ICANN: Africa must work hard too...
http://wanjiku.co.ke/ ICANN: Africa must work hard too... 08 03 2010 Comments: 3 Available in: English There are many African governments and citizens who do not understand the role of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. For some, ICANN should operate in the bottom later ensuring that we have internet access and that the pipes are faster. Others think that ICANN should be involved in the running of domain registries, which are in shambles and in some cases fighting over petty issues. Others think that ICANN is there to fund them; talk of reliance on aid. Of course ICANN has no role in all these things and what it points is that more outreach is needed and maybe ICANN should have an office in Africa. But how? According to Rod Beckstrom, 90 percent of ICANN contributions come from North America, so that may be the reason why we have 3 offices in the US and none in Africa. That makes sense; if Africa does not contribute anything, how will the office be supported? So, for Africa to be on level terms, then we must also be willing to contribute, but am not sure how when our registry operations are still manual. I was chatting with Rafik Dammak, who accuses me of complaining or whining too much but then, what do I do? Rafik told me of how the various constituencies within ICANN are always looking for participants but what do you do when they dont contribute to those meetings and in some cases stay outside within the coffee houses instead of meeting rooms? Yes, its good to have geographical representations but we also need to start bringing something on the table and contributing to the debate more than we do currently. Regarding the financial contributions, I have no words; will leave it for the others. Ends
All I left a comment yesterday, to wit: "African countries participate in ICANN by sending reps to the GAC. AFAIK, NO countries fund ICANN, it's registries that fund ICANN for the most part. AfriNIC DOES make substantial contributions as part of the ASO. In other words, ICANN is funded (in part) by all ISPs and telcos in Africa that have IP address blocks from AfriNIC." see more inline below: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 5:52 PM, <alice@apc.org> wrote:
ICANN: Africa must work hard too... 08 03 2010 Comments: 3 Available in: English
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Of course ICANN has no role in all these things and what it points is that more outreach is needed and maybe ICANN should have an office in Africa.
Perhaps, but consider what has been spent on new gTLd process already 10 M USD IIRC) and what an EOI will cost (55k USD) to make up for this. Then consider the extra overhead of a 4th office (and a 5th, as South America will feel unrepresented), then add those overhead costs on to the costs of a new gTLD domain, and instead of an estimated 185k USD to get a new gTLD, it will cost much more pricing developing country players out of this potential market. AfriNIC, as part of the NRO (and thus the ASO) is an ICANN process in Africa. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
The notion of the USA contributing 90% to ICANN ,because most registrars, are based there was challenged at the ccNSO meeting yesterday. The registrars obtain their revenues from internet users across the world - and Africa's share is growing especially with broadband. Europeans and others who spoke thereafter in the ccNSO meeting all began their statements by saying that they make payments to ICANN. regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: "alice@apc.org" <alice@apc.org> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 17:52:40 Subject: [kictanet] ICANN: Africa must work hard too... http://wanjiku.co.ke/ ICANN: Africa must work hard too... 08 03 2010 Comments: 3 Available in: English There are many African governments and citizens who do not understand the role of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. For some, ICANN should operate in the bottom later ensuring that we have internet access and that the pipes are faster. Others think that ICANN should be involved in the running of domain registries, which are in shambles and in some cases fighting over petty issues. Others think that ICANN is there to fund them; talk of reliance on aid. Of course ICANN has no role in all these things and what it points is that more outreach is needed and maybe ICANN should have an office in Africa. But how? According to Rod Beckstrom, 90 percent of ICANN contributions come from North America, so that may be the reason why we have 3 offices in the US and none in Africa. That makes sense; if Africa does not contribute anything, how will the office be supported? So, for Africa to be on level terms, then we must also be willing to contribute, but am not sure how when our registry operations are still manual. I was chatting with Rafik Dammak, who accuses me of complaining or whining too much but then, what do I do? Rafik told me of how the various constituencies within ICANN are always looking for participants but what do you do when they dont contribute to those meetings and in some cases stay outside within the coffee houses instead of meeting rooms? Yes, its good to have geographical representations but we also need to start bringing something on the table and contributing to the debate more than we do currently. Regarding the financial contributions, I have no words; will leave it for the others. Ends _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wamuyulearn%40yahoo.co....
Good observation Becky, Am glad similar concerns were raised by the CEO KIXP at a forum with the President Rod Beckstrom, she articulately raised the fact that the constituencies need to be demystified and the president alluded to this fact, i noted that there are "ICANN VETERANS" and they are quick to notify you on this which literally freezes a fast timer, however the fact that we are thinking this way shows that we are moving in the right direction, Dr. Siganga has for a number of times urged the local community on this forum to join those constituencies the dilemma is which one to join, we need forums at country level to look at how we can contribute significantly to the ICANN process, the constituencies are many and it is easy to get lost in the cloud. Probably it can be a structured discussion on KICTANET, what do you say Walu? Regards On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The notion of the USA contributing 90% to ICANN ,because most registrars, are based there was challenged at the ccNSO meeting yesterday. The registrars obtain their revenues from internet users across the world - and Africa's share is growing especially with broadband. Europeans and others who spoke thereafter in the ccNSO meeting all began their statements by saying that they make payments to ICANN.
regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: "alice@apc.org" <alice@apc.org> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 17:52:40 Subject: [kictanet] ICANN: Africa must work hard too...
ICANN: Africa must work hard too... 08 03 2010 Comments: 3 Available in: English
There are many African governments and citizens who do not understand the role of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.
For some, ICANN should operate in the bottom later ensuring that we have internet access and that the pipes are faster. Others think that ICANN should be involved in the running of domain registries, which are in shambles and in some cases fighting over petty issues. Others think that ICANN is there to fund them; talk of reliance on aid.
Of course ICANN has no role in all these things and what it points is that more outreach is needed and maybe ICANN should have an office in Africa.
But how? According to Rod Beckstrom, 90 percent of ICANN contributions come from North America, so that may be the reason why we have 3 offices in the US and none in Africa.
That makes sense; if Africa does not contribute anything, how will the office be supported? So, for Africa to be on level terms, then we must also be willing to contribute, but am not sure how when our registry operations are still manual.
I was chatting with Rafik Dammak, who accuses me of complaining or whining too much but then, what do I do?
Rafik told me of how the various constituencies within ICANN are always looking for participants but what do you do when they dont contribute to those meetings and in some cases stay outside within the coffee houses instead of meeting rooms?
Yes, its good to have geographical representations but we also need to start bringing something on the table and contributing to the debate more than we do currently.
Regarding the financial contributions, I have no words; will leave it for the others.
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Hi barack, It would be fairly trivial for kictanet to become an als (member) in at-large. The bottom line is that individuals should become involved as per individual interests. Rgds, mctim On 3/11/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Good observation Becky,
Am glad similar concerns were raised by the CEO KIXP at a forum with the President Rod Beckstrom, she articulately raised the fact that the constituencies need to be demystified and the president alluded to this fact, i noted that there are "ICANN VETERANS" and they are quick to notify you on this which literally freezes a fast timer, however the fact that we are thinking this way shows that we are moving in the right direction, Dr. Siganga has for a number of times urged the local community on this forum to join those constituencies the dilemma is which one to join, we need forums at country level to look at how we can contribute significantly to the ICANN process, the constituencies are many and it is easy to get lost in the cloud. Probably it can be a structured discussion on KICTANET, what do you say Walu? Regards
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The notion of the USA contributing 90% to ICANN ,because most registrars, are based there was challenged at the ccNSO meeting yesterday. The registrars obtain their revenues from internet users across the world - and Africa's share is growing especially with broadband. Europeans and others who spoke thereafter in the ccNSO meeting all began their statements by saying that they make payments to ICANN.
regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: "alice@apc.org" <alice@apc.org> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 17:52:40 Subject: [kictanet] ICANN: Africa must work hard too...
ICANN: Africa must work hard too... 08 03 2010 Comments: 3 Available in: English
There are many African governments and citizens who do not understand the role of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.
For some, ICANN should operate in the bottom later ensuring that we have internet access and that the pipes are faster. Others think that ICANN should be involved in the running of domain registries, which are in shambles and in some cases fighting over petty issues. Others think that ICANN is there to fund them; talk of reliance on aid.
Of course ICANN has no role in all these things and what it points is that more outreach is needed and maybe ICANN should have an office in Africa.
But how? According to Rod Beckstrom, 90 percent of ICANN contributions come from North America, so that may be the reason why we have 3 offices in the US and none in Africa.
That makes sense; if Africa does not contribute anything, how will the office be supported? So, for Africa to be on level terms, then we must also be willing to contribute, but am not sure how when our registry operations are still manual.
I was chatting with Rafik Dammak, who accuses me of complaining or whining too much but then, what do I do?
Rafik told me of how the various constituencies within ICANN are always looking for participants but what do you do when they dont contribute to those meetings and in some cases stay outside within the coffee houses instead of meeting rooms?
Yes, its good to have geographical representations but we also need to start bringing something on the table and contributing to the debate more than we do currently.
Regarding the financial contributions, I have no words; will leave it for the others.
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Mctim, I appreciate your point the thing is understanding the ICANN process, you must be empowered to participate in at-large discussions, maybe people like you or Njeri Rionge or Waudo can enlighten interested members in a townhall meeting, i was just thinking aloud :-), Africa is communal. Regards On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:36 AM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi barack, It would be fairly trivial for kictanet to become an als (member) in at-large. The bottom line is that individuals should become involved as per individual interests. Rgds, mctim
On 3/11/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Good observation Becky,
Am glad similar concerns were raised by the CEO KIXP at a forum with the President Rod Beckstrom, she articulately raised the fact that the constituencies need to be demystified and the president alluded to this fact, i noted that there are "ICANN VETERANS" and they are quick to notify you on this which literally freezes a fast timer, however the fact that we are thinking this way shows that we are moving in the right direction, Dr. Siganga has for a number of times urged the local community on this forum to join those constituencies the dilemma is which one to join, we need forums at country level to look at how we can contribute significantly to the ICANN process, the constituencies are many and it is easy to get lost in the cloud. Probably it can be a structured discussion on KICTANET, what do you say Walu? Regards
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The notion of the USA contributing 90% to ICANN ,because most registrars, are based there was challenged at the ccNSO meeting yesterday. The registrars obtain their revenues from internet users across the world - and Africa's share is growing especially with broadband. Europeans and others who spoke thereafter in the ccNSO meeting all began their statements by saying that they make payments to ICANN.
regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: "alice@apc.org" <alice@apc.org> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 17:52:40 Subject: [kictanet] ICANN: Africa must work hard too...
ICANN: Africa must work hard too... 08 03 2010 Comments: 3 Available in: English
There are many African governments and citizens who do not understand the role of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.
For some, ICANN should operate in the bottom later ensuring that we have internet access and that the pipes are faster. Others think that ICANN should be involved in the running of domain registries, which are in shambles and in some cases fighting over petty issues. Others think that ICANN is there to fund them; talk of reliance on aid.
Of course ICANN has no role in all these things and what it points is that more outreach is needed and maybe ICANN should have an office in Africa.
But how? According to Rod Beckstrom, 90 percent of ICANN contributions come from North America, so that may be the reason why we have 3 offices in the US and none in Africa.
That makes sense; if Africa does not contribute anything, how will the office be supported? So, for Africa to be on level terms, then we must also be willing to contribute, but am not sure how when our registry operations are still manual.
I was chatting with Rafik Dammak, who accuses me of complaining or whining too much but then, what do I do?
Rafik told me of how the various constituencies within ICANN are always looking for participants but what do you do when they dont contribute to those meetings and in some cases stay outside within the coffee houses instead of meeting rooms?
Yes, its good to have geographical representations but we also need to start bringing something on the table and contributing to the debate more than we do currently.
Regarding the financial contributions, I have no words; will leave it for the others.
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Mctim, I think the same case applies to all the other African countries, collective bargaining is the thing, how else will we handle emerging security challenges and dispute resolution, brings in the question of "Internet Governance" Regards On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Mctim,
I appreciate your point the thing is understanding the ICANN process, you must be empowered to participate in at-large discussions, maybe people like you or Njeri Rionge or Waudo can enlighten interested members in a townhall meeting, i was just thinking aloud :-), Africa is communal.
Regards
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:36 AM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi barack, It would be fairly trivial for kictanet to become an als (member) in at-large. The bottom line is that individuals should become involved as per individual interests. Rgds, mctim
On 3/11/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Good observation Becky,
Am glad similar concerns were raised by the CEO KIXP at a forum with the President Rod Beckstrom, she articulately raised the fact that the constituencies need to be demystified and the president alluded to this fact, i noted that there are "ICANN VETERANS" and they are quick to notify you on this which literally freezes a fast timer, however the fact that we are thinking this way shows that we are moving in the right direction, Dr. Siganga has for a number of times urged the local community on this forum to join those constituencies the dilemma is which one to join, we need forums at country level to look at how we can contribute significantly to the ICANN process, the constituencies are many and it is easy to get lost in the cloud. Probably it can be a structured discussion on KICTANET, what do you say Walu? Regards
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The notion of the USA contributing 90% to ICANN ,because most registrars, are based there was challenged at the ccNSO meeting yesterday. The registrars obtain their revenues from internet users across the world - and Africa's share is growing especially with broadband. Europeans and others who spoke thereafter in the ccNSO meeting all began their statements by saying that they make payments to ICANN.
regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: "alice@apc.org" <alice@apc.org> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 17:52:40 Subject: [kictanet] ICANN: Africa must work hard too...
ICANN: Africa must work hard too... 08 03 2010 Comments: 3 Available in: English
There are many African governments and citizens who do not understand the role of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.
For some, ICANN should operate in the bottom later ensuring that we have internet access and that the pipes are faster. Others think that ICANN should be involved in the running of domain registries, which are in shambles and in some cases fighting over petty issues. Others think that ICANN is there to fund them; talk of reliance on aid.
Of course ICANN has no role in all these things and what it points is that more outreach is needed and maybe ICANN should have an office in Africa.
But how? According to Rod Beckstrom, 90 percent of ICANN contributions come from North America, so that may be the reason why we have 3 offices in the US and none in Africa.
That makes sense; if Africa does not contribute anything, how will the office be supported? So, for Africa to be on level terms, then we must also be willing to contribute, but am not sure how when our registry operations are still manual.
I was chatting with Rafik Dammak, who accuses me of complaining or whining too much but then, what do I do?
Rafik told me of how the various constituencies within ICANN are always looking for participants but what do you do when they dont contribute to those meetings and in some cases stay outside within the coffee houses instead of meeting rooms?
Yes, its good to have geographical representations but we also need to start bringing something on the table and contributing to the debate more than we do currently.
Regarding the financial contributions, I have no words; will leave it for the others.
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Hello All, as much as we discuss all these,clearly, there is a difference between attending the ICANN meeting and participating actively in the event/conference/deliberations. and yes, most importantly we need to understand the process....there have been meetings where it seems like the panel is talking and discussing amongst themselves, but again there has been opportunities granted to us, as, Africans....and we've let them slide under. Yesterday, I was VERY,VERY disappointed....this is not a personal attack....AfTLD had an opportunity to make a presentation,but they were missing in action.....it is one thing to make your presentation and put emphasis on particular sessions and it is another for your presentation to be flipped through....so why pass on such an opportunity!!! we've got a whole lot of learning and working to do.....both individually and continentally. Kind Regards, On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Mctim,
I think the same case applies to all the other African countries, collective bargaining is the thing, how else will we handle emerging security challenges and dispute resolution, brings in the question of "Internet Governance" Regards
Mctim,
I appreciate your point the thing is understanding the ICANN process, you must be empowered to participate in at-large discussions, maybe people like you or Njeri Rionge or Waudo can enlighten interested members in a townhall meeting, i was just thinking aloud :-), Africa is communal.
Regards
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:36 AM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi barack, It would be fairly trivial for kictanet to become an als (member) in at-large. The bottom line is that individuals should become involved as per individual interests. Rgds, mctim
On 3/11/10, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Good observation Becky,
Am glad similar concerns were raised by the CEO KIXP at a forum with the President Rod Beckstrom, she articulately raised the fact that the constituencies need to be demystified and the president alluded to this fact, i noted that there are "ICANN VETERANS" and they are quick to notify you on this which literally freezes a fast timer, however the fact that we are thinking this way shows that we are moving in the right direction, Dr. Siganga has for a number of times urged the local community on this forum to join those constituencies the dilemma is which one to join, we need forums at country level to look at how we can contribute significantly to the ICANN process, the constituencies are many and it is easy to get lost in the cloud. Probably it can be a structured discussion on KICTANET, what do you say Walu? Regards
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The notion of the USA contributing 90% to ICANN ,because most registrars, are based there was challenged at the ccNSO meeting yesterday. The registrars obtain their revenues from internet users across the world
and Africa's share is growing especially with broadband. Europeans and others who spoke thereafter in the ccNSO meeting all began their statements by saying that they make payments to ICANN.
regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: "alice@apc.org" <alice@apc.org> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 17:52:40 Subject: [kictanet] ICANN: Africa must work hard too...
ICANN: Africa must work hard too... 08 03 2010 Comments: 3 Available in: English
There are many African governments and citizens who do not understand
role of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.
For some, ICANN should operate in the bottom later ensuring that we have internet access and that the pipes are faster. Others think that ICANN should be involved in the running of domain registries, which are in shambles and in some cases fighting over petty issues. Others think
ICANN is there to fund them; talk of reliance on aid.
Of course ICANN has no role in all these things and what it points is
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: - the that that
more outreach is needed and maybe ICANN should have an office in Africa.
But how? According to Rod Beckstrom, 90 percent of ICANN contributions come from North America, so that may be the reason why we have 3 offices in the US and none in Africa.
That makes sense; if Africa does not contribute anything, how will the office be supported? So, for Africa to be on level terms, then we must also be willing to contribute, but am not sure how when our registry operations are still manual.
I was chatting with Rafik Dammak, who accuses me of complaining or whining too much but then, what do I do?
Rafik told me of how the various constituencies within ICANN are always looking for participants but what do you do when they dont contribute to those meetings and in some cases stay outside within the coffee houses instead of meeting rooms?
Yes, its good to have geographical representations but we also need to start bringing something on the table and contributing to the debate more than we do currently.
Regarding the financial contributions, I have no words; will leave it for the others.
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Mctim,
I appreciate your point the thing is understanding the ICANN process, you must be empowered to participate in at-large discussions, maybe people like you or Njeri Rionge or Waudo can enlighten interested members in a townhall meeting, i was just thinking aloud :-), Africa is communal.
Regards
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:36 AM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi barack, It would be fairly trivial for kictanet to become an als (member) in at-large. The bottom line is that individuals should become involved as per individual interests. Rgds, mctim
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Good observation Becky,
Am glad similar concerns were raised by the CEO KIXP at a forum with the President Rod Beckstrom, she articulately raised the fact that the constituencies need to be demystified and the president alluded to this fact, i noted that there are "ICANN VETERANS" and they are quick to notify you on this which literally freezes a fast timer, however the fact that we are thinking this way shows that we are moving in the right direction, Dr. Siganga has for a number of times urged the local community on this forum to join those constituencies the dilemma is which one to join, we need forums at country level to look at how we can contribute significantly to the ICANN process, the constituencies are many and it is easy to get lost in the cloud. Probably it can be a structured discussion on KICTANET, what do you say Walu? Regards
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Wamuyu Gatheru <wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The notion of the USA contributing 90% to ICANN ,because most registrars, are based there was challenged at the ccNSO meeting yesterday. The registrars obtain their revenues from internet users across the world - and Africa's share is growing especially with broadband. Europeans and others who spoke thereafter in the ccNSO meeting all began their statements by saying that they make payments to ICANN.
regards, Wamuyu ________________________________ From: "alice@apc.org" <alice@apc.org> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 17:52:40 Subject: [kictanet] ICANN: Africa must work hard too...
ICANN: Africa must work hard too... 08 03 2010 Comments: 3 Available in: English
There are many African governments and citizens who do not understand
role of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.
For some, ICANN should operate in the bottom later ensuring that we have internet access and that the pipes are faster. Others think that ICANN should be involved in the running of domain registries, which are in shambles and in some cases fighting over petty issues. Others think
ICANN is there to fund them; talk of reliance on aid.
Of course ICANN has no role in all these things and what it points is
Hi All, This has most certainly been a very enlightening session for the short while I have been around. I must say that it does help to encourage more industry players to participate through creation of visibility and demystifying the whole Internet Governance/ ICANN setups. I don't think we in Kenya lack the drive or even the tricks to lobby, I just think the whole ICANN/Internet Governance are generally shrouded in lots of secrecy, you would almost think there are limited opportunities to go around. My challenge to which I direct to myself first is that the broader ICT community and Internet community more specifically MUST seek to get the information out. More like the OFC kind of awareness that was created. The internet community need not make this area such a technical and secretly run group that the majority of stakeholders should be kept out but rather make it a deliberate intention to inform the wider public about them through media. The challenge goes to ICT Journalists as well, write more articles to do with the subject. This way more and more members will gain awareness and next time such chances come up it would be like CISA, CCNA Academies etc (Just examples of how interest aroused creates even greater impact). Just my thought. EK PS: McTim and the rest of the Kenyan "delegation" in the conference great job. And the LOC, Congratulations for putting this together, Alice & Co. From: kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa=kadet.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+emmanuel.khisa=kadet.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Judy Okite Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:13 PM To: emmanuel.khisa@kadet.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICANN: Africa must work hard too... Hello All, as much as we discuss all these,clearly, there is a difference between attending the ICANN meeting and participating actively in the event/conference/deliberations. and yes, most importantly we need to understand the process....there have been meetings where it seems like the panel is talking and discussing amongst themselves, but again there has been opportunities granted to us, as, Africans....and we've let them slide under. Yesterday, I was VERY,VERY disappointed....this is not a personal attack....AfTLD had an opportunity to make a presentation,but they were missing in action.....it is one thing to make your presentation and put emphasis on particular sessions and it is another for your presentation to be flipped through....so why pass on such an opportunity!!! we've got a whole lot of learning and working to do.....both individually and continentally. Kind Regards, On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Mctim, I think the same case applies to all the other African countries, collective bargaining is the thing, how else will we handle emerging security challenges and dispute resolution, brings in the question of "Internet Governance" Regards On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: the that that
more outreach is needed and maybe ICANN should have an office in Africa.
But how? According to Rod Beckstrom, 90 percent of ICANN contributions come from North America, so that may be the reason why we have 3 offices in the US and none in Africa.
That makes sense; if Africa does not contribute anything, how will the office be supported? So, for Africa to be on level terms, then we must also be willing to contribute, but am not sure how when our registry operations are still manual.
I was chatting with Rafik Dammak, who accuses me of complaining or whining too much but then, what do I do?
Rafik told me of how the various constituencies within ICANN are always looking for participants but what do you do when they dont contribute to those meetings and in some cases stay outside within the coffee houses instead of meeting rooms?
Yes, its good to have geographical representations but we also need to start bringing something on the table and contributing to the debate more than we do currently.
Regarding the financial contributions, I have no words; will leave it for the others.
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McTim -
Wamuyu Gatheru