Edwin – I fully agree with you that a ‘point-based-system’ is needed to bring sanity on our roads.
I am aware of an organization that has developed such a system that integrates all the relevant bodies – police, insurance, KRA, etc. They were recently awarded money to develop the system further, under the KICTB Tandaa Local Digital Content Grant.
Does anyone have more details on the system?
Esther
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=andestbites.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edwin Onchari
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Listers,
As we all ponder and contribute, here is my 1/= worth.
If we …..i.e. the national insurance underwriter (Kenya Re), TLB, Police and the ICT community work together in coming up with a point based system for traffic violators, where if one is caught flouting rules, they are awarded penalty points (payable through Mobile money but the record still remains in the system). The system could also be designed in such a manner that when a driver is stopped, the cop and TLB official runs their DL number/Vehicle registration to determine if there are any outstanding warrants, etc…all insurers to be forced to charge very high premiums for vehicles and drivers that have X number of violations on their Vehicles & DL numbers, etc..I believe that if you hit drivers and vehicle owners hard in the pocket, they will reform! I for one will be hesitant to rent out/lend my car to a serial violator, I will be forced to ask for his DL #, send an SMS to confirm that they are not reckless drivers, etc
Best Regards,
Edwin
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Thanks MM, Josphat and Mbuguss, this is really a handfull of information, lets await more contributions and forwad them to KENHA, i suppose they participated in the IBM study if not we will share the findings with them and hear what they have to say.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Hi Edith
ICT is at the core of smart transportation by its unique role to impart information for decision making for example -
Road design as mentioned by Dr Aligula require lots of data on traffic, loads and dispersion of the traffic etc -currently we have rudimentary processes to capture the data. CCTV , sensors, GPS etc ups the game with designers able to extrapolate, project and predict and with analytics all the data presented in this list will come alive presenting planners and policy makers features to be incorporated in road design for safety, seamless and integrated commuting
ICT is the tool of choice to enhance the experience of the driver across the city ( information on the fingertips on least congested routes) commuter ( seamless and integrated options of travel) enforcement ( ability to take off rogues out of the road based on previous behaviour) parking ( sensors tell you where to park) investor ( where your matatu is and how much they have made) and for the authorities traffic management , efficient revenue collection - fines, parking fees and most importantly as a tool to change user behaviour . Nairobi is very important no just for the city residents but the whole of the region
It is happening and IBM study cited examples where the ICT is a game changer in transportation . Dr Ndemo has thrown his hat in the ring by bringing the stakeholders together through the IBM study , it is now a challenge for us to take forward the recommendations and this we can -- basic infrastructure is in place , skills to develop the apps, partnership frameworks etc and most importantly the pain as a motivator is there - consider the jams of the last three weeks, the needless deaths on our roads , the time wastage , environmental impact ---
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi
Consultant Member
Society of Telecommunications Consultants
Summit Strategies Ltd , www.summitstrategies.co.ke
calling for a paradigm shift for ict policies for africa to the next level -http://www.apc.org/en/blog/calling-paradigm-shift-ict-policies-africa-growth
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Dear Eric,
Thanks for the enlightening explanation and I now see the role of data across the three stages - design, construction and operations.
You've provided a good framework to guide any discussions on this issue on the list. I was struck by two points you raised:
1. "This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question."
2. " We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice."
My final question, what role can ICTs under "smart transport solutions" play? And what is being done or planned in Kenya within this context? I think this is a useful debate to have w.r.t Thika Road as a case in point.
Edith
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From: Eric Aligula [mailto:jairah@kippra.or.ke]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:16 PM
To: Edith Adera
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya' Road Safety Status
Edith
In countries where road safety has seen dramatic improvements, interventions have always been data driven. And they take place at the three levels of design, construction and operations. There is a whole class of engineers/auditors who conduct road safety audits during these three phases. Most of the issues being raised about Thika Road and I dare say all the new roads being built, would have been identified by road safety auditors during design and also during construction.
This raises a burning policy question for me of just how "safe" our new roads are? Would they pass muster if road safety audits were conducted? It's an open question.
Road design protocols should ensure that no road is procured until it is certified by a qualified road safety auditor as a safe road design. This process should not delay the procurement process at all and neither should it significantly raise the cost of acquisition.
My two cents is that the Ministry of Roads and KENHA are exposing themselves to legal action, a class action suit, whose outcome is anyones guess. But to make your case, you need data that is reliable and actually attests to what the actual causes of road crashes are. Not the proximate causes. The lawyers on the list may have something to say about this.
So Edith, absent good data, no viable and sustainable road safety interventions will come through. One of the things we hope to show is that the episodes when we have seen declines in road crashes has been after major outcries such as is happening now. I hope to be disappointed, but when things calm down, this outcry will die down too. And then will wait for the next spate of crashes to raise our cudgels again.
We need to invest in robust institutions, that are data driven in their interventions. It's the lesson of global best practice.
Kind regards
Eric Aligula
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On 17 May 2012, at 22:10, "Edith Adera" <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
> Well said Bwana Ndemo. The design challenges you have illustrated are just a fraction of the design challenges of Thika Road. Slip roads (properly designed not 90 degrees) are also needed that take you efficently back to the opposite direction should you miss your turning for e.g. rather than drive miles and miles before you get a way back. I absolutely agree that foot bridges hardly work especially when wide spread...it reminds me of the "great wall of china" on the Naivasha road where people jump over the wall or make acrobatic moves and balances on the wall while awaiting cars moving at neck breaking speed...you have deadly accidents on that road when an slight error is made in their acrobatic moves.
>
> Eric, I'm trying to wrap my head around the link between accurate road safety data and road designs especially after roads are completed and the deal sealed like Thika Road. Please explain as much as I appreciate research and data.
>
> I'm still recovering from Eng Kidenda saying (through a proxy) how he's too busy to engage with stakeholders on some of these crucial issues including suggestions provided by listers on some of the smart transport solutions which are relevant to this list.
>
> Edith
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> Dakitari,
> When the construction of Thika road started, I twitted that the design of the road may not be compatible with our culture. I specifically made severance to South Korea where every other two kilometrers they raise the road to enable people and animals to have access to both sides of the road. I was told it was too early to complain.
>
> The design of the fly-overs too will not reduce the possibility of jams. The Museum Hill fly-over will be more problematic than the round-about was. The roads converge in a way that does not allow smooth flow of traffic.
>
> Back to Thika road. There is no need for any study since we all know that foot bridges never work for us. An under-pass would have done it. University of Nairobi students an underpass for years since the three lane highway was introduced on Uhuru Highway. We have so much knowledge but it seems it never helps.
>
> The solution on Thika Road is to demolish any building a long the road that is within one half of a kilometre. This will stall people from jumping across to visit. Such highways are either sunken to allow easier over-passes or are raised at different intervals.
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> Regards.
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