Hi, How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular ISPs KIXP pipe is full. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi, How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular ISPs KIXP pipe is full. Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hallo Agosta The link you provided has since been changed but thanks for taking the initiative to circulate the information. Robert, kindly contact TESPOK off list and you shall be assisted. Kind Regards, Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 "Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government" -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Agosta Liko Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:13 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3 &id=23&Itemid=23 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a
website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different
depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted
traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular
ISPs KIXP pipe is full.
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi Fiona, It might be beneficial to post the KIXP membership requirements on this list - just in case there might be others who would be interested in joining and may be facing similar challenges to Robert. Let private sector lead by example with "Freedom of Information" :o) Best regards, Brian On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hallo Agosta
The link you provided has since been changed but thanks for taking the initiative to circulate the information.
Robert, kindly contact TESPOK off list and you shall be assisted.
Kind Regards,
Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street
Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504
*“Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction * *within the Industry and Government”*
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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a
website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different
depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted
traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular
ISPs KIXP pipe is full.
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hallo Brian, The basic requirements for joining KIXP is 1. An interested party has to be a licensed operator. That is holds a valid CCK issued operator's license. 2. Be willing to abide by the internal TESPOK policies and peering code of conduct Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 "Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:09 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hi Fiona, It might be beneficial to post the KIXP membership requirements on this list - just in case there might be others who would be interested in joining and may be facing similar challenges to Robert. Let private sector lead by example with "Freedom of Information" :o) Best regards, Brian On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote: Hallo Agosta The link you provided has since been changed but thanks for taking the initiative to circulate the information. Robert, kindly contact TESPOK off list and you shall be assisted. Kind Regards, Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 "Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government" -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Btespok> =tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Agosta Liko Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:13 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content <http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid= 3&id=23&Itemid=23> &task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a
website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different
depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted
traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular
ISPs KIXP pipe is full.
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi, Seems TESPOK does not really want new entrants, Ndemo where is your exchange point we need saving or could ICTBoard bankroll the setting up of a neutral exchange point I believe at least one of the entrants for the world bank funding had such a proposal, I am guessing just incase someone takes this as conversing . Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 13:59:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hallo Brian, The basic requirements for joining KIXP is 1. An interested party has to be a licensed operator. That is holds a valid CCK issued operator’s license. 2. Be willing to abide by the internal TESPOK policies and peering code of conduct Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction From:Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:09 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hi Fiona, It might be beneficial to post the KIXP membership requirements on this list - just in case there might be others who would be interested in joining and may be facing similar challenges to Robert. Let private sector lead by example with "Freedom of Information" :o) Best regards, Brian On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote: Hallo Agosta The link you provided has since been changed but thanks for taking the initiative to circulate the information. Robert, kindly contact TESPOK off list and you shall be assisted. Kind Regards, Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government” -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Agosta Liko Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:13 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi, How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular ISPs KIXP pipe is full. Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Just host abroad ... :) it works :) On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 6:28 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi, Seems TESPOK does not really want new entrants, Ndemo where is your exchange point we need saving or could ICTBoard bankroll the setting up of a neutral exchange point I believe at least one of the entrants for the world bank funding had such a proposal, I am guessing just incase someone takes this as conversing . Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 13:59:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
Hallo Brian,
The basic requirements for joining KIXP is
1. An interested party has to be a licensed operator. That is holds a valid CCK issued operator’s license.
2. Be willing to abide by the internal TESPOK policies and peering code of conduct
Regards
Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street
Tel: +254 20 2245 036
“Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction
From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:09 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
Hi Fiona,
It might be beneficial to post the KIXP membership requirements on this list - just in case there might be others who would be interested in joining and may be facing similar challenges to Robert.
Let private sector lead by example with "Freedom of Information" :o)
Best regards,
Brian
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hallo Agosta
The link you provided has since been changed but thanks for taking the initiative to circulate the information.
Robert, kindly contact TESPOK off list and you shall be assisted.
Kind Regards,
Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street
Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504
“Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government”
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http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a
website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different
depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted
traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular
ISPs KIXP pipe is full.
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hallo Robert, The joining requirements I have shared are based on CCK’s license to KIXP. KIXP has been shut down once and we definitely are careful not to get shut down again by CCK. Incidentally, KIXP is the only licensed IXP in Africa and one of the few license regulated IXP in the world with conditions that bar the IXP from offering services to non-licensed entities even when it is obvious that these entities are providing valuable service that would make sense if shared to the public by all peering members. If government or rather CCK would be willing to review the several proposals TESPOK has so far tabled based on international best practice we would most probably be able to get a wider range of service providers into the IXP. At the end of the day even government will be expected by the industry to operate their IXP as per the similar stringent rules/guidelines that have been applied to KIXP. We hope it will not be a case of preaching water and drinking wine. I actually think government setting up their IXP and applying the same rules that have been applied on KIXP will actually work out well for the industry and look forward to it. We would love to welcome as may peering members as space can allow but our hands are tied. Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government” From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 6:29 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hi, Seems TESPOK does not really want new entrants, Ndemo where is your exchange point we need saving or could ICTBoard bankroll the setting up of a neutral exchange point I believe at least one of the entrants for the world bank funding had such a proposal, I am guessing just incase someone takes this as conversing . Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 13:59:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hallo Brian, The basic requirements for joining KIXP is 1. An interested party has to be a licensed operator. That is holds a valid CCK issued operator’s license. 2. Be willing to abide by the internal TESPOK policies and peering code of conduct Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:09 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hi Fiona, It might be beneficial to post the KIXP membership requirements on this list - just in case there might be others who would be interested in joining and may be facing similar challenges to Robert. Let private sector lead by example with "Freedom of Information" :o) Best regards, Brian On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote: Hallo Agosta The link you provided has since been changed but thanks for taking the initiative to circulate the information. Robert, kindly contact TESPOK off list and you shall be assisted. Kind Regards, Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government” -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Btespok> =tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Agosta Liko Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:13 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content <http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23> &task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a
website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different
depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted
traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular
ISPs KIXP pipe is full.
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi Fiona, Thank you for the response, it helps to clarify an issue so that some of us stone throwers can refrain, but that can only happen when we are in the picture. I believe from this response from KIXP is that the ministry of information and by extension the ICTBoard are not being truthful when they keep making it seem that the ISPs are refusing to lower their tariffs because they are greedy. Can the usual culprits please put this issue to rest, we seriously need to keep local content local and it is unfortunate if the government is just giving lip service to this issue. Again Fiona thank you for clearing the issue. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 30 September, 2010 16:05:33 Subject: RE: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hallo Robert, The joining requirements I have shared are based on CCK’s license to KIXP. KIXP has been shut down once and we definitely are careful not to get shut down again by CCK. Incidentally, KIXP is the only licensed IXP in Africa and one of the few license regulated IXP in the world with conditions that bar the IXP from offering services to non-licensed entities even when it is obvious that these entities are providing valuable service that would make sense if shared to the public by all peering members. If government or rather CCK would be willing to review the several proposals TESPOK has so far tabled based on international best practice we would most probably be able to get a wider range of service providers into the IXP. At the end of the day even government will be expected by the industry to operate their IXP as per the similar stringent rules/guidelines that have been applied to KIXP. We hope it will not be a case of preaching water and drinking wine. I actually think government setting up their IXP and applying the same rules that have been applied on KIXP will actually work out well for the industry and look forward to it. We would love to welcome as may peering members as space can allow but our hands are tied. Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government” From:kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 6:29 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hi, Seems TESPOK does not really want new entrants, Ndemo where is your exchange point we need saving or could ICTBoard bankroll the setting up of a neutral exchange point I believe at least one of the entrants for the world bank funding had such a proposal, I am guessing just incase someone takes this as conversing . Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From:Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 13:59:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hallo Brian, The basic requirements for joining KIXP is 1. An interested party has to be a licensed operator. That is holds a valid CCK issued operator’s license. 2. Be willing to abide by the internal TESPOK policies and peering code of conduct Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction From:Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:09 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hi Fiona, It might be beneficial to post the KIXP membership requirements on this list - just in case there might be others who would be interested in joining and may be facing similar challenges to Robert. Let private sector lead by example with "Freedom of Information" :o) Best regards, Brian On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote: Hallo Agosta The link you provided has since been changed but thanks for taking the initiative to circulate the information. Robert, kindly contact TESPOK off list and you shall be assisted. Kind Regards, Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government” -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Agosta Liko Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:13 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi, How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular ISPs KIXP pipe is full. Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi, On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 4:23 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Fiona, Thank you for the response, it helps to clarify an issue
Tis indeed helpful, looks like TESPOK needs help convincing the government that allowing non-license holders as peers is a good idea. In fact, it is best current practice, along with carrier neutrality, open access, etc. so that some of us
stone throwers can refrain, but that can only happen when we are in the picture.
I believe from this response from KIXP is that the ministry of information and by extension the ICTBoard are not being truthful when they keep making it seem that the ISPs are refusing to lower their tariffs because they are greedy.
I don't see how one infers that from the KIXP reply. Not letting non-licensed players peer at the IX does not equate with either government untruthfulness or lower tariffs.
Can the usual culprits please put this issue to rest, we seriously need to keep local content local
Well KIXP is serious about doing just that. If you have a specific issue where traffic that you think should go over the IX is going overseas, then please send the traceroutes for diagnostic help. I find it a bit ironic that someone who uses a .co.uk webmail account bangs on about this issue. While I use webmail myself, it doesn't cause me any guilt pangs in this age of (relatively) abundant bandwidth. In the satellite age, I used a local email address, which, sadly is no longer available to me. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Hi, It is good to see that someone out there is not scared of giving a detailed response to my posts for a minute I had started taking Walu sentiments to heart. I use the yahoo account because i can get to my mail reliably irrespective of the ISP as my main mail service is hosted by Orange/Jambo. It works fine in the office because I have an Orange/Telkom connection but when out of the office the connection from other ISP links to the Orange servers is painfully slow, there I have listed a site. McTim, we are looking to set up an enabling environment for those developers out here who need reliable connectivity for their web sites, please do not mistake my concern as a selfish agenda. If we keep dealing with individual issues we shall make snail progress, I ranted about local peering over 10 years ago when I used to right in a PC World but instead of the ISPs listening they opted to coin me the village madman. So can we please look at this situation more holistically and create an environment that is conducive to enabling the up coming developers to cost effectively put up web based solutions. I visited another brilliant site www.naibase.com that is aiming to be the Kenyan Youtube equivalent but unfortunately they are hosted overseas, this is the result of lip service but those responsible for creating an enabling environment. Why should someone providing information solely for the consumption of a local audience need to pay hosting rates pegged on the international circuit. I previous mentioned the good old days (13 years ago) of Karisi Communications when local email was free but foreign email was charged extra and how it created a vibrant local online community. Can Tespok implement a minimum STM1 connectivity for each member of the KIXP especially since what we have in the ground is dark fibre, then provide a tariff for those who have no need for their servers to be accessed overseas. We see it with the telephone calling rates where on network charges are lower than cross network. Regards Sent from home on the Safaricom Wimax link, its better than nothing. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 30 September, 2010 16:46:03 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hi, On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 4:23 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Fiona, Thank you for the response, it helps to clarify an issue
Tis indeed helpful, looks like TESPOK needs help convincing the government that allowing non-license holders as peers is a good idea. In fact, it is best current practice, along with carrier neutrality, open access, etc. so that some of us
stone throwers can refrain, but that can only happen when we are in the picture.
I believe from this response from KIXP is that the ministry of information and by extension the ICTBoard are not being truthful when they keep making it seem that the ISPs are refusing to lower their tariffs because they are greedy.
I don't see how one infers that from the KIXP reply. Not letting non-licensed players peer at the IX does not equate with either government untruthfulness or lower tariffs.
Can the usual culprits please put this issue to rest, we seriously need to keep local content local
Well KIXP is serious about doing just that. If you have a specific issue where traffic that you think should go over the IX is going overseas, then please send the traceroutes for diagnostic help. I find it a bit ironic that someone who uses a .co.uk webmail account bangs on about this issue. While I use webmail myself, it doesn't cause me any guilt pangs in this age of (relatively) abundant bandwidth. In the satellite age, I used a local email address, which, sadly is no longer available to me. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Hallo Robert, Am glad you now realize that it can be very difficult to play a football match with ones legs tied together and the goal sealed because basically one can attempt to hop around the field but you cannot kick any ball or score any goal. KIXP traffic would probably be much, much higher and in return the bandwidth costs to all these entities who are developing content and having to go through the various arrangements would be lower. It helps to know that Kenyan entities that peer at IXPs such as the Oregon Internet Exchange Point, London Internet Exchange Point, Amsterdam Internet Exchange Point are not requested for a license since the regulations in those countries do not require it. In a nutshell, Industry is willing and would like to work with government to ensure we not only grow local content but host it locally as much as possible. I don’t know about the KICT Board and to what extent they would be willing to work with KIXP to get this done. The Kenya ICT Board and TESPOK have not had any discussion around this but it can be explored and we shall share any new developments with all. The main challenge is with the way regulation is worded and its long term implications. In fact KIXP has no problem being licensed so long as the license can allow for growth and actual but not perceived development of the industry. If web developers are all hosting their local content abroad that is capital flight to other economies since locally CCK did introduce a Content Provider license that anyone interested in sharing their content may eventually have to apply for, especially if you were to connect to KIXP. The limit on whom KIXP can allow to peer lies with the Communications Commission of Kenya and not the Kenya ICT Board. I however, believe it is not cast in stone and the consultations that began in 2004 on the IXP license shall be re-opened. It is our hope that we can be allowed at the very least to kick the ball around to any player on the pitch even though the goal post will remain sealed. Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government” From: robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 4:23 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hi Fiona, Thank you for the response, it helps to clarify an issue so that some of us stone throwers can refrain, but that can only happen when we are in the picture. I believe from this response from KIXP is that the ministry of information and by extension the ICTBoard are not being truthful when they keep making it seem that the ISPs are refusing to lower their tariffs because they are greedy. Can the usual culprits please put this issue to rest, we seriously need to keep local content local and it is unfortunate if the government is just giving lip service to this issue. Again Fiona thank you for clearing the issue. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 30 September, 2010 16:05:33 Subject: RE: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hallo Robert, The joining requirements I have shared are based on CCK’s license to KIXP. KIXP has been shut down once and we definitely are careful not to get shut down again by CCK. Incidentally, KIXP is the only licensed IXP in Africa and one of the few license regulated IXP in the world with conditions that bar the IXP from offering services to non-licensed entities even when it is obvious that these entities are providing valuable service that would make sense if shared to the public by all peering members. If government or rather CCK would be willing to review the several proposals TESPOK has so far tabled based on international best practice we would most probably be able to get a wider range of service providers into the IXP. At the end of the day even government will be expected by the industry to operate their IXP as per the similar stringent rules/guidelines that have been applied to KIXP. We hope it will not be a case of preaching water and drinking wine. I actually think government setting up their IXP and applying the same rules that have been applied on KIXP will actually work out well for the industry and look forward to it. We would love to welcome as may peering members as space can allow but our hands are tied. Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government” From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 6:29 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hi, Seems TESPOK does not really want new entrants, Ndemo where is your exchange point we need saving or could ICTBoard bankroll the setting up of a neutral exchange point I believe at least one of the entrants for the world bank funding had such a proposal, I am guessing just incase someone takes this as conversing . Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 13:59:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hallo Brian, The basic requirements for joining KIXP is 1. An interested party has to be a licensed operator. That is holds a valid CCK issued operator’s license. 2. Be willing to abide by the internal TESPOK policies and peering code of conduct Regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:09 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity Hi Fiona, It might be beneficial to post the KIXP membership requirements on this list - just in case there might be others who would be interested in joining and may be facing similar challenges to Robert. Let private sector lead by example with "Freedom of Information" :o) Best regards, Brian On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote: Hallo Agosta The link you provided has since been changed but thanks for taking the initiative to circulate the information. Robert, kindly contact TESPOK off list and you shall be assisted. Kind Regards, Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government” -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Btespok> =tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Agosta Liko Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:13 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content <http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23> &task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a
website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different
depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted
traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular
ISPs KIXP pipe is full.
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Robert, hold your praises on TESPOK. Even after praising Fiona, and all the Tespok crew, i dont think they are very genuine, or keen to embrace single players into the IXP. We have had so many forums, especially IGFs, and other Kictanet moderated forums, and at no single point have we seen the 'grave isssues' raised by FIONA appear in the public domain. Is somebody playing PR? What would be the modalities of establishing a parallel IXP for private content providers, who can then peer with KIXP since they are the owners of the internet? Robert, you can be the chairman. Kind regards Mwendwa On 30/09/2010, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hallo Robert,
Am glad you now realize that it can be very difficult to play a football match with ones legs tied together and the goal sealed because basically one can attempt to hop around the field but you cannot kick any ball or score any goal.
KIXP traffic would probably be much, much higher and in return the bandwidth costs to all these entities who are developing content and having to go through the various arrangements would be lower. It helps to know that Kenyan entities that peer at IXPs such as the Oregon Internet Exchange Point, London Internet Exchange Point, Amsterdam Internet Exchange Point are not requested for a license since the regulations in those countries do not require it.
In a nutshell, Industry is willing and would like to work with government to ensure we not only grow local content but host it locally as much as possible.
I don’t know about the KICT Board and to what extent they would be willing to work with KIXP to get this done. The Kenya ICT Board and TESPOK have not had any discussion around this but it can be explored and we shall share any new developments with all.
The main challenge is with the way regulation is worded and its long term implications. In fact KIXP has no problem being licensed so long as the license can allow for growth and actual but not perceived development of the industry.
If web developers are all hosting their local content abroad that is capital flight to other economies since locally CCK did introduce a Content Provider license that anyone interested in sharing their content may eventually have to apply for, especially if you were to connect to KIXP.
The limit on whom KIXP can allow to peer lies with the Communications Commission of Kenya and not the Kenya ICT Board. I however, believe it is not cast in stone and the consultations that began in 2004 on the IXP license shall be re-opened.
It is our hope that we can be allowed at the very least to kick the ball around to any player on the pitch even though the goal post will remain sealed.
Regards
Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street
Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504
“Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government”
From: robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 4:23 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
Hi Fiona,
Thank you for the response, it helps to clarify an issue so that some of us stone throwers can refrain, but that can only happen when we are in the picture.
I believe from this response from KIXP is that the ministry of information and by extension the ICTBoard are not being truthful when they keep making it seem that the ISPs are refusing to lower their tariffs because they are greedy.
Can the usual culprits please put this issue to rest, we seriously need to keep local content local and it is unfortunate if the government is just giving lip service to this issue.
Again Fiona thank you for clearing the issue.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
_____
From: Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 30 September, 2010 16:05:33 Subject: RE: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
Hallo Robert,
The joining requirements I have shared are based on CCK’s license to KIXP. KIXP has been shut down once and we definitely are careful not to get shut down again by CCK.
Incidentally, KIXP is the only licensed IXP in Africa and one of the few license regulated IXP in the world with conditions that bar the IXP from offering services to non-licensed entities even when it is obvious that these entities are providing valuable service that would make sense if shared to the public by all peering members.
If government or rather CCK would be willing to review the several proposals TESPOK has so far tabled based on international best practice we would most probably be able to get a wider range of service providers into the IXP. At the end of the day even government will be expected by the industry to operate their IXP as per the similar stringent rules/guidelines that have been applied to KIXP. We hope it will not be a case of preaching water and drinking wine. I actually think government setting up their IXP and applying the same rules that have been applied on KIXP will actually work out well for the industry and look forward to it.
We would love to welcome as may peering members as space can allow but our hands are tied.
Regards
Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street
Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504
“Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government”
From: kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+tespok=tespok.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 6:29 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
Hi,
Seems TESPOK does not really want new entrants, Ndemo where is your exchange point we need saving or could ICTBoard bankroll the setting up of a neutral exchange point I believe at least one of the entrants for the world bank funding had such a proposal, I am guessing just incase someone takes this as conversing .
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From: Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 13:59:07 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
Hallo Brian,
The basic requirements for joining KIXP is
1. An interested party has to be a licensed operator. That is holds a valid CCK issued operator’s license.
2. Be willing to abide by the internal TESPOK policies and peering code of conduct
Regards
Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street
Tel: +254 20 2245 036
“Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction
From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:09 PM To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity
Hi Fiona,
It might be beneficial to post the KIXP membership requirements on this list - just in case there might be others who would be interested in joining and may be facing similar challenges to Robert.
Let private sector lead by example with "Freedom of Information" :o)
Best regards,
Brian
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Fiona Asonga <tespok@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hallo Agosta
The link you provided has since been changed but thanks for taking the initiative to circulate the information.
Robert, kindly contact TESPOK off list and you shall be assisted.
Kind Regards,
Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point 14th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street
Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504
“Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government”
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http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content <http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23> &task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a
website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different
depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted
traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular
ISPs KIXP pipe is full.
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:01 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert, hold your praises on TESPOK.
Even after praising Fiona, and all the Tespok crew, i dont think they are very genuine, or keen to embrace single players into the IXP. We have had so many forums, especially IGFs, and other Kictanet moderated forums, and at no single point have we seen the 'grave isssues' raised by FIONA appear in the public domain.
At every forum I have attended, the KIXP folk have made it a point to bring up the licensing issue.
Is somebody playing PR?
What would be the modalities of establishing a parallel IXP for private content providers, who can then peer with KIXP
You can't peer with KIXP, you peer with others at KIXP. IIUC, if you get a Content Providers license, then you can join the peering mesh. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
I think it will be more helpful if someone gave the exact details of the problems he/she is having regarding the KIXP. Eg. I am connected to provider X, and when I try to access content hosted by provider Y locally, it goes via the international route, and here are the traceroute/ping statistics. That way, it will be quite easy to pinpoint the problem and advise the affected member. Thaba On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:10 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:01 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert, hold your praises on TESPOK.
Even after praising Fiona, and all the Tespok crew, i dont think they are very genuine, or keen to embrace single players into the IXP. We have had so many forums, especially IGFs, and other Kictanet moderated forums, and at no single point have we seen the 'grave isssues' raised by FIONA appear in the public domain.
At every forum I have attended, the KIXP folk have made it a point to bring up the licensing issue.
Is somebody playing PR?
What would be the modalities of establishing a parallel IXP for private content providers, who can then peer with KIXP
You can't peer with KIXP, you peer with others at KIXP.
IIUC, if you get a Content Providers license, then you can join the peering mesh.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Concerned, At one time CCK was considering establishing GIXP (an idea which could have resulted into a second IXP in kenya), and so far; the project is still bed-ridden at the tendering stage. At this point, the industry requires positive direction and support from government policy makers. It is clear, something need to be done urgently. Philip On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Davidson Thaba <dthaba@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it will be more helpful if someone gave the exact details of the problems he/she is having regarding the KIXP. Eg. I am connected to provider X, and when I try to access content hosted by provider Y locally, it goes via the international route, and here are the traceroute/ping statistics. That way, it will be quite easy to pinpoint the problem and advise the affected member.
Thaba
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On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:01 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert, hold your praises on TESPOK.
Even after praising Fiona, and all the Tespok crew, i dont think they are very genuine, or keen to embrace single players into the IXP. We have had so many forums, especially IGFs, and other Kictanet moderated forums, and at no single point have we seen the 'grave isssues' raised by FIONA appear in the public domain.
At every forum I have attended, the KIXP folk have made it a point to bring up the licensing issue.
Is somebody playing PR?
What would be the modalities of establishing a parallel IXP for private content providers, who can then peer with KIXP
You can't peer with KIXP, you peer with others at KIXP.
IIUC, if you get a Content Providers license, then you can join the peering mesh.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Hi, You have a very negative nature, why "ka wagoire na ngoi" (google wont help you here) We contribute to find solutions to our local problems there is a place and time for being the devils advocate. Loadmwesh, thanks for the confidence that I can provide direction in providing more reliable peering for local traffic and I will work towards this McTim or not. In addition can Fiona tell us if the recently launched Mombasa exchange point straddle the 3 marine cables? On the licensing issue I believe Dr. Ndemo has told us many times that he is willing to be of assistance is we can proof that legislation is hindering progress. Please forward me the CCK directive that required us to have a content provider license so as to peer at KIXP. On that issue does it mean that anyone who has a website is requires to get a Content Provider licence? That would actually be laughable, I always believed that this license was required for short code resellers? I still insist that the local bandwidth needs to be higher than that of the incoming pipes as the terrestrial cable needs to carry the foreign traffic and local traffic as well. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 30 September, 2010 23:10:05 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:01 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Robert, hold your praises on TESPOK.
Even after praising Fiona, and all the Tespok crew, i dont think they are very genuine, or keen to embrace single players into the IXP. We have had so many forums, especially IGFs, and other Kictanet moderated forums, and at no single point have we seen the 'grave isssues' raised by FIONA appear in the public domain.
At every forum I have attended, the KIXP folk have made it a point to bring up the licensing issue.
Is somebody playing PR?
What would be the modalities of establishing a parallel IXP for private content providers, who can then peer with KIXP
You can't peer with KIXP, you peer with others at KIXP. IIUC, if you get a Content Providers license, then you can join the peering mesh. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
Hi Liko, Nice to see you raised your head from the coding table, thanks for the link but unfortunately there is no information on how to connect to KIXP. It would also have been good is they indicated the bandwidth of each ISP so that we can also make informed decision which one to use for hosting a local site. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 12:12:36 Subject: Re: [kictanet] KIXP connectivity http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=3&id=23&Itemid=23 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi, How does one get connected to KIXP and what are the charges, we run a website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular ISPs KIXP pipe is full. Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi, On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:00 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi, How does one get connected to KIXP
One usually needs an Autonomous System Number (assigned from AfriNIC, the RIR for the African region) and a block of IP addresses (usually from same registry).
and what are the charges,
http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?Itemid=22&id=10&option=com_content&task=view shows what the costs are. It took ~10 seconds for me to find, a good example of local content. we run a
website, yes locally hosted, but unfortunately the experience is different depending on the ISP the client is connecting from, at times we have noted traffic being rerouting through the international link because a particular ISPs KIXP pipe is full.
It may not be the case that a "pipe is full", probably more likely due to routing issues. First place to troubleshoot is the ISP that connects the hosting provider to KIXP. So for example: $tracert www.propertykenya.com Tracing route to www.propertykenya.com [196.216.64.233] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 62 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.1.1 2 74 ms 80 ms 60 ms 41.206.46.10.accesskenya.com [41.206.46.10] 3 55 ms 59 ms 59 ms fe-01-kixp.accesskenya.com [196.207.31.78] 4 66 ms 59 ms 59 ms fe-01-kixp.accesskenya.com [196.207.31.78] 5 57 ms 84 ms 50 ms 198.32.143.72 6 73 ms 74 ms 59 ms 80.240.192.193 7 67 ms 50 ms 89 ms 217.21.112.1.swiftkenya.com [217.21.112.1] 8 53 ms 59 ms 79 ms 196.216.64.233.swiftkenya.com [196.216.64.233] Trace complete. In other words, I get to websites hosted in Ke across the KIXP mesh easily, YMMV. I don't understand your statement that "TESPOK does not really want new entrants". Of course they want more members, then they are a stronger association. I'm not sure I would have limited peers at KIXP to licensed providers, but maybe that is a gov't requirement, just guessing. As far as bandwidth per peer to the IX, this isn't normally made available by any IXP (that I know of) anywhere. The most you are likely to get is something like this: http://stats.uixp.co.ug/. While KIXP peers have decided NOT to make this data publicly available, the aggregated traffic stats have recently been made public at http://www.kixp.or.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=34 That service is currently down, but I know they are working on it (I witnessed them beavering away on that very server earlier this week). IMO, you don't need another neutral IXP (we have two at 3 locations), as in the case you are discussing, there is never a guarantee that traffic will stay local. For example, when I lived in Holland and would request a web page elsewhere in the EU, that traffic would sometimes go across the Atlantic and back, despite a much more interconnected (via IXPs) ecosystem than what we have here. In any case, traceroute is your friend in this situation. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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