I apologize.  

The multi-stakeholder norm is the most important issue here by far.  Although I think .ke needs better management as evidenced by the points I set out earlier, it should not come at the expense of the mult-stakeholder process which is paramount.

I still stand my statements but they all are of lower importance than multi-stakeholder management of TLDs (and other Internet resources).


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On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Adam

Not sure which world you are living in :) but the fact that you can't get any variation or iteration of domains at the gTLDs level makes ccTLDs highly desirable. 

ccTLDs are the new e-land grab.

If you don't believe me please search for bank.co.ke, banks.co.ke, sex.co.ke (according to the KeNIC site you can't register sex.co.ke, I wonder why :) ) phone.co.ke etc. lets not even talk about the gTLD versions.

Adam, what is at stake here isn't even the commercial issues and as a former director at KeNIC I can tell you that they are huge. It is the whole principal of Multi-Stakeholderism that is being fought. That is the elephant in the room that we must address.

I do hope that no one is taking advantage of the flux situation of transition to shove through unpopular/illegal decisions. 

Let us be transparent and above board on this issue.

Wambua, I think its time CCK issues a statement on this issue so that we stop this 'speculation'.

I do also hope that the Cabinet Secretary of ICT can weigh in on this..  

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:

Let's not overthink it.  .za does not compete at the world level and .de serves a market that is 100x larger than what .ke serves:


Generic TLDs are where stuff is happening.  Country code TLDs are just a vestige of the old Internet and while they will always have a place (government sites, locally focused domains, etc...), they are not something to be spending much time on.  

I think KENIC (or whomever) should just fix the three obvious problems and then move onto other issues.  Worrying about country code TLDs is just not worth much effort.

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On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Astonishing news, as preposterous as it sounds.

We need a very balanced approach and meaningful engagement in getting into the issues at play here.
I am sure most of us wants what is best for the Kenyan society and the business community. I look forward to a time when the preferred domain in Kenya will be .ke. Probably somebody with information can give us a background overview.

I am sure the IT Director at CCK Michael Katundu who has been a long serving KENIC director wants the best out of the our ccTLD, including competing at a world level like .za and .de  I am also sure in his difficult and challenging task as chief IT advisory to the Director General Mr. Francis Wangusi and the CCK board, the advice and outcome that will be fronted will be a progressive and selfless one.

It's interesting to note that the President of Kenya, H.E Uhuru Kenyatta in his speech to business community and civil society in May 2013 during swearing in of cabinet secretaries encouraged  public private partnerships and fostering dialog. Nobody would like to be seen to undermine the performance of the President, or his humble decree barely 100 days after he took office.

Before the re-delegation of our ccTLD, we need know what works, what does not work, what effort and approaches have been employed, any working group that has been constituted, how the working groups were reconstituted, reports and recommendations of the working group, and finally the concrete basis for the re-delegation. 

Long live .KE
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On 16 July 2013 08:32, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Walu and all,

I really look forwad to a full public engagement process before any major decision can be made, is this the best that we can do as a nation? as the Internet society we are looking forwad to a public process that will examine possible solutions to this debacle that has dragged on for years, we are not short of case studies from Africa and globally and we will seek to demonstrate this. We welcome all stakeholders to the Kenya Internet Governance Forum to be held at Stathmore University Business School on July 26th 2013 where we shall make our position on this matter known.

Thank you

Best Regards


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever since matters KENIC ceased being public.....

On 16/07/2013, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Not sure if this is true...but I thought only the KENIC AGM can wound up
> KENIC.  Not sure of the Regulator can do this single-handedly...
>
> read more...
>
>
> Kenyan regulator looks to decommission domain registrar
> The country's communications agency is looking to put in place a new
> registry, but the process is controversial
> http://www.itworld.com/internet/365167/kenyan-regulator-looks-decommission-domain-registrar?page=0,0
>
>
>
> walu.
>


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