Robert
Your
negative week has a good point. We are talking about the (NIMBY) Not In My
Backyard Atitude. A system that works irrelevant of where it was made
might have short time value but a system developed by someone who has very
limited stakeholder value is very costly in the long run.
So
we believe because a system has worked somewhere else it will be reliable and
better than a home grown product. That mentality would never have created
Mpessa—like it or not Mobile Money as we know it world wide today was born in
Kenya. The code might have been written elsewhere but the real
implementation was in .ke region.
My
suggestion is that we embrace the EAC and open up local projects in all
5 countries to regional developers or encourage in external bidders to use local
skills and services as much as possible when they are awarded
contracts.
Another
way of securing work on big contracts for local developers is to make sure that
the work permit system for IT staff is refined and emphasis on skills transfer
for those roles where we are lacking is enforced.
regards
From:
kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+ntegeb=one2net.co.ug@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf
Of robert yawe
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:33
PM
To: ntegeb@one2net.co.ug
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange
System
Jewish saying
When they came for my neighbour I said
nothing
When they came for my brother I said
nothing
When they came for me there was no one to say
anything
This is what this attitude of I do not care where it comes
from leads to.
Have a negative week
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System
Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi,
00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
From: Edwin Onchari
<eonchari@lynxbits.com>
To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
Cc:
KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010
11:54:13
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange
System
Any
innovation does/should go through some beta testing! That said, whether
the system is developed in Silicon Valley or a backstreet in N’Djamena is
immaterial. As a user, all I want is a system that meets my needs and is priced
right
Edwin
From:
kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On
Behalf Of Andrea Bohnstedt
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010
11:14 AM
To: Edwin
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange
System
Robert, I think you missed my
point.
I wear clothes by Kenyan fashion designers, shoes made locally,
use mugs made here, and I have had all my office furniture made on Ngong Road.
If my locally made furniture is a bit out of shape because the wood
wasn't dried properly, no harm done. If a trading system messes up, potentially
massive harm done.
I recall discussions a week or two ago, on this very
list, about mobile operators' billing and other systems, and how people got very
worked up that this wasn't working properly. And rightly so. How is this
different from a trading system?
In conclusion: I honestly don't care
where the system comes from. I need it to work. That's the beauty of a global
economy: you have the choice to buy whatever works best for you. If Kenyan
companies compete on that level: excellent. If they don't - I'll buy from
someone else.
Andrea
On 23 September 2010 10:23, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Who had tested the DOS operating system, Windows OS and
closer to home MPesa/MKesho/PAP? Even God created Adam and used him as a
prototype for testing.
All systems must begin somewhere, at some point there was
nothing but did the fellows who developed the NSE's ATS system begin with a
fully tested and proven solution, NO.
Lets stop belittling ourselves, I got children without having
to pass an exam on parenting so why do we think that we cannot develop a
reliable solution from scratch, we are baby cries all we do is complain,
complain, complain and when an opportunity presents itself we crucify
it, stone it and finally burn it at the stake.
This can only be explained with the great words of our mighty
President, "hi ni u kumbafu" and as interpreted, by one Hon. Michuki, for the
uninitiated like Andrea "ni mutu ambaye anajua kile anatakiwa kufanya lakini
anakataa kukifanya, huyo ni KUBAFU".
We we cannot pull ourselves out of this importation quagmire
lets stop consuming bandwidth that the ISPs have sworn never to reduce in
price.
Lets all have a good day dressed in our imported suites,
using imported software, on imported computers and sitting on imported
chairs.
Asimuamushe alielala . . .
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System
Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi,
00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
From: Andrea Bohnstedt
<andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com>
To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Thu, 23
September, 2010 9:35:41
Subject:
Re: [kictanet] Commodity Exchange System
Hey all,
Both the NSE
and a future commodity exchange are trading platforms, and I think it's crucial,
absolutely crucial, that they have flawless technology behind them - look at it
from the perspective of anyone who trades on them, whether small retail
investors (of which Kenya has hundreds of thousands) or large brokers.
I
actually don't care where such a system comes from, whether it's built locally
or abroad. But I don't think these are the right places to experiment with new
systems. It has to be tried and tested and reliable.
Have a lovely
Thursday,
Andrea
On 23 September 2010 09:23, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.or.ke>
wrote:
In
other African countries, even where such large projects are outsourced to
foreigners, twinning is done with local IT firms as a requirement and subsequent
roll-out to branch offices are done entirely by locals - I'm aware of a massive
systems deployment within government in a neighboring country where such
twinning is being done and the system roll-out will be done by locals. NCPB is a
government agency, correct? If so, the government should look inward first!
Dr
Ndemo, any comment? You've always been an advocate of local
innovation.
Why do we have global
award winners who can't be tried and tested locally? what policy should be in
place to encourage local software innovation? The argument that local firms are
free to competet alongside international firms at this stage of our development
is a "tired" argument in my view. Some "affirmative action" policy may be
necessary.
Edith
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From:
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Behalf Of Mwololo Tim [timwololo@gmail.com]
Sent: 23 September 2010
08:26
To: Edith Adera
Cc:
KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet]
Commodity Exchange System
Hi everyone,
Let us instead
push for a policy that is supportive of local software development. Giving up is
not an option. Rgds. tm
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
The National Cereals and Produce Board together with the East
African Grain Council are working towards the creation of a commodity exchange
to trade futures.
This process is at an advanced stage which begun with a
process called warehouse receipting and currently Equity Bank offers credit
against the receipts.
What does this have to do with us in the IT field? When
the Nairobi Stock Exchange tendered for the automated trading system (ATS) and
more recently for the Broker Back-office System no local IT company made it past
the 1st round.
The fact that companies like Virtual City are winning
international awards for systems development and others like PesaPal are
receiving large direct foreign investments means that we do have the skills to
develop world class solutions.
This is an appeal to all ICT experts in the country to
prepare ourselves to make sure that the grain exchange system is locally
developed and we stop being spectators in our own country. I know it is
said that a prophet is never recognised in his own town, it is time we made
this phrase redundant.
NCPB and others are already shopping overseas for a solution
so be warned that time is not in our hands and if we are to have an impact we
need to move quickly.
The proposed system is supposed to provide a trading
platform, depository system, GIS for land information, settlement system,
warehouse management, weather monitoring and seed planting information system
(acreage, seed type, fertiliser, etc).
Lets get off our high horses and put a together a world class
solution for a local problem. No tears after the horse has
bolted.
Useful links
Robert Yawe
KAY System
Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi,
00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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