Commodity Exchange System
Hi, The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures. This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts. What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round. The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions. This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant. NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly. The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc). Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted. Useful links http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s... http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/... http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Robert. We usually don't get those contracts because the buying bodies prefer to get software that's tried / tested / proven .... and rightly so. The way I look at this - as a manager, if I was to choose between a local vendor who would have to develop from scratch and a foreign vendor whose solution is running lets say 30 clients .... I would pick the foreign vendor 99 out of 100 times. Its all about risk ... and as we all know "No one ever got fired for buying IBM" ( http://bit.ly/amN6sl ) :) On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi, The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures. This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts. What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round. The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions. This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant. NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly. The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc). Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted. Useful links http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s... http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/... http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf
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Hi, It is unfortunate that we are already coming up with excuses for why we cannot deliver on this but most unfortunate is that you of all people could thorugh such a large spanner into the works yet your product has received funding with little or not field testing. We all buy tenders and spend many hours completing our responses yet we do not get paid for such activities, what is so difficult with making a pitch? I thought we are in the information age where a young graduate only needs a computer and internet connection to make it big. Lets for once stop being typical Kenyans and think of Bill Gates walking into the IBM offices to sell MS-DOS. Regards PS. Another posting like this and I go off to freelance.com & partner with positive thinking developers, the world has become a village. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 21 September, 2010 14:38:37 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Robert. We usually don't get those contracts because the buying bodies prefer to get software that's tried / tested / proven .... and rightly so. The way I look at this - as a manager, if I was to choose between a local vendor who would have to develop from scratch and a foreign vendor whose solution is running lets say 30 clients .... I would pick the foreign vendor 99 out of 100 times. Its all about risk ... and as we all know "No one ever got fired for buying IBM" ( http://bit.ly/amN6sl )
I agree with Robert, since this are state owned corporations we could gamble with local expertise, how else are we going to build our industries? in any case whenever this corporations run into financial doldrums, the government always bails them out with tax payers money, i agree with Robert First priority to Local Companies. Kind Regards On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:14 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
It is unfortunate that we are already coming up with excuses for why we cannot deliver on this but most unfortunate is that you of all people could thorugh such a large spanner into the works yet your product has received funding with little or not field testing.
We all buy tenders and spend many hours completing our responses yet we do not get paid for such activities, what is so difficult with making a pitch? I thought we are in the information age where a young graduate only needs a computer and internet connection to make it big.
Lets for once stop being typical Kenyans and think of Bill Gates walking into the IBM offices to sell MS-DOS.
Regards
PS. Another posting like this and I go off to freelance.com & partner with positive thinking developers, the world has become a village.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Robert.
We usually don't get those contracts because the buying bodies prefer to get software that's tried / tested / proven .... and rightly so.
The way I look at this - as a manager, if I was to choose between a local vendor who would have to develop from scratch and a foreign vendor whose solution is running lets say 30 clients .... I would pick the foreign vendor 99 out of 100 times.
Its all about risk ... and as we all know "No one ever got fired for buying IBM" ( http://bit.ly/amN6sl )
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Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures.
This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts.
What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round.
The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions.
This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant.
NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly.
The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc).
Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted.
Useful links
http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s... http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html <http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html> http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 <http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40> http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/...
<http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/index.html> http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf
<http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf>
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In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first! Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation. Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke<mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke> | www.idrc.ca<http://www.idrc.ca/> | www.crdi.ca<http://www.crdi.ca/> ________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [timwololo@gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2010 08:26 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote: Hi, The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures. This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts. What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round. The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions. This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant. NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly. The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc). Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted. Useful links http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s... http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html <http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html>http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 <http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40>http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/index.html <http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/index.html>http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf <http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf> Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: timwololo@gmail.com<mailto:timwololo@gmail.com> Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/timwololo%40gmail.com
Hey all, Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers. I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable. Have a lovely Thursday, Andrea On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first!
Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation.
Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary.
Edith
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Senior Program Specialist
ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program
International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international
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------------------------------ *From:* kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [ timwololo@gmail.com] *Sent:* 23 September 2010 08:26 *To:* Edith Adera
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures.
This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts.
What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round.
The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions.
This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant.
NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly.
The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc).
Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted.
Useful links
http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s... http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html <http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html> http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 <http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40> http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/... <http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/index.html> http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf <http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf>
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Hi, Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home MPesa/MKesho/PAP? Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for testing. All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and proven solution, NO. Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake. This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU". We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price. Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs. Asimuamushe alielala . . . Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hey all, Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers. I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable. Have a lovely Thursday, Andrea On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first!
Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation.
Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary.
Edith
________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca| www.crdi.ca
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Sent: 23 September 2010 08:26 To: Edith Adera
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures.
This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts.
What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round.
The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions.
This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant.
NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly.
The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc).
Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted.
Useful links
http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s...
http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/...
http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf
Robert Yawe
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Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Robert I like the war cry As my friend Idd Salim always says ..... "Back to Coding" On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:23 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home MPesa/MKesho/PAP? Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for testing.
All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and proven solution, NO.
Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake.
This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU".
We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price.
Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs.
Asimuamushe alielala . . .
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Hey all,
Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers.
I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable.
Have a lovely Thursday, Andrea
On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first!
Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation.
Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary.
Edith
*________________ *
*Edith Ofwona Adera *
Senior Program Specialist
ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program
International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international
Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa
Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera
eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca
------------------------------ *From:* kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [ timwololo@gmail.com] *Sent:* 23 September 2010 08:26 *To:* Edith Adera
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures.
This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts.
What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round.
The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions.
This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant.
NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly.
The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc).
Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted.
Useful links
http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s... http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html <http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html> http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 <http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40> http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/... <http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/index.html> http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf <http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf>
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Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Robert, I think you missed my point. I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally, use mugs made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road. If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood wasn't dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially massive harm done. I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very list, about mobile operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very worked up that this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this different from a trading system? In conclusion: I honestly don't care where the system comes from. I need it to work. That's the beauty of a global economy: you have the choice to buy whatever works best for you. If Kenyan companies compete on that level: excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from someone else. Andrea On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home MPesa/MKesho/PAP? Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for testing.
All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and proven solution, NO.
Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake.
This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU".
We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price.
Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs.
Asimuamushe alielala . . .
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Hey all,
Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers.
I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable.
Have a lovely Thursday, Andrea
On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first!
Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation.
Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary.
Edith
*________________ *
*Edith Ofwona Adera *
Senior Program Specialist
ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program
International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international
Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa
Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera
eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca
------------------------------ *From:* kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [ timwololo@gmail.com] *Sent:* 23 September 2010 08:26 *To:* Edith Adera
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures.
This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts.
What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round.
The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions.
This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant.
NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly.
The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc).
Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted.
Useful links
http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s... http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html <http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html> http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 <http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40> http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/... <http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/index.html> http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf <http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf>
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Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Any innovation does/should go through some beta testing! That said, whether the system is developed in Silicon Valley or a backstreet in NDjamena is immaterial. As a user, all I want is a system that meets my needs and is priced right Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Andrea Bohnstedt Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:14 AM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Robert, I think you missed my point. I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally, use mugs made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road. If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood wasn't dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially massive harm done. I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very list, about mobile operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very worked up that this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this different from a trading system? In conclusion: I honestly don't care where the system comes from. I need it to work. That's the beauty of a global economy: you have the choice to buy whatever works best for you. If Kenyan companies compete on that level: excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from someone else. Andrea On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home MPesa/MKesho/PAP? Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for testing. All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and proven solution, NO. Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake. This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU". We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price. Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs. Asimuamushe alielala . . . Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hey all, Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers. I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable. Have a lovely Thursday, Andrea On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first! Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation. Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | <http://www.idrc.ca/> www.idrc.ca | <http://www.crdi.ca/> www.crdi.ca Error! Filename not specified. _____ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [timwololo@gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2010 08:26 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures. This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts. What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round. The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions. This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant. NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly. The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc). Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted. Useful links http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s html http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/ index.html http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: timwololo@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/timwololo%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/andrea.bohnstedt%40rati o-magazine.com -- Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com -- Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com No virus found in this incoming message. 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Perhaps consumers can claim that they dont care who develops their solutions, but local enterpreneurs and those working for public/Kenyan interest must care. We must be wary of those who keep sending pessimistic messages. The first battle is fought in the mind. I recall years ago sitting in a meeting at a home of the then Kenya World Bank country economist. In the meeting was a person who would later become the Governor of the Central Bank. The Governor to-be empatically spoke of people not realising what it took to grow an orange that could produce packaged orange juice - it was an impossibility for Kenya in his view. Kenyan farmers were toying with the idea of replicating Ceres (from SA) the first packaged real fruit juice Kenyans had seen. When I walk in a supermarket today, and see all the Kenyan fruit juice varieties, I am reminded that we must listen to our positive selves. I dont think Ceres survived the Kenya juice onslaught. regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 11:54:13 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Any innovation does/should go through some beta testing! That said, whether the system is developed in Silicon Valley or a backstreet in N’Djamena is immaterial. As a user, all I want is a system that meets my needs and is priced right Edwin From:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Andrea Bohnstedt Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:14 AM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Robert, I think you missed my point. I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally, use mugs made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road. If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood wasn't dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially massive harm done. I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very list, about mobile operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very worked up that this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this different from a trading system? In conclusion: I honestly don't care where the system comes from. I need it to work. That's the beauty of a global economy: you have the choice to buy whatever works best for you. If Kenyan companies compete on that level: excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from someone else. Andrea On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home MPesa/MKesho/PAP? Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for testing. All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and proven solution, NO. Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake. This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU". We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price. Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs. Asimuamushe alielala . . . Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From:Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hey all, Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers. I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable. Have a lovely Thursday, Andrea On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first! Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation. Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca| www.crdi.ca Error! Filename not specified. ________________________________ From:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [timwololo@gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2010 08:26 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject:Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures. This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts. What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round. The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions. This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant. NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly. The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc). Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted. Useful links http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s... http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/... http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: timwololo@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/timwololo%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/andrea.bohnstedt%40rati... -- Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com -- Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com No virus found in this incoming message. 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On point Wamuyu, you spoke like 5 Million Kenyans. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Perhaps consumers can claim that they dont care who develops their solutions, but local enterpreneurs and those working for public/Kenyan interest must care.
We must be wary of those who keep sending pessimistic messages. The first battle is fought in the mind. I recall years ago sitting in a meeting at a home of the then Kenya World Bank country economist. In the meeting was a person who would later become the Governor of the Central Bank. The Governor to-be empatically spoke of people not realising what it took to grow an orange that could produce packaged orange juice - it was an impossibility for Kenya in his view. Kenyan farmers were toying with the idea of replicating *Ceres* (from SA) the first packaged real fruit juice Kenyans had seen.
When I walk in a supermarket today, and see all the Kenyan fruit juice varieties, I am reminded that we must listen to our positive selves. I dont think Ceres survived the Kenya juice onslaught.
regards, Wamuyu
------------------------------ *From:* Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> *To:* wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thu, 23 September, 2010 11:54:13
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Any innovation does/should go through some beta testing! That said, whether the system is developed in Silicon Valley or a backstreet in N’Djamena is immaterial. As a user, all I want is a system that meets my needs and is priced right
Edwin
*From:* kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+eonchari <kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari>=lynxbits.com@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Andrea Bohnstedt *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:14 AM *To:* Edwin *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Robert, I think you missed my point.
I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally, use mugs made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road.
If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood wasn't dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially massive harm done.
I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very list, about mobile operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very worked up that this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this different from a trading system?
In conclusion: I honestly don't care where the system comes from. I need it to work. That's the beauty of a global economy: you have the choice to buy whatever works best for you. If Kenyan companies compete on that level: excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from someone else.
Andrea
On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home MPesa/MKesho/PAP? Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for testing.
All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and proven solution, NO.
Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake.
This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU".
We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price.
Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs.
Asimuamushe alielala . . .
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------
*From:* Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Hey all,
Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers.
I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable.
Have a lovely Thursday, Andrea
On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first!
Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation.
Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary.
Edith
*________________ *
*Edith Ofwona Adera** *
Senior Program Specialist
ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program
International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international
Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa
Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera
eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [ timwololo@gmail.com] *Sent:* 23 September 2010 08:26 *To:* Edith Adera
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures.
This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts.
What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round.
The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions.
This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant.
NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly.
The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc).
Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted.
Useful links
http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s...
http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html
http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40
http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/...
http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Jewish saying When they came for my neighbour I said nothing When they came for my brother I said nothing When they came for me there was no one to say anything This is what this attitude of I do not care where it comes from leads to. Have a negative week Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 11:54:13 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Any innovation does/should go through some beta testing! That said, whether the system is developed in Silicon Valley or a backstreet in N’Djamena is immaterial. As a user, all I want is a system that meets my needs and is priced right Edwin From:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Andrea Bohnstedt Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:14 AM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Robert, I think you missed my point. I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally, use mugs made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road. If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood wasn't dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially massive harm done. I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very list, about mobile operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very worked up that this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this different from a trading system? In conclusion: I honestly don't care where the system comes from. I need it to work. That's the beauty of a global economy: you have the choice to buy whatever works best for you. If Kenyan companies compete on that level: excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from someone else. Andrea On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home MPesa/MKesho/PAP? Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for testing. All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and proven solution, NO. Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake. This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU". We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price. Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs. Asimuamushe alielala . . . Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From:Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hey all, Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers. I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable. Have a lovely Thursday, Andrea On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first! Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation. Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca| www.crdi.ca Error! Filename not specified. ________________________________ From:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [timwololo@gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2010 08:26 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject:Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures. This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts. What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round. The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions. This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant. NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly. The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc). Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted. Useful links http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s... http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/... http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: timwololo@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/timwololo%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/andrea.bohnstedt%40rati... -- Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com -- Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com No virus found in this incoming message. 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Robert Your negative week has a good point. We are talking about the (NIMBY) Not In My Backyard Atitude. A system that works irrelevant of where it was made might have short time value but a system developed by someone who has very limited stakeholder value is very costly in the long run. So we believe because a system has worked somewhere else it will be reliable and better than a home grown product. That mentality would never have created Mpessa—like it or not Mobile Money as we know it world wide today was born in Kenya. The code might have been written elsewhere but the real implementation was in .ke region. My suggestion is that we embrace the EAC and open up local projects in all 5 countries to regional developers or encourage in external bidders to use local skills and services as much as possible when they are awarded contracts. Another way of securing work on big contracts for local developers is to make sure that the work permit system for IT staff is refined and emphasis on skills transfer for those roles where we are lacking is enforced. regards From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:33 PM To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Jewish saying When they came for my neighbour I said nothing When they came for my brother I said nothing When they came for me there was no one to say anything This is what this attitude of I do not care where it comes from leads to. Have a negative week Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 11:54:13 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Any innovation does/should go through some beta testing! That said, whether the system is developed in Silicon Valley or a backstreet in N’Djamena is immaterial. As a user, all I want is a system that meets my needs and is priced right Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Andrea Bohnstedt Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:14 AM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Robert, I think you missed my point. I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally, use mugs made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road. If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood wasn't dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially massive harm done. I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very list, about mobile operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very worked up that this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this different from a trading system? In conclusion: I honestly don't care where the system comes from. I need it to work. That's the beauty of a global economy: you have the choice to buy whatever works best for you. If Kenyan companies compete on that level: excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from someone else. Andrea On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home MPesa/MKesho/PAP? Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for testing. All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and proven solution, NO. Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake. This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU". We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price. Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs. Asimuamushe alielala . . . Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hey all, Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers. I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable. Have a lovely Thursday, Andrea On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first! Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation. Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | <http://www.idrc.ca/> www.idrc.ca | <http://www.crdi.ca/> www.crdi.ca Error! Filename not specified. _____ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [timwololo@gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2010 08:26 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures. This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts. What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round. The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions. This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant. NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly. The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc). Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted. Useful links http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s... http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/... http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: timwololo@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/timwololo%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/andrea.bohnstedt%40rati... -- Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com -- Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com No virus found in this incoming message. 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Badru , Well said in addition we need to go back to the basics, what is the defination of a system? most of this systems should not be treated as an end in themselves and as such a matter of life and death, they are vehicles, they should be kept simple, Bob, there is light at the end of the tunnel. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Badru Ntege <ntegeb@one2net.co.ug> wrote:
Robert
Your negative week has a good point. We are talking about the (NIMBY) Not In My Backyard Atitude. A system that works irrelevant of where it was made might have short time value but a system developed by someone who has very limited stakeholder value is very costly in the long run.
So we believe because a system has worked somewhere else it will be reliable and better than a home grown product. That mentality would never have created Mpessa—like it or not Mobile Money as we know it world wide today was born in Kenya. The code might have been written elsewhere but the real implementation was in .ke region.
My suggestion is that we embrace the EAC and open up local projects in all 5 countries to regional developers or encourage in external bidders to use local skills and services as much as possible when they are awarded contracts.
Another way of securing work on big contracts for local developers is to make sure that the work permit system for IT staff is refined and emphasis on skills transfer for those roles where we are lacking is enforced.
regards
*From:* kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb <kictanet-bounces%2Bntegeb>=one2net.co.ug@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *robert yawe *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:33 PM *To:* ntegeb@one2net.co.ug
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Jewish saying
When they came for my neighbour I said nothing
When they came for my brother I said nothing
When they came for me there was no one to say anything
This is what this attitude of I do not care where it comes from leads to.
Have a negative week
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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*From:* Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thu, 23 September, 2010 11:54:13 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Any innovation does/should go through some beta testing! That said, whether the system is developed in Silicon Valley or a backstreet in N’Djamena is immaterial. As a user, all I want is a system that meets my needs and is priced right
Edwin
*From:* kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+eonchari <kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari>=lynxbits.com@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Andrea Bohnstedt *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:14 AM *To:* Edwin *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Robert, I think you missed my point.
I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally, use mugs made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road.
If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood wasn't dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially massive harm done.
I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very list, about mobile operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very worked up that this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this different from a trading system?
In conclusion: I honestly don't care where the system comes from. I need it to work. That's the beauty of a global economy: you have the choice to buy whatever works best for you. If Kenyan companies compete on that level: excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from someone else.
Andrea
On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home MPesa/MKesho/PAP? Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for testing.
All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and proven solution, NO.
Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake.
This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU".
We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price.
Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs.
Asimuamushe alielala . . .
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------
*From:* Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Hey all,
Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers.
I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable.
Have a lovely Thursday, Andrea
On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote:
In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first!
Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation.
Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary.
Edith
*________________ *
*Edith Ofwona Adera** *
Senior Program Specialist
ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program
International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international
Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa
Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera
eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca | www.crdi.ca
*Error! Filename not specified.* ------------------------------
*From:* kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke[kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [ timwololo@gmail.com] *Sent:* 23 September 2010 08:26 *To:* Edith Adera
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures.
This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts.
What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round.
The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions.
This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant.
NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly.
The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc).
Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted.
Useful links
http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s...
http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html
http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40
http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/...
http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Badru, With regard to the EAC, DFID, InfoDev and Hivos are co-funding a project looking at ways of supporting ICT sector growth in East Africa through strengthening ICT SMEs. Have a look at www.infodev.org/icteastafrica and www.ictafrica.biz/ <http://www.ictafrica.biz/> Victor ________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Badru Ntege Sent: 23 September 2010 18:19 To: Victor Gathara Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Robert Your negative week has a good point. We are talking about the (NIMBY) Not In My Backyard Atitude. A system that works irrelevant of where it was made might have short time value but a system developed by someone who has very limited stakeholder value is very costly in the long run. So we believe because a system has worked somewhere else it will be reliable and better than a home grown product. That mentality would never have created Mpessa-like it or not Mobile Money as we know it world wide today was born in Kenya. The code might have been written elsewhere but the real implementation was in .ke region. My suggestion is that we embrace the EAC and open up local projects in all 5 countries to regional developers or encourage in external bidders to use local skills and services as much as possible when they are awarded contracts. Another way of securing work on big contracts for local developers is to make sure that the work permit system for IT staff is refined and emphasis on skills transfer for those roles where we are lacking is enforced. regards From: kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:33 PM To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Jewish saying When they came for my neighbour I said nothing When they came for my brother I said nothing When they came for me there was no one to say anything This is what this attitude of I do not care where it comes from leads to. Have a negative week Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 11:54:13 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Any innovation does/should go through some beta testing! That said, whether the system is developed in Silicon Valley or a backstreet in N'Djamena is immaterial. As a user, all I want is a system that meets my needs and is priced right Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Andrea Bohnstedt Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:14 AM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Robert, I think you missed my point. I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally, use mugs made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road. If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood wasn't dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially massive harm done. I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very list, about mobile operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very worked up that this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this different from a trading system? In conclusion: I honestly don't care where the system comes from. I need it to work. That's the beauty of a global economy: you have the choice to buy whatever works best for you. If Kenyan companies compete on that level: excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from someone else. Andrea On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and closer to home MPesa/MKesho/PAP? Even God created Adam and used him as a prototype for testing. All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was nothing but did the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a fully tested and proven solution, NO. Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain, complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake. This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU". We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in price. Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites, using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported chairs. Asimuamushe alielala . . . Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 9:35:41 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hey all, Both the NSE and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial, absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers. I actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable. Have a lovely Thursday, Andrea On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke> wrote: In other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first! Dr Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local innovation. Why do we have global award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be necessary. Edith ________________ Edith Ofwona Adera Senior Program Specialist ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le développement international Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera eadera@idrc.or.ke | www.idrc.ca <http://www.idrc.ca/> | www.crdi.ca <http://www.crdi.ca/> Error! Filename not specified. ________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [timwololo@gmail.com] Sent: 23 September 2010 08:26 To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System Hi everyone, Let us instead push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is not an option. Rgds. tm On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi, The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange to trade futures. This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit against the receipts. What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past the 1st round. The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to develop world class solutions. This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made this phrase redundant. NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we need to move quickly. The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system, warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system (acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc). Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has bolted. Useful links http://dn.nationmedia.com/DN/DN/2010/09/03/ArticleHtmls/03_09_2010_030_014.s... http://allafrica.com/stories/200904271171.html http://www.ratin.net/mainfeature.asp?id=40 http://www.monitor.co.ug/Business/Smart%20Money/-/688614/899436/-/bypmdxz/-/... http://www.unctad.info/upload/SUC/LusakaWorkshop/WarehouseServicesKenya.pdf Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: timwololo@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/timwololo%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/andrea.bohnstedt%40rati... -- Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com -- Andrea Bohnstedt Publisher +254 720 960 322 www.ratio-magazine.com No virus found in this incoming message. 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