Re: [kictanet] Orange hoodwinked on Telkom purchase (Odhiambo Washington)
I have heard the story that Orange and PCK are having a hard time transitioning into commercial enterprises; there are just too many managers from the monopoly era when job holders performance wasn't an issue; one just required political patronage. Competition, perhaps, along with a new culture brought in by new leadership may be the answer. One last point: leadership in the telecoms sector is wholly held by people born outside Kenya; I am wondering what we have been doing for the last 47 years. Is it that we don't have people that fit the bill or because the change in ownership? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation…" - Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.
I have heard the story that Orange and PCK are having a hard time transitioning into commercial enterprises; there are just too many managers from the monopoly era when job holders performance wasn't an issue; one just required political patronage. Competition, perhaps, along with a new culture brought in by new leadership may be the answer. One last point: leadership in the telecoms sector is wholly held by people born outside Kenya; I am wondering what we have been doing for the last 47 years. Is it that we don't have people that fit the bill or because the change in ownership? Dkt- on your last point, changes in ownership has a definite role in this, that said, we still do not wholly seem to believe in ourselves enough to entrust “born Kenyan” to take up top positions in such organizations. A recent meeting with a someone “born outside of Kenya” and whom after working with for a while now - without a flinch noted that if I was to succeed in my business, I need to front my top managers with “born outside of Kenya” employees! (the individual is quite successful in getting an ear from many private and public institutions despite below par credentials) To what extent this influences hiring in the industry?, I have no idea, but one thing is for sure, ever since I had the conversation, I have noted that the “born outside of Kenya” do get the doors opened – both in the private and public sectors - SADLY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: <http://twitter.com/#%21/nmatunda> nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation…" - Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.
Hi I would first like to quote the late Jaramogi Odinga Oginga from the cover of his book "Not Yet Uhuru" (nothing to do with the Hague bound fellow) we need a liberation of the mind only then can we liberate the body. Those in government who decided that Telkom needed to be sold to foreigners need to liberate their minds of the notion that only a light skinned person carries in brain in their skulls. The rest of us are equally as guilty with our love for what is foreign and refuse to heed the cries of Ganthi where is wondered what did his grand mother wear before the white man came, a Sari and what does my wife wear, a Sari. The difference was the source of the material his grand mothers was local his wife's imported. Do you remember the All Africa games, reminds me of a book we read in school called the Government Inspector well that continues to date. The management fiascos at Orange are a clear indication that they are not superior to us, the Cheserems and Wawerus kept the organisation afloat with all the Shenanigans of those in government, I strongly believe if they where given the current environment they would be able to grow the business to greater heights. PCK does not need IBM consultants to tell them what they need to do to recover but since we, indigenous Kenyans, will do nothing for free then there goes the opportunity. Orange where hoodwinked by intelligent Kenyans who knew what they where doing, it is unfortunate that we cannot use the same skills and abilities for good. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 23 March, 2011 9:12:49 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Orange hoodwinked on Telkom purchase (Odhiambo Washington) I have heard the story that Orange and PCK are having a hard time transitioning into commercial enterprises; there are just too many managers from the monopoly era when job holders performance wasn't an issue; one just required political patronage. Competition, perhaps, along with a new culture brought in by new leadership may be the answer. One last point: leadership in the telecoms sector is wholly held by people born outside Kenya; I am wondering what we have been doing for the last 47 years. Is it that we don't have people that fit the bill or because the change in ownership? Dkt- on your last point, changes in ownership has a definite role in this, that said, we still do not wholly seem to believe in ourselves enough to entrust “born Kenyan” to take up top positions in such organizations. A recent meeting with a someone “born outside of Kenya” and whom after working with for a while now - without a flinch noted that if I was to succeed in my business, I need to front my top managers with “born outside of Kenya” employees! (the individual is quite successful in getting an ear from many private and public institutions despite below par credentials) To what extent this influences hiring in the industry?, I have no idea, but one thing is for sure, ever since I had the conversation, I have noted that the “born outside of Kenya” do get the doors opened – both in the private and public sectors - SADLY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation…" - Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 10:26 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi
I would first like to quote the late Jaramogi Odinga Oginga from the cover of his book "Not Yet Uhuru" (nothing to do with the Hague bound fellow) we need a liberation of the mind only then can we liberate the body.
Those in government who decided that Telkom needed to be sold to foreigners need to liberate their minds of the notion that only a light skinned person carries in brain in their skulls. The rest of us are equally as guilty with our love for what is foreign and refuse to heed the cries of Ganthi where is wondered what did his grand mother wear before the white man came, a Sari and what does my wife wear, a Sari. The difference was the source of the material his grand mothers was local his wife's imported.
Do you remember the All Africa games, reminds me of a book we read in school called the Government Inspector well that continues to date.
The management fiascos at Orange are a clear indication that they are not superior to us, the Cheserems and Wawerus kept the organisation afloat with all the Shenanigans of those in government, I strongly believe if they where given the current environment they would be able to grow the business to greater heights.
PCK does not need IBM consultants to tell them what they need to do to recover but since we, indigenous Kenyans, will do nothing for free then there goes the opportunity.
Orange where hoodwinked by intelligent Kenyans who knew what they where doing, it is unfortunate that we cannot use the same skills and abilities for good.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
My own view is that Telkom had to be sold so that foreigners could do the retrenchments without accusations of Tribalism. Now that they cleaned up they can leave if need be..
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Robert, You really know how to hurt. But Aung San Suu Kyi encourages me with very kind words "The only real prison is fear, and the only real freedom is freedom from fear". If we fear to do things because we shall be criticised, then we shall have not done much. I have great respect for local talent. The sale of TKL had nothing to do with the colour of those to run it. Indeed it was not part of the TOR. They happen to have been the highest bidders. We have learnt a great deal from the transaction and we have many years before our decisions can be judged the way you have done. The playing field has changed from your comparators. I am pretty sure even the best mind could not compete in the present day with a staff compliment of 19,000. IBM study was an exercise done on pro bono basis. It was not their colour because the outcome is what we all knew and it serves us well it authenticates our suspisions. Have a great day. Regards Ndemo.
Hi
I would first like to quote the late Jaramogi Odinga Oginga from the cover of his book "Not Yet Uhuru" (nothing to do with the Hague bound fellow) we need a liberation of the mind only then can we liberate the body.
Those in government who decided that Telkom needed to be sold to foreigners need to liberate their minds of the notion that only a light skinned person carries in brain in their skulls. The rest of us are equally as guilty with our love for what is foreign and refuse to heed the cries of Ganthi where is wondered what did his grand mother wear before the white man came, a Sari and what does my wife wear, a Sari. The difference was the source of the material his grand mothers was local his wife's imported.
Do you remember the All Africa games, reminds me of a book we read in school called the Government Inspector well that continues to date.
The management fiascos at Orange are a clear indication that they are not superior to us, the Cheserems and Wawerus kept the organisation afloat with all the Shenanigans of those in government, I strongly believe if they where given the current environment they would be able to grow the business to greater heights.
PCK does not need IBM consultants to tell them what they need to do to recover but since we, indigenous Kenyans, will do nothing for free then there goes the opportunity.
Orange where hoodwinked by intelligent Kenyans who knew what they where doing, it is unfortunate that we cannot use the same skills and abilities for good.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 23 March, 2011 9:12:49 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Orange hoodwinked on Telkom purchase (Odhiambo Washington)
I have heard the story that Orange and PCK are having a hard time transitioning into commercial enterprises; there are just too many managers from the monopoly era when job holders performance wasn't an issue; one just required political patronage.
Competition, perhaps, along with a new culture brought in by new leadership may be the answer.
One last point: leadership in the telecoms sector is wholly held by people born outside Kenya; I am wondering what we have been doing for the last 47 years. Is it that we don't have people that fit the bill or because the change in ownership?
Dkt- on your last point, changes in ownership has a definite role in this, that said, we still do not wholly seem to believe in ourselves enough to entrust âborn Kenyanâ to take up top positions in such organizations.
A recent meeting with a someone âborn outside of Kenyaâ and whom after working with for a while now - without a flinch noted that if I was to succeed in my business, I need to front my top managers with âborn outside of Kenyaâ employees! (the individual is quite successful in getting an ear from many private and public institutions despite below par credentials)
To what extent this influences hiring in the industry?, I have no idea, but one thing is for sure, ever since I had the conversation, I have noted that the âborn outside of Kenyaâ do get the doors opened â both in the private and public sectors - SADLY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen!
Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstationâ¦" - Anonymous -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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This problem of having JVs in Telecoms Industry skewed to the interest the foreign partners did not start with TKL. This goes back to the JV with Vodafone Group, where TKL held the shares on behalf of the GOK in Safaricom which was later completely de-linked from TKL to allow for competition in the mobile. The JV partner (Vodafone UK) was to provide management leadership (the CEO position) for a period of two years only, after which the successor was to be a Kenyan. This was later short-changed to suit the interest of the foreign partners, and the CEO position may now have to remain in their hands indefinitely, given the changes that have taken place in the shareholding. There was also to be a Deputy CEO position for a Kenyan, which was later scrapped after being advertised and interviews held. This is something that rarely happens elsewhere, and may not happen at all in their own countries. Surely, something needs to be done. It may therefore be necessary that these JVs are reviewed to create leadership opportunities for the local talents. Regards VKO. ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 3:17:52 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Orange hoodwinked on Telkom purchase (Odhiambo Washington) Robert, You really know how to hurt. But Aung San Suu Kyi encourages me with very kind words "The only real prison is fear, and the only real freedom is freedom from fear". If we fear to do things because we shall be criticised, then we shall have not done much. I have great respect for local talent. The sale of TKL had nothing to do with the colour of those to run it. Indeed it was not part of the TOR. They happen to have been the highest bidders. We have learnt a great deal from the transaction and we have many years before our decisions can be judged the way you have done. The playing field has changed from your comparators. I am pretty sure even the best mind could not compete in the present day with a staff compliment of 19,000. IBM study was an exercise done on pro bono basis. It was not their colour because the outcome is what we all knew and it serves us well it authenticates our suspisions. Have a great day. Regards Ndemo.
Hi
I would first like to quote the late Jaramogi Odinga Oginga from the cover of his book "Not Yet Uhuru" (nothing to do with the Hague bound fellow) we need a liberation of the mind only then can we liberate the body.
Those in government who decided that Telkom needed to be sold to foreigners need to liberate their minds of the notion that only a light skinned person carries in brain in their skulls. The rest of us are equally as guilty with our love for what is foreign and refuse to heed the cries of Ganthi where is wondered what did his grand mother wear before the white man came, a Sari and what does my wife wear, a Sari. The difference was the source of the material his grand mothers was local his wife's imported.
Do you remember the All Africa games, reminds me of a book we read in school called the Government Inspector well that continues to date.
The management fiascos at Orange are a clear indication that they are not superior to us, the Cheserems and Wawerus kept the organisation afloat with all the Shenanigans of those in government, I strongly believe if they where given the current environment they would be able to grow the business to greater heights.
PCK does not need IBM consultants to tell them what they need to do to recover but since we, indigenous Kenyans, will do nothing for free then there goes the opportunity.
Orange where hoodwinked by intelligent Kenyans who knew what they where doing, it is unfortunate that we cannot use the same skills and abilities for good.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 23 March, 2011 9:12:49 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Orange hoodwinked on Telkom purchase (Odhiambo Washington)
I have heard the story that Orange and PCK are having a hard time transitioning into commercial enterprises; there are just too many managers from the monopoly era when job holders performance wasn't an issue; one just required political patronage.
Competition, perhaps, along with a new culture brought in by new leadership may be the answer.
One last point: leadership in the telecoms sector is wholly held by people born outside Kenya; I am wondering what we have been doing for the last 47 years. Is it that we don't have people that fit the bill or because the change in ownership?
Dkt- on your last point, changes in ownership has a definite role in this, that said, we still do not wholly seem to believe in ourselves enough to entrust “born Kenyan” to take up top positions in such organizations.
A recent meeting with a someone “born outside of Kenya” and whom after working with for a while now - without a flinch noted that if I was to succeed in my business, I need to front my top managers with “born outside of Kenya” employees! (the individual is quite successful in getting an ear from many private and public institutions despite below par credentials)
To what extent this influences hiring in the industry?, I have no idea, but one thing is for sure, ever since I had the conversation, I have noted that the “born outside of Kenya” do get the doors opened – both in the private and public sectors - SADLY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen!
Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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