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Hi All, There seems cases of cable vandalism are growing out of control. What is really happening? Telkom Kenya seems to be crying more. Is this really 'sabotage' or it is a mere cry baby? Jevans DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Nation Media Group. �To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit http://mobile.nation.co.ke to read news on your mobile phone.�
Hi Jevans, I do not think Telkom are crying alone. This is a situation that affects KDN too. The statistics are high, in some cases at least two fiber cuts per week. It is indeed an economic menace that service providers have to ask for some support of some kind.. Maybe someone among the listers could have an idea. Evelyn - KDN _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jevans Nyabiage Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:25 AM To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Hi All, There seems cases of cable vandalism are growing out of control. What is really happening? Telkom Kenya seems to be crying more. Is this really 'sabotage' or it is a mere cry baby? Jevans DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the <http://www.nation.co.ke> Nation Media Group. To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit http://mobile.nation.co.ke to read news on your mobile phone.
I think the real issue here is what the government is doing do arrest the situation, mere talk of stiffer penalties with no real action is not going to stop individuals interested in sabotage. I think the ministry incharge should excise its teeth and act immediately on this cases. This seems to be an issue that has led to very minimal excitement on the landing of fibre. Most importantly industry players should also address the issue TOGETHER and stop this counter accusations. I don't think this is building confidence in the whole FOC. Just me two cents Regards Henry On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jevans Nyabiage <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi All,
There seems cases of cable vandalism are growing out of control.
What is really happening?
Telkom Kenya seems to be crying more. Is this really ‘sabotage’ or it is a mere cry baby?
Jevans
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Which beggars the question -- wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run to fix the underlying problem -- restricting physical access to the cabling -- once and for all? Why can't all the stakeholders come together and pool resources and come up with some sort of tunnel infrastructure with smart card controlled access hatches and service tunnels where all these cables are encased in the physical security of concrete? And no, the usual card of appealing to government need not be played. Let the players take initiative. It's in their own best interest. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Henry Okatch <[email protected]> wrote:
I think the real issue here is what the government is doing do arrest the situation, mere talk of stiffer penalties with no real action is not going to stop individuals interested in sabotage. I think the ministry incharge should excise its teeth and act immediately on this cases. This seems to be an issue that has led to very minimal excitement on the landing of fibre. Most importantly industry players should also address the issue TOGETHER and stop this counter accusations. I don't think this is building confidence in the whole FOC.
Just me two cents
Regards Henry
Perhaps this can be fed into the bill >> http://www.cck.go.ke/current_consultations/ Perhaps its a bit late to submit comments but protection of ICT investments is paramount, you may want to check if this would be accommodated On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Rad! <[email protected]> wrote:
Which beggars the question -- wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run to fix the underlying problem -- restricting physical access to the cabling -- once and for all?
Why can't all the stakeholders come together and pool resources and come up with some sort of tunnel infrastructure with smart card controlled access hatches and service tunnels where all these cables are encased in the physical security of concrete?
And no, the usual card of appealing to government need not be played.
Let the players take initiative. It's in their own best interest.
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Henry Okatch <[email protected]> wrote:
I think the real issue here is what the government is doing do arrest the situation, mere talk of stiffer penalties with no real action is not going to stop individuals interested in sabotage. I think the ministry incharge should excise its teeth and act immediately on this cases. This seems to be an issue that has led to very minimal excitement on the landing of fibre. Most importantly industry players should also address the issue TOGETHER and stop this counter accusations. I don't think this is building confidence in the whole FOC.
Just me two cents
Regards Henry
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Now that we are talking of vandalism, how does the KPLC fibre work? It is underground or over the wire poles? Some 'electrocution' (as suggested by one of the members...:-)) would teach the thieves some lesson!!! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rad! Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:21 PM To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Which beggars the question -- wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run to fix the underlying problem -- restricting physical access to the cabling -- once and for all? Why can't all the stakeholders come together and pool resources and come up with some sort of tunnel infrastructure with smart card controlled access hatches and service tunnels where all these cables are encased in the physical security of concrete? And no, the usual card of appealing to government need not be played. Let the players take initiative. It's in their own best interest. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Henry Okatch <[email protected]> wrote:
I think the real issue here is what the government is doing do arrest the situation, mere talk of stiffer penalties with no real action is not going to stop individuals interested in sabotage. I think the ministry incharge should excise its teeth and act immediately on this cases. This seems to be an issue that has led to very minimal excitement on the landing of fibre. Most importantly industry players should also address the issue TOGETHER and stop this counter accusations. I don't think this is building confidence in the whole FOC.
Just me two cents
Regards Henry
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Esther The kplc fibre is up in the sky - you can dare to cut it once but you will not live to cut another fibre !! ----- Cable breakage will never cease for varied reasons - cable operators should build redundancy through self healing rings as a long term measure Cheers MM -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Esther Muchiri Sent: 09 February 2010 17:51 To: [email protected] Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Now that we are talking of vandalism, how does the KPLC fibre work? It is underground or over the wire poles? Some 'electrocution' (as suggested by one of the members...:-)) would teach the thieves some lesson!!! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rad! Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:21 PM To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Which beggars the question -- wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run to fix the underlying problem -- restricting physical access to the cabling -- once and for all? Why can't all the stakeholders come together and pool resources and come up with some sort of tunnel infrastructure with smart card controlled access hatches and service tunnels where all these cables are encased in the physical security of concrete? And no, the usual card of appealing to government need not be played. Let the players take initiative. It's in their own best interest. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Henry Okatch <[email protected]> wrote:
I think the real issue here is what the government is doing do arrest the situation, mere talk of stiffer penalties with no real action is not going to stop individuals interested in sabotage. I think the ministry incharge should excise its teeth and act immediately on this cases. This seems to be an issue that has led to very minimal excitement on the landing of fibre. Most importantly industry players should also address the issue TOGETHER and stop this counter accusations. I don't think this is building confidence in the whole FOC.
Just me two cents
Regards Henry
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As we discuss the vandalism menace, lets consider also they way the fibres are laid. Take a look at Argwings Kodhek road where there are quite a number of overhead fibres on the KPLC lines, these cables hung so precariously that two days a go a bus almost cut one of them. If it did, it might have been considered vandalism! There was high risk of electrocution when the driver attempted to remove it from the bus carrier. Which begs the question, are there standards in place that these contractors adhere to or what is the situation? Sam
Esther The kplc fibre is up in the sky - you can dare to climb and cut it once but you will not live to cut another fibre !! ----- that is the ultimate deterrence Cable breakage will never cease for varied reasons - cable operators should build redundancy through self healing rings as a long term measure. It is the standard. Cheers MM -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.k e] On Behalf Of Esther Muchiri Sent: 09 February 2010 17:51 To: [email protected] Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Now that we are talking of vandalism, how does the KPLC fibre work? It is underground or over the wire poles? Some 'electrocution' (as suggested by one of the members...:-)) would teach the thieves some lesson!!! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rad! Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:21 PM To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Which beggars the question -- wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run to fix the underlying problem -- restricting physical access to the cabling -- once and for all? Why can't all the stakeholders come together and pool resources and come up with some sort of tunnel infrastructure with smart card controlled access hatches and service tunnels where all these cables are encased in the physical security of concrete? And no, the usual card of appealing to government need not be played. Let the players take initiative. It's in their own best interest. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Henry Okatch <[email protected]> wrote:
I think the real issue here is what the government is doing do arrest the situation, mere talk of stiffer penalties with no real action is not going to stop individuals interested in sabotage. I think the ministry incharge should excise its teeth and act immediately on this cases. This seems to be an issue that has led to very minimal excitement on the landing of fibre. Most importantly industry players should also address the issue TOGETHER and stop this counter accusations. I don't think this is building confidence in the whole FOC.
Just me two cents
Regards Henry
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Henry, If today you had the power that the Government has, what is the something you would do to these thieves? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Henry Okatch <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:16:38 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Should this not be made a capital offence? Which of these competitors cannot afford just Sh1 million? The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act says any person found guilty of cable vandalism is liable to five-year jail term or a fine of Sh1 million. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:11 PM To: Jevans Nyabiage Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Henry, If today you had the power that the Government has, what is the something you would do to these thieves? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry(r) -----Original Message----- From: Henry Okatch <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:16:38 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jnyabiage%40nation.co.k... DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Nation Media Group. �To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit http://mobile.nation.co.ke to read news on your mobile phone.�
Gentlemen and ladies, This is not the road to follow. Will there also be a new police unit dedicated to patrolling the cables? Instead of toughening the laws against theft why not start with simple solutions like locking the door? The problem is unrestricted access to the cables. Let the solution be securing them. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Jevans Nyabiage <[email protected]> wrote:
Should this not be made a capital offence? Which of these competitors cannot afford just Sh1 million?
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act says any person found guilty of cable vandalism is liable to five-year jail term or a fine of Sh1 million.
Jevans, The problem is us. Until we get to know wrong and right, we shall complain for ever. Understanding these basics would lead to ethical behaviour where we shall have a national moral vision and values. The jails wont do it. Every Kenyan knows we need the Fibre Optic for better communication. But we have some selfish highly unethical small minded people who think to be competitive is to sabotage your competitor. These are the people paying criminals to damage infrastructure. One day the long arm of the Government will catch up with them. At the sight of every opportunity we complain. Now we ask what to do with excess harvest yet we have internet. Those of us with the knowledge should help the poor farmers make cheese out of their milk. Check agoa export list. Cheese is among the prominent products. Cheese making would create additional jobs and revenue to the country. On maize, we have thousands of graduates from JKUAT with enormous post harvest knowledge. Another opportunity to delay consumption, create jobs, increase food security and so on. The seemingly unsamountable problems are great opportunities. So Robert should seek how we (all of us) can help the situation. When you see a house burning you do not start asking why the city council is not coming to put off the fire. NCPB can do what they want but let us use our knowledge to help those cannot help themselves. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Rad!" <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:33:46 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Gentlemen and ladies, This is not the road to follow. Will there also be a new police unit dedicated to patrolling the cables? Instead of toughening the laws against theft why not start with simple solutions like locking the door? The problem is unrestricted access to the cables. Let the solution be securing them. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Jevans Nyabiage <[email protected]> wrote:
Should this not be made a capital offence? Which of these competitors cannot afford just Sh1 million?
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act says any person found guilty of cable vandalism is liable to five-year jail term or a fine of Sh1 million.
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Jevans, I totally agree with you. I think to answer Dr. Ndemo's question, why not classify the fiber optic infrastructure as "Critical National Communication Infrastructure" and make vandalism a capital offence without the option of a fine. in the same vein, IP network providers should work together to defend the infrastructure as one entity and jointly safeguard the multi-billion shilling investment instead of fighting media wars for individual benefit. A joint national anti-vandalism education campaign would be a good start. Not all fiber vandals in the rural and urban areas understand the risk of their actions, especially since they don't see how the fiber crossing their village is benefiting them directly. For all they know, it only serves the rich people living in the towns where the fiber is heading. Villagers need to own the fiber. How? 1. By fiber companies ensuring that there are digital centres in the villages where the fiber is passing for villagers to see its benefits (just like power cables;cut power cables in village= no power=darkness,no TV=no development). 2. Establishing a fiber police unit! Any other suggestions good people?? On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Jevans Nyabiage <[email protected]>wrote:
Should this not be made a capital offence? Which of these competitors cannot afford just Sh1 million?
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act says any person found guilty of cable vandalism is liable to five-year jail term or a fine of Sh1 million.
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Henry, If today you had the power that the Government has, what is the something you would do to these thieves?
Ndemo.
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It is not only punishment.. Fiber police .. Well how many people do you want to deploy all over the country? What is lacking is understanding and respect When it comes to vandals .. If it was their child needing medical assistance and the call does not go through because of a cable cut .. Contractors (Road, Water and other industries ..) they regard fiber not as an important infrastructure .. So why bother to avoid damage .. Property owners ... Cutting the fiber and then complaining about the Internet being down .. Building owners asking for rent for fiber to be terminated . Are they getting paid rent by KPLC, TKL, Water . Education should solve the problem .. Last category: Saboteurs .. TREASON Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Kevin Gesendet: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 17:50 An: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Betreff: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Jevans, I totally agree with you. I think to answer Dr. Ndemo's question, why not classify the fiber optic infrastructure as "Critical National Communication Infrastructure" and make vandalism a capital offence without the option of a fine. in the same vein, IP network providers should work together to defend the infrastructure as one entity and jointly safeguard the multi-billion shilling investment instead of fighting media wars for individual benefit. A joint national anti-vandalism education campaign would be a good start. Not all fiber vandals in the rural and urban areas understand the risk of their actions, especially since they don't see how the fiber crossing their village is benefiting them directly. For all they know, it only serves the rich people living in the towns where the fiber is heading. Villagers need to own the fiber. How? 1. By fiber companies ensuring that there are digital centres in the villages where the fiber is passing for villagers to see its benefits (just like power cables;cut power cables in village= no power=darkness,no TV=no development). 2. Establishing a fiber police unit! Any other suggestions good people?? On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Jevans Nyabiage <[email protected]> wrote: Should this not be made a capital offence? Which of these competitors cannot afford just Sh1 million? The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act says any person found guilty of cable vandalism is liable to five-year jail term or a fine of Sh1 million. -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+jnyabiage=nation.co.ke <http://nation.co.ke/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+jnyabiage <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bjnyabiage> =nation.co.ke <http://nation.co.ke/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> ] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:11 PM To: Jevans Nyabiage Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Henry, If today you had the power that the Government has, what is the something you would do to these thieves? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry(r) -----Original Message----- From: Henry Okatch <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:16:38 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jnyabiage%40nation.co.k e DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. 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Now, If the statistics we are hearing, and the so-called "confessions" are to go by, then am afraid the debate here is on the wrong footing... If 95% of the cuts, are the service providers themselves, sabotouring/sabotaging (one should do) each other, then I think these bright chaps have an answer to this urgent problem. Infact they should stop dragging us into all this debate. I suppose we should demand they come around the table, agree on how to work together, and move forward without any further delay. You see, in fact one way of shielding against this, is jointly all of them using one duct, to pipe out the cable so that no one would know which cable to sabotage/saboteur ( again one should do) Esther, to answer your question. KPLC could be a much safer, option. Some 'live' current flowing nearby, could be too close for comfort for any saboteur. Unless he/she is on a suicide mission. Harry _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:50 PM To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Jevans, I totally agree with you. I think to answer Dr. Ndemo's question, why not classify the fiber optic infrastructure as "Critical National Communication Infrastructure" and make vandalism a capital offence without the option of a fine. in the same vein, IP network providers should work together to defend the infrastructure as one entity and jointly safeguard the multi-billion shilling investment instead of fighting media wars for individual benefit. A joint national anti-vandalism education campaign would be a good start. Not all fiber vandals in the rural and urban areas understand the risk of their actions, especially since they don't see how the fiber crossing their village is benefiting them directly. For all they know, it only serves the rich people living in the towns where the fiber is heading. Villagers need to own the fiber. How? 1. By fiber companies ensuring that there are digital centres in the villages where the fiber is passing for villagers to see its benefits (just like power cables;cut power cables in village= no power=darkness,no TV=no development). 2. Establishing a fiber police unit! Any other suggestions good people?? On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Jevans Nyabiage <[email protected]> wrote: Should this not be made a capital offence? Which of these competitors cannot afford just Sh1 million? The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act says any person found guilty of cable vandalism is liable to five-year jail term or a fine of Sh1 million. -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+jnyabiage=nation.co.ke <http://nation.co.ke/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+jnyabiage <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bjnyabiage> =nation.co.ke <http://nation.co.ke/> @lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/> ] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:11 PM To: Jevans Nyabiage Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace Henry, If today you had the power that the Government has, what is the something you would do to these thieves? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry(r) -----Original Message----- From: Henry Okatch <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:16:38 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jnyabiage%40nation.co.k e DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. 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Well Said Harry. I think the solution is to work together (i.e if the statistics is to be believed). My on ly concern is there was so much excitement about FOC and with all this down time being experienced due to Fibre cuts every now and then as a consumer I begin to wonder whether really this is the only thing to be said about fibre. Shouting at the top how you have arrested people in the act of Fibre vandalism is good and bad. Yes it serves as a warning to would be vandals, but the other side of the coin is the consumer who is slowly losing faith in the FOC because everytime my net is down "Ohh it must be a Fibre cut.." Broadband everywhere is good for everyone so competitors should start working together towards a greater good! Regards Henry On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Harry Delano <[email protected]> wrote:
Now,
If the statistics we are hearing, and the so-called "confessions" are to go by, then am afraid the debate here is on the wrong footing...
If 95% of the cuts, are the service providers themselves, sabotouring/sabotaging (one should do) each other, then I think these bright chaps have an answer to this urgent problem. Infact they should stop dragging us into all this debate. I suppose we should demand they come around the table, agree on how to work together, and move forward without any further delay.
You see, in fact one way of shielding against this, is jointly all of them using one duct, to pipe out the cable so that no one would know which cable to sabotage/saboteur ( again one should do)
Esther, to answer your question. KPLC could be a much safer, option. Some 'live' current flowing nearby, could be too close for comfort for any saboteur.
Unless he/she is on a suicide mission.
Harry
------------------------------ *From:* [email protected][mailto: kictanet-bounces+harry <kictanet-bounces%2Bharry>=comtelsys.co.ke@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Kevin *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:50 PM *To:* [email protected]
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace
Jevans,
I totally agree with you. I think to answer Dr. Ndemo's question, why not classify the fiber optic infrastructure as "Critical National Communication Infrastructure" and make vandalism a capital offence without the option of a fine. in the same vein, IP network providers should work together to defend the infrastructure as one entity and jointly safeguard the multi-billion shilling investment instead of fighting media wars for individual benefit.
A joint national anti-vandalism education campaign would be a good start. Not all fiber vandals in the rural and urban areas understand the risk of their actions, especially since they don't see how the fiber crossing their village is benefiting them directly. For all they know, it only serves the rich people living in the towns where the fiber is heading. Villagers need to own the fiber. How?
1. By fiber companies ensuring that there are digital centres in the villages where the fiber is passing for villagers to see its benefits (just like power cables;cut power cables in village= no power=darkness,no TV=no development).
2. Establishing a fiber police unit!
Any other suggestions good people??
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Jevans Nyabiage <[email protected]>wrote:
Should this not be made a capital offence? Which of these competitors cannot afford just Sh1 million?
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act says any person found guilty of cable vandalism is liable to five-year jail term or a fine of Sh1 million.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected][mailto: kictanet-bounces+jnyabiage <kictanet-bounces%2Bjnyabiage>=nation.co.ke@ lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:11 PM To: Jevans Nyabiage Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace
Henry, If today you had the power that the Government has, what is the something you would do to these thieves?
Ndemo.
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Some time back I indicated that vanadalism happens everywhere in the world, Silicon valley cables were cut late last year. Sabotage happens in Kenya only, let's introduce the concept of shared service ofcourse within a controlled framework. BR EJ Sent from my iPhone On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:42 PM, "Harry Delano" <[email protected]> wrote:
Now,
If the statistics we are hearing, and the so-called "confessions" are to go by, then am afraid the debate here is on the wrong footing...
If 95% of the cuts, are the service providers themselves, sabotouring/sabotaging (one should do) each other, then I think these bright chaps have an answer to this urgent problem. Infact they should stop dragging us into all this debate. I suppose we should demand they come around the table, agree on how to work together, and move forward without any further delay.
You see, in fact one way of shielding against this, is jointly all of them using one duct, to pipe out the cable so that no one would know which cable to sabotage/saboteur ( again one should do)
Esther, to answer your question. KPLC could be a much safer, option. Some 'live' current flowing nearby, could be too close for comfort for any saboteur.
Unless he/she is on a suicide mission.
Harry
From: [email protected] [mailto:kictanet-bounces [email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:50 PM To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace
Jevans,
I totally agree with you. I think to answer Dr. Ndemo's question, why not classify the fiber optic infrastructure as "Critical National Communication Infrastructure" and make vandalism a capital offence without the option of a fine. in the same vein, IP network providers should work together to defend the infrastructure as one entity and jointly safeguard the multi-billion shilling investment instead of fighting media wars for individual benefit.
A joint national anti-vandalism education campaign would be a good start. Not all fiber vandals in the rural and urban areas understand the risk of their actions, especially since they don't see how the fiber crossing their village is benefiting them directly. For all they know, it only serves the rich people living in the towns where the fiber is heading. Villagers need to own the fiber. How?
1. By fiber companies ensuring that there are digital centres in the villages where the fiber is passing for villagers to see its benefits (just like power cables;cut power cables in village= no power=darkness,no TV=no development).
2. Establishing a fiber police unit!
Any other suggestions good people??
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Jevans Nyabiage <[email protected]
wrote: Should this not be made a capital offence? Which of these competitors cannot afford just Sh1 million?
The Kenya Communications (Amendment) Act says any person found guilty of cable vandalism is liable to five-year jail term or a fine of Sh1 million.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:kictanet-bounces [email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:11 PM To: Jevans Nyabiage Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace
Henry, If today you had the power that the Government has, what is the something you would do to these thieves?
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry(r)
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Does the MULIKA MWIZI! Initiative by KPLC have a reward if one reports a thieve? Maybe we can learn from them on how successful this has been and borrow some lessons. I am sure someone in Kenya has seen the thieves in action - but we are too busy minding our own business to report them. It is a terrible Kenyan culture of 'shauri yao' which we all must break away from! ******************************************************************** Patience is not the ability to wait, but the ability to keep a good attitude while waiting! - Anonymous From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Henry Okatch Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:17 PM To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vandalism menace I think the real issue here is what the government is doing do arrest the situation, mere talk of stiffer penalties with no real action is not going to stop individuals interested in sabotage. I think the ministry incharge should excise its teeth and act immediately on this cases. This seems to be an issue that has led to very minimal excitement on the landing of fibre. Most importantly industry players should also address the issue TOGETHER and stop this counter accusations. I don't think this is building confidence in the whole FOC. Just me two cents Regards Henry On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jevans Nyabiage <[email protected]> wrote: Hi All, There seems cases of cable vandalism are growing out of control. What is really happening? Telkom Kenya seems to be crying more. Is this really 'sabotage' or it is a mere cry baby? Jevans DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the <http://www.nation.co.ke/> Nation Media Group. To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit http://mobile.nation.co.ke <http://mobile.nation.co.ke/> to read news on your mobile phone. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/hokatch%40gmail.com
dear listers --the same people who are doing this unlawful act of destroying the very backbone of this countries economic development are the same people we are living with they go out in the morning and we watch them come back in the evening, we watch them go out in the eveining and then they come back in the late night. we live with them every day of our lives, we protect them yet we know who they really are, so the blame is on us, we should prevent such awfull act by not protecting them when we know they are on the wrong. we should report them to save ourselves.
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