----- Original Message ----
From: Alex Gakuru <gakuru@gmail.com>
To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 9:30:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco

Greetings Robert,

Let break it down!

You mean every Kikuyu carries a "land thief" label on their forehead?
Terrible thieves of indigenous lands they should all be. Hey, what am
I saying? You live and your office is in Nairobi right? And Nairobi is
a maasai name. oops! Then we are occupying indigenous maasai land and
we should all vacate and go back to our ancestral homes to avoid
massai rungus and spears.

Step 1

Kalenjin head back to Rift Valley, Luo back to Luo-Nyanza, Kikuyus to
Central Kenya, Arabs, Waswahili back to the coast, Taita...  etc etc..
all 42 communities ( or should I use tribes?)

Step 2

Before we unpack those sufurias, beddings, and bags and city life
computers and modems. History says pssst! Look over here! Sorry
Bantus, the Nigeria-Cameroon-  Congo forest is where you belong you
only came here 5,000 years ago (3000 BC)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu#Origins> And you Nilotics get up
further north to the Sudan, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilotic),
Cushitics back to the arab-asia origins.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Asiatic_languages>

Step 3

If you noticed above Nilotics include Maa-speaking peoples who earlier
chased you and me from their Nairobi. etc.. etc..

Step 4

Nearly forgot, Indians please the British only brought you here to
construct Her/His Majesty's EAR and you have over-stayed. Get packing
thank you very much for your labours. BTW, White Kenyans remember
Europe is where your ancestors are? Everyone is going back home where
they belongs. ok!

Step 5

If there are any Americans- Kenyans you go home as well. This is a
hard one because once you get there, you then retrace where you came
from because Native Americans claim that land. Australians the
Aborigine wan their land back. Spanish Mexicans the Aztecs want back
their land etc etc

Step 6

Kenya's permanent solution to the Eldoret "problem" as per Yawe has
triggered an unprecedented global migration crisis and succeeded in
removing everyone from Kenya. In other works, there is no Kenya
because Kenya was an artificial invention of some British adventurers
who have all been compelled to go back home.

Finally,

Everybody is now safely back in their home land and permanent peace
prevails all over the world?

BTW regarding, "Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we
digitize the land ownership patterns so that we can easily identify
prospective problem zones before they flare up," I believe she must
have been making reference to a KDN's business proposal because she
works there and it's her job to look for new business. She's unlikely
to share it with potential competitors on the list, at least I
wouldn't:)

Nice debate, hit me!

Enjoy!

Alex

On Jan 8, 2008 8:04 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> We know the genesis of the problems in Eldoret and whichever way the
> election went the killings and displacements there would still have taken
> place.  Stop bombarding God with insincere prayers, we pray together only to
> walk out of the judge and return to our tribal cocoons.
>
> The history and progression of the tensions in Eldoret are well known and
> documented, it had nothing to do with the election results but Ruto
> finishing off what he begun in 1992 - 1997.  Remember is the one of the only
> known participant in a cabinet meeting who was not a minister.
>
> Give the land back to the Kalenjin it was taken away from them by the
> settlers but returned to the Kikuyu.  If you want my added opinion if you
> decide to eat a frog eat a fat juicy one, if the Kikuyu's really want to
> remain in Eldoret let them make sure they have uninterrupted tracts of not
> less than 100 acres and stop promising your sons and daughters that they
> will inherit the land lets move to the new age, knowledge.
>
> Evelyn brought out an interesting issue, can we digitize the land ownership
> patterns so that we can easily identify prospective problem zones before
> they flare up.
>
> Lets stop useless rhetoric and apply our knowledge and skills to better run
> this country, stop using 18th century solutions for 22nd century problems.
> There are enough busy bodies dealing with the now and here of this crisis we
> need a group to look 20 years ahead to make sure that the child born in
> Eldoret, Nyeri or Kisumu today does not revert to the solutions of todays 20
> year old.
>
> Alex, I refuse to be pulled into a discussion that I cannot provide a
> workable solution that is within my skill set.  Ask me for a techie solution
> to a problem then I am in my forte.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>  Robert Yawe
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> KEnya
>
> Tel: +254722511225
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: ke-users <ke-internetusers@bdix.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008 12:58:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Election process fiasco
>
> Robert:
>
> Firstly, I am not opposed to your expressed opinion but only calling
> on prioritisation of issues.  We are lucky to be alive and in our
> offices typing away our diverse polls opinions and offering our best
> efforts in solving problems facing our suffering brothers and sisters.
>
> But could we at this moment in time focus all our energies on
> solidifying returning peace and calm. Hard-line political positions,
> polls details, allegations or insinuations will neither console those
> that lost their loved ones, destroyed homes, property, and
> livelihoods. Accusations will not console fellow Kenyans and relatives
> since spending every night in the cold not because they committed any
> crime.
>
> Let us all try a very difficult thing, forgiveness. Anger is easily
> inflames and spread whereas honest forgiveness is such a difficult
> thing for us to do. But why should we all  forgive in the first place?
> some may ask.
>
> I believe forgiveness should not be to please the aggressor, not to
> gain political mileage, settle political scores, or improve ones
> public image. We should not  forgive to appear righteous to appease
> our religious leaders, cultural traditions, or our families.
>
> We should forgive so that we save own selves from self-ruin. Save our
> futures from burdens of pain and grief. To break free chains of
> carrying burdens of hatred for the rest of our lives. For our
> conscience, hearts and minds to be unpolluted, pure and clear. To
> appreciate and focus on the beauty, value and to actualise sanctity of
> life every moment that we live. And to become soldiers of life, love,
> kindness, and fairness fellow beings.
>
> What possibly could ever justify one taking the life of another? I
> simply could never find words strong enough to condemn such.
>
> Therefore, my friend, let is not tire ourselves with politicians power
> self-interests when  many are undergoing trauma. At this moment in
> time politicians interests bother me the least. Time will tell and I
> hope 10 years todays, this country will look back at this as the
> darkest cloud ever to have passed over our country.
>
> Alex
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 11:52 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Happy new year to you all and I pray that you are all well.
> >
> > It is shocking that in this day and age we can actually have the kind of
> > electoral fiasco that has been visited on us by the ECK and Co as well as
> > the political parties.
> >
> > This draconian problem reared its head when the Orange house was broken
> into
> > and the computers stolen.  Hon.Nyongo's statement indicated that the
> > objective was to steal the member register.  If I needed to steal the
> > register which from his comments was in electronic form what was the need
> of
> > taking off with the computer.  Has he ever heard of flash disks,
> external
> > hard dis drives and CD/DVD writers.  Technology allows me to steal his
> data
> > without him every knowing.
> >
> > After this issue Kivuiti dismissed the SMS service that had been made
> > available by Telkom to enable voters confirm their details.  He even went
> to
> > the extent of saying he does not know how to send an SMS.  As the IT
> > fraternity in the country can we really escape blame for this fiasco?
> >
> > The next time was when  I saw Hon. Ruto standing at KICC and screaming
> > himself hoarse over the forms 16 & 16A that had not been received.   It
> seems
> > he might be using a Nokia 1018 mobile phone (he actually uses a Nokia N
> > series).
> >
> > Was it so difficult for the opposition to provide each of their agents
> with
> > a camera equipped mobile phone that they would have used to to take
> pictures
> > of the form and also record the returning officer announcing the results.
> > This would then have been easily sent to party head quarters.
> >
> > There are 210 or so constituencies in the country and the mobile phones I
> am
> > talking about cost about 10,000/- each do the math.
> >
> > I ask am I the only Kenyan who is aware of such technology or is this
> entire
> > fiasco a stage managed process.  Even the EU observer teams came equipped
> as
> > if it was the 12th Century after which they proceeded to make unsupported
> > statements about the result that further inflamed bloodshed.
> >
> > Maybe its a techie thing to keep in our glass houses and refuse to add
> value
> > to a process and only send around message (this one included) after the
> > fact.
> >
> > It is re-assuring when we remember the Florida fiasco but this not
> > withstanding do we really have a moral standing to point fingers about the
> > election results?
> >
> > What will be our contribution to stopping this from being repeated in
> > future?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Remember Matiba and his video cameras during the good old days of
> mulolongo
> > voting?
> >
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > KEnya
> >
> > Tel: +254722511225
> >
> >
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