Anyone with background info on new DG? Google only has the appointment dd 21/7 On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:24 +0300, "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina@madeinken ya.org> said: I would assume Nyaki meant "effective engagement" rather than "effective management" Regards Wainaina On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Catherine Adeya <[1]elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote: Walu, Your suggestion for 3.5 is good though I think it should simply be 'How to organize Associations for Effective Managment with the Government. Unless I heard wrong, KTN Sunrise news this morning announced Mr Charles Kinyanjui Njoroge as the new CCK DG. Nyaki ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <[2]jwalu@yahoo.com> To: [3]elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[4]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:31:33 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Forum Agenda - Lets focus Harry, Indeed it would be a public forum - but to what extend has the message gone outside Nairobi given that most listservers have subscribers in NRB? Maybe there's need to have the traditional notice in the print media. As for the Agenda proposed and copied below, 1. Forum Objectives 2. Association presentations 3. General Discussion 4. Way forward I would add - 3.5. How to Organise the different Associations for effective engagement with Govt. walu. nb: meanwhile, unconfirmed reports from my moles indicate that a new DG for CCK has been unveiled. Anybody with such a copy? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [5]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke [6]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [7]wainaina@madeinkenya.org Unsubscribe or change your options at [8]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainai na%40madeinkenya.org -- Made in Kenya Network P. O. Box 72031 - 00200 Nairobi. Kenya Tel: +254-20-3590451 Cel: +254-722-811171 Cel: +254-735-370840 [9]www.madeinkenya.org [10]www.bungesms.com [11]www.pamonet.org References 1. mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com 2. mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com 3. mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com 4. mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke 5. mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke 6. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet 7. mailto:wainaina@madeinkenya.org 8. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina@madeinkenya.or... 9. http://www.madeinkenya.org/ 10. http://www.bungesms.com/ 11. http://www.pamonet.org/ People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).

I saw the white smoke from Kangemi area yesterday evening... How? I read Monday's Business Daily 1 early. it's out by Sunday nights:) On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:

IMHO Njoroge has been "the power behind the throne" for every one of the last DGs. I think he will make an excellent leader. His time has come. Congrats Bw Njoroge Brian Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2008, at 9:32 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:

Anyone with background info on new DG? Google only has the appointment dd 21/7

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:24 +0300, "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> said:

I would assume Nyaki meant "effective engagement" rather than "effective management"

Regards Wainaina

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

Walu,

Your suggestion for 3.5 is good though I think it should simply be 'How to organize Associations for Effective Managment with the Government.

Unless I heard wrong, KTN Sunrise news this morning announced Mr Charles Kinyanjui Njoroge as the new CCK DG.

Nyaki

----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:31:33 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Forum Agenda - Lets focus

Harry,

Indeed it would be a public forum - but to what extend has the message gone outside Nairobi given that most listservers have subscribers in NRB? Maybe there's need to have the traditional notice in the print media.

As for the Agenda proposed and copied below, 1. Forum Objectives 2. Association presentations 3. General Discussion 4. Way forward

I would add - 3.5. How to Organise the different Associations for effective engagement with Govt.

walu. nb: meanwhile, unconfirmed reports from my moles indicate that a new DG for CCK has been unveiled. Anybody with such a copy?

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Shem: This is the one in which you must declare your interest. This sounds to me as a question of "rotten eggs". From where I am standing it sounds like you are bitter because you were never considered. But let me remind you that in the very short past you were senior official of a government parastatal. The minister in charge - or whoever - considered it a National Duty to fire you and proceed to prosecute you for mismanagement. The case - as you are likely to say - has not been settled. It would really be a case of bad governance for anyone to consider you for a senior position when you "failed" in the last one the government trusted you with. The days of Kenyatta and Moi moving their people from one position to another - raping these parastatals as they go - are dying if not dead. It is good to see that the Government has appointed someone with a clean - unless I am mistaken - record to this most important jobs. I personally do not care who you are as long as you can do your job. The Dir of CCK does not have to be an engineer he can be whoever he wants to be as long as he manages CCK as it should managed - to the benefit of the mwananchi. In the US, the FCC in most times has been headed by lawyers not by communication engineers. If he can manage the process of moving this industry forward, I say, more power to him. JOe On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dougi,

Of course Google (and its variants!) has never been the only method to gauge qualification! Sadly, it is/they are the only measure we have these days, especially for ICT!

Brian, I have never known in any profession what you say to be a parameter for qualification or eligibility. Otherwise if it were, wouldn't people like Atieno Ochola (gender notwithstanding), Matano Ndaro, Michael Katundu, John Omo, and many more at CCK be as much deserving?

Lest am asked: 'declare your interest', let me do so. The other day I noticed an MP (who is either a present or past CCK director) contribute to a motion on CCK without 'declaring interest'; he was lucky to get away with it. I too applied for this job, not because I expected to be considered, but to find out if Kenya had changed; if we had moved on to a New Kenya where it didn't matter where [in Kenya] you came from, who you knew, whose son/daughter you had married, etc. We do not seem to have learnt from the events of the turn of the [last] year! Kenya appears to be sitting on a time bomb. Formation of the coalition does not seem to have detonated it.

I have previously contended that Kenyan informaticians are endangered. How right I am/was. The words 'mediocricity, political expediency, ethnic bigotry' keep ringing on my ears. So, it now appears we cannot find an eligible informatician to lead CCK and we have to get an economist! I wait for the day, for instance, when the IMF shall be headed by an informatician, or one James Rege shall be Finance Minister! Short of the ICT professionals organizing themselves and regaining their space, we have a long wait.

Best rgrds,

Shem

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From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: "Shem Ochuodho" <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:54 PM

IMHO Njoroge has been "the power behind the throne" for every one of the last DGs. I think he will make an excellent leader. His time has come.

Congrats Bw Njoroge

Brian Sent from my iPhone

On 21 Jul 2008, at 9:32 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:

Anyone with background info on new DG? Google only has the appointment dd 21/7

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:24 +0300, "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> said:

I would assume Nyaki meant "effective engagement" rather than "effective management"

Regards Wainaina

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Catherine Adeya < <elizaslider@yahoo.com> elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

Walu,

Your suggestion for 3.5 is good though I think it should simply be 'How to organize Associations for Effective Managment with the Government.

Unless I heard wrong, KTN Sunrise news this morning announced Mr Charles Kinyanjui Njoroge as the new CCK DG.

Nyaki

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Harry,

Indeed it would be a public forum - but to what extend has the message gone outside Nairobi given that most listservers have subscribers in NRB? Maybe there's need to have the traditional notice in the print media.

As for the Agenda proposed and copied below, 1. Forum Objectives 2. Association presentations 3. General Discussion 4. Way forward

I would add - 3.5. How to Organise the different Associations for effective engagement with Govt.

walu. nb: meanwhile, unconfirmed reports from my moles indicate that a new DG for CCK has been unveiled. Anybody with such a copy?

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Shem: Consider me an idiot - like someone recently said - but what is "informatician". I have been in this industry for a very long time - when you were still a student in the US before ARCC - and this is the first time I have heard of this word. Lets elevate this discussion beyond personalities and let me say this: the job of the DG of CCK, as well as all the major parastatal and government appointments are political and by such simple discription is controversial. Even if the GOK had appointed you or other higher "qualified" "informatician" there would have been other people like you who would have complained about "your" appointment. Therefore dwelling on who holds that position - as long as they are Kenyans - is not doing us any good. What all of us need to do is get out of government dole - stop depending on the GOK to provide you a job - and go out and create work for you and other Kenyans who have likewise been disposessed. Otherwise we will be second guessing what the govt is doing till the cows come home. First time to agree with Donald Rumsfeld - but in this case we have to work with the DG the GOK has given us. Give the new CCK DG a chance to fail and then I will join you in screaming my head off to have him removed. But for now it does really sound like "sour grapes" - ahha that is the correct terminology this time. Your argument notwithstanding you "can not cast the first stone". Many of us will say "rotten mangoes" Joe On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> wrote:

Joe,

I have heard this argument many times before from non-ICT professionals. Granted, there are exceptional cases where a non-sector-professional can manage well a sector; but such cases are very rare and far between. How come it is only in ICT where we feel anyone and everyone can be 'an expert'? How come Kenyatta Hospital - or any other major hospital for that matter - is more often than not headed by a medical doctor? How come the head of the Medical Registration Board is always(?) a Doctor? And that's a 'regulatory' function! That it happens in the US doesn't necessarily sanctify it. Besides, I wonder how often the FCC has been led by an economist - or 'any other person' for that matter. Or are we saying there are no competent informaticians who can manage well?

More than anything else, it is vital that criteria are spelt out, are clear and selections are transparently processed. Joe, the Kenyan professional ICT scene is fairly thin; almost everyone knows everyone. I don't know if it is true, but someone once told me that he heard one of the major Grand Opposition crusaders remark: 'if Chris Okemo was appointed Minister and I was left out, I would understand'. Yet that is politics, where rules take a back banner! How I wish we would say the same for all government appointments, including the CCK one! From the Kenyan ICT professionals I interact with, a lot of work will need to be done to restore confidence in the sector. That it is not said loudly enough does not mean things are fine.

Now, you try to take me back to the KPC matter: for the n'th time, I am the one who took the State to court. Would you care to imagine vested interests could have been reasons for my removal? Anyhow, once again let me elevate this discussion beyond personification. I know of several other competent and qualified informaticians who applied for the position. My point is, fairness can only be seen when one can say with a straight face: 'yes, there were these good candidates, but XYZ beat them in a, b, c, d". Btw, I was talking recently to a UoN Law Student. He reckoned he was tongue-tied when a new CEO of another state corporation was being introduced in the media. It started like "s/he was a class prefect ...". Unless we take it that "whatever govt does must be right", then we are deceiving ourselves. Short of upholding professionalism and merit, we are done. If you asked me what Kenya needs most today, I would say 'inspirational leadership'. Without professionalism, merit, good governance aka integrity, transparency, confidence, etc, we cannot inspire or prosper; or rather we cannot prosper as fast we should.

Rgrds,

Shem

--- On *Wed, 7/23/08, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com>* wrote:

From: Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: shemochuodho@yahoo.com Cc: "New Vision List" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, "Robert Onyango-Alai" <alai.robert@gmail.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 11:22 AM

Shem: This is the one in which you must declare your interest. This sounds to me as a question of "rotten eggs". From where I am standing it sounds like you are bitter because you were never considered. But let me remind you that in the very short past you were senior official of a government parastatal. The minister in charge - or whoever - considered it a National Duty to fire you and proceed to prosecute you for mismanagement. The case - as you are likely to say - has not been settled.

It would really be a case of bad governance for anyone to consider you for a senior position when you "failed" in the last one the government trusted you with. The days of Kenyatta and Moi moving their people from one position to another - raping these parastatals as they go - are dying if not dead.

It is good to see that the Government has appointed someone with a clean - unless I am mistaken - record to this most important jobs. I personally do not care who you are as long as you can do your job. The Dir of CCK does not have to be an engineer he can be whoever he wants to be as long as he manages CCK as it should managed - to the benefit of the mwananchi. In the US, the FCC in most times has been headed by lawyers not by communication engineers. If he can manage the process of moving this industry forward, I say, more power to him.

JOe

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

Dougi,

Of course Google (and its variants!) has never been the only method to gauge qualification! Sadly, it is/they are the only measure we have these days, especially for ICT!

Brian, I have never known in any profession what you say to be a parameter for qualification or eligibility. Otherwise if it were, wouldn't people like Atieno Ochola (gender notwithstanding), Matano Ndaro, Michael Katundu, John Omo, and many more at CCK be as much deserving?

Lest am asked: 'declare your interest', let me do so. The other day I noticed an MP (who is either a present or past CCK director) contribute to a motion on CCK without 'declaring interest'; he was lucky to get away with it. I too applied for this job, not because I expected to be considered, but to find out if Kenya had changed; if we had moved on to a New Kenya where it didn't matter where [in Kenya] you came from, who you knew, whose son/daughter you had married, etc. We do not seem to have learnt from the events of the turn of the [last] year! Kenya appears to be sitting on a time bomb. Formation of the coalition does not seem to have detonated it.

I have previously contended that Kenyan informaticians are endangered. How right I am/was. The words 'mediocricity, political expediency, ethnic bigotry' keep ringing on my ears. So, it now appears we cannot find an eligible informatician to lead CCK and we have to get an economist! I wait for the day, for instance, when the IMF shall be headed by an informatician, or one James Rege shall be Finance Minister! Short of the ICT professionals organizing themselves and regaining their space, we have a long wait.

Best rgrds,

Shem

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Washington: The appointment of a DG, as I said, is political. This we have to live with. Instead of Shem giving the guy a chance to fail, he automatically starts complaining about what criteria was used to appoint him after failing to be considered. What does that tell you about Shem? All I am saying is that anyone in his right mind would not hire someone who has been accused of gross mismanagement of a very high profile parastatal. And therefore complaining of the DG's appointment using such flimsy reasons as that he is not an "informatician" - whatever that means - lends itself to questions about impropriety. The DG is a manager, he is not a technician. Now if he was appointed to discuss original thoughts about technical issues then we would have a problem. In every country I know Spectrum allocation is an economic issue and not a technical one. In this case the DG - if that is the criteria under contention - is more qualified in my book than Shem. Further there is no cloud hunging over his head. Joe On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

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Shem: This is the one in which you must declare your interest. This sounds to me as a question of "rotten eggs". From where I am standing it sounds like you are bitter because you were never considered. But let me remind you that in the very short past you were senior official of a government parastatal. The minister in charge - or whoever - considered it a National Duty to fire you and proceed to prosecute you for mismanagement. The case - as you are

...

to say - has not been settled.

It would really be a case of bad governance for anyone to consider you for a senior position when you "failed" in the last one the government trusted you with. The days of Kenyatta and Moi moving their people from one position to another - raping these parastatals as they go - are dying if not dead.

It is good to see that the Government has appointed someone with a clean

...

unless I am mistaken - record to this most important jobs. I personally do not care who you are as long as you can do your job. The Dir of CCK does not have to be an engineer he can be whoever he wants to be as long as he manages CCK as it should managed - to the benefit of the mwananchi. In

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote: likely - the

...

US, the FCC in most times has been headed by lawyers not by communication engineers. If he can manage the process of moving this industry forward, I say, more power to him.

Hi Joe,

I think you lost missed the point Dr. Shem was trying to put across. I can summarize what he said as follows:

1. Appointments in KE are still skewed towards certain considerations which we hoped had been shelved. 2. It's more appropriate to have an informatician, as opposed to an economist, lead an organization like CCK.

He did not say anything like it should be led by Dr. Shem Ochuodho. As regards the court cases, doesn't it still hold true that you are innocent until proved guilty?

Your response to Dr. Ochuodho was not objective, but personal. I hold it that getting personal never addresses the issues.

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Washington: I am not being personal, everything I have stated here is either what Shem has said himself and what is in public record. One thing about democracy is that the person in power appoints his people. When that person is off power, all his people are replace with those of the new "presidents" political persuasion. I do not see what you guys are whining about. Under the circumstances, the current leadership would have appointed a village idiot to run CCK because according to them the idiot was qualified and there would have been nothing wrong with that. You are listening way too much to the WB/IFC to be of any good to the country. This guy has worked in CCK - as someone else has stated. He probably knows more about deregulation and ICT than 90% of the subscribers to this list - me and Shem included - because deregulation is an economic concept. I expect him to lead the CCK into the right direction. Having some ICT knowledge does not make you a good Regulator Manager. The problem with people complaining too much is that their audience stops listening. Give the guy a chance and stop whining about who should and who should not have been appointed. And thats my last 2 cents JOe On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote:

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Washington: The appointment of a DG, as I said, is political. This we have to live with. Instead of Shem giving the guy a chance to fail, he automatically starts complaining about what criteria was used to appoint him after failing to be considered. What does that tell you about Shem?

He did not whine about having failed to be considered. I'd still like to stand by the summary I gave of how I understood him.

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All I am saying is that anyone in his right mind would not hire someone who has been accused of gross mismanagement of a very high profile parastatal.

Accused. That's the point. He's not convicted as yet, though in your mind you've done just that - convicted him!

...

And therefore complaining of the DG's appointment using such flimsy reasons as that he is not an "informatician" - whatever that means - lends itself to questions about impropriety.

"informatician" - I did not look it up from any dictionary, but the way I saw it, anyone on this list would easily know what he meant from the context. How comes you don't? Anway, I personally do agree with his "flimsy" reasons, since I'd have loved to see someone with the "relevant industry" qualifications (as opposed to "relevant political" qualifications) being appointed to such a position. Political considerations for appointments should have been shelved looong time. IIRC, there was strong proposition sometimes back for such appointments to be vetted by parliament. How this became a cropper is so clear in my mind, but is OT for this list so I will not delve into it.

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The DG is a manager, he is not a technician. Now if he was appointed to discuss original thoughts about technical issues then we would have a problem.

You miss the point once again! The manager, without having clear and better understanding of what the "technician" is talking about, will always swing towards the whims of his/her political masters, the technicians best-interests notwithstanding. I'd hate to try to make an economist officiate on ICT-related issues which have no bias towards economics (and that would be shallow anyway). If you were appointed to be the CEO of a Kenyatta national Hospital and you aren't a doctor by profession, guess where the hospital would be headed? In summary, Dr. Ochuodho strong proposition was to have industry-related qualifications considered for such appointments, not political.

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In every country I know Spectrum allocation is an economic issue and not a technical one.

A very simple case that I know of: Sometimes back, FM stations in Nairobi were ordered by CCK to have their transmitters moved from where they were installed initially to Limuru, because there were so much frequency interference. Some stations even jammed their competitors. I don't want to indulge further into this, but I think the initial decision to let the transmitters be installed was approved by the "manager".

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In this case the DG - if that is the criteria under contention - is more qualified in my book than Shem.

What Dr. Shem (let me be fair to his rightly earned titles as well) inferred was simply "to have doctors run hospitals". I did not see (or maybe I was selective in my reading) anywhere where he cast aspersions on the person of the DG.

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Further there is no cloud hunging over his head.

I maintain that such cloud is none of our business in this forum. Why don't you stay focused on the issues relevant to the subject, than getting personal?

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See below On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

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Washington: I am not being personal, everything I have stated here is either what Shem has said himself and what is in public record. One thing about democracy is that the person in power appoints his people. When that person is off

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote: power,

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all his people are replace with those of the new "presidents" political persuasion. I do not see what you guys are whining about.

In the US, the person in power appoints, and the appointee gets vetted by Congress, which has the rights to refuse such an appointment, yes? That is democracy. In Kenya, where noone can vet, do you still call it democracy?

That is Parliament's problem not CCK or of this forum. If the parliament does not want to exercise its prerogative to change laws that allow it to oversee parastatals who are to complain if appointments are skewed to one side. The only other recourse you and I have is to make sure that we vote the right candidate in - that is Democracy. We have a new parliament lets hope they listen to you. BTW: If you did not know it Dr Shem Ochuodho was an MP. Did he table a motion to give the parliament powers to oversee appointment of CCK DGs? I do not know

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Under the circumstances, the current leadership would have appointed a village idiot to run CCK because according to them the idiot was qualified and there would have been nothing wrong with that. You are listening way too much to the WB/IFC to be of any good to the country. This guy has worked in CCK - as someone else has stated. He probably knows more about deregulation and ICT than 90% of the subscribers to this list - me and Shem included - because deregulation is an economic concept. I expect him to lead the CCK into the right direction.

Having some ICT knowledge does not make you a good Regulator Manager. The problem with people complaining too much is that their audience stops listening.

Give the guy a chance and stop whining about who should and who should not have been appointed.

So according to you, the status quo is equally good? Then surely, I believe you are wrongly in this list, which seeks to establish changes by coming up with policies that can see this country move to the next level!

You are reverting back to stone age arguments. This is a political argument. I do not know the new guy, so neither do you. And therefore you do not know his capability. Give him a chance to prove himself. After all I am sure the full cabinet including the PM's office was in on the appointment. Did they raise hell because of his appointment? No. They obviously know something you or I do not. Again - from studying places where Regulation and Deregulation has happening - you do not need an "informatician" - whatever that is - to run an ICT house or a regulator. An example: - Steve Ballmer can't write a single line of code - Ratan Tata probably does not know what an RJ45 cable is - To name a few These two guys are running some of the best run ICT companies in the world Joe

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Bryan Well said New Vision is their way of saying that unless things go there way they shall scream and holler corruption all day long. As in this case. Let's use this case as an example - Shem thinks he should be the new DG not because he has the relevant experience but because he has a PhD in "imformatician" From what you have indicated they seem to have made the right decision. Joe Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2008, at 5:33 AM, "Brian Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:

Wow,

I think you guys are now just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Some facts to help clear the air.

1) Mr. Njoroge has been with CCK since it's inception 2) Mr. Njoroge has been working as second violin to all of the preceding DGs 3) The position was advertised broadly in all the local dailies by a reputable International "Executive Appointments" firm 4) The said firm processed applications, came up with a short list, presented this to the CCK board 5) CCK board interviewed all candidates 6) CCK Board conducted follow up interviews on all candidates who passed first interview 7) CCK Board independently selected the highest scoring candidate ... Mr. Njoroge 8) CCK Board forwarded their recommendation to the Minister/President 9) A lot of politicians tried to "get their man in" - thus wasting a lot of time 10) The Minister/President did the wise thing and ratified the Board's recommendation 11) Mr. Njoroge was announced as the new DG

Is this the way things should be done? Yes! Should we wish/hope for our Government to use a different approach? No!

So I'm happy and elated that we for the first time have a DG who has served in/with the regulator for over 8 years.

As Manthi has put it - let us see if he can deliver - I have a feeling he will.

Regards,

Brian

ps - what is this New Vision list I see copied whenever Shem is mentioned?

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote: See below

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wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote: Washington: I am not being personal, everything I have stated here is either what Shem has said himself and what is in public record. One thing about democracy is that the person in power appoints his people. When that person is off power, all his people are replace with those of the new "presidents"

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com political

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persuasion. I do not see what you guys are whining about.

In the US, the person in power appoints, and the appointee gets vetted by Congress, which has the rights to refuse such an appointment, yes? That is democracy. In Kenya, where noone can vet, do you still call it democracy?

That is Parliament's problem not CCK or of this forum. If the parliament does not want to exercise its prerogative to change laws that allow it to oversee parastatals who are to complain if appointments are skewed to one side. The only other recourse you and I have is to make sure that we vote the right candidate in - that is Democracy. We have a new parliament lets hope they listen to you.

BTW: If you did not know it Dr Shem Ochuodho was an MP. Did he table a motion to give the parliament powers to oversee appointment of CCK DGs?

I do not know

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Under the circumstances, the current leadership would have appointed a village idiot to run CCK because according to them the idiot was qualified and there would have been nothing wrong with that. You are listening way too much to the WB/IFC to be of any good to the country. This guy has worked in CCK - as someone else has stated. He probably knows more about deregulation and ICT than 90% of the subscribers to this list - me and Shem included - because deregulation is an economic concept. I expect him to lead the CCK into the right direction.

Having some ICT knowledge does not make you a good Regulator Manager. The problem with people complaining too much is that their audience stops listening.

Give the guy a chance and stop whining about who should and who should not have been appointed.

So according to you, the status quo is equally good? Then surely, I believe you are wrongly in this list, which seeks to establish changes by coming up with policies that can see this country move to the next level!

You are reverting back to stone age arguments.

This is a political argument. I do not know the new guy, so neither do you. And therefore you do not know his capability. Give him a chance to prove himself. After all I am sure the full cabinet including the PM's office was in on the appointment. Did they raise hell because of his appointment? No. They obviously know something you or I do not.

Again - from studying places where Regulation and Deregulation has happening - you do not need an "informatician" - whatever that is - to run an ICT house or a regulator.

An example: - Steve Ballmer can't write a single line of code - Ratan Tata probably does not know what an RJ45 cable is - To name a few

These two guys are running some of the best run ICT companies in the world

Joe

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For the avoidance of doubt, I only joked, but had never applied for CCK Chief job;) I suspect "my tenure" would have been very biased towards consumers..... Me pleased with the "white smoke" and now revving to resume "constructive engagements" full throttle. Irrespective of whom, male or female, occupies what office I find it fit and proper to engage with institutions: - 1. Cognizant of their legal mandate 2. Stated operationalisation policies 3. Laid out administrative procedures 4. Effective governance systems 5. Delivery on national expectations 6. Non-performance of duties/obligations 7. Overall obligations to society Otherwise ISSUES become clouded or submerged in murky tar pits. Then a thread "Let's focus on ICT Policy issues" is recycled;) I rest this one here.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:55 AM, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:

I think I have to support Manthi on this one. We cannot wish away Political influence on such an important and strategic appointment - infact it could be suicidal to do so.

I havent talked to Shem or the other un-succesfull contenders (pretenders?) for the post but I am 100% sure that they must have tried to get their political godfathers to say a good word for them too. If they didn't have any political godfathers, then they should have prudently declined to apply for the job (like me ;-)

So guys, stop talking criteria only when things do not go your way. Instead lets congratulate the new DG because economist, engineer, lawyer, informatician or whatever - he did go to school and has the experience to deal with the office. Our role may be more useful in demanding deliverables from him rather splitting hair on why he was appointed and we were left out.

walu.

Hi Walu, I agree in part with you, about the demand for deliverables from him, but I still stand against the mode of appointment, where I'll stand with the other side of this debate. I sign out of this thread with the following quote: "When we blindly adopt any religion, political system, or literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow." -- Anais Nin -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post

I think I have to support Manthi on this one. We cannot wish away Political influence on such an important and strategic appointment - infact it could be suicidal to do so.

I havent talked to Shem or the other un-succesfull contenders (pretenders?) for the post but I am 100% sure that

Public Sector appointments MUST be on MERIT. Period. Accepting other avenues such as "Political Appointment" is a sad commentary on our state of affairs given that this list is for the enlightened and intellectuals. If indeed such appointments exist they must be condemned. Those saying that appointments exist that are best described as "Political" rather than "Meritorious" should indicate whether or not they believe in or are resigned to such appointments. This is an advocacy list, right? Advocacy is about reaching for an ideal and not accepting what you do not believe in. It goes beyond just observing what is going on. Does it make sense to be trying to "digitize" our society if in the background that society is not a Meritocracy? In Kenya, political affiliation is generally tribal-based. This axiomatically elevates the term "Political Appointment" to the realm of euphemism...... And this further creates the social instability we are aware of during election time, as this is the time for each community to position itself, through utra-Machiavellian means where necessary, to "eat" through "political appointments". Not committing ourselves to merit can only leave us with a "Mediocracy" compounded by brain-drain (as our top brains get disillutioned) and, at worst, social instability/war. Let us build Kenya by promoting those ideas that build us and not resigning ourselves to compromises. Ordinary Kenyans are watching to see how we, the enligtened, are thinking so that they can follow our example. Waudo On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:57:27 -0400, "Joseph Manthi" <jmanthi@gmail.com> s aid: WO: "When we blindly adopt any religion, political system, or literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow." -- Anais Nin Ditto Joe On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Odhiambo Washington <[1]odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:55 AM, John Walubengo <[2]jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: they must have tried to get their political godfathers to say a good word for them too. If they didn't have any political godfathers, then they should have prudently declined to apply for the job (like me ;-)

So guys, stop talking criteria only when things do not go

your way. Instead lets congratulate the new DG because economist, engineer, lawyer, informatician or whatever - he did go to school and has the experience to deal with the office. Our role may be more useful in demanding deliverables from him rather splitting hair on why he was appointed and we were left out.

walu.

Hi Walu, I agree in part with you, about the demand for deliverables from him, but I still stand against the mode of appointment, where I'll stand with the other side of this debate. I sign out of this thread with the following quote: "When we blindly adopt any religion, political system, or literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow." -- Anais Nin -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [3]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke [4]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [5]jmanthi@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at [6]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jmanth i%40gmail.com -- Joseph Manthi CEO MEO Ltd [7]http://www.meoltd.com References 1. mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com 2. mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com 3. mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke 4. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet 5. mailto:jmanthi@gmail.com 6. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jmanthi@gmail.com 7. http://www.meoltd.com/ People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes people work (Confucius).

Waudo Great theoretical discourse on meritocracy but I must stand up for reason. Democracy is a bad system of government that awards winners with take all attitudes and ability to run governments the way they wish but it is the best we have today. And it is better than any other form of government. That reminds me of Fidel Catro's democracy where though he is the sitting revolutionary leader he subjects most significant state

On 26 Jul 2008, at 17:48, Joseph Manthi wrote: policies to a referendum and if they people vote against it, he does not have his way. In more ways than not Cuba has a social regime that is working, take health, education, agriculture. That country has being a leading comrade of Africa so may be it is time to learn some of their good elements. May be the "African democracy" should be a combination of votting for the political office and also votting on the policies they pursue and how they pursue it. Am a firm believe in an evolution of democracy that would suit our context.

The sooner we, as Kenyans, realize that every single senior position from Ministers to PS to all senior parastatals serve under the pleasure of the president despite merit and therefore their positions are political the sooner we can get on with the job at hand. Taking the right of the president to appoint whomever they want despite merit and politics is a pretty bad thing.

In most working democracies of today, what really happens is there is a check and balance for the powers of the political leadership in some ways by the opposition and in others by state institutions. We weaken our democratic tenats when we allow the political system to super impose on the state structures and create a neutralising effect of the institutions to provide balance. in some cases it is soo bad that we fail to create those institutions or make them work. I have advocated that "regulatory institutions" weather in ICT, finance, environment etc should be subjected to direct parliamentary oversight rather than Ministerial and or Presidential oversight with clearly laid out processes and rules of engagement. This is an ideal we must work towards, a huge undertaking that in some cases requires change in the country's constitution.

Lets get on with the job at hand.

Most definatley...

Joe

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:31 AM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: Public Sector appointments MUST be on MERIT. Period. Accepting other avenues such as "Political Appointment" is a sad commentary on our state of affairs given that this list is for the enlightened and intellectuals. If indeed such appointments exist they must be condemned. Those saying that appointments exist that are best described as "Political" rather than "Meritorious" should indicate whether or not they believe in or are resigned to such appointments. This is an advocacy list, right? Advocacy is about reaching for an ideal and not accepting what you do not believe in. It goes beyond just observing what is going on. Does it make sense to be trying to "digitize" our society if in the background that society is not a Meritocracy?

In Kenya, political affiliation is generally tribal-based. This axiomatically elevates the term "Political Appointment" to the realm of euphemism...... And this further creates the social instability we are aware of during election time, as this is the time for each community to position itself, through utra- Machiavellian means where necessary, to "eat" through "political appointments". Not committing ourselves to merit can only leave us with a "Mediocracy" compounded by brain-drain (as our top brains get disillutioned) and, at worst, social instability/war. Let us build Kenya by promoting those ideas that build us and not resigning ourselves to compromises. Ordinary Kenyans are watching to see how we, the enligtened, are thinking so that they can follow our example.

Waudo

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:57:27 -0400, "Joseph Manthi" <jmanthi@gmail.com> said:

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WO:

"When we blindly adopt any religion, political system, or literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow." -- Anais Nin

Ditto

Joe

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I think I have to support Manthi on this one. We cannot wish away Political influence on such an important and strategic appointment - infact it could be suicidal to do so.

I havent talked to Shem or the other un-succesfull contenders (pretenders?) for the post but I am 100% sure that they must have

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:55 AM, John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: tried to get their political godfathers to say a good word for them too. If they didn't have any political godfathers, then they should have prudently declined to apply for the job (like me ;-)

...

So guys, stop talking criteria only when things do not go your

way. Instead lets congratulate the new DG because economist, engineer, lawyer, informatician or whatever - he did go to school and has the experience to deal with the office. Our role may be more useful in demanding deliverables from him rather splitting hair on why he was appointed and we were left out.

...

walu.

Hi Walu,

I agree in part with you, about the demand for deliverables from him, but I still stand against the mode of appointment, where I'll stand with the other side of this debate. I sign out of this thread with the following quote:

"When we blindly adopt any religion, political system, or literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow." -- Anais Nin

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Joe,   You seem to be going in cycles, and cheapening this discussion. Even after Washington's simplification, you still miss the point.   Did you say spectrum allocation/management is not a technical issue? Get real! And did you say 'there is no cloud hanging over his head'? In Kenya, think twice before you rush at such conclusions. The host of private communications I have received since do not support your thesis. But to pursue that route would blurr the point made.   Shem --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote: From: Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: "Shem Ochuodho" <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Cc: "New Vision List" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "Robert Onyango-Alai" <alai.robert@gmail.com> Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 9:29 AM Washington: The appointment of a DG, as I said, is political. This we have to live with. Instead of Shem giving the guy a chance to fail, he automatically starts complaining about what criteria was used to appoint him after failing to be considered. What does that tell you about Shem? All I am saying is that anyone in his right mind would not hire someone who has been accused of gross mismanagement of a very high profile parastatal. And therefore complaining of the DG's appointment using such flimsy reasons as that he is not an "informatician" - whatever that means - lends itself to questions about impropriety. The DG is a manager, he is not a technician. Now if he was appointed to discuss original thoughts about technical issues then we would have a problem. In every country I know Spectrum allocation is an economic issue and not a technical one. In this case the DG - if that is the criteria under contention - is more qualified in my book than Shem. Further there is no cloud hunging over his head. Joe On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote:

Shem: This is the one in which you must declare your interest. This sounds to me as a question of "rotten eggs". From where I am standing it sounds like you are bitter because you were never considered. But let me remind you that in the very short past you were senior official of a government parastatal. The minister in charge - or whoever - considered it a National Duty to fire you and proceed to prosecute you for mismanagement. The case - as you are likely to say - has not been settled.

It would really be a case of bad governance for anyone to consider you for a senior position when you "failed" in the last one the government trusted you with. The days of Kenyatta and Moi moving their people from one position to another - raping these parastatals as they go - are dying if not dead.

It is good to see that the Government has appointed someone with a clean - unless I am mistaken - record to this most important jobs. I personally do not care who you are as long as you can do your job. The Dir of CCK does not have to be an engineer he can be whoever he wants to be as long as he manages CCK as it should managed - to the benefit of the mwananchi. In the US, the FCC in most times has been headed by lawyers not by communication engineers. If he can manage the process of moving this industry forward, I say, more power to him.

Hi Joe, I think you lost missed the point Dr. Shem was trying to put across. I can summarize what he said as follows: 1. Appointments in KE are still skewed towards certain considerations which we hoped had been shelved. 2. It's more appropriate to have an informatician, as opposed to an economist, lead an organization like CCK. He did not say anything like it should be led by Dr. Shem Ochuodho. As regards the court cases, doesn't it still hold true that you are innocent until proved guilty? Your response to Dr. Ochuodho was not objective, but personal. I hold it that getting personal never addresses the issues. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

  I congratulate Mr Njoroge for the appointment as DG for CCK, however I still find the criteria used weak if what was in last Saturday Nation newspaper was part of the criteria. What is clear is that we are far from expecting CCK to meet WTO expectation of an independent regulator. CCK is strongly under what I term "political capture".  The issue of salary one earns as a prerequisite for short-listing for the post makes it even worse in my view. What is the future for such criteria in the eyes of all stakeholders particularly those in private sector, Foregn Direct Investors etc? the question is, how can such officer be free from government influence and special interest? Perhaps the criteria of appointment need to be revised to give an independent outfit and sectoral professionalsm to CCK DG position.     Dr Muliaro Wafula Lecturer JKUAT & Director Kenya E-governance and E-Content Backbone   --- On Wed, 7/23/08, Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: muliaro@yahoo.com Cc: "New Vision List" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, "Robert Onyango-Alai" <alai.robert@gmail.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:14 AM Dougi,   Of course Google (and its variants!) has never been the only method to gauge qualification! Sadly, it is/they are the only measure we have these days, especially for ICT!   Brian, I have never known in any profession what you say to be a parameter for qualification or eligibility. Otherwise if it were, wouldn't people like Atieno Ochola (gender notwithstanding), Matano Ndaro, Michael Katundu, John Omo, and many more at CCK be as much deserving?   Lest am asked: 'declare your interest', let me do so. The other day I noticed an MP (who is either a present or past CCK director) contribute to a motion on CCK without 'declaring interest'; he was lucky to get away with it. I too applied for this job, not because I expected to be considered, but to find out if Kenya had changed; if we had moved on to a New Kenya where it didn't matter where [in Kenya] you came from, who you knew, whose son/daughter you had married, etc. We do not seem to have learnt from the events of the turn of the [last] year! Kenya appears to be sitting on a time bomb. Formation of the coalition does not seem to have detonated it.   I have previously contended that Kenyan informaticians are endangered. How right I am/was. The words 'mediocricity, political expediency, ethnic bigotry' keep ringing on my ears. So, it now appears we cannot find an eligible informatician to lead CCK and we have to get an economist! I wait for the day, for instance, when the IMF shall be headed by an informatician, or one James Rege shall be Finance Minister! Short of the ICT professionals organizing themselves and regaining their space, we have a long wait.   Best rgrds, Shem --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: "Shem Ochuodho" <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:54 PM IMHO Njoroge has been "the power behind the throne" for every one of the   last DGs. I think he will make an excellent leader. His time has come.  Congrats Bw Njoroge Brian Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2008, at 9:32 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: Anyone with background info on new DG? Google only has the appointment dd 21/7 On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:24 +0300, "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> said: I would assume Nyaki meant "effective engagement" rather than "effective management" Regards Wainaina On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote: Walu, Your suggestion for 3.5 is good though I think it should simply be 'How to organize Associations for Effective Managment with the Government. Unless I heard wrong, KTN Sunrise news this morning announced Mr Charles Kinyanjui Njoroge as the new CCK DG. Nyaki ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:31:33 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Forum Agenda - Lets focus Harry, Indeed it would be a public forum - but to what extend has the message gone  outside Nairobi given that most listservers have subscribers in NRB? Maybe there's need to have the traditional notice in the print media.  As for the Agenda proposed and copied below, 1.      Forum Objectives 2.      Association presentations 3.      General Discussion 4.      Way forward I would add - 3.5. How to Organise the different Associations for effective engagement with Govt. walu. nb: meanwhile, unconfirmed reports from my moles indicate that a new DG for CCK has been unveiled. 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Joseph, Five years ago, being conversant on energy issues, my proposal was rejected as there were some sections not only our dear partners wanted removed but sadly our own brothers and sisters also agreed with the development partners.....Reading you now five years later its like we are stuck in mud or worse running on a treadmill and thinking we are covering miles. What is important now according to an article titled 'It's in your head' page 51 of Newsweek of July 21 'new research suggests thatpolicy may not be the most important thing....attitudes....attitudes and values. Below please find a piece of that rejected thesis. David Sub-Saharan Africa's economic growth will be stifled unless the region's power shortage can be a thing of the past. Of importance is the Electric Bill 1997 and its adoption by parliament in October 1997 which aims to 'amend and consolidate the law relating to the generation, transmission, transformation, distribution, supply and the use of electrical energy for lighting and other purposes, and for connected purposes' (Republic of Kenya 1997). The Act separated power generation, regulation and distribution heralding an energy shift from the monolithic, cumbersome and inefficient energy policy which had existed for more than 7 decades since the British colonial government started electricity power industry in Kenya. Previously the Kenya Power Company and now Kenya Electricity Generating Company (* KenGen*) have taken the generation functions from Kerio Valley Development Authority, Tana River Development Authority and Kenya Power and Lighting Company (*KPLC*). KPLC is now solely responsible for distribution and sale of power generated by KenGen while the Electricity Regulatory Board is charged with licensing of prospective investors. One disesteeming feature of the regulatory body is that although it has broad administrative brief, the final decision is left to the Minister for Energy a situation which creates opportunities for the Minister, a political appointee, to veto the decisions of the Board, the technical body. Whose interests and traditions and also what values does the legislation manifest, or better not represent? Hughes (1983) looks at the history of electrification in Britain, in particular London, and compares it to that of cities like Chicago and Berlin, in the period 1880 – 1930. He concludes that 'the overall backwardness of London's utilities foundered on the rocks of legislative obstruction, especially the Electric Lighting Act of 1888 which imposed crippling hardships'. He insisted that in 1902 in Britain 'a large number of strongly established interests had a highly developed instinct for conservatism'. Almost a century later in Kenya 'conservative political interests' are at work given the immense powers that the minister of energy retains pointing out that the politicians seem wary of relaxing the government's regulatory hold of the electric power sector. In the past the government's role has been marred by inability to satisfy demand and allegation of corruption. Poor performance in the economic sector mainly reflects inefficiency in manufacturing arising from the dilapidated infrastructure particularly roads, insufficient supply of power, incidences of import dumping and non-payment of import duty says the monthly Economic Review report released by Central Bank of Kenya (Daily Nation 28th March 2000). Another telling case being charges from Price Waterhouse on methods used by KPLC to contract two private companies, Iber-Africa and Westmont, did not follow transparent procedures in inviting bids and did not provide adequate information to bidders to enable them to submit their best bid (Daily Nation 10 November 1997). This is probable in an atmosphere where the minister can discriminate using the scale of what politicians view as 'political correct' and 'anti establishment' and thus a source of 'kickback taking' which signifies a state which is not transparent and accountable. Wachira Maina (Sunday Nation 19th October 1997) gives a telling critique to the Act pointing out that the powers of the Minister compromise the liberalization policy. Hibou (1999) points that standard economic theory, discretionary interventions in the economy are conducive to corruption, and it is for this reason that a maximum degree of consistency and uniformity is desirable. Not according fairness to all diminishes assurances to potential investors as occurred when the World Bank, in July-August 1997 suspended its aid to Kenya's power sector projects (The Economic Review January 1998). Why then do we have a decadent situation? On 7/24/08, joseph wafula <muliaro@yahoo.com> wrote:

I congratulate Mr Njoroge for the appointment as DG for CCK, however I still find the criteria used weak if what was in last Saturday Nation newspaper was part of the criteria. What is clear is that we are far from expecting CCK to meet WTO expectation of an independent regulator. CCK is strongly under what I term "political capture". The issue of salary one earns as a prerequisite for short-listing for the post makes it even worse in my view. What is the future for such criteria in the eyes of all stakeholders particularly those in private sector, Foregn Direct Investors etc? the question is, how can such officer be free from government influence and special interest? Perhaps the criteria of appointment need to be revised to give an independent outfit and sectoral professionalsm to CCK DG position.

Dr Muliaro Wafula

Lecturer JKUAT & Director

Kenya E-governance and E-Content Backbone

--- On *Wed, 7/23/08, Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com>* wrote:

From: Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: muliaro@yahoo.com Cc: "New Vision List" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, "Robert Onyango-Alai" <alai.robert@gmail.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:14 AM

Dougi,

Of course Google (and its variants!) has never been the only method to gauge qualification! Sadly, it is/they are the only measure we have these days, especially for ICT!

Brian, I have never known in any profession what you say to be a parameter for qualification or eligibility. Otherwise if it were, wouldn't people like Atieno Ochola (gender notwithstanding), Matano Ndaro, Michael Katundu, John Omo, and many more at CCK be as much deserving?

Lest am asked: 'declare your interest', let me do so. The other day I noticed an MP (who is either a present or past CCK director) contribute to a motion on CCK without 'declaring interest'; he was lucky to get away with it. I too applied for this job, not because I expected to be considered, but to find out if Kenya had changed; if we had moved on to a New Kenya where it didn't matter where [in Kenya] you came from, who you knew, whose son/daughter you had married, etc. We do not seem to have learnt from the events of the turn of the [last] year! Kenya appears to be sitting on a time bomb. Formation of the coalition does not seem to have detonated it.

I have previously contended that Kenyan informaticians are endangered. How right I am/was. The words 'mediocricity, political expediency, ethnic bigotry' keep ringing on my ears. So, it now appears we cannot find an eligible informatician to lead CCK and we have to get an economist! I wait for the day, for instance, when the IMF shall be headed by an informatician, or one James Rege shall be Finance Minister! Short of the ICT professionals organizing themselves and regaining their space, we have a long wait.

Best rgrds,

Shem

--- On *Mon, 7/21/08, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>* wrote:

From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: "Shem Ochuodho" <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:54 PM

IMHO Njoroge has been "the power behind the throne" for every one of the last DGs. I think he will make an excellent leader. His time has come.

Congrats Bw Njoroge

Brian Sent from my iPhone

On 21 Jul 2008, at 9:32 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:

Anyone with background info on new DG? Google only has the appointment dd 21/7

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:24 +0300, "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> said:

I would assume Nyaki meant "effective engagement" rather than "effective management"

Regards Wainaina

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

Walu,

Your suggestion for 3.5 is good though I think it should simply be 'How to organize Associations for Effective Managment with the Government.

Unless I heard wrong, KTN Sunrise news this morning announced Mr Charles Kinyanjui Njoroge as the new CCK DG.

Nyaki

----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:31:33 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Forum Agenda - Lets focus

Harry,

Indeed it would be a public forum - but to what extend has the message gone outside Nairobi given that most listservers have subscribers in NRB? Maybe there's need to have the traditional notice in the print media.

As for the Agenda proposed and copied below, 1. Forum Objectives 2. Association presentations 3. General Discussion 4. Way forward

I would add - 3.5. How to Organise the different Associations for effective engagement with Govt.

walu. nb: meanwhile, unconfirmed reports from my moles indicate that a new DG for CCK has been unveiled. Anybody with such a copy?

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Hi Brian - I am intrigued by your announcement praising the "independence" of the CCK. I would like to put your assertions to debate. I am not sure how you define "independence". To me it means the organization is not controlled by any of its stakeholders in its decision-making. So who are the stakeholders? Sometime back it was only Government and some "private sector". We have recently correctly included civil society. Maybe we need to add the technical community as well as academia. I cannot recall the provisions of the enabling instrument (Info and Comms Act) but the point I would like to make is that all the reps of the "stakeholders" on the Board are appointed BY THE GOVERNMENT. I am open to correction but I cannot recall any point in time when the private sector has been approached to nominate private sector reps to the CCK Board. Perhaps same for other stakeholders. If the resultant Board ends up being described as "Independent" then perhaps my online dictionary has been hit hard by a virus. Compare this with Government bodies like the Public Procurement Oversight Authority. The enabling instrument, Public Procurement and Disposals Act 2005 clearly sets forth how the governing organs like the Advisory Board are set up. There is a bottom up participatory process where stakeholders, including associations, are empowered by the Act to nominate persons they know well from their industry spheres, and the Minister for Finance makes his final selections only from the resultant list. Somewhere in that Act the Computer Society of Kenya is listed explicitly as a nominating agency. I have never seen such provisions in the Board nomination processes for ICT related public entities including the CCK. Maybe if you have better information you can let me know the process how the Board of CCK gets to be populated then hopefully I can believe you that CCK is "independent". Waudo On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:54:13 +0300, "Brian Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com> sa id: Bw Wafula, I can assure you - after many years of working with regulators and operators across all of Africa Kenya has the most independent, proffesional and focused regulatory authority. Take a look at South Africa - capture - spells out what ICASA has been under since inception What country can you point to that has the levels of independence and autonomy that CCK has. Brian On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:15 AM, joseph wafula <[1]muliaro@yahoo.com> wrote: I congratulate Mr Njoroge for the appointment as DG for CCK, however I still find the criteria used weak if what was in last Saturday Nation newspaper was part of the criteria. What is clear is that we are far from expecting CCK to meet WTO expectation of an independent regulator. CCK is strongly under what I term "political capture". The issue of salary one earns as a prerequisite for short-listing for the post makes it even worse in my view. What is the future for such criteria in the eyes of all stakeholders particularly those in private sector, Foregn Direct Investors etc? the question is, how can such officer be free from government influence and special interest? Perhaps the criteria of appointment need to be revised to give an independent outfit and sectoral professionalsm to CCK DG position. Dr Muliaro Wafula Lecturer JKUAT & Director Kenya E-governance and E-Content Backbone --- On Wed, 7/23/08, Shem Ochuodho <[2]shemochuodho@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Shem Ochuodho <[3]shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: [4]muliaro@yahoo.com Cc: "New Vision List" <[5]newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, "Robert Onyango-Alai" <[6]alai.robert@gmail.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[7]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:14 AM Dougi, Of course Google (and its variants!) has never been the only method to gauge qualification! Sadly, it is/they are the only measure we have these days, especially for ICT! Brian, I have never known in any profession what you say to be a parameter for qualification or eligibility. Otherwise if it were, wouldn't people like Atieno Ochola (gender notwithstanding), Matano Ndaro, Michael Katundu, John Omo, and many more at CCK be as much deserving? Lest am asked: 'declare your interest', let me do so. The other day I noticed an MP (who is either a present or past CCK director) contribute to a motion on CCK without 'declaring interest'; he was lucky to get away with it. I too applied for this job, not because I expected to be considered, but to find out if Kenya had changed; if we had moved on to a New Kenya where it didn't matter where [in Kenya] you came from, who you knew, whose son/daughter you had married, etc. We do not seem to have learnt from the events of the turn of the [last] year! Kenya appears to be sitting on a time bomb. Formation of the coalition does not seem to have detonated it. I have previously contended that Kenyan informaticians are endangered. How right I am/was. The words 'mediocricity, political expediency, ethnic bigotry' keep ringing on my ears. So, it now appears we cannot find an eligible informatician to lead CCK and we have to get an economist! I wait for the day, for instance, when the IMF shall be headed by an informatician, or one James Rege shall be Finance Minister! Short of the ICT professionals organizing themselves and regaining their space, we have a long wait. Best rgrds, Shem --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Brian Munyao Longwe <[8]blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: From: Brian Munyao Longwe <[9]blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: "Shem Ochuodho" <[10]shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <[11]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:54 PM IMHO Njoroge has been "the power behind the throne" for every one of the last DGs. I think he will make an excellent leader. His time has come. Congrats Bw Njoroge Brian Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2008, at 9:32 PM, "waudo siganga" <[12]emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: Anyone with background info on new DG? Google only has the appointment dd 21/7 On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:24 +0300, "Wainaina Mungai" <[13]wainaina@madei nkenya.org> said: I would assume Nyaki meant "effective engagement" rather than "effective management" Regards Wainaina On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Catherine Adeya <[14]elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote: Walu, Your suggestion for 3.5 is good though I think it should simply be 'How to organize Associations for Effective Managment with the Government. Unless I heard wrong, KTN Sunrise news this morning announced Mr Charles Kinyanjui Njoroge as the new CCK DG. Nyaki ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <[15]jwalu@yahoo.com> To: [16]elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[17]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:31:33 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Forum Agenda - Lets focus Harry, Indeed it would be a public forum - but to what extend has the message gone outside Nairobi given that most listservers have subscribers in NRB? Maybe there's need to have the traditional notice in the print media. As for the Agenda proposed and copied below, 1. Forum Objectives 2. Association presentations 3. General Discussion 4. Way forward I would add - 3.5. How to Organise the different Associations for effective engagement with Govt. walu. nb: meanwhile, unconfirmed reports from my moles indicate that a new DG for CCK has been unveiled. Anybody with such a copy? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [18]kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke [19]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [20]wainaina@madeinkenya.org Unsubscribe or change your options at [21]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/waina ina%40madeinkenya.org -- Made in Kenya Network P. O. Box 72031 - 00200 Nairobi. 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Bw Waudo, You need to read before you write - I said *most* independent, professional and focused (in Africa). interpret that however you want to.... Best regards, Brian On Jul 28, 2008, at 8:28 PM, waudo siganga wrote:

Hi Brian - I am intrigued by your announcement praising the "independence" of the CCK. I would like to put your assertions to debate. I am not sure how you define "independence". To me it means the organization is not controlled by any of its stakeholders in its decision-making. So who are the stakeholders? Sometime back it was only Government and some "private sector". We have recently correctly included civil society. Maybe we need to add the technical community as well as academia. I cannot recall the provisions of the enabling instrument (Info and Comms Act) but the point I would like to make is that all the reps of the "stakeholders" on the Board are appointed BY THE GOVERNMENT. I am open to correction but I cannot recall any point in time when the private sector has been approached to nominate private sector reps to the CCK Board. Perhaps same for other stakeholders. If the resultant Board ends up being described as "Independent" then perhaps my online dictionary has been hit hard by a virus. Compare this with Government bodies like the Public Procurement Oversight Authority. The enabling instrument, Public Procurement and Disposals Act 2005 clearly sets forth how the governing organs like the Advisory Board are set up. There is a bottom up participatory process where stakeholders, including associations, are empowered by the Act to nominate persons they know well from their industry spheres, and the Minister for Finance makes his final selections only from the resultant list. Somewhere in that Act the Computer Society of Kenya is listed explicitly as a nominating agency. I have never seen such provisions in the Board nomination processes for ICT related public entities including the CCK. Maybe if you have better information you can let me know the process how the Board of CCK gets to be populated then hopefully I can believe you that CCK is "independent".

Waudo

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:54:13 +0300, "Brian Longwe" <blongwe@gmail.com> said:

...

Bw Wafula,

I can assure you - after many years of working with regulators and operators across all of Africa Kenya has the most independent, proffesional and focused regulatory authority.

Take a look at South Africa - capture - spells out what ICASA has been under since inception

What country can you point to that has the levels of independence and autonomy that CCK has.

Brian

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:15 AM, joseph wafula <muliaro@yahoo.com> wrote:

I congratulate Mr Njoroge for the appointment as DG for CCK, however I still find the criteria used weak if what was in last Saturday Nation newspaper was part of the criteria. What is clear is that we are far from expecting CCK to meet WTO expectation of an independent regulator. CCK is strongly under what I term "political capture". The issue of salary one earns as a prerequisite for short-listing for the post makes it even worse in my view. What is the future for such criteria in the eyes of all stakeholders particularly those in private sector, Foregn Direct Investors etc? the question is, how can such officer be free from government influence and special interest? Perhaps the criteria of appointment need to be revised to give an independent outfit and sectoral professionalsm to CCK DG position.

Dr Muliaro Wafula

Lecturer JKUAT & Director

Kenya E-governance and E-Content Backbone

--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: muliaro@yahoo.com Cc: "New Vision List" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, "Robert Onyango-Alai" <alai.robert@gmail.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:14 AM

Dougi,

Of course Google (and its variants!) has never been the only method to gauge qualification! Sadly, it is/they are the only measure we have these days, especially for ICT!

Brian, I have never known in any profession what you say to be a parameter for qualification or eligibility. Otherwise if it were, wouldn't people like Atieno Ochola (gender notwithstanding), Matano Ndaro, Michael Katundu, John Omo, and many more at CCK be as much deserving?

Lest am asked: 'declare your interest', let me do so. The other day I noticed an MP (who is either a present or past CCK director) contribute to a motion on CCK without 'declaring interest'; he was lucky to get away with it. I too applied for this job, not because I expected to be considered, but to find out if Kenya had changed; if we had moved on to a New Kenya where it didn't matter where [in Kenya] you came from, who you knew, whose son/daughter you had married, etc. We do not seem to have learnt from the events of the turn of the [last] year! Kenya appears to be sitting on a time bomb. Formation of the coalition does not seem to have detonated it.

I have previously contended that Kenyan informaticians are endangered. How right I am/was. The words 'mediocricity, political expediency, ethnic bigotry' keep ringing on my ears. So, it now appears we cannot find an eligible informatician to lead CCK and we have to get an economist! I wait for the day, for instance, when the IMF shall be headed by an informatician, or one James Rege shall be Finance Minister! Short of the ICT professionals organizing themselves and regaining their space, we have a long wait.

Best rgrds,

Shem

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: "Shem Ochuodho" <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:54 PM

IMHO Njoroge has been "the power behind the throne" for every one of the last DGs. I think he will make an excellent leader. His time has come.

Congrats Bw Njoroge

Brian Sent from my iPhone

On 21 Jul 2008, at 9:32 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:

...

Anyone with background info on new DG? Google only has the appointment dd 21/7

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:24 +0300, "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> said:

...

I would assume Nyaki meant "effective engagement" rather than "effective management"

Regards Wainaina

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote: Walu,

Your suggestion for 3.5 is good though I think it should simply be 'How to organize Associations for Effective Managment with the Government.

Unless I heard wrong, KTN Sunrise news this morning announced Mr Charles Kinyanjui Njoroge as the new CCK DG.

Nyaki

----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:31:33 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Forum Agenda - Lets focus

Harry,

Indeed it would be a public forum - but to what extend has the message gone outside Nairobi given that most listservers have subscribers in NRB? Maybe there's need to have the traditional notice in the print media.

As for the Agenda proposed and copied below, 1. Forum Objectives 2. Association presentations 3. General Discussion 4. Way forward

I would add - 3.5. How to Organise the different Associations for effective engagement with Govt.

walu. nb: meanwhile, unconfirmed reports from my moles indicate that a new DG for CCK has been unveiled. Anybody with such a copy?

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Brian, not to belittle your point but Nigeria, Ivory Coast etc are some leading examples also and it is clear in their leadership in the ICT sector. Actually a recent study by Research Africa looking at 16 African countries towards an ICT e-Index (http:// www.researchictafrica.net/modules.php? op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=555) had only Nigeria and Ivory scoring positive efficiency with Iory Coast leading Nigeria. Well, someone would say ICASA is not as independent but South Africa has some of the highest penetration and outcomes in ICT? Some Africa was one of the most inefficient in the final outcomes. Eric here On 28 Jul 2008, at 14:54, Brian Longwe wrote:

Bw Wafula,

I can assure you - after many years of working with regulators and operators across all of Africa Kenya has the most independent, proffesional and focused regulatory authority.

Take a look at South Africa - capture - spells out what ICASA has been under since inception

What country can you point to that has the levels of independence and autonomy that CCK has.

Brian

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:15 AM, joseph wafula <muliaro@yahoo.com> wrote:

I congratulate Mr Njoroge for the appointment as DG for CCK, however I still find the criteria used weak if what was in last Saturday Nation newspaper was part of the criteria. What is clear is that we are far from expecting CCK to meet WTO expectation of an independent regulator. CCK is strongly under what I term "political capture". The issue of salary one earns as a prerequisite for short-listing for the post makes it even worse in my view. What is the future for such criteria in the eyes of all stakeholders particularly those in private sector, Foregn Direct Investors etc? the question is, how can such officer be free from government influence and special interest? Perhaps the criteria of appointment need to be revised to give an independent outfit and sectoral professionalsm to CCK DG position.

Dr Muliaro Wafula

Lecturer JKUAT & Director

Kenya E-governance and E-Content Backbone

--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: muliaro@yahoo.com Cc: "New Vision List" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, "Robert Onyango-Alai" <alai.robert@gmail.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:14 AM

Dougi,

Of course Google (and its variants!) has never been the only method to gauge qualification! Sadly, it is/they are the only measure we have these days, especially for ICT!

Brian, I have never known in any profession what you say to be a parameter for qualification or eligibility. Otherwise if it were, wouldn't people like Atieno Ochola (gender notwithstanding), Matano Ndaro, Michael Katundu, John Omo, and many more at CCK be as much deserving?

Lest am asked: 'declare your interest', let me do so. The other day I noticed an MP (who is either a present or past CCK director) contribute to a motion on CCK without 'declaring interest'; he was lucky to get away with it. I too applied for this job, not because I expected to be considered, but to find out if Kenya had changed; if we had moved on to a New Kenya where it didn't matter where [in Kenya] you came from, who you knew, whose son/daughter you had married, etc. We do not seem to have learnt from the events of the turn of the [last] year! Kenya appears to be sitting on a time bomb. Formation of the coalition does not seem to have detonated it.

I have previously contended that Kenyan informaticians are endangered. How right I am/was. The words 'mediocricity, political expediency, ethnic bigotry' keep ringing on my ears. So, it now appears we cannot find an eligible informatician to lead CCK and we have to get an economist! I wait for the day, for instance, when the IMF shall be headed by an informatician, or one James Rege shall be Finance Minister! Short of the ICT professionals organizing themselves and regaining their space, we have a long wait.

Best rgrds,

Shem

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: "Shem Ochuodho" <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:54 PM

IMHO Njoroge has been "the power behind the throne" for every one of the last DGs. I think he will make an excellent leader. His time has come.

Congrats Bw Njoroge

Brian Sent from my iPhone

On 21 Jul 2008, at 9:32 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:

...

Anyone with background info on new DG? Google only has the appointment dd 21/7

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:24 +0300, "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> said:

...

I would assume Nyaki meant "effective engagement" rather than "effective management"

Regards Wainaina

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote: Walu,

Your suggestion for 3.5 is good though I think it should simply be 'How to organize Associations for Effective Managment with the Government.

Unless I heard wrong, KTN Sunrise news this morning announced Mr Charles Kinyanjui Njoroge as the new CCK DG.

Nyaki

----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:31:33 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Forum Agenda - Lets focus

Harry,

Indeed it would be a public forum - but to what extend has the message gone outside Nairobi given that most listservers have subscribers in NRB? Maybe there's need to have the traditional notice in the print media.

As for the Agenda proposed and copied below, 1. Forum Objectives 2. Association presentations 3. General Discussion 4. Way forward

I would add - 3.5. How to Organise the different Associations for effective engagement with Govt.

walu. nb: meanwhile, unconfirmed reports from my moles indicate that a new DG for CCK has been unveiled. Anybody with such a copy?

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On 30 Jul 2008, at 12:54, Brian Longwe wrote:

In Nigeria the DG was on "acting" basis for 9 years, not sure if he has been confirmed yet = Capture That was Ghana. NCC has had a subtantive DG from day 1 with tenure of office, producing some outstanding resutls.

Can't say much about Ivory Coast - but reading from frequency of political instability/foreign interference .... you get my point.

Well, it would be good if you read the report because the same matrix was used for all the countries including politically unstable Ivory Coast, which should tell you that sometimes things can work even when there is political instability - http://www.researchictafrica.net/ modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=555

At the moment all matters regarding communication sector in South Africa are driven by the Minister/Ministry - ICASA needs a sign off by the minister on everything, including issuing licenses = capture

Agreed but the point is, these things relate to outcomes. In our global diffussion of the Internet studies around the world we have an interesting parallel between Turkey and Pakistan. In Turkey everything in done by the incumbent PTT whiles Parkistan is the opposite but Internet diffusion grew in Turkey than Pakistan, all this is @ http://mosaic.unomaha.edu/gdi.html My point is if we dont relate these things to outcomes then we must as well just be doing an academic exchange without touching reality. More importantly my submission is not against yours but presenting the other side of the argument, moderation is the key. Eric here

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On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Eric M. K Osiakwan <emko@internetresearch.com.gh> wrote: Brian, not to belittle your point but Nigeria, Ivory Coast etc are some leading examples also and it is clear in their leadership in the ICT sector. Actually a recent study by Research Africa looking at 16 African countries towards an ICT e-Index (http:// www.researchictafrica.net/modules.php? op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=555) had only Nigeria and Ivory scoring positive efficiency with Iory Coast leading Nigeria.

Well, someone would say ICASA is not as independent but South Africa has some of the highest penetration and outcomes in ICT? Some Africa was one of the most inefficient in the final outcomes.

Eric here

On 28 Jul 2008, at 14:54, Brian Longwe wrote:

...

Bw Wafula,

I can assure you - after many years of working with regulators and operators across all of Africa Kenya has the most independent, proffesional and focused regulatory authority.

Take a look at South Africa - capture - spells out what ICASA has been under since inception

What country can you point to that has the levels of independence and autonomy that CCK has.

Brian

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:15 AM, joseph wafula <muliaro@yahoo.com> wrote:

I congratulate Mr Njoroge for the appointment as DG for CCK, however I still find the criteria used weak if what was in last Saturday Nation newspaper was part of the criteria. What is clear is that we are far from expecting CCK to meet WTO expectation of an independent regulator. CCK is strongly under what I term "political capture". The issue of salary one earns as a prerequisite for short-listing for the post makes it even worse in my view. What is the future for such criteria in the eyes of all stakeholders particularly those in private sector, Foregn Direct Investors etc? the question is, how can such officer be free from government influence and special interest? Perhaps the criteria of appointment need to be revised to give an independent outfit and sectoral professionalsm to CCK DG position.

Dr Muliaro Wafula

Lecturer JKUAT & Director

Kenya E-governance and E-Content Backbone

--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: muliaro@yahoo.com Cc: "New Vision List" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, "Robert Onyango-Alai" <alai.robert@gmail.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:14 AM

Dougi,

Of course Google (and its variants!) has never been the only method to gauge qualification! Sadly, it is/they are the only measure we have these days, especially for ICT!

Brian, I have never known in any profession what you say to be a parameter for qualification or eligibility. Otherwise if it were, wouldn't people like Atieno Ochola (gender notwithstanding), Matano Ndaro, Michael Katundu, John Omo, and many more at CCK be as much deserving?

Lest am asked: 'declare your interest', let me do so. The other day I noticed an MP (who is either a present or past CCK director) contribute to a motion on CCK without 'declaring interest'; he was lucky to get away with it. I too applied for this job, not because I expected to be considered, but to find out if Kenya had changed; if we had moved on to a New Kenya where it didn't matter where [in Kenya] you came from, who you knew, whose son/daughter you had married, etc. We do not seem to have learnt from the events of the turn of the [last] year! Kenya appears to be sitting on a time bomb. Formation of the coalition does not seem to have detonated it.

I have previously contended that Kenyan informaticians are endangered. How right I am/was. The words 'mediocricity, political expediency, ethnic bigotry' keep ringing on my ears. So, it now appears we cannot find an eligible informatician to lead CCK and we have to get an economist! I wait for the day, for instance, when the IMF shall be headed by an informatician, or one James Rege shall be Finance Minister! Short of the ICT professionals organizing themselves and regaining their space, we have a long wait.

Best rgrds,

Shem

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: "Shem Ochuodho" <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:54 PM

IMHO Njoroge has been "the power behind the throne" for every one of the last DGs. I think he will make an excellent leader. His time has come.

Congrats Bw Njoroge

Brian Sent from my iPhone

On 21 Jul 2008, at 9:32 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:

...

Anyone with background info on new DG? Google only has the appointment dd 21/7

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:24 +0300, "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> said:

...

I would assume Nyaki meant "effective engagement" rather than "effective management"

Regards Wainaina

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote: Walu,

Your suggestion for 3.5 is good though I think it should simply be 'How to organize Associations for Effective Managment with the Government.

Unless I heard wrong, KTN Sunrise news this morning announced Mr Charles Kinyanjui Njoroge as the new CCK DG.

Nyaki

----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:31:33 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Forum Agenda - Lets focus

Harry,

Indeed it would be a public forum - but to what extend has the message gone outside Nairobi given that most listservers have subscribers in NRB? Maybe there's need to have the traditional notice in the print media.

As for the Agenda proposed and copied below, 1. Forum Objectives 2. Association presentations 3. General Discussion 4. Way forward

I would add - 3.5. How to Organise the different Associations for effective engagement with Govt.

walu. nb: meanwhile, unconfirmed reports from my moles indicate that a new DG for CCK has been unveiled. Anybody with such a copy?

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Brian, After 'e-listening' as you talked about Nigeria, Ivory Coast, South Africa etc. I thought the following picture about Indian schools transport and our kids striking coz buses are fitted with DVD makes a good comparison ;)) Leonard Brian Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: Bw Wafula, I can assure you - after many years of working with regulators and operators across all of Africa Kenya has the most independent, proffesional and focused regulatory authority. Take a look at South Africa - capture - spells out what ICASA has been under since inception What country can you point to that has the levels of independence and autonomy that CCK has. Brian On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:15 AM, joseph wafula <muliaro@yahoo.com> wrote: I congratulate Mr Njoroge for the appointment as DG for CCK, however I still find the criteria used weak if what was in last Saturday Nation newspaper was part of the criteria. What is clear is that we are far from expecting CCK to meet WTO expectation of an independent regulator. CCK is strongly under what I term "political capture". The issue of salary one earns as a prerequisite for short-listing for the post makes it even worse in my view. What is the future for such criteria in the eyes of all stakeholders particularly those in private sector, Foregn Direct Investors etc? the question is, how can such officer be free from government influence and special interest? Perhaps the criteria of appointment need to be revised to give an independent outfit and sectoral professionalsm to CCK DG position. Dr Muliaro Wafula Lecturer JKUAT & Director Kenya E-governance and E-Content Backbone --- On Wed, 7/23/08, Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Shem Ochuodho <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: muliaro@yahoo.com Cc: "New Vision List" <newvisionkenya@yahoogroups.com>, "Robert Onyango-Alai" <alai.robert@gmail.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:14 AM Dougi, Of course Google (and its variants!) has never been the only method to gauge qualification! Sadly, it is/they are the only measure we have these days, especially for ICT! Brian, I have never known in any profession what you say to be a parameter for qualification or eligibility. Otherwise if it were, wouldn't people like Atieno Ochola (gender notwithstanding), Matano Ndaro, Michael Katundu, John Omo, and many more at CCK be as much deserving? Lest am asked: 'declare your interest', let me do so. The other day I noticed an MP (who is either a present or past CCK director) contribute to a motion on CCK without 'declaring interest'; he was lucky to get away with it. I too applied for this job, not because I expected to be considered, but to find out if Kenya had changed; if we had moved on to a New Kenya where it didn't matter where [in Kenya] you came from, who you knew, whose son/daughter you had married, etc. We do not seem to have learnt from the events of the turn of the [last] year! Kenya appears to be sitting on a time bomb. Formation of the coalition does not seem to have detonated it. I have previously contended that Kenyan informaticians are endangered. How right I am/was. The words 'mediocricity, political expediency, ethnic bigotry' keep ringing on my ears. So, it now appears we cannot find an eligible informatician to lead CCK and we have to get an economist! I wait for the day, for instance, when the IMF shall be headed by an informatician, or one James Rege shall be Finance Minister! Short of the ICT professionals organizing themselves and regaining their space, we have a long wait. Best rgrds, Shem --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] New DG To: "Shem Ochuodho" <shemochuodho@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 5:54 PM IMHO Njoroge has been "the power behind the throne" for every one of the last DGs. I think he will make an excellent leader. His time has come. Congrats Bw Njoroge Brian Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jul 2008, at 9:32 PM, "waudo siganga" <emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote: Anyone with background info on new DG? Google only has the appointment dd 21/7 On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:40:24 +0300, "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina@madeinkenya.org> said: I would assume Nyaki meant "effective engagement" rather than "effective management" Regards Wainaina On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote: Walu, Your suggestion for 3.5 is good though I think it should simply be 'How to organize Associations for Effective Managment with the Government. Unless I heard wrong, KTN Sunrise news this morning announced Mr Charles Kinyanjui Njoroge as the new CCK DG. Nyaki ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:31:33 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Forum Agenda - Lets focus Harry, Indeed it would be a public forum - but to what extend has the message gone outside Nairobi given that most listservers have subscribers in NRB? Maybe there's need to have the traditional notice in the print media. As for the Agenda proposed and copied below, 1. Forum Objectives 2. Association presentations 3. General Discussion 4. Way forward I would add - 3.5. How to Organise the different Associations for effective engagement with Govt. walu. nb: meanwhile, unconfirmed reports from my moles indicate that a new DG for CCK has been unveiled. Anybody with such a copy? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: wainaina@madeinkenya.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya.... -- Made in Kenya Network P. O. Box 72031 - 00200 Nairobi. 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