140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi, I took time to attend the 140Friday session and at the end I wept first because as I sat there I realised that this was yet another talk shop activity in full swing but most importantly was the rubbishing of the late Evelyn Rono's efforts to give the sector a voice through KEPSA. Evelyn spent many hours lobbying for the ICT sector within the government an effort that has come to nought as we, yet again, scatter off into our various selfish corners. If all those tributes we kept sending around after she past away were genuine then lets honour her by continuing from where she left off instead of going off in a tangent. It was suggested by Dr. Ndemo and echoed by Mr. Kokubo that a team be formed to prepare a white paper on the issues that arose during the session, it was suggested that this would be best handled through the ICT Sector of KEPSA just for one of the panel to wrongly imply that KEPSA was an association for manufacturers (that organisation is called KAM who are also members of KEPSA). Dan Awendo of Investeq indicated that what is ailing us as an industry is the one man show syndrome and the leopard hunting mentality. If we can not within us form a body that can speak in one voice then all the efforts are a waste of time and resources. I will repeat what I raised a while back when I was not able to get a platform from which to take over the governorship of the ICT sector at KEPSA from Evelyn because the Computer Society of Kenya who I assumed would propose me had lapsed their membership. Unless we as an industry can speak in one voice and become a constituency then we shall continue to wallow in the miasma of deceit that was the session we had today, together we stand divided we fall. Twitter town hall meetings will not resolve what ails the industry it is only if we learn to come together that we can make an impact. KEPSA swings a sledge hammer on behalf of any of its sectors, it recommends who seats on government committees that require private sector participation and finally it has the machinery to draft and push through legislation. Forming small little talk shops will not make any progress and I read an ulterior motive to the proposal by Mr. Kokubo to form an "independent" group to prepare the white paper. He is very well aware that such a group will never see the day of light but if it was under the umbrella of KEPSA well that will be another issue. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Hi all First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised. I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks? Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states: "KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. " Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to bring their views together and then speak to government with one voice. These BMOs then have representatives that are recognised as KEPSA "Governors" and provide sectoral or business specific input to KEPSA agendas. This does not in any way replace, dilute, or diminish the purpose for that BMOs existence nor the service it offers it's members. The BMOs retain their unique identity and continue to engage with the specific organs of Govt that serve or affect their sector on a day to day basis while at the same time ensuring that the overall KEPSA agenda and engagements contain their views, positions and input. What was proposed today at #140Friday is the formation of a BMO representing the interests of businesses in the information technology sector. Whether or not BMO decides to become part of KEPSA or feels that KEPSA would add value to it's mission and vision is something that would need to be decided when, and if, it is formed. So finally - please do your homework - understand the subject you are commenting on, and the dynamics that surround it before making sweeping statements to dismiss or blindly support initiatives. As always, Brian On 3/9/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
I took time to attend the 140Friday session and at the end I wept first because as I sat there I realised that this was yet another talk shop activity in full swing but most importantly was the rubbishing of the late Evelyn Rono's efforts to give the sector a voice through KEPSA.
Evelyn spent many hours lobbying for the ICT sector within the government an effort that has come to nought as we, yet again, scatter off into our various selfish corners. If all those tributes we kept sending around after she past away were genuine then lets honour her by continuing from where she left off instead of going off in a tangent.
It was suggested by Dr. Ndemo and echoed by Mr. Kokubo that a team be formed to prepare a white paper on the issues that arose during the session, it was suggested that this would be best handled through the ICT Sector of KEPSA just for one of the panel to wrongly imply that KEPSA was an association for manufacturers (that organisation is called KAM who are also members of KEPSA).
Dan Awendo of Investeq indicated that what is ailing us as an industry is the one man show syndrome and the leopard hunting mentality. If we can not within us form a body that can speak in one voice then all the efforts are a waste of time and resources.
I will repeat what I raised a while back when I was not able to get a platform from which to take over the governorship of the ICT sector at KEPSA from Evelyn because the Computer Society of Kenya who I assumed would propose me had lapsed their membership. Unless we as an industry can speak in one voice and become a constituency then we shall continue to wallow in the miasma of deceit that was the session we had today, together we stand divided we fall.
Twitter town hall meetings will not resolve what ails the industry it is only if we learn to come together that we can make an impact. KEPSA swings a sledge hammer on behalf of any of its sectors, it recommends who seats on government committees that require private sector participation and finally it has the machinery to draft and push through legislation.
Forming small little talk shops will not make any progress and I read an ulterior motive to the proposal by Mr. Kokubo to form an "independent" group to prepare the white paper. He is very well aware that such a group will never see the day of light but if it was under the umbrella of KEPSA well that will be another issue.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
@ Brian, Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it. Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result. If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation. I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel. 1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws) All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety. Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud. For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept Hi all First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised. I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks? Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states: "KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. " Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to bring their views together and then speak to government with one voice. These BMOs then have representatives that are recognised as KEPSA "Governors" and provide sectoral or business specific input to KEPSA agendas. This does not in any way replace, dilute, or diminish the purpose for that BMOs existence nor the service it offers it's members. The BMOs retain their unique identity and continue to engage with the specific organs of Govt that serve or affect their sector on a day to day basis while at the same time ensuring that the overall KEPSA agenda and engagements contain their views, positions and input. What was proposed today at #140Friday is the formation of a BMO representing the interests of businesses in the information technology sector. Whether or not BMO decides to become part of KEPSA or feels that KEPSA would add value to it's mission and vision is something that would need to be decided when, and if, it is formed. So finally - please do your homework - understand the subject you are commenting on, and the dynamics that surround it before making sweeping statements to dismiss or blindly support initiatives. As always, Brian On 3/9/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
I took time to attend the 140Friday session and at the end I wept first because as I sat there I realised that this was yet another talk shop activity in full swing but most importantly was the rubbishing of the late Evelyn Rono's efforts to give the sector a voice through KEPSA.
Evelyn spent many hours lobbying for the ICT sector within the government an effort that has come to nought as we, yet again, scatter off into our various selfish corners. If all those tributes we kept sending around after she past away were genuine then lets honour her by continuing from where she left off instead of going off in a tangent.
It was suggested by Dr. Ndemo and echoed by Mr. Kokubo that a team be formed to prepare a white paper on the issues that arose during the session, it was suggested that this would be best handled through the ICT Sector of KEPSA just for one of the panel to wrongly imply that KEPSA was an association for manufacturers (that organisation is called KAM who are also members of KEPSA).
Dan Awendo of Investeq indicated that what is ailing us as an industry is the one man show syndrome and the leopard hunting mentality. If we can not within us form a body that can speak in one voice then all the efforts are a waste of time and resources.
I will repeat what I raised a while back when I was not able to get a platform from which to take over the governorship of the ICT sector at KEPSA from Evelyn because the Computer Society of Kenya who I assumed would propose me had lapsed their membership. Unless we as an industry can speak in one voice and become a constituency then we shall continue to wallow in the miasma of deceit that was the session we had today, together we stand divided we fall.
Twitter town hall meetings will not resolve what ails the industry it is only if we learn to come together that we can make an impact. KEPSA swings a sledge hammer on behalf of any of its sectors, it recommends who seats on government committees that require private sector participation and finally it has the machinery to draft and push through legislation.
Forming small little talk shops will not make any progress and I read an ulterior motive to the proposal by Mr. Kokubo to form an "independent" group to prepare the white paper. He is very well aware that such a group will never see the day of light but if it was under the umbrella of KEPSA well that will be another issue.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there Thanks On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to bring their views together and then speak to government with one voice. These BMOs then have representatives that are recognised as KEPSA "Governors" and provide sectoral or business specific input to KEPSA agendas.
This does not in any way replace, dilute, or diminish the purpose for that BMOs existence nor the service it offers it's members. The BMOs retain their unique identity and continue to engage with the specific organs of Govt that serve or affect their sector on a day to day basis while at the same time ensuring that the overall KEPSA agenda and engagements contain their views, positions and input.
What was proposed today at #140Friday is the formation of a BMO representing the interests of businesses in the information technology sector. Whether or not BMO decides to become part of KEPSA or feels that KEPSA would add value to it's mission and vision is something that would need to be decided when, and if, it is formed.
So finally - please do your homework - understand the subject you are commenting on, and the dynamics that surround it before making sweeping statements to dismiss or blindly support initiatives.
As always,
Brian
On 3/9/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
I took time to attend the 140Friday session and at the end I wept first because as I sat there I realised that this was yet another talk shop activity in full swing but most importantly was the rubbishing of the late Evelyn Rono's efforts to give the sector a voice through KEPSA.
Evelyn spent many hours lobbying for the ICT sector within the government an effort that has come to nought as we, yet again, scatter off into our various selfish corners. If all those tributes we kept sending around after she past away were genuine then lets honour her by continuing from where she left off instead of going off in a tangent.
It was suggested by Dr. Ndemo and echoed by Mr. Kokubo that a team be formed to prepare a white paper on the issues that arose during the session, it was suggested that this would be best handled through the ICT Sector of KEPSA just for one of the panel to wrongly imply that KEPSA was an association for manufacturers (that organisation is called KAM who are also members of KEPSA).
Dan Awendo of Investeq indicated that what is ailing us as an industry is the one man show syndrome and the leopard hunting mentality. If we can not within us form a body that can speak in one voice then all the efforts are a waste of time and resources.
I will repeat what I raised a while back when I was not able to get a platform from which to take over the governorship of the ICT sector at KEPSA from Evelyn because the Computer Society of Kenya who I assumed would propose me had lapsed their membership. Unless we as an industry can speak in one voice and become a constituency then we shall continue to wallow in the miasma of deceit that was the session we had today, together we stand divided we fall.
Twitter town hall meetings will not resolve what ails the industry it is only if we learn to come together that we can make an impact. KEPSA swings a sledge hammer on behalf of any of its sectors, it recommends who seats on government committees that require private sector participation and finally it has the machinery to draft and push through legislation.
Forming small little talk shops will not make any progress and I read an ulterior motive to the proposal by Mr. Kokubo to form an "independent" group to prepare the white paper. He is very well aware that such a group will never see the day of light but if it was under the umbrella of KEPSA well that will be another issue.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
-- Sent from my mobile device
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya? If not, should an ICT Society not be formed? Computer Society sounds do nineties. Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms. On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being
KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: part of that
you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to bring their views together and then speak to government with one voice. These BMOs then have representatives that are recognised as KEPSA "Governors" and provide sectoral or business specific input to KEPSA agendas.
This does not in any way replace, dilute, or diminish the purpose for that BMOs existence nor the service it offers it's members. The BMOs retain their unique identity and continue to engage with the specific organs of Govt that serve or affect their sector on a day to day basis while at the same time ensuring that the overall KEPSA agenda and engagements contain their views, positions and input.
What was proposed today at #140Friday is the formation of a BMO representing the interests of businesses in the information technology sector. Whether or not BMO decides to become part of KEPSA or feels that KEPSA would add value to it's mission and vision is something that would need to be decided when, and if, it is formed.
So finally - please do your homework - understand the subject you are commenting on, and the dynamics that surround it before making sweeping statements to dismiss or blindly support initiatives.
As always,
Brian
On 3/9/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
I took time to attend the 140Friday session and at the end I wept first because as I sat there I realised that this was yet another talk shop activity in full swing but most importantly was the rubbishing of the late Evelyn Rono's efforts to give the sector a voice through KEPSA.
Evelyn spent many hours lobbying for the ICT sector within the government an effort that has come to nought as we, yet again, scatter off into our various selfish corners. If all those tributes we kept sending around after she past away were genuine then lets honour her by continuing from where she left off instead of going off in a tangent.
It was suggested by Dr. Ndemo and echoed by Mr. Kokubo that a team be formed to prepare a white paper on the issues that arose during the session, it was suggested that this would be best handled through the ICT Sector of KEPSA just for one of the panel to wrongly imply that KEPSA was an association for manufacturers (that organisation is called KAM who are also members of KEPSA).
Dan Awendo of Investeq indicated that what is ailing us as an industry is the one man show syndrome and the leopard hunting mentality. If we can not within us form a body that can speak in one voice then all the efforts are a waste of time and resources.
I will repeat what I raised a while back when I was not able to get a platform from which to take over the governorship of the ICT sector at KEPSA from Evelyn because the Computer Society of Kenya who I assumed would propose me had lapsed their membership. Unless we as an industry can speak in one voice and become a constituency then we shall continue to wallow in the miasma of deceit that was the session we had today, together we stand divided we fall.
Twitter town hall meetings will not resolve what ails the industry it is only if we learn to come together that we can make an impact. KEPSA swings a sledge hammer on behalf of any of its sectors, it recommends who seats on government committees that require private sector participation and finally it has the machinery to draft and push through legislation.
Forming small little talk shops will not make any progress and I read an ulterior motive to the proposal by Mr. Kokubo to form an "independent" group to prepare the white paper. He is very well aware that such a group will never see the day of light but if it was under the umbrella of KEPSA well that will be another issue.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
-- Sent from my mobile device
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Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we
need an
entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being
KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for. On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote: part of that
you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.c...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Short version: 1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed... 2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste... 3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them 4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen... Have a great week folk! Brian On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we
need an
entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being
KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote: part of then
again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.c...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform
for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?), etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc. I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward between 2006 and 2009... Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate? On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Short version:
1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed...
2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen...
Have a great week folk!
Brian
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.c...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Francis Hook +254 733 504561
Is there any ICT org that is active... Or alive Who rans KIF ? On 3/12/12, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?), etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.
I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward between 2006 and 2009...
Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?
On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Short version:
1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed...
2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen...
Have a great week folk!
Brian
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.c...
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com
"Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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There is a newly formed society- Kenya IT Outsourcing Society (KITOS). The chairperson is Tej Bedi and other board members include Amolo Ng'weno, Munjal Shah (of Techobrain) amongst others. I suggest you check it out with them, it may be the vehicle to get in and run with. Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> To: <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept Is there any ICT org that is active... Or alive Who rans KIF ? On 3/12/12, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?), etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.
I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward between 2006 and 2009...
Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?
On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Short version:
1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed...
2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen...
Have a great week folk!
Brian
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.c...
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They are already members of KEPSA Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012, 12:26 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept There is a newly formed society- Kenya IT Outsourcing Society (KITOS). The chairperson is Tej Bedi and other board members include Amolo Ng'weno, Munjal Shah (of Techobrain) amongst others. I suggest you check it out with them, it may be the vehicle to get in and run with. Gilda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> To: <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept Is there any ICT org that is active... Or alive Who rans KIF ? On 3/12/12, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?), etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.
I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward between 2006 and 2009...
Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?
On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Short version:
1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed...
2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen...
Have a great week folk!
Brian
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information > Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that >> > we need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative >> > to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full >> > it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and >> > read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those >> > who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, >> > with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.c...
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Good one Frank, you've seen the evolution... It can be argued that there has never been an organisation that represents the interests of "technology development" companies or "technology service" companies - and these seem to be the ones increasingly that are clamouring for attention. If my memory serves me well - Gov't has made it clear "organise yourselves to speak to us with one voice or we will ignore you" Best regards, Brian On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?), etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.
I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward between 2006 and 2009...
Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?
Short version:
1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed...
2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen...
Have a great week folk!
Brian
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information
Technology
/ Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that
we
need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at
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-- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe@gmail.com cell: +254715964281 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com "Give us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for, because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything."
KIF, of which the Late Evelyn Rono and myself were former committee members, has lapsed into a state of coma. In Dec 2010 we had elections and did handover office to new office bearers. However, KIF had funding issues - where it became unsustainable, to the point where the committee members were forking personal money to pay for basic monthly expenses. Even though the organisation did some very good work representing the ICT private sector's views and input into the Communications Act etc, it was difficult to get members to renew membership and support the organisation. You will find this as the case with most umbrella bodies - members want services for free and only recognise the importance when it suits them. If enough companies are serious on this forum about this issue ("put your money where your mouth"), KIF can be revived from its slumber. Suraj On 3/12/12 12:03 PM, "Francis Hook" <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?), etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.
I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward between 2006 and 2009...
Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?
On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Short version:
1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed...
2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen...
Have a great week folk!
Brian
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmai l.com
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Excellent feedback Suraj. Let us make progress on the basis of facts and experience, not suppositions... Best regards, Brian On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Suraj Shah <suraj@surajshah.co.ke> wrote:
KIF, of which the Late Evelyn Rono and myself were former committee members, has lapsed into a state of coma. In Dec 2010 we had elections and did handover office to new office bearers. However, KIF had funding issues - where it became unsustainable, to the point where the committee members were forking personal money to pay for basic monthly expenses. Even though the organisation did some very good work representing the ICT private sector's views and input into the Communications Act etc, it was difficult to get members to renew membership and support the organisation. You will find this as the case with most umbrella bodies - members want services for free and only recognise the importance when it suits them. If enough companies are serious on this forum about this issue ("put your money where your mouth"), KIF can be revived from its slumber.
Suraj
On 3/12/12 12:03 PM, "Francis Hook" <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?), etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.
I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward between 2006 and 2009...
Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?
Short version:
1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed...
2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen...
Have a great week folk!
Brian
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com>
wrote:
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > @ Brian, > > Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we > need an > entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation > exists, > its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you > have preferred to lambaste and ignore it. > > Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an > individual > person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your > interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO > refuses to > join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being > part of > KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to > Evelyn > which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search > result. > > If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your > democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name > then > again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it > does > not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but > before > you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your > subscriptions > BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation. > > I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being > repeated by > the 3 men older than me who where on the panel. > > 1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen
(na
> omba > serikali) > 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new > dispensation > (we need new laws) > > All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the > constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which > means that > you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle > (had to > mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read > in its > entirety. > > Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after > which I > am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has > changed and > you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The > constitution > is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not > being > recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of > us > where busy in the cloud. > > For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I > could get > you the document in audio version. > > Regards > > Robert Yawe > KAY System Technologies Ltd > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > Kenya > > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 > Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept > > Hi all > > First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert > Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised. > > I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we > please > do our homework before we post scalding remarks? > > Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who > were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to > simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home > page? It simply states: > > "KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with > a > membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership > Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations > and is still growing. " > > Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - > allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership > Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmai > l.com
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+1 Never thought the day will come when I will use that Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ----- Original Message ----- From: Suraj Shah <suraj@surajshah.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012, 12:58 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept KIF, of which the Late Evelyn Rono and myself were former committee members, has lapsed into a state of coma. In Dec 2010 we had elections and did handover office to new office bearers. However, KIF had funding issues - where it became unsustainable, to the point where the committee members were forking personal money to pay for basic monthly expenses. Even though the organisation did some very good work representing the ICT private sector's views and input into the Communications Act etc, it was difficult to get members to renew membership and support the organisation. You will find this as the case with most umbrella bodies - members want services for free and only recognise the importance when it suits them. If enough companies are serious on this forum about this issue ("put your money where your mouth"), KIF can be revived from its slumber. Suraj On 3/12/12 12:03 PM, "Francis Hook" <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?), etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.
I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward between 2006 and 2009...
Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?
On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Short version:
1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed...
2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen...
Have a great week folk!
Brian
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmai l.com
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2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste... Please elaborate. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012, 10:23 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept Short version: 1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into a body representing IT businesses have failed... 2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste... 3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them 4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should listen... Have a great week folk! Brian On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we need an entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being part of KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name then again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership
Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.c...
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is anyone able to access the membership application doc ? http://www.cskonline.org/downloads/membershipform_individual.pdf I would like to join but I keep getting an error On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we
need an
entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being
KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote: part of then
again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we please do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.c...
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The PDF download appears to be corrupt. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
is anyone able to access the membership application doc ? http://www.cskonline.org/downloads/membershipform_individual.pdf
I would like to join but I keep getting an error
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
Computer Society sounds do nineties.
Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology / Services firms.
On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
Thanks
On 3/12/12, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
@ Brian,
Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we
need an
entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation exists, its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an individual person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO refuses to join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being
KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to Evelyn which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search result.
If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name
again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it does not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but before you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your subscriptions BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being repeated by the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen (na omba serikali) 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new dispensation (we need new laws)
All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which means that you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle (had to mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read in its entirety.
Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading forum, after which I am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has changed and you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The constitution is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not being recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of us where busy in the cloud.
For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I could get you the document in audio version.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
Hi all
First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we
On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote: part of then please
do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult to simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home page? It simply states:
"KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with a membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations – and is still growing. "
Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body - allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.c...
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platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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participants (9)
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Agosta Liko -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Brian Ngure -
Francis Hook -
Gilda Odera -
Rad! -
robert yawe -
S.M. Muraya -
Suraj Shah