btw, vuta aerial... saka "chwani" hapa: www.sheng.co.ke, pamoja!  ________________________________ From: ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> To: "eonchari@lynxbits.com" <eonchari@lynxbits.com> Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS Rather than remaining adamantly fixed on a now realistically bygone era of afresh reconstruction of entirely new, singly-owned, ICT empires - from ground-up, perhaps the said NTHs should consider newer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coopetition business models approach to growing their tech biasharas at Konza. How many of the multinationals currently interested in setting shop at Konza do *everything* inhouse? Unfortunately, adopting "rebel" NTH tag does not make global realities go away. my chwani ;-)  ________________________________ From: "eonchari@lynxbits.com" <eonchari@lynxbits.com> To: ict.researcher@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS @ Liko, As VP put it rightly at the launch...we need more "crazy" Dr Ndemos to make things happen...therefore, as a Nairobi Tech Hustler, I shall take me to Konza and Hustle there 'till I make it...this is a good project and we should be  proud that it is now on course...of course criticism is healthy and must be tolerated in a democracy - and I am sure the many critics within and without this forum did +vely influence the approach of this project over the years Therefore, Kudos to Dr. Ndemo and your team  for a job well done thus far Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: jwalu@yahoo.comTo: eonchari@lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 1/23/13 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS @Liko, You/Pesapal is a big player...and you should be there hustling with the big boys at Konza Technopolis. Dream big, and you will be surprised how soon your dreams come true. For me, Konza is an example of what we as a country are capable of. A break from the past, where we compared ourselves to our neighbours (e.g Somalia with apologies) and a leap into comparing ourselves with where we belong (read Malaysia, Singapore et. al.) Lets aim for the Sun, because the worst that can happen is that we land on the moon.  Rather than aim for the main, and by 2030, we shall still be here on earth :-)   walu. ________________________________ From: Agosta Liko To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS Mr Nduati Raising concerns and shaping decisions does not make one a doubting Thomas but the, this thing is for HP, Oracle, Microsoft ... not Nairobi Hustle Tech Thanks On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:49 PM, charles nduati <charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi Daktari Ndemo and Your team,

Congratulations on the ground breaking ceremony tomorrow. I wonder where the doubting Thomases are. Have a great day and let us know where the party will be thereafter

Kudos all

Charles Nduati  

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But what is this technology we speak of? Is technology only to do with coding in the vacuum of infrastructure? Heavy infrastructure building is in my opinion the only way to ensure there is enough resources to support high technology. Building a city from the ground up will allow proper planning and sustainability if the vested interests are not allowed to hijack the entire process. I say go ahead and if it doesn't work then so be it. Whats the alternative? Keep trying to panel beat Nairobi? On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:38 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Researcher,

Tell me how do I write a string in C to add from 1 to 100 using the sheng language?

After we have convinced our youth to develop the sheng language which of the 200,000 jobs do we expect them to be hired for when Fedex, IBM, Google and Huawei setup at Konza

1. Night sweeper, 2. Gardener, 3. Solar panel cleaner 4. Database optimisation architect

Regards

PS. I retain my position that Konza is a construction project not a technology project as confirmed by Dr. Ndemo's statements on twitter yesterday

*Bitange Ndemo* @*bantigito* <https://twitter.com/bantigito> #*Konza* <https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Konza&src=hash> Technology City will consist of (1 of 1): 1) Modern BPO Park 2) Science Park 3) Convention Center. 4) Mega Mall. 5) Data Centres.

23 Jan <https://twitter.com/bantigito/status/293964535570776064> *Bitange Ndemo* @*bantigito* <https://twitter.com/bantigito> #*Konza* <https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Konza&src=hash> Technology City will consist of (2 of 1): 1) World-class Hotels 2) Local and International Schools 3) World Class Hospitals.

*Bitange Ndemo* @*bantigito* <https://twitter.com/bantigito> #*Konza* <https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Konza&src=hash> Technology City will consist of (3 of 1) :1) Championship Golf Course, 2) Financial District, 3) High Speed Mass Transport System.

*Bitange Ndemo* @*bantigito* <https://twitter.com/bantigito> #*Konza* <https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Konza&src=hash> Technology City will consist of (4 of 1): 1) Residential Housing, 2) Superior Modern Integrated Infrastructure, among other features.

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 24 January 2013, 8:04

*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

btw, vuta aerial... saka "chwani" hapa: www.sheng.co.ke, pamoja!

------------------------------ *From:* ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> *To:* "eonchari@lynxbits.com" <eonchari@lynxbits.com> *Cc:* "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:46 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

Rather than remaining adamantly fixed on a now realistically bygone era of afresh reconstruction of entirely new, singly-owned, ICT empires - from ground-up, perhaps the said NTHs should consider newer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coopetition business models approach to growing their tech biasharas at Konza. How many of the multinationals currently interested in setting shop at Konza do *everything* inhouse? Unfortunately, adopting "rebel" NTH tag does not make global realities go away.

my chwani ;-)

------------------------------ *From:* "eonchari@lynxbits.com" <eonchari@lynxbits.com> *To:* ict.researcher@yahoo.com *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:42 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

@ Liko,

As VP put it rightly at the launch...we need more "crazy" Dr Ndemos to make things happen...therefore, as a Nairobi Tech Hustler, I shall take me to Konza and Hustle there 'till I make it...this is a good project and we should be proud that it is now on course...of course criticism is healthy and must be tolerated in a democracy - and I am sure the many critics within and without this forum did +vely influence the approach of this project over the years

Therefore, Kudos to Dr. Ndemo and your team for a job well done thus far

Edwin

----- Original Message ----- *From:* jwalu@yahoo.com *To:* eonchari@lynxbits.com* Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* 1/23/13 10:30 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

@Liko,

You/Pesapal is a big player...and you should be there hustling with the big boys at Konza Technopolis. Dream big, and you will be surprised how soon your dreams come true.

For me, Konza is an example of what we as a country are capable of. A break from the past, where we compared ourselves to our neighbours (e.g Somalia with apologies) and a leap into comparing ourselves with where we belong (read Malaysia, Singapore et. al.)

Lets aim for the Sun, because the worst that can happen is that we land on the moon. Rather than aim for the main, and by 2030, we shall still be here on earth :-)

walu.

------------------------------ *From:* Agosta Liko *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:36 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

Mr Nduati

Raising concerns and shaping decisions does not make one a doubting Thomas

but the, this thing is for HP, Oracle, Microsoft ... not Nairobi Hustle Tech

Thanks

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:49 PM, charles nduati < charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Daktari Ndemo and Your team,

Congratulations on the ground breaking ceremony tomorrow. I wonder where the doubting Thomases are. Have a great day and let us know where the party will be thereafter

Kudos all

Charles Nduati

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Phares, You raise a very pertinent issue, why do we prefer to build afresh rather than fix what is broken, as a multi lingual forum I would like us to carry out the following exercise Can every one of us please post the word in their mother-tongue that has an equivalent meaning to the english word "maintain" indicate the tongue followed by the word. Regards   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013, 10:39 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS I don't buy that argument… I'm quite sure New York is more built out than Nairobi…  http://qz.com/45728/new-york-is-now-a-better-place-to-start-your-tech-compan... Nairobi doesn't qualify as a heavily built city. With roughly the same amount of acreage, New York has a population of 8M and serves a metropolis of 18M (roughly 40% of .ke's population).The problem is that we are not using land rates as the incentive they should be to encourage people to build northwards and not hoard land. If land rates were high enough, apartments blocks would hold more people, office blocks (especially) would hold more people to ease the pressure on residential land. Obviously, we would need the City Council to come in and provide necessary goods, but the systemic failure to do so (across towns in the country) is something that needs to be addressed even as we move to Konza to avoid a repeat of the same. How easy is it to do business, get permits etc. issues that need to be resolved, aside from Konza.  This has nothing to do with Konza per-se, just the notion that Nairobi is beyond saving. Cities last hundreds/thousands of years (Rome, London, Paris, Istanbul, Jerusalem etc). We just need to learn how to fix these problems. From my perspective this is a larger development issue. We see this all over the place when it comes to development in the country. Toss out the education system, replace it with another (instead of figuring out what's wrong with the current system and gently correcting it, to avoid systemic shocks, which tend to have more consequences than an easing of the same - simple example, 8.4.4. and the 18-22 month waiting period before you joined a university - finally resolved last year).  On Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mark Mwangi wrote: But what is this technology we speak of? Is technology only to do with coding in the vacuum of infrastructure?

Heavy infrastructure building is in my opinion the only way to ensure there is enough resources to support high technology. Building a city from the ground up will allow proper planning and sustainability if the vested interests are not allowed to hijack the entire process. 

I say go ahead and if it doesn't work then so be it. Whats the alternative? Keep trying to panel beat Nairobi?

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:38 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Researcher,

...

Tell me how do I write a string in C to add from 1 to 100 using the sheng language?

After we have convinced our youth to develop the sheng language which of the 200,000 jobs do we expect them to be hired for when Fedex, IBM, Google and Huawei setup at Konza

    1.  Night sweeper,     2.  Gardener,     3.  Solar panel cleaner     4.  Database optimisation architect

Regards

PS.  I retain my position that Konza is a construction project not a technology project as confirmed by Dr. Ndemo's statements on twitter yesterday

Bitange Ndemo @bantigito #Konza Technology City will consist of (1 of 1): 1) Modern BPO Park 2) Science Park 3) Convention Center. 4) Mega Mall. 5) Data Centres.

23 Jan Bitange Ndemo @bantigito #Konza Technology City will consist of (2 of 1): 1) World-class Hotels 2) Local and International Schools 3) World Class Hospitals.

Bitange Ndemo @bantigito #Konza Technology City will consist of (3 of 1) :1) Championship Golf Course,

...

Bitange Ndemo @bantigito #Konza Technology City will consist of (4 of 1): 1) Residential Housing, 2)

Superior Modern Integrated Infrastructure, among other features.

...

  Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

________________________________ From: ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013, 8:04

Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

btw, vuta aerial... saka "chwani" hapa: www.sheng.co.ke, pamoja! 

________________________________ From: ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> To: "eonchari@lynxbits.com" <eonchari@lynxbits.com> Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

Rather than remaining adamantly fixed on a now realistically bygone era of afresh reconstruction of entirely new, singly-owned, ICT empires - from ground-up, perhaps the said NTHs should consider newer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coopetition business models approach to growing their tech biasharas at Konza. How many of the multinationals currently interested in setting shop at Konza do *everything* inhouse? Unfortunately, adopting "rebel" NTH tag does not make global realities go away.

my chwani ;-) 

________________________________ From: "eonchari@lynxbits.com" <eonchari@lynxbits.com> To: ict.researcher@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

@ Liko,

As VP put it rightly at the launch...we need more "crazy" Dr Ndemos to make things happen...therefore, as a Nairobi Tech Hustler, I shall take me to Konza and Hustle there 'till I make it...this is a good project and we should be  proud that it is now on course...of course criticism is healthy and must be tolerated in a democracy - and I am sure the many critics within and without this forum did +vely influence the approach of this project over the years

Therefore, Kudos to Dr. Ndemo and your team  for a job well done thus far

Edwin

----- Original Message -----

From: jwalu@yahoo.comTo: eonchari@lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 1/23/13 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

@Liko,

You/Pesapal is a big player...and you should be there hustling with the big boys at Konza Technopolis. Dream big, and you will be surprised how soon your dreams come true.

For me, Konza is an example of what we as a country are capable of. A break from the past, where we compared ourselves to our neighbours (e.g Somalia with apologies) and a leap into comparing ourselves with where we belong (read Malaysia, Singapore et. al.)

Lets aim for the Sun, because the worst that can happen is that we land on the moon.  Rather than aim for the main, and by 2030, we shall still be here on earth :-)   walu.

________________________________ From: Agosta Liko To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

Mr Nduati

Raising concerns and shaping decisions does not make one a doubting Thomas

but the, this thing is for HP, Oracle, Microsoft ... not Nairobi Hustle Tech

Thanks

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:49 PM, charles nduati <charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Daktari Ndemo and Your team,

...

Congratulations on the ground breaking ceremony tomorrow. I wonder where the doubting Thomases are. Have a great day and let us know where the party will be thereafter

Kudos all

Charles Nduati  

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We are not looking to do the easiest thing, we are trying to do the right thing, long term. As I suggested, land rates have traditionally been used to do that. New York had similar issues. London had similar issues. Beijing has had similar issues. We are not the first to do this nor will we be the last. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Tenement_House_Act [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Law_Tenement A simpl(er) solution for example (given that we still need to live in Nairobi until Konza is complete and that even after that, the government will still reside within Nairobi) is to pass new laws concerning buildings in commercial areas. You can pass a law that says that all buildings should have x parking bays for every 100sq ft of office space (this number can be a decimal). That they should be a minimum of 12 floors (not including the parking bays). This eases pressure on the council parking (which can then be reclaimed by the government for the purpose of wider roads) - obviously this is a long term plan, but as Rousseau pointed out states necessarily need to have longer term thinking as they exist beyond the lifetime of human beings (his context was negative though). We still have a lot of land that is poorly used. The reason why property prices are ridiculously high is because the land rates do not encourage development. My point is, a lot can be done that goes beyond building a new city. We need to figure out why the cities that developed organically (in-spite of the challenges that exist) developed and what can be done to accelerate that development. On Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Mark Mwangi wrote:

The reason I advocate for a fresh build is because there has been too much unplanned development in the city that will severely complicate attempts at trying to adjudicate and go back to the plan.

The problem is compounded by time and issues like squatters on public land raising several generations on the said patch and with the constitution protecting human/citizens rights you can see how this is not an easy matter for either Kidero or Waititu to tackle.

The master plans from the 80s were ignored and zoning is all but gone with offices coming up in Kileleshwa and Westlands neighborhoods Which is easier, pulling down multi billion shilling structures or erecting a new center properly?

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:53 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk (mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk)> wrote:

...

Phares,

You raise a very pertinent issue, why do we prefer to build afresh rather than fix what is broken, as a multi lingual forum I would like us to carry out the following exercise

Can every one of us please post the word in their mother-tongue that has an equivalent meaning to the english word "maintain" indicate the tongue followed by the word.

Regards

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225 (tel:%2B254722511225), +254202010696 (tel:%2B254202010696) From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com (mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com)>

To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk (mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk) Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke (mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke)" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke (mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke)> Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013, 10:39

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I don't buy that argument… I'm quite sure New York is more built out than Nairobi…

http://qz.com/45728/new-york-is-now-a-better-place-to-start-your-tech-compan...

Nairobi doesn't qualify as a heavily built city. With roughly the same amount of acreage, New York has a population of 8M and serves a metropolis of 18M (roughly 40% of .ke's population).The problem is that we are not using land rates as the incentive they should be to encourage people to build northwards and not hoard land. If land rates were high enough, apartments blocks would hold more people, office blocks (especially) would hold more people to ease the pressure on residential land. Obviously, we would need the City Council to come in and provide necessary goods, but the systemic failure to do so (across towns in the country) is something that needs to be addressed even as we move to Konza to avoid a repeat of the same. How easy is it to do business, get permits etc. issues that need to be resolved, aside from Konza.

This has nothing to do with Konza per-se, just the notion that Nairobi is beyond saving. Cities last hundreds/thousands of years (Rome, London, Paris, Istanbul, Jerusalem etc). We just need to learn how to fix these problems. From my perspective this is a larger development issue. We see this all over the place when it comes to development in the country. Toss out the education system, replace it with another (instead of figuring out what's wrong with the current system and gently correcting it, to avoid systemic shocks, which tend to have more consequences than an easing of the same - simple example, 8.4.4. and the 18-22 month waiting period before you joined a university - finally resolved last year). On Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Mark Mwangi wrote:

...

But what is this technology we speak of? Is technology only to do with coding in the vacuum of infrastructure?

Heavy infrastructure building is in my opinion the only way to ensure there is enough resources to support high technology. Building a city from the ground up will allow proper planning and sustainability if the vested interests are not allowed to hijack the entire process.

I say go ahead and if it doesn't work then so be it. Whats the alternative? Keep trying to panel beat Nairobi?

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:38 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk (mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk)> wrote:

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Hi Researcher,

Tell me how do I write a string in C to add from 1 to 100 using the sheng language?

After we have convinced our youth to develop the sheng language which of the 200,000 jobs do we expect them to be hired for when Fedex, IBM, Google and Huawei setup at Konza

1. Night sweeper, 2. Gardener, 3. Solar panel cleaner 4. Database optimisation architect

Regards

PS. I retain my position that Konza is a construction project not a technology project as confirmed by Dr. Ndemo's statements on twitter yesterday

Bitange Ndemo @bantigito (https://twitter.com/bantigito) #Konza (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Konza&src=hash) Technology City will consist of (1 of 1): 1) Modern BPO Park 2) Science Park 3) Convention Center. 4) Mega Mall. 5) Data Centres.

23 Jan (https://twitter.com/bantigito/status/293964535570776064) Bitange Ndemo @bantigito (https://twitter.com/bantigito) #Konza (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Konza&src=hash) Technology City will consist of (2 of 1): 1) World-class Hotels 2) Local and International Schools 3) World Class Hospitals.

Bitange Ndemo @bantigito (https://twitter.com/bantigito) #Konza (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Konza&src=hash) Technology City will consist of (3 of 1) :1) Championship Golf Course, 2) Financial District, 3) High Speed Mass Transport System.

Bitange Ndemo @bantigito (https://twitter.com/bantigito) #Konza (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Konza&src=hash) Technology City will consist of (4 of 1): 1) Residential Housing, 2) Superior Modern Integrated Infrastructure, among other features.

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com (mailto:ict.researcher@yahoo.com)> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk (mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk) Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke (mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke)" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke (mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke)> Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013, 8:04

Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

btw, vuta aerial... saka "chwani" hapa: www.sheng.co.ke (http://www.sheng.co.ke/), pamoja!

From: ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com (mailto:ict.researcher@yahoo.com)> To: "eonchari@lynxbits.com (mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com)" <eonchari@lynxbits.com (mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com)> Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke (mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke)" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke (mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke)> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

Rather than remaining adamantly fixed on a now realistically bygone era of afresh reconstruction of entirely new, singly-owned, ICT empires - from ground-up, perhaps the said NTHs should consider newer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coopetition business models approach to growing their tech biasharas at Konza. How many of the multinationals currently interested in setting shop at Konza do *everything* inhouse? Unfortunately, adopting "rebel" NTH tag does not make global realities go away.

my chwani ;-)

From: "eonchari@lynxbits.com (mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com)" <eonchari@lynxbits.com (mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com)> To: ict.researcher@yahoo.com (mailto:ict.researcher@yahoo.com) Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke (mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke) Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

@ Liko,

As VP put it rightly at the launch...we need more "crazy" Dr Ndemos to make things happen...therefore, as a Nairobi Tech Hustler, I shall take me to Konza and Hustle there 'till I make it...this is a good project and we should be proud that it is now on course...of course criticism is healthy and must be tolerated in a democracy - and I am sure the many critics within and without this forum did +vely influence the approach of this project over the years

Therefore, Kudos to Dr. Ndemo and your team for a job well done thus far

Edwin

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@Liko,

You/Pesapal is a big player...and you should be there hustling with the big boys at Konza Technopolis. Dream big, and you will be surprised how soon your dreams come true.

For me, Konza is an example of what we as a country are capable of. A break from the past, where we compared ourselves to our neighbours (e.g Somalia with apologies) and a leap into comparing ourselves with where we belong (read Malaysia, Singapore et. al.)

Lets aim for the Sun, because the worst that can happen is that we land on the moon. Rather than aim for the main, and by 2030, we shall still be here on earth :-)

walu.

From: Agosta Liko To: jwalu@yahoo.com (mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com) Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

Mr Nduati

Raising concerns and shaping decisions does not make one a doubting Thomas

but the, this thing is for HP, Oracle, Microsoft ... not Nairobi Hustle Tech

Thanks

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:49 PM, charles nduati <charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk (mailto:charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk)> wrote:

...

Hi Daktari Ndemo and Your team,

Congratulations on the ground breaking ceremony tomorrow. I wonder where the doubting Thomases are. Have a great day and let us know where the party will be thereafter

Kudos all

Charles Nduati

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Hi, How many acres of land and square feet of concrete do Google, Facebook, Yahoo and Ebay occupy in total across all their current locations? We are told of FedEx wanting to setup in Konza, last I checked their will be no airport at Konza, with the devolved government would it not be more logical to have FedEx setup in Isiolo where we are putting up an international airport to rival JKIA? Let us get it clear, Nairobi is a county with responsibilities to its citizens as any other county therefore it will be full hardy for the governor of Nairobi to exert energy in Konza. SEZ or not Konza will be competing with Nairobi in getting the direct foreign investment so do not decisive yourself that Konza will have a smooth ride 46 other counties will be targeting the same clients just look at the development of technology cities in India to get an appreciation of the herculean battle that is to be wagged as the counties come into their element. The Konza model based on 1942 thinking which is around the time that Silicon Valley was being setup, we are in 2013 a time where your smartphone is more powerful than the computer that put the first man on the moon and more than 50% of the worlds 10 wealthiest men do not produce a physical product.  Why do we want to provide you with highspeed connectivity to your home, it is not to tweet and watch porn but to reduce your carbon footprint by having you work from home and not take a carbon emitting train 70 kilometers away. Like with the AAK I offer my services to the Konza team as the chief "devils advocate" to help them create a development that is commensurate to the current times and not an obsolete dream. Regards   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013, 9:47 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS But what is this technology we speak of? Is technology only to do with coding in the vacuum of infrastructure? Heavy infrastructure building is in my opinion the only way to ensure there is enough resources to support high technology. Building a city from the ground up will allow proper planning and sustainability if the vested interests are not allowed to hijack the entire process.  I say go ahead and if it doesn't work then so be it. Whats the alternative? Keep trying to panel beat Nairobi? On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:38 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi Researcher,

Tell me how do I write a string in C to add from 1 to 100 using the sheng language?

After we have convinced our youth to develop the sheng language which of the 200,000 jobs do we expect them to be hired for when Fedex, IBM, Google and Huawei setup at Konza

    1.  Night sweeper,     2.  Gardener,     3.  Solar panel cleaner     4.  Database optimisation architect

Regards

PS.  I retain my position that Konza is a construction project not a technology project as confirmed by Dr. Ndemo's statements on twitter yesterday

Bitange Ndemo @bantigito #Konza Technology City will consist of (1 of 1): 1) Modern BPO Park 2) Science Park 3) Convention Center. 4) Mega Mall. 5) Data Centres.

23 Jan Bitange Ndemo @bantigito #Konza Technology City will consist of (2 of 1): 1) World-class Hotels 2) Local and International Schools 3) World Class Hospitals.

Bitange Ndemo @bantigito #Konza Technology City will consist of (3 of 1) :1) Championship Golf Course,

2) Financial District, 3) High Speed Mass Transport System.

Bitange Ndemo @bantigito #Konza Technology City will consist of (4 of 1): 1) Residential Housing, 2)

Superior Modern Integrated Infrastructure, among other features.

  Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

________________________________ From: ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2013, 8:04

Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

btw, vuta aerial... saka "chwani" hapa: www.sheng.co.ke, pamoja! 

________________________________ From: ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> To: "eonchari@lynxbits.com" <eonchari@lynxbits.com> Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

Rather than remaining adamantly fixed on a now realistically bygone era of afresh reconstruction of entirely new, singly-owned, ICT empires - from ground-up, perhaps the said NTHs should consider newer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coopetition business models approach to growing their tech biasharas at Konza. How many of the multinationals currently interested in setting shop at Konza do *everything* inhouse? Unfortunately, adopting "rebel" NTH tag does not make global realities go away.

my chwani ;-) 

________________________________ From: "eonchari@lynxbits.com" <eonchari@lynxbits.com> To: ict.researcher@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

@ Liko,

As VP put it rightly at the launch...we need more "crazy" Dr Ndemos to make things happen...therefore, as a Nairobi Tech Hustler, I shall take me to Konza and Hustle there 'till I make it...this is a good project and we should be  proud that it is now on course...of course criticism is healthy and must be tolerated in a democracy - and I am sure the many critics within and without this forum did +vely influence the approach of this project over the years

Therefore, Kudos to Dr. Ndemo and your team  for a job well done thus far

Edwin

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From: jwalu@yahoo.comTo: eonchari@lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 1/23/13 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

@Liko,

You/Pesapal is a big player...and you should be there hustling with the big boys at Konza Technopolis. Dream big, and you will be surprised how soon your dreams come true.

For me, Konza is an example of what we as a country are capable of. A break from the past, where we compared ourselves to our neighbours (e.g Somalia with apologies) and a leap into comparing ourselves with where we belong (read Malaysia, Singapore et. al.)

Lets aim for the Sun, because the worst that can happen is that we land on the moon.  Rather than aim for the main, and by 2030, we shall still be here on earth :-)   walu.

________________________________ From: Agosta Liko To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA GROUND BREAKING CEREMONY-CONGRATULATIONS

Mr Nduati

Raising concerns and shaping decisions does not make one a doubting Thomas

but the, this thing is for HP, Oracle, Microsoft ... not Nairobi Hustle Tech

Thanks

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:49 PM, charles nduati <charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Daktari Ndemo and Your team,

...

Congratulations on the ground breaking ceremony tomorrow. I wonder where the doubting Thomases are. Have a great day and let us know where the party will be thereafter

Kudos all

Charles Nduati  

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