----- Original Message -----
From: Suraj Shah <suraj@surajshah.co.ke>
To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012, 12:58
Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
KIF, of which the Late Evelyn Rono and myself were former committee members,
has lapsed into a state of coma. In Dec 2010 we had elections and did
handover office to new office bearers. However, KIF had
funding issues -
where it became unsustainable, to the point where the committee members were
forking personal money to pay for basic monthly expenses. Even though the
organisation did some very good work representing the ICT private sector's
views and input into the Communications Act etc, it was difficult to get
members to renew membership and support the organisation. You will find
this as the case with most umbrella bodies - members want services for free
and only recognise the importance when it suits them. If enough companies
are serious on this forum about this issue ("put your money where your
mouth"), KIF can be revived from its slumber.
Suraj
On 3/12/12 12:03 PM, "Francis Hook" <
francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
> Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT
Federation
> (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all
> ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT
> bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?),
> etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the
> top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers
> assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.
>
> I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward
> between 2006 and 2009...
>
> Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership
> structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?
>
> On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <
blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Short version:
>>
>> 1)
Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT
>> Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into
>> a body representing IT businesses have failed...
>>
>> 2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his
>> deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...
>>
>> 3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no
>> representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them
>>
>> 4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that
>> they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should
>> listen...
>>
>> Have a great week folk!
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <
conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the
>>> community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <
murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?
>>>>
>>>> If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?
>>>>
>>>> Computer Society sounds do nineties.
>>>>
>>>> Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology
>>>> / Services firms.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <
agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen
>>>>> the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/12/12, robert yawe <
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> @ Brian,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we
>>>>>> need an
>>>>>> entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation
>>>>>> exists,
>>>>>> its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of
you
>>>>>> have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an
>>>>>> individual
>>>>>> person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your
>>>>>> interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO
>>>>>> refuses to
>>>>>> join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being
>>>>>> part of
>>>>>> KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to
>>>>>> Evelyn
>>>>>> which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search
>>>>>> result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have an
issue with the current office bearers then use your
>>>>>> democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your
>>>>>> subscriptions
>>>>>> BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being
>>>>>> repeated by
>>>>>> the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Stop asking the
government to do for us, it will never happen (na
>>>>>> omba
>>>>>> serikali)
>>>>>> 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new
>>>>>> dispensation
>>>>>> (we need new laws)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the
>>>>>> constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which
>>>>>> means that
>>>>>> you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle
>>>>>> (had to
>>>>>> mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read
>>>>>> in its
>>>>>> entirety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution
reading forum, after
>>>>>> which I
>>>>>> am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has
>>>>>> changed and
>>>>>> you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The
>>>>>> constitution
>>>>>> is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> where busy in the cloud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I
>>>>>> could get
>>>>>> you the document in audio version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>>> Kenya
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <
blongwe@gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: robert yawe <
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert
>>>>>> Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we
>>>>>> please
>>>>>> do our homework before we post scalding remarks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who
>>>>>> were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult
to
>>>>>> simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home
>>>>>> page? It simply states:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership
>>>>>> Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations
>>>>>> and is still growing. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body -
>>>>>> allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership
>>>>>> Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at
>>>>>>
http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmai>>>>>> l.com
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