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Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
by Wangari Kabiru 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Blessed day! I do not think the national ICT Policy and practitioners are related. Said "ICT Practitioners" would not be the "only" persons with interest or affected by the national policy direction. I am yet to read the Practitioners Bill shared. What I know is that professions have "practice " Marketers,and Lawyers, HR Practitioners, Electricians are registered against certain standards which include academic and professional development. At the same time, more often than not, the "expert" Electrician when cables fall of is normally streetwise and may not be registered - gets job done. On the ICT practitioners end, a shared definition on ICT Practitioner is required so as to have a coherent discussion. Otherwise kila mmoja anachangia mada yake, kwani hatushikilii maana moja. And if ICT Practitioner has no definition, perhaps the drivers of the bill may have been attempting to give it a face. Blessed day. Regards/WangariOn Jul 6, 2016 11:14, Harry via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > Hey Dennis, > > Welcome on board..! > > The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings. > > Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'.. > > Harry > > On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > > Hi Hary, > > > > Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dennis > >> > >> On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > >> > >> Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online > >> Discussions > > > > > > Dennis Muthuri Mburugu > > Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wangarikabiru%40yahoo… > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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FW: FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy
by Alex Watila 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

fyi From: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com [mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 10:24 AM To: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com Subject: Re: FW: [kictanet] [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy Interesting article. What it failed to mention was how successful those other bodies are at advocating for their respective profession. "Everyone else is doing it" is a bad argument IMHO. __________________________________________ Reuben Cummings Founder & Managing Director, Nerevu Development https://www.linkedin.com/company/nerevu +255 756 477 319 (vodacom) +255 789 477 319 (airtel) +254 703 576 035 (safaricom) +1 (234) 738-2266 (whatsapp) On Jul 5, 2016 11:01 PM, "Evanson Wachira" <evansonwachira(a)gmail.com <mailto:evansonwachira@gmail.com> > wrote: A likely source of where these ideas might have begun: http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208f… On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Alex Watila <awatila(a)gmail.com <mailto:awatila@gmail.com> > wrote: FYI From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bawatila> =yahoo.co.uk(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> ] On Behalf Of Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 7:28 PM To: awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk <mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu(a)gmail.com <mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy Interesting developments Alex. My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions questions: First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is this Bill? Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation? Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the very good practitioners from the average ones? I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with ever regulating professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource. Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association? Regards, 2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> >: FYI -----Original Message----- From: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com> [mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Tim Schofield Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:37 AM To: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training. Tim On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <tony.mzungu(a)gmail.com <mailto:tony.mzungu@gmail.com> > wrote: > ...and *this*: > > http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo > mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf > > Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will > rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and > registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing > 'training'!! > > Phew!! > > Tony > > On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <eebrah(a)gmail.com <mailto:eebrah@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Y'all have seen this[1], yes? >> >> [1] >> http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa >> l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf >> >> -- Ibrahim >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com> . >> To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Tony White > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com> . > To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com <mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com> . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Course View Towers, Plot 21 Yusuf Lule Road, Kampala T +256 (0) 312 314 418 M +256 (0) 752 963 325 www.weberpafrica.com <http://www.weberpafrica.com> Twitter: @TimSchofield2 Blog: http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. 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Re: [kictanet] National ICT Poilicy: DAY 10 of 10:-Vision, Mission, Objectives.
by Wangari Kabiru 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Current Vision - A prosperous and competitive ICT-driven Kenyan society. Blessed Wednesday! The concept of ICT-enabled is it! To capitalise on the value of ICT, we may position as an enabler so that all sectors may be more efficient and in turn more productive to the national economy. "A prosperous Kenya"...leave to Vision 2030 which is already using this appropriately in its messaging. "A productive ICT-enabled Kenyan Society." Thus very clearly measures of the value of productiveness may come out of this. The "competitive"...perhaps seek the global positioning Kenya wants....versus use of the generic word. "A productive ICT-enabled Kenyan Society; making Kenya a (the) global innovator." Something in the league of hotbed of innovation. Since ICT is in continuous evolution. Thank you very much for the insightful discussions! Blessed day. Regards/WangariOn Jul 5, 2016 15:20, "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > I would imagine that this is a policy that is to be implemented even at the devolved units. Is it possible to capture this for example delivering services through ICT at lowest possible level? > > Regards, > > 2016-07-05 15:08 GMT+03:00 Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>: >> >> Thnx Alex for your input. >> >> Any other Visionaries out there? We need to hear more options, otherwise silence means agreement with the current proposal. >> >> walu. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Alex Watila <awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> To: 'Walubengo J' <jwalu(a)yahoo.com>; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 1:05 PM >> Subject: RE: [kictanet] National ICT Poilicy: DAY 10 of 10:-Vision, Mission, Objectives. >> >> Dear All, >> Please find my inputs >> >> · Current Vision - A prosperous and competitive ICT-driven Kenyan society. >> · Current Mission - To improve the livelihoods of Kenyans by ensuring the availability of accessible, efficient, reliable, affordable and secure ICT services. >> >> Will that make Kenya a prosperous and competitive ICT –driven society. ? No >> >> The mission should focus more on benefitting from the benefits of ICT >> >> · ICT enabled Services i.e. To improve the livelihoods of Kenyans by ensuring the availability of accessible, efficient, reliable, affordable and secure ICT enabled services. >> >> Regards, >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J via kictanet >> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:55 AM >> To: awatila(a)yahoo.co.uk >> Cc: Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> >> Subject: [kictanet] National ICT Poilicy: DAY 10 of 10:-Vision, Mission, Objectives. >> >> Listers, >> >> Thanx all for your contributions over the last 9days. Today we wrap up the online discussions by going back to the the beginning. We look at the Vision Mission Overarching Objectives of the Draft ICT Policy. >> >> Background >> >> The Vision is the dream, where you want to be 10, 15, 20years from now. The Mission is what you need to do regularly to get there, while the Objectives are intermediary milestones, the specific, measurable and achievable targets to guide you towards your mission and vision. It would be nice to have one objective per thematic area but do not be constrained by that. >> >> Just wear your creative hat and float out what Vision, Mission and Overarching objectives you propose for our ICT policy in any manner :-) >> >> You may also opt to propose amendments to the proposed Vision, Mission & Objectives as hosted on Jadili platform. >> 1Day on this issue. >> >> -walu. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > > > -- > Grace L.N. Mutung'u > Nairobi Kenya > Skype: gracebomu > Twitter: @Bomu > > <http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profile/GraceMutungu> > > PGP ID : 0x33A3450F >

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Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
by Dennis Muthuri 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Hi Hary, Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter. Thanks. Dennis > On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > > Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online > Discussions Dennis Muthuri Mburugu Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for license to practice!
by ngethe.kariuki2007 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Listers, If anyone has access to a legal definition of ICT, internationally recognised, please share on the list so that we can all move forward with a common understanding. John Kariuki. Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: To: ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <ultimateprogramer(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for license to practice! As if its not enough to go to a University to pay to get a degree. Historically every red-taped innovation company has failed in its own inability to Innovate. We do not need to go any further than companies like BlackBerry who's app store approval process sometimes even took ages. They ended up selling off after being corporate giants with a force to recon, because less red-taped innovation outfits came up (iPhones and Androids). On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers I have changed the subject of this thread to its rightful title, since this discussion is not based on the Draft ICT Policy. The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here: http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommuni… Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:18:12 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy From: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke CC: arebacollins(a)gmail.com To: ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com Skunkworks should regulate ICT in kenya. J From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+arebacollins=gmail.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of DigitalTVAfrica via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 5 July 2016 8:08 pm To: Collins Areba <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> Cc: DigitalTVAfrica <wainaina(a)DigitalTVAfrica.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy This brings up the question of the Computer Society of Kenya (CSK) led by Waudo Siganga.....versus the new ICTAK led by Kamotho Njenga / Selasio Kiura. What was the criteria for picking which of these and any others will basically regulate the ICT "profession"? ------------ ICTAK "While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association?" CSK (on their website) "The Computer Society of Kenya is the recognized association for Information, Communication and Technology industries and professionals in Kenya, attracting large and active membership from all levels of the IT industry and providing a wide range of services to its 6,000 + members." On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Interesting developments Alex. My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions questions: First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is this Bill? Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation? Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the very good practitioners from the average ones? I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with ever regulating professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource. Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association? Regards, 2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>: FYI -----Original Message----- From: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com [mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Schofield Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:37 AM To: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training. Tim On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <tony.mzungu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ...and *this*: > > http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo > mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf > > Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will > rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and > registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing > 'training'!! > > Phew!! > > Tony > > On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <eebrah(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Y'all have seen this[1], yes? >> >> [1] >> http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa >> l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf >> >> -- Ibrahim >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Tony White > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Course View Towers, Plot 21 Yusuf Lule Road, Kampala T +256 (0) 312 314 418 M +256 (0) 752 963 325 www.weberpafrica.com Twitter: @TimSchofield2 Blog: http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. 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KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE
by Gideon 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Kivuva +1, I think ICT in itself is a very disruptive phenomenon and also an environment that rapidly goes through incredible changes within a short period. I also think most people then can be regarded as ICT practitioners by virtue of daily use of computers, smart devices etc. As much as people go to school to learn it as a profession, most have earned skills through daily use of the technology and may not necessarily have a certificate to show. Therefore this bill therefore may not be well advised. Kind regards GR On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:34 AM, <kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: > > KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX > PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE (Stellar Murumba) > 2. Re: Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for > license to practice! (Liz Orembo) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 08:23:21 +0300 > From: Stellar Murumba <nstellarnelly(a)gmail.com> > To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN > PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE > Message-ID: <11E285B2-84BF-4246-889F-B52725383D49(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Haha I like this one Ahmed. If someone can still deliver to the core even > without a degree, does his level of education really matter? Convince me... > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 6 Jul 2016, at 6:25 AM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > > This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! ( > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke) Add cleanup rule | More info > > Perhaps the other simple question should be: If this was to happen. > Shouldn't the ICT Ministry and ICT Authority get directly involved? > > > > I also have one more concern. With the technology arena, why are we > going back to hacking Degrees and Diplomas as a pre-requisite to be a fully > qualified practitioner? No offence, but doesn't that disqualify Bill Gates > and Steve Jobs? > > > >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> Wow seems this has morphed tremendously.. > >> > >> I agree re-Twitter, it will create the necessary traction needed. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Eric > >> > >>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >>> Hi Listers, > >>> > >>> If you desire to take this to Twitter in protest, kindly use the > hashtag #KillTheICTBill > >>> > >>> Thanks Mr Mwendwa for those sentiments. Very insightful. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>>> On 5 Jul 2016, at 10:44 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva < > Kivuva(a)transworldafrica.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Well, I have read the bill so that I cannot say "nilisomewa". It's > quite short and I encourage everybody who is affected by it to read it. > >>>> > >>>> Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: > >>>> 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute > >>>> 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya > nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are > members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all > ICT practitioners in Kenya? > >>>> 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT > practitioners on payment of annual fees. > >>>> 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as > an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them > graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. > >>>> 5. You must have five years experience to practice ICT. > >>>> 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of > permission-less innovation > >>>> 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by > the Institute and has paid annual membership. > >>>> 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, > unless such person is licensed under this Act. > >>>> > >>>> So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does > computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed. > >>>> > >>>> Well this bill affects all techies and consultants alike. The bill > makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed. It's > preposterous at best, morally criminal maybe. It locks out opportunities > for the young passionate innovators who do wonders without ever stepping in > college. ICT allows these young fellows permission-less innovation. They > sit behind a computer and write beautiful code that changes the world. It > is heart-aching that those who thrived in an open dynamic ICT environment > in Kenya now want to lock up the industry as a preserve of the few. > Washindwe kabisa. > >>>> > >>>> Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is > passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the > new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your > cool. We will deliver our petition to the relevant offices. > >>>> > >>>> Peace. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ______________________ > >>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya > >>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On 5 July 2016 at 22:16, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >>>>> Hi Listers, > >>>>> > >>>>> This is a google doc( > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lZ8m3WSH2JQSzTMBC8bkLRH8y2zzjyM9TzuUhGz…) > that has been created by Nanjira(https://twitter.com/NiNanjira). Kindly > fill it with all questions you have regarding the Bill. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Dennis Muthuri Mburugu > >>>>> Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> kictanet mailing list > >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>>>> > >>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kivuva%40transworldaf… > >>>>> > >>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > >>>>> > >>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >>> > >>> Dennis Muthuri Mburugu > >>> Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> kictanet mailing list > >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >>> > >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/erick.mwangi%40gmail.… > >>> > >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy > and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > >>> > >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> kictanet mailing list > >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >> > >> Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40g… > >> > >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > >> > >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > > > > > > -- > > Ahmed Maawy > > Executive Director - SwahiliBox / M-Power (CBO) > > Curator - Global Shapers Mombasa Hub > > Ambassador - Open Knowledge > > Director - Startup Grind Mombasa > > Software Developer - AJ+ / EveryLayer > > (KE) +254 714 960 627 > > Skype: ultimateprogramer > > > > swahilibox.co.ke > > globalshapers.org > > www.okfn.org > > startupgrind.com > > ajplus.net > > www.everylayer.com > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nstellarnelly%40gmail… > > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform > for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >

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Re: [kictanet] [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy
by Alex Watila 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

FYI -----Original Message----- From: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com [mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Schofield Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:37 AM To: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training. Tim On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <tony.mzungu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ...and *this*: > > http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo > mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf > > Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will > rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and > registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing > 'training'!! > > Phew!! > > Tony > > On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <eebrah(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Y'all have seen this[1], yes? >> >> [1] >> http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa >> l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf >> >> -- Ibrahim >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Tony White > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Course View Towers, Plot 21 Yusuf Lule Road, Kampala T +256 (0) 312 314 418 M +256 (0) 752 963 325 www.weberpafrica.com Twitter: @TimSchofield2 Blog: http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

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Re: [kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE
by Dennis Muthuri 06 Jul '16

06 Jul '16

Hi Listers, This is a google doc(https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lZ8m3WSH2JQSzTMBC8bkLRH8y2zzjyM9Tzu… that has been created by Nanjira(https://twitter.com/NiNanjira). Kindly fill it with all questions you have regarding the Bill. Thanks. Dennis Muthuri Mburugu Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654

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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 110, Issue 56
by Nanjira Sambuli 05 Jul '16

05 Jul '16

Also, here's a list of crowd sourced questions from the greater community. Plan is to have them presented to the pertinent Parliamentary committee, as well as the CS and his team: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lZ8m3WSH2JQSzTMBC8bkLRH8y2zzjyM9TzuUhGz… Regards, Nanjira. Sent from my iPhone. > On 5 Jul 2016, at 22:09, kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote: > > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX > PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE (ngethe.kariuki2007) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 22:05:13 +0300 > From: "ngethe.kariuki2007" <ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk> > To: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Subject: Re: [kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN > PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE > Message-ID: <yb4qacrlidwvbrex30gyv4re.1467745513132(a)email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Listers,? > It is difficult to interrogate a Bill without the policy which informed the drafting of the Bill? So where is the policy and were there any stakeholder consultations. If none the process is unconstitutional.? > > John Kariuki.? > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: > To: ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk > Cc: Collins Areba <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE > > I have read it end to end. I would personally have not much else to say beyond this. > ? > 1: This is a cartel, pure and simple. ?You create a walled garden, have five or so people deciding who can ?practice? and who cannot. The same five people decide what the rules of the game are, so mid point, this can change as and when it suits them. Sooner or later, it shall be a requirement for anyone who wants to do business with government, the single largest market for the small scale business operator, to be registered. > ? > 2: The sector, and by the bills very wording is very fluid. Both in its definition and in its very sense. ICT permeates such a broad section of the world that it ideally should never exist as an independent sector. A CT scan is a computer in its most impirical definition, As such radiologists should be bound by these regulations. The same should apply to bribe taking NTSA officers who use ?computers? and ICT to entrap drunk overspeeding motorists. They should as well be bound by the same rules governing ICT practice , yes? How about Mama mboga? Who receives and makes payments via Mpesa? Where exactly do you draw the line? Pilots flying computers laden in fuel? How do you decide a programmer should pay from earning from leveraging technology in creating software, and an MPESA agent using technology 100% of the time in their day to day earnings doesn?t? > ? > 3: I reserve my other comments to when I get to understand who exactly an ICT practitioner is. > ? > ? > From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+arebacollins=gmail.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Tuesday, 5 July 2016 8:50 pm > To: Collins Areba <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> > Subject: [kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE > ? > Listers > > > I know some discussions threads are going on about this but I thought to bring more focus to this issue by starting a thread with the appropriate subject line. > ? > 1. ?Who was aware of this?? > 2. Who originated the Bill and how widely did they consult. > 3. How was the ICT professional body that gets to appoint Council members arrived at? (Council members dictate who can b registred/derigistered). > 4. Who exactly is an ICT practitioner...given that ICT is an ever evolving field with jobs of the future still being created. > ? > The floor is open. > ? > Ali Hussein > Principal > Hussein & Associates > +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 > ? > Twitter: @AliHKassim > Skype: abu-jomo > LinkedIn:?http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > ? > > > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ?~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi > > > Sent from my iPad > ? > Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:08:30 +0300 > Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy > From: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > CC: wainaina(a)DigitalTVAfrica.com > To: ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com > > This brings up the question of the Computer Society of Kenya (CSK) led by Waudo Siganga.....versus the new ICTAK led by Kamotho Njenga / Selasio Kiura. > ? > What was the criteria for picking which of these and any others will basically regulate the ICT "profession"? > ? > ------------ > ICTAK > "While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association?" > ? > ? > CSK > (on their website) > "The Computer Society of Kenya is the recognized association for Information, Communication and Technology industries and professionals in Kenya, attracting large and active membership from all levels of the IT industry and providing a wide range of services to its 6,000 + members." > ? > On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Interesting developments Alex.? > My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions questions:? > First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is this Bill?? > ? > Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation?? > ? > Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the very good practitioners from the average ones?? > I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with ?ever regulating professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource. > ? > Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association? > ? > Regards,? > ? > 2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>: > FYI > > -----Original Message----- > From: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com [mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Schofield > Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:37 AM > To: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy > > This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training. > > Tim > >> On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <tony.mzungu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> ...and *this*: >> >> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo >> mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf >> >> Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will >> rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and >> registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing >> 'training'!! >> >> Phew!! >> >> Tony >> >>> On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <eebrah(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Y'all have seen this[1], yes? >>> >>> [1] >>> http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa >>> l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf >>> >>> -- Ibrahim >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> Tony White >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > Course View Towers, > Plot 21 Yusuf Lule Road, > Kampala > T +256 (0) 312 314 418 > M +256 (0) 752 963 325 > www.weberpafrica.com > Twitter: @TimSchofield2 > Blog: http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Re: [kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE
by ngethe.kariuki2007 05 Jul '16

05 Jul '16

Listers, It is difficult to interrogate a Bill without the policy which informed the drafting of the Bill? So where is the policy and were there any stakeholder consultations. If none the process is unconstitutional. John Kariuki. Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: Collins Areba via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: To: ngethe.kariuki2007(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: Collins Areba <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE I have read it end to end. I would personally have not much else to say beyond this. 1: This is a cartel, pure and simple. You create a walled garden, have five or so people deciding who can “practice” and who cannot. The same five people decide what the rules of the game are, so mid point, this can change as and when it suits them. Sooner or later, it shall be a requirement for anyone who wants to do business with government, the single largest market for the small scale business operator, to be registered. 2: The sector, and by the bills very wording is very fluid. Both in its definition and in its very sense. ICT permeates such a broad section of the world that it ideally should never exist as an independent sector. A CT scan is a computer in its most impirical definition, As such radiologists should be bound by these regulations. The same should apply to bribe taking NTSA officers who use “computers” and ICT to entrap drunk overspeeding motorists. They should as well be bound by the same rules governing ICT practice , yes? How about Mama mboga? Who receives and makes payments via Mpesa? Where exactly do you draw the line? Pilots flying computers laden in fuel? How do you decide a programmer should pay from earning from leveraging technology in creating software, and an MPESA agent using technology 100% of the time in their day to day earnings doesn’t? 3: I reserve my other comments to when I get to understand who exactly an ICT practitioner is. From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+arebacollins=gmail.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 5 July 2016 8:50 pm To: Collins Areba <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> Cc: Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> Subject: [kictanet] KENYA ICT PRACTITIONERS BILL NOW IN PARLIAMENT, PAY XXX PER YEAR FOR LICENSE TO PRACTICE Listers I know some discussions threads are going on about this but I thought to bring more focus to this issue by starting a thread with the appropriate subject line. 1. Who was aware of this? 2. Who originated the Bill and how widely did they consult. 3. How was the ICT professional body that gets to appoint Council members arrived at? (Council members dictate who can b registred/derigistered). 4. Who exactly is an ICT practitioner...given that ICT is an ever evolving field with jobs of the future still being created. The floor is open. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:08:30 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy From: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke CC: wainaina(a)DigitalTVAfrica.com To: ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com This brings up the question of the Computer Society of Kenya (CSK) led by Waudo Siganga.....versus the new ICTAK led by Kamotho Njenga / Selasio Kiura. What was the criteria for picking which of these and any others will basically regulate the ICT "profession"? ------------ ICTAK "While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association?" CSK (on their website) "The Computer Society of Kenya is the recognized association for Information, Communication and Technology industries and professionals in Kenya, attracting large and active membership from all levels of the IT industry and providing a wide range of services to its 6,000 + members." On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Interesting developments Alex. My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions questions: First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is this Bill? Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation? Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the very good practitioners from the average ones? I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with ever regulating professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource. Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association? Regards, 2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>: FYI -----Original Message----- From: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com [mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Schofield Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:37 AM To: nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training. Tim On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <tony.mzungu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ...and *this*: > > http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo > mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf > > Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will > rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and > registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing > 'training'!! > > Phew!! > > Tony > > On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <eebrah(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Y'all have seen this[1], yes? >> >> [1] >> http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa >> l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf >> >> -- Ibrahim >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Tony White > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to nairobi-gnu(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Course View Towers, Plot 21 Yusuf Lule Road, Kampala T +256 (0) 312 314 418 M +256 (0) 752 963 325 www.weberpafrica.com Twitter: @TimSchofield2 Blog: http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group. 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