Online courtesy- dont misuse this forum!!!!
Dear Yawe, I am sure my name has given me away too but I dont care much about that. Suffice it to say that this is not a forum for bar talk and that kind of stuff. This is a place for serious discussions. I am sure this kind of responses can make people to unsubscribe from this list, or make others start defending their political stand. For the years I have been a member of this list, I am sure Kictanet accommodates everybody irrespective of race, ethnic background or levels of development. This is a list with people beyond Kenya, who are interested in ICT policy and other attendant issues. If everybody came to narrate such stories online, I wonder what we will do during our free time when we are supposed to engage in idle talk. Let us restrict this kind of talk to political rallies and local pubs and let this forum be for serious ICT discussions. We must see beyond some of these things. If you have any bone to pick with my contribution please reply to me directly and not to the list. Walubengo has published guidelines on posting, I am sure he will be kind enough to re-post them just to remind ourselves how to conduct online discussions. Best regards Becky Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com>; ke-internetusers@bdix.net Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:26:09 AM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco Hi Alex, If your name is a definite give away and I would have been more surprised if your contribution was any different. Do not create a storm in a tea cub, the Kikuyu should head the adage "with great power comes great responsibility". By not uplifting the livelihood of your neighbours in Eldoret, Kisumu and Kuresoi you failed in your responsibility. Yes, you are your brothers keeper do not escape your right. Taking us back to the days of your tribes existence as gatherers (sorry they still are) you are trying to justify your abdicated responsibility. Teach your pastoral and fishing neigbours how to better their lives and this problem will solve itself. Take Raila's hand and show him how by taking EA Spectre and the Molasses plant public is the way of the future instead of selling everything to Trans Century. Teach Ruto that education is the land of the future, his mentor ruled us for 24 years longer than Kenyatta ruled yet Gatundu is still better off than Sacho. It is time the Kikuyu accepted that they have misused their God given right to enrich yourselves and frustrate those you are responsible for. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225 ----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 9:30:09 PM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco Greetings Robert, Let break it down! You mean every Kikuyu carries a "land thief" label on their forehead? Terrible thieves of indigenous lands they should all be. Hey, what am I saying? You live and your office is in Nairobi right? And Nairobi is a maasai name. oops! Then we are occupying indigenous maasai land and we should all vacate and go back to our ancestral homes to avoid massai rungus and spears. Step 1 Kalenjin head back to Rift Valley, Luo back to Luo-Nyanza, Kikuyus to Central Kenya, Arabs, Waswahili back to the coast, Taita... etc etc.. all 42 communities ( or should I use tribes?) Step 2 Before we unpack those sufurias, beddings, and bags and city life computers and modems. History says pssst! Look over here! Sorry Bantus, the Nigeria-Cameroon- Congo forest is where you belong you only came here 5,000 years ago (3000 BC) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu#Origins> And you Nilotics get up further north to the Sudan, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic), Cushitics back to the arab-asia origins. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages> Step 3 If you noticed above Nilotics include Maa-speaking peoples who earlier chased you and me from their Nairobi. etc.. etc.. Step 4 Nearly forgot, Indians please the British only brought you here to construct Her/His Majesty's EAR and you have over-stayed. Get packing thank you very much for your labours. BTW, White Kenyans remember Europe is where your ancestors are? Everyone is going back home where they belongs. ok! Step 5 If there are any Americans- Kenyans you go home as well. This is a hard one because once you get there, you then retrace where you came from because Native Americans claim that land. Australians the Aborigine wan their land back. Spanish Mexicans the Aztecs want back their land etc etc Step 6 Kenya's permanent solution to the Eldoret "problem" as per Yawe has triggered an unprecedented global migration crisis and succeeded in removing everyone from Kenya. In other works, there is no Kenya because Kenya was an artificial invention of some British adventurers who have all been compelled to go back home. Finally, Everybody is now safely back in their home land and permanent peace prevails all over the world? BTW regarding, "Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones before they flare up," I believe she must have been making reference to a KDN's business proposal because she works there and it's her job to look for new business. She's unlikely to share it with potential competitors on the list, at least I wouldn't:) Nice debate, hit me! Enjoy! Alex On Jan 8, 2008 8:04 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Alex,
We know the genesis of the problems in Eldoret and whichever way the election went the killings and displacements there would still have
place. Stop bombarding God with insincere prayers, we pray together only to walk out of the judge and return to our tribal cocoons.
The history and progression of the tensions in Eldoret are well known and documented, it had nothing to do with the election results but Ruto finishing off what he begun in 1992 - 1997. Remember is the one of
known participant in a cabinet meeting who was not a minister.
Give the land back to the Kalenjin it was taken away from them by the settlers but returned to the Kikuyu. If you want my added opinion if you decide to eat a frog eat a fat juicy one, if the Kikuyu's really want to remain in Eldoret let them make sure they have uninterrupted tracts of not less than 100 acres and stop promising your sons and daughters that
will inherit the land lets move to the new age, knowledge.
Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones before they flare up.
Lets stop useless rhetoric and apply our knowledge and skills to better run this country, stop using 18th century solutions for 22nd century
There are enough busy bodies dealing with the now and here of this crisis we need a group to look 20 years ahead to make sure that the child born in Eldoret, Nyeri or Kisumu today does not revert to the solutions of todays 20 year old.
Alex, I refuse to be pulled into a discussion that I cannot provide a workable solution that is within my skill set. Ask me for a techie solution to a problem then I am in my forte.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya
Tel: +254722511225
----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 12:58:48 PM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
Robert:
Firstly, I am not opposed to your expressed opinion but only calling on prioritisation of issues. We are lucky to be alive and in our offices typing away our diverse polls opinions and offering our best efforts in solving problems facing our suffering brothers and sisters.
But could we at this moment in time focus all our energies on solidifying returning peace and calm. Hard-line political positions, polls details, allegations or insinuations will neither console those that lost their loved ones, destroyed homes, property, and livelihoods. Accusations will not console fellow Kenyans and relatives since spending every night in the cold not because they committed any crime.
Let us all try a very difficult thing, forgiveness. Anger is easily inflames and spread whereas honest forgiveness is such a difficult thing for us to do. But why should we all forgive in the first
some may ask.
I believe forgiveness should not be to please the aggressor, not to gain political mileage, settle political scores, or improve ones public image. We should not forgive to appear righteous to appease our religious leaders, cultural traditions, or our families.
We should forgive so that we save own selves from self-ruin. Save our futures from burdens of pain and grief. To break free chains of carrying burdens of hatred for the rest of our lives. For our conscience, hearts and minds to be unpolluted, pure and clear. To appreciate and focus on the beauty, value and to actualise sanctity of life every moment that we live. And to become soldiers of life, love, kindness, and fairness fellow beings.
What possibly could ever justify one taking the life of another? I simply could never find words strong enough to condemn such.
Therefore, my friend, let is not tire ourselves with politicians
self-interests when many are undergoing trauma. At this moment in time politicians interests bother me the least. Time will tell and I hope 10 years todays, this country will look back at this as the darkest cloud ever to have passed over our country.
Alex
On Jan 8, 2008 11:52 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Happy new year to you all and I pray that you are all well.
It is shocking that in this day and age we can actually have the
kind of
electoral fiasco that has been visited on us by the ECK and Co as well as the political parties.
This draconian problem reared its head when the Orange house was broken into and the computers stolen. Hon.Nyongo's statement indicated that
objective was to steal the member register. If I needed to steal
register which from his comments was in electronic form what was
taking off with the computer. Has he ever heard of flash disks, external hard dis drives and CD/DVD writers. Technology allows me to steal his data without him every knowing.
After this issue Kivuiti dismissed the SMS service that had been made available by Telkom to enable voters confirm their details. He even went to the extent of saying he does not know how to send an SMS. As the IT fraternity in the country can we really escape blame for this fiasco?
The next time was when I saw Hon. Ruto standing at KICC and screaming himself hoarse over the forms 16 & 16A that had not been received. It seems he might be using a Nokia 1018 mobile phone (he actually uses a Nokia N series).
Was it so difficult for the opposition to provide each of their agents with a camera equipped mobile phone that they would have used to to take
of pictures
of the form and also record the returning officer announcing the results. This would then have been easily sent to party head quarters.
There are 210 or so constituencies in the country and the mobile
am
talking about cost about 10,000/- each do the math.
I ask am I the only Kenyan who is aware of such technology or is
entire
fiasco a stage managed process. Even the EU observer teams came equipped as if it was the 12th Century after which they proceeded to make unsupported statements about the result that further inflamed bloodshed.
Maybe its a techie thing to keep in our glass houses and refuse to add value to a process and only send around message (this one included) after
taken the only they problems. place? power the the the need phones I this the
fact.
It is re-assuring when we remember the Florida fiasco but this not withstanding do we really have a moral standing to point fingers about the election results?
What will be our contribution to stopping this from being repeated in future?
Regards
Remember Matiba and his video cameras during the good old days of mulolongo voting?
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya
Tel: +254722511225
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Dear Yawe and all KICTANet is committed to and is contributing to the various peace and reconciliation efforts and therefore condemns any attempt to extend the crisis to virtual space. So a reminder of some of the he rules once again. Mind your manners and during this period mind them extra hard.....Don’t send rude, political, tribal and offensive e-mails or postings. * Be polite - virtual members are real not a cyberspace dunderheads with no feelings. * Watch your words - We can’t see your face, and the emotions in words can get misinterpreted. * Kick the bad language - People are listening. * Laws are laws - What’s real in the real world are the same in cyberspace. * Newbie tolerance - You’re an expert in cyberspace, don’t forget there are newbie’s trying to learn as much as you had to. * Be ethical in your posting. Don't lie, plagiarize, or deliberately do harm to another KICTANet forum user. regards alice Rebecca Wanjiku wrote:
Dear Yawe,
I am sure my name has given me away too but I dont care much about that.
Suffice it to say that this is not a forum for bar talk and that kind of stuff. This is a place for serious discussions. I am sure this kind of responses can make people to unsubscribe from this list, or make others start defending their political stand.
For the years I have been a member of this list, I am sure Kictanet accommodates everybody irrespective of race, ethnic background or levels of development.
This is a list with people beyond Kenya, who are interested in ICT policy and other attendant issues. If everybody came to narrate such stories online, I wonder what we will do during our free time when we are supposed to engage in idle talk.
Let us restrict this kind of talk to political rallies and local pubs and let this forum be for serious ICT discussions. We must see beyond some of these things.
If you have any bone to pick with my contribution please reply to me directly and not to the list.
Walubengo has published guidelines on posting, I am sure he will be kind enough to re-post them just to remind ourselves how to conduct online discussions.
Best regards Becky Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message ---- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com>; ke-internetusers@bdix.net Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:26:09 AM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
Hi Alex,
If your name is a definite give away and I would have been more surprised if your contribution was any different.
Do not create a storm in a tea cub, the Kikuyu should head the adage "with great power comes great responsibility". By not uplifting the livelihood of your neighbours in Eldoret, Kisumu and Kuresoi you failed in your responsibility. Yes, you are your brothers keeper do not escape your right.
Taking us back to the days of your tribes existence as gatherers (sorry they still are) you are trying to justify your abdicated responsibility. Teach your pastoral and fishing neigbours how to better their lives and this problem will solve itself.
Take Raila's hand and show him how by taking EA Spectre and the Molasses plant public is the way of the future instead of selling everything to Trans Century. Teach Ruto that education is the land of the future, his mentor ruled us for 24 years longer than Kenyatta ruled yet Gatundu is still better off than Sacho.
It is time the Kikuyu accepted that they have misused their God given right to enrich yourselves and frustrate those you are responsible for.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225
----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 9:30:09 PM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
Greetings Robert,
Let break it down!
You mean every Kikuyu carries a "land thief" label on their forehead? Terrible thieves of indigenous lands they should all be. Hey, what am I saying? You live and your office is in Nairobi right? And Nairobi is a maasai name. oops! Then we are occupying indigenous maasai land and we should all vacate and go back to our ancestral homes to avoid massai rungus and spears.
Step 1
Kalenjin head back to Rift Valley, Luo back to Luo-Nyanza, Kikuyus to Central Kenya, Arabs, Waswahili back to the coast, Taita... etc etc.. all 42 communities ( or should I use tribes?)
Step 2
Before we unpack those sufurias, beddings, and bags and city life computers and modems. History says pssst! Look over here! Sorry Bantus, the Nigeria-Cameroon- Congo forest is where you belong you only came here 5,000 years ago (3000 BC) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu#Origins> And you Nilotics get up further north to the Sudan, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic), Cushitics back to the arab-asia origins. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages>
Step 3
If you noticed above Nilotics include Maa-speaking peoples who earlier chased you and me from their Nairobi. etc.. etc..
Step 4
Nearly forgot, Indians please the British only brought you here to construct Her/His Majesty's EAR and you have over-stayed. Get packing thank you very much for your labours. BTW, White Kenyans remember Europe is where your ancestors are? Everyone is going back home where they belongs. ok!
Step 5
If there are any Americans- Kenyans you go home as well. This is a hard one because once you get there, you then retrace where you came from because Native Americans claim that land. Australians the Aborigine wan their land back. Spanish Mexicans the Aztecs want back their land etc etc
Step 6
Kenya's permanent solution to the Eldoret "problem" as per Yawe has triggered an unprecedented global migration crisis and succeeded in removing everyone from Kenya. In other works, there is no Kenya because Kenya was an artificial invention of some British adventurers who have all been compelled to go back home.
Finally,
Everybody is now safely back in their home land and permanent peace prevails all over the world?
BTW regarding, "Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones before they flare up," I believe she must have been making reference to a KDN's business proposal because she works there and it's her job to look for new business. She's unlikely to share it with potential competitors on the list, at least I wouldn't:)
Nice debate, hit me!
Enjoy!
Alex
On Jan 8, 2008 8:04 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi Alex,
We know the genesis of the problems in Eldoret and whichever way the election went the killings and displacements there would still have
place. Stop bombarding God with insincere prayers, we pray together only to walk out of the judge and return to our tribal cocoons.
The history and progression of the tensions in Eldoret are well known and documented, it had nothing to do with the election results but Ruto finishing off what he begun in 1992 - 1997. Remember is the one of
known participant in a cabinet meeting who was not a minister.
Give the land back to the Kalenjin it was taken away from them by the settlers but returned to the Kikuyu. If you want my added opinion if you decide to eat a frog eat a fat juicy one, if the Kikuyu's really want to remain in Eldoret let them make sure they have uninterrupted tracts of not less than 100 acres and stop promising your sons and daughters that they will inherit the land lets move to the new age, knowledge.
Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones before they flare up.
Lets stop useless rhetoric and apply our knowledge and skills to better run this country, stop using 18th century solutions for 22nd century
There are enough busy bodies dealing with the now and here of this crisis we need a group to look 20 years ahead to make sure that the child born in Eldoret, Nyeri or Kisumu today does not revert to the solutions of todays 20 year old.
Alex, I refuse to be pulled into a discussion that I cannot provide a workable solution that is within my skill set. Ask me for a techie solution to a problem then I am in my forte.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya
Tel: +254722511225
----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com <mailto:alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net <mailto:ke-internetusers@bdix.net>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 12:58:48 PM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
Robert:
Firstly, I am not opposed to your expressed opinion but only calling on prioritisation of issues. We are lucky to be alive and in our offices typing away our diverse polls opinions and offering our best efforts in solving problems facing our suffering brothers and sisters.
But could we at this moment in time focus all our energies on solidifying returning peace and calm. Hard-line political positions, polls details, allegations or insinuations will neither console those that lost their loved ones, destroyed homes, property, and livelihoods. Accusations will not console fellow Kenyans and relatives since spending every night in the cold not because they committed any crime.
Let us all try a very difficult thing, forgiveness. Anger is easily inflames and spread whereas honest forgiveness is such a difficult thing for us to do. But why should we all forgive in the first place? some may ask.
I believe forgiveness should not be to please the aggressor, not to gain political mileage, settle political scores, or improve ones public image. We should not forgive to appear righteous to appease our religious leaders, cultural traditions, or our families.
We should forgive so that we save own selves from self-ruin. Save our futures from burdens of pain and grief. To break free chains of carrying burdens of hatred for the rest of our lives. For our conscience, hearts and minds to be unpolluted, pure and clear. To appreciate and focus on the beauty, value and to actualise sanctity of life every moment that we live. And to become soldiers of life, love, kindness, and fairness fellow beings.
What possibly could ever justify one taking the life of another? I simply could never find words strong enough to condemn such.
Therefore, my friend, let is not tire ourselves with politicians power self-interests when many are undergoing trauma. At this moment in time politicians interests bother me the least. Time will tell and I hope 10 years todays, this country will look back at this as the darkest cloud ever to have passed over our country.
Alex
On Jan 8, 2008 11:52 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Happy new year to you all and I pray that you are all well.
It is shocking that in this day and age we can actually have the
kind of
electoral fiasco that has been visited on us by the ECK and Co as well as the political parties.
This draconian problem reared its head when the Orange house was broken into and the computers stolen. Hon.Nyongo's statement indicated that the objective was to steal the member register. If I needed to steal the register which from his comments was in electronic form what was
taking off with the computer. Has he ever heard of flash disks, external hard dis drives and CD/DVD writers. Technology allows me to steal his data without him every knowing.
After this issue Kivuiti dismissed the SMS service that had been made available by Telkom to enable voters confirm their details. He even went to the extent of saying he does not know how to send an SMS. As the IT fraternity in the country can we really escape blame for this fiasco?
The next time was when I saw Hon. Ruto standing at KICC and screaming himself hoarse over the forms 16 & 16A that had not been received. It seems he might be using a Nokia 1018 mobile phone (he actually uses a Nokia N series).
Was it so difficult for the opposition to provide each of their agents with a camera equipped mobile phone that they would have used to to take
of pictures
of the form and also record the returning officer announcing the results. This would then have been easily sent to party head quarters.
There are 210 or so constituencies in the country and the mobile
taken the only problems. the need phones I
am
talking about cost about 10,000/- each do the math.
I ask am I the only Kenyan who is aware of such technology or is this entire fiasco a stage managed process. Even the EU observer teams came equipped as if it was the 12th Century after which they proceeded to make unsupported statements about the result that further inflamed bloodshed.
Maybe its a techie thing to keep in our glass houses and refuse to add value to a process and only send around message (this one included) after the fact.
It is re-assuring when we remember the Florida fiasco but this not withstanding do we really have a moral standing to point fingers about the election results?
What will be our contribution to stopping this from being repeated in future?
Regards
Remember Matiba and his video cameras during the good old days of mulolongo voting?
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya
Tel: +254722511225
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Dear Yawe and all
KICTANet is committed to and is contributing to the various peace and reconciliation efforts and therefore condemns any attempt to extend the crisis to virtual space.
So a reminder of some of the he rules once again.
Mind your manners and during this period mind them extra hard.....Don’t send rude, political, tribal and offensive e-mails or postings.
* Be polite - virtual members are real not a cyberspace dunderheads with no feelings.
* Watch your words - We can’t see your face, and the emotions in words can get misinterpreted.
* Kick the bad language - People are listening.
* Laws are laws - What’s real in the real world are the same in cyberspace.
* Newbie tolerance - You’re an expert in cyberspace, don’t forget there are newbie’s trying to learn as much as you had to.
* Be ethical in your posting. Don't lie, plagiarize, or deliberately do harm to another KICTANet forum user.
regards alice
Dear Yawe,
I am sure my name has given me away too but I dont care much about that.
Suffice it to say that this is not a forum for bar talk and that kind of stuff. This is a place for serious discussions. I am sure this kind of responses can make people to unsubscribe from this list, or make others start defending their political stand.
For the years I have been a member of this list, I am sure Kictanet accommodates everybody irrespective of race, ethnic background or levels of development.
This is a list with people beyond Kenya, who are interested in ICT policy and other attendant issues. If everybody came to narrate such stories online, I wonder what we will do during our free time when we are supposed to engage in idle talk.
Let us restrict this kind of talk to political rallies and local pubs and let this forum be for serious ICT discussions. We must see beyond some of these things.
If you have any bone to pick with my contribution please reply to me directly and not to the list.
Walubengo has published guidelines on posting, I am sure he will be kind enough to re-post them just to remind ourselves how to conduct online discussions.
Best regards Becky Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message ---- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com>; ke-internetusers@bdix.net Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:26:09 AM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
Hi Alex,
If your name is a definite give away and I would have been more surprised if your contribution was any different.
Do not create a storm in a tea cub, the Kikuyu should head the adage "with great power comes great responsibility". By not uplifting the livelihood of your neighbours in Eldoret, Kisumu and Kuresoi you failed in your responsibility. Yes, you are your brothers keeper do not escape your right.
Taking us back to the days of your tribes existence as gatherers (sorry they still are) you are trying to justify your abdicated responsibility. Teach your pastoral and fishing neigbours how to better their lives and this problem will solve itself.
Take Raila's hand and show him how by taking EA Spectre and the Molasses plant public is the way of the future instead of selling everything to Trans Century. Teach Ruto that education is the land of the future, his mentor ruled us for 24 years longer than Kenyatta ruled yet Gatundu is still better off than Sacho.
It is time the Kikuyu accepted that they have misused their God given right to enrich yourselves and frustrate those you are responsible for.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225
----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 9:30:09 PM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
Greetings Robert,
Let break it down!
You mean every Kikuyu carries a "land thief" label on their forehead? Terrible thieves of indigenous lands they should all be. Hey, what am I saying? You live and your office is in Nairobi right? And Nairobi is a maasai name. oops! Then we are occupying indigenous maasai land and we should all vacate and go back to our ancestral homes to avoid massai rungus and spears.
Step 1
Kalenjin head back to Rift Valley, Luo back to Luo-Nyanza, Kikuyus to Central Kenya, Arabs, Waswahili back to the coast, Taita... etc etc.. all 42 communities ( or should I use tribes?)
Step 2
Before we unpack those sufurias, beddings, and bags and city life computers and modems. History says pssst! Look over here! Sorry Bantus, the Nigeria-Cameroon- Congo forest is where you belong you only came here 5,000 years ago (3000 BC) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu#Origins> And you Nilotics get up further north to the Sudan, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic), Cushitics back to the arab-asia origins. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages>
Step 3
If you noticed above Nilotics include Maa-speaking peoples who earlier chased you and me from their Nairobi. etc.. etc..
Step 4
Nearly forgot, Indians please the British only brought you here to construct Her/His Majesty's EAR and you have over-stayed. Get packing thank you very much for your labours. BTW, White Kenyans remember Europe is where your ancestors are? Everyone is going back home where they belongs. ok!
Step 5
If there are any Americans- Kenyans you go home as well. This is a hard one because once you get there, you then retrace where you came from because Native Americans claim that land. Australians the Aborigine wan their land back. Spanish Mexicans the Aztecs want back their land etc etc
Step 6
Kenya's permanent solution to the Eldoret "problem" as per Yawe has triggered an unprecedented global migration crisis and succeeded in removing everyone from Kenya. In other works, there is no Kenya because Kenya was an artificial invention of some British adventurers who have all been compelled to go back home.
Finally,
Everybody is now safely back in their home land and permanent peace prevails all over the world?
BTW regarding, "Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones before they flare up," I believe she must have been making reference to a KDN's business proposal because she works there and it's her job to look for new business. She's unlikely to share it with potential competitors on the list, at least I wouldn't:)
Nice debate, hit me!
Enjoy!
Alex
On Jan 8, 2008 8:04 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi Alex,
We know the genesis of the problems in Eldoret and whichever way the election went the killings and displacements there would still have
place. Stop bombarding God with insincere prayers, we pray together only to walk out of the judge and return to our tribal cocoons.
The history and progression of the tensions in Eldoret are well known and documented, it had nothing to do with the election results but Ruto finishing off what he begun in 1992 - 1997. Remember is the one of
taken the only
known participant in a cabinet meeting who was not a minister.
Give the land back to the Kalenjin it was taken away from them by the settlers but returned to the Kikuyu. If you want my added opinion if you decide to eat a frog eat a fat juicy one, if the Kikuyu's really want to remain in Eldoret let them make sure they have uninterrupted tracts of not less than 100 acres and stop promising your sons and daughters that
will inherit the land lets move to the new age, knowledge.
Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones before they flare up.
Lets stop useless rhetoric and apply our knowledge and skills to better run this country, stop using 18th century solutions for 22nd century problems. There are enough busy bodies dealing with the now and here of this crisis we need a group to look 20 years ahead to make sure that the child born in Eldoret, Nyeri or Kisumu today does not revert to the solutions of todays 20 year old.
Alex, I refuse to be pulled into a discussion that I cannot provide a workable solution that is within my skill set. Ask me for a techie solution to a problem then I am in my forte.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya
Tel: +254722511225
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Robert:
Firstly, I am not opposed to your expressed opinion but only calling on prioritisation of issues. We are lucky to be alive and in our offices typing away our diverse polls opinions and offering our best efforts in solving problems facing our suffering brothers and sisters.
But could we at this moment in time focus all our energies on solidifying returning peace and calm. Hard-line political positions, polls details, allegations or insinuations will neither console those that lost their loved ones, destroyed homes, property, and livelihoods. Accusations will not console fellow Kenyans and relatives since spending every night in the cold not because they committed any crime.
Let us all try a very difficult thing, forgiveness. Anger is easily inflames and spread whereas honest forgiveness is such a difficult thing for us to do. But why should we all forgive in the first place? some may ask.
I believe forgiveness should not be to please the aggressor, not to gain political mileage, settle political scores, or improve ones public image. We should not forgive to appear righteous to appease our religious leaders, cultural traditions, or our families.
We should forgive so that we save own selves from self-ruin. Save our futures from burdens of pain and grief. To break free chains of carrying burdens of hatred for the rest of our lives. For our conscience, hearts and minds to be unpolluted, pure and clear. To appreciate and focus on the beauty, value and to actualise sanctity of life every moment that we live. And to become soldiers of life, love, kindness, and fairness fellow beings.
What possibly could ever justify one taking the life of another? I simply could never find words strong enough to condemn such.
Therefore, my friend, let is not tire ourselves with politicians power self-interests when many are undergoing trauma. At this moment in time politicians interests bother me the least. Time will tell and I hope 10 years todays, this country will look back at this as the darkest cloud ever to have passed over our country.
Alex
On Jan 8, 2008 11:52 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Happy new year to you all and I pray that you are all well.
It is shocking that in this day and age we can actually have the
electoral fiasco that has been visited on us by the ECK and Co as well as the political parties.
This draconian problem reared its head when the Orange house was broken into and the computers stolen. Hon.Nyongo's statement indicated that the objective was to steal the member register. If I needed to steal the register which from his comments was in electronic form what was
taking off with the computer. Has he ever heard of flash disks, external hard dis drives and CD/DVD writers. Technology allows me to steal his data without him every knowing.
After this issue Kivuiti dismissed the SMS service that had been made available by Telkom to enable voters confirm their details. He even went to the extent of saying he does not know how to send an SMS. As the IT fraternity in the country can we really escape blame for this fiasco?
The next time was when I saw Hon. Ruto standing at KICC and screaming himself hoarse over the forms 16 & 16A that had not been received. It seems he might be using a Nokia 1018 mobile phone (he actually uses a Nokia N series).
Was it so difficult for the opposition to provide each of their agents with a camera equipped mobile phone that they would have used to to take
of the form and also record the returning officer announcing the results. This would then have been easily sent to party head quarters.
There are 210 or so constituencies in the country and the mobile
kind of the need of pictures phones I am
talking about cost about 10,000/- each do the math.
I ask am I the only Kenyan who is aware of such technology or is
Rebecca Wanjiku wrote: they this
entire
fiasco a stage managed process. Even the EU observer teams came equipped as if it was the 12th Century after which they proceeded to make unsupported statements about the result that further inflamed bloodshed.
Maybe its a techie thing to keep in our glass houses and refuse to add value to a process and only send around message (this one included) after the fact.
It is re-assuring when we remember the Florida fiasco but this not withstanding do we really have a moral standing to point fingers about the election results?
What will be our contribution to stopping this from being repeated in future?
Regards
Remember Matiba and his video cameras during the good old days of mulolongo voting?
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya
Tel: +254722511225
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There is a glass ceiling we need to break and it might be easiest to start in the cyber space for real progress to be made. 1. The easiest way out of this quagmire is to make the tribal issue insignificant by catalysing the birth of East Africa Community. We will be talking of 200 tribes forming the East Africa Country and out political priorities will be re-defined. 2. Alternatively, we might need to open up and discuss issues candidly without disciplining members. Consequently, we might need to outsource the evidence gathering of the mayhem to an independent consultant who can then give us clear verdict on who are the perpetrators of the problem and take them to an international court which will not be seen to have vested interests. One effort we are attempting to solidify is to get 'No Peace Without Justice' to help gather evidence independently. www.npwj.org In our ambit we can set up a website www.healingkenya.org with a public database where the Gakurus' and Yawes' and others can send their video, audio, images and opinion under aliases for scrutiny by the independent watchdog until we get to the bottom of this. On Jan 14, 2008 12:10 PM, brian <brian@caret.net> wrote:
I propose that we suspend the two who are using this list for ethnic arguments for 2 weeks. We must have discipline.
Brian Munyao Longwe
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:24:22 +0300, alice <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Dear Yawe and all
KICTANet is committed to and is contributing to the various peace and reconciliation efforts and therefore condemns any attempt to extend the crisis to virtual space.
So a reminder of some of the he rules once again.
Mind your manners and during this period mind them extra hard.....Don't send rude, political, tribal and offensive e-mails or postings.
* Be polite - virtual members are real not a cyberspace dunderheads with no feelings.
* Watch your words - We can't see your face, and the emotions in words can get misinterpreted.
* Kick the bad language - People are listening.
* Laws are laws - What's real in the real world are the same in cyberspace.
* Newbie tolerance - You're an expert in cyberspace, don't forget there are newbie's trying to learn as much as you had to.
* Be ethical in your posting. Don't lie, plagiarize, or deliberately do harm to another KICTANet forum user.
regards alice
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Hi, In principle I agree with the recommendations below. The main point being that *another forum is used for the dialoogue* On other mailing lists when members "misbehave" it is customary to suspend them for a period. If the perpetrators continue to ignore acceptable use recommendations and etiquette then they should be disciplined. That way everyone else on the list will be comfortable to confine themselves to the principle purposes for which the list was established..... and find other venues to vent/share off-topic items. B On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:52:49 +0300, Bill Kagai <mediacorp.research@mediacorp.co.ke> wrote:
There is a glass ceiling we need to break and it might be easiest to start in the cyber space for real progress to be made.
1. The easiest way out of this quagmire is to make the tribal issue insignificant by catalysing the birth of East Africa Community. We will be talking of 200 tribes forming the East Africa Country and out political priorities will be re-defined.
2. Alternatively, we might need to open up and discuss issues candidly without disciplining members. Consequently, we might need to outsource the evidence gathering of the mayhem to an independent consultant who can then give us clear verdict on who are the perpetrators of the problem and take them to an international court which will not be seen to have vested interests. One effort we are attempting to solidify is to get 'No Peace Without Justice' to help gather evidence independently. www.npwj.org In our ambit we can set up a website www.healingkenya.org with a public database where the Gakurus' and Yawes' and others can send their video, audio, images and opinion under aliases for scrutiny by the independent watchdog until we get to the bottom of this.
On Jan 14, 2008 12:10 PM, brian <brian@caret.net> wrote:
I propose that we suspend the two who are using this list for ethnic arguments for 2 weeks. We must have discipline.
Brian Munyao Longwe
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:24:22 +0300, alice <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Dear Yawe and all
KICTANet is committed to and is contributing to the various peace and reconciliation efforts and therefore condemns any attempt to extend
the
crisis to virtual space.
So a reminder of some of the he rules once again.
Mind your manners and during this period mind them extra hard.....Don't send rude, political, tribal and offensive e-mails or postings.
* Be polite - virtual members are real not a cyberspace dunderheads with no feelings.
* Watch your words - We can't see your face, and the emotions in words can get misinterpreted.
* Kick the bad language - People are listening.
* Laws are laws - What's real in the real world are the same in cyberspace.
* Newbie tolerance - You're an expert in cyberspace, don't forget there are newbie's trying to learn as much as you had to.
* Be ethical in your posting. Don't lie, plagiarize, or deliberately do harm to another KICTANet forum user.
regards alice
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I second that Brian, Its a disgrace we can have such postings on an international mailing list, Not at this time or at any other time for that matter Gakiria On 1/14/08, brian <brian@caret.net> wrote:
I propose that we suspend the two who are using this list for ethnic arguments for 2 weeks. We must have discipline.
Brian Munyao Longwe
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:24:22 +0300, alice <alice@apc.org> wrote:
Dear Yawe and all
KICTANet is committed to and is contributing to the various peace and reconciliation efforts and therefore condemns any attempt to extend the crisis to virtual space.
So a reminder of some of the he rules once again.
Mind your manners and during this period mind them extra hard.....Don't send rude, political, tribal and offensive e-mails or postings.
* Be polite - virtual members are real not a cyberspace dunderheads with no feelings.
* Watch your words - We can't see your face, and the emotions in words can get misinterpreted.
* Kick the bad language - People are listening.
* Laws are laws - What's real in the real world are the same in cyberspace.
* Newbie tolerance - You're an expert in cyberspace, don't forget there are newbie's trying to learn as much as you had to.
* Be ethical in your posting. Don't lie, plagiarize, or deliberately do harm to another KICTANet forum user.
regards alice
Dear Yawe,
I am sure my name has given me away too but I dont care much about that.
Suffice it to say that this is not a forum for bar talk and that kind of stuff. This is a place for serious discussions. I am sure this kind of responses can make people to unsubscribe from this list, or make others start defending their political stand.
For the years I have been a member of this list, I am sure Kictanet accommodates everybody irrespective of race, ethnic background or levels of development.
This is a list with people beyond Kenya, who are interested in ICT policy and other attendant issues. If everybody came to narrate such stories online, I wonder what we will do during our free time when we are supposed to engage in idle talk.
Let us restrict this kind of talk to political rallies and local pubs and let this forum be for serious ICT discussions. We must see beyond some of these things.
If you have any bone to pick with my contribution please reply to me directly and not to the list.
Walubengo has published guidelines on posting, I am sure he will be kind enough to re-post them just to remind ourselves how to conduct online discussions.
Best regards Becky Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message ---- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com>; ke-internetusers@bdix.net Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:26:09 AM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
Hi Alex,
If your name is a definite give away and I would have been more surprised if your contribution was any different.
Do not create a storm in a tea cub, the Kikuyu should head the adage "with great power comes great responsibility". By not uplifting the livelihood of your neighbours in Eldoret, Kisumu and Kuresoi you failed in your responsibility. Yes, you are your brothers keeper do not escape your right.
Taking us back to the days of your tribes existence as gatherers (sorry they still are) you are trying to justify your abdicated responsibility. Teach your pastoral and fishing neigbours how to better their lives and this problem will solve itself.
Take Raila's hand and show him how by taking EA Spectre and the Molasses plant public is the way of the future instead of selling everything to Trans Century. Teach Ruto that education is the land of the future, his mentor ruled us for 24 years longer than Kenyatta ruled yet Gatundu is still better off than Sacho.
It is time the Kikuyu accepted that they have misused their God given right to enrich yourselves and frustrate those you are responsible for.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225
----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 9:30:09 PM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
Greetings Robert,
Let break it down!
You mean every Kikuyu carries a "land thief" label on their forehead? Terrible thieves of indigenous lands they should all be. Hey, what am I saying? You live and your office is in Nairobi right? And Nairobi is a maasai name. oops! Then we are occupying indigenous maasai land and we should all vacate and go back to our ancestral homes to avoid massai rungus and spears.
Step 1
Kalenjin head back to Rift Valley, Luo back to Luo-Nyanza, Kikuyus to Central Kenya, Arabs, Waswahili back to the coast, Taita... etc etc.. all 42 communities ( or should I use tribes?)
Step 2
Before we unpack those sufurias, beddings, and bags and city life computers and modems. History says pssst! Look over here! Sorry Bantus, the Nigeria-Cameroon- Congo forest is where you belong you only came here 5,000 years ago (3000 BC) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu#Origins> And you Nilotics get up further north to the Sudan, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic), Cushitics back to the arab-asia origins. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages>
Step 3
If you noticed above Nilotics include Maa-speaking peoples who earlier chased you and me from their Nairobi. etc.. etc..
Step 4
Nearly forgot, Indians please the British only brought you here to construct Her/His Majesty's EAR and you have over-stayed. Get packing thank you very much for your labours. BTW, White Kenyans remember Europe is where your ancestors are? Everyone is going back home where they belongs. ok!
Step 5
If there are any Americans- Kenyans you go home as well. This is a hard one because once you get there, you then retrace where you came from because Native Americans claim that land. Australians the Aborigine wan their land back. Spanish Mexicans the Aztecs want back their land etc etc
Step 6
Kenya's permanent solution to the Eldoret "problem" as per Yawe has triggered an unprecedented global migration crisis and succeeded in removing everyone from Kenya. In other works, there is no Kenya because Kenya was an artificial invention of some British adventurers who have all been compelled to go back home.
Finally,
Everybody is now safely back in their home land and permanent peace prevails all over the world?
BTW regarding, "Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones before they flare up," I believe she must have been making reference to a KDN's business proposal because she works there and it's her job to look for new business. She's unlikely to share it with potential competitors on the list, at least I wouldn't:)
Nice debate, hit me!
Enjoy!
Alex
On Jan 8, 2008 8:04 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Hi Alex,
We know the genesis of the problems in Eldoret and whichever way the election went the killings and displacements there would still have
place. Stop bombarding God with insincere prayers, we pray together only to walk out of the judge and return to our tribal cocoons.
The history and progression of the tensions in Eldoret are well known and documented, it had nothing to do with the election results but Ruto finishing off what he begun in 1992 - 1997. Remember is the one of
taken the only
known participant in a cabinet meeting who was not a minister.
Give the land back to the Kalenjin it was taken away from them by the settlers but returned to the Kikuyu. If you want my added opinion if you decide to eat a frog eat a fat juicy one, if the Kikuyu's really want to remain in Eldoret let them make sure they have uninterrupted tracts of not less than 100 acres and stop promising your sons and daughters that
will inherit the land lets move to the new age, knowledge.
Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones before they flare up.
Lets stop useless rhetoric and apply our knowledge and skills to better run this country, stop using 18th century solutions for 22nd century problems. There are enough busy bodies dealing with the now and here of this crisis we need a group to look 20 years ahead to make sure that the child born in Eldoret, Nyeri or Kisumu today does not revert to the solutions of todays 20 year old.
Alex, I refuse to be pulled into a discussion that I cannot provide a workable solution that is within my skill set. Ask me for a techie solution to a problem then I am in my forte.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya
Tel: +254722511225
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Robert:
Firstly, I am not opposed to your expressed opinion but only calling on prioritisation of issues. We are lucky to be alive and in our offices typing away our diverse polls opinions and offering our best efforts in solving problems facing our suffering brothers and sisters.
But could we at this moment in time focus all our energies on solidifying returning peace and calm. Hard-line political positions, polls details, allegations or insinuations will neither console those that lost their loved ones, destroyed homes, property, and livelihoods. Accusations will not console fellow Kenyans and relatives since spending every night in the cold not because they committed any crime.
Let us all try a very difficult thing, forgiveness. Anger is easily inflames and spread whereas honest forgiveness is such a difficult thing for us to do. But why should we all forgive in the first place? some may ask.
I believe forgiveness should not be to please the aggressor, not to gain political mileage, settle political scores, or improve ones public image. We should not forgive to appear righteous to appease our religious leaders, cultural traditions, or our families.
We should forgive so that we save own selves from self-ruin. Save our futures from burdens of pain and grief. To break free chains of carrying burdens of hatred for the rest of our lives. For our conscience, hearts and minds to be unpolluted, pure and clear. To appreciate and focus on the beauty, value and to actualise sanctity of life every moment that we live. And to become soldiers of life, love, kindness, and fairness fellow beings.
What possibly could ever justify one taking the life of another? I simply could never find words strong enough to condemn such.
Therefore, my friend, let is not tire ourselves with politicians power self-interests when many are undergoing trauma. At this moment in time politicians interests bother me the least. Time will tell and I hope 10 years todays, this country will look back at this as the darkest cloud ever to have passed over our country.
Alex
On Jan 8, 2008 11:52 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
Happy new year to you all and I pray that you are all well.
It is shocking that in this day and age we can actually have the
electoral fiasco that has been visited on us by the ECK and Co as well as the political parties.
This draconian problem reared its head when the Orange house was broken into and the computers stolen. Hon.Nyongo's statement indicated that the objective was to steal the member register. If I needed to steal the register which from his comments was in electronic form what was
taking off with the computer. Has he ever heard of flash disks, external hard dis drives and CD/DVD writers. Technology allows me to steal his data without him every knowing.
After this issue Kivuiti dismissed the SMS service that had been made available by Telkom to enable voters confirm their details. He even went to the extent of saying he does not know how to send an SMS. As the IT fraternity in the country can we really escape blame for this fiasco?
The next time was when I saw Hon. Ruto standing at KICC and screaming himself hoarse over the forms 16 & 16A that had not been received. It seems he might be using a Nokia 1018 mobile phone (he actually uses a Nokia N series).
Was it so difficult for the opposition to provide each of their agents with a camera equipped mobile phone that they would have used to to take
of the form and also record the returning officer announcing the results. This would then have been easily sent to party head quarters.
There are 210 or so constituencies in the country and the mobile
kind of the need of pictures phones I am
talking about cost about 10,000/- each do the math.
I ask am I the only Kenyan who is aware of such technology or is
Rebecca Wanjiku wrote: they this
entire
fiasco a stage managed process. Even the EU observer teams came equipped as if it was the 12th Century after which they proceeded to make unsupported statements about the result that further inflamed bloodshed.
Maybe its a techie thing to keep in our glass houses and refuse to add value to a process and only send around message (this one included) after the fact.
It is re-assuring when we remember the Florida fiasco but this not withstanding do we really have a moral standing to point fingers about the election results?
What will be our contribution to stopping this from being repeated in future?
Regards
Remember Matiba and his video cameras during the good old days of mulolongo voting?
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya
Tel: +254722511225
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alice -
Bill Kagai -
brian -
Gakiria -
Rebecca Wanjiku