From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT Practioners Act
To: podera_2002@yahoo.com
Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 11:47 AM

Walu - the Accountants should not hand over anything. The Certificate
course we prepared for them is necessary to ensure that they are
computer literate. Conversely, ICT professionals need some basic
knowledge in accounts. Those of us who went tthrough the School of
Computing Science at Chiromo will remember that Introduction to
Accounting was an important service subject offered and moderated by the
department of Accounting to both undergraduate and Masters students. It
is necessary not to mix up service courses and certifications with
professionalism.

If you visited the page (www.ipthree.org) that I mentioned you will see
the first line reads "IT is a global industry. IT services are traded on
a massive scale and IT- related activity reacts to market forces and
moves in search of pools of professionally competent people. IT
practitioners too move around." Since IT people move around it is
necessary that anyone who claims to be "bright" in any area of IT
agree
to be subjected to examination and certification. Otherwise how can you
know who is who without papers? Even searching for a job in Microsoft
etc. the first thing they want to see is your papers. We should not
encourage ICT people to be LAZY and move around with no papers or
certifications simply in the name of "innovation". By the way it is
good
that YOU appear proud of YOUR OWN CERTIFICATIONS.

To quench your curiousity about my own professional certifications, I am
a Fellow of the Computer Society of Kenya (FCSK).
Waudo

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:25:04 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo"
<jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
> Relax Waudo and enjoy the beauty of Milan,
> 
> As for the caveat, I had already declared earlier that I sit on the
> KASNEB board (and several others) but did not wish to belabor the point
> lest I am also accused of increasing un-employment in Kenya ;-)
> 
> But however, plse take my questions in good faith since I was just trying
> to look at the big picture in terms of cordinating ICT initiatives.
> Infact, it may lead to the government asking KASNEB to retire or forward
> their ICT Examination program to the future ICT Institution! 
> 
> As for killing innovation, i was of the view that unlike other
> professionss, Lawyers, Accountants, Doctors, etc. ICT innovations seems
> to spring out of chaps that have no professional licensing restrictions -
> eBay, FaceBook, Microsoft, Google just to mention afew. 
> 
> You can imagine if the US government brought down Microsoft and Facebook
> because their creators were unlicensed Harvard dropouts with no power to
> practice.
>  
> walu - 
> Professionally Certified
> CCNA(2001), CISA (2005), SuSE Linux (2003) and awaiting Waudo's
> Certifications ;-). 
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 9/13/08, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT Practioners Act
> > To: "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 11:31 AM
> > Hi Walu,
> > First I think that when you are talking about KASNEB you
> > should issue a
> > caveat regarding your conflict of interest. You are making
> > some coins
> > marking their exams and it is natural you would wish to
> > protect that.
> > Another question, can the accountants agree for ICT
> > Professionals to
> > start offering accounting professional exams? I think there
> > would be a
> > riot. If I follow your duplication argument then we should
> > do away with
> > the Kenya School of Law and throw that to KASNEB as well.
> > 
> > As for killing innovation, maybe you can give me some
> > examples of
> > innovation that has been killed by the existence of LSK,
> > Medical and
> > Engineering bodies.
> > 
> > In general, I am completely perplexed why you appear so
> > keen to shoot
> > down the ICT Professionalism efforts????
> > 
> > Waudo
> > At IFIP Meeting in Milan,
> > Discussing ICT Professionalism (visit
> > http://www.ipthree.org/)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:13:09 -0700 (PDT), "John
> > Walubengo"
> > <jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
> > > Dr. Waudo, quite some thinking put in this document I
> > must admit. But
> > > just a few questions if I may.
> > > 
> > > 1. It looks like if I am not registered with the said
> > ICT practitioners
> > > Institute, then i cannot provide ICT services. More
> > like the LSKs,
> > > Medical and Engineers bodies.  Would this kill or
> > stimulate ICT
> > > innovation?
> > > 
> > > 2. There's a whole section creating an ICT
> > Examination Board, along the
> > > lines of KASNEB. Isnt this replicating national
> > resources?  Why not
> > > leverage or outsource that role to KASNEB (forget
> > it's otherwise
> > > Accounting origin and focus on its established,
> > rigorous and proven
> > > Examination track record.)
> > > 
> > > walu.
> > > 
> > > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, kamotho Njenga
> > <kamothonjenga@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: kamotho Njenga
> > <kamothonjenga@gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] "Draft" ICT
> > Practioners Act
> > > > To: jwalu@yahoo.com
> > > > Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy
> > Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > > Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:02 PM
> > > > Quite remarkable efforts, Waudo. The work  sets
> > up an
> > > > appropriate pedestal
> > > > for further contributions that will enable
> > academicians,
> > > > regulators,
> > > > managers,  employers et.al, to better appreciate
> > the ICT
> > > > professional
> > > > paradigms.
> > > > 
> > > > The draft forms a critical first step towards our
> > dream of
> > > > defining the ICT
> > > > profession in Kenya. It's  a  sacred endeavor
> >  which
> > > > should be entirely
> > > > isolated from all traces of the emerging Kenyan
> > version of
> > > > "ICT politics"
> > > > (Exclusion and sabotage of perceived critics).
> > > > 
> > > > If we collaboratively manage to generate an
> > amicable
> > > > framework that will
> > > > yield a streamlined and mainstreamed professional
> > sector,
> > > > we will have made
> > > > a solid foundation for the future growth of our
> > ICT
> > > > industry.
> > > > 
> > > > May the ICT Practitioners Management Act live to
> > see the
> > > > light of day!
> > > > 
> > > > Kamotho Njenga
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:57 PM, waudo siganga
> > > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I am just wondering how much
> > "Work" it would
> > > > take to formulate a
> > > > > legislative instrument to regualte ICT
> > qualifications
> > > > and profession. I
> > > > > notice most of the other instruments appear
> > similar
> > > > except for a few
> > > > > changes here and there. I have taken one and
> > put a few
> > > > changes to create
> > > > > an "ICT Practioners Management
> > Act" -
> > > > >
> > > >
> > www.cskonline.org/downloads/Proposed_ICT_Practioners_Act.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > Waudo
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
> > "John
> > > > Walubengo"
> > > > > <jwalu@yahoo.com> said:
> > > > > > Waudo,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I beg to differ (disclosure: probably
> > because I
> > > > sit on the KASNEB ICT
> > > > > > Syllabus Board) on two accounts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. That the KASNEB ICT syllabus is for
> > > > Accountants and
> > > > > > 2. That KICT Board should have nothing
> > to do with
> > > > KASNEB.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Count 1: Syllabi for Accountants?
> > > > > > The KASNEB ICT syllabus is aimed to
> > create
> > > > mid-level, technical personnel
> > > > > > in the ICT sector. Any  doubting expert
> > can visit
> > > > > > http://www.kasneb.or.ke/cict.htm to see
> > the
> > > > course outline which
> > > > > > incidentally you (Waudo and I)
> > contributed to in
> > > > 2005. In addition, this
> > > > > > syallabus is already under review by
> > another Task
> > > > force to make it more
> > > > > > relevant (tell me which
> > university/college here
> > > > in Kenya reviews their
> > > > > > syllabus in such turn-around record
> > times?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Count 2: ICT board has/should have
> > nothing to do
> > > > with KASNEB?
> > > > > > I think ICT board has an interest in
> > the ICT
> > > > technical capacity in this
> > > > > > country.  It would be futile to market
> > Kenya as
> > > > an ICT destination, when
> > > > > > one knows the gaps or inadequacy we
> > have
> > > > particularly at the levels that
> > > > > > our Polytechnics (now all rushing to be
> > > > universities) used to address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Finally, KASNEB has an Accounting
> > background but
> > > > is moving into providing
> > > > > > their Examination Expertise into other
> > areas
> > > > (ICT, Actural Science, etc)
> > > > > > and you are right:-They have a legal
> > mandate and
> > > > parliamentary basis for
> > > > > > this. Something the Computer Soceity of
> > Kenya,
> > > > ITSA and other ICT
> > > > > > professional bodies have sought to no
> > avail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Probably Waudo, could your worry be
> > that KASNEB
> > > > maybe introducing
> > > > > > 'unnecessary' competition in
> > that space?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > walu.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, waudo siganga
> > > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: waudo siganga
> > > > <emailsignet@mailcan.com>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Review,
> > identify
> > > > gaps and enhance the quality
> > > > > of the Certificate of ICT (CICT)
> > qualification
> > > > > > > To: jwalu@yahoo.com
> > > > > > > Cc: amosoba@ict.go.ke,
> > "KICTAnet ICT
> > > > Policy Discussions" <
> > > > > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > > > > > > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008,
> > 6:53 PM
> > > > > > > Why is partnering with KASNEB a
> > > > "Strategic
> > > > > > > Objective' of the ICT
> > > > > > > Board? Does it mean that the Board
> > sees the
> > > > running of ICT
> > > > > > > examinations and, presumably,
> > > > professionalism as a
> > > > > > > responsibility
> > > > > > > of accountants? To me the
> > strategic
> > > > objective should be to
> > > > > > > ensure
> > > > > > > ICT education and professionalism
> > are
> > > > established under
> > > > > > > statutory
> > > > > > > recognition in their own right.
> > The only
> > > > advantage
> > > > > > > accountants
> > > > > > > have is the statutory recognition
> > and if we
> > > > plan properly
> > > > > > > we will
> > > > > > > reach there. I do not want to
> > derail this
> > > > new partnership
> > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > hope it is short term.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW KASNEB does not have the
> > technical
> > > > capacity to make any
> > > > > > > ICT
> > > > > > > Syllabus. They had to call in a
> > team of ICT
> > > > experts,
> > > > > > > including
> > > > > > > me, to write the CICT syllabus for
> > them. The
> > > > syllabus we
> > > > > > > made out
> > > > > > > is geared for accountants.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > > > Waudo
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:47:20 +0300,
> > "Al
> > > > Kags"
> > > > > > > <alkags@alkags.com> said:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   The Kenya ICT Board and KASNEB
> > have formed
> > > > a partnership
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >   review, identify gaps and
> > enhance the
> > > > quality of the
> > > > > > >   Certificate of ICT (CICT)
> > qualification
> > > > that is managed
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > >   KASNEB and offered by various
> > ICT
> > > > institutions in Kenya.
> > > > > > > This
> > > > > > >   collaboration will cover, among
> > other
> > > > areas:-
> > > > > > >   * Working together towards
> > enhancing
> > > > quality ICT skills
> > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > >     country
> > > > > > >   * Marketing CICT to get industry
> > buy in
> > > > and endorsement
> > > > > > > at the
> > > > > > >     same level as CPA.
> > > > > > >   * Collaborate in conducting a
> > baseline
> > > > study/survey to
> > > > > > >     determine the deficiency of
> > ICT skills
> > > > and type of
> > > > > > > skills
> > > > > > >     required.
> > > > > > >   * Collaborate to lobby for
> > appropriate
> > > > legal provisions
> > > > > > > for the
> > > > > > >     establishment of an Institute
> > for the
> > > > CICT graduates,
> > > > > > >     recognizing KASNEB as the
> > examining and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > certification
> > > > > > >     body for ICT graduates.
> > > > > > >   * Work to gain industry
> > acceptance of CICT
> > > > certification
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > >     same quality rating as CPA.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   The Kenya ICT Board wishes to
> > convene an
> > > > ICT Public Panel
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >   develop industry and stake
> > holder input
> > > > into the review.
> > > > > > > We
> > > > > > >   invite the participation of key
> > sector
> > > > players in the
> > > > > > > industry
> > > > > > >   on a voluntary basis, as
> > represented
> > > > below:-
> > > > > > >   * Industry players (IT products
> > and
> > > > services
> > > > > > >     suppliers/manufactures
> > including
> > > > Developer Community,
> > > > > > >     Skunkworks etc)  - 5
> > representatives
> > > > > > >   * Business Process Outsourcing
> > and Call
> > > > Centres - 2
> > > > > > >     representatives
> > > > > > >   * Colleges      representatives
> > - 3
> > > > representatives
> > > > > > >   * University     
> > representatives - 3
> > > > representatives
> > > > > > >   * Student representatives
> > &#8211; 5
> > > > > > >   * Related government
> > ministry's
> > > > representatives - 3
> > > > > > >   * Multinational Corporations - 2
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   TORs of the Panel.
> > > > > > >   To review the state of ICT
> > skills in Kenya
> > > > with a view to
> > > > > > >   identifying gaps and therefore
> > make
> > > > recommendations for
> > > > > > >   addressing those gaps as seen in
> > a global
> > > > context. The
> > > > > > > Public
> > > > > > >   Panel deliberations will be made
> > out of a
> > > > maximum of
> > > > > > > three
> > > > > > >   meetings at the Kenya ICT Board
> > Offices on
> > > > Waiyaki way
> > > > > > >   specifically on: -
> > > > > > >   * Tuesday, September      9,
> > 2008 at 10 am
> > > > > > >   * Tuesday, September      16,
> > 2008 at 10
> > > > am
> > > > > > >   * Tuesday, September      23,
> > 2008 at 10
> > > > am
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   The recommendations will be
> > presented to
> > > > KASNEB for the
> > > > > > > review
> > > > > > >   of the Certification Curriculum,
> > on
> > > > September 26, 2008 at
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > >   venue to be communicated closer
> > to the
> > > > date.
> > > > > > >   This initiative is guided by the
> > Kenya ICT
> > > > Board's
> > > > > > > Strategic
> > > > > > >   Objectives, mainly:
> > > > > > >   * To develop and promote
> > competitive ICT
> > > > Institutions in
> > > > > > > Kenya
> > > > > > >   * To develop and promote
> > competitive ICT
> > > > industries in
> > > > > > > Kenya
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   TO PARTICIPATE
> > > > > > >   To participate, kindly contact
> > the Public
> > > > Panels team on
> > > > > > >   [1]publicpanels@ict.go.ke .
> > Please attach
> > > > a brief profile
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >   yourself and the sector that you
> > > > represent. The Board
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > >   then formally invite you to
> > participate in
> > > > the Panel.
> > > > > > > While
> > > > > > >   the formal invitations will be
> > issued
> > > > entirely at the
> > > > > > >   discretion of the board, the
> > broad
> > > > criteria for
> > > > > > > participation
> > > > > > >   is as follows:-
> > > > > > >   * Demonstrated experience and
> > knowledge in
> > > > the sub-sector
> > > > > > >   * Expressed willingness to serve
> > pro bono
> > > > > > >   * Demonstrated general
> > understanding of
> > > > the educational
> > > > > > >     offering in the sector.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   We also welcome via email to
> > > > [2]publicpanels@ict.go.ke
> > > > > > > written
> > > > > > >   submission on this topic,
> > representations
> > > > and opinions
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > >   the sector towards this
> > important exercise
> > > > and they will
> > > > > > > also
> > > > > > >   be collated with the report.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > References
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke
> > > > > > > 2. mailto:publicpanels@ict.go.ke
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