Listers,

I am actually failing to see how legislation will reduce cyber crime in Kenya or even act as a deterrent.

The problems we have with the Internet is simply that it knows no borders. Infact, I would presume that most of the Cyber Crime in Kenya is actually not committed by persons in Kenya and as long as we remain a technology backwater, this will be the trend. Legislating against this wouldn't affect the price of Kenyan Internet Cyber Crime mangoes.

So, what do we do against Cyber Crime? There are a couple of things we could do:
1. Use the same concept that we use to tackle air pollution challenges. You can't tackle air pollution alone, seeing that there is no way to stop air flowing from one country to next. So what do you do, you tackle the car manufacturers, demand that they make cars that meet your emission requirements.
How is this relevant? We should target making laws where we *force* manufacturers to make secure products, if they will sell them say in AU countries. If MS Windows, was a lot more secure than it is now, wouldn't that maybe half our Cyber - Crime issues?
2. Setup up a crack anti-Cyber - Crime unit. Fight fire with fire! We need to protect against outside cyber attacks to our country same way we defend ourselves by having KDF. We don't make laws for Uganda not to attack us, we just let them know subtly that if they do, there are consequences.

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Waithaka Ngigi
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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

Technology does work - those of you who have used Google Mail and Yahoo Mail know the difference in Spam levels.

You can also Google "Google Postini" and understand why many corporates paid for it despite having internal mail systems.

Some legislation is however needed to tackle notorious spammers.

In Kenya though, we tend to try to solve problems by legislation, which in turn makes doing business harder.

Road accidents are a bigger problem in Kenya despite lots of legislation.

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On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 11:19 am, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:

@Ali,

your comments sound like ITU-WCIT debate Reloaded :-)

Let me be cheeky abit. 

If SPAM can ONLY be tackled by technology - why hasn't it been tackled? Indeed the technology that could kill spam (e.g. PKI deployment at IP, SMTP, DNS-SEC, etc- apologies for the Tech jargon) has been with us for over 10years...how come spam refused to die?

Dont get me wrong, I am still civil-society biased. It is just that I get worried when solutions to complex problems are straight-jacketed into one block (tech, political, legal or otherwise).  I think the solutions do not lie on ONE of the above, but all of the above.

walu.

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On Fri, 12/6/13, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:

Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security
To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 10:59 AM

Walu
I'm of the opinion that Spam is an issue
tackled best by technology NOT legislation...

Ali Hussein
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surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation
of idiots".  ~ Albert Einstein
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On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
wrote:

@Ndemo,

The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some
animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with
spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even
in Africa :-)

Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I
had a comment on this one paragraph :

The industry sometimes lies with
statistics that in most cases do not make any sense.
Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security.
Even countries with less than one per cent Internet
penetration are talking about cyber security.
<<

I was of the opinion that countries with fewer
machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about
Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world.
Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals  based in developed
economies hijack the few  "3rd-world"
(forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch
attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are
laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these
local networks will forever remain vulnerable.

However, it also true is that some
autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this
cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more
repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently
baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be
watchful.

walu.

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On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke>
wrote:

  Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on
cyber security
  To: jwalu@yahoo.com
  Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
  Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM

  Hussein,
  Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam
as
  punishment because of
  the article.  I am not opposed to cyber security
but
  some people (and you
  remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis
for
  stifling
  internet freedom.

  Ndemo.



Grace

Thanks for
sharing. We indeed must tread carefully.
  There is definitely a
case for a regulatory
framework. This must however be
  tampered with the
understanding that too much
regulation will throttle
  the industry. It is a
fine balance that we must
maintain.

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On Thu, Dec 5,
2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga
<ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:

n Kenya, we have done extremely well in
the
  adoption of ICTs. This is
a
field
that requires a lot of creativity, but we may
  just end up killing
that
creativity with too many rules and regulations
  in trying to
counter
computer crime sometimes referred to as
cybercrime
  or netcrime.

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefully-on-cyber-security/-/539548/2098892/-/item/0/-/12mo495/-/index.html

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