Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- - Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the country - Marketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA. - Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. - Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates. - Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA. The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- - Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representatives - Business Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representatives - Colleges representatives - 3 representatives - University representatives - 3 representatives - Student representatives – 5 - Related government ministry's representatives - 3 - Multinational Corporations - 2 TORs of the Panel. To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - - Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 am - Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 am - Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 am The recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date. This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: - To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in Kenya - To develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- - Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sector - Expressed willingness to serve pro bono - Demonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector. We also welcome via email to publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report.
Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably, professionalism as a responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we plan properly we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term. BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants. Kind Regards, Waudo On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <alkags@alkags.com> said: The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- * Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the country * Marketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA. * Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. * Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates. * Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA. The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- * Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representatives * Business Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representatives * Colleges representatives - 3 representatives * University representatives - 3 representatives * Student representatives 5 * Related government ministry's representatives - 3 * Multinational Corporations - 2 TORs of the Panel. To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - * Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 am The recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date. This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: * To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in Kenya * To develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on [1]publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- * Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sector * Expressed willingness to serve pro bono * Demonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector. We also welcome via email to [2]publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report. References 1. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke 2. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).
Dear All The road to statutory recognition should be facilitated by the ICT Board with the purpose of having a recognized certification on ICT. This should in no way hamper any partnerships by other bodies to develop other certifications. ICT areas are various and many bodies will have to play different roles. I helped start a chapter in Kenya for IT Auditors and Security Professionals in 1998 (ISACA Kenya Chapter (Information Systems Audit & Control Association) with now a membership standing at over 700 fully paid with a few hundred certified professionals recognised internationally. I have seen our members getting jobs and recognization in Australia, South Africa, Europe, Middle East, US, Canada and locally. The certifications currently are:- 1) CISA - Certified Information Systems Auditor 2) CISM - Certified Information Security Manager 3) CGEIT - Certied Governance of Enterprise IT The examinations done twice a year. We have a sample curriculum for Universities which some universities have adopted. A lot of research work is done by members of the association. We have a number of useful publications. One area the association has worked on is COBIT - Control Objectives on Information Technology which is gaining recognisation worldwide. There are many areas one can benefit from the association even if you are not a member in particular if you are involved in developing a syllabus, managing an enterprise etc.. We have very useful and reach information area which can be accessed by non members and download information www.isaca.org. The Chapter organizes once a month evening talks where invited speakers talk on different subjects. At any one of the talks we get over 100 participants. A very good forum to meet many ICT proffessionals. If you have a topic you would like to share with our members you are most welcome. The talk takes one hour followed by a cocktail. We normally meet at Nairobi Safari Club from 18:00hours mostly on the second Thursday of every month. Would encourage you to visit our site for more information on ICT ( www.isaca.org) Preston Odera Membership Director ISACA Kenya Chapter & Executive Director K-Ninety East Africa Limited Tel +254 20 608316 Tel +254 20 3544352 Fax + 254 20 608318 Cell +254 722 771 478 Email; info@k90ea.com --- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: podera_2002@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 5:53 PM Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably, professionalism as a responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we plan properly we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term.BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants.Kind Regards, Waudo On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <alkags@alkags.com> said: The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the countryMarketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA.Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates.Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA. The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representativesBusiness Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representativesColleges representatives - 3 representativesUniversity representatives - 3 representativesStudent representatives – 5Related government ministry's representatives - 3 Multinational Corporations - 2 TORs of the Panel. To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 amTuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 amTuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 amThe recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date. This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in KenyaTo develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sectorExpressed willingness to serve pro bonoDemonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector.We also welcome via email to publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report. People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius). _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: podera_2002@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/podera_2002%40yahoo.com
Preston, Great rejoinder! I wouldnt have said it better. That reminds me, where is the documentation on the recently held National ICT organisations Forum convened by KICTAnet/ICTBoard at KICC? It really showed us the cocktail and overlapping panorama that litters our ICT landscape. And on that note, I am voting with Shem that they all need to be harnessed under one framework. Otherwise what you get is a total war between them instead of progress. walu. --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Preston Odera <podera_2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Preston Odera <podera_2002@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 2:21 PM Dear All
The road to statutory recognition should be facilitated by the ICT Board with the purpose of having a recognized certification on ICT. This should in no way hamper any partnerships by other bodies to develop other certifications.
ICT areas are various and many bodies will have to play different roles.
I helped start a chapter in Kenya for IT Auditors and Security Professionals in 1998 (ISACA Kenya Chapter (Information Systems Audit & Control Association) with now a membership standing at over 700 fully paid with a few hundred certified professionals recognised internationally. I have seen our members getting jobs and recognization in Australia, South Africa, Europe, Middle East, US, Canada and locally. The certifications currently are:- 1) CISA - Certified Information Systems Auditor 2) CISM - Certified Information Security Manager 3) CGEIT - Certied Governance of Enterprise IT The examinations done twice a year.
We have a sample curriculum for Universities which some universities have adopted. A lot of research work is done by members of the association. We have a number of useful publications. One area the association has worked on is COBIT - Control Objectives on Information Technology which is gaining recognisation worldwide. There are many areas one can benefit from the association even if you are not a member in particular if you are involved in developing a syllabus, managing an enterprise etc.. We have very useful and reach information area which can be accessed by non members and download information www.isaca.org.
The Chapter organizes once a month evening talks where invited speakers talk on different subjects. At any one of the talks we get over 100 participants. A very good forum to meet many ICT proffessionals. If you have a topic you would like to share with our members you are most welcome. The talk takes one hour followed by a cocktail. We normally meet at Nairobi Safari Club from 18:00hours mostly on the second Thursday of every month.
Would encourage you to visit our site for more information on ICT ( www.isaca.org)
Preston Odera Membership Director ISACA Kenya Chapter & Executive Director K-Ninety East Africa Limited Tel +254 20 608316 Tel +254 20 3544352 Fax + 254 20 608318 Cell +254 722 771 478 Email; info@k90ea.com
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: podera_2002@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 5:53 PM
Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably, professionalism as a responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we plan properly we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term.BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants.Kind Regards, Waudo On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <alkags@alkags.com> said: The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the countryMarketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA.Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates.Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA. The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representativesBusiness Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representativesColleges representatives - 3 representativesUniversity representatives - 3 representativesStudent representatives – 5Related government ministry's representatives - 3 Multinational Corporations - 2 TORs of the Panel.
To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 amTuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 amTuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 amThe recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date.
This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in KenyaTo develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sectorExpressed willingness to serve pro bonoDemonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector.We also welcome via email to publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report.
People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).
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At the risk of getting shot ... Instead of all this laws, acts etc .... Why don’t you just create a system/website whereby all practitioners are listed and at the end of a project, the client can rate the practitioner, the practitioner can rate the client and we build publicity around such an initiative ... some features you can throw in include escrow services, dispute resolution …I may be wrong, but to me, all these acts are trying to bring quality (and maybe standards) into the sector ... but in many implementations, there is no way one client can know that a practitioner is a quack or does not have domain experience … Here is a good example … www.guru.com // every now and then, I get work techie work from Guru …… if you look at my guru page, you can decide easy whether to hire me or not … its makes life easy for me, I pay around 400$ every year and have gotten work from there …If Kenya Airways could log onto a site and review previous feedback ... it would greatly reduce their risk ... I have attached a page from guru showing what my previous clients think about work I have done for them ... worst comments first. ........Previous work done is a much better indicator of capability than certifications, licenses, degrees I like Joel Spolskys work on certifications, degrees and licenses ... especially PhDs ... http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000073.html "People who are Smart but don't Get Things Done often have PhDs and work in big companies where nobody listens to them because they are completely impractical. They would rather mull over something academic about a problem rather than ship on time. These kind of people can be identified because they love to point out the theoretical similarity between two widely divergent concepts. For example, they will say "Spreadsheets are really just a special case of programming language" and then go off for a week and write a thrilling, brilliant white paper about the theoretical computational linguistic attributes of a spreadsheet as a programming language. Smart, but not useful." Ps: I quoted verbatim ... and now I brace myself :) Liko Agosta, CEO Verviant Consulting Services. www.verviant.com Phone : 1-919-341-1820 Fax : 1-978-268-8403 Toll Free: 1-866-551-4935 Pager: 9193891551@txt.att.net -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+likoa=verviant.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+likoa=verviant.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of John Walubengo Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:34 AM To: Liko Agosta Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification Preston, Great rejoinder! I wouldnt have said it better. That reminds me, where is the documentation on the recently held National ICT organisations Forum convened by KICTAnet/ICTBoard at KICC? It really showed us the cocktail and overlapping panorama that litters our ICT landscape. And on that note, I am voting with Shem that they all need to be harnessed under one framework. Otherwise what you get is a total war between them instead of progress. walu. --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Preston Odera <podera_2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Preston Odera <podera_2002@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 2:21 PM Dear All
The road to statutory recognition should be facilitated by the ICT Board with the purpose of having a recognized certification on ICT. This should in no way hamper any partnerships by other bodies to develop other certifications.
ICT areas are various and many bodies will have to play different roles.
I helped start a chapter in Kenya for IT Auditors and Security Professionals in 1998 (ISACA Kenya Chapter (Information Systems Audit & Control Association) with now a membership standing at over 700 fully paid with a few hundred certified professionals recognised internationally. I have seen our members getting jobs and recognization in Australia, South Africa, Europe, Middle East, US, Canada and locally. The certifications currently are:- 1) CISA - Certified Information Systems Auditor 2) CISM - Certified Information Security Manager 3) CGEIT - Certied Governance of Enterprise IT
The examinations done twice a year.
We have a sample curriculum for Universities which some universities have adopted. A lot of research work is done by members of the association. We have a number of useful publications. One area the association has worked on is COBIT - Control Objectives on Information Technology which is gaining recognisation worldwide. There are many areas one can benefit from the association even if you are not a member in particular if you are involved in developing a syllabus, managing an enterprise etc.. We have very useful and reach information area which can be accessed by non members and download information www.isaca.org.
The Chapter organizes once a month evening talks where invited speakers talk on different subjects. At any one of the talks we get over 100 participants. A very good forum to meet many ICT proffessionals. If you have a topic you would like to share with our members you are most welcome. The talk takes one hour followed by a cocktail. We normally meet at Nairobi Safari Club from 18:00hours mostly on the second Thursday of every month.
Would encourage you to visit our site for more information on ICT ( www.isaca.org)
Preston Odera Membership Director ISACA Kenya Chapter & Executive Director K-Ninety East Africa Limited Tel +254 20 608316 Tel +254 20 3544352 Fax + 254 20 608318 Cell +254 722 771 478 Email; info@k90ea.com
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: podera_2002@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 5:53 PM
Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably, professionalism as a responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we plan properly we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term.BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants.Kind Regards, Waudo On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <alkags@alkags.com> said: The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the countryMarketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA.Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates.Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA. The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representativesBusiness Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representativesColleges representatives - 3 representativesUniversity representatives - 3 representativesStudent representatives – 5Related government ministry's representatives - 3 Multinational Corporations - 2 TORs of the Panel.
To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 amTuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 amTuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 amThe recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date.
This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in KenyaTo develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sectorExpressed willingness to serve pro bonoDemonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector.We also welcome via email to publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report.
People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).
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Your idea may sound practical to you but why should anyone follow it? Something which cannot be enforced cannot be what we are aimimg at. Waudo On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:01:45 -0400, "Liko Agosta" <likoa@verviant.com> said:
At the risk of getting shot ...
Instead of all this laws, acts etc ....
Why don’t you just create a system/website whereby all practitioners are listed and at the end of a project, the client can rate the practitioner, the practitioner can rate the client and we build publicity around such an initiative ... some features you can throw in include escrow services, dispute resolution …I may be wrong, but to me, all these acts are trying to bring quality (and maybe standards) into the sector ... but in many implementations, there is no way one client can know that a practitioner is a quack or does not have domain experience …
Here is a good example … www.guru.com // every now and then, I get work techie work from Guru …… if you look at my guru page, you can decide easy whether to hire me or not … its makes life easy for me, I pay around 400$ every year and have gotten work from there …If Kenya Airways could log onto a site and review previous feedback ... it would greatly reduce their risk ...
I have attached a page from guru showing what my previous clients think about work I have done for them ... worst comments first.
........Previous work done is a much better indicator of capability than certifications, licenses, degrees
I like Joel Spolskys work on certifications, degrees and licenses ... especially PhDs ... http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000073.html
"People who are Smart but don't Get Things Done often have PhDs and work in big companies where nobody listens to them because they are completely impractical. They would rather mull over something academic about a problem rather than ship on time. These kind of people can be identified because they love to point out the theoretical similarity between two widely divergent concepts. For example, they will say "Spreadsheets are really just a special case of programming language" and then go off for a week and write a thrilling, brilliant white paper about the theoretical computational linguistic attributes of a spreadsheet as a programming language. Smart, but not useful."
Ps: I quoted verbatim ... and now I brace myself :)
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Preston,
Great rejoinder! I wouldnt have said it better.
That reminds me, where is the documentation on the recently held National ICT organisations Forum convened by KICTAnet/ICTBoard at KICC? It really showed us the cocktail and overlapping panorama that litters our ICT landscape.
And on that note, I am voting with Shem that they all need to be harnessed under one framework. Otherwise what you get is a total war between them instead of progress.
walu. --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Preston Odera <podera_2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Preston Odera <podera_2002@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 2:21 PM Dear All
The road to statutory recognition should be facilitated by the ICT Board with the purpose of having a recognized certification on ICT. This should in no way hamper any partnerships by other bodies to develop other certifications.
ICT areas are various and many bodies will have to play different roles.
I helped start a chapter in Kenya for IT Auditors and Security Professionals in 1998 (ISACA Kenya Chapter (Information Systems Audit & Control Association) with now a membership standing at over 700 fully paid with a few hundred certified professionals recognised internationally. I have seen our members getting jobs and recognization in Australia, South Africa, Europe, Middle East, US, Canada and locally. The certifications currently are:- 1) CISA - Certified Information Systems Auditor 2) CISM - Certified Information Security Manager 3) CGEIT - Certied Governance of Enterprise IT
The examinations done twice a year.
We have a sample curriculum for Universities which some universities have adopted. A lot of research work is done by members of the association. We have a number of useful publications. One area the association has worked on is COBIT - Control Objectives on Information Technology which is gaining recognisation worldwide. There are many areas one can benefit from the association even if you are not a member in particular if you are involved in developing a syllabus, managing an enterprise etc.. We have very useful and reach information area which can be accessed by non members and download information www.isaca.org.
The Chapter organizes once a month evening talks where invited speakers talk on different subjects. At any one of the talks we get over 100 participants. A very good forum to meet many ICT proffessionals. If you have a topic you would like to share with our members you are most welcome. The talk takes one hour followed by a cocktail. We normally meet at Nairobi Safari Club from 18:00hours mostly on the second Thursday of every month.
Would encourage you to visit our site for more information on ICT ( www.isaca.org)
Preston Odera Membership Director ISACA Kenya Chapter & Executive Director K-Ninety East Africa Limited Tel +254 20 608316 Tel +254 20 3544352 Fax + 254 20 608318 Cell +254 722 771 478 Email; info@k90ea.com
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: podera_2002@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 5:53 PM
Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably, professionalism as a responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we plan properly we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term.BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants.Kind Regards, Waudo On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <alkags@alkags.com> said: The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the countryMarketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA.Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates.Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA. The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representativesBusiness Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representativesColleges representatives - 3 representativesUniversity representatives - 3 representativesStudent representatives – 5Related government ministry's representatives - 3 Multinational Corporations - 2 TORs of the Panel.
To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 amTuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 amTuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 amThe recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date.
This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in KenyaTo develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sectorExpressed willingness to serve pro bonoDemonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector.We also welcome via email to publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report.
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At the risk of getting shot ...
Instead of all this laws, acts etc ....
Why don’t you just create a system/website whereby all practitioners are listed and at the end of a project, the client can rate the practitioner, the practitioner can rate the client and we build publicity around such an initiative ... some features you can throw in include escrow services, dispute resolution …I may be wrong, but to me, all these acts are
to bring quality (and maybe standards) into the sector ... but in many implementations, there is no way one client can know that a practitioner is a quack or does not have domain experience …
Here is a good example … www.guru.com // every now and then, I get work techie work from Guru …… if you look at my guru page, you can decide easy whether to hire me or not … its makes life easy for me, I pay around 400$ every year and have gotten work from there …If Kenya Airways could log onto a site and review previous feedback ... it would greatly reduce their risk ...
I have attached a page from guru showing what my previous clients think about work I have done for them ... worst comments first.
........Previous work done is a much better indicator of capability than certifications, licenses, degrees
I like Joel Spolskys work on certifications, degrees and licenses ... especially PhDs ... http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000073.html
"People who are Smart but don't Get Things Done often have PhDs and work in big companies where nobody listens to them because they are completely impractical. They would rather mull over something academic about a problem rather than ship on time. These kind of people can be identified because they love to point out the theoretical similarity between two widely divergent concepts. For example, they will say "Spreadsheets are really just a special case of programming language" and then go off for a week and write a thrilling, brilliant white paper about the theoretical computational linguistic attributes of a spreadsheet as a programming language. Smart, but not useful."
Ps: I quoted verbatim ... and now I brace myself :)
Liko Agosta, CEO Verviant Consulting Services.
www.verviant.com
Phone : 1-919-341-1820 Fax : 1-978-268-8403
Toll Free: 1-866-551-4935
Pager: 9193891551@txt.att.net
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+likoa=verviant.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+likoa=verviant.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of John Walubengo Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:34 AM To: Liko Agosta Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
Preston,
Great rejoinder! I wouldnt have said it better.
That reminds me, where is the documentation on the recently held National ICT organisations Forum convened by KICTAnet/ICTBoard at KICC? It really showed us the cocktail and overlapping panorama that litters our ICT landscape.
And on that note, I am voting with Shem that they all need to be harnessed under one framework. Otherwise what you get is a total war between them instead of progress.
walu. --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Preston Odera <podera_2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Preston Odera <podera_2002@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of
Waudo About - Why should anyone follow it a. (companies/government) will be able to "truly" review potential vendors (if I hire a java provider from there then he does not deliver, other potential employers will know) b. (vendors) will be able to offer their services on a level playing field c. (companies/government) will have an easier time procuring services d. about value adds like escrow - vendors will not have to wait for 6 months to be paid for work done e. about value adds like dispute resolution / arbitration - quick and affordable resolution of legal issues ... no one waits in court for 10 year ... other things ... a. instead of an organization spending 300,000 to post a tender in the papers, they could list it on such a system for .... free (how much money does government spend on newspaper tenders each year ?) b. instead of verviant as a provider depositing 5 million to be considered for a software project, I would pay 100k per year to be on such a system and benefit from escrow services about - Something which cannot be enforced cannot be what we are aiming at other such marketplaces .... guru.com, elance.com, odesk.com, rentacoder.com, ebay.com What do you think so far ... is there any sense in my suggestion ? Liko Agosta, CEO Verviant Consulting Services. www.verviant.com Phone : 1-919-341-1820 Fax : 1-978-268-8403 Toll Free: 1-866-551-4935 Pager: 9193891551@txt.att.net -----Original Message----- From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:29 AM To: Liko Agosta Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification Your idea may sound practical to you but why should anyone follow it? Something which cannot be enforced cannot be what we are aimimg at. Waudo On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:01:45 -0400, "Liko Agosta" <likoa@verviant.com> said: trying the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 2:21 PM Dear All
The road to statutory recognition should be facilitated by the ICT Board with the purpose of having a recognized certification on ICT. This should in no way hamper any partnerships by other bodies to develop other certifications.
ICT areas are various and many bodies will have to play different roles.
I helped start a chapter in Kenya for IT Auditors and Security Professionals in 1998 (ISACA Kenya Chapter (Information Systems Audit & Control Association) with now a membership standing at over 700 fully paid with a few hundred certified professionals recognised internationally. I have seen our members getting jobs and recognization in Australia, South Africa, Europe, Middle East, US, Canada and locally. The certifications currently are:- 1) CISA - Certified Information Systems Auditor 2) CISM - Certified Information Security Manager 3) CGEIT - Certied Governance of Enterprise IT
The examinations done twice a year.
We have a sample curriculum for Universities which some universities have adopted. A lot of research work is done by members of the association. We have a number of useful publications. One area the association has worked on is COBIT - Control Objectives on Information Technology which is gaining recognisation worldwide. There are many areas one can benefit from the association even if you are not a member in particular if you are involved in developing a syllabus, managing an enterprise etc.. We have very useful and reach information area which can be accessed by non members and download information www.isaca.org.
The Chapter organizes once a month evening talks where invited speakers talk on different subjects. At any one of the talks we get over 100 participants. A very good forum to meet many ICT proffessionals. If you have a topic you would like to share with our members you are most welcome. The talk takes one hour followed by a cocktail. We normally meet at Nairobi Safari Club from 18:00hours mostly on the second Thursday of every month.
Would encourage you to visit our site for more information on ICT ( www.isaca.org)
Preston Odera Membership Director ISACA Kenya Chapter & Executive Director K-Ninety East Africa Limited Tel +254 20 608316 Tel +254 20 3544352 Fax + 254 20 608318 Cell +254 722 771 478 Email; info@k90ea.com
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: podera_2002@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 5:53 PM
Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably, professionalism as a responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we plan properly we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term.BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants.Kind Regards, Waudo On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <alkags@alkags.com> said: The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the countryMarketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA.Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates.Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA. The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representativesBusiness Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representativesColleges representatives - 3 representativesUniversity representatives - 3 representativesStudent representatives – 5Related government ministry's representatives - 3 Multinational Corporations - 2 TORs of the Panel.
To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 amTuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 amTuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 amThe recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date.
This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in KenyaTo develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sectorExpressed willingness to serve pro bonoDemonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector.We also welcome via email to publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report.
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Waudo, I beg to differ (disclosure: probably because I sit on the KASNEB ICT Syllabus Board) on two accounts. 1. That the KASNEB ICT syllabus is for Accountants and 2. That KICT Board should have nothing to do with KASNEB. Count 1: Syllabi for Accountants? The KASNEB ICT syllabus is aimed to create mid-level, technical personnel in the ICT sector. Any doubting expert can visit http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm to see the course outline which incidentally you (Waudo and I) contributed to in 2005. In addition, this syallabus is already under review by another Task force to make it more relevant (tell me which university/college here in Kenya reviews their syllabus in such turn-around record times?) Count 2: ICT board has/should have nothing to do with KASNEB? I think ICT board has an interest in the ICT technical capacity in this country. It would be futile to market Kenya as an ICT destination, when one knows the gaps or inadequacy we have particularly at the levels that our Polytechnics (now all rushing to be universities) used to address. Finally, KASNEB has an Accounting background but is moving into providing their Examination Expertise into other areas (ICT, Actural Science, etc) and you are right:-They have a legal mandate and parliamentary basis for this. Something the Computer Soceity of Kenya, ITSA and other ICT professional bodies have sought to no avail. Probably Waudo, could your worry be that KASNEB maybe introducing 'unnecessary' competition in that space? walu. --- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:53 PM Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably, professionalism as a responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we plan properly we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term.
BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <alkags@alkags.com> said:
The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- * Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the country * Marketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA. * Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. * Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates. * Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA.
The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- * Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representatives * Business Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representatives * Colleges representatives - 3 representatives * University representatives - 3 representatives * Student representatives – 5 * Related government ministry's representatives - 3 * Multinational Corporations - 2
TORs of the Panel. To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - * Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 am
The recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date. This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: * To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in Kenya * To develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya
TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on [1]publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- * Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sector * Expressed willingness to serve pro bono * Demonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector.
We also welcome via email to [2]publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report.
References
1. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke 2. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).
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I am just wondering how much "Work" it would take to formulate a legislative instrument to regualte ICT qualifications and profession. I notice most of the other instruments appear similar except for a few changes here and there. I have taken one and put a few changes to create an "ICT Practioners Management Act" - www.cskonline.org/downloads/Proposed_ICT_Practioners_Act.pdf Waudo On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:56:20 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
Waudo,
I beg to differ (disclosure: probably because I sit on the KASNEB ICT Syllabus Board) on two accounts.
1. That the KASNEB ICT syllabus is for Accountants and 2. That KICT Board should have nothing to do with KASNEB.
Count 1: Syllabi for Accountants? The KASNEB ICT syllabus is aimed to create mid-level, technical personnel in the ICT sector. Any doubting expert can visit http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm to see the course outline which incidentally you (Waudo and I) contributed to in 2005. In addition, this syallabus is already under review by another Task force to make it more relevant (tell me which university/college here in Kenya reviews their syllabus in such turn-around record times?)
Count 2: ICT board has/should have nothing to do with KASNEB? I think ICT board has an interest in the ICT technical capacity in this country. It would be futile to market Kenya as an ICT destination, when one knows the gaps or inadequacy we have particularly at the levels that our Polytechnics (now all rushing to be universities) used to address.
Finally, KASNEB has an Accounting background but is moving into providing their Examination Expertise into other areas (ICT, Actural Science, etc) and you are right:-They have a legal mandate and parliamentary basis for this. Something the Computer Soceity of Kenya, ITSA and other ICT professional bodies have sought to no avail.
Probably Waudo, could your worry be that KASNEB maybe introducing 'unnecessary' competition in that space?
walu.
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:53 PM Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably, professionalism as a responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we plan properly we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term.
BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <alkags@alkags.com> said:
The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- * Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the country * Marketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA. * Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. * Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates. * Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA.
The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- * Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representatives * Business Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representatives * Colleges representatives - 3 representatives * University representatives - 3 representatives * Student representatives – 5 * Related government ministry's representatives - 3 * Multinational Corporations - 2
TORs of the Panel. To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - * Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 am
The recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date. This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: * To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in Kenya * To develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya
TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on [1]publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- * Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sector * Expressed willingness to serve pro bono * Demonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector.
We also welcome via email to [2]publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report.
References
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Quite remarkable efforts, Waudo. The work sets up an appropriate pedestal for further contributions that will enable academicians, regulators, managers, employers et.al, to better appreciate the ICT professional paradigms. The draft forms a critical first step towards our dream of defining the ICT profession in Kenya. It's a sacred endeavor which should be entirely isolated from all traces of the emerging Kenyan version of "ICT politics" (Exclusion and sabotage of perceived critics). If we collaboratively manage to generate an amicable framework that will yield a streamlined and mainstreamed professional sector, we will have made a solid foundation for the future growth of our ICT industry. May the ICT Practitioners Management Act live to see the light of day! Kamotho Njenga On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:57 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
I am just wondering how much "Work" it would take to formulate a legislative instrument to regualte ICT qualifications and profession. I notice most of the other instruments appear similar except for a few changes here and there. I have taken one and put a few changes to create an "ICT Practioners Management Act" - www.cskonline.org/downloads/Proposed_ICT_Practioners_Act.pdf
Waudo
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:56:20 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
Waudo,
I beg to differ (disclosure: probably because I sit on the KASNEB ICT Syllabus Board) on two accounts.
1. That the KASNEB ICT syllabus is for Accountants and 2. That KICT Board should have nothing to do with KASNEB.
Count 1: Syllabi for Accountants? The KASNEB ICT syllabus is aimed to create mid-level, technical personnel in the ICT sector. Any doubting expert can visit http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm to see the course outline which incidentally you (Waudo and I) contributed to in 2005. In addition, this syallabus is already under review by another Task force to make it more relevant (tell me which university/college here in Kenya reviews their syllabus in such turn-around record times?)
Count 2: ICT board has/should have nothing to do with KASNEB? I think ICT board has an interest in the ICT technical capacity in this country. It would be futile to market Kenya as an ICT destination, when one knows the gaps or inadequacy we have particularly at the levels that our Polytechnics (now all rushing to be universities) used to address.
Finally, KASNEB has an Accounting background but is moving into providing their Examination Expertise into other areas (ICT, Actural Science, etc) and you are right:-They have a legal mandate and parliamentary basis for this. Something the Computer Soceity of Kenya, ITSA and other ICT professional bodies have sought to no avail.
Probably Waudo, could your worry be that KASNEB maybe introducing 'unnecessary' competition in that space?
walu.
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:53 PM Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably, professionalism as a responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we plan properly we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term.
BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <alkags@alkags.com> said:
The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- * Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the country * Marketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA. * Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. * Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates. * Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA.
The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- * Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representatives * Business Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representatives * Colleges representatives - 3 representatives * University representatives - 3 representatives * Student representatives – 5 * Related government ministry's representatives - 3 * Multinational Corporations - 2
TORs of the Panel. To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - * Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 am
The recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date. This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: * To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in Kenya * To develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya
TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on [1]publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- * Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sector * Expressed willingness to serve pro bono * Demonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector.
We also welcome via email to [2]publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report.
References
1. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke 2. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).
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Dr. Waudo, quite some thinking put in this document I must admit. But just a few questions if I may. 1. It looks like if I am not registered with the said ICT practitioners Institute, then i cannot provide ICT services. More like the LSKs, Medical and Engineers bodies. Would this kill or stimulate ICT innovation? 2. There's a whole section creating an ICT Examination Board, along the lines of KASNEB. Isnt this replicating national resources? Why not leverage or outsource that role to KASNEB (forget it's otherwise Accounting origin and focus on its established, rigorous and proven Examination track record.) walu. --- On Fri, 9/12/08, kamotho Njenga <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> wrote:
From: kamotho Njenga <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT Practioners Act To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:02 PM Quite remarkable efforts, Waudo. The work sets up an appropriate pedestal for further contributions that will enable academicians, regulators, managers, employers et.al, to better appreciate the ICT professional paradigms.
The draft forms a critical first step towards our dream of defining the ICT profession in Kenya. It's a sacred endeavor which should be entirely isolated from all traces of the emerging Kenyan version of "ICT politics" (Exclusion and sabotage of perceived critics).
If we collaboratively manage to generate an amicable framework that will yield a streamlined and mainstreamed professional sector, we will have made a solid foundation for the future growth of our ICT industry.
May the ICT Practitioners Management Act live to see the light of day!
Kamotho Njenga
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:57 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
I am just wondering how much "Work" it would take to formulate a legislative instrument to regualte ICT qualifications and profession. I notice most of the other instruments appear similar except for a few changes here and there. I have taken one and put a few changes to create an "ICT Practioners Management Act" -
www.cskonline.org/downloads/Proposed_ICT_Practioners_Act.pdf
Waudo
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:56:20 -0700 (PDT), "John
<jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
Waudo,
I beg to differ (disclosure: probably because I sit on the KASNEB ICT Syllabus Board) on two accounts.
1. That the KASNEB ICT syllabus is for Accountants and 2. That KICT Board should have nothing to do with KASNEB.
Count 1: Syllabi for Accountants? The KASNEB ICT syllabus is aimed to create mid-level, technical personnel in the ICT sector. Any doubting expert can visit http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm to see the course outline which incidentally you (Waudo and I) contributed to in
syallabus is already under review by another Task force to make it more relevant (tell me which university/college here in Kenya reviews their syllabus in such turn-around record times?)
Count 2: ICT board has/should have nothing to do with KASNEB? I think ICT board has an interest in the ICT technical capacity in this country. It would be futile to market Kenya as an ICT destination, when one knows the gaps or inadequacy we have
our Polytechnics (now all rushing to be universities) used to address.
Finally, KASNEB has an Accounting background but is moving into providing their Examination Expertise into other areas (ICT, Actural Science, etc) and you are right:-They have a legal mandate and
this. Something the Computer Soceity of Kenya, ITSA and other ICT professional bodies have sought to no avail.
Probably Waudo, could your worry be that KASNEB maybe introducing 'unnecessary' competition in that space?
walu.
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:53 PM Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably,
responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we
we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term.
BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <alkags@alkags.com> said:
The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- * Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the country * Marketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA. * Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. * Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and
certification body for ICT graduates. * Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA.
The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector
industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- * Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representatives * Business Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representatives * Colleges representatives - 3 representatives * University representatives - 3 representatives * Student representatives – 5 * Related government ministry's representatives - 3 * Multinational Corporations - 2
TORs of the Panel. To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - * Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 am
The recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date. This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: * To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in Kenya * To develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya
TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on [1]publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in
While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- * Demonstrated experience and knowledge in
* Expressed willingness to serve pro bono * Demonstrated general understanding of
Walubengo" 2005. In addition, this particularly at the levels that parliamentary basis for professionalism as a plan properly that is managed the players in the the Panel. the sub-sector the educational
offering in the sector.
We also welcome via email to
[2]publicpanels@ict.go.ke
written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report.
References
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Hi Walu, First I think that when you are talking about KASNEB you should issue a caveat regarding your conflict of interest. You are making some coins marking their exams and it is natural you would wish to protect that. Another question, can the accountants agree for ICT Professionals to start offering accounting professional exams? I think there would be a riot. If I follow your duplication argument then we should do away with the Kenya School of Law and throw that to KASNEB as well. As for killing innovation, maybe you can give me some examples of innovation that has been killed by the existence of LSK, Medical and Engineering bodies. In general, I am completely perplexed why you appear so keen to shoot down the ICT Professionalism efforts???? Waudo At IFIP Meeting in Milan, Discussing ICT Professionalism (visit http://www.ipthree.org/) On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:13:09 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
Dr. Waudo, quite some thinking put in this document I must admit. But just a few questions if I may.
1. It looks like if I am not registered with the said ICT practitioners Institute, then i cannot provide ICT services. More like the LSKs, Medical and Engineers bodies. Would this kill or stimulate ICT innovation?
2. There's a whole section creating an ICT Examination Board, along the lines of KASNEB. Isnt this replicating national resources? Why not leverage or outsource that role to KASNEB (forget it's otherwise Accounting origin and focus on its established, rigorous and proven Examination track record.)
walu.
--- On Fri, 9/12/08, kamotho Njenga <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> wrote:
From: kamotho Njenga <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT Practioners Act To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:02 PM Quite remarkable efforts, Waudo. The work sets up an appropriate pedestal for further contributions that will enable academicians, regulators, managers, employers et.al, to better appreciate the ICT professional paradigms.
The draft forms a critical first step towards our dream of defining the ICT profession in Kenya. It's a sacred endeavor which should be entirely isolated from all traces of the emerging Kenyan version of "ICT politics" (Exclusion and sabotage of perceived critics).
If we collaboratively manage to generate an amicable framework that will yield a streamlined and mainstreamed professional sector, we will have made a solid foundation for the future growth of our ICT industry.
May the ICT Practitioners Management Act live to see the light of day!
Kamotho Njenga
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:57 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
I am just wondering how much "Work" it would take to formulate a legislative instrument to regualte ICT qualifications and profession. I notice most of the other instruments appear similar except for a few changes here and there. I have taken one and put a few changes to create an "ICT Practioners Management Act" -
www.cskonline.org/downloads/Proposed_ICT_Practioners_Act.pdf
Waudo
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:56:20 -0700 (PDT), "John
<jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
Waudo,
I beg to differ (disclosure: probably because I sit on the KASNEB ICT Syllabus Board) on two accounts.
1. That the KASNEB ICT syllabus is for Accountants and 2. That KICT Board should have nothing to do with KASNEB.
Count 1: Syllabi for Accountants? The KASNEB ICT syllabus is aimed to create mid-level, technical personnel in the ICT sector. Any doubting expert can visit http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm to see the course outline which incidentally you (Waudo and I) contributed to in
syallabus is already under review by another Task force to make it more relevant (tell me which university/college here in Kenya reviews their syllabus in such turn-around record times?)
Count 2: ICT board has/should have nothing to do with KASNEB? I think ICT board has an interest in the ICT technical capacity in this country. It would be futile to market Kenya as an ICT destination, when one knows the gaps or inadequacy we have
our Polytechnics (now all rushing to be universities) used to address.
Finally, KASNEB has an Accounting background but is moving into providing their Examination Expertise into other areas (ICT, Actural Science, etc) and you are right:-They have a legal mandate and
this. Something the Computer Soceity of Kenya, ITSA and other ICT professional bodies have sought to no avail.
Probably Waudo, could your worry be that KASNEB maybe introducing 'unnecessary' competition in that space?
walu.
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:53 PM Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably,
responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we
we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term.
BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <alkags@alkags.com> said:
The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification
by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- * Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the country * Marketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA. * Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. * Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and
certification body for ICT graduates. * Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA.
The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector
industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- * Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representatives * Business Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representatives * Colleges representatives - 3 representatives * University representatives - 3 representatives * Student representatives – 5 * Related government ministry's representatives - 3 * Multinational Corporations - 2
TORs of the Panel. To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - * Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 am
The recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date. This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: * To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in Kenya * To develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya
TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on [1]publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in
While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- * Demonstrated experience and knowledge in
* Expressed willingness to serve pro bono * Demonstrated general understanding of
Walubengo" 2005. In addition, this particularly at the levels that parliamentary basis for professionalism as a plan properly that is managed the players in the the Panel. the sub-sector the educational
offering in the sector.
We also welcome via email to
[2]publicpanels@ict.go.ke
written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report.
References
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Relax Waudo and enjoy the beauty of Milan,
As for the caveat, I had already declared earlier that I sit on the KASNEB board (and several others) but did not wish to belabor the point lest I am also accused of increasing un-employment in Kenya ;-)
But however, plse take my questions in good faith since I was just trying to look at the big picture in terms of cordinating ICT initiatives. Infact, it may lead to the government asking KASNEB to retire or forward their ICT Examination program to the future ICT Institution!
As for killing innovation, i was of the view that unlike other professionss, Lawyers, Accountants, Doctors, etc. ICT innovations seems to spring out of chaps that have no professional licensing restrictions - eBay, FaceBook, Microsoft, Google just to mention afew.
You can imagine if the US government brought down Microsoft and Facebook because their creators were unlicensed Harvard dropouts with no power to practice.
walu -
Professionally Certified
CCNA(2001), CISA (2005), SuSE Linux (2003) and awaiting Waudo's Certifications ;-).
--- On Sat, 9/13/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
> From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT Practioners Act
> To: "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com>
> Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 11:31 AM
> Hi Walu,
> First I think that when you are talking about KASNEB you
> should issue a
> caveat regarding your conflict of interest. You are making
> some coins
> marking their exams and it is natural you would wish to
> protect that.
> Another question, can the accountants agree for ICT
> Professionals to
> start offering accounting professional exams? I think there
> would be a
> riot. If I follow your duplication argument then we should
> do away with
> the Kenya School of Law and throw that to KASNEB as well.
>
> As for killing innovation, maybe you can give me some
> examples of
> innovation that has been killed by the existence of LSK,
> Medical and
> Engineering bodies.
>
> In general, I am completely perplexed why you appear so
> keen to shoot
> down the ICT Professionalism efforts????
>
> Waudo
> At IFIP Meeting in Milan,
> Discussing ICT Professionalism (visit
> http://www.ipthree.org/)
>
>
>
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:13:09 -0700 (PDT), "John
> Walubengo"
> <jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
> > Dr. Waudo, quite some thinking put in this document I
> must admit. But
> > just a few questions if I may.
> >
> > 1. It looks like if I am not registered with the said
> ICT practitioners
> > Institute, then i cannot provide ICT services. More
> like the LSKs,
> > Medical and Engineers bodies. Would this kill or
> stimulate ICT
> > innovation?
> >
> > 2. There's a whole section creating an ICT
> Examination Board, along the
> > lines of KASNEB. Isnt this replicating national
> resources? Why not
> > leverage or outsource that role to KASNEB (forget
> it's otherwise
> > Accounting origin and focus on its established,
> rigorous and proven
> > Examination track record.)
> >
> > walu.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, kamotho Njenga
> <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: kamotho Njenga
> <kamothonjenga@gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT
> Practioners Act
> > > To: jwalu@yahoo.com
> > > Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy
> Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:02 PM
> > > Quite remarkable efforts, Waudo. The work sets
> up an
> > > appropriate pedestal
> > > for further contributions that will enable
> academicians,
> > > regulators,
> > > managers, employers et.al, to better appreciate
> the ICT
> > > professional
> > > paradigms.
> > >
> > > The draft forms a critical first step towards our
> dream of
> > > defining the ICT
> > > profession in Kenya. It's a sacred endeavor
> which
> > > should be entirely
> > > isolated from all traces of the emerging Kenyan
> version of
> > > "ICT politics"
> > > (Exclusion and sabotage of perceived critics).
> > >
> > > If we collaboratively manage to generate an
> amicable
> > > framework that will
> > > yield a streamlined and mainstreamed professional
> sector,
> > > we will have made
> > > a solid foundation for the future growth of our
> ICT
> > > industry.
> > >
> > > May the ICT Practitioners Management Act live to
> see the
> > > light of day!
> > >
> > > Kamotho Njenga
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:57 PM, waudo siganga
> > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am just wondering how much
> "Work" it would
> > > take to formulate a
> > > > legislative instrument to regualte ICT
> qualifications
> > > and profession. I
> > > > notice most of the other instruments appear
> similar
> > > except for a few
> > > > changes here and there. I have taken one and
> put a few
> > > changes to create
> > > > an "ICT Practioners Management
> Act" -
> > > >
> > >
> www.cskonline.org/downloads/Proposed_ICT_Practioners_Act.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Waudo
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
> "John
> > > Walubengo"
> > > > <jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
> > > > > Waudo,
> > > > >
> > > > > I beg to differ (disclosure: probably
> because I
> > > sit on the KASNEB ICT
> > > > > Syllabus Board) on two accounts.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. That the KASNEB ICT syllabus is for
> > > Accountants and
> > > > > 2. That KICT Board should have nothing
> to do with
> > > KASNEB.
> > > > >
> > > > > Count 1: Syllabi for Accountants?
> > > > > The KASNEB ICT syllabus is aimed to
> create
> > > mid-level, technical personnel
> > > > > in the ICT sector. Any doubting expert
> can visit
> > > > > http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm to see
> the
> > > course outline which
> > > > > incidentally you (Waudo and I)
> contributed to in
> > > 2005. In addition, this
> > > > > syallabus is already under review by
> another Task
> > > force to make it more
> > > > > relevant (tell me which
> university/college here
> > > in Kenya reviews their
> > > > > syllabus in such turn-around record
> times?)
> > > > >
> > > > > Count 2: ICT board has/should have
> nothing to do
> > > with KASNEB?
> > > > > I think ICT board has an interest in
> the ICT
> > > technical capacity in this
> > > > > country. It would be futile to market
> Kenya as
> > > an ICT destination, when
> > > > > one knows the gaps or inadequacy we
> have
> > > particularly at the levels that
> > > > > our Polytechnics (now all rushing to be
> > > universities) used to address.
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally, KASNEB has an Accounting
> background but
> > > is moving into providing
> > > > > their Examination Expertise into other
> areas
> > > (ICT, Actural Science, etc)
> > > > > and you are right:-They have a legal
> mandate and
> > > parliamentary basis for
> > > > > this. Something the Computer Soceity of
> Kenya,
> > > ITSA and other ICT
> > > > > professional bodies have sought to no
> avail.
> > > > >
> > > > > Probably Waudo, could your worry be
> that KASNEB
> > > maybe introducing
> > > > > 'unnecessary' competition in
> that space?
> > > > >
> > > > > walu.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga
> > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: waudo siganga
> > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review,
> identify
> > > gaps and enhance the quality
> > > > of the Certificate of ICT (CICT)
> qualification
> > > > > > To: jwalu@yahoo.com
> > > > > > Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke,
> "KICTAnet ICT
> > > Policy Discussions" <
> > > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > > > > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008,
> 6:53 PM
> > > > > > Why is partnering with KASNEB a
> > > "Strategic
> > > > > > Objective' of the ICT
> > > > > > Board? Does it mean that the Board
> sees the
> > > running of ICT
> > > > > > examinations and, presumably,
> > > professionalism as a
> > > > > > responsibility
> > > > > > of accountants? To me the
> strategic
> > > objective should be to
> > > > > > ensure
> > > > > > ICT education and professionalism
> are
> > > established under
> > > > > > statutory
> > > > > > recognition in their own right.
> The only
> > > advantage
> > > > > > accountants
> > > > > > have is the statutory recognition
> and if we
> > > plan properly
> > > > > > we will
> > > > > > reach there. I do not want to
> derail this
> > > new partnership
> > > > > > but I
> > > > > > hope it is short term.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW KASNEB does not have the
> technical
> > > capacity to make any
> > > > > > ICT
> > > > > > Syllabus. They had to call in a
> team of ICT
> > > experts,
> > > > > > including
> > > > > > me, to write the CICT syllabus for
> them. The
> > > syllabus we
> > > > > > made out
> > > > > > is geared for accountants.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > > Waudo
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300,
> "Al
> > > Kags"
> > > > > > <alkags@alkags.com> said:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB
> have formed
> > > a partnership
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > review, identify gaps and
> enhance the
> > > quality of the
> > > > > > Certificate of ICT (CICT)
> qualification
> > > that is managed
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > KASNEB and offered by various
> ICT
> > > institutions in Kenya.
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > collaboration will cover, among
> other
> > > areas:-
> > > > > > * Working together towards
> enhancing
> > > quality ICT skills
> > > > > > in the
> > > > > > country
> > > > > > * Marketing CICT to get industry
> buy in
> > > and endorsement
> > > > > > at the
> > > > > > same level as CPA.
> > > > > > * Collaborate in conducting a
> baseline
> > > study/survey to
> > > > > > determine the deficiency of
> ICT skills
> > > and type of
> > > > > > skills
> > > > > > required.
> > > > > > * Collaborate to lobby for
> appropriate
> > > legal provisions
> > > > > > for the
> > > > > > establishment of an Institute
> for the
> > > CICT graduates,
> > > > > > recognizing KASNEB as the
> examining and
> > > the
> > > > > > certification
> > > > > > body for ICT graduates.
> > > > > > * Work to gain industry
> acceptance of CICT
> > > certification
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > same quality rating as CPA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Kenya ICT Board wishes to
> convene an
> > > ICT Public Panel
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > develop industry and stake
> holder input
> > > into the review.
> > > > > > We
> > > > > > invite the participation of key
> sector
> > > players in the
> > > > > > industry
> > > > > > on a voluntary basis, as
> represented
> > > below:-
> > > > > > * Industry players (IT products
> and
> > > services
> > > > > > suppliers/manufactures
> including
> > > Developer Community,
> > > > > > Skunkworks etc) - 5
> representatives
> > > > > > * Business Process Outsourcing
> and Call
> > > Centres - 2
> > > > > > representatives
> > > > > > * Colleges representatives
> - 3
> > > representatives
> > > > > > * University
> representatives - 3
> > > representatives
> > > > > > * Student representatives
> – 5
> > > > > > * Related government
> ministry's
> > > representatives - 3
> > > > > > * Multinational Corporations - 2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TORs of the Panel.
> > > > > > To review the state of ICT
> skills in Kenya
> > > with a view to
> > > > > > identifying gaps and therefore
> make
> > > recommendations for
> > > > > > addressing those gaps as seen in
> a global
> > > context. The
> > > > > > Public
> > > > > > Panel deliberations will be made
> out of a
> > > maximum of
> > > > > > three
> > > > > > meetings at the Kenya ICT Board
> Offices on
> > > Waiyaki way
> > > > > > specifically on: -
> > > > > > * Tuesday, September 9,
> 2008 at 10 am
> > > > > > * Tuesday, September 16,
> 2008 at 10
> > > am
> > > > > > * Tuesday, September 23,
> 2008 at 10
> > > am
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The recommendations will be
> presented to
> > > KASNEB for the
> > > > > > review
> > > > > > of the Certification Curriculum,
> on
> > > September 26, 2008 at
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > venue to be communicated closer
> to the
> > > date.
> > > > > > This initiative is guided by the
> Kenya ICT
> > > Board's
> > > > > > Strategic
> > > > > > Objectives, mainly:
> > > > > > * To develop and promote
> competitive ICT
> > > Institutions in
> > > > > > Kenya
> > > > > > * To develop and promote
> competitive ICT
> > > industries in
> > > > > > Kenya
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TO PARTICIPATE
> > > > > > To participate, kindly contact
> the Public
> > > Panels team on
> > > > > > [1]publicpanels@ict.go.ke .
> Please attach
> > > a brief profile
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > yourself and the sector that you
> > > represent. The Board
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > then formally invite you to
> participate in
> > > the Panel.
> > > > > > While
> > > > > > the formal invitations will be
> issued
> > > entirely at the
> > > > > > discretion of the board, the
> broad
> > > criteria for
> > > > > > participation
> > > > > > is as follows:-
> > > > > > * Demonstrated experience and
> knowledge in
> > > the sub-sector
> > > > > > * Expressed willingness to serve
> pro bono
> > > > > > * Demonstrated general
> understanding of
> > > the educational
> > > > > > offering in the sector.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We also welcome via email to
> > > [2]publicpanels@ict.go.ke
> > > > > > written
> > > > > > submission on this topic,
> representations
> > > and opinions
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > the sector towards this
> important exercise
> > > and they will
> > > > > > also
> > > > > > be collated with the report.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > References
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke
> > > > > > 2. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke
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Walu - the Accountants should not hand over anything. The Certificate course we prepared for them is necessary to ensure that they are computer literate. Conversely, ICT professionals need some basic knowledge in accounts. Those of us who went tthrough the School of Computing Science at Chiromo will remember that Introduction to Accounting was an important service subject offered and moderated by the department of Accounting to both undergraduate and Masters students. It is necessary not to mix up service courses and certifications with professionalism. If you visited the page (www.ipthree.org) that I mentioned you will see the first line reads "IT is a global industry. IT services are traded on a massive scale and IT- related activity reacts to market forces and moves in search of pools of professionally competent people. IT practitioners too move around." Since IT people move around it is necessary that anyone who claims to be "bright" in any area of IT agree to be subjected to examination and certification. Otherwise how can you know who is who without papers? Even searching for a job in Microsoft etc. the first thing they want to see is your papers. We should not encourage ICT people to be LAZY and move around with no papers or certifications simply in the name of "innovation". By the way it is good that YOU appear proud of YOUR OWN CERTIFICATIONS. To quench your curiousity about my own professional certifications, I am a Fellow of the Computer Society of Kenya (FCSK). Waudo On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:25:04 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> said: > Relax Waudo and enjoy the beauty of Milan, > > As for the caveat, I had already declared earlier that I sit on the > KASNEB board (and several others) but did not wish to belabor the point > lest I am also accused of increasing un-employment in Kenya ;-) > > But however, plse take my questions in good faith since I was just trying > to look at the big picture in terms of cordinating ICT initiatives. > Infact, it may lead to the government asking KASNEB to retire or forward > their ICT Examination program to the future ICT Institution! > > As for killing innovation, i was of the view that unlike other > professionss, Lawyers, Accountants, Doctors, etc. ICT innovations seems > to spring out of chaps that have no professional licensing restrictions - > eBay, FaceBook, Microsoft, Google just to mention afew. > > You can imagine if the US government brought down Microsoft and Facebook > because their creators were unlicensed Harvard dropouts with no power to > practice. > > walu - > Professionally Certified > CCNA(2001), CISA (2005), SuSE Linux (2003) and awaiting Waudo's > Certifications ;-). > > > --- On Sat, 9/13/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: > > > From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT Practioners Act > > To: "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> > > Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 11:31 AM > > Hi Walu, > > First I think that when you are talking about KASNEB you > > should issue a > > caveat regarding your conflict of interest. You are making > > some coins > > marking their exams and it is natural you would wish to > > protect that. > > Another question, can the accountants agree for ICT > > Professionals to > > start offering accounting professional exams? I think there > > would be a > > riot. If I follow your duplication argument then we should > > do away with > > the Kenya School of Law and throw that to KASNEB as well. > > > > As for killing innovation, maybe you can give me some > > examples of > > innovation that has been killed by the existence of LSK, > > Medical and > > Engineering bodies. > > > > In general, I am completely perplexed why you appear so > > keen to shoot > > down the ICT Professionalism efforts???? > > > > Waudo > > At IFIP Meeting in Milan, > > Discussing ICT Professionalism (visit > > http://www.ipthree.org/) > > > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:13:09 -0700 (PDT), "John > > Walubengo" > > <jwalu@yahoo.com> said: > > > Dr. Waudo, quite some thinking put in this document I > > must admit. But > > > just a few questions if I may. > > > > > > 1. It looks like if I am not registered with the said > > ICT practitioners > > > Institute, then i cannot provide ICT services. More > > like the LSKs, > > > Medical and Engineers bodies. Would this kill or > > stimulate ICT > > > innovation? > > > > > > 2. There's a whole section creating an ICT > > Examination Board, along the > > > lines of KASNEB. Isnt this replicating national > > resources? Why not > > > leverage or outsource that role to KASNEB (forget > > it's otherwise > > > Accounting origin and focus on its established, > > rigorous and proven > > > Examination track record.) > > > > > > walu. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, kamotho Njenga > > <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > From: kamotho Njenga > > <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> > > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT > > Practioners Act > > > > To: jwalu@yahoo.com > > > > Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy > > Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > > Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:02 PM > > > > Quite remarkable efforts, Waudo. The work sets > > up an > > > > appropriate pedestal > > > > for further contributions that will enable > > academicians, > > > > regulators, > > > > managers, employers et.al, to better appreciate > > the ICT > > > > professional > > > > paradigms. > > > > > > > > The draft forms a critical first step towards our > > dream of > > > > defining the ICT > > > > profession in Kenya. It's a sacred endeavor > > which > > > > should be entirely > > > > isolated from all traces of the emerging Kenyan > > version of > > > > "ICT politics" > > > > (Exclusion and sabotage of perceived critics). > > > > > > > > If we collaboratively manage to generate an > > amicable > > > > framework that will > > > > yield a streamlined and mainstreamed professional > > sector, > > > > we will have made > > > > a solid foundation for the future growth of our > > ICT > > > > industry. > > > > > > > > May the ICT Practitioners Management Act live to > > see the > > > > light of day! > > > > > > > > Kamotho Njenga > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:57 PM, waudo siganga > > > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am just wondering how much > > "Work" it would > > > > take to formulate a > > > > > legislative instrument to regualte ICT > > qualifications > > > > and profession. I > > > > > notice most of the other instruments appear > > similar > > > > except for a few > > > > > changes here and there. I have taken one and > > put a few > > > > changes to create > > > > > an "ICT Practioners Management > > Act" - > > > > > > > > > > > www.cskonline.org/downloads/Proposed_ICT_Practioners_Act.pdf > > > > > > > > > > Waudo > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:56:20 -0700 (PDT), > > "John > > > > Walubengo" > > > > > <jwalu@yahoo.com> said: > > > > > > Waudo, > > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to differ (disclosure: probably > > because I > > > > sit on the KASNEB ICT > > > > > > Syllabus Board) on two accounts. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. That the KASNEB ICT syllabus is for > > > > Accountants and > > > > > > 2. That KICT Board should have nothing > > to do with > > > > KASNEB. > > > > > > > > > > > > Count 1: Syllabi for Accountants? > > > > > > The KASNEB ICT syllabus is aimed to > > create > > > > mid-level, technical personnel > > > > > > in the ICT sector. Any doubting expert > > can visit > > > > > > http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm to see > > the > > > > course outline which > > > > > > incidentally you (Waudo and I) > > contributed to in > > > > 2005. In addition, this > > > > > > syallabus is already under review by > > another Task > > > > force to make it more > > > > > > relevant (tell me which > > university/college here > > > > in Kenya reviews their > > > > > > syllabus in such turn-around record > > times?) > > > > > > > > > > > > Count 2: ICT board has/should have > > nothing to do > > > > with KASNEB? > > > > > > I think ICT board has an interest in > > the ICT > > > > technical capacity in this > > > > > > country. It would be futile to market > > Kenya as > > > > an ICT destination, when > > > > > > one knows the gaps or inadequacy we > > have > > > > particularly at the levels that > > > > > > our Polytechnics (now all rushing to be > > > > universities) used to address. > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, KASNEB has an Accounting > > background but > > > > is moving into providing > > > > > > their Examination Expertise into other > > areas > > > > (ICT, Actural Science, etc) > > > > > > and you are right:-They have a legal > > mandate and > > > > parliamentary basis for > > > > > > this. Something the Computer Soceity of > > Kenya, > > > > ITSA and other ICT > > > > > > professional bodies have sought to no > > avail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably Waudo, could your worry be > > that KASNEB > > > > maybe introducing > > > > > > 'unnecessary' competition in > > that space? > > > > > > > > > > > > walu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga > > > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: waudo siganga > > > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, > > identify > > > > gaps and enhance the quality > > > > > of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) > > qualification > > > > > > > To: jwalu@yahoo.com > > > > > > > Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, > > "KICTAnet ICT > > > > Policy Discussions" < > > > > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > > > > > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, > > 6:53 PM > > > > > > > Why is partnering with KASNEB a > > > > "Strategic > > > > > > > Objective' of the ICT > > > > > > > Board? Does it mean that the Board > > sees the > > > > running of ICT > > > > > > > examinations and, presumably, > > > > professionalism as a > > > > > > > responsibility > > > > > > > of accountants? To me the > > strategic > > > > objective should be to > > > > > > > ensure > > > > > > > ICT education and professionalism > > are > > > > established under > > > > > > > statutory > > > > > > > recognition in their own right. > > The only > > > > advantage > > > > > > > accountants > > > > > > > have is the statutory recognition > > and if we > > > > plan properly > > > > > > > we will > > > > > > > reach there. I do not want to > > derail this > > > > new partnership > > > > > > > but I > > > > > > > hope it is short term. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW KASNEB does not have the > > technical > > > > capacity to make any > > > > > > > ICT > > > > > > > Syllabus. They had to call in a > > team of ICT > > > > experts, > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > me, to write the CICT syllabus for > > them. The > > > > syllabus we > > > > > > > made out > > > > > > > is geared for accountants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > Waudo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, > > "Al > > > > Kags" > > > > > > > <alkags@alkags.com> said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB > > have formed > > > > a partnership > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > review, identify gaps and > > enhance the > > > > quality of the > > > > > > > Certificate of ICT (CICT) > > qualification > > > > that is managed > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > KASNEB and offered by various > > ICT > > > > institutions in Kenya. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > collaboration will cover, among > > other > > > > areas:- > > > > > > > * Working together towards > > enhancing > > > > quality ICT skills > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > country > > > > > > > * Marketing CICT to get industry > > buy in > > > > and endorsement > > > > > > > at the > > > > > > > same level as CPA. > > > > > > > * Collaborate in conducting a > > baseline > > > > study/survey to > > > > > > > determine the deficiency of > > ICT skills > > > > and type of > > > > > > > skills > > > > > > > required. > > > > > > > * Collaborate to lobby for > > appropriate > > > > legal provisions > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > establishment of an Institute > > for the > > > > CICT graduates, > > > > > > > recognizing KASNEB as the > > examining and > > > > the > > > > > > > certification > > > > > > > body for ICT graduates. > > > > > > > * Work to gain industry > > acceptance of CICT > > > > certification > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > same quality rating as CPA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Kenya ICT Board wishes to > > convene an > > > > ICT Public Panel > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > develop industry and stake > > holder input > > > > into the review. > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > invite the participation of key > > sector > > > > players in the > > > > > > > industry > > > > > > > on a voluntary basis, as > > represented > > > > below:- > > > > > > > * Industry players (IT products > > and > > > > services > > > > > > > suppliers/manufactures > > including > > > > Developer Community, > > > > > > > Skunkworks etc) - 5 > > representatives > > > > > > > * Business Process Outsourcing > > and Call > > > > Centres - 2 > > > > > > > representatives > > > > > > > * Colleges representatives > > - 3 > > > > representatives > > > > > > > * University > > representatives - 3 > > > > representatives > > > > > > > * Student representatives > > – 5 > > > > > > > * Related government > > ministry's > > > > representatives - 3 > > > > > > > * Multinational Corporations - 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TORs of the Panel. > > > > > > > To review the state of ICT > > skills in Kenya > > > > with a view to > > > > > > > identifying gaps and therefore > > make > > > > recommendations for > > > > > > > addressing those gaps as seen in > > a global > > > > context. The > > > > > > > Public > > > > > > > Panel deliberations will be made > > out of a > > > > maximum of > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > meetings at the Kenya ICT Board > > Offices on > > > > Waiyaki way > > > > > > > specifically on: - > > > > > > > * Tuesday, September 9, > > 2008 at 10 am > > > > > > > * Tuesday, September 16, > > 2008 at 10 > > > > am > > > > > > > * Tuesday, September 23, > > 2008 at 10 > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The recommendations will be > > presented to > > > > KASNEB for the > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > of the Certification Curriculum, > > on > > > > September 26, 2008 at > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > venue to be communicated closer > > to the > > > > date. > > > > > > > This initiative is guided by the > > Kenya ICT > > > > Board's > > > > > > > Strategic > > > > > > > Objectives, mainly: > > > > > > > * To develop and promote > > competitive ICT > > > > Institutions in > > > > > > > Kenya > > > > > > > * To develop and promote > > competitive ICT > > > > industries in > > > > > > > Kenya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TO PARTICIPATE > > > > > > > To participate, kindly contact > > the Public > > > > Panels team on > > > > > > > [1]publicpanels@ict.go.ke . > > Please attach > > > > a brief profile > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > yourself and the sector that you > > > > represent. The Board > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > then formally invite you to > > participate in > > > > the Panel. > > > > > > > While > > > > > > > the formal invitations will be > > issued > > > > entirely at the > > > > > > > discretion of the board, the > > broad > > > > criteria for > > > > > > > participation > > > > > > > is as follows:- > > > > > > > * Demonstrated experience and > > knowledge in > > > > the sub-sector > > > > > > > * Expressed willingness to serve > > pro bono > > > > > > > * Demonstrated general > > understanding of > > > > the educational > > > > > > > offering in the sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We also welcome via email to > > > > [2]publicpanels@ict.go.ke > > > > > > > written > > > > > > > submission on this topic, > > representations > > > > and opinions > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > the sector towards this > > important exercise > > > > and they will > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > be collated with the report. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > References > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke > > > > > > > 2. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke > > > > > > > People make a plan work, a plan > > alone seldom > > > > makes people > > > > > > > work (Confucius). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > kictanet mailing list > > > > > > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: > > jwalu@yahoo.com > > > > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom > > makes > > > > people work (Confucius). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > kictanet mailing list > > > > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: > > kamothonjenga@gmail.com > > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kamothonjenga%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > kictanet mailing list > > > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.com > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > kictanet mailing list > > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > This message was sent to: emailsignet@mailcan.com > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.com > > People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people > > work (Confucius). > > > People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).
Hi All,
Just a reminder I hear more talks about ICT cutting across all sectors. It comes out quite clearly and has become a fact that I cannot dispute.
For that matter in any sector there might be need to define basic/level of ICT Knowledge with some sectors going further to introduce certifications for certain levels. One sector which for this sake I will call Main Stream ICT might will have several certifications due to cobweb nature of the ICT. As we discuss certification let us take note of the cobweb nature of ICT and that we cannot be master of the cobweb but let other sectors play they role. This was but just a thought.
Preston
Preston Odera
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--- On Sat, 9/13/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT Practioners Act
To: podera_2002@yahoo.com
Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 11:47 AM
Walu - the Accountants should not hand over anything. The Certificate
course we prepared for them is necessary to ensure that they are
computer literate. Conversely, ICT professionals need some basic
knowledge in accounts. Those of us who went tthrough the School of
Computing Science at Chiromo will remember that Introduction to
Accounting was an important service subject offered and moderated by the
department of Accounting to both undergraduate and Masters students. It
is necessary not to mix up service courses and certifications with
professionalism.
If you visited the page (www.ipthree.org) that I mentioned you will see
the first line reads "IT is a global industry. IT services are traded on
a massive scale and IT- related activity reacts to market forces and
moves in search of pools of professionally competent people. IT
practitioners too move around." Since IT people move around it is
necessary that anyone who claims to be "bright" in any area of IT
agree
to be subjected to examination and certification. Otherwise how can you
know who is who without papers? Even searching for a job in Microsoft
etc. the first thing they want to see is your papers. We should not
encourage ICT people to be LAZY and move around with no papers or
certifications simply in the name of "innovation". By the way it is
good
that YOU appear proud of YOUR OWN CERTIFICATIONS.
To quench your curiousity about my own professional certifications, I am
a Fellow of the Computer Society of Kenya (FCSK).
Waudo
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:25:04 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo"
<jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
> Relax Waudo and enjoy the beauty of Milan,
>
> As for the caveat, I had already declared earlier that I sit on the
> KASNEB board (and several others) but did not wish to belabor the point
> lest I am also accused of increasing un-employment in Kenya ;-)
>
> But however, plse take my questions in good faith since I was just trying
> to look at the big picture in terms of cordinating ICT initiatives.
> Infact, it may lead to the government asking KASNEB to retire or forward
> their ICT Examination program to the future ICT Institution!
>
> As for killing innovation, i was of the view that unlike other
> professionss, Lawyers, Accountants, Doctors, etc. ICT innovations seems
> to spring out of chaps that have no professional licensing restrictions -
> eBay, FaceBook, Microsoft, Google just to mention afew.
>
> You can imagine if the US government brought down Microsoft and Facebook
> because their creators were unlicensed Harvard dropouts with no power to
> practice.
>
> walu -
> Professionally Certified
> CCNA(2001), CISA (2005), SuSE Linux (2003) and awaiting Waudo's
> Certifications ;-).
>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/13/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
>
> > From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT Practioners Act
> > To: "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 11:31 AM
> > Hi Walu,
> > First I think that when you are talking about KASNEB you
> > should issue a
> > caveat regarding your conflict of interest. You are making
> > some coins
> > marking their exams and it is natural you would wish to
> > protect that.
> > Another question, can the accountants agree for ICT
> > Professionals to
> > start offering accounting professional exams? I think there
> > would be a
> > riot. If I follow your duplication argument then we should
> > do away with
> > the Kenya School of Law and throw that to KASNEB as well.
> >
> > As for killing innovation, maybe you can give me some
> > examples of
> > innovation that has been killed by the existence of LSK,
> > Medical and
> > Engineering bodies.
> >
> > In general, I am completely perplexed why you appear so
> > keen to shoot
> > down the ICT Professionalism efforts????
> >
> > Waudo
> > At IFIP Meeting in Milan,
> > Discussing ICT Professionalism (visit
> > http://www.ipthree.org/)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:13:09 -0700 (PDT), "John
> > Walubengo"
> > <jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
> > > Dr. Waudo, quite some thinking put in this document I
> > must admit. But
> > > just a few questions if I may.
> > >
> > > 1. It looks like if I am not registered with the said
> > ICT practitioners
> > > Institute, then i cannot provide ICT services. More
> > like the LSKs,
> > > Medical and Engineers bodies. Would this kill or
> > stimulate ICT
> > > innovation?
> > >
> > > 2. There's a whole section creating an ICT
> > Examination Board, along the
> > > lines of KASNEB. Isnt this replicating national
> > resources? Why not
> > > leverage or outsource that role to KASNEB (forget
> > it's otherwise
> > > Accounting origin and focus on its established,
> > rigorous and proven
> > > Examination track record.)
> > >
> > > walu.
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, kamotho Njenga
> > <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: kamotho Njenga
> > <kamothonjenga@gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT
> > Practioners Act
> > > > To: jwalu@yahoo.com
> > > > Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > > Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:02 PM
> > > > Quite remarkable efforts, Waudo. The work sets
> > up an
> > > > appropriate pedestal
> > > > for further contributions that will enable
> > academicians,
> > > > regulators,
> > > > managers, employers et.al, to better appreciate
> > the ICT
> > > > professional
> > > > paradigms.
> > > >
> > > > The draft forms a critical first step towards our
> > dream of
> > > > defining the ICT
> > > > profession in Kenya. It's a sacred endeavor
> > which
> > > > should be entirely
> > > > isolated from all traces of the emerging Kenyan
> > version of
> > > > "ICT politics"
> > > > (Exclusion and sabotage of perceived critics).
> > > >
> > > > If we collaboratively manage to generate an
> > amicable
> > > > framework that will
> > > > yield a streamlined and mainstreamed professional
> > sector,
> > > > we will have made
> > > > a solid foundation for the future growth of our
> > ICT
> > > > industry.
> > > >
> > > > May the ICT Practitioners Management Act live to
> > see the
> > > > light of day!
> > > >
> > > > Kamotho Njenga
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:57 PM, waudo siganga
> > > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am just wondering how much
> > "Work" it would
> > > > take to formulate a
> > > > > legislative instrument to regualte ICT
> > qualifications
> > > > and profession. I
> > > > > notice most of the other instruments appear
> > similar
> > > > except for a few
> > > > > changes here and there. I have taken one and
> > put a few
> > > > changes to create
> > > > > an "ICT Practioners Management
> > Act" -
> > > > >
> > > >
> > www.cskonline.org/downloads/Proposed_ICT_Practioners_Act.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > Waudo
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
> > "John
> > > > Walubengo"
> > > > > <jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
> > > > > > Waudo,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I beg to differ (disclosure: probably
> > because I
> > > > sit on the KASNEB ICT
> > > > > > Syllabus Board) on two accounts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. That the KASNEB ICT syllabus is for
> > > > Accountants and
> > > > > > 2. That KICT Board should have nothing
> > to do with
> > > > KASNEB.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Count 1: Syllabi for Accountants?
> > > > > > The KASNEB ICT syllabus is aimed to
> > create
> > > > mid-level, technical personnel
> > > > > > in the ICT sector. Any doubting expert
> > can visit
> > > > > > http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm to see
> > the
> > > > course outline which
> > > > > > incidentally you (Waudo and I)
> > contributed to in
> > > > 2005. In addition, this
> > > > > > syallabus is already under review by
> > another Task
> > > > force to make it more
> > > > > > relevant (tell me which
> > university/college here
> > > > in Kenya reviews their
> > > > > > syllabus in such turn-around record
> > times?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Count 2: ICT board has/should have
> > nothing to do
> > > > with KASNEB?
> > > > > > I think ICT board has an interest in
> > the ICT
> > > > technical capacity in this
> > > > > > country. It would be futile to market
> > Kenya as
> > > > an ICT destination, when
> > > > > > one knows the gaps or inadequacy we
> > have
> > > > particularly at the levels that
> > > > > > our Polytechnics (now all rushing to be
> > > > universities) used to address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Finally, KASNEB has an Accounting
> > background but
> > > > is moving into providing
> > > > > > their Examination Expertise into other
> > areas
> > > > (ICT, Actural Science, etc)
> > > > > > and you are right:-They have a legal
> > mandate and
> > > > parliamentary basis for
> > > > > > this. Something the Computer Soceity of
> > Kenya,
> > > > ITSA and other ICT
> > > > > > professional bodies have sought to no
> > avail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Probably Waudo, could your worry be
> > that KASNEB
> > > > maybe introducing
> > > > > > 'unnecessary' competition in
> > that space?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > walu.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga
> > > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: waudo siganga
> > > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review,
> > identify
> > > > gaps and enhance the quality
> > > > > of the Certificate of ICT (CICT)
> > qualification
> > > > > > > To: jwalu@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke,
> > "KICTAnet ICT
> > > > Policy Discussions" <
> > > > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > > > > > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008,
> > 6:53 PM
> > > > > > > Why is partnering with KASNEB a
> > > > "Strategic
> > > > > > > Objective' of the ICT
> > > > > > > Board? Does it mean that the Board
> > sees the
> > > > running of ICT
> > > > > > > examinations and, presumably,
> > > > professionalism as a
> > > > > > > responsibility
> > > > > > > of accountants? To me the
> > strategic
> > > > objective should be to
> > > > > > > ensure
> > > > > > > ICT education and professionalism
> > are
> > > > established under
> > > > > > > statutory
> > > > > > > recognition in their own right.
> > The only
> > > > advantage
> > > > > > > accountants
> > > > > > > have is the statutory recognition
> > and if we
> > > > plan properly
> > > > > > > we will
> > > > > > > reach there. I do not want to
> > derail this
> > > > new partnership
> > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > hope it is short term.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW KASNEB does not have the
> > technical
> > > > capacity to make any
> > > > > > > ICT
> > > > > > > Syllabus. They had to call in a
> > team of ICT
> > > > experts,
> > > > > > > including
> > > > > > > me, to write the CICT syllabus for
> > them. The
> > > > syllabus we
> > > > > > > made out
> > > > > > > is geared for accountants.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > > > Waudo
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300,
> > "Al
> > > > Kags"
> > > > > > > <alkags@alkags.com> said:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB
> > have formed
> > > > a partnership
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > review, identify gaps and
> > enhance the
> > > > quality of the
> > > > > > > Certificate of ICT (CICT)
> > qualification
> > > > that is managed
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > KASNEB and offered by various
> > ICT
> > > > institutions in Kenya.
> > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > collaboration will cover, among
> > other
> > > > areas:-
> > > > > > > * Working together towards
> > enhancing
> > > > quality ICT skills
> > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > country
> > > > > > > * Marketing CICT to get industry
> > buy in
> > > > and endorsement
> > > > > > > at the
> > > > > > > same level as CPA.
> > > > > > > * Collaborate in conducting a
> > baseline
> > > > study/survey to
> > > > > > > determine the deficiency of
> > ICT skills
> > > > and type of
> > > > > > > skills
> > > > > > > required.
> > > > > > > * Collaborate to lobby for
> > appropriate
> > > > legal provisions
> > > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > establishment of an Institute
> > for the
> > > > CICT graduates,
> > > > > > > recognizing KASNEB as the
> > examining and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > certification
> > > > > > > body for ICT graduates.
> > > > > > > * Work to gain industry
> > acceptance of CICT
> > > > certification
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > same quality rating as CPA.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Kenya ICT Board wishes to
> > convene an
> > > > ICT Public Panel
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > develop industry and stake
> > holder input
> > > > into the review.
> > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > invite the participation of key
> > sector
> > > > players in the
> > > > > > > industry
> > > > > > > on a voluntary basis, as
> > represented
> > > > below:-
> > > > > > > * Industry players (IT products
> > and
> > > > services
> > > > > > > suppliers/manufactures
> > including
> > > > Developer Community,
> > > > > > > Skunkworks etc) - 5
> > representatives
> > > > > > > * Business Process Outsourcing
> > and Call
> > > > Centres - 2
> > > > > > > representatives
> > > > > > > * Colleges representatives
> > - 3
> > > > representatives
> > > > > > > * University
> > representatives - 3
> > > > representatives
> > > > > > > * Student representatives
> > – 5
> > > > > > > * Related government
> > ministry's
> > > > representatives - 3
> > > > > > > * Multinational Corporations - 2
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TORs of the Panel.
> > > > > > > To review the state of ICT
> > skills in Kenya
> > > > with a view to
> > > > > > > identifying gaps and therefore
> > make
> > > > recommendations for
> > > > > > > addressing those gaps as seen in
> > a global
> > > > context. The
> > > > > > > Public
> > > > > > > Panel deliberations will be made
> > out of a
> > > > maximum of
> > > > > > > three
> > > > > > > meetings at the Kenya ICT Board
> > Offices on
> > > > Waiyaki way
> > > > > > > specifically on: -
> > > > > > > * Tuesday, September 9,
> > 2008 at 10 am
> > > > > > > * Tuesday, September 16,
> > 2008 at 10
> > > > am
> > > > > > > * Tuesday, September 23,
> > 2008 at 10
> > > > am
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The recommendations will be
> > presented to
> > > > KASNEB for the
> > > > > > > review
> > > > > > > of the Certification Curriculum,
> > on
> > > > September 26, 2008 at
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > venue to be communicated closer
> > to the
> > > > date.
> > > > > > > This initiative is guided by the
> > Kenya ICT
> > > > Board's
> > > > > > > Strategic
> > > > > > > Objectives, mainly:
> > > > > > > * To develop and promote
> > competitive ICT
> > > > Institutions in
> > > > > > > Kenya
> > > > > > > * To develop and promote
> > competitive ICT
> > > > industries in
> > > > > > > Kenya
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TO PARTICIPATE
> > > > > > > To participate, kindly contact
> > the Public
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> > > > > > > [1]publicpanels@ict.go.ke .
> > Please attach
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> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > yourself and the sector that you
> > > > represent. The Board
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > then formally invite you to
> > participate in
> > > > the Panel.
> > > > > > > While
> > > > > > > the formal invitations will be
> > issued
> > > > entirely at the
> > > > > > > discretion of the board, the
> > broad
> > > > criteria for
> > > > > > > participation
> > > > > > > is as follows:-
> > > > > > > * Demonstrated experience and
> > knowledge in
> > > > the sub-sector
> > > > > > > * Expressed willingness to serve
> > pro bono
> > > > > > > * Demonstrated general
> > understanding of
> > > > the educational
> > > > > > > offering in the sector.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We also welcome via email to
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> > > > > > > written
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> > representations
> > > > and opinions
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > the sector towards this
> > important exercise
> > > > and they will
> > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > be collated with the report.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > References
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke
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Waudo,
I beg to differ (disclosure: probably because I sit on the KASNEB ICT Syllabus Board) on two accounts.
1. That the KASNEB ICT syllabus is for Accountants and 2. That KICT Board should have nothing to do with KASNEB.
Count 1: Syllabi for Accountants? The KASNEB ICT syllabus is aimed to create mid-level, technical personnel in the ICT sector. Any doubting expert can visit [5]http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm to see the course outline which incidentally you (Waudo and I) contributed to in 2005. In addition, this syallabus is already under review by another Task force to make it more relevant (tell me which university/college here in Kenya reviews their syllabus in such turn-around record times?)
Count 2: ICT board has/should have nothing to do with KASNEB? I think ICT board has an interest in the ICT technical capacity in this country. It would be futile to market Kenya as an ICT destination, when one knows the gaps or inadequacy we have particularly at the levels that our Polytechnics (now all rushing to be universities) used to address.
Finally, KASNEB has an Accounting background but is moving into providing their Examination Expertise into other areas (ICT, Actural Science, etc) and you are right:-They have a legal mandate and
this. Something the Computer Soceity of Kenya, ITSA and other ICT professional bodies have sought to no avail.
Probably Waudo, could your worry be that KASNEB maybe introducing 'unnecessary' competition in that space?
walu.
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga <[6]emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
From: waudo siganga <[7]emailsignet@mailcan.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review, identify gaps and enhance
To: [8]jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: [9]amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[10]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:53 PM Why is partnering with KASNEB a "Strategic Objective' of the ICT Board? Does it mean that the Board sees the running of ICT examinations and, presumably, professionalism as a responsibility of accountants? To me the strategic objective should be to ensure ICT education and professionalism are established under statutory recognition in their own right. The only advantage accountants have is the statutory recognition and if we plan properly we will reach there. I do not want to derail this new partnership but I hope it is short term.
BTW KASNEB does not have the technical capacity to make any ICT Syllabus. They had to call in a team of ICT experts, including me, to write the CICT syllabus for them. The syllabus we made out is geared for accountants.
Kind Regards, Waudo
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300, "Al Kags" <[11]alkags@alkags.com> said:
The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- * Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the country * Marketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA. * Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. * Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates. * Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA.
The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- * Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representatives * Business Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representatives * Colleges representatives - 3 representatives * University representatives - 3 representatives * Student representatives – 5 * Related government ministry's representatives - 3 * Multinational Corporations - 2
TORs of the Panel. To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - * Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 am
The recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date. This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: * To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in Kenya * To develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya
TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on [1][12]publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief
Thanks for your kind words Kamotho. When we move together with one voice we shall reach there. I will communicate with you one I am back in the country on these issues. Kind Regards, Waudo On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:02:28 +0300, "kamotho Njenga" <kamothonjenga@gmail .com> said: Quite remarkable efforts, Waudo. The work sets up an appropriate pedestal for further contributions that will enable academicians, regulators, managers, employers [1]et.al, to better appreciate the ICT professional paradigms. The draft forms a critical first step towards our dream of defining the ICT profession in Kenya. It's a sacred endeavor which should be entirely isolated from all traces of the emerging Kenyan version of "ICT politics" (Exclusion and sabotage of perceived critics). If we collaboratively manage to generate an amicable framework that will yield a streamlined and mainstreamed professional sector, we will have made a solid foundation for the future growth of our ICT industry. May the ICT Practitioners Management Act live to see the light of day! Kamotho Njenga On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:57 PM, waudo siganga <[2]emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: I am just wondering how much "Work" it would take to formulate a legislative instrument to regualte ICT qualifications and profession. I notice most of the other instruments appear similar except for a few changes here and there. I have taken one and put a few changes to create an "ICT Practioners Management Act" - [3]www.cskonline.org/downloads/Proposed_ICT_Practioners_Act.pd f Waudo On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:56:20 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo" <[4]jwalu@yahoo.com> said: parliamentary basis for the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification profile
of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- * Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sector * Expressed willingness to serve pro bono * Demonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector.
We also welcome via email to [2][13]publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report.
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The ICT Board's idea of "reviewing, identifying gaps, enhancing the quality etc within KASNEB's CICT exam is very logical at a glance. Unfortunately the approach reveals several ommissions and commisions on the Board's part regarding the way in which it has handled one of its most critical mandates - ICT education,professionalim and capacity building. At the risk of sounding like one to whom money has being poured to finish the ICT Board, I will (un) humbly make the following submissions: 1. Whereas the above partnership could have some merits, the Board must stop loosing sight of the bigger picture. CICT is not the route to establishing quality assurance within the ICT profession. An exhaustive exploration of options including perspectives of other examining bodies must be considered. 2. The Board should engineer an original process on its own. Purporting to audit the syllabus of a sister state corporation adversely projects the attributes of the ICT Board and the entire ICT professional community - A non starter running after KASNEB to offer solutions and do its job.Its typical of a disorganized fellow who deserts his unkempt home only to go and issue cooking orders to a neighbours wife. 3. Its critical that the Board institutes a research arm instead of relying entirely on impromptu contibutions of stakeholders. Sitting in posh offices along Waiyaki way to write recommendations to forward to KASNEB is a doomed overture. One is tempted to conclude that the Board is short of ideology and is at best a bother to other entities whose houses are in order. 4. The Board must stop exploiting Kenyans in the name of pro bono (Voluntary participation). Quality comes at a cost. Whereas most of us wouldn't mind giving some hours to the cause of nation building, its both un African and unscriptural to engage people numerously without any sense of consideration. The ICT Board is not an NGO or ? What about your budget? Kamotho Njenga Lecturer, UON and Chairman, ICT Association of Kenya (ICTAK) On 9/5/08, Al Kags <alkags@alkags.com> wrote:
The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:-
- Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the country - Marketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA. - Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. - Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates. - Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA.
The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:-
- Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representatives - Business Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representatives - Colleges representatives - 3 representatives - University representatives - 3 representatives - Student representatives – 5 - Related government ministry's representatives - 3 - Multinational Corporations - 2
TORs of the Panel.
To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: -
- Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 am - Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 am - Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 am
The recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date.
This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly:
- To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in Kenya - To develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya
TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:-
- Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sector - Expressed willingness to serve pro bono - Demonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector.
We also welcome via email to publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Well articulated Kamotho. The research arm idea sounds very useful as the Board as currently constituted is slanted towards marketing rather than tackling the complexities of ICT education/Professionalism. The Board should also play a neutral role if it wants to participate in the marketing of ICT examinations, as currently there are myriad providers including the foreign ones who have a field day in the country because of a loophole in the Education Act. The Boards voluntary/non-commercial participation concept also appears a non-starter. It is hard to achieve things that way. Overall I propose that the Board in future involve all including its "critics" and not just "friends" in its strategy formulation sessions. Surely if someone had taken the trouble to inform me (and probably others) about the Naivasha meet I would even have paid my way there.Criticism is not meant to make anyone to fail, but to do better and to achieve. Kind Regards, Waudo On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:00:37 +0300, "kamotho Njenga" <kamothonjenga@gmail. com> said: The ICT Board's idea of "reviewing, identifying gaps, enhancing the quality etc within KASNEB's CICT exam is very logical at a glance. Unfortunately the approach reveals several ommissions and commisions on the Board's part regarding the way in which it has handled one of its most critical mandates - ICT education,professionalim and capacity building. At the risk of sounding like one to whom money has being poured to finish the ICT Board, I will (un) humbly make the following submissions: 1. Whereas the above partnership could have some merits, the Board must stop loosing sight of the bigger picture. CICT is not the route to establishing quality assurance within the ICT profession. An exhaustive exploration of options including perspectives of other examining bodies must be considered. 2. The Board should engineer an original process on its own. Purporting to audit the syllabus of a sister state corporation adversely projects the attributes of the ICT Board and the entire ICT professional community - A non starter running after KASNEB to offer solutions and do its job.Its typical of a disorganized fellow who deserts his unkempt home only to go and issue cooking orders to a neighbours wife. 3. Its critical that the Board institutes a research arm instead of relying entirely on impromptu contibutions of stakeholders. Sitting in posh offices along Waiyaki way to write recommendations to forward to KASNEB is a doomed overture. One is tempted to conclude that the Board is short of ideology and is at best a bother to other entities whose houses are in order. 4. The Board must stop exploiting Kenyans in the name of pro bono (Voluntary participation). Quality comes at a cost. Whereas most of us wouldn't mind giving some hours to the cause of nation building, its both un African and unscriptural to engage people numerously without any sense of consideration. The ICT Board is not an NGO or ? What about your budget? Kamotho Njenga Lecturer, UON and Chairman, ICT Association of Kenya (ICTAK) On 9/5/08, Al Kags <[1]alkags@alkags.com> wrote: The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB have formed a partnership to review, identify gaps and enhance the quality of the Certificate of ICT (CICT) qualification that is managed by KASNEB and offered by various ICT institutions in Kenya. This collaboration will cover, among other areas:- * Working together towards enhancing quality ICT skills in the country * Marketing CICT to get industry buy in and endorsement at the same level as CPA. * Collaborate in conducting a baseline study/survey to determine the deficiency of ICT skills and type of skills required. * Collaborate to lobby for appropriate legal provisions for the establishment of an Institute for the CICT graduates, recognizing KASNEB as the examining and the certification body for ICT graduates. * Work to gain industry acceptance of CICT certification on same quality rating as CPA. The Kenya ICT Board wishes to convene an ICT Public Panel to develop industry and stake holder input into the review. We invite the participation of key sector players in the industry on a voluntary basis, as represented below:- * Industry players (IT products and services suppliers/manufactures including Developer Community, Skunkworks etc) - 5 representatives * Business Process Outsourcing and Call Centres - 2 representatives * Colleges representatives - 3 representatives * University representatives - 3 representatives * Student representatives 5 * Related government ministry's representatives - 3 * Multinational Corporations - 2 TORs of the Panel. To review the state of ICT skills in Kenya with a view to identifying gaps and therefore make recommendations for addressing those gaps as seen in a global context. The Public Panel deliberations will be made out of a maximum of three meetings at the Kenya ICT Board Offices on Waiyaki way specifically on: - * Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 16, 2008 at 10 am * Tuesday, September 23, 2008 at 10 am The recommendations will be presented to KASNEB for the review of the Certification Curriculum, on September 26, 2008 at a venue to be communicated closer to the date. This initiative is guided by the Kenya ICT Board's Strategic Objectives, mainly: * To develop and promote competitive ICT Institutions in Kenya * To develop and promote competitive ICT industries in Kenya TO PARTICIPATE To participate, kindly contact the Public Panels team on [2]publicpanels@ict.go.ke . Please attach a brief profile of yourself and the sector that you represent. The Board will then formally invite you to participate in the Panel. While the formal invitations will be issued entirely at the discretion of the board, the broad criteria for participation is as follows:- * Demonstrated experience and knowledge in the sub-sector * Expressed willingness to serve pro bono * Demonstrated general understanding of the educational offering in the sector. We also welcome via email to [3]publicpanels@ict.go.ke written submission on this topic, representations and opinions from the sector towards this important exercise and they will also be collated with the report. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [4]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke [5]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [6]kamothonjenga@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at [7]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kamoth onjenga%40gmail.com References 1. mailto:alkags@alkags.com 2. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke 3. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke 4. mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke 5. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet 6. mailto:kamothonjenga@gmail.com 7. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kamothonjenga@gmail.com People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).
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Al Kags -
John Walubengo -
kamotho Njenga -
Liko Agosta -
Preston Odera -
waudo siganga