Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions- over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl. Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. Sidney
Listers This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services. However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask. It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation. Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-ne...
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
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Listers, Simply the dominant market player effect - now we can all "feel" what we all thought about Safarcom's dominance and the risk to the economy. However no discussion can really take place unless we quantify the market place risk. For those with access to data have a stab at this which will give us an insight on a macro level basis. What has surprised me most is the lack of coping mechanisms for most. RISK = ( System Vulnerability + Exposure degree) / ( Coping Ability) * Threat. BR Eric Mwangi Vault Global Sent from my iPhone
On 25 Apr 2017, at 07:31, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-ne...
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
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Mr. Ali, A simple SMS would work if the SMS worked in the first place :D Anyway maybe they should use Twitter Hourly Updates. A lot of the organizations that have had such issues have been using Hourly Twitter Updates. On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face- sanctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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Ali, Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk? When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline. We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile.... On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face- sanctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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A Critical Infrastructure Protection Bill is clearly needed. Safaricom should be one of communication infrastructure institution covered. They are this important over and above the dominance debate. No harm learning from others: - https://www.dhs.gov/critical-infrastructure-sectors In 2011, I wrote a proposal on this to the e-government directorate then. I hope we don't just talk about this outage incident but learn and take some actions. CS Mucheru and PS Victor can pick this up. Hopefully, full time whistle does not go off before they can table. All the same, this needs to be done and must be done. On Apr 25, 2017 10:45 AM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <0713%20601113> / 0770906375 <0770%20906375>
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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There is a critical infrastructure bill... On Apr 25, 2017 11:35, "Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A Critical Infrastructure Protection Bill is clearly needed. Safaricom should be one of communication infrastructure institution covered. They are this important over and above the dominance debate.
No harm learning from others: - https://www.dhs.gov/ critical-infrastructure-sectors
In 2011, I wrote a proposal on this to the e-government directorate then. I hope we don't just talk about this outage incident but learn and take some actions.
CS Mucheru and PS Victor can pick this up. Hopefully, full time whistle does not go off before they can table. All the same, this needs to be done and must be done.
On Apr 25, 2017 10:45 AM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <0713%20601113> / 0770906375 <0770%20906375>
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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Do you know where I can find it? Which organization is mandated to institutionalize the bill? I would love to know more. On Apr 25, 2017 1:15 PM, "Francis Monyango" <monyango93@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a critical infrastructure bill...
On Apr 25, 2017 11:35, "Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A Critical Infrastructure Protection Bill is clearly needed. Safaricom should be one of communication infrastructure institution covered. They are this important over and above the dominance debate.
No harm learning from others: - https://www.dhs.gov/critical -infrastructure-sectors
In 2011, I wrote a proposal on this to the e-government directorate then. I hope we don't just talk about this outage incident but learn and take some actions.
CS Mucheru and PS Victor can pick this up. Hopefully, full time whistle does not go off before they can table. All the same, this needs to be done and must be done.
On Apr 25, 2017 10:45 AM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <0713%20601113> / 0770906375 <0770%20906375>
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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I had a look at it last year. Once, I find it I will share it here. On Apr 25, 2017 13:19, "Dorcas Muthoni" <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you know where I can find it? Which organization is mandated to institutionalize the bill? I would love to know more.
On Apr 25, 2017 1:15 PM, "Francis Monyango" <monyango93@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a critical infrastructure bill...
On Apr 25, 2017 11:35, "Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A Critical Infrastructure Protection Bill is clearly needed. Safaricom should be one of communication infrastructure institution covered. They are this important over and above the dominance debate.
No harm learning from others: - https://www.dhs.gov/critical -infrastructure-sectors
In 2011, I wrote a proposal on this to the e-government directorate then. I hope we don't just talk about this outage incident but learn and take some actions.
CS Mucheru and PS Victor can pick this up. Hopefully, full time whistle does not go off before they can table. All the same, this needs to be done and must be done.
On Apr 25, 2017 10:45 AM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 <0713%20601113> / 0770906375 <0770%20906375>
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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@Ngigi I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-) We have a choice. For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money. For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice. Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia. C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what? YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!) Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services. Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-ne...
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
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@Ali, My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue. As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm. Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo! On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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@Ngigi We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak' I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation. Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-) Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote: @Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-ne...
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
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@Ali, ITU has a simplified way of calculating degree of competition in a specific market segment e.g mobile money market. It has a strange name, the Herfindahl-Hirschman Index (HHI), but it seeks to determine market concentration beyond - 'how many players exists in a market?'. It attempts to measure 'effective competition' by delving into the market share each of the players controls. In other words, a market of 4 players could actually be LESS competitive than a market of just TWO players -depending on their market shares. As an example, If two players exist in a market and split it equally on a 50:50 basis, that market is more competitive than one with 4 players where the share ratio is say 70:15:10:5. Tafakari hayo :-) walu From: Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Admin CampusCiti <info@campusciti.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage @Ngigi We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak' I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation. Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-) Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote: @Ali, My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue. As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm. Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo! On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote: @Ngigi I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-) We have a choice. For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money.2. PesaLink3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money. For Connectivity 1. Orange2. Liquid3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network..4. Surf by Facebook 😜5. Zuku6. JTL As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice. Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia. C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what? YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!) Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services. Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin. com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali, Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk? When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens:1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services.3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline. We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile.... On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Listers This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services. However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask. It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation. Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.c om/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/5 39546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.h tml That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl. Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. 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@Walu I'm hard pressed to take anything from ITU seriously.. :-) I'm sorry but those guys still think we live in the Telegram era... The dynamics of the Telco market are simply too fluid to label dominant any player st this point. Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 25 Apr 2017, at 7:44 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ali,
ITU has a simplified way of calculating degree of competition in a specific market segment e.g mobile money market. It has a strange name, the Herfindahl-Hirschman Index (HHI), but it seeks to determine market concentration beyond - 'how many players exists in a market?'.
It attempts to measure 'effective competition' by delving into the market share each of the players controls. In other words, a market of 4 players could actually be LESS competitive than a market of just TWO players -depending on their market shares.
As an example, If two players exist in a market and split it equally on a 50:50 basis, that market is more competitive than one with 4 players where the share ratio is say 70:15:10:5.
Tafakari hayo :-)
walu
From: Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Admin CampusCiti <info@campusciti.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
@Ngigi
We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation.
Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-)
Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote: @Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin. com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.c om/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/5 39546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.h tml
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
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@Ali, Mr, you can shoot the messenger, just not the message! ITU is not *irrelevant*. They have their study/studies on these issues, before you dismiss them in total, how about you look indepth at what they have to say, then counter that, point by point. Otherwise I will label thee a *Safaricom hardliner* and ask you to declare any interests (Do they owe you any Bonga Points?) ; past, current, future :-) Rgds On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Walu
I'm hard pressed to take anything from ITU seriously.. :-)
I'm sorry but those guys still think we live in the Telegram era...
The dynamics of the Telco market are simply too fluid to label dominant any player st this point.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 7:44 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ali,
ITU has a simplified way of calculating degree of competition in a specific market segment e.g mobile money market. It has a strange name, the Herfindahl-Hirschman Index (HHI), but it seeks to determine market concentration beyond - 'how many players exists in a market?'.
It attempts to measure 'effective competition' by delving into the market share each of the players controls. In other words, a market of 4 players could actually be LESS competitive than a market of just TWO players -depending on their market shares.
As an example, If two players exist in a market and split it equally on a 50:50 basis, that market is more competitive than one with 4 players where the share ratio is say 70:15:10:5.
Tafakari hayo :-)
walu
------------------------------ *From:* Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Admin CampusCiti <info@campusciti.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 25, 2017 6:13 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
@Ngigi
We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation.
Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-)
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
Sent from my iPad
On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin. com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com
"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/5 39546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.h tml <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html>
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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Blessed Wednesday! HHI is a limiting by its market share focus. The industry players form associations which are for their interests even in determining the share for each and overall for their line of business to be profitable or other measures of returns adopted. The potential market potential or demand, needs to be taken into consideration. Have a blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". On Tuesday, 25 April 2017, 19:46, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @Ali, ITU has a simplified way of calculating degree of competition in a specific market segment e.g mobile money market. It has a strange name, the Herfindahl-Hirschman Index (HHI), but it seeks to determine market concentration beyond - 'how many players exists in a market?'. It attempts to measure 'effective competition' by delving into the market share each of the players controls. In other words, a market of 4 players could actually be LESS competitive than a market of just TWO players -depending on their market shares. As an example, If two players exist in a market and split it equally on a 50:50 basis, that market is more competitive than one with 4 players where the share ratio is say 70:15:10:5. Tafakari hayo :-) walu From: Admin CampusCiti via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Admin CampusCiti <info@campusciti.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage @Ngigi We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak' I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation. Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-) Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote: @Ali, My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue. As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm. Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo! On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote: @Ngigi I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-) We have a choice. For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money.2. PesaLink3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money. For Connectivity 1. Orange2. Liquid3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network..4. Surf by Facebook 😜5. Zuku6. JTL As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice. Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia. C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what? YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!) Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services. Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin. com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali, Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk? When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens:1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services.3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline. We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile.... On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Listers This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services. However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask. It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation. Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.c om/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/5 39546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.h tml That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl. Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. 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Ali, Your argument is simplistic and not based on reality. Monopolies exist still. Think of Facebook, Amazon and Google which are practically monopolies in their core markets. Just because these monopolies are due to self re-enforcing factors does change what they are Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. Sidney On 25 Apr 2017 5:51 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ngigi
We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation.
Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-)
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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Sidney So let's take the Facebook, Google and Amazon conversation one step further. 1. Facebook. 1 billion users and counting. There are several countries looking at Facebook for certain violations. I have not heard one of them talking about splitting the company. Ditto with Google, Apple and Microsoft. The bigger you get the bigger the target you become. It's a risk entrepreneurs must take. 2. Google. Dominant in search. However search alone without social has stopped being relevant. From a domination position in search to almost being irrelevant without social in a span of less than 5 years. Android is another story. 85% global market share. However, to an extent it's 'open source' hence why Amazon's version of Android is almost unrecognizable. https://www.howtogeek.com/232973/amazons-fire-os-vs.-googles-android-whats-t... So even here the choice of declaring Android Dominant isn't an open and shut case. 3. Amazon Web Services. Even though it is the 800 Pound Gorilla of Cloud Services it is far from dominant. Here's how it stakes up against the other big players. https://www.channele2e.com/2016/02/04/cloud-market-share-2016-aws-microsoft-... My point is that the whole Tech space is so fluid and moving that using age old dominance and monopoly conversations simply don't cut it anymore.. Ali Hussein +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Get Outlook for iOS _____________________________ From: Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage To: <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com> Ali, Your argument is simplistic and not based on reality. Monopolies exist still. Think of Facebook, Amazon and Google which are practically monopolies in their core markets. Just because these monopolies are due to self re-enforcing factors does change what they are Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. Sidney On 25 Apr 2017 5:51 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @Ngigi We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak' I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation. Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-) Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote: @Ali, My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue. As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm. Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo! On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote: @Ngigi I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-) We have a choice. For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money.2. PesaLink3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money. For Connectivity 1. Orange2. Liquid3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network..4. Surf by Facebook 😜5. Zuku6. JTL As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice. Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia. C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what? YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!) Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services. Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Ali, Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk? When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens:1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services.3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline. We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile.... On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services. However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask. It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation. Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-ne... That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl. Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. 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Ali, I refer you to @Walu's very good example of dominance. It is *NOT* about the Numbers, but *share* of the market. Google has been dominant in search for a long time, and they have been charged variously for *abuse* of that dominance, in both search + android. Dominance of Safaricom in the local market, unless you wear very 'green' tinted lenses is an obvious issue! So called competitors are only there for the show... (Reminds me when Microsoft used to pay competitors to keep them afloat so as to have a semblance of 'competition'.) Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom. Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide! Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT* So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options. Rgds On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sidney
So let's take the Facebook, Google and Amazon conversation one step further.
1. *Facebook*. 1 billion users and counting. There are several countries looking at Facebook for certain violations. I have not heard one of them talking about splitting the company. Ditto with Google, Apple and Microsoft. The bigger you get the bigger the target you become. It's a risk entrepreneurs must take.
2. *Google*. Dominant in search. However search alone without social has stopped being relevant. From a domination position in search to almost being irrelevant without social in a span of less than 5 years. Android is another story. 85% global market share. However, to an extent it's 'open source' hence why Amazon's version of Android is almost unrecognizable.
https://www.howtogeek.com/232973/amazons-fire-os-vs.- googles-android-whats-the-difference/
So even here the choice of declaring Android Dominant isn't an open and shut case.
3. *Amazon Web Services*. Even though it is the 800 Pound Gorilla of Cloud Services it is far from dominant. Here's how it stakes up against the other big players.
https://www.channele2e.com/2016/02/04/cloud-market-share- 2016-aws-microsoft-ibm-google/
My point is that the whole Tech space is so fluid and moving that using age old dominance and monopoly conversations simply don't cut it anymore..
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Get Outlook <https://aka.ms/sdimjr> for iOS _____________________________ From: Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage To: <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com>
Ali, Your argument is simplistic and not based on reality. Monopolies exist still. Think of Facebook, Amazon and Google which are practically monopolies in their core markets. Just because these monopolies are due to self re-enforcing factors does change what they are
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
On 25 Apr 2017 5:51 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ngigi
We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation.
Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-)
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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@Ngigi There are instances legally allowed when obtaining a benefit for the public which outweighs the lessening of competition that would result from a certain practice. Which can losely be translated that as long as the public good has greater weight than a scenario of reduced competition in a market then the regulators may overlook the ill effects of dominance. This was contemplated in the Kenya Information and Communications (Fair Competition and Equality of Treatment ) Regulations, 2010 which created exemptions from the regulations in section 14(c) for a licencee entrusted with the operation of essential communications services e.g national security insofar as the application of the regulations would obstruct the performance of the tasks assigned to the licencee. So in as much as everyone is complaining about a dominant position there are some perks that come with hadling critical infrastructure that must be granted to the licencee handling the said infrastructure for normalcy to be maintained. Things cannot always be fair, especially if it is in public interest as the current ecosystem stands. All that needs to be maintained are the NRRD guidelines which I guess must have been flouted during yesterday's mishap. Regards, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu Advocate-Fintech and ICT Policy On Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
I refer you to @Walu's very good example of dominance. It is *NOT* about the Numbers, but *share* of the market.
Google has been dominant in search for a long time, and they have been charged variously for *abuse* of that dominance, in both search + android.
Dominance of Safaricom in the local market, unless you wear very 'green' tinted lenses is an obvious issue! So called competitors are only there for the show... (Reminds me when Microsoft used to pay competitors to keep them afloat so as to have a semblance of 'competition'.)
Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom.
Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide!
Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT*
So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options.
Rgds
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sidney
So let's take the Facebook, Google and Amazon conversation one step further.
1. *Facebook*. 1 billion users and counting. There are several countries looking at Facebook for certain violations. I have not heard one of them talking about splitting the company. Ditto with Google, Apple and Microsoft. The bigger you get the bigger the target you become. It's a risk entrepreneurs must take.
2. *Google*. Dominant in search. However search alone without social has stopped being relevant. From a domination position in search to almost being irrelevant without social in a span of less than 5 years. Android is another story. 85% global market share. However, to an extent it's 'open source' hence why Amazon's version of Android is almost unrecognizable.
https://www.howtogeek.com/232973/amazons-fire-os-vs.-googles -android-whats-the-difference/
So even here the choice of declaring Android Dominant isn't an open and shut case.
3. *Amazon Web Services*. Even though it is the 800 Pound Gorilla of Cloud Services it is far from dominant. Here's how it stakes up against the other big players.
https://www.channele2e.com/2016/02/04/cloud-market-share-20 16-aws-microsoft-ibm-google/
My point is that the whole Tech space is so fluid and moving that using age old dominance and monopoly conversations simply don't cut it anymore..
Ali Hussein +254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
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Get Outlook <https://aka.ms/sdimjr> for iOS _____________________________ From: Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage To: <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com>
Ali, Your argument is simplistic and not based on reality. Monopolies exist still. Think of Facebook, Amazon and Google which are practically monopolies in their core markets. Just because these monopolies are due to self re-enforcing factors does change what they are
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
On 25 Apr 2017 5:51 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ngigi
We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation.
Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-)
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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The Competition Act read together with KICA would allow for an entity with Significant Market Power to operate without being declared dominant, even though the maths points to dominance. The reality is in as much as there should be equality it is justified for some to be more equal than others! Regards, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu On Apr 25, 2017 11:08 PM, "Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu" <chemukoechk@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
There are instances legally allowed when obtaining a benefit for the public which outweighs the lessening of competition that would result from a certain practice.
Which can losely be translated that as long as the public good has greater weight than a scenario of reduced competition in a market then the regulators may overlook the ill effects of dominance.
This was contemplated in the Kenya Information and Communications (Fair Competition and Equality of Treatment ) Regulations, 2010 which created exemptions from the regulations in section 14(c) for a licencee entrusted with the operation of essential communications services e.g national security insofar as the application of the regulations would obstruct the performance of the tasks assigned to the licencee.
So in as much as everyone is complaining about a dominant position there are some perks that come with hadling critical infrastructure that must be granted to the licencee handling the said infrastructure for normalcy to be maintained.
Things cannot always be fair, especially if it is in public interest as the current ecosystem stands.
All that needs to be maintained are the NRRD guidelines which I guess must have been flouted during yesterday's mishap.
Regards,
Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu Advocate-Fintech and ICT Policy On Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
I refer you to @Walu's very good example of dominance. It is *NOT* about the Numbers, but *share* of the market.
Google has been dominant in search for a long time, and they have been charged variously for *abuse* of that dominance, in both search + android.
Dominance of Safaricom in the local market, unless you wear very 'green' tinted lenses is an obvious issue! So called competitors are only there for the show... (Reminds me when Microsoft used to pay competitors to keep them afloat so as to have a semblance of 'competition'.)
Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom.
Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide!
Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT*
So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options.
Rgds
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sidney
So let's take the Facebook, Google and Amazon conversation one step further.
1. *Facebook*. 1 billion users and counting. There are several countries looking at Facebook for certain violations. I have not heard one of them talking about splitting the company. Ditto with Google, Apple and Microsoft. The bigger you get the bigger the target you become. It's a risk entrepreneurs must take.
2. *Google*. Dominant in search. However search alone without social has stopped being relevant. From a domination position in search to almost being irrelevant without social in a span of less than 5 years. Android is another story. 85% global market share. However, to an extent it's 'open source' hence why Amazon's version of Android is almost unrecognizable.
https://www.howtogeek.com/232973/amazons-fire-os-vs.-googles -android-whats-the-difference/
So even here the choice of declaring Android Dominant isn't an open and shut case.
3. *Amazon Web Services*. Even though it is the 800 Pound Gorilla of Cloud Services it is far from dominant. Here's how it stakes up against the other big players.
https://www.channele2e.com/2016/02/04/cloud-market-share-20 16-aws-microsoft-ibm-google/
My point is that the whole Tech space is so fluid and moving that using age old dominance and monopoly conversations simply don't cut it anymore..
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Get Outlook <https://aka.ms/sdimjr> for iOS _____________________________ From: Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage To: <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com>
Ali, Your argument is simplistic and not based on reality. Monopolies exist still. Think of Facebook, Amazon and Google which are practically monopolies in their core markets. Just because these monopolies are due to self re-enforcing factors does change what they are
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
On 25 Apr 2017 5:51 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ngigi
We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation.
Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-)
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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Blessed Wednesday! Firstly, one of the reasons I "enjoy" this community is that "it is detached from the rest of us Kenyans who live day by day". By adopting that we receive updates via twitter, please remember that the service provider would high chance be speaking to "cliques" only and others privileged to access free or cheap, accessible, high quality internet (options). I am reminded that "if they cannot afford bread, let them buy cake". Yes, this situation has raised two elements that are not a service providers obligation; the need for accountability to consumer education by the regulating bodies (NOT (just) by the service providers) and consumer apathy (that consumers have a responsibility too). My next statement is aware that we may never really know the real reason for the said outage, whether for company privacy or for PR reasons. Secondly, whilst interpreting the implications of the said outage, I am confounded by the place of the INNOVATION PROCESS which runs from ideation, testing and within it testing newer and newer versions. This in turn also brings in FAILURE and at times MASSIVE FAILURES when already in the market with sizeable share or delivering crucial services to the whole population or segments of it as part of the innovation process. What concerns me even more is that this may breed a paralysis to local innovation by generating fear, enhanced regulation and sanctions which deter local innovators.In turn, over opening up to foreign players perhaps tested or well cushioned financially, infrastructure-wise by their nations which have interests in this country or region. Have a blessed day. Regards/Wangari --- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth". On Wednesday, 26 April 2017, 0:02, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: The Competition Act read together with KICA would allow for an entity with Significant Market Power to operate without being declared dominant, even though the maths points to dominance.The reality is in as much as there should be equality it is justified for some to be more equal than others! Regards,Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu On Apr 25, 2017 11:08 PM, "Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu" <chemukoechk@gmail.com> wrote: @NgigiThere are instances legally allowed when obtaining a benefit for the public which outweighs the lessening of competition that would result from a certain practice.Which can losely be translated that as long as the public good has greater weight than a scenario of reduced competition in a market then the regulators may overlook the ill effects of dominance.This was contemplated in the Kenya Information and Communications (Fair Competition and Equality of Treatment ) Regulations, 2010 which created exemptions from the regulations in section 14(c) for a licencee entrusted with the operation of essential communications services e.g national security insofar as the application of the regulations would obstruct the performance of the tasks assigned to the licencee.So in as much as everyone is complaining about a dominant position there are some perks that come with hadling critical infrastructure that must be granted to the licencee handling the said infrastructure for normalcy to be maintained. Things cannot always be fair, especially if it is in public interest as the current ecosystem stands. All that needs to be maintained are the NRRD guidelines which I guess must have been flouted during yesterday's mishap.Regards,Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu Advocate-Fintech and ICT PolicyOn Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali, I refer you to @Walu's very good example of dominance. It is *NOT* about the Numbers, but *share* of the market. Google has been dominant in search for a long time, and they have been charged variously for *abuse* of that dominance, in both search + android. Dominance of Safaricom in the local market, unless you wear very 'green' tinted lenses is an obvious issue! So called competitors are only there for the show... (Reminds me when Microsoft used to pay competitors to keep them afloat so as to have a semblance of 'competition'.) Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom. Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide! Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT* So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options. Rgds On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Sidney So let's take the Facebook, Google and Amazon conversation one step further. 1. Facebook. 1 billion users and counting. There are several countries looking at Facebook for certain violations. I have not heard one of them talking about splitting the company. Ditto with Google, Apple and Microsoft. The bigger you get the bigger the target you become. It's a risk entrepreneurs must take. 2. Google. Dominant in search. However search alone without social has stopped being relevant. From a domination position in search to almost being irrelevant without social in a span of less than 5 years. Android is another story. 85% global market share. However, to an extent it's 'open source' hence why Amazon's version of Android is almost unrecognizable. https://www.howtogeek.com/2329 73/amazons-fire-os-vs.-googles -android-whats-the-difference/ So even here the choice of declaring Android Dominant isn't an open and shut case. 3. Amazon Web Services. Even though it is the 800 Pound Gorilla of Cloud Services it is far from dominant. Here's how it stakes up against the other big players. https://www.channele2e.com/20 16/02/04/cloud-market-share-20 16-aws-microsoft-ibm-google/ My point is that the whole Tech space is so fluid and moving that using age old dominance and monopoly conversations simply don't cut it anymore.. Ali Hussein +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alih kassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Get Outlook for iOS _____________________________ From: Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage To: <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com> Ali, Your argument is simplistic and not based on reality. Monopolies exist still. Think of Facebook, Amazon and Google which are practically monopolies in their core markets. Just because these monopolies are due to self re-enforcing factors does change what they are Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. Sidney On 25 Apr 2017 5:51 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: @Ngigi We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak' I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation. Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-) Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.c om/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote: @Ali, My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue. As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm. Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo! On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote: @Ngigi I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-) We have a choice. For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money.2. PesaLink3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money. For Connectivity 1. Orange2. Liquid3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network..4. Surf by Facebook 😜5. Zuku6. JTL As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice. Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia. C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what? YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!) Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services. Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.c om/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali, Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk? When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens:1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services.3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline. We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile.... On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Listers This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services. However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask. It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation. Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.c om/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/5 39546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.h tml That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl. Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. 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Paul Auster an American Crime fiction writer once said, "We are continually shaped by the forces of coincidence." Could it have been a coincidence that the outage came at the crucial nomination date? Ndemo. On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:38 AM, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Blessed Wednesday!
Firstly, one of the reasons I "enjoy" this community is that "it is detached from the rest of us Kenyans who live day by day". By adopting that we receive updates via twitter, please remember that the service provider would high chance be speaking to "cliques" only and others privileged to access free or cheap, accessible, high quality internet (options). I am reminded that "if they cannot afford bread, let them buy cake".
Yes, this situation has raised two elements that are not a service providers obligation; the need for accountability to consumer education by the regulating bodies (NOT (just) by the service providers) and consumer apathy (that consumers have a responsibility too).
My next statement is aware that we may never really know the real reason for the said outage, whether for company privacy or for PR reasons.
Secondly, whilst interpreting the implications of the said outage, I am confounded by the place of the INNOVATION PROCESS which runs from ideation, testing and within it testing newer and newer versions. This in turn also brings in FAILURE and at times MASSIVE FAILURES when already in the market with sizeable share or delivering crucial services to the whole population or segments of it as part of the innovation process.
What concerns me even more is that this may breed a paralysis to local innovation by generating fear, enhanced regulation and sanctions which deter local innovators. In turn, over opening up to foreign players perhaps tested or well cushioned financially, infrastructure-wise by their nations which have interests in this country or region.
Have a blessed day.
Regards/Wangari
--- Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".
On Wednesday, 26 April 2017, 0:02, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The Competition Act read together with KICA would allow for an entity with Significant Market Power to operate without being declared dominant, even though the maths points to dominance. The reality is in as much as there should be equality it is justified for some to be more equal than others! Regards, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu On Apr 25, 2017 11:08 PM, "Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu" <chemukoechk@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ngigi There are instances legally allowed when obtaining a benefit for the public which outweighs the lessening of competition that would result from a certain practice. Which can losely be translated that as long as the public good has greater weight than a scenario of reduced competition in a market then the regulators may overlook the ill effects of dominance. This was contemplated in the Kenya Information and Communications (Fair Competition and Equality of Treatment ) Regulations, 2010 which created exemptions from the regulations in section 14(c) for a licencee entrusted with the operation of essential communications services e.g national security insofar as the application of the regulations would obstruct the performance of the tasks assigned to the licencee. So in as much as everyone is complaining about a dominant position there are some perks that come with hadling critical infrastructure that must be granted to the licencee handling the said infrastructure for normalcy to be maintained. Things cannot always be fair, especially if it is in public interest as the current ecosystem stands. All that needs to be maintained are the NRRD guidelines which I guess must have been flouted during yesterday's mishap. Regards, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu Advocate-Fintech and ICT Policy On Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Ali,
I refer you to @Walu's very good example of dominance. It is *NOT* about the Numbers, but *share* of the market.
Google has been dominant in search for a long time, and they have been charged variously for *abuse* of that dominance, in both search + android.
Dominance of Safaricom in the local market, unless you wear very 'green' tinted lenses is an obvious issue! So called competitors are only there for the show... (Reminds me when Microsoft used to pay competitors to keep them afloat so as to have a semblance of 'competition'.)
Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom.
Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide!
Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT*
So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options.
Rgds
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Sidney
So let's take the Facebook, Google and Amazon conversation one step further.
1. *Facebook*. 1 billion users and counting. There are several countries looking at Facebook for certain violations. I have not heard one of them talking about splitting the company. Ditto with Google, Apple and Microsoft. The bigger you get the bigger the target you become. It's a risk entrepreneurs must take.
2. *Google*. Dominant in search. However search alone without social has stopped being relevant. From a domination position in search to almost being irrelevant without social in a span of less than 5 years. Android is another story. 85% global market share. However, to an extent it's 'open source' hence why Amazon's version of Android is almost unrecognizable.
https://www.howtogeek.com/2329 73/amazons-fire-os-vs.-googles -android-whats-the-difference/ <https://www.howtogeek.com/232973/amazons-fire-os-vs.-googles-android-whats-the-difference/>
So even here the choice of declaring Android Dominant isn't an open and shut case.
3. *Amazon Web Services*. Even though it is the 800 Pound Gorilla of Cloud Services it is far from dominant. Here's how it stakes up against the other big players.
https://www.channele2e.com/20 16/02/04/cloud-market-share-20 16-aws-microsoft-ibm-google/ <https://www.channele2e.com/2016/02/04/cloud-market-share-2016-aws-microsoft-ibm-google/>
My point is that the whole Tech space is so fluid and moving that using age old dominance and monopoly conversations simply don't cut it anymore..
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Get Outlook <https://aka.ms/sdimjr> for iOS _____________________________ From: Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage To: <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com>
Ali, Your argument is simplistic and not based on reality. Monopolies exist still. Think of Facebook, Amazon and Google which are practically monopolies in their core markets. Just because these monopolies are due to self re-enforcing factors does change what they are
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
On 25 Apr 2017 5:51 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
@Ngigi
We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation.
Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-)
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/5 39546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.h tml <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html>
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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Daktari That's an interesting observation. To take it one step further we need to ask:- Who would have benefited from that 'coincidence'? Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad
On 26 Apr 2017, at 7:43 AM, Bitange Ndemo via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Paul Auster an American Crime fiction writer once said, "We are continually shaped by the forces of coincidence." Could it have been a coincidence that the outage came at the crucial nomination date?
Ndemo.
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:38 AM, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Blessed Wednesday!
Firstly, one of the reasons I "enjoy" this community is that "it is detached from the rest of us Kenyans who live day by day". By adopting that we receive updates via twitter, please remember that the service provider would high chance be speaking to "cliques" only and others privileged to access free or cheap, accessible, high quality internet (options). I am reminded that "if they cannot afford bread, let them buy cake".
Yes, this situation has raised two elements that are not a service providers obligation; the need for accountability to consumer education by the regulating bodies (NOT (just) by the service providers) and consumer apathy (that consumers have a responsibility too).
My next statement is aware that we may never really know the real reason for the said outage, whether for company privacy or for PR reasons.
Secondly, whilst interpreting the implications of the said outage, I am confounded by the place of the INNOVATION PROCESS which runs from ideation, testing and within it testing newer and newer versions. This in turn also brings in FAILURE and at times MASSIVE FAILURES when already in the market with sizeable share or delivering crucial services to the whole population or segments of it as part of the innovation process.
What concerns me even more is that this may breed a paralysis to local innovation by generating fear, enhanced regulation and sanctions which deter local innovators. In turn, over opening up to foreign players perhaps tested or well cushioned financially, infrastructure-wise by their nations which have interests in this country or region.
Have a blessed day.
Regards/Wangari
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On Wednesday, 26 April 2017, 0:02, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The Competition Act read together with KICA would allow for an entity with Significant Market Power to operate without being declared dominant, even though the maths points to dominance. The reality is in as much as there should be equality it is justified for some to be more equal than others! Regards, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu On Apr 25, 2017 11:08 PM, "Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu" <chemukoechk@gmail.com> wrote: @Ngigi There are instances legally allowed when obtaining a benefit for the public which outweighs the lessening of competition that would result from a certain practice. Which can losely be translated that as long as the public good has greater weight than a scenario of reduced competition in a market then the regulators may overlook the ill effects of dominance. This was contemplated in the Kenya Information and Communications (Fair Competition and Equality of Treatment ) Regulations, 2010 which created exemptions from the regulations in section 14(c) for a licencee entrusted with the operation of essential communications services e.g national security insofar as the application of the regulations would obstruct the performance of the tasks assigned to the licencee. So in as much as everyone is complaining about a dominant position there are some perks that come with hadling critical infrastructure that must be granted to the licencee handling the said infrastructure for normalcy to be maintained. Things cannot always be fair, especially if it is in public interest as the current ecosystem stands. All that needs to be maintained are the NRRD guidelines which I guess must have been flouted during yesterday's mishap. Regards, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu Advocate-Fintech and ICT Policy On Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali,
I refer you to @Walu's very good example of dominance. It is *NOT* about the Numbers, but *share* of the market.
Google has been dominant in search for a long time, and they have been charged variously for *abuse* of that dominance, in both search + android.
Dominance of Safaricom in the local market, unless you wear very 'green' tinted lenses is an obvious issue! So called competitors are only there for the show... (Reminds me when Microsoft used to pay competitors to keep them afloat so as to have a semblance of 'competition'.)
Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom.
Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide!
Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT*
So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options.
Rgds
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Sidney
So let's take the Facebook, Google and Amazon conversation one step further.
1. Facebook. 1 billion users and counting. There are several countries looking at Facebook for certain violations. I have not heard one of them talking about splitting the company. Ditto with Google, Apple and Microsoft. The bigger you get the bigger the target you become. It's a risk entrepreneurs must take.
2. Google. Dominant in search. However search alone without social has stopped being relevant. From a domination position in search to almost being irrelevant without social in a span of less than 5 years. Android is another story. 85% global market share. However, to an extent it's 'open source' hence why Amazon's version of Android is almost unrecognizable.
https://www.howtogeek.com/2329 73/amazons-fire-os-vs.-googles -android-whats-the-difference/
So even here the choice of declaring Android Dominant isn't an open and shut case.
3. Amazon Web Services. Even though it is the 800 Pound Gorilla of Cloud Services it is far from dominant. Here's how it stakes up against the other big players.
https://www.channele2e.com/20 16/02/04/cloud-market-share-20 16-aws-microsoft-ibm-google/
My point is that the whole Tech space is so fluid and moving that using age old dominance and monopoly conversations simply don't cut it anymore..
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Get Outlook for iOS _____________________________ From: Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage To: <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com>
Ali, Your argument is simplistic and not based on reality. Monopolies exist still. Think of Facebook, Amazon and Google which are practically monopolies in their core markets. Just because these monopolies are due to self re-enforcing factors does change what they are
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On 25 Apr 2017 5:51 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: @Ngigi
We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation.
Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-)
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote: @Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/5 39546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.h tml
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
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I came across this the day before the blackout. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/opinion/sunday/is-it-time-to-break-up-google.html?_r=1&referer=https://t.co/RW3L5jKtfU On Apr 25, 2017 23:52, "Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The Competition Act read together with KICA would allow for an entity with Significant Market Power to operate without being declared dominant, even though the maths points to dominance.
The reality is in as much as there should be equality it is justified for some to be more equal than others!
Regards,
Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu On Apr 25, 2017 11:08 PM, "Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu" <chemukoechk@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
There are instances legally allowed when obtaining a benefit for the public which outweighs the lessening of competition that would result from a certain practice.
Which can losely be translated that as long as the public good has greater weight than a scenario of reduced competition in a market then the regulators may overlook the ill effects of dominance.
This was contemplated in the Kenya Information and Communications (Fair Competition and Equality of Treatment ) Regulations, 2010 which created exemptions from the regulations in section 14(c) for a licencee entrusted with the operation of essential communications services e.g national security insofar as the application of the regulations would obstruct the performance of the tasks assigned to the licencee.
So in as much as everyone is complaining about a dominant position there are some perks that come with hadling critical infrastructure that must be granted to the licencee handling the said infrastructure for normalcy to be maintained.
Things cannot always be fair, especially if it is in public interest as the current ecosystem stands.
All that needs to be maintained are the NRRD guidelines which I guess must have been flouted during yesterday's mishap.
Regards,
Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu Advocate-Fintech and ICT Policy On Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
I refer you to @Walu's very good example of dominance. It is *NOT* about the Numbers, but *share* of the market.
Google has been dominant in search for a long time, and they have been charged variously for *abuse* of that dominance, in both search + android.
Dominance of Safaricom in the local market, unless you wear very 'green' tinted lenses is an obvious issue! So called competitors are only there for the show... (Reminds me when Microsoft used to pay competitors to keep them afloat so as to have a semblance of 'competition'.)
Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom.
Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide!
Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT*
So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options.
Rgds
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sidney
So let's take the Facebook, Google and Amazon conversation one step further.
1. *Facebook*. 1 billion users and counting. There are several countries looking at Facebook for certain violations. I have not heard one of them talking about splitting the company. Ditto with Google, Apple and Microsoft. The bigger you get the bigger the target you become. It's a risk entrepreneurs must take.
2. *Google*. Dominant in search. However search alone without social has stopped being relevant. From a domination position in search to almost being irrelevant without social in a span of less than 5 years. Android is another story. 85% global market share. However, to an extent it's 'open source' hence why Amazon's version of Android is almost unrecognizable.
https://www.howtogeek.com/232973/amazons-fire-os-vs.-googles -android-whats-the-difference/
So even here the choice of declaring Android Dominant isn't an open and shut case.
3. *Amazon Web Services*. Even though it is the 800 Pound Gorilla of Cloud Services it is far from dominant. Here's how it stakes up against the other big players.
https://www.channele2e.com/2016/02/04/cloud-market-share-20 16-aws-microsoft-ibm-google/
My point is that the whole Tech space is so fluid and moving that using age old dominance and monopoly conversations simply don't cut it anymore..
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Ali, Your argument is simplistic and not based on reality. Monopolies exist still. Think of Facebook, Amazon and Google which are practically monopolies in their core markets. Just because these monopolies are due to self re-enforcing factors does change what they are
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
On 25 Apr 2017 5:51 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ngigi
We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation.
Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-)
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Listers > > This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, > the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the > fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that > they are working on restoring full services. > > However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are > seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and > more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today > morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to > update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask. > > It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total > openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation. > > *Ali Hussein* > *Hussein & Associates* > +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> > > Blog: www.alyhussein.com > > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and > thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi > > Sent from my iPad > > On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage > > http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s > anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html > > That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and > must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom > says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the > country slows to a crawl. > > Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. > > Sidney > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m > ailman/options/kictanet/info%40campusciti.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m > ailman/options/kictanet/ngigi%40at.co.ke > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/
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Rosemary, There is *NO* benefit to the public when you fail to do proper risk management, if anything it's the contrary. Rgds On 25 Apr 2017 11:09 p.m., "Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu" <chemukoechk@gmail.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
There are instances legally allowed when obtaining a benefit for the public which outweighs the lessening of competition that would result from a certain practice.
Which can losely be translated that as long as the public good has greater weight than a scenario of reduced competition in a market then the regulators may overlook the ill effects of dominance.
This was contemplated in the Kenya Information and Communications (Fair Competition and Equality of Treatment ) Regulations, 2010 which created exemptions from the regulations in section 14(c) for a licencee entrusted with the operation of essential communications services e.g national security insofar as the application of the regulations would obstruct the performance of the tasks assigned to the licencee.
So in as much as everyone is complaining about a dominant position there are some perks that come with hadling critical infrastructure that must be granted to the licencee handling the said infrastructure for normalcy to be maintained.
Things cannot always be fair, especially if it is in public interest as the current ecosystem stands.
All that needs to be maintained are the NRRD guidelines which I guess must have been flouted during yesterday's mishap.
Regards,
Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu Advocate-Fintech and ICT Policy On Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
I refer you to @Walu's very good example of dominance. It is *NOT* about the Numbers, but *share* of the market.
Google has been dominant in search for a long time, and they have been charged variously for *abuse* of that dominance, in both search + android.
Dominance of Safaricom in the local market, unless you wear very 'green' tinted lenses is an obvious issue! So called competitors are only there for the show... (Reminds me when Microsoft used to pay competitors to keep them afloat so as to have a semblance of 'competition'.)
Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom.
Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide!
Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT*
So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options.
Rgds
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Sidney
So let's take the Facebook, Google and Amazon conversation one step further.
1. *Facebook*. 1 billion users and counting. There are several countries looking at Facebook for certain violations. I have not heard one of them talking about splitting the company. Ditto with Google, Apple and Microsoft. The bigger you get the bigger the target you become. It's a risk entrepreneurs must take.
2. *Google*. Dominant in search. However search alone without social has stopped being relevant. From a domination position in search to almost being irrelevant without social in a span of less than 5 years. Android is another story. 85% global market share. However, to an extent it's 'open source' hence why Amazon's version of Android is almost unrecognizable.
https://www.howtogeek.com/232973/amazons-fire-os-vs.-googles -android-whats-the-difference/
So even here the choice of declaring Android Dominant isn't an open and shut case.
3. *Amazon Web Services*. Even though it is the 800 Pound Gorilla of Cloud Services it is far from dominant. Here's how it stakes up against the other big players.
https://www.channele2e.com/2016/02/04/cloud-market-share-20 16-aws-microsoft-ibm-google/
My point is that the whole Tech space is so fluid and moving that using age old dominance and monopoly conversations simply don't cut it anymore..
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Ali, Your argument is simplistic and not based on reality. Monopolies exist still. Think of Facebook, Amazon and Google which are practically monopolies in their core markets. Just because these monopolies are due to self re-enforcing factors does change what they are
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
On 25 Apr 2017 5:51 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ngigi
We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation.
Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-)
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote:
@Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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Ngigi Your arguments are misplaced. :-) The only thing I agree with you on is that we need a more proactive Regulator. On Microsoft - The 'dominance' was taken care of by the the Market - by it shifting entirely from WinTel (read Desktop computing) to predominantly cloud and mobile based communication. On Google. I have explained in my earlier email why what Regulators failed to achieve the market is achieving. However, here I must agree that a good mix of market dynamics and timely regulatory interventions is keeping the Googles and Facebooks of this world in check as regards to abuses - perceived or otherwise. On critical infrastructure. My comments are as follows:- 1. As a country what do we consider critical infrastructure. Please bear with me here. Why do we for example continue to speak about assets of private/NSE quoted companies as 'our' critical infrastructure while we do not speak or interrogate with the same vigor public owned infrastructure like NOFBI? Someone help me here. 2. We have a critical infrastructure bill which I think this list needs to look at in depth if we haven't already. 3. Lastly we need to up our game on consumer protection. I'm not sure there's a bonafide Organization in this country that handles this issue in a impartial manner. This will supplement the regulatory powers and keep in check any abuse of market position by any player. Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 25 Apr 2017, at 9:15 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
I refer you to @Walu's very good example of dominance. It is *NOT* about the Numbers, but *share* of the market.
Google has been dominant in search for a long time, and they have been charged variously for *abuse* of that dominance, in both search + android.
Dominance of Safaricom in the local market, unless you wear very 'green' tinted lenses is an obvious issue! So called competitors are only there for the show... (Reminds me when Microsoft used to pay competitors to keep them afloat so as to have a semblance of 'competition'.)
Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom.
Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide!
Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT*
So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options.
Rgds
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Sidney
So let's take the Facebook, Google and Amazon conversation one step further.
1. Facebook. 1 billion users and counting. There are several countries looking at Facebook for certain violations. I have not heard one of them talking about splitting the company. Ditto with Google, Apple and Microsoft. The bigger you get the bigger the target you become. It's a risk entrepreneurs must take.
2. Google. Dominant in search. However search alone without social has stopped being relevant. From a domination position in search to almost being irrelevant without social in a span of less than 5 years. Android is another story. 85% global market share. However, to an extent it's 'open source' hence why Amazon's version of Android is almost unrecognizable.
https://www.howtogeek.com/232973/amazons-fire-os-vs.-googles-android-whats-t...
So even here the choice of declaring Android Dominant isn't an open and shut case.
3. Amazon Web Services. Even though it is the 800 Pound Gorilla of Cloud Services it is far from dominant. Here's how it stakes up against the other big players.
https://www.channele2e.com/2016/02/04/cloud-market-share-2016-aws-microsoft-...
My point is that the whole Tech space is so fluid and moving that using age old dominance and monopoly conversations simply don't cut it anymore..
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Get Outlook for iOS _____________________________ From: Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage To: <ali@hussein.me.ke> Cc: Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com>
Ali, Your argument is simplistic and not based on reality. Monopolies exist still. Think of Facebook, Amazon and Google which are practically monopolies in their core markets. Just because these monopolies are due to self re-enforcing factors does change what they are
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
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On 25 Apr 2017 5:51 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @Ngigi
We have ourselves to blame. Or competitors for being 'weak'
I'm simply not for the idea of 'rectifying' so called 'Market Failure' with the heavy hand of regulation.
Dominance/Monopolies are a thing of the past. It maybe simplifying an issue but let's face it. Even with Mpesa being so dominant 90+% of our transactions in this country are still cash based. So where's the Dominance? :-)
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 5:39 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
@Ali,
My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue.
As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm.
Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo!
On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote: @Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-ne...
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
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@Ngigi, Well noted. @Ali NOFBI is a good reason to invest further in Telkom Kenya. http://icta.go.ke/national-optic-fibre-backbone-nofbi/ It is a governance/political issue here, not a market issue. Fortunately for Kenya, we have a CS who understands markets, investors and now governance. NSE listed firms are collapsing because corruption networks prioritize dishonest gain over service delivery (which includes building up Kenyan talent/firms). Asset recovery will occur if/when our Security & Judiciary officials resist loot offered to them. http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/04/25/ted-cruz-calls-14-billion-seized-e... Some of these funds could be utilized to build up NOFBI (network infrastructure) and communication channels (radio, text, portals, etc) to engage citizenry in a civil (non political) manner on day to day issues such as security, extortion, careless driving, etc. On Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom. Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide! Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT* So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options.
I think we are missing the point if we do not look at what impact this "dominant" business is all about. I would posit that: a) There is / should be nothing wrong with being a dominant player. It is a state one can exist in by virtue of their sheer scale, and one should not be punished for being dominant. b) The real problem here would be ABUSE of dominant position. Abuse should also be clearly defined, I believe creating an atmosphere of growth of one's competition should never be the responsibility of the dominant player. As long as they act within agreed rules of engagement. I still need to see anchoring legislation defining and supporting market dominance, and the impact of one being declared as such. I would love to, for instance understand if KPLC, a listed company, making profit for shareholders is also listed as dominant. On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ngigi, Well noted.
@Ali NOFBI is a good reason to invest further in Telkom Kenya.
http://icta.go.ke/national-optic-fibre-backbone-nofbi/
It is a governance/political issue here, not a market issue.
Fortunately for Kenya, we have a CS who understands markets, investors and now governance.
NSE listed firms are collapsing because corruption networks prioritize dishonest gain over service delivery (which includes building up Kenyan talent/firms).
Asset recovery will occur if/when our Security & Judiciary officials resist loot offered to them.
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/04/25/ted-cruz- calls-14-billion-seized-el-chapo-fund-border-wall/
Some of these funds could be utilized to build up NOFBI (network infrastructure) and communication channels (radio, text, portals, etc) to engage citizenry in a civil (non political) manner on day to day issues such as security, extortion, careless driving, etc.
On Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom.
Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide!
Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT*
So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options.
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@Areba, Agreed with Point (a). No one should be punished for being dominant, unless they abuse the dominance.Agreed with Point (b). Abuse of dominance is already defined in KICA laws and CA regulations (just google :-) As for Kenya Power (& Darkness?), they are a legal distribution monopoly, though there has been attempts to change this. More like what we had during the Kenya Posts & Telcoms days. I think what Ngigi and I have tried to do but failed miserably, is to try and raise the conversation above 'bashing' or 'protecting' Safcom. That really is not the point. The point is that as a country we have a single-point of failure, when it comes to mobile money or internet services (yes there are options, but not effective options in terms of geographic reach & depth, as well as social scope and scale). We can chose to pray and hope that the single point of failure, never fails; or we can play the devil's advocate and think about what Kenyans will do, when and if the single point failure does fail - as it did recently. It's called risk-management at a national level. It is an agenda that perhaps the National Security Council should be having. Not small timers like me, Ngigi, Ali, Areba et al :-) walu.nb: am not closing the debate, I am just saying lets look at it from a macro rather than a micro level. From: Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage I think we are missing the point if we do not look at what impact this "dominant" business is all about. I would posit that: a) There is / should be nothing wrong with being a dominant player. It is a state one can exist in by virtue of their sheer scale, and one should not be punished for being dominant. b) The real problem here would be ABUSE of dominant position. Abuse should also be clearly defined, I believe creating an atmosphere of growth of one's competition should never be the responsibility of the dominant player. As long as they act within agreed rules of engagement. I still need to see anchoring legislation defining and supporting market dominance, and the impact of one being declared as such. I would love to, for instance understand if KPLC, a listed company, making profit for shareholders is also listed as dominant. On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @Ngigi, Well noted. @Ali NOFBI is a good reason to invest further in Telkom Kenya. http://icta.go.ke/national- optic-fibre-backbone-nofbi/ It is a governance/political issue here, not a market issue. Fortunately for Kenya, we have a CS who understands markets, investors and now governance. NSE listed firms are collapsing because corruption networks prioritize dishonest gain over service delivery (which includes building up Kenyan talent/firms). Asset recovery will occur if/when our Security & Judiciary officials resist loot offered to them. http://www.breitbart.com/ texas/2017/04/25/ted-cruz- calls-14-billion-seized-el- chapo-fund-border-wall/ Some of these funds could be utilized to build up NOFBI (network infrastructure) and communication channels (radio, text, portals, etc) to engage citizenry in a civil (non political) manner on day to day issues such as security, extortion, careless driving, etc. On Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom. Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide! Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT* So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options. ______________________________ _________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/ arebacollins%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Walu,Just to paraphrase what you have said.A "catastrophic network failure" as that which occurred a few days ago is not an issue of "small timers" to quote you.It is a fundamental "National Security" matter and should be treated as such.The rest are details. John Kariuki From: Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: kariuki_JN@yahoo.com Cc: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage-its a risk management issue @Areba, Agreed with Point (a). No one should be punished for being dominant, unless they abuse the dominance.Agreed with Point (b). Abuse of dominance is already defined in KICA laws and CA regulations (just google :-) As for Kenya Power (& Darkness?), they are a legal distribution monopoly, though there has been attempts to change this. More like what we had during the Kenya Posts & Telcoms days. I think what Ngigi and I have tried to do but failed miserably, is to try and raise the conversation above 'bashing' or 'protecting' Safcom. That really is not the point. The point is that as a country we have a single-point of failure, when it comes to mobile money or internet services (yes there are options, but not effective options in terms of geographic reach & depth, as well as social scope and scale). We can chose to pray and hope that the single point of failure, never fails; or we can play the devil's advocate and think about what Kenyans will do, when and if the single point failure does fail - as it did recently. It's called risk-management at a national level. It is an agenda that perhaps the National Security Council should be having. Not small timers like me, Ngigi, Ali, Areba et al :-) walu.nb: am not closing the debate, I am just saying lets look at it from a macro rather than a micro level. From: Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage I think we are missing the point if we do not look at what impact this "dominant" business is all about. I would posit that: a) There is / should be nothing wrong with being a dominant player. It is a state one can exist in by virtue of their sheer scale, and one should not be punished for being dominant. b) The real problem here would be ABUSE of dominant position. Abuse should also be clearly defined, I believe creating an atmosphere of growth of one's competition should never be the responsibility of the dominant player. As long as they act within agreed rules of engagement. I still need to see anchoring legislation defining and supporting market dominance, and the impact of one being declared as such. I would love to, for instance understand if KPLC, a listed company, making profit for shareholders is also listed as dominant. On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @Ngigi, Well noted. @Ali NOFBI is a good reason to invest further in Telkom Kenya. http://icta.go.ke/national- optic-fibre-backbone-nofbi/ It is a governance/political issue here, not a market issue. Fortunately for Kenya, we have a CS who understands markets, investors and now governance. NSE listed firms are collapsing because corruption networks prioritize dishonest gain over service delivery (which includes building up Kenyan talent/firms). Asset recovery will occur if/when our Security & Judiciary officials resist loot offered to them. http://www.breitbart.com/ texas/2017/04/25/ted-cruz- calls-14-billion-seized-el- chapo-fund-border-wall/ Some of these funds could be utilized to build up NOFBI (network infrastructure) and communication channels (radio, text, portals, etc) to engage citizenry in a civil (non political) manner on day to day issues such as security, extortion, careless driving, etc. On Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom. Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide! Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT* So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options. ______________________________ _________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/ arebacollins%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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@Eng. Kariuki2, Kua mpole....: -) was trying to be polite. Walu. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 at 20:12, John Kariuki<kariuki_jn@yahoo.com> wrote: Walu,Just to paraphrase what you have said.A "catastrophic network failure" as that which occurred a few days ago is not an issue of "small timers" to quote you.It is a fundamental "National Security" matter and should be treated as such.The rest are details. John Kariuki From: Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: kariuki_JN@yahoo.com Cc: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage-its a risk management issue @Areba, Agreed with Point (a). No one should be punished for being dominant, unless they abuse the dominance.Agreed with Point (b). Abuse of dominance is already defined in KICA laws and CA regulations (just google :-) As for Kenya Power (& Darkness?), they are a legal distribution monopoly, though there has been attempts to change this. More like what we had during the Kenya Posts & Telcoms days. I think what Ngigi and I have tried to do but failed miserably, is to try and raise the conversation above 'bashing' or 'protecting' Safcom. That really is not the point. The point is that as a country we have a single-point of failure, when it comes to mobile money or internet services (yes there are options, but not effective options in terms of geographic reach & depth, as well as social scope and scale). We can chose to pray and hope that the single point of failure, never fails; or we can play the devil's advocate and think about what Kenyans will do, when and if the single point failure does fail - as it did recently. It's called risk-management at a national level. It is an agenda that perhaps the National Security Council should be having. Not small timers like me, Ngigi, Ali, Areba et al :-) walu.nb: am not closing the debate, I am just saying lets look at it from a macro rather than a micro level. From: Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage I think we are missing the point if we do not look at what impact this "dominant" business is all about. I would posit that: a) There is / should be nothing wrong with being a dominant player. It is a state one can exist in by virtue of their sheer scale, and one should not be punished for being dominant. b) The real problem here would be ABUSE of dominant position. Abuse should also be clearly defined, I believe creating an atmosphere of growth of one's competition should never be the responsibility of the dominant player. As long as they act within agreed rules of engagement. I still need to see anchoring legislation defining and supporting market dominance, and the impact of one being declared as such. I would love to, for instance understand if KPLC, a listed company, making profit for shareholders is also listed as dominant. On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: @Ngigi, Well noted. @Ali NOFBI is a good reason to invest further in Telkom Kenya. http://icta.go.ke/national- optic-fibre-backbone-nofbi/ It is a governance/political issue here, not a market issue. Fortunately for Kenya, we have a CS who understands markets, investors and now governance. NSE listed firms are collapsing because corruption networks prioritize dishonest gain over service delivery (which includes building up Kenyan talent/firms). Asset recovery will occur if/when our Security & Judiciary officials resist loot offered to them. http://www.breitbart.com/ texas/2017/04/25/ted-cruz- calls-14-billion-seized-el- chapo-fund-border-wall/ Some of these funds could be utilized to build up NOFBI (network infrastructure) and communication channels (radio, text, portals, etc) to engage citizenry in a civil (non political) manner on day to day issues such as security, extortion, careless driving, etc. On Apr 25, 2017 9:17 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Now, the big issue is that Safaricom rans a very large part of our country's 'core' infrastructure and it would be *very irresponsible* of the regulators to sit back, looking at the scraps of 'competition' as a healthy industry and hope against hope that nothing evil would befall Safaricom. Even Safaricom themselves have a policy of buying their core equipment from at least *TWO* separate vendors , regardless of how good a deal one vendor could give them in total. They don''t leave it to the market to decide! Its called *RISK MANAGEMENT* So, if they can do that for their own equipment, it is only prudent that we as a country also have proper risk management in our core services. It is *NOT* a question of splitting the firm, but ensuring, by whatever means necessary, that we have at least 3 credible options. ______________________________ _________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/ arebacollins%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Am with Ngigi on this....I was actually the prophet of doom two years ago when I claimed that social disorder can occur in the unlikely event MPESA goes down. Have a read.. WALUBENGO : Splitting Safaricom changes little for static | | WALUBENGO : Splitting Safaricom changes... | | A year later, I proposed a solution @ http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/2274560-2633404-arnbtdz/in... And when the regulator ignored me and chose a consultant to come up with a solution (which happens when you dont charge :-), I made a follow up with a critique @ http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/2274560-3831640-76ukg5/ind... Problem in Africa, is that nobody listens to its scholars. And so one, two years from now, I am confident we shall be discussing this very issue. I rest my case. walu. ---------From: Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage @Ali, My concern is between now and when the so called 'market' takes care of this issue. As we have seen yesterday, We are one hack away from the entire country being taken down almost completely by the failure of a single firm. Twendeleeni vivyo hivyo! On 25 Apr 2017 5:24 p.m., "Admin CampusCiti" <info@campusciti.com> wrote: @Ngigi I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-) We have a choice. For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money.2. PesaLink3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money. For Connectivity 1. Orange2. Liquid3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network..4. Surf by Facebook 😜5. Zuku6. JTL As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice. Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia. C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what? YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!) Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services. Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin. com/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali, Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk? When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens:1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services.3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline. We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile.... On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Listers This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services. However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask. It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation. Ali HusseinHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.c om/in/alihkassimBlog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/5 39546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.h tml That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl. Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. 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The argument by Ali assumes that ALL Kenyans are like him. Very narrow view, which doesn't consider the BIG picture. On 25 April 2017 at 17:24, Admin CampusCiti via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Ngigi
I'm with Tom on this one. I actually don't see how the Dominance conversation has crept into this discussion :-)
We have a choice.
For Mpesa 1. Airtel Money. 2. PesaLink 3. MULA - I actually now use Mula for all my bill payments. It's just super useful. Even the Safaricom App that's been launched doesn't hold a candle to Mula. 4. Orange money.
For Connectivity 1. Orange 2. Liquid 3. Airtel (by the way there are other parts of this country like Kilifi for example that Airtel has a far better network.. 4. Surf by Facebook 😜 5. Zuku 6. JTL
As Kenyans we simply cannot go back to having this Dominance conversation since we are in a free market and there is choice.
Vote with your wallet, like I have. Safaricom will continue to improve or it will become irrelevant. Think Microsoft, Think Compac, Think Kodak , Think Nokia.
C'mon guys..The market will take care of this issue. And guess what?
YOU ARE THE MARKET (Chukua control wewe mwenyewe!!)
Don't punish Safaricom for weakness in competitors and your own 'laziness' :-) to choose a different service provider if you are unhappy with current services.
*Ali Hussein* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
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Sent from my iPad
On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
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No need to penalize Safaricom. Better to invest in more in Telkom Kenya where go.ke is also a major shareholder. More go.ke (including police) communications, payments, etc, should also routed via Telkom Kenya. We know how it has gone in the past with Anglo Leasing type of disasters depriving our society of proper communication channels with State departments (including our security apparatus). Try finding online + calling the telephone number of the police station closest to you. On Apr 25, 2017 10:44 AM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline. We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
And Ngigi... Who do you think will give out this so called 'Market Share'? :-) To quote you:- "...At least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share.." Market share is simply not dished out.. :-) You fight for it bro.. You snooze..You loose.. Ali Hussein Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 25 Apr 2017, at 10:43 AM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Ali,
Do you now see the wisdom of declaring Safaricom dominant and at least getting 2-3 other players with a sizeable market share to spread the risk?
When Safcom goes down and it will inevitably will at times, the following happens: 1. 80% of the country citizens are without communication 2. 80% of the country's citizens are without access to money & banking services. 3. 100% of the police security & communication system is offline.
We put all our country's eggs in that one basket... and the basket is bound to drop once in awhile....
On 25 Apr 2017 9:35 a.m., "Admin CampusCiti via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers
This issue continues to have serious ramifications. Yesterday Bob, the CEO, made a very impassioned statement on the downtime. I liked the fact that he said there's no excuse for such a thing to happen and that they are working on restoring full services.
However, I think Bob's statement simply didn't go far enough. We are seeing a different Safaricom - one that seems attuned to the customer and more open that's why I'm disappointed that Mpesa is still down today morning and we have had nothing from Safaricom. A simple use of SMS to update us on an hourly basis is not too much to ask.
It's clear that Safaricom is now so embedded in our lives that total openness is not only a must it's a Business Continuity Conversation.
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On 24 Apr 2017, at 11:18 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-ne...
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
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Nobody is more "dominant" than Kenya Power and yet the firm goes scot free on a daily basis while making monster profits. Safaricom is not our only choice, so it is up to us consumers to "vote" with our wallets. Tom Sitati | Architect + Brand Strategist On Apr 24, 2017 11:19 PM, "Sidney Ochieng via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face- sanctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl. Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. Sidney _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/tsitati%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Tom, We allowed Kenya Power to have that position simply by their monopoly status and refusing to check mediocrity. With Safaricom we're lucky in that we do have a choice but that choice is made more difficult by structural issues that declaring them dominant might be able to address. It's easy to say vote with your wallet when you're in Nairobi but if the network that works in your village is Safaricom and the nearest mpesa is 10 mins away but you don't even know where Airtel money can be found this is a problem. Safaricom's dominance is self re-enforcing and I think we need to deal with it now. Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. Sidney On 25 Apr 2017 1:43 p.m., "TOM SITATI" <tsitati@gmail.com> wrote:
Nobody is more "dominant" than Kenya Power and yet the firm goes scot free on a daily basis while making monster profits.
Safaricom is not our only choice, so it is up to us consumers to "vote" with our wallets.
Tom Sitati | Architect + Brand Strategist
On Apr 24, 2017 11:19 PM, "Sidney Ochieng via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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+1 On 25 April 2017 at 14:00, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Tom, We allowed Kenya Power to have that position simply by their monopoly status and refusing to check mediocrity.
With Safaricom we're lucky in that we do have a choice but that choice is made more difficult by structural issues that declaring them dominant might be able to address.
It's easy to say vote with your wallet when you're in Nairobi but if the network that works in your village is Safaricom and the nearest mpesa is 10 mins away but you don't even know where Airtel money can be found this is a problem.
Safaricom's dominance is self re-enforcing and I think we need to deal with it now.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
On 25 Apr 2017 1:43 p.m., "TOM SITATI" <tsitati@gmail.com> wrote:
Nobody is more "dominant" than Kenya Power and yet the firm goes scot free on a daily basis while making monster profits.
Safaricom is not our only choice, so it is up to us consumers to "vote" with our wallets.
Tom Sitati | Architect + Brand Strategist
On Apr 24, 2017 11:19 PM, "Sidney Ochieng via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-s anctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I agree; consumers have a choice in the Safaricom matter and must start re-examining their options. We passed a Consumer Protection law; now is the time to test its mettle as far as monopolies and customer experience go. Kind rgds,Helen AmbasaDirector/Legal Services & Company Secretary USIU Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 13:44, TOM SITATI via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Nobody is more "dominant" than Kenya Power and yet the firm goes scot free on a daily basis while making monster profits. Safaricom is not our only choice, so it is up to us consumers to "vote" with our wallets. Tom Sitati | Architect + Brand Strategist On Apr 24, 2017 11:19 PM, "Sidney Ochieng via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face- sanctions-over-network-outage/ 539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index. html That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl. Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos. Sidney ______________________________ _________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/ tsitati%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/paulineambasa%40yahoo.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Pardon my Ignorance but, Someone please educate me on what it means to declare Safaricom Dominant. What then happens? what does it mean for everyone? On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Pauline Ambasa via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree; consumers have a choice in the Safaricom matter and must start re-examining their options. We passed a Consumer Protection law; now is the time to test its mettle as far as monopolies and customer experience go.
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On Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 13:44, TOM SITATI via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Nobody is more "dominant" than Kenya Power and yet the firm goes scot free on a daily basis while making monster profits.
Safaricom is not our only choice, so it is up to us consumers to "vote" with our wallets.
Tom Sitati | Architect + Brand Strategist
On Apr 24, 2017 11:19 PM, "Sidney Ochieng via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face- sanctions-over-network-outage/ 539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index. html <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html>
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
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Hi Collins, In a nutshell if an operator is declared dominant it will basically have almost all its actions and conduct under lose scrutiny in regard to:- -its pricing -promotions and campaigns -opening up its infrastructure for sharing(site sharing, national roaming, spectrum sharing) The main reason for the above is deterring the dominant player from engaging in anti-competitive practices which lessen effective competition in the market. If you think about it practically it's having to operate under an overly scrutinized ecosystem so that the other smaller players are given a chance to thrive. All the above carried out by the two relevant authorities here, the Competition Authority of Kenya and the Communication Authority. Regards, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu Advocate- Fintech and ICT Policy On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Pardon my Ignorance but, Someone please educate me on what it means to declare Safaricom Dominant. What then happens? what does it mean for everyone?
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Pauline Ambasa via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree; consumers have a choice in the Safaricom matter and must start re-examining their options. We passed a Consumer Protection law; now is the time to test its mettle as far as monopolies and customer experience go.
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On Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 13:44, TOM SITATI via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Nobody is more "dominant" than Kenya Power and yet the firm goes scot free on a daily basis while making monster profits.
Safaricom is not our only choice, so it is up to us consumers to "vote" with our wallets.
Tom Sitati | Architect + Brand Strategist
On Apr 24, 2017 11:19 PM, "Sidney Ochieng via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
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That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
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Thanks Rosemary. I am actually conflicted on this. On one hand, Safaricom has done a fairly good job of lobbying and doing everything one can do to be competitive, on the other hand, there are worrying concerns, especially with how they have taken over insfrastructure projects that have significant impact on security of this country. I'd say CA and Competition authority need to actually be doing their work to ensure that in the current state, abuse is avoided before resorting to pulling the trigger. (there has to be a process before one is declared dominant, yes? ) On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:21 PM, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Collins,
In a nutshell if an operator is declared dominant it will basically have almost all its actions and conduct under lose scrutiny in regard to:- -its pricing -promotions and campaigns -opening up its infrastructure for sharing(site sharing, national roaming, spectrum sharing)
The main reason for the above is deterring the dominant player from engaging in anti-competitive practices which lessen effective competition in the market. If you think about it practically it's having to operate under an overly scrutinized ecosystem so that the other smaller players are given a chance to thrive.
All the above carried out by the two relevant authorities here, the Competition Authority of Kenya and the Communication Authority.
Regards,
Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu Advocate- Fintech and ICT Policy
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Pardon my Ignorance but, Someone please educate me on what it means to declare Safaricom Dominant. What then happens? what does it mean for everyone?
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Pauline Ambasa via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I agree; consumers have a choice in the Safaricom matter and must start re-examining their options. We passed a Consumer Protection law; now is the time to test its mettle as far as monopolies and customer experience go.
Kind rgds, Helen Ambasa Director/Legal Services & Company Secretary USIU
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On Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 13:44, TOM SITATI via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Nobody is more "dominant" than Kenya Power and yet the firm goes scot free on a daily basis while making monster profits.
Safaricom is not our only choice, so it is up to us consumers to "vote" with our wallets.
Tom Sitati | Architect + Brand Strategist
On Apr 24, 2017 11:19 PM, "Sidney Ochieng via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face- sanctions-over-network-outage/ 539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index. html <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Safaricom-may-face-sanctions-over-network-outage/539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index.html>
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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On 25 Apr 2017, at 8:32 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks Rosemary. I am actually conflicted on this. On one hand, Safaricom has done a fairly good job of lobbying and doing everything one can do to be competitive, on the other hand, there are worrying concerns, especially with how they have taken over insfrastructure projects that have significant impact on security of this country.
I'd say CA and Competition authority need to actually be doing their work to ensure that in the current state, abuse is avoided before resorting to pulling the trigger. (there has to be a process before one is declared dominant, yes? )
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:21 PM, Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi Collins,
In a nutshell if an operator is declared dominant it will basically have almost all its actions and conduct under lose scrutiny in regard to:- -its pricing -promotions and campaigns -opening up its infrastructure for sharing(site sharing, national roaming, spectrum sharing)
The main reason for the above is deterring the dominant player from engaging in anti-competitive practices which lessen effective competition in the market. If you think about it practically it's having to operate under an overly scrutinized ecosystem so that the other smaller players are given a chance to thrive.
All the above carried out by the two relevant authorities here, the Competition Authority of Kenya and the Communication Authority.
Regards,
Rosemary Koech-Kimwatu Advocate- Fintech and ICT Policy
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Pardon my Ignorance but, Someone please educate me on what it means to declare Safaricom Dominant. What then happens? what does it mean for everyone?
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Pauline Ambasa via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: I agree; consumers have a choice in the Safaricom matter and must start re-examining their options. We passed a Consumer Protection law; now is the time to test its mettle as far as monopolies and customer experience go.
Kind rgds, Helen Ambasa Director/Legal Services & Company Secretary USIU
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On Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 13:44, TOM SITATI via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Nobody is more "dominant" than Kenya Power and yet the firm goes scot free on a daily basis while making monster profits.
Safaricom is not our only choice, so it is up to us consumers to "vote" with our wallets.
Tom Sitati | Architect + Brand Strategist
On Apr 24, 2017 11:19 PM, "Sidney Ochieng via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Safaricom may face sanctions over network outage
http://www.businessdailyafrica .com/news/Safaricom-may-face- sanctions-over-network-outage/ 539546-3902518-15d86gnz/index. html
That one network has this much power over economy is frightening and must be addressed. Today has proven that it's not enough that Safaricom says they won't misuse their dominance, it's enough that if they fail the country slows to a crawl.
Sent on the move, kindly excuse any typos.
Sidney
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