Fw: KENIC set to be wound up
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly... read more... Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d... walu.
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public..... On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
read more...
Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d...
walu.
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Walu and all, I really look forwad to a full public engagement process before any major decision can be made, is this the best that we can do as a nation? as the Internet society we are looking forwad to a public process that will examine possible solutions to this debacle that has dragged on for years, we are not short of case studies from Africa and globally and we will seek to demonstrate this. We welcome all stakeholders to the Kenya Internet Governance Forum to be held at Stathmore University Business School on July 26th 2013 where we shall make our position on this matter known. Thank you Best Regards On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com>wrote:
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public.....
On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
read more...
Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial
http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d...
walu.
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I think this might be a good thing. Maybe it's not KENIC that is responsible, but the .ke tld is definitely poorly managed. --- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: https://angel.co/kili-io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Walu and all,
I really look forwad to a full public engagement process before any major decision can be made, is this the best that we can do as a nation? as the Internet society we are looking forwad to a public process that will examine possible solutions to this debacle that has dragged on for years, we are not short of case studies from Africa and globally and we will seek to demonstrate this. We welcome all stakeholders to the Kenya Internet Governance Forum to be held at Stathmore University Business School on July 26th 2013 where we shall make our position on this matter known.
Thank you
Best Regards
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com
wrote:
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public.....
On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
read more...
Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial
http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d...
walu.
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Adam Please clarify what might be a good thing:- 1. The idea that the whole .ke Multi-stakeholder governance process is at stake? OR 2. The fact that .ke is being mismanaged then CCK unilaterally disbands KeNIC? (Of course if the news is to be believed) Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
I think this might be a good thing. Maybe it's not KENIC that is responsible, but the .ke tld is definitely poorly managed.
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On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu and all,
I really look forwad to a full public engagement process before any major decision can be made, is this the best that we can do as a nation? as the Internet society we are looking forwad to a public process that will examine possible solutions to this debacle that has dragged on for years, we are not short of case studies from Africa and globally and we will seek to demonstrate this. We welcome all stakeholders to the Kenya Internet Governance Forum to be held at Stathmore University Business School on July 26th 2013 where we shall make our position on this matter known.
Thank you
Best Regards
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public.....
On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
read more...
Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d...
walu.
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What would definitely be a good thing would be to get proper authentication on the domain available (DNSSEC), to allow global calibre registrars to resell the domain (Gandi, 1x1, Namecheap, etc...) and to allow 'naked' .ke domains (like google.ke). I don't know if KENIC needs to be shutdown or something else has to happen to get them responsive to the needs of the global Internet but the first two items above really need to be addressed - it's 2013! --- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: https://angel.co/kili-io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Adam
Please clarify what might be a good thing:-
1. The idea that the whole .ke Multi-stakeholder governance process is at stake?
OR
2. The fact that .ke is being mismanaged then CCK unilaterally disbands KeNIC? (Of course if the news is to be believed)
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+254 713 601113/ 0770 906375
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Sent from my iPad
On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
I think this might be a good thing. Maybe it's not KENIC that is responsible, but the .ke tld is definitely poorly managed.
--- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: https://angel.co/kili-io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Walu and all,
I really look forwad to a full public engagement process before any major decision can be made, is this the best that we can do as a nation? as the Internet society we are looking forwad to a public process that will examine possible solutions to this debacle that has dragged on for years, we are not short of case studies from Africa and globally and we will seek to demonstrate this. We welcome all stakeholders to the Kenya Internet Governance Forum to be held at Stathmore University Business School on July 26th 2013 where we shall make our position on this matter known.
Thank you
Best Regards
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) < nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public.....
On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
read more...
Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial
http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d...
walu.
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Astonishing news, as preposterous as it sounds. We need a very balanced approach and meaningful engagement in getting into the issues at play here. I am sure most of us wants what is best for the Kenyan society and the business community. I look forward to a time when the preferred domain in Kenya will be .ke. Probably somebody with information can give us a background overview. I am sure the IT Director at CCK Michael Katundu who has been a long serving KENIC director wants the best out of the our ccTLD, including competing at a world level like .za and .de I am also sure in his difficult and challenging task as chief IT advisory to the Director General Mr. Francis Wangusi and the CCK board, the advice and outcome that will be fronted will be a progressive and selfless one. It's interesting to note that the President of Kenya, H.E Uhuru Kenyatta in his speech to business community and civil society in May 2013 during swearing in of cabinet secretaries encouraged public private partnerships and fostering dialog. Nobody would like to be seen to undermine the performance of the President, or his humble decree barely 100 days after he took office. Before the re-delegation of our ccTLD, we need know what works, what does not work, what effort and approaches have been employed, any working group that has been constituted, how the working groups were reconstituted, reports and recommendations of the working group, and finally the concrete basis for the re-delegation. Long live .KE ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 16 July 2013 08:32, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu and all,
I really look forwad to a full public engagement process before any major decision can be made, is this the best that we can do as a nation? as the Internet society we are looking forwad to a public process that will examine possible solutions to this debacle that has dragged on for years, we are not short of case studies from Africa and globally and we will seek to demonstrate this. We welcome all stakeholders to the Kenya Internet Governance Forum to be held at Stathmore University Business School on July 26th 2013 where we shall make our position on this matter known.
Thank you
Best Regards
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com
wrote:
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public.....
On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
read more...
Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial
http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d...
walu.
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Let's not overthink it. .za does not compete at the world level and .de serves a market that is 100x larger than what .ke serves: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=kenya+gdp+vs+germany+gdp Generic TLDs are where stuff is happening. Country code TLDs are just a vestige of the old Internet and while they will always have a place (government sites, locally focused domains, etc...), they are not something to be spending much time on. I think KENIC (or whomever) should just fix the three obvious problems and then move onto other issues. Worrying about country code TLDs is just not worth much effort. --- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: https://angel.co/kili-io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Astonishing news, as preposterous as it sounds.
We need a very balanced approach and meaningful engagement in getting into the issues at play here. I am sure most of us wants what is best for the Kenyan society and the business community. I look forward to a time when the preferred domain in Kenya will be .ke. Probably somebody with information can give us a background overview.
I am sure the IT Director at CCK Michael Katundu who has been a long serving KENIC director wants the best out of the our ccTLD, including competing at a world level like .za and .de I am also sure in his difficult and challenging task as chief IT advisory to the Director General Mr. Francis Wangusi and the CCK board, the advice and outcome that will be fronted will be a progressive and selfless one.
It's interesting to note that the President of Kenya, H.E Uhuru Kenyatta in his speech to business community and civil society in May 2013 during swearing in of cabinet secretaries encouraged public private partnerships and fostering dialog. Nobody would like to be seen to undermine the performance of the President, or his humble decree barely 100 days after he took office.
Before the re-delegation of our ccTLD, we need know what works, what does not work, what effort and approaches have been employed, any working group that has been constituted, how the working groups were reconstituted, reports and recommendations of the working group, and finally the concrete basis for the re-delegation.
Long live .KE ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 16 July 2013 08:32, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu and all,
I really look forwad to a full public engagement process before any major decision can be made, is this the best that we can do as a nation? as the Internet society we are looking forwad to a public process that will examine possible solutions to this debacle that has dragged on for years, we are not short of case studies from Africa and globally and we will seek to demonstrate this. We welcome all stakeholders to the Kenya Internet Governance Forum to be held at Stathmore University Business School on July 26th 2013 where we shall make our position on this matter known.
Thank you
Best Regards
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) < nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public.....
On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
read more...
Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial
http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d...
walu.
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Adam Not sure which world you are living in :) but the fact that you can't get any variation or iteration of domains at the gTLDs level makes ccTLDs highly desirable. ccTLDs are the new e-land grab. If you don't believe me please search for bank.co.ke, banks.co.ke, sex.co.ke (according to the KeNIC site you can't register sex.co.ke, I wonder why :) ) phone.co.ke etc. lets not even talk about the gTLD versions. Adam, what is at stake here isn't even the commercial issues and as a former director at KeNIC I can tell you that they are huge. It is the whole principal of Multi-Stakeholderism that is being fought. That is the elephant in the room that we must address. I do hope that no one is taking advantage of the flux situation of transition to shove through unpopular/illegal decisions. Let us be transparent and above board on this issue. Wambua, I think its time CCK issues a statement on this issue so that we stop this 'speculation'. I do also hope that the Cabinet Secretary of ICT can weigh in on this.. Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
Let's not overthink it. .za does not compete at the world level and .de serves a market that is 100x larger than what .ke serves:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=kenya+gdp+vs+germany+gdp
Generic TLDs are where stuff is happening. Country code TLDs are just a vestige of the old Internet and while they will always have a place (government sites, locally focused domains, etc...), they are not something to be spending much time on.
I think KENIC (or whomever) should just fix the three obvious problems and then move onto other issues. Worrying about country code TLDs is just not worth much effort.
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On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Astonishing news, as preposterous as it sounds.
We need a very balanced approach and meaningful engagement in getting into the issues at play here. I am sure most of us wants what is best for the Kenyan society and the business community. I look forward to a time when the preferred domain in Kenya will be .ke. Probably somebody with information can give us a background overview.
I am sure the IT Director at CCK Michael Katundu who has been a long serving KENIC director wants the best out of the our ccTLD, including competing at a world level like .za and .de I am also sure in his difficult and challenging task as chief IT advisory to the Director General Mr. Francis Wangusi and the CCK board, the advice and outcome that will be fronted will be a progressive and selfless one.
It's interesting to note that the President of Kenya, H.E Uhuru Kenyatta in his speech to business community and civil society in May 2013 during swearing in of cabinet secretaries encouraged public private partnerships and fostering dialog. Nobody would like to be seen to undermine the performance of the President, or his humble decree barely 100 days after he took office.
Before the re-delegation of our ccTLD, we need know what works, what does not work, what effort and approaches have been employed, any working group that has been constituted, how the working groups were reconstituted, reports and recommendations of the working group, and finally the concrete basis for the re-delegation.
Long live .KE ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 16 July 2013 08:32, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu and all,
I really look forwad to a full public engagement process before any major decision can be made, is this the best that we can do as a nation? as the Internet society we are looking forwad to a public process that will examine possible solutions to this debacle that has dragged on for years, we are not short of case studies from Africa and globally and we will seek to demonstrate this. We welcome all stakeholders to the Kenya Internet Governance Forum to be held at Stathmore University Business School on July 26th 2013 where we shall make our position on this matter known.
Thank you
Best Regards
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public.....
On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
read more...
Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d...
walu.
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I apologize. The multi-stakeholder norm is the most important issue here by far. Although I think .ke needs better management as evidenced by the points I set out earlier, it should not come at the expense of the mult-stakeholder process which is paramount. I still stand my statements but they all are of lower importance than multi-stakeholder management of TLDs (and other Internet resources). --- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: https://angel.co/kili-io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Adam
Not sure which world you are living in :) but the fact that you can't get any variation or iteration of domains at the gTLDs level makes ccTLDs highly desirable.
ccTLDs are the new e-land grab.
If you don't believe me please search for bank.co.ke, banks.co.ke, sex.co.ke (according to the KeNIC site you can't register sex.co.ke, I wonder why :) ) phone.co.ke etc. lets not even talk about the gTLD versions.
Adam, what is at stake here isn't even the commercial issues and as a former director at KeNIC I can tell you that they are huge. It is the whole principal of Multi-Stakeholderism that is being fought. That is the elephant in the room that we must address.
I do hope that no one is taking advantage of the flux situation of transition to shove through unpopular/illegal decisions.
Let us be transparent and above board on this issue.
Wambua, I think its time CCK issues a statement on this issue so that we stop this 'speculation'.
I do also hope that the Cabinet Secretary of ICT can weigh in on this..
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On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
Let's not overthink it. .za does not compete at the world level and .de serves a market that is 100x larger than what .ke serves:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=kenya+gdp+vs+germany+gdp
Generic TLDs are where stuff is happening. Country code TLDs are just a vestige of the old Internet and while they will always have a place (government sites, locally focused domains, etc...), they are not something to be spending much time on.
I think KENIC (or whomever) should just fix the three obvious problems and then move onto other issues. Worrying about country code TLDs is just not worth much effort.
--- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: https://angel.co/kili-io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Astonishing news, as preposterous as it sounds.
We need a very balanced approach and meaningful engagement in getting into the issues at play here. I am sure most of us wants what is best for the Kenyan society and the business community. I look forward to a time when the preferred domain in Kenya will be .ke. Probably somebody with information can give us a background overview.
I am sure the IT Director at CCK Michael Katundu who has been a long serving KENIC director wants the best out of the our ccTLD, including competing at a world level like .za and .de I am also sure in his difficult and challenging task as chief IT advisory to the Director General Mr. Francis Wangusi and the CCK board, the advice and outcome that will be fronted will be a progressive and selfless one.
It's interesting to note that the President of Kenya, H.E Uhuru Kenyatta in his speech to business community and civil society in May 2013 during swearing in of cabinet secretaries encouraged public private partnerships and fostering dialog. Nobody would like to be seen to undermine the performance of the President, or his humble decree barely 100 days after he took office.
Before the re-delegation of our ccTLD, we need know what works, what does not work, what effort and approaches have been employed, any working group that has been constituted, how the working groups were reconstituted, reports and recommendations of the working group, and finally the concrete basis for the re-delegation.
Long live .KE ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 16 July 2013 08:32, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu and all,
I really look forwad to a full public engagement process before any major decision can be made, is this the best that we can do as a nation? as the Internet society we are looking forwad to a public process that will examine possible solutions to this debacle that has dragged on for years, we are not short of case studies from Africa and globally and we will seek to demonstrate this. We welcome all stakeholders to the Kenya Internet Governance Forum to be held at Stathmore University Business School on July 26th 2013 where we shall make our position on this matter known.
Thank you
Best Regards
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) < nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public.....
On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
read more...
Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial
http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d...
walu.
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@Adam, I beg to differ. We can look at it in different interesting angles. ccTLDS might belong to the days of yore but it is often used as a tool for expressing identity and national pride, a sense of belonging, combined with the very important aspect of root independence, and also controlling the balance of trade by preventing capital flight, even if we are talking at the level of 0.00001%. That is not something you ignore. Multi-stakeholderism has been on the cross for a while in many sectors in the region, that is scary. It's important to note that at ICANN47 in Durban, everybody is throwing buzzwords how "bottom up", "PPP" are good models for running public resources. Actually Mr. Fahdi the ICANN president was so proud of the fact that ICANN is the only "true" multistakeholder organisation in the world. Is this dying in Kenya? On the commercial value, we are talking about 58M/year (Public info through end year reports), and if we open up the second level, which will happen one day, we will be talking 0.5B for the first year. That is not something to ignore. Warm Regards, ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 16 July 2013 12:04, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
Let's not overthink it. .za does not compete at the world level and .de serves a market that is 100x larger than what .ke serves:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=kenya+gdp+vs+germany+gdp
Generic TLDs are where stuff is happening. Country code TLDs are just a vestige of the old Internet and while they will always have a place (government sites, locally focused domains, etc...), they are not something to be spending much time on.
I think KENIC (or whomever) should just fix the three obvious problems and then move onto other issues. Worrying about country code TLDs is just not worth much effort.
--- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: https://angel.co/kili-io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Astonishing news, as preposterous as it sounds.
We need a very balanced approach and meaningful engagement in getting into the issues at play here. I am sure most of us wants what is best for the Kenyan society and the business community. I look forward to a time when the preferred domain in Kenya will be .ke. Probably somebody with information can give us a background overview.
I am sure the IT Director at CCK Michael Katundu who has been a long serving KENIC director wants the best out of the our ccTLD, including competing at a world level like .za and .de I am also sure in his difficult and challenging task as chief IT advisory to the Director General Mr. Francis Wangusi and the CCK board, the advice and outcome that will be fronted will be a progressive and selfless one.
It's interesting to note that the President of Kenya, H.E Uhuru Kenyatta in his speech to business community and civil society in May 2013 during swearing in of cabinet secretaries encouraged public private partnerships and fostering dialog. Nobody would like to be seen to undermine the performance of the President, or his humble decree barely 100 days after he took office.
Before the re-delegation of our ccTLD, we need know what works, what does not work, what effort and approaches have been employed, any working group that has been constituted, how the working groups were reconstituted, reports and recommendations of the working group, and finally the concrete basis for the re-delegation.
Long live .KE ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 16 July 2013 08:32, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu and all,
I really look forwad to a full public engagement process before any major decision can be made, is this the best that we can do as a nation? as the Internet society we are looking forwad to a public process that will examine possible solutions to this debacle that has dragged on for years, we are not short of case studies from Africa and globally and we will seek to demonstrate this. We welcome all stakeholders to the Kenya Internet Governance Forum to be held at Stathmore University Business School on July 26th 2013 where we shall make our position on this matter known.
Thank you
Best Regards
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) < nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public.....
On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
read more...
Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial
http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d...
walu.
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Not to mention that KeNIC is sitting on north of Kshs.30-40 million in an investment account and generating probably kshs 500k free Cashflow every month.. Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
@Adam,
I beg to differ. We can look at it in different interesting angles.
ccTLDS might belong to the days of yore but it is often used as a tool for expressing identity and national pride, a sense of belonging, combined with the very important aspect of root independence, and also controlling the balance of trade by preventing capital flight, even if we are talking at the level of 0.00001%. That is not something you ignore.
Multi-stakeholderism has been on the cross for a while in many sectors in the region, that is scary. It's important to note that at ICANN47 in Durban, everybody is throwing buzzwords how "bottom up", "PPP" are good models for running public resources. Actually Mr. Fahdi the ICANN president was so proud of the fact that ICANN is the only "true" multistakeholder organisation in the world. Is this dying in Kenya?
On the commercial value, we are talking about 58M/year (Public info through end year reports), and if we open up the second level, which will happen one day, we will be talking 0.5B for the first year.
That is not something to ignore.
Warm Regards, ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 16 July 2013 12:04, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
Let's not overthink it. .za does not compete at the world level and .de serves a market that is 100x larger than what .ke serves:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=kenya+gdp+vs+germany+gdp
Generic TLDs are where stuff is happening. Country code TLDs are just a vestige of the old Internet and while they will always have a place (government sites, locally focused domains, etc...), they are not something to be spending much time on.
I think KENIC (or whomever) should just fix the three obvious problems and then move onto other issues. Worrying about country code TLDs is just not worth much effort.
--- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: https://angel.co/kili-io Musings: https://twitter.com/varud About Adam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Astonishing news, as preposterous as it sounds.
We need a very balanced approach and meaningful engagement in getting into the issues at play here. I am sure most of us wants what is best for the Kenyan society and the business community. I look forward to a time when the preferred domain in Kenya will be .ke. Probably somebody with information can give us a background overview.
I am sure the IT Director at CCK Michael Katundu who has been a long serving KENIC director wants the best out of the our ccTLD, including competing at a world level like .za and .de I am also sure in his difficult and challenging task as chief IT advisory to the Director General Mr. Francis Wangusi and the CCK board, the advice and outcome that will be fronted will be a progressive and selfless one.
It's interesting to note that the President of Kenya, H.E Uhuru Kenyatta in his speech to business community and civil society in May 2013 during swearing in of cabinet secretaries encouraged public private partnerships and fostering dialog. Nobody would like to be seen to undermine the performance of the President, or his humble decree barely 100 days after he took office.
Before the re-delegation of our ccTLD, we need know what works, what does not work, what effort and approaches have been employed, any working group that has been constituted, how the working groups were reconstituted, reports and recommendations of the working group, and finally the concrete basis for the re-delegation.
Long live .KE ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 16 July 2013 08:32, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu and all,
I really look forwad to a full public engagement process before any major decision can be made, is this the best that we can do as a nation? as the Internet society we are looking forwad to a public process that will examine possible solutions to this debacle that has dragged on for years, we are not short of case studies from Africa and globally and we will seek to demonstrate this. We welcome all stakeholders to the Kenya Internet Governance Forum to be held at Stathmore University Business School on July 26th 2013 where we shall make our position on this matter known.
Thank you
Best Regards
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public.....
On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
read more...
Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d...
walu.
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@Walu, The regulator owns KENIC therefore they are free to do as they wish, remember the courtesy we were offered at the AGM? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013, 8:06 Subject: [kictanet] Fw: KENIC set to be wound up Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up KENIC. Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly... read more... Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new registry, but the process is controversial http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-d... walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
participants (7)
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Adam Nelson -
Ali Hussein -
Barrack Otieno -
Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) -
Kivuva -
robert yawe -
Walubengo J