We must tread carefully on cyber security
n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime.http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu...
Grace Thanks for sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. There is definitely a case for a regulatory framework. This must however be tampered with the understanding that too much regulation will throttle the industry. It is a fine balance that we must maintain. *Ali Hussein* Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime.
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu...
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Hussein, Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam as punishment because of the article. I am not opposed to cyber security but some people (and you remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis for stifling internet freedom. Ndemo.
Grace
Thanks for sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. There is definitely a case for a regulatory framework. This must however be tampered with the understanding that too much regulation will throttle the industry. It is a fine balance that we must maintain.
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime.
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu...
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Daktari Indeed I remember Dubai. That is the price that we must pay for advocating for a sober regulatory and business environment. That definitely doesn't sit well for parties that are always looking over their shoulders instead of looking forward. We must continue to advocate for the right balance to ensure that personal freedoms, advancement of the industry and national security are given their due attention. *Ali Hussein* Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Hussein, Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam as punishment because of the article. I am not opposed to cyber security but some people (and you remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis for stifling internet freedom.
Ndemo.
Grace
Thanks for sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. There is definitely a case for a regulatory framework. This must however be tampered with the understanding that too much regulation will throttle the industry. It is a fine balance that we must maintain.
*Ali Hussein*
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Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime.
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu...
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@Ndemo, The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even in Africa :-) Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I had a comment on this one paragraph :
The industry sometimes lies with statistics that in most cases do not make any sense. Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security. Even countries with less than one per cent Internet penetration are talking about cyber security. <<
Grace
Thanks for sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. There is definitely a case for a regulatory framework. This must however be tampered with the understanding that too much regulation will throttle
fine balance that we must maintain.
*Ali Hussein*
Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime.
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu...
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I was of the opinion that countries with fewer machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world. Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals based in developed economies hijack the few "3rd-world" (forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these local networks will forever remain vulnerable. However, it also true is that some autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be watchful. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM Hussein, Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam as punishment because of the article. I am not opposed to cyber security but some people (and you remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis for stifling internet freedom. Ndemo. the industry. It is a positions of the people's times and personalize, respect privacy,
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Walu I'm of the opinion that Spam is an issue tackled best by technology NOT legislation... Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ndemo,
The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even in Africa :-)
Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I had a comment on this one paragraph :
The industry sometimes lies with statistics that in most cases do not make any sense. Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security. Even countries with less than one per cent Internet penetration are talking about cyber security. <<
I was of the opinion that countries with fewer machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world. Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals based in developed economies hijack the few "3rd-world" (forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these local networks will forever remain vulnerable.
However, it also true is that some autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be watchful.
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM
Hussein, Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam as punishment because of the article. I am not opposed to cyber security but some people (and you remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis for stifling internet freedom.
Ndemo.
Grace
Thanks for sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. There is definitely a case for a regulatory framework. This must however be tampered with the understanding that too much regulation will throttle the industry. It is a fine balance that we must maintain.
*Ali Hussein*
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Skype: abu-jomo
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime.
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu...
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@Ali, your comments sound like ITU-WCIT debate Reloaded :-) Let me be cheeky abit. If SPAM can ONLY be tackled by technology - why hasn't it been tackled? Indeed the technology that could kill spam (e.g. PKI deployment at IP, SMTP, DNS-SEC, etc- apologies for the Tech jargon) has been with us for over 10years...how come spam refused to die? Dont get me wrong, I am still civil-society biased. It is just that I get worried when solutions to complex problems are straight-jacketed into one block (tech, political, legal or otherwise). I think the solutions do not lie on ONE of the above, but all of the above. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 10:59 AM Walu I'm of the opinion that Spam is an issue tackled best by technology NOT legislation... Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Ndemo, The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even in Africa :-) Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I had a comment on this one paragraph : The industry sometimes lies with statistics that in most cases do not make any sense. Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security. Even countries with less than one per cent Internet penetration are talking about cyber security. << I was of the opinion that countries with fewer machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world. Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals based in developed economies hijack the few "3rd-world" (forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these local networks will forever remain vulnerable. However, it also true is that some autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be watchful. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM Hussein, Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam as punishment because of the article. I am not opposed to cyber security but some people (and you remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis for stifling internet freedom. Ndemo. Grace Thanks for sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. There is definitely a case for a regulatory framework. This must however be tampered with the understanding that too much regulation will throttle the industry. It is a fine balance that we must maintain. *Ali Hussein* Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote: n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu... _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Walu You just didn't say that...:) How about then we remove the disciplined forces in our country seeing how we are having serious security cock ups? :) I will venture though to agree that the solution is a hybrid. The issue really is how to achieve balance to ensure we don't compromise entirely personal freedoms, National Security and of course the enablement of enterprise. Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad
On Dec 6, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ali,
your comments sound like ITU-WCIT debate Reloaded :-)
Let me be cheeky abit.
If SPAM can ONLY be tackled by technology - why hasn't it been tackled? Indeed the technology that could kill spam (e.g. PKI deployment at IP, SMTP, DNS-SEC, etc- apologies for the Tech jargon) has been with us for over 10years...how come spam refused to die?
Dont get me wrong, I am still civil-society biased. It is just that I get worried when solutions to complex problems are straight-jacketed into one block (tech, political, legal or otherwise). I think the solutions do not lie on ONE of the above, but all of the above.
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 10:59 AM
Walu I'm of the opinion that Spam is an issue tackled best by technology NOT legislation...
Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ndemo,
The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even in Africa :-)
Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I had a comment on this one paragraph :
The industry sometimes lies with statistics that in most cases do not make any sense. Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security. Even countries with less than one per cent Internet penetration are talking about cyber security. <<
I was of the opinion that countries with fewer machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world. Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals based in developed economies hijack the few "3rd-world" (forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these local networks will forever remain vulnerable.
However, it also true is that some autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be watchful.
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM
Hussein, Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam as punishment because of the article. I am not opposed to cyber security but some people (and you remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis for stifling internet freedom.
Ndemo.
Grace
Thanks for sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. There is definitely a case for a regulatory framework. This must however be tampered with the understanding that too much regulation will throttle the industry. It is a fine balance that we must maintain.
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime.
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu...
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Listers, I am actually failing to see how legislation will reduce cyber crime in Kenya or even act as a deterrent. The problems we have with the Internet is simply that it knows no borders. Infact, I would presume that most of the Cyber Crime in Kenya is actually not committed by persons in Kenya and as long as we remain a technology backwater, this will be the trend. Legislating against this wouldn't affect the price of Kenyan Internet Cyber Crime mangoes. So, what do we do against Cyber Crime? There are a couple of things we could do: 1. Use the same concept that we use to tackle air pollution challenges. You can't tackle air pollution alone, seeing that there is no way to stop air flowing from one country to next. So what do you do, you tackle the car manufacturers, demand that they make cars that meet your emission requirements. How is this relevant? We should target making laws where we *force* manufacturers to make secure products, if they will sell them say in AU countries. If MS Windows, was a lot more secure than it is now, wouldn't that maybe half our Cyber - Crime issues? 2. Setup up a crack anti-Cyber - Crime unit. Fight fire with fire! We need to protect against outside cyber attacks to our country same way we defend ourselves by having KDF. We don't make laws for Uganda not to attack us, we just let them know subtly that if they do, there are consequences. Regards Waithaka Ngigi A1.iO On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Technology does work - those of you who have used Google Mail and Yahoo Mail know the difference in Spam levels.
You can also Google "Google Postini" and understand why many corporates paid for it despite having internal mail systems.
Some legislation is however needed to tackle notorious spammers.
In Kenya though, we tend to try to solve problems by legislation, which in turn makes doing business harder.
Road accidents are a bigger problem in Kenya despite lots of legislation.
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On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 11:19 am, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ali,
your comments sound like ITU-WCIT debate Reloaded :-)
Let me be cheeky abit.
If SPAM can ONLY be tackled by technology - why hasn't it been tackled? Indeed the technology that could kill spam (e.g. PKI deployment at IP, SMTP, DNS-SEC, etc- apologies for the Tech jargon) has been with us for over 10years...how come spam refused to die?
Dont get me wrong, I am still civil-society biased. It is just that I get worried when solutions to complex problems are straight-jacketed into one block (tech, political, legal or otherwise). I think the solutions do not lie on ONE of the above, but all of the above.
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 10:59 AM
Walu I'm of the opinion that Spam is an issue tackled best by technology NOT legislation...
Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Ndemo,
The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even in Africa :-)
Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I had a comment on this one paragraph :
The industry sometimes lies with statistics that in most cases do not make any sense. Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security. Even countries with less than one per cent Internet penetration are talking about cyber security. <<
I was of the opinion that countries with fewer machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world. Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals based in developed economies hijack the few "3rd-world" (forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these local networks will forever remain vulnerable.
However, it also true is that some autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be watchful.
walu.
-------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM
Hussein, Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam as punishment because of the article. I am not opposed to cyber security but some people (and you remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis for stifling internet freedom.
Ndemo.
Grace
Thanks for sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. There is definitely a case for a regulatory framework. This must however be tampered with the understanding that too much regulation will throttle the industry. It is a fine balance that we must maintain.
*Ali Hussein*
Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime.
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu...
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Walu, Say it louder! We need substantial objectivity on some of these matters. John Kariuki. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 00:19:47 To: <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security @Ali, your comments sound like ITU-WCIT debate Reloaded :-) Let me be cheeky abit. If SPAM can ONLY be tackled by technology - why hasn't it been tackled? Indeed the technology that could kill spam (e.g. PKI deployment at IP, SMTP, DNS-SEC, etc- apologies for the Tech jargon) has been with us for over 10years...how come spam refused to die? Dont get me wrong, I am still civil-society biased. It is just that I get worried when solutions to complex problems are straight-jacketed into one block (tech, political, legal or otherwise). I think the solutions do not lie on ONE of the above, but all of the above. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 10:59 AM Walu I'm of the opinion that Spam is an issue tackled best by technology NOT legislation... Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Ndemo, The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even in Africa :-) Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I had a comment on this one paragraph : The industry sometimes lies with statistics that in most cases do not make any sense. Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security. Even countries with less than one per cent Internet penetration are talking about cyber security. << I was of the opinion that countries with fewer machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world. Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals based in developed economies hijack the few "3rd-world" (forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these local networks will forever remain vulnerable. However, it also true is that some autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be watchful. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM Hussein, Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam as punishment because of the article. I am not opposed to cyber security but some people (and you remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis for stifling internet freedom. Ndemo. Grace Thanks for sharing. We indeed must tread carefully. There is definitely a case for a regulatory framework. This must however be tampered with the understanding that too much regulation will throttle the industry. It is a fine balance that we must maintain. *Ali Hussein* Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote: n Kenya, we have done extremely well in the adoption of ICTs. This is a field that requires a lot of creativity, but we may just end up killing that creativity with too many rules and regulations in trying to counter computer crime sometimes referred to as cybercrime or netcrime. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefu... _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Ali Hussein -
Bitange Ndemo -
Dennis Kioko -
Grace Githaiga -
ngethe.kariuki2007＠yahoo.co.uk -
Ngigi Waithaka -
Walubengo J