Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC
I am at the kenic meeting where I thought we would be well represented but as expected there are more kenic board members than kictanet representatives. ------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 23:10 BST Grace Githaiga wrote:
Talks to resolve row at Internet firm http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Talks+to+resolve+row+at+Internet+firm/...
The multi-stakeholder institution charged with administering Kenya’s Internet domain .ke, is hoping to iron out differences over its recent restructuring in its annual general meeting on Friday.The meeting, which will be held in Nairobi, brings together registrars, government representatives, Internet businesses and other people interested in the ICT sector.Speaking on Thursday, the organisation’s change manager, Mr Sammy Buruchara, said the forum would provide a good platform for the board of the institution to iron out issues facing the company.“It will give the board of the Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC) an opportunity to clear the air over all the allegations arising from the ongoing organisational restructure and create rapport on the way forward,” Mr Buruchara said.The AGM comes at a time when the institution is facing questions from the public over its decision to fire all its employees in what it says is an organisational
restructure.A number of board members have also left KeNIC in the past two months.In an email, Information and Communications Permanent Secretary Bitange Ndemo termed the decision to terminate employees’ contracts without consulting stakeholders as drastic and unprocedural.“Even in the Government, firing employees has several steps that must be followed to ensure security of tenure. This came as a surprise, yet we are supposed to be stakeholders. We must all respect the spirit of the Constitution, especially in such a multi-stakeholder agency,” Dr Ndemo said.In reaction, Mr Buruchara, who is on a three-month contract to oversee the execution of an institutional assessment report prepared by ZappKaas Consulting and Training Ltd, said KeNIC is an organisation with a working board and people should stop questioning its decision.Currently, KeNIC is the administrator of over 20,000 domains at the .ke registry.
@Ndemo just made some remarks... 1) that perhaps KENIC finds a way to include ALL stakeholders (i.e. anyone with a .KE string). 2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs) walu. --- On Fri, 8/24/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 9:31 AM I am at the kenic meeting where I thought we would be well represented but as expected there are more kenic board members than kictanet representatives. ------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 23:10 BST Grace Githaiga wrote:
Talks to resolve row at Internet firm http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Talks+to+resolve+row+at+Internet+firm/...
The multi-stakeholder institution charged with administering Kenya’s Internet domain .ke, is hoping to iron out differences over its recent restructuring in its annual general meeting on Friday.The meeting, which will be held in Nairobi, brings together registrars, government representatives, Internet businesses and other people interested in the ICT sector.Speaking on Thursday, the organisation’s change manager, Mr Sammy Buruchara, said the forum would provide a good platform for the board of the institution to iron out issues facing the company.“It will give the board of the Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC) an opportunity to clear the air over all the allegations arising from the ongoing organisational restructure and create rapport on the way forward,” Mr Buruchara said.The AGM comes at a time when the institution is facing questions from the public over its decision to fire all its employees in what it says is an organisational
restructure.A number of board members have also left KeNIC in the past two months.In an email, Information and Communications Permanent Secretary Bitange Ndemo termed the decision to terminate employees’ contracts without consulting stakeholders as drastic and unprocedural.“Even in the Government, firing employees has several steps that must be followed to ensure security of tenure. This came as a surprise, yet we are supposed to be stakeholders. We must all respect the spirit of the Constitution, especially in such a multi-stakeholder agency,” Dr Ndemo said.In reaction, Mr Buruchara, who is on a three-month contract to oversee the execution of an institutional assessment report prepared by ZappKaas Consulting and Training Ltd, said KeNIC is an organisation with a working board and people should stop questioning its decision.Currently, KeNIC is the administrator of over 20,000 domains at the .ke registry. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
Walu, I thoutht your second point is in the articles of association? On 24 August 2012 10:14, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ndemo just made some remarks...
1) that perhaps KENIC finds a way to include ALL stakeholders (i.e. anyone with a .KE string). 2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
walu.
--- On *Fri, 8/24/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 9:31 AM
I am at the kenic meeting where I thought we would be well represented but as expected there are more kenic board members than kictanet representatives.
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 23:10 BST Grace Githaiga wrote:
Talks to resolve row at Internet firm
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Talks+to+resolve+row+at+Internet+firm/...
The multi-stakeholder institution charged with administering Kenya’s
Internet domain .ke, is hoping to iron out differences over its recent restructuring in its annual general meeting on Friday.The meeting, which will be held in Nairobi, brings together registrars, government representatives, Internet businesses and other people interested in the ICT sector.Speaking on Thursday, the organisation’s change manager, Mr Sammy Buruchara, said the forum would provide a good platform for the board of the institution to iron out issues facing the company.“It will give the board of the Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC) an opportunity to clear the air over all the allegations arising from the ongoing organisational restructure and create rapport on the way forward,” Mr Buruchara said.The AGM comes at a time when the institution is facing questions from the public over its decision to fire all its employees in what it says is an organisational restructure.A number of board members have also left KeNIC in the past two months.In an email, Information and Communications Permanent Secretary Bitange Ndemo termed the decision to terminate employees’ contracts without consulting stakeholders as drastic and unprocedural.“Even in the Government, firing employees has several steps that must be followed to ensure security of tenure. This came as a surprise, yet we are supposed to be stakeholders. We must all respect the spirit of the Constitution, especially in such a multi-stakeholder agency,” Dr Ndemo said.In reaction, Mr Buruchara, who is on a three-month contract to oversee the execution of an institutional assessment report prepared by ZappKaas Consulting and Training Ltd, said KeNIC is an organisation with a working board and people should stop questioning its decision.Currently, KeNIC is the administrator of over 20,000 domains at the .ke registry.
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Kivuva On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
Walu, I thoutht your second point is in the articles of association?
It is. Unless it was changed recently.
On 24 August 2012 10:14, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ndemo just made some remarks...
1) that perhaps KENIC finds a way to include ALL stakeholders (i.e. anyone with a .KE string). 2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
walu.
--- On *Fri, 8/24/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 9:31 AM
I am at the kenic meeting where I thought we would be well represented but as expected there are more kenic board members than kictanet representatives.
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 23:10 BST Grace Githaiga wrote:
Talks to resolve row at Internet firm
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Talks+to+resolve+row+at+Internet+firm/...
The multi-stakeholder institution charged with administering Kenya’s
Internet domain .ke, is hoping to iron out differences over its recent restructuring in its annual general meeting on Friday.The meeting, which will be held in Nairobi, brings together registrars, government representatives, Internet businesses and other people interested in the ICT sector.Speaking on Thursday, the organisation’s change manager, Mr Sammy Buruchara, said the forum would provide a good platform for the board of the institution to iron out issues facing the company.“It will give the board of the Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC) an opportunity to clear the air over all the allegations arising from the ongoing organisational restructure and create rapport on the way forward,” Mr Buruchara said.The AGM comes at a time when the institution is facing questions from the public over its decision to fire all its employees in what it says is an organisational restructure.A number of board members have also left KeNIC in the past two months.In an email, Information and Communications Permanent Secretary Bitange Ndemo termed the decision to terminate employees’ contracts without consulting stakeholders as drastic and unprocedural.“Even in the Government, firing employees has several steps that must be followed to ensure security of tenure. This came as a surprise, yet we are supposed to be stakeholders. We must all respect the spirit of the Constitution, especially in such a multi-stakeholder agency,” Dr Ndemo said.In reaction, Mr Buruchara, who is on a three-month contract to oversee the execution of an institutional assessment report prepared by ZappKaas Consulting and Training Ltd, said KeNIC is an organisation with a working board and people should stop questioning its decision.Currently, KeNIC is the administrator of over 20,000 domains at the .ke registry.
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Meanwhile, Steve Mutoro of Consumer Federation of Kenya raises a storm. He says that he was invited to the KENIC board but is suprised to find that CCK and TESPOK are more equal than others in terms of them being the founding members and articles of assoc.. Yawe, says that is the fact and we may have to leave with it or find a legal way of diluting those powers... the debate continues...with Mutoro issuing a soft-threat CoFECK that they will find a way into the Board by all (legal) means :-) debate continues... walu.
Walu, You forget to mention we have been educated about how CCK & TESPOK funded KENIC into existence. Buruchara clarifies, no one was fired... they opted out. G4S... Not needed :) On Aug 24, 2012 12:09 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meanwhile, Steve Mutoro of Consumer Federation of Kenya raises a storm.
He says that he was invited to the KENIC board but is suprised to find that CCK and TESPOK are more equal than others in terms of them being the founding members and articles of assoc..
Yawe, says that is the fact and we may have to leave with it or find a legal way of diluting those powers...
the debate continues...with Mutoro issuing a soft-threat CoFECK that they will find a way into the Board by all (legal) means :-)
debate continues...
walu.
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One would be tempted to ask, Who is COFEK? Who are the members? How does one join COFEK? 2012/8/24 S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com>
Walu,
You forget to mention we have been educated about how CCK & TESPOK funded KENIC into existence.
Buruchara clarifies, no one was fired... they opted out.
G4S... Not needed :) On Aug 24, 2012 12:09 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meanwhile, Steve Mutoro of Consumer Federation of Kenya raises a storm.
He says that he was invited to the KENIC board but is suprised to find that CCK and TESPOK are more equal than others in terms of them being the founding members and articles of assoc..
Yawe, says that is the fact and we may have to leave with it or find a legal way of diluting those powers...
the debate continues...with Mutoro issuing a soft-threat CoFECK that they will find a way into the Board by all (legal) means :-)
debate continues...
walu.
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Thank you Grace Bomu for the observation. As part of the Institutional Assessment, how did the identify that COFEK represents the interests of consumers? Just because they can shout louder than anybody else does not make them a representative body. On 24 August 2012 12:22, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
One would be tempted to ask, Who is COFEK? Who are the members? How does one join COFEK?
2012/8/24 S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com>
Walu,
You forget to mention we have been educated about how CCK & TESPOK funded KENIC into existence.
Buruchara clarifies, no one was fired... they opted out.
G4S... Not needed :) On Aug 24, 2012 12:09 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meanwhile, Steve Mutoro of Consumer Federation of Kenya raises a storm.
He says that he was invited to the KENIC board but is suprised to find that CCK and TESPOK are more equal than others in terms of them being the founding members and articles of assoc..
Yawe, says that is the fact and we may have to leave with it or find a legal way of diluting those powers...
the debate continues...with Mutoro issuing a soft-threat CoFECK that they will find a way into the Board by all (legal) means :-)
debate continues...
walu.
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Hi, Cofek, unlike KICTANET, is a registered organisation that has proven to the relevant authorities that it represents a certain group of consumers of which you may or may not be one of, the onus is on you to proof that they do not represent the interests on any substantial number of consumers. Note that your member of parliament makes statements that presume your subscribe to even though you never voted for him to be elected. http://www.cofek.co.ke/ Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012, 12:22 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC-ongoing CoFECK remarks One would be tempted to ask, Who is COFEK? Who are the members? How does one join COFEK? 2012/8/24 S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> Walu,
You forget to mention we have been educated about how CCK & TESPOK funded KENIC into existence. Buruchara clarifies, no one was fired... they opted out. G4S... Not needed :) On Aug 24, 2012 12:09 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meanwhile, Steve Mutoro of Consumer Federation of Kenya raises a storm.
He says that he was invited to the KENIC board but is suprised to find that CCK and TESPOK are more equal than others in terms of them being the founding members and articles of assoc..
Yawe, says that is the fact and we may have to leave with it or find a legal way of diluting those powers...
the debate continues...with Mutoro issuing a soft-threat CoFECK that they will find a way into the Board by all (legal) means :-)
debate continues...
walu.
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From their website cofek.co.ke, I note that COFEK is registered as a society, and from KICTANet, we have interacted with one of the officials. I was just wondering, COFEK, being a society, who are the members, what is
Yes Robert, the membership criteria etc if I was interested in joining? Perhaps someone could point us to this information.... 2012/8/24 robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi,
Cofek, unlike KICTANET, is a registered organisation that has proven to the relevant authorities that it represents a certain group of consumers of which you may or may not be one of, the onus is on you to proof that they do not represent the interests on any substantial number of consumers.
Note that your member of parliament makes statements that presume your subscribe to even though you never voted for him to be elected.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Friday, 24 August 2012, 12:22 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC-ongoing CoFECK remarks
One would be tempted to ask, Who is COFEK? Who are the members? How does one join COFEK?
2012/8/24 S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com>
Walu, You forget to mention we have been educated about how CCK & TESPOK funded KENIC into existence. Buruchara clarifies, no one was fired... they opted out. G4S... Not needed :) On Aug 24, 2012 12:09 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meanwhile, Steve Mutoro of Consumer Federation of Kenya raises a storm.
He says that he was invited to the KENIC board but is suprised to find that CCK and TESPOK are more equal than others in terms of them being the founding members and articles of assoc..
Yawe, says that is the fact and we may have to leave with it or find a legal way of diluting those powers...
the debate continues...with Mutoro issuing a soft-threat CoFECK that they will find a way into the Board by all (legal) means :-)
debate continues...
walu.
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Hi, Please check on the web site all your questions will then be answered. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012, 14:42 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC-ongoing CoFECK remarks Yes Robert, From their website cofek.co.ke, I note that COFEK is registered as a society, and from KICTANet, we have interacted with one of the officials. I was just wondering, COFEK, being a society, who are the members, what is the membership criteria etc if I was interested in joining? Perhaps someone could point us to this information.... 2012/8/24 robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Hi,
Cofek, unlike KICTANET, is a registered organisation that has proven to the relevant authorities that it represents a certain group of consumers of which you may or may not be one of, the onus is on you to proof that they do not represent the interests on any substantial number of consumers.
Note that your member of parliament makes statements that presume your subscribe to even though you never voted for him to be elected.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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________________________________ From: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012, 12:22 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC-ongoing CoFECK remarks
One would be tempted to ask, Who is COFEK? Who are the members? How does one join COFEK?
2012/8/24 S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com>
Walu,
You forget to mention we have been educated about how CCK & TESPOK funded KENIC into existence. Buruchara clarifies, no one was fired... they opted out. G4S... Not needed :) On Aug 24, 2012 12:09 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Meanwhile, Steve Mutoro of Consumer Federation of Kenya raises a storm.
He says that he was invited to the KENIC board but is suprised to find that CCK and TESPOK are more equal than others in terms of them being the founding members and articles of assoc..
Yawe, says that is the fact and we may have to leave with it or find a legal way of diluting those powers...
the debate continues...with Mutoro issuing a soft-threat CoFECK that they will find a way into the Board by all (legal) means :-)
debate continues...
walu.
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Sammy B. the current Change MAnager at KENIC clarifies that contrary to media reports KENIC Staff were NOT fired. There was restructuring at the organisation and existing staff offered new ToR/Terms with the option to either accept or reject (self-retrenchment with a handshake option). He adds that his role is extremely temporary and he will move out of KENIC as change-manager/CEO asap. walu.
Walu, That position is not true. If you are paid Ksh20,000 on a 3year contract, then after two months your contract is modified to Ksh5,000 on a three year contract, you cannot accept that offer, unless you are paid all your outstanding pay for the three years and your contract terminated. This is what happened to Ringera when he lost his KACC job. The staff might instigate new-unwanted lawsuits to our beloved KENIC. Are there any lawyers who can give us a legal perspective? Did the change manager say what were the crimes of the staff that were sent home? Regards On 24 August 2012 12:18, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sammy B. the current Change MAnager at KENIC clarifies that contrary to media reports KENIC Staff were NOT fired. There was restructuring at the organisation and existing staff offered new ToR/Terms with the option to either accept or reject (self-retrenchment with a handshake option).
He adds that his role is extremely temporary and he will move out of KENIC as change-manager/CEO asap.
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Has the institutional assessment surfaced? Is a soft copy available? Muchiri. ************************* sent from my mobile device. On Aug 24, 2012 1:34 PM, "Kivuva" <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Walu,
That position is not true. If you are paid Ksh20,000 on a 3year contract, then after two months your contract is modified to Ksh5,000 on a three year contract, you cannot accept that offer, unless you are paid all your outstanding pay for the three years and your contract terminated. This is what happened to Ringera when he lost his KACC job. The staff might instigate new-unwanted lawsuits to our beloved KENIC. Are there any lawyers who can give us a legal perspective?
Did the change manager say what were the crimes of the staff that were sent home?
Regards
On 24 August 2012 12:18, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sammy B. the current Change MAnager at KENIC clarifies that contrary to media reports KENIC Staff were NOT fired. There was restructuring at the organisation and existing staff offered new ToR/Terms with the option to either accept or reject (self-retrenchment with a handshake option).
He adds that his role is extremely temporary and he will move out of KENIC as change-manager/CEO asap.
walu.
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If what Kivuva says is right, that is considered as consrtructive dismissal. On 8/24/12, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri@semacraft.com> wrote:
Has the institutional assessment surfaced? Is a soft copy available?
Muchiri.
************************* sent from my mobile device. On Aug 24, 2012 1:34 PM, "Kivuva" <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Walu,
That position is not true. If you are paid Ksh20,000 on a 3year contract, then after two months your contract is modified to Ksh5,000 on a three year contract, you cannot accept that offer, unless you are paid all your outstanding pay for the three years and your contract terminated. This is what happened to Ringera when he lost his KACC job. The staff might instigate new-unwanted lawsuits to our beloved KENIC. Are there any lawyers who can give us a legal perspective?
Did the change manager say what were the crimes of the staff that were sent home?
Regards
On 24 August 2012 12:18, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sammy B. the current Change MAnager at KENIC clarifies that contrary to media reports KENIC Staff were NOT fired. There was restructuring at the organisation and existing staff offered new ToR/Terms with the option to either accept or reject (self-retrenchment with a handshake option).
He adds that his role is extremely temporary and he will move out of KENIC as change-manager/CEO asap.
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Kenic AGM Questions. For the "observers", I wish you can ask these questions: 1. Is there conflict of interest if the "change manager" / CEO of KENIC is a player in the domain registrar business? 2. As a regulator licensing authority, what is the role of CCK in the Kenic board? NB: Independence is a prerequisite for any telecommunications regulator in this case CCK. Regulator independence involves: the separation of the regulator from the operators that it regulates; lack of political influence on the regulator; and an open and transparent regulatory decision making process. On 24 August 2012 11:24, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Kivuva
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
Walu, I thoutht your second point is in the articles of association?
It is. Unless it was changed recently.
On 24 August 2012 10:14, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ndemo just made some remarks...
1) that perhaps KENIC finds a way to include ALL stakeholders (i.e. anyone with a .KE string). 2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
walu.
--- On *Fri, 8/24/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 9:31 AM
I am at the kenic meeting where I thought we would be well represented but as expected there are more kenic board members than kictanet representatives.
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 23:10 BST Grace Githaiga wrote:
Talks to resolve row at Internet firm
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Talks+to+resolve+row+at+Internet+firm/...
The multi-stakeholder institution charged with administering Kenya’s
Internet domain .ke, is hoping to iron out differences over its recent restructuring in its annual general meeting on Friday.The meeting, which will be held in Nairobi, brings together registrars, government representatives, Internet businesses and other people interested in the ICT sector.Speaking on Thursday, the organisation’s change manager, Mr Sammy Buruchara, said the forum would provide a good platform for the board of the institution to iron out issues facing the company.“It will give the board of the Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC) an opportunity to clear the air over all the allegations arising from the ongoing organisational restructure and create rapport on the way forward,” Mr Buruchara said.The AGM comes at a time when the institution is facing questions from the public over its decision to fire all its employees in what it says is an organisational restructure.A number of board members have also left KeNIC in the past two months.In an email, Information and Communications Permanent Secretary Bitange Ndemo termed the decision to terminate employees’ contracts without consulting stakeholders as drastic and unprocedural.“Even in the Government, firing employees has several steps that must be followed to ensure security of tenure. This came as a surprise, yet we are supposed to be stakeholders. We must all respect the spirit of the Constitution, especially in such a multi-stakeholder agency,” Dr Ndemo said.In reaction, Mr Buruchara, who is on a three-month contract to oversee the execution of an institutional assessment report prepared by ZappKaas Consulting and Training Ltd, said KeNIC is an organisation with a working board and people should stop questioning its decision.Currently, KeNIC is the administrator of over 20,000 domains at the .ke registry.
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Kivuva, 1. You can't send email questions at 12.45 for an AGM that started at 8am :( 2. Why did you not come in person to have these and other concerns you have raised addressed? 3. A frequent comment that came out at the AGM was that the very low turnout out is indicative of Kenyan's propensity to "shadow box" and shy away from meaningful engagement. Brian [image: logo] *Brian Munyao Longwe* | Mobile: 254715964281 http://mashilingi.blogspot.com <http://www.facebook.com/brianmunyao> Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/brianmunyao> <http://www.twitter.com/blongwe> Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/blongwe> <http://ke.linkedin.com/pub/brian-munyao-longwe/0/32/254> LinkedIn<http://ke.linkedin.com/pub/brian-munyao-longwe/0/32/254> Contact me: [image: Skype] blongwe Want a signature like mine? <http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=16&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_16> Click here.<http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=16&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_16> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Kenic AGM Questions. For the "observers", I wish you can ask these questions: 1. Is there conflict of interest if the "change manager" / CEO of KENIC is a player in the domain registrar business? 2. As a regulator licensing authority, what is the role of CCK in the Kenic board?
NB: Independence is a prerequisite for any telecommunications regulator in this case CCK. Regulator independence involves: the separation of the regulator from the operators that it regulates; lack of political influence on the regulator; and an open and transparent regulatory decision making process.
On 24 August 2012 11:24, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Kivuva
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
Walu, I thoutht your second point is in the articles of association?
It is. Unless it was changed recently.
On 24 August 2012 10:14, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ndemo just made some remarks...
1) that perhaps KENIC finds a way to include ALL stakeholders (i.e. anyone with a .KE string). 2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
walu.
--- On *Fri, 8/24/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 9:31 AM
I am at the kenic meeting where I thought we would be well represented but as expected there are more kenic board members than kictanet representatives.
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 23:10 BST Grace Githaiga wrote:
Talks to resolve row at Internet firm
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Talks+to+resolve+row+at+Internet+firm/...
The multi-stakeholder institution charged with administering Kenya’s
Internet domain .ke, is hoping to iron out differences over its recent restructuring in its annual general meeting on Friday.The meeting, which will be held in Nairobi, brings together registrars, government representatives, Internet businesses and other people interested in the ICT sector.Speaking on Thursday, the organisation’s change manager, Mr Sammy Buruchara, said the forum would provide a good platform for the board of the institution to iron out issues facing the company.“It will give the board of the Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC) an opportunity to clear the air over all the allegations arising from the ongoing organisational restructure and create rapport on the way forward,” Mr Buruchara said.The AGM comes at a time when the institution is facing questions from the public over its decision to fire all its employees in what it says is an organisational restructure.A number of board members have also left KeNIC in the past two months.In an email, Information and Communications Permanent Secretary Bitange Ndemo termed the decision to terminate employees’ contracts without consulting stakeholders as drastic and unprocedural.“Even in the Government, firing employees has several steps that must be followed to ensure security of tenure. This came as a surprise, yet we are supposed to be stakeholders. We must all respect the spirit of the Constitution, especially in such a multi-stakeholder agency,” Dr Ndemo said.In reaction, Mr Buruchara, who is on a three-month contract to oversee the execution of an institutional assessment report prepared by ZappKaas Consulting and Training Ltd, said KeNIC is an organisation with a working board and people should stop questioning its decision.Currently, KeNIC is the administrator of over 20,000 domains at the .ke registry.
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Brian, I gather that most of those questions were asked, therefore we were well represented by the "multi-stakeholders". But from the onset, the so called "community" was invited to "Observe" the AGM. Such a bad tone was in bad taste, and it worked the desired results of low turnout. As Robert put it correctly, the community work was to tweet and FB the proceedings :( Regards On 24 August 2012 14:42, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Kivuva,
1. You can't send email questions at 12.45 for an AGM that started at 8am :( 2. Why did you not come in person to have these and other concerns you have raised addressed? 3. A frequent comment that came out at the AGM was that the very low turnout out is indicative of Kenyan's propensity to "shadow box" and shy away from meaningful engagement.
Brian
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Kenic AGM Questions. For the "observers", I wish you can ask these questions: 1. Is there conflict of interest if the "change manager" / CEO of KENIC is a player in the domain registrar business? 2. As a regulator licensing authority, what is the role of CCK in the Kenic board?
NB: Independence is a prerequisite for any telecommunications regulator in this case CCK. Regulator independence involves: the separation of the regulator from the operators that it regulates; lack of political influence on the regulator; and an open and transparent regulatory decision making process.
On 24 August 2012 11:24, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Kivuva
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
Walu, I thoutht your second point is in the articles of association?
It is. Unless it was changed recently.
On 24 August 2012 10:14, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ndemo just made some remarks...
1) that perhaps KENIC finds a way to include ALL stakeholders (i.e. anyone with a .KE string). 2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
walu.
--- On *Fri, 8/24/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 9:31 AM
I am at the kenic meeting where I thought we would be well represented but as expected there are more kenic board members than kictanet representatives.
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 23:10 BST Grace Githaiga wrote:
Talks to resolve row at Internet firm
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Talks+to+resolve+row+at+Internet+firm/...
The multi-stakeholder institution charged with administering Kenya’s
Internet domain .ke, is hoping to iron out differences over its recent restructuring in its annual general meeting on Friday.The meeting, which will be held in Nairobi, brings together registrars, government representatives, Internet businesses and other people interested in the ICT sector.Speaking on Thursday, the organisation’s change manager, Mr Sammy Buruchara, said the forum would provide a good platform for the board of the institution to iron out issues facing the company.“It will give the board of the Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC) an opportunity to clear the air over all the allegations arising from the ongoing organisational restructure and create rapport on the way forward,” Mr Buruchara said.The AGM comes at a time when the institution is facing questions from the public over its decision to fire all its employees in what it says is an organisational restructure.A number of board members have also left KeNIC in the past two months.In an email, Information and Communications Permanent Secretary Bitange Ndemo termed the decision to terminate employees’ contracts without consulting stakeholders as drastic and unprocedural.“Even in the Government, firing employees has several steps that must be followed to ensure security of tenure. This came as a surprise, yet we are supposed to be stakeholders. We must all respect the spirit of the Constitution, especially in such a multi-stakeholder agency,” Dr Ndemo said.In reaction, Mr Buruchara, who is on a three-month contract to oversee the execution of an institutional assessment report prepared by ZappKaas Consulting and Training Ltd, said KeNIC is an organisation with a working board and people should stop questioning its decision.Currently, KeNIC is the administrator of over 20,000 domains at the .ke registry.
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Hi, To reiterate what Brian as said, KENIC catered or 70 participants who had indicated that they shall attend only for 30 people to show up. Please, when you are sure you have no intention of attending do not register as you cause the organisers to lose money. It is time we realised that sending a confirmation is not the same as clicking "like" on facebook or on an advert. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, 24 August 2012, 14:42 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC-ongoing Ndemo's remarks Kivuva, 1. You can't send email questions at 12.45 for an AGM that started at 8am :( 2. Why did you not come in person to have these and other concerns you have raised addressed? 3. A frequent comment that came out at the AGM was that the very low turnout out is indicative of Kenyan's propensity to "shadow box" and shy away from meaningful engagement. Brian Brian Munyao Longwe | Mobile: 254715964281http://mashilingi.blogspot.com Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Contact me: blongwe Want a signature like mine? Click here. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Kenic AGM Questions.
For the "observers", I wish you can ask these questions: 1. Is there conflict of interest if the "change manager" / CEO of KENIC is a player in the domain registrar business? 2. As a regulator licensing authority, what is the role of CCK in the Kenic board?
NB: Independence is a prerequisite for any telecommunications regulator in this case CCK. Regulator independence involves: the separation of the regulator from the operators that it regulates; lack of political influence on the regulator; and an open and transparent regulatory decision making process.
On 24 August 2012 11:24, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Kivuva
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
Walu, I thoutht your second point is in the articles of association?
It is. Unless it was changed recently.
On 24 August 2012 10:14, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ndemo just made some remarks...
1) that perhaps KENIC finds a way to include ALL stakeholders (i.e. anyone with a .KE string). 2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
walu.
--- On Fri, 8/24/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 9:31 AM
I am at the kenic meeting where I thought we would be well represented but as expected there are more kenic board members than kictanet
representatives.
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 23:10 BST Grace Githaiga wrote:
Talks to resolve row at Internet firm http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Talks+to+resolve+row+at+Internet+firm/...
The multi-stakeholder institution charged with administering Kenya’s Internet domain .ke, is hoping to iron out differences over its recent restructuring in its annual general meeting on Friday.The meeting, which will be held in Nairobi, brings together registrars, government representatives, Internet businesses and other people interested in the ICT sector.Speaking on Thursday, the organisation’s change manager, Mr Sammy Buruchara, said the forum would provide a good platform for the board of the
institution to iron out issues facing the company.“It will give the board of the Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC) an opportunity to clear the air over all the allegations arising from the ongoing organisational restructure and create rapport on the way forward,” Mr Buruchara said.The AGM comes at a time when the institution is facing questions from the public over its decision to fire all its employees in what it says is an organisational
restructure.A number of board members have also left KeNIC in the past two months.In an email, Information and Communications Permanent Secretary Bitange Ndemo termed the decision to terminate employees’ contracts without consulting stakeholders as drastic and unprocedural.“Even in the Government, firing employees has several steps that must be followed to ensure security of tenure. This came as a surprise, yet we are supposed to be stakeholders. We must all respect the spirit of the Constitution, especially in such a multi-stakeholder agency,” Dr Ndemo said.In reaction, Mr Buruchara, who is on a three-month contract to oversee the execution of an institutional assessment report prepared by ZappKaas Consulting and Training Ltd, said KeNIC is an organisation with a working board and people should stop questioning its decision.Currently, KeNIC is the administrator of over 20,000 domains at the .ke registry.
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+1 Robert. Its actually immoral because at the end of it, it's the organisation's money that get lost. On 24 August 2012 15:02, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
To reiterate what Brian as said, KENIC catered or 70 participants who had indicated that they shall attend only for 30 people to show up.
Please, when you are sure you have no intention of attending do not register as you cause the organisers to lose money. It is time we realised that sending a confirmation is not the same as clicking "like" on facebook or on an advert.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Friday, 24 August 2012, 14:42 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC-ongoing Ndemo's remarks
Kivuva,
1. You can't send email questions at 12.45 for an AGM that started at 8am :( 2. Why did you not come in person to have these and other concerns you have raised addressed? 3. A frequent comment that came out at the AGM was that the very low turnout out is indicative of Kenyan's propensity to "shadow box" and shy away from meaningful engagement.
Brian
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Kenic AGM Questions. For the "observers", I wish you can ask these questions: 1. Is there conflict of interest if the "change manager" / CEO of KENIC is a player in the domain registrar business? 2. As a regulator licensing authority, what is the role of CCK in the Kenic board?
NB: Independence is a prerequisite for any telecommunications regulator in this case CCK. Regulator independence involves: the separation of the regulator from the operators that it regulates; lack of political influence on the regulator; and an open and transparent regulatory decision making process.
On 24 August 2012 11:24, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Kivuva
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
Walu, I thoutht your second point is in the articles of association?
It is. Unless it was changed recently.
On 24 August 2012 10:14, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ndemo just made some remarks...
1) that perhaps KENIC finds a way to include ALL stakeholders (i.e. anyone with a .KE string). 2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
walu.
--- On *Fri, 8/24/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 9:31 AM
I am at the kenic meeting where I thought we would be well represented but as expected there are more kenic board members than kictanet representatives.
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 23:10 BST Grace Githaiga wrote:
Talks to resolve row at Internet firm
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Talks+to+resolve+row+at+Internet+firm/...
The multi-stakeholder institution charged with administering Kenya’s
Internet domain .ke, is hoping to iron out differences over its recent restructuring in its annual general meeting on Friday.The meeting, which will be held in Nairobi, brings together registrars, government representatives, Internet businesses and other people interested in the ICT sector.Speaking on Thursday, the organisation’s change manager, Mr Sammy Buruchara, said the forum would provide a good platform for the board of the institution to iron out issues facing the company.“It will give the board of the Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC) an opportunity to clear the air over all the allegations arising from the ongoing organisational restructure and create rapport on the way forward,” Mr Buruchara said.The AGM comes at a time when the institution is facing questions from the public over its decision to fire all its employees in what it says is an organisational restructure.A number of board members have also left KeNIC in the past two months.In an email, Information and Communications Permanent Secretary Bitange Ndemo termed the decision to terminate employees’ contracts without consulting stakeholders as drastic and unprocedural.“Even in the Government, firing employees has several steps that must be followed to ensure security of tenure. This came as a surprise, yet we are supposed to be stakeholders. We must all respect the spirit of the Constitution, especially in such a multi-stakeholder agency,” Dr Ndemo said.In reaction, Mr Buruchara, who is on a three-month contract to oversee the execution of an institutional assessment report prepared by ZappKaas Consulting and Training Ltd, said KeNIC is an organisation with a working board and people should stop questioning its decision.Currently, KeNIC is the administrator of over 20,000 domains at the .ke registry.
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It is not possible to excuse the 40 who did not show up after confirming attendance. However, with only two days notice to adjust our schedules it was likely that a great number of those who would have wanted to be there to observe would be left with no choice but to follow proceedings via the kind updates of those who did make it. The questions may have been late but as a community I see nothing wrong with finding ways of accommodating remote participants even though KENIC made no such arrangements. Kind regards, Muchiri Nyaggah | PRINCIPAL PARTNER @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 We work with leaders to identify and bring to market great innovations in Africa. SEMACRAFT CONSULTING PARTNERS Nairobi, Kenya. www.semacraft.com | www.semacraft.com/blog twitter: @semacraft On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
+1 Robert. Its actually immoral because at the end of it, it's the organisation's money that get lost.
On 24 August 2012 15:02, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
To reiterate what Brian as said, KENIC catered or 70 participants who had indicated that they shall attend only for 30 people to show up.
Please, when you are sure you have no intention of attending do not register as you cause the organisers to lose money. It is time we realised that sending a confirmation is not the same as clicking "like" on facebook or on an advert.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Kivuva,
1. You can't send email questions at 12.45 for an AGM that started at 8am :( 2. Why did you not come in person to have these and other concerns you have raised addressed? 3. A frequent comment that came out at the AGM was that the very low turnout out is indicative of Kenyan's propensity to "shadow box" and shy away from meaningful engagement.
Brian
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Kenic AGM Questions. For the "observers", I wish you can ask these questions: 1. Is there conflict of interest if the "change manager" / CEO of KENIC is a player in the domain registrar business? 2. As a regulator licensing authority, what is the role of CCK in the Kenic board?
NB: Independence is a prerequisite for any telecommunications regulator in this case CCK. Regulator independence involves: the separation of the regulator from the operators that it regulates; lack of political influence on the regulator; and an open and transparent regulatory decision making process.
On 24 August 2012 11:24, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Kivuva
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
Walu, I thoutht your second point is in the articles of association?
It is. Unless it was changed recently.
On 24 August 2012 10:14, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ndemo just made some remarks...
1) that perhaps KENIC finds a way to include ALL stakeholders (i.e. anyone with a .KE string). 2) that perhaps KENIC Board members should serve not more than two terms (max 6yrs)
walu.
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From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 9:31 AM
I am at the kenic meeting where I thought we would be well represented but as expected there are more kenic board members than kictanet representatives.
------------------------------ On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 23:10 BST Grace Githaiga wrote:
Talks to resolve row at Internet firm
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Talks+to+resolve+row+at+Internet+firm/...
The multi-stakeholder institution charged with administering Kenya’s
Internet domain .ke, is hoping to iron out differences over its recent restructuring in its annual general meeting on Friday.The meeting, which will be held in Nairobi, brings together registrars, government representatives, Internet businesses and other people interested in the ICT sector.Speaking on Thursday, the organisation’s change manager, Mr Sammy Buruchara, said the forum would provide a good platform for the board of the institution to iron out issues facing the company.“It will give the board of the Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC) an opportunity to clear the air over all the allegations arising from the ongoing organisational restructure and create rapport on the way forward,” Mr Buruchara said.The AGM comes at a time when the institution is facing questions from the public over its decision to fire all its employees in what it says is an organisational restructure.A number of board members have also left KeNIC in the past two months.In an email, Information and Communications Permanent Secretary Bitange Ndemo termed the decision to terminate employees’ contracts without consulting stakeholders as drastic and unprocedural.“Even in the Government, firing employees has several steps that must be followed to ensure security of tenure. This came as a surprise, yet we are supposed to be stakeholders. We must all respect the spirit of the Constitution, especially in such a multi-stakeholder agency,” Dr Ndemo said.In reaction, Mr Buruchara, who is on a three-month contract to oversee the execution of an institutional assessment report prepared by ZappKaas Consulting and Training Ltd, said KeNIC is an organisation with a working board and people should stop questioning its decision.Currently, KeNIC is the administrator of over 20,000 domains at the .ke registry.
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Listers, When ISO standards were introduced to Kenya, few of us paid attention. Europe today insists on produce data including the soil type, amount fertilizer, chemicals aaplied etc. Time has come when we need all poultry data. There is evidence that it is far cheaper to produce conterfeit eggs than waiting for the checken to lay them. See link below and why we must be vigilant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0US7JEfhsrA We need better scanning of all containers coming into this country and possibly monitor movement of all foreigners who have doggy incomes. Ndemo.
Fake Eggs? how. . .what. . .why would you go to all that effort? wouldn't the real eggs be cheaper? On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, When ISO standards were introduced to Kenya, few of us paid attention. Europe today insists on produce data including the soil type, amount fertilizer, chemicals aaplied etc. Time has come when we need all poultry data. There is evidence that it is far cheaper to produce conterfeit eggs than waiting for the checken to lay them. See link below and why we must be vigilant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0US7JEfhsrA
We need better scanning of all containers coming into this country and possibly monitor movement of all foreigners who have doggy incomes.
Ndemo.
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I mean its one thing to fake designer bags (etc) but don’t you think the line has been crossed once human health is put on the line? Nobody is harmed after the purchase of fake bag but think about the thousands of people that have cooked this crap & eaten it without knowing any better. *Anyone remember the 2008 Chinese Milk Scandal? * On 28 August 2012 16:32, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Fake Eggs? how. . .what. . .why would you go to all that effort? wouldn't the real eggs be cheaper?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, When ISO standards were introduced to Kenya, few of us paid attention. Europe today insists on produce data including the soil type, amount fertilizer, chemicals aaplied etc. Time has come when we need all poultry data. There is evidence that it is far cheaper to produce conterfeit eggs than waiting for the checken to lay them. See link below and why we must be vigilant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0US7JEfhsrA
We need better scanning of all containers coming into this country and possibly monitor movement of all foreigners who have doggy incomes.
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Mark Not in China. This is an interesting topic on ethics and the profit motive. Probably beyond that its criminal. Dr.Ndemo raises a point that is beyond this though. How have we opened up our countries to everything when we should actually be making a case for protecting nascent industries from unfair competition? For example Japan and Korea still protect their motor industries even after 20 years; America and the EU still has major subsidies for its agricultural sector. And the list goes on as can be seen by cases piling up at the WTO:- http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_by_country_e.htm#complaina... An interesting fact: Only Egypt and South Africa have cases pending both for or against them at the WTO. This begs the question:- Don't African countries have issues to be resolved at the WTO? Doesn't Kenya? Last time I checked we were members... This issue of fake eggs just brings to the fore the implications both from a health perspective and an economical one the effects of free trade across borders without proper mechanisms to protect citizens and local industry. Ali Hussein On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Fake Eggs? how. . .what. . .why would you go to all that effort? wouldn't the real eggs be cheaper?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, When ISO standards were introduced to Kenya, few of us paid attention. Europe today insists on produce data including the soil type, amount fertilizer, chemicals aaplied etc. Time has come when we need all poultry data. There is evidence that it is far cheaper to produce conterfeit eggs than waiting for the checken to lay them. See link below and why we must be vigilant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0US7JEfhsrA
We need better scanning of all containers coming into this country and possibly monitor movement of all foreigners who have doggy incomes.
Ndemo.
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On the issue of fake-eggs, there has been an email going round on dead chickens collected in dustbins and packaged for the market. Very scary. http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=14220 On 28 August 2012 17:21, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Mark
Not in China. This is an interesting topic on ethics and the profit motive. Probably beyond that its criminal.
Dr.Ndemo raises a point that is beyond this though. How have we opened up our countries to everything when we should actually be making a case for protecting nascent industries from unfair competition?
For example Japan and Korea still protect their motor industries even after 20 years; America and the EU still has major subsidies for its agricultural sector. And the list goes on as can be seen by cases piling up at the WTO:-
http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_by_country_e.htm#complaina...
An interesting fact: Only Egypt and South Africa have cases pending both for or against them at the WTO. This begs the question:-
Don't African countries have issues to be resolved at the WTO? Doesn't Kenya? Last time I checked we were members...
This issue of fake eggs just brings to the fore the implications both from a health perspective and an economical one the effects of free trade across borders without proper mechanisms to protect citizens and local industry.
Ali Hussein
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Fake Eggs? how. . .what. . .why would you go to all that effort? wouldn't the real eggs be cheaper?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, When ISO standards were introduced to Kenya, few of us paid attention. Europe today insists on produce data including the soil type, amount fertilizer, chemicals aaplied etc. Time has come when we need all poultry data. There is evidence that it is far cheaper to produce conterfeit eggs than waiting for the checken to lay them. See link below and why we must be vigilant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0US7JEfhsrA
We need better scanning of all containers coming into this country and possibly monitor movement of all foreigners who have doggy incomes.
Ndemo.
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*Nairobi, Kenya*
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Maybe I am digressing but as KICTANET shouldnt we be coming up with solutions not just comments. Daktari, if a local developer had a solution for KPA to scan all these containers but does not meet all those stringent procurement rules, how can they introduce their solution? Edward On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
On the issue of fake-eggs, there has been an email going round on dead chickens collected in dustbins and packaged for the market. Very scary.
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=14220
On 28 August 2012 17:21, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Mark
Not in China. This is an interesting topic on ethics and the profit motive. Probably beyond that its criminal.
Dr.Ndemo raises a point that is beyond this though. How have we opened up our countries to everything when we should actually be making a case for protecting nascent industries from unfair competition?
For example Japan and Korea still protect their motor industries even after 20 years; America and the EU still has major subsidies for its agricultural sector. And the list goes on as can be seen by cases piling up at the WTO:-
http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_by_country_e.htm#complaina...
An interesting fact: Only Egypt and South Africa have cases pending both for or against them at the WTO. This begs the question:-
Don't African countries have issues to be resolved at the WTO? Doesn't Kenya? Last time I checked we were members...
This issue of fake eggs just brings to the fore the implications both from a health perspective and an economical one the effects of free trade across borders without proper mechanisms to protect citizens and local industry.
Ali Hussein
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Fake Eggs? how. . .what. . .why would you go to all that effort? wouldn't the real eggs be cheaper?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, When ISO standards were introduced to Kenya, few of us paid attention. Europe today insists on produce data including the soil type, amount fertilizer, chemicals aaplied etc. Time has come when we need all poultry data. There is evidence that it is far cheaper to produce conterfeit eggs than waiting for the checken to lay them. See link below and why we must be vigilant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0US7JEfhsrA
We need better scanning of all containers coming into this country and possibly monitor movement of all foreigners who have doggy incomes.
Ndemo.
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* *Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group
Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road
P O Box 14556-00100
Office: +254 737 751409
Cell: +254 773/713 601113
*Nairobi, Kenya*
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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Mr. Lusega, I see so many great software solutions but we have never managed to recognize our own creativity. This is probably what Ngugi called decolonizing the mind. Last Friday I launched Bata Online at Sankara Hotel. What made my day was that Bata will utilize our own Liko's payment gateway, Pesapal. These in my view would be some of the incremental gains that will create confidence among ourselves. The current procurement law is a reflection of how distrust ourselves and we all have to blame. We abuse any minor loophole that exist to the extent that even well meaning projects are hurt. We simply must begin to embrace those values we created in the constitution. Sad that we want to legislate values when more than 90% of us belong to some religion. Counterfeit eggs must provoke us to build systems that will ensure the security of our people. How can we leverage on technology to protect our produce from the farmer to the market? Do we have a farmer database? Can we use such technologies such as RFID to enable sources and traceability of produce? I this is why we went to school. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edward Lusega <elusega@gmail.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:47:58 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Counterfeit Eggs and why we must automate produce records _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Kenchic has had a farm-to-fork system for a while now and I believe this is what prompted the likes of KFC to set up shop here. Even the produce in Marikiti should be traceable to the individual farmer that grew the stuff. This will force accountability and in the case of contaminants Isolation and further action. Juakali methods are a detriment to everyone. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 10:10 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Mr. Lusega, I see so many great software solutions but we have never managed to recognize our own creativity. This is probably what Ngugi called decolonizing the mind. Last Friday I launched Bata Online at Sankara Hotel. What made my day was that Bata will utilize our own Liko's payment gateway, Pesapal. These in my view would be some of the incremental gains that will create confidence among ourselves.
The current procurement law is a reflection of how distrust ourselves and we all have to blame. We abuse any minor loophole that exist to the extent that even well meaning projects are hurt. We simply must begin to embrace those values we created in the constitution. Sad that we want to legislate values when more than 90% of us belong to some religion.
Counterfeit eggs must provoke us to build systems that will ensure the security of our people. How can we leverage on technology to protect our produce from the farmer to the market? Do we have a farmer database? Can we use such technologies such as RFID to enable sources and traceability of produce? I this is why we went to school.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Edward Lusega <elusega@gmail.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange= jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:47:58 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Counterfeit Eggs and why we must automate produce records
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This is shocking to say the least. Local markets must be protected. The story about free markets is hogwash since the countries that preach it the most do not allow foreign companies to dominate their markets. This reminds me of the political nightmare that ensued when a Chinese company attempted to buy an american oil company. And this happened in the 'freest' country on the planet. We must lock down our markets. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Mark
Not in China. This is an interesting topic on ethics and the profit motive. Probably beyond that its criminal.
Dr.Ndemo raises a point that is beyond this though. How have we opened up our countries to everything when we should actually be making a case for protecting nascent industries from unfair competition?
For example Japan and Korea still protect their motor industries even after 20 years; America and the EU still has major subsidies for its agricultural sector. And the list goes on as can be seen by cases piling up at the WTO:-
http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_by_country_e.htm#complaina...
An interesting fact: Only Egypt and South Africa have cases pending both for or against them at the WTO. This begs the question:-
Don't African countries have issues to be resolved at the WTO? Doesn't Kenya? Last time I checked we were members...
This issue of fake eggs just brings to the fore the implications both from a health perspective and an economical one the effects of free trade across borders without proper mechanisms to protect citizens and local industry.
Ali Hussein
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
Fake Eggs? how. . .what. . .why would you go to all that effort? wouldn't the real eggs be cheaper?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:24 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, When ISO standards were introduced to Kenya, few of us paid attention. Europe today insists on produce data including the soil type, amount fertilizer, chemicals aaplied etc. Time has come when we need all poultry data. There is evidence that it is far cheaper to produce conterfeit eggs than waiting for the checken to lay them. See link below and why we must be vigilant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0US7JEfhsrA
We need better scanning of all containers coming into this country and possibly monitor movement of all foreigners who have doggy incomes.
Ndemo.
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*Ali Hussein|Managing Partner*
* *Telemedia Africa Azania Technology Group
Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road
P O Box 14556-00100
Office: +254 737 751409
Cell: +254 773/713 601113
*Nairobi, Kenya*
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
"You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis, member, Advertising Hall of Fame
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A legal question... Does the law require at least a 14-day public notice prior to convening an AGM? If indeed so, can the otherwise rushed 'AGM' be considered as legally convened? regards, ________________________________ From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: ict.researcher@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Talks to resolve row at KENIC-ongoing Ndemo's remarks Kivuva, 1. You can't send email questions at 12.45 for an AGM that started at 8am :( 2. Why did you not come in person to have these and other concerns you have raised addressed? 3. A frequent comment that came out at the AGM was that the very low turnout out is indicative of Kenyan's propensity to "shadow box" and shy away from meaningful engagement. Brian Brian Munyao Longwe | Mobile: 254715964281http://mashilingi.blogspot.com Facebook Twitter LinkedIn Contact me: blongwe Want a signature like mine? Click here. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Kenic AGM Questions.
For the "observers", I wish you can ask these questions: 1. Is there conflict of interest if the "change manager" / CEO of KENIC is a player in the domain registrar business? 2. As a regulator licensing authority, what is the role of CCK in the Kenic board?
NB: Independence is a prerequisite for any telecommunications regulator in this case CCK. Regulator independence involves: the separation of the regulator from the operators that it regulates; lack of political influence on the regulator; and an open and transparent regulatory decision making process.
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Ali Hussein -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Edward Lusega -
Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) -
ICT Researcher -
Kerubo Ombati -
Kivuva -
Mark Mwangi -
Michael Bullut -
Muchiri Nyaggah -
robert yawe -
S.M. Muraya -
Walubengo J