Listers As you debate the very grave road safety situation in Kenya, we would wish to share this preliminary information from a study we are conducting on the accuracy of road safety data. Good data is critical for effective policy formulation, implementation and evaluation. Anecdotal evidence suggests a significant level of underreporting, compounded by errors in other complimentary data sets. However, on the basis of what is available, we aver that the major problem in respect of road safety in Kenya is a human problem. That is our weakest link. How to deal with it is key. It is very broad brush and we welcome feedback even as we look for answers from Thika Road. Kind regards Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA) P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951 E-mail: jairah@kippra.or.ke <mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke> URL: www.kippra.org <http://www.kippra.org/> Proudly Kenyan, Kenyan by Nature! "In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility..........I welcome it." John F. Kennedy "To allow other people's assessment of you to determine your own self-assessment is a very big mistake" Columbia University President Lee Bollinger "Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt "Ex Africa semper aliquid novi" "Per aspera ad astra!"
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain. The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic. Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps. The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals. Regards. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Eric Aligula" <jairah@kippra.or.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:00:40 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: Nashon Adero<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja<jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
PS, I agree with most of what you were saying. I think that the biggest challenge, and it will become more evident as county governments form and citizen's exercise their legal and constitutional privileges, is that there is lack of a robust framework for evaluating infrastructure alternatives and clear processes for evaluating infrastructure system designs. That is the Thika Road Problem. The road safety challenge will become more acute if the data to support the various policy choices is not reasonably accurate. That is the thrust of our work. Kind regards Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA) P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951 E-mail: jairah@kippra.or.ke URL: www.kippra.org Proudly Kenyan, Kenyan by Nature! "In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility..........I welcome it." John F. Kennedy "To allow other people's assessment of you to determine your own self-assessment is a very big mistake" Columbia University President Lee Bollinger "Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt "Ex Africa semper aliquid novi" "Per aspera ad astra!"
-----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:45 PM To: Eric Aligula; kictanet Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
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Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves. Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data. I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list. Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 May 2012 18:45 To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain. The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic. Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps. The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals. Regards. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Eric Aligula" <jairah@kippra.or.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:00:40 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: Nashon Adero<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja<jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eadera%40idrc.or.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Edith In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction. This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question. Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition. My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this. So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again. We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice. Kind regards Eric Aligula Sent from my iPad On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 May 2012 18:45 To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: "Eric Aligula" <jairah@kippra.or.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:00:40 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: Nashon Adero<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja<jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
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Well put bwana Aligula, you are bringing out the linkage between roads and ICTs by talking about data, I think this was the initial bone of contention, in your wisdom how do we capture this data and at what level can we intergrate intellÍgent transportations systems? Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Eric Aligula" <jairah@kippra.or.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:16:08 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: Nashon Adero<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja<jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Edith In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction. This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question. Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition. My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this. So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again. We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice. Kind regards Eric Aligula Sent from my iPad On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 May 2012 18:45 To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Barrack, IBM completed a study on Smart Transportation in Nairobi and presented it to stakeholders. In Summary it addresses the data issues raised by Dakitari. Top Roads executives as well as Matatu Association attended. I will seek permission to post the study or we agree to a meeting and have it presented. I agree with Dakitari that let us argue based on data. If I correctly remember a Social Impact Study was done on Thika road and a recommendation was made that there should not be any building within one half a Kilometre from the road. But of course you know us Kenyans. Flats now fance the road within less than five metres. Vehicles stop abruptly on the highway to pick up passengers outside of their flats. Most accidents have occurred where residents attempt all manner of convenience at the expense of other road users. The second cause of accidents and one that has robbed us several youth on the highway is night racing. Here we simply need to educate our youth. Most of us tried this even with narrow roads and sometimes I feel God must have been constantly with us. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: otieno.barrack@gmail.com Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:30:55 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: otieno.barrack@gmail.com Cc: Nashon Adero<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja<jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Well put bwana Aligula, you are bringing out the linkage between roads and ICTs by talking about data, I think this was the initial bone of contention, in your wisdom how do we capture this data and at what level can we intergrate intellÍgent transportations systems? Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Eric Aligula" <jairah@kippra.or.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+otieno.barrack=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:16:08 To: <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Cc: Nashon Adero<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja<jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Edith In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction. This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question. Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition. My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this. So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again. We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice. Kind regards Eric Aligula Sent from my iPad On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 May 2012 18:45 To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: "Eric Aligula" <jairah@kippra.or.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:00:40 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: Nashon Adero<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja<jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
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Thanks Dr. Ndemo, it would be interesting to skim through the study on Smart transportation. It could play a key role in enforcing the law as well. We need to reduce interaction between the Law enforcers and drivers since it seems to be promoting corruption, i dont think its easy to bribe a Camera ( i use the word i don't since our people can be very innovative :-)). Best Regards On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:57 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, IBM completed a study on Smart Transportation in Nairobi and presented it to stakeholders. In Summary it addresses the data issues raised by Dakitari. Top Roads executives as well as Matatu Association attended. I will seek permission to post the study or we agree to a meeting and have it presented.
I agree with Dakitari that let us argue based on data. If I correctly remember a Social Impact Study was done on Thika road and a recommendation was made that there should not be any building within one half a Kilometre from the road. But of course you know us Kenyans. Flats now fance the road within less than five metres. Vehicles stop abruptly on the highway to pick up passengers outside of their flats. Most accidents have occurred where residents attempt all manner of convenience at the expense of other road users.
The second cause of accidents and one that has robbed us several youth on the highway is night racing. Here we simply need to educate our youth. Most of us tried this even with narrow roads and sometimes I feel God must have been constantly with us.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: otieno.barrack@gmail.com Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange= jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:30:55 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: otieno.barrack@gmail.com Cc: Nashon Adero<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja< jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions< kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Well put bwana Aligula, you are bringing out the linkage between roads and ICTs by talking about data, I think this was the initial bone of contention, in your wisdom how do we capture this data and at what level can we intergrate intellÍgent transportations systems? Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Edith
In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction.
This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question.
Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition.
My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this.
So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again.
We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice.
Kind regards
Eric Aligula
Sent from my iPad
On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 May 2012 18:45 To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: "Eric Aligula" <jairah@kippra.or.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange= jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:00:40 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: Nashon Adero<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja< jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions< kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
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Dear Eric, Thanks for the enlightening explanation and I now see the role of data across the three stages - design, construction and operations. You've provided a good framework to guide any discussions on this issue on the list. I was struck by two points you raised: 1. "This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question." 2. " We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice." My final question, what role can ICTs under "smart transport solutions" play? And what is being done or planned in Kenya within this context? I think this is a useful debate to have w.r.t Thika Road as a case in point. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca -----Original Message----- From: Eric Aligula [mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:16 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Edith In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction. This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question. Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition. My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this. So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again. We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice. Kind regards Eric Aligula Sent from my iPad On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 May 2012 18:45 To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Hi Edith ICT is at the core of smart transportation by its unique role to impart information for decision making for example - Road design as mentioned by Dr Aligula require lots of data on traffic, loads and dispersion of the traffic etc -currently we have rudimentary processes to capture the data. CCTV , sensors, GPS etc ups the game with designers able to extrapolate, project and predict and with analytics all the data presented in this list will come alive presenting planners and policy makers features to be incorporated in road design for safety, seamless and integrated commuting ICT is the tool of choice to enhance the experience of the driver across the city ( information on the fingertips on least congested routes) commuter ( seamless and integrated options of travel) enforcement ( ability to take off rogues out of the road based on previous behaviour) parking ( sensors tell you where to park) investor ( where your matatu is and how much they have made) and for the authorities traffic management , efficient revenue collection - fines, parking fees and most importantly as a tool to change user behaviour . Nairobi is very important no just for the city residents but the whole of the region It is happening and IBM study cited examples where the ICT is a game changer in transportation . Dr Ndemo has thrown his hat in the ring by bringing the stakeholders together through the IBM study , it is now a challenge for us to take forward the recommendations and this we can -- basic infrastructure is in place , skills to develop the apps, partnership frameworks etc and most importantly the pain as a motivator is there - consider the jams of the last three weeks, the needless deaths on our roads , the time wastage , environmental impact --- cheers Muriuki Mureithi Consultant Member Society of Telecommunications Consultants Summit Strategies Ltd , www.summitstrategies.co.ke calling for a paradigm shift for ict policies for africa to the next level -http://www.apc.org/en/blog/calling-paradigm-shift-ict-policies-africa-growth -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: 18 May 2012 11:05 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Dear Eric, Thanks for the enlightening explanation and I now see the role of data across the three stages - design, construction and operations. You've provided a good framework to guide any discussions on this issue on the list. I was struck by two points you raised: 1. "This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question." 2. " We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice." My final question, what role can ICTs under "smart transport solutions" play? And what is being done or planned in Kenya within this context? I think this is a useful debate to have w.r.t Thika Road as a case in point. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca -----Original Message----- From: Eric Aligula [mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:16 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Edith In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction. This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question. Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition. My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this. So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again. We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice. Kind regards Eric Aligula Sent from my iPad On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 May 2012 18:45 To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
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Thanks MM, Josphat and Mbuguss, this is really a handfull of information, lets await more contributions and forwad them to KENHA, i suppose they participated in the IBM study if not we will share the findings with them and hear what they have to say. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, muriuki mureithi < mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Hi Edith ICT is at the core of smart transportation by its unique role to impart information for decision making for example - Road design as mentioned by Dr Aligula require lots of data on traffic, loads and dispersion of the traffic etc -currently we have rudimentary processes to capture the data. CCTV , sensors, GPS etc ups the game with designers able to extrapolate, project and predict and with analytics all the data presented in this list will come alive presenting planners and policy makers features to be incorporated in road design for safety, seamless and integrated commuting ICT is the tool of choice to enhance the experience of the driver across the city ( information on the fingertips on least congested routes) commuter ( seamless and integrated options of travel) enforcement ( ability to take off rogues out of the road based on previous behaviour) parking ( sensors tell you where to park) investor ( where your matatu is and how much they have made) and for the authorities traffic management , efficient revenue collection - fines, parking fees and most importantly as a tool to change user behaviour . Nairobi is very important no just for the city residents but the whole of the region
It is happening and IBM study cited examples where the ICT is a game changer in transportation . Dr Ndemo has thrown his hat in the ring by bringing the stakeholders together through the IBM study , it is now a challenge for us to take forward the recommendations and this we can -- basic infrastructure is in place , skills to develop the apps, partnership frameworks etc and most importantly the pain as a motivator is there - consider the jams of the last three weeks, the needless deaths on our roads , the time wastage , environmental impact ---
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi Consultant Member Society of Telecommunications Consultants Summit Strategies Ltd , www.summitstrategies.co.ke
calling for a paradigm shift for ict policies for africa to the next level - http://www.apc.org/en/blog/calling-paradigm-shift-ict-policies-africa-growth
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi= summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: 18 May 2012 11:05 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dear Eric,
Thanks for the enlightening explanation and I now see the role of data across the three stages - design, construction and operations.
You've provided a good framework to guide any discussions on this issue on the list. I was struck by two points you raised:
1. "This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question." 2. " We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice."
My final question, what role can ICTs under "smart transport solutions" play? And what is being done or planned in Kenya within this context? I think this is a useful debate to have w.r.t Thika Road as a case in point.
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca
-----Original Message----- From: Eric Aligula [mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:16 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Edith
In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction.
This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question.
Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition.
My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this.
So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again.
We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice.
Kind regards
Eric Aligula
Sent from my iPad
On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 May 2012 18:45 To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to
Listers, As we all ponder and contribute, here is my 1/= worth. If we ...i.e. the national insurance underwriter (Kenya Re), TLB, Police and the ICT community work together in coming up with a point based system for traffic violators, where if one is caught flouting rules, they are awarded penalty points (payable through Mobile money but the record still remains in the system). The system could also be designed in such a manner that when a driver is stopped, the cop and TLB official runs their DL number/Vehicle registration to determine if there are any outstanding warrants, etc.all insurers to be forced to charge very high premiums for vehicles and drivers that have X number of violations on their Vehicles & DL numbers, etc..I believe that if you hit drivers and vehicle owners hard in the pocket, they will reform! I for one will be hesitant to rent out/lend my car to a serial violator, I will be forced to ask for his DL #, send an SMS to confirm that they are not reckless drivers, etc Best Regards, Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:18 PM To: Edwin Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Thanks MM, Josphat and Mbuguss, this is really a handfull of information, lets await more contributions and forwad them to KENHA, i suppose they participated in the IBM study if not we will share the findings with them and hear what they have to say. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote: Hi Edith ICT is at the core of smart transportation by its unique role to impart information for decision making for example - Road design as mentioned by Dr Aligula require lots of data on traffic, loads and dispersion of the traffic etc -currently we have rudimentary processes to capture the data. CCTV , sensors, GPS etc ups the game with designers able to extrapolate, project and predict and with analytics all the data presented in this list will come alive presenting planners and policy makers features to be incorporated in road design for safety, seamless and integrated commuting ICT is the tool of choice to enhance the experience of the driver across the city ( information on the fingertips on least congested routes) commuter ( seamless and integrated options of travel) enforcement ( ability to take off rogues out of the road based on previous behaviour) parking ( sensors tell you where to park) investor ( where your matatu is and how much they have made) and for the authorities traffic management , efficient revenue collection - fines, parking fees and most importantly as a tool to change user behaviour . Nairobi is very important no just for the city residents but the whole of the region It is happening and IBM study cited examples where the ICT is a game changer in transportation . Dr Ndemo has thrown his hat in the ring by bringing the stakeholders together through the IBM study , it is now a challenge for us to take forward the recommendations and this we can -- basic infrastructure is in place , skills to develop the apps, partnership frameworks etc and most importantly the pain as a motivator is there - consider the jams of the last three weeks, the needless deaths on our roads , the time wastage , environmental impact --- cheers Muriuki Mureithi Consultant Member Society of Telecommunications Consultants Summit Strategies Ltd , www.summitstrategies.co.ke calling for a paradigm shift for ict policies for africa to the next level -http://www.apc.org/en/blog/calling-paradigm-shift-ict-policies-africa-growt h -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bmureithi> =summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: 18 May 2012 11:05 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Dear Eric, Thanks for the enlightening explanation and I now see the role of data across the three stages - design, construction and operations. You've provided a good framework to guide any discussions on this issue on the list. I was struck by two points you raised: 1. "This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question." 2. " We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice." My final question, what role can ICTs under "smart transport solutions" play? And what is being done or planned in Kenya within this context? I think this is a useful debate to have w.r.t Thika Road as a case in point. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 <tel:%2B254-20-2711063> | Mobile: +254-733-624345 <tel:%2B254-733-624345> eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca -----Original Message----- From: Eric Aligula [mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:16 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Edith In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction. This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question. Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition. My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this. So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again. We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice. Kind regards Eric Aligula Sent from my iPad On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road
safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's
too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 May 2012 18:45 To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of
the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams.
The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that
foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road
that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerryR
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Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to
Edwin - I fully agree with you that a 'point-based-system' is needed to bring sanity on our roads. I am aware of an organization that has developed such a system that integrates all the relevant bodies - police, insurance, KRA, etc. They were recently awarded money to develop the system further, under the KICTB Tandaa Local Digital Content Grant. Does anyone have more details on the system? Esther From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edwin Onchari Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 6:48 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'Nashon Adero'; 'James Gachanja'; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Listers, As we all ponder and contribute, here is my 1/= worth. If we ...i.e. the national insurance underwriter (Kenya Re), TLB, Police and the ICT community work together in coming up with a point based system for traffic violators, where if one is caught flouting rules, they are awarded penalty points (payable through Mobile money but the record still remains in the system). The system could also be designed in such a manner that when a driver is stopped, the cop and TLB official runs their DL number/Vehicle registration to determine if there are any outstanding warrants, etc.all insurers to be forced to charge very high premiums for vehicles and drivers that have X number of violations on their Vehicles & DL numbers, etc..I believe that if you hit drivers and vehicle owners hard in the pocket, they will reform! I for one will be hesitant to rent out/lend my car to a serial violator, I will be forced to ask for his DL #, send an SMS to confirm that they are not reckless drivers, etc Best Regards, Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:18 PM To: Edwin Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Thanks MM, Josphat and Mbuguss, this is really a handfull of information, lets await more contributions and forwad them to KENHA, i suppose they participated in the IBM study if not we will share the findings with them and hear what they have to say. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote: Hi Edith ICT is at the core of smart transportation by its unique role to impart information for decision making for example - Road design as mentioned by Dr Aligula require lots of data on traffic, loads and dispersion of the traffic etc -currently we have rudimentary processes to capture the data. CCTV , sensors, GPS etc ups the game with designers able to extrapolate, project and predict and with analytics all the data presented in this list will come alive presenting planners and policy makers features to be incorporated in road design for safety, seamless and integrated commuting ICT is the tool of choice to enhance the experience of the driver across the city ( information on the fingertips on least congested routes) commuter ( seamless and integrated options of travel) enforcement ( ability to take off rogues out of the road based on previous behaviour) parking ( sensors tell you where to park) investor ( where your matatu is and how much they have made) and for the authorities traffic management , efficient revenue collection - fines, parking fees and most importantly as a tool to change user behaviour . Nairobi is very important no just for the city residents but the whole of the region It is happening and IBM study cited examples where the ICT is a game changer in transportation . Dr Ndemo has thrown his hat in the ring by bringing the stakeholders together through the IBM study , it is now a challenge for us to take forward the recommendations and this we can -- basic infrastructure is in place , skills to develop the apps, partnership frameworks etc and most importantly the pain as a motivator is there - consider the jams of the last three weeks, the needless deaths on our roads , the time wastage , environmental impact --- cheers Muriuki Mureithi Consultant Member Society of Telecommunications Consultants Summit Strategies Ltd , www.summitstrategies.co.ke calling for a paradigm shift for ict policies for africa to the next level -http://www.apc.org/en/blog/calling-paradigm-shift-ict-policies-africa-growt h -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bmureithi> =summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: 18 May 2012 11:05 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Dear Eric, Thanks for the enlightening explanation and I now see the role of data across the three stages - design, construction and operations. You've provided a good framework to guide any discussions on this issue on the list. I was struck by two points you raised: 1. "This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question." 2. " We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice." My final question, what role can ICTs under "smart transport solutions" play? And what is being done or planned in Kenya within this context? I think this is a useful debate to have w.r.t Thika Road as a case in point. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 <tel:%2B254-20-2711063> | Mobile: +254-733-624345 <tel:%2B254-733-624345> eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca -----Original Message----- From: Eric Aligula [mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:16 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Edith In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction. This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question. Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition. My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this. So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again. We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice. Kind regards Eric Aligula Sent from my iPad On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road
safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's
too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 May 2012 18:45 To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of
the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams.
The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that
foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road
that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerryR
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Good Morning Listers, Esther, we are working on this 'point based system'. We developed the Motor Vehicle Inspection System a 3 years ago. We recently embarked on developing a mobile platform to compliment the system. KICTB did give us a grant to implement the solution. We have a lot of motorist and motor vehicle information that we believe should be at the police officers reach when he pulls you over. This is essentially what we want to achieve. I should also point out that we are not integrated with KRA or Insurance at the moment as Esther stated. We are however trying to establish these connections. Our platform will provide access to the MVI System to the Police, Motor vehicle inspectors and the public through Mobile Applications. Sent from my iPad On May 19, 2012, at 12:12 PM, "Esther Muchiri" <emuchiri@andestbites.com> wrote:
Edwin – I fully agree with you that a ‘point-based-system’ is needed to bring sanity on our roads.
I am aware of an organization that has developed such a system that integrates all the relevant bodies – police, insurance, KRA, etc. They were recently awarded money to develop the system further, under the KICTB Tandaa Local Digital Content Grant.
Does anyone have more details on the system?
Esther
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edwin Onchari Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 6:48 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'Nashon Adero'; 'James Gachanja'; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Listers,
As we all ponder and contribute, here is my 1/= worth.
If we …..i.e. the national insurance underwriter (Kenya Re), TLB, Police and the ICT community work together in coming up with a point based system for traffic violators, where if one is caught flouting rules, they are awarded penalty points (payable through Mobile money but the record still remains in the system). The system could also be designed in such a manner that when a driver is stopped, the cop and TLB official runs their DL number/Vehicle registration to determine if there are any outstanding warrants, etc…all insurers to be forced to charge very high premiums for vehicles and drivers that have X number of violations on their Vehicles & DL numbers, etc..I believe that if you hit drivers and vehicle owners hard in the pocket, they will reform! I for one will be hesitant to rent out/lend my car to a serial violator, I will be forced to ask for his DL #, send an SMS to confirm that they are not reckless drivers, etc
Best Regards,
Edwin From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:18 PM To: Edwin Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Thanks MM, Josphat and Mbuguss, this is really a handfull of information, lets await more contributions and forwad them to KENHA, i suppose they participated in the IBM study if not we will share the findings with them and hear what they have to say.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote: Hi Edith ICT is at the core of smart transportation by its unique role to impart information for decision making for example - Road design as mentioned by Dr Aligula require lots of data on traffic, loads and dispersion of the traffic etc -currently we have rudimentary processes to capture the data. CCTV , sensors, GPS etc ups the game with designers able to extrapolate, project and predict and with analytics all the data presented in this list will come alive presenting planners and policy makers features to be incorporated in road design for safety, seamless and integrated commuting ICT is the tool of choice to enhance the experience of the driver across the city ( information on the fingertips on least congested routes) commuter ( seamless and integrated options of travel) enforcement ( ability to take off rogues out of the road based on previous behaviour) parking ( sensors tell you where to park) investor ( where your matatu is and how much they have made) and for the authorities traffic management , efficient revenue collection - fines, parking fees and most importantly as a tool to change user behaviour . Nairobi is very important no just for the city residents but the whole of the region
It is happening and IBM study cited examples where the ICT is a game changer in transportation . Dr Ndemo has thrown his hat in the ring by bringing the stakeholders together through the IBM study , it is now a challenge for us to take forward the recommendations and this we can -- basic infrastructure is in place , skills to develop the apps, partnership frameworks etc and most importantly the pain as a motivator is there - consider the jams of the last three weeks, the needless deaths on our roads , the time wastage , environmental impact ---
cheers
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Dear Eric,
Thanks for the enlightening explanation and I now see the role of data across the three stages - design, construction and operations.
You've provided a good framework to guide any discussions on this issue on the list. I was struck by two points you raised:
1. "This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question." 2. " We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice."
My final question, what role can ICTs under "smart transport solutions" play? And what is being done or planned in Kenya within this context? I think this is a useful debate to have w.r.t Thika Road as a case in point.
Edith
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Edith
In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction.
This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question.
Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition.
My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this.
So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again.
We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice.
Kind regards
Eric Aligula
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On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
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Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
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Good heavens. Just as we debate road safety on Thika road, here I am with Mkokoteni ahead of me. Do we really need to find out what causes accidents here? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Muraya Kamau <martin@deveint.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 13:17:36 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: Nashon Adero<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja<jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Listers, There seems to be an agreement the main cause of accidents is human factors mainly drivers and our expected to be enforcers of the law who go about it with selective application. Muraya, as you develop the MVI I hope the access to the public through mobile apps will also allow the public to report law enforcement officers who are corrupt on the road! The enforcement bit can be directed towards the driver but to be effective in Kenya it's also a big issue with the boys in blue. Regards, Patrick M. Karanja ________________________________ From: Muraya Kamau <martin@deveint.com> To: mutuota@yahoo.com Cc: Nashon Adero <nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja <jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Good Morning Listers, Esther, we are working on this 'point based system'. We developed the Motor Vehicle Inspection System a 3 years ago. We recently embarked on developing a mobile platform to compliment the system. KICTB did give us a grant to implement the solution. We have a lot of motorist and motor vehicle information that we believe should be at the police officers reach when he pulls you over. This is essentially what we want to achieve. I should also point out that we are not integrated with KRA or Insurance at the moment as Esther stated. We are however trying to establish these connections. Our platform will provide access to the MVI System to the Police, Motor vehicle inspectors and the public through Mobile Applications. Sent from my iPad On May 19, 2012, at 12:12 PM, "Esther Muchiri" <emuchiri@andestbites.com> wrote: Edwin – I fully agree with you that a ‘point-based-system’ is needed to bring sanity on our roads.
I am aware of an organization that has developed such a system that integrates all the relevant bodies – police, insurance, KRA, etc. They were recently awarded money to develop the system further, under the KICTB Tandaa Local Digital Content Grant. Does anyone have more details on the system? Esther From:kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edwin Onchari Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 6:48 PM To: emuchiri@andestbites.com Cc: 'Nashon Adero'; 'James Gachanja'; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Listers, As we all ponder and contribute, here is my 1/= worth. If we …..i.e. the national insurance underwriter (Kenya Re), TLB, Police and the ICT community work together in coming up with a point based system for traffic violators, where if one is caught flouting rules, they are awarded penalty points (payable through Mobile money but the record still remains in the system). The system could also be designed in such a manner that when a driver is stopped, the cop and TLB official runs their DL number/Vehicle registration to determine if there are any outstanding warrants, etc…all insurers to be forced to charge very high premiums for vehicles and drivers that have X number of violations on their Vehicles & DL numbers, etc..I believe that if you hit drivers and vehicle owners hard in the pocket, they will reform! I for one will be hesitant to rent out/lend my car to a serial violator, I will be forced to ask for his DL #, send an SMS to confirm that they are not reckless drivers, etc Best Regards, Edwin From:kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:18 PM To: Edwin Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Thanks MM, Josphat and Mbuguss, this is really a handfull of information, lets await more contributions and forwad them to KENHA, i suppose they participated in the IBM study if not we will share the findings with them and hear what they have to say. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote: Hi Edith ICT is at the core of smart transportation by its unique role to impart information for decision making for example - Road design as mentioned by Dr Aligula require lots of data on traffic, loads and dispersion of the traffic etc -currently we have rudimentary processes to capture the data. CCTV , sensors, GPS etc ups the game with designers able to extrapolate, project and predict and with analytics all the data presented in this list will come alive presenting planners and policy makers features to be incorporated in road design for safety, seamless and integrated commuting ICT is the tool of choice to enhance the experience of the driver across the city ( information on the fingertips on least congested routes) commuter ( seamless and integrated options of travel) enforcement ( ability to take off rogues out of the road based on previous behaviour) parking ( sensors tell you where to park) investor ( where your matatu is and how much they have made) and for the authorities traffic management , efficient revenue collection - fines, parking fees and most importantly as a tool to change user behaviour . Nairobi is very important no just for the city residents but the whole of the region
It is happening and IBM study cited examples where the ICT is a game changer in transportation . Dr Ndemo has thrown his hat in the ring by bringing the stakeholders together through the IBM study , it is now a challenge for us to take forward the recommendations and this we can -- basic infrastructure is in place , skills to develop the apps, partnership frameworks etc and most importantly the pain as a motivator is there - consider the jams of the last three weeks, the needless deaths on our roads , the time wastage , environmental impact ---
cheers
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Dear Eric,
Thanks for the enlightening explanation and I now see the role of data across the three stages - design, construction and operations.
You've provided a good framework to guide any discussions on this issue on the list. I was struck by two points you raised:
1. "This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question." 2. " We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice."
My final question, what role can ICTs under "smart transport solutions" play? And what is being done or planned in Kenya within this context? I think this is a useful debate to have w.r.t Thika Road as a case in point.
Edith
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-----Original Message----- From: Eric Aligula [mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:16 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Edith
In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction.
This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question.
Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition.
My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this.
So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again.
We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice.
Kind regards
Eric Aligula
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On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke [bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: 17 May 2012 18:45 To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Dakitari, When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
Regards.
Ndemo.
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We have the road now.The reasonable way forward is to determine which mitigation measures and technologies can be deployed to improve safety on the road. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Eric Aligula" <jairah@kippra.or.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:00:40 To: <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Nashon Adero<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; James Gachanja<jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40ya... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Many thanks GG, i came across http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/techwatch/Pages/Workshop-on-ICT-and-Road-Safety.... , it might help enrich the discussion. My question to the KENHA is are there any efforts aimed at incorporating Intelligent transportaion systems ? Kenyans are importing smarter vehicles and we need corresponding infrastructure for instance if an accident occurs on those high speed lanes cant we find a way of warning speeding drivers who might be coming from behind. My Second question to KENHA is what provisions have you made for telecommunications Infrastructure and Fibre are we likely to see the roads being dug up or hear cases of Fibre cuts by Contractors fixing the roads? Thank you Best Regards On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:24 PM, <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Listers and our friends from KENHA , this is much better http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/techwatch/Documents/WSIS11-4-ITU-ITU,%20ICT%20an... . I suggest that in future we should have broad consultative efforts so that we can have better infrastructure even roads and ICTS have linkages, we have experts on this list who can be of help. Best Regards On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Many thanks GG, i came across http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/techwatch/Pages/Workshop-on-ICT-and-Road-Safety.... , it might help enrich the discussion. My question to the KENHA is are there any efforts aimed at incorporating Intelligent transportaion systems ? Kenyans are importing smarter vehicles and we need corresponding infrastructure for instance if an accident occurs on those high speed lanes cant we find a way of warning speeding drivers who might be coming from behind.
My Second question to KENHA is what provisions have you made for telecommunications Infrastructure and Fibre are we likely to see the roads being dug up or hear cases of Fibre cuts by Contractors fixing the roads?
Thank you
Best Regards
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:24 PM, <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Thank you. It is gratifying to note the drop in casualties, injured, etc between 2003 and 2005 - I think that is attributable to the "Michuki rules". Curious to know what happened between 1977 and 1979 to cause a drastic drop (looks like 100% y-o-y) in "serious injuries per 100 casualties"? (in the "Crash survival rates chart). Looking at "Road risk travel patterns" - where it shows the "fatalities per 100,000 vehicles" seems to show an all time low (since 1963) in 2011. I think to "read" this accurately we'd perhaps want to: 1 - Compare the population growth rate vs growth rate of vehicles on the road. If the human population has grown faster, then naturally the fatalities per 100k vehicles will be lower - a distortion I think. 2 - Between 1963 and 2011 there have been more roads built, more towns developed, etc ergo more time spent on the road, longer distances travelled collectively, greater time spent on the roads, etc and perhaps higher probabilities of accidents happening. Also I would like to think the types of roads themselves increase the risks of accidents by speeding - higher chances of fatalities on smooth tarmac than on a lumpy murram back road. Just my two bits. However, some of the listers feel ICT can help with the issue of Thika Road - but your stats esp for 2003-2005 CLEARLY show that slight changes to the traffic code and proper enforcement can help turn this around. So lets pass the buck to the minister of transport, the traffic police etc. On 17 May 2012 18:00, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Listers****
** **
As you debate the very grave road safety situation in Kenya, we would wish to share this preliminary information from a study we are conducting on the accuracy of road safety data. Good data is critical for effective policy formulation, implementation and evaluation. Anecdotal evidence suggests a significant level of underreporting, compounded by errors in other complimentary data sets.****
** **
However, on the basis of what is available, we aver that the major problem in respect of road safety in Kenya is a human problem. That is our weakest link. How to deal with it is key.****
** **
It is very broad brush and we welcome feedback even as we look for answers from Thika Road.****
** **
Kind regards****
** **
Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD****
*Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division*
*Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA)*
*P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951 E-mail: jairah@kippra.or.ke URL: www.kippra.org * [image: Description: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315921_2204829722683_13055837...] **
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*John F. Kennedy *
“To allow other people’s assessment of you to determine your own self-assessment is a very big mistake” ****
*Columbia University President Lee Bollinger*
"Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat."****
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@ Francis, Whats your take on the design issues raised by Dr. Aligula, on another note and to emphasise on the your last paragraph people get away with offences because the officer has the power to release you depending on how you interface on the road, this is a deeply rooted problem can we reduce by intergrating Cameras and other forms of technology that would help deter waywardness. ICTs can help reinforce current enforcement methods. Best Regards On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Thank you. It is gratifying to note the drop in casualties, injured, etc between 2003 and 2005 - I think that is attributable to the "Michuki rules".
Curious to know what happened between 1977 and 1979 to cause a drastic drop (looks like 100% y-o-y) in "serious injuries per 100 casualties"? (in the "Crash survival rates chart).
Looking at "Road risk travel patterns" - where it shows the "fatalities per 100,000 vehicles" seems to show an all time low (since 1963) in 2011. I think to "read" this accurately we'd perhaps want to: 1 - Compare the population growth rate vs growth rate of vehicles on the road. If the human population has grown faster, then naturally the fatalities per 100k vehicles will be lower - a distortion I think. 2 - Between 1963 and 2011 there have been more roads built, more towns developed, etc ergo more time spent on the road, longer distances travelled collectively, greater time spent on the roads, etc and perhaps higher probabilities of accidents happening. Also I would like to think the types of roads themselves increase the risks of accidents by speeding - higher chances of fatalities on smooth tarmac than on a lumpy murram back road.
Just my two bits. However, some of the listers feel ICT can help with the issue of Thika Road - but your stats esp for 2003-2005 CLEARLY show that slight changes to the traffic code and proper enforcement can help turn this around. So lets pass the buck to the minister of transport, the traffic police etc.
On 17 May 2012 18:00, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Listers****
** **
As you debate the very grave road safety situation in Kenya, we would wish to share this preliminary information from a study we are conducting on the accuracy of road safety data. Good data is critical for effective policy formulation, implementation and evaluation. Anecdotal evidence suggests a significant level of underreporting, compounded by errors in other complimentary data sets.****
** **
However, on the basis of what is available, we aver that the major problem in respect of road safety in Kenya is a human problem. That is our weakest link. How to deal with it is key.****
** **
It is very broad brush and we welcome feedback even as we look for answers from Thika Road.****
** **
Kind regards****
** **
Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD****
*Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division*
*Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA)*
*P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951 E-mail: jairah@kippra.or.ke URL: www.kippra.org * [image: Description: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315921_2204829722683_13055837...] **
*Proudly Kenyan, Kenyan by Nature!***
“In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility……….I welcome it.”****
*John F. Kennedy *
“To allow other people’s assessment of you to determine your own self-assessment is a very big mistake” ****
*Columbia University President Lee Bollinger*
"Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat."****
*Theodore Roosevelt*****
*"Ex Africa semper aliquid novi"*
*“Per aspera ad astra!”* ****
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Hi Barrack Thanks. I think before integrating ICT into the mix, the enforcement itself MUST be fixed. Otherwise cameras will only tell us the obvious - that traffic police and motorists are both culpable. The word "impunity" has oft been bandied around when it comes to Kenya and Kenyans - I am not convinced a camera will shame anyone into proper behavior or to uphold the law. As it were various TV stations have on different occasions secretly filmed police taking bribes, motorists flouting the law, etc (and pls bear in mind, unlike CCTV, TV's reach is much wider and such coverage does "sting" more than the individuals in the footage. Has that helped? I think a solution should solve a problem without creating others e.g. who will monitor the cameras? OK say we get the funds to hire people to do that. Then who will monitor those monitoring the cameras to ensure they too do not get sucked into graft (i.e. delete footage, look the other way, etc). Let me take a few steps back. The traffic police are the ones meant to monitor motorists and ensure the law is upheld. Now that is not happening. So we want to mount CCTV cameras to monitor them....then we need people to monitor those monitoring the cameras who are monitoring the police who are not monitoring the motorists. This can go all the way upstream. I think we'd be opening a can of worms if we add a layer of ICT on a problem whose solution should first be proper enforcement to bring about behavioural change. At some point the anti-corruption authority was doing well to ambush bribe takers....I think that's the type of solution we need first....an independent body to deal with graft. Once that rot is fixed, CCTV can be added to help the police themselves to dientify hit and runs, monitor and direct traffic flows, etc etc and not simply be a "big brother" type of device intended to scare police and motorists to comply. My two bits. regards F On 18 May 2012 08:19, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Francis,
Whats your take on the design issues raised by Dr. Aligula, on another note and to emphasise on the your last paragraph people get away with offences because the officer has the power to release you depending on how you interface on the road, this is a deeply rooted problem can we reduce by intergrating Cameras and other forms of technology that would help deter waywardness. ICTs can help reinforce current enforcement methods.
Best Regards
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Thank you. It is gratifying to note the drop in casualties, injured, etc between 2003 and 2005 - I think that is attributable to the "Michuki rules".
Curious to know what happened between 1977 and 1979 to cause a drastic drop (looks like 100% y-o-y) in "serious injuries per 100 casualties"? (in the "Crash survival rates chart).
Looking at "Road risk travel patterns" - where it shows the "fatalities per 100,000 vehicles" seems to show an all time low (since 1963) in 2011. I think to "read" this accurately we'd perhaps want to: 1 - Compare the population growth rate vs growth rate of vehicles on the road. If the human population has grown faster, then naturally the fatalities per 100k vehicles will be lower - a distortion I think. 2 - Between 1963 and 2011 there have been more roads built, more towns developed, etc ergo more time spent on the road, longer distances travelled collectively, greater time spent on the roads, etc and perhaps higher probabilities of accidents happening. Also I would like to think the types of roads themselves increase the risks of accidents by speeding - higher chances of fatalities on smooth tarmac than on a lumpy murram back road.
Just my two bits. However, some of the listers feel ICT can help with the issue of Thika Road - but your stats esp for 2003-2005 CLEARLY show that slight changes to the traffic code and proper enforcement can help turn this around. So lets pass the buck to the minister of transport, the traffic police etc.
On 17 May 2012 18:00, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Listers****
** **
As you debate the very grave road safety situation in Kenya, we would wish to share this preliminary information from a study we are conducting on the accuracy of road safety data. Good data is critical for effective policy formulation, implementation and evaluation. Anecdotal evidence suggests a significant level of underreporting, compounded by errors in other complimentary data sets.****
** **
However, on the basis of what is available, we aver that the major problem in respect of road safety in Kenya is a human problem. That is our weakest link. How to deal with it is key.****
** **
It is very broad brush and we welcome feedback even as we look for answers from Thika Road.****
** **
Kind regards****
** **
Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD****
*Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division*
*Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA)*
*P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951 E-mail: jairah@kippra.or.ke URL: www.kippra.org * [image: Description: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315921_2204829722683_13055837...] **
*Proudly Kenyan, Kenyan by Nature!***
“In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility……….I welcome it.”****
*John F. Kennedy *
“To allow other people’s assessment of you to determine your own self-assessment is a very big mistake” ****
*Columbia University President Lee Bollinger*
"Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat."****
*Theodore Roosevelt*****
*"Ex Africa semper aliquid novi"*
*“Per aspera ad astra!”* ****
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Well said Francis i agree with the issues you raise, we have to deal with softer issues but i still see the need for Smart Infrastructure lets await the data promised by Dr. Ndemo hoping he is given permission it might give further insights. Best Regards On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Barrack Thanks. I think before integrating ICT into the mix, the enforcement itself MUST be fixed. Otherwise cameras will only tell us the obvious - that traffic police and motorists are both culpable. The word "impunity" has oft been bandied around when it comes to Kenya and Kenyans - I am not convinced a camera will shame anyone into proper behavior or to uphold the law. As it were various TV stations have on different occasions secretly filmed police taking bribes, motorists flouting the law, etc (and pls bear in mind, unlike CCTV, TV's reach is much wider and such coverage does "sting" more than the individuals in the footage. Has that helped?
I think a solution should solve a problem without creating others e.g. who will monitor the cameras? OK say we get the funds to hire people to do that. Then who will monitor those monitoring the cameras to ensure they too do not get sucked into graft (i.e. delete footage, look the other way, etc). Let me take a few steps back. The traffic police are the ones meant to monitor motorists and ensure the law is upheld. Now that is not happening. So we want to mount CCTV cameras to monitor them....then we need people to monitor those monitoring the cameras who are monitoring the police who are not monitoring the motorists. This can go all the way upstream.
I think we'd be opening a can of worms if we add a layer of ICT on a problem whose solution should first be proper enforcement to bring about behavioural change. At some point the anti-corruption authority was doing well to ambush bribe takers....I think that's the type of solution we need first....an independent body to deal with graft. Once that rot is fixed, CCTV can be added to help the police themselves to dientify hit and runs, monitor and direct traffic flows, etc etc and not simply be a "big brother" type of device intended to scare police and motorists to comply.
My two bits.
regards
F
On 18 May 2012 08:19, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Francis,
Whats your take on the design issues raised by Dr. Aligula, on another note and to emphasise on the your last paragraph people get away with offences because the officer has the power to release you depending on how you interface on the road, this is a deeply rooted problem can we reduce by intergrating Cameras and other forms of technology that would help deter waywardness. ICTs can help reinforce current enforcement methods.
Best Regards
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Thank you. It is gratifying to note the drop in casualties, injured, etc between 2003 and 2005 - I think that is attributable to the "Michuki rules".
Curious to know what happened between 1977 and 1979 to cause a drastic drop (looks like 100% y-o-y) in "serious injuries per 100 casualties"? (in the "Crash survival rates chart).
Looking at "Road risk travel patterns" - where it shows the "fatalities per 100,000 vehicles" seems to show an all time low (since 1963) in 2011. I think to "read" this accurately we'd perhaps want to: 1 - Compare the population growth rate vs growth rate of vehicles on the road. If the human population has grown faster, then naturally the fatalities per 100k vehicles will be lower - a distortion I think. 2 - Between 1963 and 2011 there have been more roads built, more towns developed, etc ergo more time spent on the road, longer distances travelled collectively, greater time spent on the roads, etc and perhaps higher probabilities of accidents happening. Also I would like to think the types of roads themselves increase the risks of accidents by speeding - higher chances of fatalities on smooth tarmac than on a lumpy murram back road.
Just my two bits. However, some of the listers feel ICT can help with the issue of Thika Road - but your stats esp for 2003-2005 CLEARLY show that slight changes to the traffic code and proper enforcement can help turn this around. So lets pass the buck to the minister of transport, the traffic police etc.
On 17 May 2012 18:00, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Listers****
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As you debate the very grave road safety situation in Kenya, we would wish to share this preliminary information from a study we are conducting on the accuracy of road safety data. Good data is critical for effective policy formulation, implementation and evaluation. Anecdotal evidence suggests a significant level of underreporting, compounded by errors in other complimentary data sets.****
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However, on the basis of what is available, we aver that the major problem in respect of road safety in Kenya is a human problem. That is our weakest link. How to deal with it is key.****
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It is very broad brush and we welcome feedback even as we look for answers from Thika Road.****
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Kind regards****
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Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD****
*Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division*
*Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA)*
*P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951 E-mail: jairah@kippra.or.ke URL: www.kippra.org * [image: Description: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315921_2204829722683_13055837...] **
*Proudly Kenyan, Kenyan by Nature!***
“In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility……….I welcome it.”****
*John F. Kennedy *
“To allow other people’s assessment of you to determine your own self-assessment is a very big mistake” ****
*Columbia University President Lee Bollinger*
"Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat."****
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Hi Barrack The IBM Smart transportation study inspired by PS Dr Ndemo proposes a framework to empower stakeholders in transportation to make evidenced based on data for decision making to make commuting a joy, safe , efficient and the cost effective . Following public comments from a broad range of stakeholders last Friday , the final report should be ready shortly for distribution as necessary . cheers Muriuki Mureithi Consultant Member Society of Telecommunications Consultants Summit Strategies Ltd , www.summitstrategies.co.ke calling for a paradigm shift for ict policies for africa to the next level -http://www.apc.org/en/blog/calling-paradigm-shift-ict-policies-africa-growt h From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: 18 May 2012 09:09 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Well said Francis i agree with the issues you raise, we have to deal with softer issues but i still see the need for Smart Infrastructure lets await the data promised by Dr. Ndemo hoping he is given permission it might give further insights. Best Regards On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Barrack Thanks. I think before integrating ICT into the mix, the enforcement itself MUST be fixed. Otherwise cameras will only tell us the obvious - that traffic police and motorists are both culpable. The word "impunity" has oft been bandied around when it comes to Kenya and Kenyans - I am not convinced a camera will shame anyone into proper behavior or to uphold the law. As it were various TV stations have on different occasions secretly filmed police taking bribes, motorists flouting the law, etc (and pls bear in mind, unlike CCTV, TV's reach is much wider and such coverage does "sting" more than the individuals in the footage. Has that helped? I think a solution should solve a problem without creating others e.g. who will monitor the cameras? OK say we get the funds to hire people to do that. Then who will monitor those monitoring the cameras to ensure they too do not get sucked into graft (i.e. delete footage, look the other way, etc). Let me take a few steps back. The traffic police are the ones meant to monitor motorists and ensure the law is upheld. Now that is not happening. So we want to mount CCTV cameras to monitor them....then we need people to monitor those monitoring the cameras who are monitoring the police who are not monitoring the motorists. This can go all the way upstream. I think we'd be opening a can of worms if we add a layer of ICT on a problem whose solution should first be proper enforcement to bring about behavioural change. At some point the anti-corruption authority was doing well to ambush bribe takers....I think that's the type of solution we need first....an independent body to deal with graft. Once that rot is fixed, CCTV can be added to help the police themselves to dientify hit and runs, monitor and direct traffic flows, etc etc and not simply be a "big brother" type of device intended to scare police and motorists to comply. My two bits. regards F On 18 May 2012 08:19, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: @ Francis, Whats your take on the design issues raised by Dr. Aligula, on another note and to emphasise on the your last paragraph people get away with offences because the officer has the power to release you depending on how you interface on the road, this is a deeply rooted problem can we reduce by intergrating Cameras and other forms of technology that would help deter waywardness. ICTs can help reinforce current enforcement methods. Best Regards On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you. It is gratifying to note the drop in casualties, injured, etc between 2003 and 2005 - I think that is attributable to the "Michuki rules". Curious to know what happened between 1977 and 1979 to cause a drastic drop (looks like 100% y-o-y) in "serious injuries per 100 casualties"? (in the "Crash survival rates chart). Looking at "Road risk travel patterns" - where it shows the "fatalities per 100,000 vehicles" seems to show an all time low (since 1963) in 2011. I think to "read" this accurately we'd perhaps want to: 1 - Compare the population growth rate vs growth rate of vehicles on the road. If the human population has grown faster, then naturally the fatalities per 100k vehicles will be lower - a distortion I think. 2 - Between 1963 and 2011 there have been more roads built, more towns developed, etc ergo more time spent on the road, longer distances travelled collectively, greater time spent on the roads, etc and perhaps higher probabilities of accidents happening. Also I would like to think the types of roads themselves increase the risks of accidents by speeding - higher chances of fatalities on smooth tarmac than on a lumpy murram back road. Just my two bits. However, some of the listers feel ICT can help with the issue of Thika Road - but your stats esp for 2003-2005 CLEARLY show that slight changes to the traffic code and proper enforcement can help turn this around. So lets pass the buck to the minister of transport, the traffic police etc. On 17 May 2012 18:00, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote: Listers As you debate the very grave road safety situation in Kenya, we would wish to share this preliminary information from a study we are conducting on the accuracy of road safety data. Good data is critical for effective policy formulation, implementation and evaluation. Anecdotal evidence suggests a significant level of underreporting, compounded by errors in other complimentary data sets. However, on the basis of what is available, we aver that the major problem in respect of road safety in Kenya is a human problem. That is our weakest link. How to deal with it is key. It is very broad brush and we welcome feedback even as we look for answers from Thika Road. Kind regards Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA) P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951 <tel:%2B254-20-2719951> E-mail: <mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke> jairah@kippra.or.ke URL: <http://www.kippra.org/> www.kippra.org Description: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315921_2204829722683_13055837 17_32015056_8138703_n.jpg Proudly Kenyan, Kenyan by Nature! "In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility....I welcome it." John F. Kennedy "To allow other people's assessment of you to determine your own self-assessment is a very big mistake" Columbia University President Lee Bollinger "Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt "Ex Africa semper aliquid novi" "Per aspera ad astra!" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/francis.hook%40gmail.co m The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Francis Hook +254 733 504561 <tel:%2B254%20733%20504561> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail. com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Thanks MM, that's a noble idea we look forwad to the report. Congratulations to the planners of the initiative. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "muriuki mureithi" <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:34:02 To: 'Barrack Otieno'<otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Reply-To: <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> Cc: 'Nashon Adero'<nadero@kippra.or.ke>; 'James Gachanja'<jgachanja@kippra.or.ke>; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Hi Barrack The IBM Smart transportation study inspired by PS Dr Ndemo proposes a framework to empower stakeholders in transportation to make evidenced based on data for decision making to make commuting a joy, safe , efficient and the cost effective . Following public comments from a broad range of stakeholders last Friday , the final report should be ready shortly for distribution as necessary . cheers Muriuki Mureithi Consultant Member Society of Telecommunications Consultants Summit Strategies Ltd , www.summitstrategies.co.ke calling for a paradigm shift for ict policies for africa to the next level -http://www.apc.org/en/blog/calling-paradigm-shift-ict-policies-africa-growt h From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: 18 May 2012 09:09 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Well said Francis i agree with the issues you raise, we have to deal with softer issues but i still see the need for Smart Infrastructure lets await the data promised by Dr. Ndemo hoping he is given permission it might give further insights. Best Regards On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Barrack Thanks. I think before integrating ICT into the mix, the enforcement itself MUST be fixed. Otherwise cameras will only tell us the obvious - that traffic police and motorists are both culpable. The word "impunity" has oft been bandied around when it comes to Kenya and Kenyans - I am not convinced a camera will shame anyone into proper behavior or to uphold the law. As it were various TV stations have on different occasions secretly filmed police taking bribes, motorists flouting the law, etc (and pls bear in mind, unlike CCTV, TV's reach is much wider and such coverage does "sting" more than the individuals in the footage. Has that helped? I think a solution should solve a problem without creating others e.g. who will monitor the cameras? OK say we get the funds to hire people to do that. Then who will monitor those monitoring the cameras to ensure they too do not get sucked into graft (i.e. delete footage, look the other way, etc). Let me take a few steps back. The traffic police are the ones meant to monitor motorists and ensure the law is upheld. Now that is not happening. So we want to mount CCTV cameras to monitor them....then we need people to monitor those monitoring the cameras who are monitoring the police who are not monitoring the motorists. This can go all the way upstream. I think we'd be opening a can of worms if we add a layer of ICT on a problem whose solution should first be proper enforcement to bring about behavioural change. At some point the anti-corruption authority was doing well to ambush bribe takers....I think that's the type of solution we need first....an independent body to deal with graft. Once that rot is fixed, CCTV can be added to help the police themselves to dientify hit and runs, monitor and direct traffic flows, etc etc and not simply be a "big brother" type of device intended to scare police and motorists to comply. My two bits. regards F On 18 May 2012 08:19, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: @ Francis, Whats your take on the design issues raised by Dr. Aligula, on another note and to emphasise on the your last paragraph people get away with offences because the officer has the power to release you depending on how you interface on the road, this is a deeply rooted problem can we reduce by intergrating Cameras and other forms of technology that would help deter waywardness. ICTs can help reinforce current enforcement methods. Best Regards On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you. It is gratifying to note the drop in casualties, injured, etc between 2003 and 2005 - I think that is attributable to the "Michuki rules". Curious to know what happened between 1977 and 1979 to cause a drastic drop (looks like 100% y-o-y) in "serious injuries per 100 casualties"? (in the "Crash survival rates chart). Looking at "Road risk travel patterns" - where it shows the "fatalities per 100,000 vehicles" seems to show an all time low (since 1963) in 2011. I think to "read" this accurately we'd perhaps want to: 1 - Compare the population growth rate vs growth rate of vehicles on the road. If the human population has grown faster, then naturally the fatalities per 100k vehicles will be lower - a distortion I think. 2 - Between 1963 and 2011 there have been more roads built, more towns developed, etc ergo more time spent on the road, longer distances travelled collectively, greater time spent on the roads, etc and perhaps higher probabilities of accidents happening. Also I would like to think the types of roads themselves increase the risks of accidents by speeding - higher chances of fatalities on smooth tarmac than on a lumpy murram back road. Just my two bits. However, some of the listers feel ICT can help with the issue of Thika Road - but your stats esp for 2003-2005 CLEARLY show that slight changes to the traffic code and proper enforcement can help turn this around. So lets pass the buck to the minister of transport, the traffic police etc. On 17 May 2012 18:00, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote: Listers As you debate the very grave road safety situation in Kenya, we would wish to share this preliminary information from a study we are conducting on the accuracy of road safety data. Good data is critical for effective policy formulation, implementation and evaluation. Anecdotal evidence suggests a significant level of underreporting, compounded by errors in other complimentary data sets. However, on the basis of what is available, we aver that the major problem in respect of road safety in Kenya is a human problem. That is our weakest link. How to deal with it is key. It is very broad brush and we welcome feedback even as we look for answers from Thika Road. Kind regards Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA) P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951 <tel:%2B254-20-2719951> E-mail: <mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke> jairah@kippra.or.ke URL: <http://www.kippra.org/> www.kippra.org Description: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315921_2204829722683_13055837 17_32015056_8138703_n.jpg Proudly Kenyan, Kenyan by Nature! "In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility....I welcome it." John F. Kennedy "To allow other people's assessment of you to determine your own self-assessment is a very big mistake" Columbia University President Lee Bollinger "Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt "Ex Africa semper aliquid novi" "Per aspera ad astra!" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/francis.hook%40gmail.co m The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Francis Hook +254 733 504561 <tel:%2B254%20733%20504561> _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail. com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Francis, Good points. We should avoid "ICTs looking for the problem", but first define the problem through an evidence-base and strategically see where smart transport solutions would add value and address the problems - part of the framework Mureithi alluded to. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Francis Hook Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:42 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Hi Barrack Thanks. I think before integrating ICT into the mix, the enforcement itself MUST be fixed. Otherwise cameras will only tell us the obvious - that traffic police and motorists are both culpable. The word "impunity" has oft been bandied around when it comes to Kenya and Kenyans - I am not convinced a camera will shame anyone into proper behavior or to uphold the law. As it were various TV stations have on different occasions secretly filmed police taking bribes, motorists flouting the law, etc (and pls bear in mind, unlike CCTV, TV's reach is much wider and such coverage does "sting" more than the individuals in the footage. Has that helped? I think a solution should solve a problem without creating others e.g. who will monitor the cameras? OK say we get the funds to hire people to do that. Then who will monitor those monitoring the cameras to ensure they too do not get sucked into graft (i.e. delete footage, look the other way, etc). Let me take a few steps back. The traffic police are the ones meant to monitor motorists and ensure the law is upheld. Now that is not happening. So we want to mount CCTV cameras to monitor them....then we need people to monitor those monitoring the cameras who are monitoring the police who are not monitoring the motorists. This can go all the way upstream. I think we'd be opening a can of worms if we add a layer of ICT on a problem whose solution should first be proper enforcement to bring about behavioural change. At some point the anti-corruption authority was doing well to ambush bribe takers....I think that's the type of solution we need first....an independent body to deal with graft. Once that rot is fixed, CCTV can be added to help the police themselves to dientify hit and runs, monitor and direct traffic flows, etc etc and not simply be a "big brother" type of device intended to scare police and motorists to comply. My two bits. regards F On 18 May 2012 08:19, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: @ Francis, Whats your take on the design issues raised by Dr. Aligula, on another note and to emphasise on the your last paragraph people get away with offences because the officer has the power to release you depending on how you interface on the road, this is a deeply rooted problem can we reduce by intergrating Cameras and other forms of technology that would help deter waywardness. ICTs can help reinforce current enforcement methods. Best Regards On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com<mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com>> wrote: Thank you. It is gratifying to note the drop in casualties, injured, etc between 2003 and 2005 - I think that is attributable to the "Michuki rules". Curious to know what happened between 1977 and 1979 to cause a drastic drop (looks like 100% y-o-y) in "serious injuries per 100 casualties"? (in the "Crash survival rates chart). Looking at "Road risk travel patterns" - where it shows the "fatalities per 100,000 vehicles" seems to show an all time low (since 1963) in 2011. I think to "read" this accurately we'd perhaps want to: 1 - Compare the population growth rate vs growth rate of vehicles on the road. If the human population has grown faster, then naturally the fatalities per 100k vehicles will be lower - a distortion I think. 2 - Between 1963 and 2011 there have been more roads built, more towns developed, etc ergo more time spent on the road, longer distances travelled collectively, greater time spent on the roads, etc and perhaps higher probabilities of accidents happening. Also I would like to think the types of roads themselves increase the risks of accidents by speeding - higher chances of fatalities on smooth tarmac than on a lumpy murram back road. Just my two bits. However, some of the listers feel ICT can help with the issue of Thika Road - but your stats esp for 2003-2005 CLEARLY show that slight changes to the traffic code and proper enforcement can help turn this around. So lets pass the buck to the minister of transport, the traffic police etc. On 17 May 2012 18:00, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke<mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke>> wrote: Listers As you debate the very grave road safety situation in Kenya, we would wish to share this preliminary information from a study we are conducting on the accuracy of road safety data. Good data is critical for effective policy formulation, implementation and evaluation. Anecdotal evidence suggests a significant level of underreporting, compounded by errors in other complimentary data sets. However, on the basis of what is available, we aver that the major problem in respect of road safety in Kenya is a human problem. That is our weakest link. How to deal with it is key. It is very broad brush and we welcome feedback even as we look for answers from Thika Road. Kind regards Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA) P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951<tel:%2B254-20-2719951> E-mail: jairah@kippra.or.ke<mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke> URL: www.kippra.org<http://www.kippra.org/> [cid:image001.jpg@01CD34E9.60B79240] Proudly Kenyan, Kenyan by Nature! "In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility..........I welcome it." John F. 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Dear Listers, I have followed this debate from the sidelines and have reached the conclusions below: 1. The is a fundamental design flaw on our roads - This is evidence by input from Dr Ndemo which was "ignored". Are the concerned parties now ready to listen or are we going to export these problems to Langata Rd, Ngong Rd, New airport terminals, Lamu Port etc? 2. There is the role played by the auditors at various stages as defined above - Do we have evidence that KeNHA engages these or in other words do we have people in Government/Private sector playing that role currently? 3. There is data collection and it role - But as we know data is useless unless turned to information. Do the relevant authority use this data? Work is on going on Langata road and am sure in four months we will be crying foul. 4. There is the common user and there very annoying problems - turn-offs which are suddenly blocked with no notice, on coming vehicle channeled to your lane, taking one hour to get to your gate while all the time you can see it a few meters from wehre you are stuck! Who is listening and helping? 5. There is the role that ICT can play to enable smart infrastructure - my take is that unless we embed it in at step 1 (design) above, it will be most likely be cosmetic. 6. There is the policy, cultural and "peculiar kenyan" habits to deal with - illegal u-turns, not using foot bridges (Valley Road!), bribes,over lapping (Especially for GK vehicles) etc. How do we deal with that? Is the current Traffic Amendment act the best way to go at it? 7. Lastly, there is the silent prayer for Michuki's "resurrection" - Who will be the champion for this change - Especially item 6 above. my two cents.. Regards ........................................................... Josphat Karanja, * * On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Francis,****
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Good points. We should avoid “ICTs looking for the problem”, but first define the problem through an evidence-base and strategically see where smart transport solutions would add value and address the problems – part of the framework Mureithi alluded to.****
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Edith****
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International Development Research Centre ****
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Francis Hook *Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2012 8:42 AM
*To:* Edith Adera *Cc:* Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status****
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Hi Barrack****
Thanks. I think before integrating ICT into the mix, the enforcement itself MUST be fixed. Otherwise cameras will only tell us the obvious - that traffic police and motorists are both culpable. The word "impunity" has oft been bandied around when it comes to Kenya and Kenyans - I am not convinced a camera will shame anyone into proper behavior or to uphold the law. As it were various TV stations have on different occasions secretly filmed police taking bribes, motorists flouting the law, etc (and pls bear in mind, unlike CCTV, TV's reach is much wider and such coverage does "sting" more than the individuals in the footage. Has that helped?****
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I think a solution should solve a problem without creating others e.g. who will monitor the cameras? OK say we get the funds to hire people to do that. Then who will monitor those monitoring the cameras to ensure they too do not get sucked into graft (i.e. delete footage, look the other way, etc). Let me take a few steps back. The traffic police are the ones meant to monitor motorists and ensure the law is upheld. Now that is not happening. So we want to mount CCTV cameras to monitor them....then we need people to monitor those monitoring the cameras who are monitoring the police who are not monitoring the motorists. This can go all the way upstream.****
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I think we'd be opening a can of worms if we add a layer of ICT on a problem whose solution should first be proper enforcement to bring about behavioural change. At some point the anti-corruption authority was doing well to ambush bribe takers....I think that's the type of solution we need first....an independent body to deal with graft. Once that rot is fixed, CCTV can be added to help the police themselves to dientify hit and runs, monitor and direct traffic flows, etc etc and not simply be a "big brother" type of device intended to scare police and motorists to comply.* ***
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My two bits.****
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regards****
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On 18 May 2012 08:19, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:****
@ Francis,****
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Whats your take on the design issues raised by Dr. Aligula, on another note and to emphasise on the your last paragraph people get away with offences because the officer has the power to release you depending on how you interface on the road, this is a deeply rooted problem can we reduce by intergrating Cameras and other forms of technology that would help deter waywardness. ICTs can help reinforce current enforcement methods.****
** **
Best Regards****
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:****
Thank you. It is gratifying to note the drop in casualties, injured, etc between 2003 and 2005 - I think that is attributable to the "Michuki rules". ****
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Curious to know what happened between 1977 and 1979 to cause a drastic drop (looks like 100% y-o-y) in "serious injuries per 100 casualties"? (in the "Crash survival rates chart). ****
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Looking at "Road risk travel patterns" - where it shows the "fatalities per 100,000 vehicles" seems to show an all time low (since 1963) in 2011. I think to "read" this accurately we'd perhaps want to:****
1 - Compare the population growth rate vs growth rate of vehicles on the road. If the human population has grown faster, then naturally the fatalities per 100k vehicles will be lower - a distortion I think. ****
2 - Between 1963 and 2011 there have been more roads built, more towns developed, etc ergo more time spent on the road, longer distances travelled collectively, greater time spent on the roads, etc and perhaps higher probabilities of accidents happening. Also I would like to think the types of roads themselves increase the risks of accidents by speeding - higher chances of fatalities on smooth tarmac than on a lumpy murram back road.** **
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Just my two bits. However, some of the listers feel ICT can help with the issue of Thika Road - but your stats esp for 2003-2005 CLEARLY show that slight changes to the traffic code and proper enforcement can help turn this around. So lets pass the buck to the minister of transport, the traffic police etc.****
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On 17 May 2012 18:00, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:****
Listers****
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As you debate the very grave road safety situation in Kenya, we would wish to share this preliminary information from a study we are conducting on the accuracy of road safety data. Good data is critical for effective policy formulation, implementation and evaluation. Anecdotal evidence suggests a significant level of underreporting, compounded by errors in other complimentary data sets.****
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However, on the basis of what is available, we aver that the major problem in respect of road safety in Kenya is a human problem. That is our weakest link. How to deal with it is key.****
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It is very broad brush and we welcome feedback even as we look for answers from Thika Road.****
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Kind regards****
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*Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division*****
*Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA)*****
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Listers, Here is the IBM study plus key findings and recommendations and the press release Key Findings (Short Term Proposals): - Existing CCTV networks in addition to analytics software could be leveraged to monitor traffic flow and predict traffic flow in order to allow Police to direct traffic more effectively - Traffic police could use mobile phone based solutions to communicate traffic updates as well as enforce traffic rules through an integrated system that would link into the transport operations centre - Mobile phone signals could track and identify hotspots, alerting mobile users to routes to avoid - Commuters could access an open data portal that would be used to enforce traffic rules and also monitor traffic flows - Parking systems in the city could be automated, alerting commuters to open spaces in the city and minimising time spent searching for traffic (Nairobi has one of the world's longest parking wait times, taking between 30-45 minutes to identify a spot, leading to increased congestion in the CBD - Source: IBM Parking Survey 2011) - Cashless payment systems for PSVs would enable fare stabilisation and limit opportunities for theft by operators and criminals - Tracking solutions would ensure that PSVs are sticking to their specified route as well as provide a means to track violators IBM Team Finds Innovative Use of Technology Could Ease Nairobi’s Traffic Jams Execution of identified projects could help relieve city gridlock within 90 days of implementation NAIROBI, Kenya - May 11, 2012: A team of IBM (NYSE: IBM) top experts assigned to Nairobi today provided a cohesive framework and roadmap to the city to improve the flow of road traffic, increase revenues from the transportation sector, and enhance collaboration between various transport bodies. The recommendations complement Nairobi's considerable ongoing investment in underlying roadway infrastructure. They include making traffic information more readily available to citizens, motorists, police, policymakers and planners so that better transportation decisions can be made in the near and far term. The blueprint presented by the IBM team also includes suggestions for using available technologies, including mobile phones, sensors and CCTV, to more automatically pinpoint traffic issues. In the recommended plan, parking and licensing would also be digitized and automated -- streamlining bureaucratic processes and increasing citizen satisfaction. The IBM team, which performed several months of preparation before spending three weeks in local residence, studied Nairobi’s transportation system as part of an IBM Smarter Cities Challenge grant valued at Sh33 million (US $400,000), announced in March of this year. “A city is a system of systems – one key finding of the study is that technology could provide a relatively simple way of bringing together existing systems to streamline the city’s transport sector and increase revenues for the government,” said Tony Mwai, Country General Manager, IBM East Africa. Despite impressive investments in building road networks, inefficiencies within the city's transport sector cost Nairobi an estimated Sh50 million per day, negating revenues and commercial benefits from otherwise significant road infrastructure, and limiting the region’s economic growth. “The government has made immense investments in infrastructure over the last 10 years but we are challenged by the fact that many departments within government are working in isolation and not collaborating,” said Dr. Bitange Ndemo, Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Information and Communications. “We will review these recommendations made by the IBM team with a view to fast-tracking them to help maintain Nairobi’s position as a key regional economic hub,” Dr Ndemo said. Intelligent Transport Solutions The team of IBM consultants recommended the creation of a cross-departmental Smarter Transportation Authority that would harness initiatives taking place across government agencies under a single unit. This would allow for faster rollout of decongestion plans, enhancing revenue collection for government agencies and tightening enforcement of traffic rules. In addition, the IBM consultants advised the development of a Smarter Transportation Platform with an intelligent operations command centre, leveraging existing and new closed-circuit television networks that show vehicle, traffic and roadway conditions as events unfold. Enabling stakeholders such as citizens and police to view these video feeds online would lead to a decrease in traffic congestion by allowing commuters to plan their trips accordingly and police to allocate manpower more efficiently. Another suggestion was to integrate data from multiple sources, including mobile phone signals generated from citizens stuck in traffic jams, to pin-point traffic hot-spots. Analytics software could then be used to predict future flow issues, pushing the information needed to re-direct traffic to the intelligent operations centre. The team also suggested digitizing parking for the speed and ease of finding parking spaces, to minimize congestion and to reduce environmental impact as well as using mobile devices to empower traffic police to monitor and manage traffic offenders through an intelligent enforcement solution. The team’s findings follow the recent launch of an IBM research report titled "A Vision of a Smarter City: How Nairobi Can Lead the Way into a Prosperous and Sustainable Future" which highlights transportation, energy and public safety as three critical areas that the city must address in order to boost its economic competitiveness. Smarter Cites Challenge Nairobi beat 140 other cities around the world to become one of IBM’s Smarter Cities Challenge winners in March. Launched in 2011, the IBM initiative is a three-year, 100-city US $50 million program and is IBM's single-largest philanthropic outreach. Along with the deployment of a specialist team of expert consultants who focus on the city’s primary challenge, IBM provides special assistance to each winning city on the use of City Forward (http://www.cityforward.org), a free online site IBM created with public policy experts. Citizens, elected officials and urban planners can use the site to explore trends and statistics in a visual and accessible way, which can be adapted for the examination of any number of urban issues -- leading to better decision making. “Nairobi demonstrated a desire to set an example for other municipalities, an eagerness to collaborate with multiple stakeholders, and a strong commitment to consider implementing recommendations the city felt would be the most feasible and beneficial to its residents." said Stanley S. Litow, IBM vice president of Corporate Citizenship & Corporate Affairs, and President of IBM's Foundation. To find out more about IBM Smarter Cities Challenge grants, please visit http://smartercitieschallenge.org/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sJ_3H0K3zo On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Josphat Karanja <karanjajf@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Listers,
I have followed this debate from the sidelines and have reached the conclusions below:
1. The is a fundamental design flaw on our roads - This is evidence by input from Dr Ndemo which was "ignored". Are the concerned parties now ready to listen or are we going to export these problems to Langata Rd, Ngong Rd, New airport terminals, Lamu Port etc? 2. There is the role played by the auditors at various stages as defined above - Do we have evidence that KeNHA engages these or in other words do we have people in Government/Private sector playing that role currently? 3. There is data collection and it role - But as we know data is useless unless turned to information. Do the relevant authority use this data? Work is on going on Langata road and am sure in four months we will be crying foul. 4. There is the common user and there very annoying problems - turn-offs which are suddenly blocked with no notice, on coming vehicle channeled to your lane, taking one hour to get to your gate while all the time you can see it a few meters from wehre you are stuck! Who is listening and helping? 5. There is the role that ICT can play to enable smart infrastructure - my take is that unless we embed it in at step 1 (design) above, it will be most likely be cosmetic. 6. There is the policy, cultural and "peculiar kenyan" habits to deal with - illegal u-turns, not using foot bridges (Valley Road!), bribes,over lapping (Especially for GK vehicles) etc. How do we deal with that? Is the current Traffic Amendment act the best way to go at it? 7. Lastly, there is the silent prayer for Michuki's "resurrection" - Who will be the champion for this change - Especially item 6 above.
my two cents.. Regards ........................................................... Josphat Karanja, * *
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
Francis,****
** **
Good points. We should avoid “ICTs looking for the problem”, but first define the problem through an evidence-base and strategically see where smart transport solutions would add value and address the problems – part of the framework Mureithi alluded to.****
** **
Edith****
*________________*
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Senior Program Specialist ****
Climate Change and Water Program****
Agriculture and Environment ****
International Development Research Centre ****
Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa ****
Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya****
+254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345****
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Francis Hook *Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2012 8:42 AM
*To:* Edith Adera *Cc:* Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status****
** **
Hi Barrack****
Thanks. I think before integrating ICT into the mix, the enforcement itself MUST be fixed. Otherwise cameras will only tell us the obvious - that traffic police and motorists are both culpable. The word "impunity" has oft been bandied around when it comes to Kenya and Kenyans - I am not convinced a camera will shame anyone into proper behavior or to uphold the law. As it were various TV stations have on different occasions secretly filmed police taking bribes, motorists flouting the law, etc (and pls bear in mind, unlike CCTV, TV's reach is much wider and such coverage does "sting" more than the individuals in the footage. Has that helped?****
** **
I think a solution should solve a problem without creating others e.g. who will monitor the cameras? OK say we get the funds to hire people to do that. Then who will monitor those monitoring the cameras to ensure they too do not get sucked into graft (i.e. delete footage, look the other way, etc). Let me take a few steps back. The traffic police are the ones meant to monitor motorists and ensure the law is upheld. Now that is not happening. So we want to mount CCTV cameras to monitor them....then we need people to monitor those monitoring the cameras who are monitoring the police who are not monitoring the motorists. This can go all the way upstream.****
** **
I think we'd be opening a can of worms if we add a layer of ICT on a problem whose solution should first be proper enforcement to bring about behavioural change. At some point the anti-corruption authority was doing well to ambush bribe takers....I think that's the type of solution we need first....an independent body to deal with graft. Once that rot is fixed, CCTV can be added to help the police themselves to dientify hit and runs, monitor and direct traffic flows, etc etc and not simply be a "big brother" type of device intended to scare police and motorists to comply. ****
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My two bits.****
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regards****
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F****
On 18 May 2012 08:19, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:*** *
@ Francis,****
** **
Whats your take on the design issues raised by Dr. Aligula, on another note and to emphasise on the your last paragraph people get away with offences because the officer has the power to release you depending on how you interface on the road, this is a deeply rooted problem can we reduce by intergrating Cameras and other forms of technology that would help deter waywardness. ICTs can help reinforce current enforcement methods.****
** **
Best Regards****
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:****
Thank you. It is gratifying to note the drop in casualties, injured, etc between 2003 and 2005 - I think that is attributable to the "Michuki rules". ****
** **
Curious to know what happened between 1977 and 1979 to cause a drastic drop (looks like 100% y-o-y) in "serious injuries per 100 casualties"? (in the "Crash survival rates chart). ****
** **
Looking at "Road risk travel patterns" - where it shows the "fatalities per 100,000 vehicles" seems to show an all time low (since 1963) in 2011. I think to "read" this accurately we'd perhaps want to:****
1 - Compare the population growth rate vs growth rate of vehicles on the road. If the human population has grown faster, then naturally the fatalities per 100k vehicles will be lower - a distortion I think. ****
2 - Between 1963 and 2011 there have been more roads built, more towns developed, etc ergo more time spent on the road, longer distances travelled collectively, greater time spent on the roads, etc and perhaps higher probabilities of accidents happening. Also I would like to think the types of roads themselves increase the risks of accidents by speeding - higher chances of fatalities on smooth tarmac than on a lumpy murram back road.* ***
** **
Just my two bits. However, some of the listers feel ICT can help with the issue of Thika Road - but your stats esp for 2003-2005 CLEARLY show that slight changes to the traffic code and proper enforcement can help turn this around. So lets pass the buck to the minister of transport, the traffic police etc.****
** **
** **
On 17 May 2012 18:00, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:****
Listers****
****
As you debate the very grave road safety situation in Kenya, we would wish to share this preliminary information from a study we are conducting on the accuracy of road safety data. Good data is critical for effective policy formulation, implementation and evaluation. Anecdotal evidence suggests a significant level of underreporting, compounded by errors in other complimentary data sets.****
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However, on the basis of what is available, we aver that the major problem in respect of road safety in Kenya is a human problem. That is our weakest link. How to deal with it is key.****
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Edith See follow this link. http://www.unep.org/transport/sharetheroad/PDF/irap_kenya_results_2009.p df This was a road safety audit in 2009 of some of the roads and it will help you see the challenge that needs to be addressed. Kind regards Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA) P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951 E-mail: jairah@kippra.or.ke <mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke> URL: www.kippra.org <http://www.kippra.org/> Proudly Kenyan, Kenyan by Nature! "In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility..........I welcome it." John F. Kennedy "To allow other people's assessment of you to determine your own self-assessment is a very big mistake" Columbia University President Lee Bollinger "Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory, nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt "Ex Africa semper aliquid novi" "Per aspera ad astra!" From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+jairah=kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:29 AM To: Eric Aligula Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Francis, Good points. We should avoid "ICTs looking for the problem", but first define the problem through an evidence-base and strategically see where smart transport solutions would add value and address the problems - part of the framework Mureithi alluded to. Edith --________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Francis Hook Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:42 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: Nashon Adero; James Gachanja; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status Hi Barrack Thanks. I think before integrating ICT into the mix, the enforcement itself MUST be fixed. Otherwise cameras will only tell us the obvious - that traffic police and motorists are both culpable. The word "impunity" has oft been bandied around when it comes to Kenya and Kenyans - I am not convinced a camera will shame anyone into proper behavior or to uphold the law. As it were various TV stations have on different occasions secretly filmed police taking bribes, motorists flouting the law, etc (and pls bear in mind, unlike CCTV, TV's reach is much wider and such coverage does "sting" more than the individuals in the footage. Has that helped? I think a solution should solve a problem without creating others e.g. who will monitor the cameras? OK say we get the funds to hire people to do that. Then who will monitor those monitoring the cameras to ensure they too do not get sucked into graft (i.e. delete footage, look the other way, etc). Let me take a few steps back. The traffic police are the ones meant to monitor motorists and ensure the law is upheld. Now that is not happening. So we want to mount CCTV cameras to monitor them....then we need people to monitor those monitoring the cameras who are monitoring the police who are not monitoring the motorists. This can go all the way upstream. I think we'd be opening a can of worms if we add a layer of ICT on a problem whose solution should first be proper enforcement to bring about behavioural change. At some point the anti-corruption authority was doing well to ambush bribe takers....I think that's the type of solution we need first....an independent body to deal with graft. Once that rot is fixed, CCTV can be added to help the police themselves to dientify hit and runs, monitor and direct traffic flows, etc etc and not simply be a "big brother" type of device intended to scare police and motorists to comply. My two bits. regards F On 18 May 2012 08:19, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: @ Francis, Whats your take on the design issues raised by Dr. Aligula, on another note and to emphasise on the your last paragraph people get away with offences because the officer has the power to release you depending on how you interface on the road, this is a deeply rooted problem can we reduce by intergrating Cameras and other forms of technology that would help deter waywardness. ICTs can help reinforce current enforcement methods. Best Regards On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you. It is gratifying to note the drop in casualties, injured, etc between 2003 and 2005 - I think that is attributable to the "Michuki rules". Curious to know what happened between 1977 and 1979 to cause a drastic drop (looks like 100% y-o-y) in "serious injuries per 100 casualties"? (in the "Crash survival rates chart). Looking at "Road risk travel patterns" - where it shows the "fatalities per 100,000 vehicles" seems to show an all time low (since 1963) in 2011. I think to "read" this accurately we'd perhaps want to: 1 - Compare the population growth rate vs growth rate of vehicles on the road. If the human population has grown faster, then naturally the fatalities per 100k vehicles will be lower - a distortion I think. 2 - Between 1963 and 2011 there have been more roads built, more towns developed, etc ergo more time spent on the road, longer distances travelled collectively, greater time spent on the roads, etc and perhaps higher probabilities of accidents happening. Also I would like to think the types of roads themselves increase the risks of accidents by speeding - higher chances of fatalities on smooth tarmac than on a lumpy murram back road. Just my two bits. However, some of the listers feel ICT can help with the issue of Thika Road - but your stats esp for 2003-2005 CLEARLY show that slight changes to the traffic code and proper enforcement can help turn this around. So lets pass the buck to the minister of transport, the traffic police etc. On 17 May 2012 18:00, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote: Listers As you debate the very grave road safety situation in Kenya, we would wish to share this preliminary information from a study we are conducting on the accuracy of road safety data. Good data is critical for effective policy formulation, implementation and evaluation. Anecdotal evidence suggests a significant level of underreporting, compounded by errors in other complimentary data sets. However, on the basis of what is available, we aver that the major problem in respect of road safety in Kenya is a human problem. That is our weakest link. How to deal with it is key. It is very broad brush and we welcome feedback even as we look for answers from Thika Road. Kind regards Eric Aligula Magolo, PhD Programmes Coordinator & Ag. Head, Infrastructure and Economic Services Division Kenya Institute for Public Policy Research and Analysis (KIPPRA) P.O. Box 56445, 00200 Nairobi, Kenya Telephone: +254-20-2719933/4 Fax: +254-20-2719951 <tel:%2B254-20-2719951> E-mail: jairah@kippra.or.ke <mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke> URL: www.kippra.org <http://www.kippra.org/> Proudly Kenyan, Kenyan by Nature! "In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility..........I welcome it." John F. 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Dear Listers, I am looking for statistics on various issues relating mainly to the availability of the Internet in Kenya. I am interested in finding out whether there are statistics on broadband internet penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population) between 2005 and 2010. I am also looking for mobile phone penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population), 20052010. What percentage of the figures is 3G? Any figures on ADSL broadband (primary users), wireless broadband (primary users) for between 2005 and 2010. Does anybody also have figures on circulation figures for Kenyan newspapers for the years 20052010. Any figures on radio, TV, newspaper, mobile phone use as a platform for news for the years 2005-2010 would be appreciated. I need the data for an academic research so any assistance would be hugely appreciated. George -- Dr George Nyabuga Associate Director School of Journalism & Mass Communication University of Nairobi Education Building Harry Thuku Road PO Box 30197 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya Tel: +254(0)20 318262 Fax: +254(0)20 2229168 Mobile: +254 (0)72151 6573 Email: gnyabuga@uonbi.ac.ke, gnyabuga@yahoo.co.uk www.uonbi.ac.ke ----------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ UNIVERSITY OF NAIROBI IS ISO CERTIFIED The University of Nairobi is committed to providing quality services to all its clients. The University will monitor and review its quality performance from time to time through an effective implementation of the Quality Management System based on ISO 9001:2008 standard. University of Nairobi Website: http://www.uonbi.ac.ke/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Could you try the CCK Quarterly Statistics, good place to start. Best Regards On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 1:35 PM, George Nyabuga <gnyabuga@uonbi.ac.ke>wrote:
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I am looking for statistics on various issues relating mainly to the availability of the Internet in Kenya. I am interested in finding out whether there are statistics on broadband internet penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population) between 2005 and 2010. I am also looking for mobile phone penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population), 2005–2010. What percentage of the figures is 3G? Any figures on ADSL broadband (primary users), wireless broadband (primary users) for between 2005 and 2010.
Does anybody also have figures on circulation figures for Kenyan newspapers for the years 2005–2010. Any figures on radio, TV, newspaper, mobile phone use as a platform for news for the years 2005-2010 would be appreciated.
I need the data for an academic research so any assistance would be hugely appreciated.
George
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George, Barrack, True, CCK is the best starting place http://www.researchictafrica.net/home.php Then Research ICT Africa http://www.researchictafrica.net/home.php and finally ITU http://www.itu.int/en/Pages/default.aspx a couple of other UN/International Bodies to this as well UNDESA, WorldBank, etc. walu. walu. --- On Fri, 5/18/12, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Media data To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, May 18, 2012, 1:40 PM Could you try the CCK Quarterly Statistics, good place to start. Best Regards On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 1:35 PM, George Nyabuga <gnyabuga@uonbi.ac.ke> wrote: Dear Listers, I am looking for statistics on various issues relating mainly to the availability of the Internet in Kenya. I am interested in finding out whether there are statistics on broadband internet penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population) between 2005 and 2010. I am also looking for mobile phone penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population), 2005–2010. What percentage of the figures is 3G? Any figures on ADSL broadband (primary users), wireless broadband (primary users) for between 2005 and 2010. Does anybody also have figures on circulation figures for Kenyan newspapers for the years 2005–2010. Any figures on radio, TV, newspaper, mobile phone use as a platform for news for the years 2005-2010 would be appreciated. I need the data for an academic research so any assistance would be hugely appreciated. George -- Dr George Nyabuga Associate Director School of Journalism & Mass Communication University of Nairobi Education Building Harry Thuku Road PO Box 30197 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya Tel: +254(0)20 318262 Fax: +254(0)20 2229168 Mobile: +254 (0)72151 6573 Email: gnyabuga@uonbi.ac.ke, gnyabuga@yahoo.co.uk www.uonbi.ac.ke ----------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ UNIVERSITY OF NAIROBI IS ISO CERTIFIED The University of Nairobi is committed to providing quality services to all its clients. The University will monitor and review its quality performance from time to time through an effective implementation of the Quality Management System based on ISO 9001:2008 standard. University of Nairobi Website: http://www.uonbi.ac.ke/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Barrack O. Otieno+254721325277+254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otienohttp://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
George The audit bureau of circulation for newspapers. Synovate and CCK usually have figures on electronic media. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
George, Barrack,
True, CCK is the best starting place http://www.researchictafrica.net/home.php Then Research ICT Africa
http://www.researchictafrica.net/home.php and finally ITU
http://www.itu.int/en/Pages/default.aspx
a couple of other UN/International Bodies to this as well UNDESA, WorldBank, etc.
walu. walu.
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From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Media data To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, May 18, 2012, 1:40 PM
Could you try the CCK Quarterly Statistics, good place to start.
Best Regards
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Dear Listers,
I am looking for statistics on various issues relating mainly to the availability of the Internet in Kenya. I am interested in finding out whether there are statistics on broadband internet penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population) between 2005 and 2010. I am also looking for mobile phone penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population), 2005–2010. What percentage of the figures is 3G? Any figures on ADSL broadband (primary users), wireless broadband (primary users) for between 2005 and 2010.
Does anybody also have figures on circulation figures for Kenyan newspapers for the years 2005–2010. Any figures on radio, TV, newspaper, mobile phone use as a platform for news for the years 2005-2010 would be appreciated.
I need the data for an academic research so any assistance would be hugely appreciated.
George
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George, Research ICT Africa has done the most comprhensive work on policy and regulations in Africa and do have some data on Kenya (our very own Tim Waema is part of this team and you can get in touch with him for more details). See link at http://www.researchictafrica.net/data.php (click on the Kenyan map) http://www.researchictafrica.net/countries.php?cid=13 (this one gives you some data on Kenya). CCK's research unit should be another source. They have a GIS Unit and Library which should be a useful place to start. All the best. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of George Nyabuga Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:36 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Media data Dear Listers, I am looking for statistics on various issues relating mainly to the availability of the Internet in Kenya. I am interested in finding out whether there are statistics on broadband internet penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population) between 2005 and 2010. I am also looking for mobile phone penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population), 2005-2010. What percentage of the figures is 3G? Any figures on ADSL broadband (primary users), wireless broadband (primary users) for between 2005 and 2010. Does anybody also have figures on circulation figures for Kenyan newspapers for the years 2005-2010. Any figures on radio, TV, newspaper, mobile phone use as a platform for news for the years 2005-2010 would be appreciated. I need the data for an academic research so any assistance would be hugely appreciated. George -- Dr George Nyabuga Associate Director School of Journalism & Mass Communication University of Nairobi Education Building Harry Thuku Road PO Box 30197 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya Tel: +254(0)20 318262 Fax: +254(0)20 2229168 Mobile: +254 (0)72151 6573 Email: gnyabuga@uonbi.ac.ke, gnyabuga@yahoo.co.uk www.uonbi.ac.ke ----------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ UNIVERSITY OF NAIROBI IS ISO CERTIFIED The University of Nairobi is committed to providing quality services to all its clients. The University will monitor and review its quality performance from time to time through an effective implementation of the Quality Management System based on ISO 9001:2008 standard. University of Nairobi Website: http://www.uonbi.ac.ke/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eadera%40idrc.or.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Thanks so much Barrack, Edith, Walu, James et al. for your assistance. Great stuff on the CCK website. I don't think the ABC figures for newspaper (and other print media) are available so any other source would be appreciated. And Synovate always charge so much for the figures. I have talked with them before and they refused to give me the stats. George
George,
Research ICT Africa has done the most comprhensive work on policy and regulations in Africa and do have some data on Kenya (our very own Tim Waema is part of this team and you can get in touch with him for more details).
See link at http://www.researchictafrica.net/data.php (click on the Kenyan map)
http://www.researchictafrica.net/countries.php?cid=13 (this one gives you some data on Kenya).
CCK's research unit should be another source. They have a GIS Unit and Library which should be a useful place to start.
All the best.
Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist Climate Change and Water Program Agriculture and Environment International Development Research Centre Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Liason House 2nd floor, State House Avenue, Nairobi, Kenya +254-20-2713160/1 | Fax: +254-20-2711063 | Mobile: +254-733-624345 eadera@idrc.ca | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of George Nyabuga Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 1:36 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Media data
Dear Listers,
I am looking for statistics on various issues relating mainly to the availability of the Internet in Kenya. I am interested in finding out whether there are statistics on broadband internet penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population) between 2005 and 2010. I am also looking for mobile phone penetration rate in Kenya (% of total population), 2005-2010. What percentage of the figures is 3G? Any figures on ADSL broadband (primary users), wireless broadband (primary users) for between 2005 and 2010.
Does anybody also have figures on circulation figures for Kenyan newspapers for the years 2005-2010. Any figures on radio, TV, newspaper, mobile phone use as a platform for news for the years 2005-2010 would be appreciated.
I need the data for an academic research so any assistance would be hugely appreciated.
George
-- Dr George Nyabuga Associate Director School of Journalism & Mass Communication University of Nairobi Education Building Harry Thuku Road PO Box 30197 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya Tel: +254(0)20 318262 Fax: +254(0)20 2229168 Mobile: +254 (0)72151 6573 Email: gnyabuga@uonbi.ac.ke, gnyabuga@yahoo.co.uk www.uonbi.ac.ke
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The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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The University of Nairobi is committed to providing quality services to all its clients. The University will monitor and review its quality performance from time to time through an effective implementation of the Quality Management System based on ISO 9001:2008 standard.
University of Nairobi Website: http://www.uonbi.ac.ke/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-- Dr George Nyabuga Associate Director School of Journalism & Mass Communication University of Nairobi Education Building Harry Thuku Road PO Box 30197 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya Tel: +254(0)20 318262 Fax: +254(0)20 2229168 Mobile: +254 (0)72151 6573 Email: gnyabuga@uonbi.ac.ke, gnyabuga@yahoo.co.uk www.uonbi.ac.ke ----------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ UNIVERSITY OF NAIROBI IS ISO CERTIFIED The University of Nairobi is committed to providing quality services to all its clients. The University will monitor and review its quality performance from time to time through an effective implementation of the Quality Management System based on ISO 9001:2008 standard. University of Nairobi Website: http://www.uonbi.ac.ke/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
SOURCES FOR DATA: CCK, IEA AND KIPPRA
participants (17)
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Barrack Otieno -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Edith Adera -
Edwin Onchari -
Eric Aligula -
Esther Muchiri -
Francis Hook -
George Nyabuga -
James Mbugua -
Josphat Karanja -
Muraya Kamau -
muriuki mureithi -
ngethe.kariuki2007＠yahoo.co.uk -
otieno.barrack＠gmail.com
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Patrick Mwangi Karanja -
Peter Wakaba -
Walubengo J