Listers, Apologies for my ignorance. I pay for a 8mb connection and this is the service I recorded last night on my phone's ewifi connection Date ConnType Lat Lon Download Upload Latency ServerName InternalIp ExternalIp 2013-04-24 22:09 Cell 1.000000 38.000000 953 414 132 Nairobi 105.230.213.53 105.230.213.53 2013-04-24 22:09 Cell 1.000000 38.000000 951 404 129 Nairobi 105.230.213.53 105.230.213.53 2013-04-24 22:08 Cell 1.000000 38.000000 929 395 128 Nairobi 105.230.213.53 105.230.213.53 Please note the download speed is 0.9mb. Is there any legislation / regulation to protect the consumer and ensure that the product delivered is what it says on the tin? How can we make the ISP responsible for the quality of their product ? To top all this Zuku charged me for installation and never completed the install as their third party has not got enough cable, and promised this five months ago, when we requested Zuku to complete the outstanding work at their Diamond Plaza office they said they believe the job is complete.... Please comment.... Thanks, Best Regards, Baiju Shah Managing Partner|Telemedia Africa Ltd Suite 12|Chaka Court | Argwings Kodek Road, P.O. Box 14556-00100, Nairobi, Kenya. T: +254 737 751409 | M: +254 787332247 E: baiju@tele2media.com On 24 Apr 2013, at 21:55, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:31:19 +0100 (BST) From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] County Governors and the Need to Embrace ICTs Message-ID: <1366817479.58264.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Edith,
KICTANET are unable to use technology beyond posting which means we do not have the moral right to request others to do so.
I missed a meeting at KEPSA to discuss the KIF's strategy document because the invite was not sent as a "meeting request" for which my confirmation would have automatically updated the calendar on my computer and my phone with an automated reminder.
So, before we start asking others to embrace technology let us be seen to be doing it first.
Regards ? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 15:13 Subject: [kictanet] County Governors and the Need to Embrace ICTs
Listers, ? Today, Governor of Nairobi County, Kidero (or is he H.E?.how do you address them?) posted on his twitter account a note inviting Kenyans to the first public participation meeting to plan for the County. ? As most of us are at work during the day (or tarmacking) , how are we expected to meaningful participate? I dare suggest that County Governors embrace ICTs and have ?live? online coverage of the event in a way that those unable to attend can still directly contribute via whatever means possible ? radio, sms, social media, digital hangout etc etc? ? Any thoughts on how this can be done to embrace EVERYONE based on technologies and tools available in people?s hands (not forgetting the digitally excluded). ? Ideas? ? Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Baiju Most of us face the same issue. I don't believe Zuku is the only culprit. The entire industry seems to have 'conspired' around this. However if you read the fine print on the contract you will no doubt see the disclaimer about 'shared links'. I call it the 'Tyranny of Shared Connectivity'. This issue goes beyond consumer interest and touches on the whole regime of Internet Governance and the discussions around guarantees on Service Delivery and Quality of Service. May be this is a topic that the more technically savvy listers can explain to us. Barrack, may be this is an interesting topic for our forthcoming IGF? *Ali Hussein* *CEO, 3mice interactive media ltd* *Partner, Telemedia Africa Ltd * Tel: +254713601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Baiju Shah <baiju@tele2media.com> wrote:
Listers,
Apologies for my ignorance.
I pay for a 8mb connection and this is the service I recorded last night on my phone's ewifi connection
Date ConnType Lat Lon Download Upload Latency ServerName InternalIp ExternalIp 2013-04-24 22:09 Cell 1.000000 38.000000 953 414 132 Nairobi 105.230.213.53 105.230.213.53 2013-04-24 22:09 Cell 1.000000 38.000000 951 404 129 Nairobi 105.230.213.53 105.230.213.53 2013-04-24 22:08 Cell 1.000000 38.000000 929 395 128 Nairobi 105.230.213.53 105.230.213.53 Please note the download speed is 0.9mb. Is there any legislation / regulation to protect the consumer and ensure that the product delivered is what it says on the tin? How can we make the ISP responsible for the quality of their product ?
To top all this Zuku charged me for installation and never completed the install as their third party has not got enough cable, and promised this five months ago, when we requested Zuku to complete the outstanding work at their Diamond Plaza office they said they believe the job is complete....
Please comment....
Thanks,
Best Regards,
Baiju Shah Managing Partner|Telemedia Africa Ltd
Suite 12|Chaka Court | Argwings Kodek Road, P.O. Box 14556-00100, Nairobi, Kenya. T: +254 737 751409 | M: +254 787332247 E: baiju@tele2media.com
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1. Re: County Governors and the Need to Embrace ICTs (robert yawe) 2. Re: [ISOC_KE] Kenya to host second Edition of the Africa IGF (meshack emakunat) 3. What awaits the new ICT Cabinet Secretary (Grace Githaiga) 4. Re: [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move?
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... (Mark Mwangi)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:31:19 +0100 (BST) From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] County Governors and the Need to Embrace ICTs Message-ID: <1366817479.58264.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Edith,
KICTANET are unable to use technology beyond posting which means we do not have the moral right to request others to do so.
I missed a meeting at KEPSA to discuss the KIF's strategy document because the invite was not sent as a "meeting request" for which my confirmation would have automatically updated the calendar on my computer and my phone with an automated reminder.
So, before we start asking others to embrace technology let us be seen to be doing it first.
Regards ? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 15:13 Subject: [kictanet] County Governors and the Need to Embrace ICTs
Listers, ? Today, Governor of Nairobi County, Kidero (or is he H.E?.how do you address them?) posted on his twitter account a note inviting Kenyans to the first public participation meeting to plan for the County. ? As most of us are at work during the day (or tarmacking) , how are we expected to meaningful participate? I dare suggest that County Governors embrace ICTs and have ?live? online coverage of the event in a way that those unable to attend can still directly contribute via whatever means possible ? radio, sms, social media, digital hangout etc etc? ? Any thoughts on how this can be done to embrace EVERYONE based on technologies and tools available in people?s hands (not forgetting the digitally excluded). ? Ideas? ? Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
In addition to the disclaimer about "shared links/connections", they will tell you that the advertised speed is only between you and them, not onwards to the Internet. Personally, I would not mind this, as long as they were willing to host the entire Internet on their local servers :) On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Baiju
Most of us face the same issue. I don't believe Zuku is the only culprit. The entire industry seems to have 'conspired' around this. However if you read the fine print on the contract you will no doubt see the disclaimer about 'shared links'. I call it the 'Tyranny of Shared Connectivity'.
This issue goes beyond consumer interest and touches on the whole regime of Internet Governance and the discussions around guarantees on Service Delivery and Quality of Service.
May be this is a topic that the more technically savvy listers can explain to us.
Barrack, may be this is an interesting topic for our forthcoming IGF?
*Ali Hussein*
*CEO, 3mice interactive media ltd*
*Partner, Telemedia Africa Ltd *
Tel: +254713601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Baiju Shah <baiju@tele2media.com> wrote:
Listers,
Apologies for my ignorance.
I pay for a 8mb connection and this is the service I recorded last night on my phone's ewifi connection
Date ConnType Lat Lon Download Upload Latency ServerName InternalIp ExternalIp 2013-04-24 22:09 Cell 1.000000 38.000000 953 414 132 Nairobi 105.230.213.53 105.230.213.53 2013-04-24 22:09 Cell 1.000000 38.000000 951 404 129 Nairobi 105.230.213.53 105.230.213.53 2013-04-24 22:08 Cell 1.000000 38.000000 929 395 128 Nairobi 105.230.213.53 105.230.213.53 Please note the download speed is 0.9mb. Is there any legislation / regulation to protect the consumer and ensure that the product delivered is what it says on the tin? How can we make the ISP responsible for the quality of their product ?
To top all this Zuku charged me for installation and never completed the install as their third party has not got enough cable, and promised this five months ago, when we requested Zuku to complete the outstanding work at their Diamond Plaza office they said they believe the job is complete....
Please comment....
Thanks,
Best Regards,
Baiju Shah Managing Partner|Telemedia Africa Ltd
Suite 12|Chaka Court | Argwings Kodek Road, P.O. Box 14556-00100, Nairobi, Kenya. T: +254 737 751409 | M: +254 787332247 E: baiju@tele2media.com
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1. Re: County Governors and the Need to Embrace ICTs (robert yawe) 2. Re: [ISOC_KE] Kenya to host second Edition of the Africa IGF (meshack emakunat) 3. What awaits the new ICT Cabinet Secretary (Grace Githaiga) 4. Re: [ISOC_KE] ICT Secretary is it a wise move?
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... (Mark Mwangi)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:31:19 +0100 (BST) From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] County Governors and the Need to Embrace ICTs Message-ID: <1366817479.58264.YahooMailNeo@web171706.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Edith,
KICTANET are unable to use technology beyond posting which means we do not have the moral right to request others to do so.
I missed a meeting at KEPSA to discuss the KIF's strategy document because the invite was not sent as a "meeting request" for which my confirmation would have automatically updated the calendar on my computer and my phone with an automated reminder.
So, before we start asking others to embrace technology let us be seen to be doing it first.
Regards ? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 15:13 Subject: [kictanet] County Governors and the Need to Embrace ICTs
Listers, ? Today, Governor of Nairobi County, Kidero (or is he H.E?.how do you address them?) posted on his twitter account a note inviting Kenyans to the first public participation meeting to plan for the County. ? As most of us are at work during the day (or tarmacking) , how are we expected to meaningful participate? I dare suggest that County Governors embrace ICTs and have ?live? online coverage of the event in a way that those unable to attend can still directly contribute via whatever means possible ? radio, sms, social media, digital hangout etc etc? ? Any thoughts on how this can be done to embrace EVERYONE based on technologies and tools available in people?s hands (not forgetting the digitally excluded). ? Ideas? ? Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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