Agenda Bashing - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum
Hi all, So let's start off with a few days of throwing around possible agenda areas. This hould give us a sense of what issues have high priority and how much time we need to set aside to deal with them. I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your proposals as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then other (or yourself) can contribute add/subtract. Then after a reasonable period we can coalesce these inputs into a single agenda for the meeting and also decide on what format would best suit the dialogue/debate on thiat particular item. e.g. for the different ICT organisations I think a Panel format, where each group gets 15 minutes to "share" - then the audience gets a chance to "interact" - and a session moderator does a wrap up. another thing that I think would be good is to have an "Open Mic" session where for a period of time any participant can air/vent any view for 3 minutes. any other suggestions? Regards, Brian
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your proposals as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then other (or yourself) can contribute add/subtract.
Brian - This is also called 'moving forward'. Thanks for getting us here. I think the first agenda could be the facilitation issue before it gets out of hand. Dr. Ndemo has already demonstrated 'top of the pyramid' leadership by agreeing to host the forum. By extension, maybe we could all be happy if we agreed a body mandated to drive policy e.g. National Communications Secretariat facilitates the session. I am thinking Dr. Kulubi...Eng. Kariuki. [My immediate thoughts].
Hi Bill, I would venture to suggest that since the NCS is such a key stakeholder they are the *last* to be considered for facilitating such a session. They have to come fully armed with arguments and defenses just like any of the other major actors in the ICT sector. I would probably favour someone like Florence Etta, or if we have to come closer to home, then someone with excellent diplomatic skills like Ambassador Mrs. Tabitha Seii, who I'm sure with a good briefing would provide us with excellent moderation. Mblayo On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your proposals as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then other (or yourself) can contribute add/subtract.
Brian - This is also called 'moving forward'. Thanks for getting us here.
I think the first agenda could be the facilitation issue before it gets out of hand. Dr. Ndemo has already demonstrated 'top of the pyramid' leadership by agreeing to host the forum. By extension, maybe we could all be happy if we agreed a body mandated to drive policy e.g. National Communications Secretariat facilitates the session. I am thinking Dr. Kulubi...Eng. Kariuki.
[My immediate thoughts].
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I would venture to suggest that since the NCS is such a key stakeholder they are the *last* to be considered for facilitating such a session.
Now we are talking my brother. In my opinion (I might be wrong), NCS has been lacking the capacity to handle policy possibly because of this kind of thinking...which we should probably change. The Act that creates NCS states that their function is; Part VII of the Act covers sections 84 to 103. Section 84 establishes the National Communications Secretariat as a Ministerial department in the Ministry in charge of communications. The function of the Secretariat is to advise the government on communications policy which: - promotes the benefits of technological development to all users of communication facilities; - fosters national safety and security, economic prosperity and delivery of critical social services; - facilitates and contributes to full development of competition and efficiency on the provisions of services; and, - fosters full and efficient use of telecommunication resources including radio spectrum. I would dare to suggest that this is the first issue we need to change. Give the NCS their rightful place to PROMOTE, FOSTER, FACILITATE the full development of ICT. At the very least, they are not biases to any enrtity...Industry, Consumer or activist. We put NCS in the periphery in the last ICT policy project...maybe that was our undoing!! At the very least, the Act demands..and we must abide. And they are not biased. Anyone else ...especially...and individual....might be influenced, biased or bought. Again...my initial thoughts..I could be wrong.
Oops, shriekkk, screeech.... I hope that sounded like brakes.... On the contrary my brother Bill, the last major policy action that KicTanet was involved in was the finalization of the National ICT policy. NCS were very closely involved n this... Tulifsnya Kazi kabisa.... But you miss my point. NCS is the *implementor* of policy views gathered from the populace. They have the responsibility of interpreting all the wishes and demands and turning those into actionable policy recommendations. Having them facilitate would be like having Ghost Mulee referee between Harambee Stars and Indomitable Lions. But, and please get me here. What we intend to do would almost be meaningless and very shallow if we did not have their full and total participation. I hope I am coming through clearly? Brian Sent from my iPhone On 15 Jul 2008, at 3:40 PM, "Bill Kagai" <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: I would venture to suggest that since the NCS is such a key stakeholder they are the *last* to be considered for facilitating such a session.
Now we are talking my brother. In my opinion (I might be wrong), NCS has been lacking the capacity to handle policy possibly because of this kind of thinking...which we should probably change.
The Act that creates NCS states that their function is; Part VII of the Act covers sections 84 to 103. Section 84 establishes the National Communications Secretariat as a Ministerial department in the Ministry in charge of communications. The function of the Secretariat is to advise the government on communications policy which: promotes the benefits of technological development to all users of communication facilities; fosters national safety and security, economic prosperity and delivery of critical social services; facilitates and contributes to full development of competition and efficiency on the provisions of services; and, fosters full and efficient use of telecommunication resources including radio spectrum. I would dare to suggest that this is the first issue we need to change. Give the NCS their rightful place to PROMOTE, FOSTER, FACILITATE the full development of ICT. At the very least, they are not biases to any enrtity...Industry, Consumer or activist. We put NCS in the periphery in the last ICT policy project...maybe that was our undoing!!
At the very least, the Act demands..and we must abide. And they are not biased. Anyone else ...especially...and individual....might be influenced, biased or bought.
Again...my initial thoughts..I could be wrong. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
But you miss my point. NCS is the *implementor* of policy views gathered from the populace. They have the responsibility of interpreting all the wishes and demands and turning those into actionable policy recommendations.
In other words, the buck stops with them. Instead of taking churned notes to them to convert into policy, why don't we set them up and make them responsible for the thought process so that they can know how to phrase the policy so that all views are articulated. In other..other.... words, lets do it differently this time round. PS..With no reference to anyone, a pal once asked me to define stupidity. He told me its the art of doing the same thing, the same way, over and over again and expecting different results. We need a new team doing the policy this time round. Since we have tried it one way before, why not embrace 'Here Be Dragons<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_be_dragons>' and venture into un-charted waters. But if the rest feel otherwise, I will not belabour the point...but concur with what the majority decides and move on.
From the recent exchanges it is abundantly clear that many don't realise the
Heh! Bill-Oh, We are not meeting to define a policy for government. We are meeting to take stock of Kenya's ICT sector and the various organisations that represent different interest groups therein. In the process we "might" have time to cover some of the other issues raised here. But first and foremost we must desmystify (I almost said demist) the organisational aspects of representation within the ICT sector. purpose, role and functions of many of these entities (KICTANET) included - and it's also clear that some of the organisations need to respond to various criticisms being levelled against them. I beg to assert that NCS is one such organisation - why can't we challenge, critique and examine the organisation and gauge it's performance and relevance? Why can't we have them on the podium along with KIF, CSK, KICTANET and others - sharing (and justifying) their reason for existence? None of this will stop them from capturing any of the various inputs and channeling them into their policy processes. Ahsante, Brian On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
But you miss my point. NCS is the *implementor* of policy views gathered from the populace. They have the responsibility of interpreting all the wishes and demands and turning those into actionable policy recommendations.
In other words, the buck stops with them. Instead of taking churned notes to them to convert into policy, why don't we set them up and make them responsible for the thought process so that they can know how to phrase the policy so that all views are articulated.
In other..other.... words, lets do it differently this time round.
PS..With no reference to anyone, a pal once asked me to define stupidity. He told me its the art of doing the same thing, the same way, over and over again and expecting different results. We need a new team doing the policy this time round.
Since we have tried it one way before, why not embrace 'Here Be Dragons<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_be_dragons>' and venture into un-charted waters.
But if the rest feel otherwise, I will not belabour the point...but concur with what the majority decides and move on.
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Ama Florence + JR (in own capacity). He came for the Norfolk debate. On Tue, 7/15/08, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Agenda Bashing - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum To: alex.gakuru@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 5:23 AM Hi Bill,
I would venture to suggest that since the NCS is such a key stakeholder they are the *last* to be considered for facilitating such a session. They have to come fully armed with arguments and defenses just like any of the other major actors in the ICT sector.
I would probably favour someone like Florence Etta, or if we have to come closer to home, then someone with excellent diplomatic skills like Ambassador Mrs. Tabitha Seii, who I'm sure with a good briefing would provide us with excellent moderation.
Mblayo
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Brian Longwe
<blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I would suggest that we have a freestyle
as a title with a short paragraph describing the
discussion - send your proposals point - then other (or
yourself) can contribute add/subtract.
Brian - This is also called 'moving forward'. Thanks for getting us here.
I think the first agenda could be the facilitation issue before it gets out of hand. Dr. Ndemo has already demonstrated 'top of the pyramid' leadership by agreeing to host the forum. By extension, maybe we could all be happy if we agreed a body mandated to drive policy e.g. National Communications Secretariat facilitates the session. I am thinking Dr. Kulubi...Eng. Kariuki.
[My immediate thoughts].
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Fred Murunga, or TESPOK and formerly of AOL is an excellent person at this and fully understands the Industry. Fred? Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Longwe To: Gilda Odera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Agenda Bashing - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum Hi Bill, I would venture to suggest that since the NCS is such a key stakeholder they are the *last* to be considered for facilitating such a session. They have to come fully armed with arguments and defenses just like any of the other major actors in the ICT sector. I would probably favour someone like Florence Etta, or if we have to come closer to home, then someone with excellent diplomatic skills like Ambassador Mrs. Tabitha Seii, who I'm sure with a good briefing would provide us with excellent moderation. Mblayo On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your proposals as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then other (or yourself) can contribute add/subtract. Brian - This is also called 'moving forward'. Thanks for getting us here. I think the first agenda could be the facilitation issue before it gets out of hand. Dr. Ndemo has already demonstrated 'top of the pyramid' leadership by agreeing to host the forum. By extension, maybe we could all be happy if we agreed a body mandated to drive policy e.g. National Communications Secretariat facilitates the session. I am thinking Dr. Kulubi...Eng. Kariuki. [My immediate thoughts]. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: blongwe@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: + 254 722 518 744 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: godera@skyweb.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke __________ NOD32 3263 (20080711) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Can I suggest the The Chief Science Secretary in the Ministry of Science and Technology David Otwoma who has just successfully chaired the Standards Committee of the BPO discussion? Well travelled, well spoken and with great leadership skills Joe On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your proposals as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then other (or yourself) can contribute add/subtract.
Brian - This is also called 'moving forward'. Thanks for getting us here.
I think the first agenda could be the facilitation issue before it gets out of hand. Dr. Ndemo has already demonstrated 'top of the pyramid' leadership by agreeing to host the forum. By extension, maybe we could all be happy if we agreed a body mandated to drive policy e.g. National Communications Secretariat facilitates the session. I am thinking Dr. Kulubi...Eng. Kariuki.
[My immediate thoughts].
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Hi All - I have been away all day but see good progress towards organizing a meeting. As I am held up I will go by the suggestions of Bw Manthi. Waudo On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:43:56 -0400, "Joseph Manthi" <jmanthi@gmail.com> s aid: Can I suggest the The Chief Science Secretary in the Ministry of Science and Technology David Otwoma who has just successfully chaired the Standards Committee of the BPO discussion? Well travelled, well spoken and with great leadership skills Joe On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Bill Kagai <[1]billkagai@gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Brian Longwe <[2]blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your proposals as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then other (or yourself) can contribute add/subtract. Brian - This is also called 'moving forward'. Thanks for getting us here. I think the first agenda could be the facilitation issue before it gets out of hand. Dr. Ndemo has already demonstrated 'top of the pyramid' leadership by agreeing to host the forum. By extension, maybe we could all be happy if we agreed a body mandated to drive policy e.g. National Communications Secretariat facilitates the session. I am thinking Dr. Kulubi...Eng. Kariuki. [My immediate thoughts]. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [3]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke [4]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [5]jmanthi@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at [6]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jmanth i%40gmail.com -- Joseph Manthi CEO MEO Ltd [7]http://www.meoltd.com References 1. mailto:billkagai@gmail.com 2. mailto:blongwe@gmail.com 3. mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke 4. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet 5. mailto:jmanthi@gmail.com 6. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jmanthi@gmail.com 7. http://www.meoltd.com/ People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).
Joe, You flatter me. Our Society (http://www.kenyabposociety.or.ke/) has an able Chair and she would best articulate us on such a forum as evolving from here. In addition to the contemporary positions of chair, secretary and treasurer as required by the relevant regulations we also have evolved special Committees (e.g. Standard & Ethics which I chair and have seven members, but more important Training, Marketing, Membership, Events....among others). We also are young, just turned one year and hence would learn more from our seniors here who have been in the game for longer times. However, we pride ourselves as trail blazers in BPO & CC and are having teething issues. But we wont develop crooked teeth, with your watchfullness, hopefully. You flatter me. Kind regards, David On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote:
Can I suggest the The Chief Science Secretary in the Ministry of Science and Technology David Otwoma who has just successfully chaired the Standards Committee of the BPO discussion?
Well travelled, well spoken and with great leadership skills
Joe
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your proposals as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then other (or yourself) can contribute add/subtract.
Brian - This is also called 'moving forward'. Thanks for getting us here.
I think the first agenda could be the facilitation issue before it gets out of hand. Dr. Ndemo has already demonstrated 'top of the pyramid' leadership by agreeing to host the forum. By extension, maybe we could all be happy if we agreed a body mandated to drive policy e.g. National Communications Secretariat facilitates the session. I am thinking Dr. Kulubi...Eng. Kariuki.
[My immediate thoughts].
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And humble too That's why I propose him Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2008, at 1:26 PM, "David Otwoma" <otwomad@gmail.com> wrote:
Joe,
You flatter me.
Our Society (http://www.kenyabposociety.or.ke/) has an able Chair and she would best articulate us on such a forum as evolving from here. In addition to the contemporary positions of chair, secretary and treasurer as required by the relevant regulations we also have evolved special Committees (e.g. Standard & Ethics which I chair and have seven members, but more important Training, Marketing, Membership, Events....among others).
We also are young, just turned one year and hence would learn more from our seniors here who have been in the game for longer times. However, we pride ourselves as trail blazers in BPO & CC and are having teething issues. But we wont develop crooked teeth, with your watchfullness, hopefully.
You flatter me.
Kind regards,
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote:
Can I suggest the The Chief Science Secretary in the Ministry of Science and Technology David Otwoma who has just successfully chaired the Standards Committee of the BPO discussion?
Well travelled, well spoken and with great leadership skills
Joe
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your proposals as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then other (or yourself) can contribute add/subtract.
Brian - This is also called 'moving forward'. Thanks for getting us here.
I think the first agenda could be the facilitation issue before it gets out of hand. Dr. Ndemo has already demonstrated 'top of the pyramid' leadership by agreeing to host the forum. By extension, maybe we could all be happy if we agreed a body mandated to drive policy e.g. National Communications Secretariat facilitates the session. I am thinking Dr. Kulubi...Eng. Kariuki.
[My immediate thoughts].
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Here is my first attempt to the agenda Harry +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. Forum Objectives "Clearly articulate the purpose of the forum and the expected outputs, this is important so that we can have a focussed discussion" 2. Association presentations "Brief presentations by the associations sharing their mandate, governance, objectives, activities, achievements, plans and membership composition" 3. General Discussion "Questions, Answers, Concerns etc raising from the association presentations@ 4. Way forward "General discussion on how associations could collaborate and offer high quality leadership to the sector. Agree on joint activities that have a national appeal that can work as bonding sessions" From: Brian Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: 15 July 2008 13:01 To: harry@africanedevelopment.org Cc: kictanet-lists Subject: [kictanet] Agenda Bashing - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum Hi all, So let's start off with a few days of throwing around possible agenda areas. This hould give us a sense of what issues have high priority and how much time we need to set aside to deal with them. I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your proposals as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then other (or yourself) can contribute add/subtract. Then after a reasonable period we can coalesce these inputs into a single agenda for the meeting and also decide on what format would best suit the dialogue/debate on thiat particular item. e.g. for the different ICT organisations I think a Panel format, where each group gets 15 minutes to "share" - then the audience gets a chance to "interact" - and a session moderator does a wrap up. another thing that I think would be good is to have an "Open Mic" session where for a period of time any participant can air/vent any view for 3 minutes. any other suggestions? Regards, Brian Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1546 - Release Date: 11/07/2008 06:47
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