Re: [kictanet] Projects - National Implementation - ICT
Dear Ps, As you can, see I have changed the subject on this thread, so that the discussion is not only on a particular project,at the same time not to appear to send wrong connotations. We do not intend to cast aspersions on any personality. Frankly, what we concerned with here and would kindly request to be addressed, is the tendency by different govt. depts to assume "a go alone" approach on matters that involve a lot of stakeholders in different sectors nationally,only for such non consultative projects to hit several "dead ends" be declared non-starters with huge cost ramifications, wastage and credibility - At best they become "white elephants". Enough of these dot our national landscape, and it's just so saddening that we never seem to learn. There are very valid reasons for engaging, to consult widely. Sometimes, it is a good way to get a "Reality check" before jumping. As far as ICT is concerned, tools, brain resources to tap from and good will are widely available. We can ensure we make effort to have things done right. Possibly if all could adopt an "open door" policy, and engage just as you yourself have made effort to, then we would make a lot of progress. Just a thought. Regards, Harry -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:09 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus KIE is doing a great job on education content development. We have several joint initiatives. Next week March 29 -31 we have a major e-learning conference to showcase local digital content. You are all welcome. We shall make great progress if we begin by asking rather than complaining. Development is largely thinking positive and taking risk in good faith. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:17:22 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus If I would look at it from another angle, I suppose also and I will keep on insisting - Let us please ensure for grand projects such as this that will impact on the nation, we develop a Multistakeholder approach, consult widely and sell the idea and also listen to other ideas out there,then settle on the best - in terms of feasibility,impact and cost effectiveness. I think while it is good to initiate good projects that stand to benefit the nation, it will be prudent also to develop a model that will ensure all angles of such projects are covered right through from the point of incubation to implementation. We are accustomed now to "Surprise projects" when least expected, which fade off as soon as they are mooted. While we on this topic, I posted earlier this morning an initiative by the Ministry of Education to digitalize the Academic curriculum in schools. For instance in this case, is the ministry of ICT Involved? What about other stakeholder...? What would this portend - especially for Educational Material /curriculum Publishers, who may lose a market share in the education sector? How feasible is it? What is the impact of the huge digital divide at present on such an initiative? What about broadband? Shouldn't we address this first..? Certainly a lot of questions..I think it would be advisable for the govt. organs to engage far & wide.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of crystal@voicesofafrica.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:29 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed employment. Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do not begin the journey it will never be done. Blessings, Crystal Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:15:50 To: <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus Robert, Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools. If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done". Regards Ndemo.
Hi,
It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe once bitten twice shy.
The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath.
I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books are left behind.
With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and many other thinks.
Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to meet the objectives.
- 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the interlocking soil block making machines
- 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank.
- 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been offered technical training.
- 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough computer teachers.
- 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does not charge for solar, yet).
The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me for details).
Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already consumed the 7 million.
Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and writing materials for a bonding session.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Harry and Dr Ndemo, The "lone ranger" approach to the implementation of ICT projects in government is not easy to get rid of due to the various interests in these projects at both the ministry and even private sector levels. Minisries fight for budgets for their projects and would always want to control them. Now, we have a window that we could use to structure the development and adoption of ICT in Government through a consultative development of the "National ICT Masterplan". I think it is crucial that such a document is developed with a focus of looking at how ICT can assist in redelivering the vision 2030. This will be a holistic approach with a definite target. So all the ministry's will be responsible for implementing their piece of the Masterplan and reading from the same script. The implementation could be domiciled at the Ministry, giving them the ownership, with the supervisory and management role at the ICT Board or any such organisation. But having said that, there is a serious capacity problem in Government. Having worked with various ministries, I realise that there is a big skills gap of business technologists. The people with business knowledge who can look at the processes/policy and develop a business case for automating that process. These are the guys (inclusive of gals) who would take Dr Ndemo's policy statements and turn them into implementable IT projects. These people normally sit between the policy makers and the techies, cos they understand both worlds. This is not to disrespect the techies who are actually working out of their depth to initiate and manage complex systems in Government. But with the absence of this carder, the quality of the resulting services and the management of the projects will always be undermined. My peni mbili. Harry (Not Delano) On 3/25/10 10:17 AM, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Dear Ps,
As you can, see I have changed the subject on this thread, so that the discussion is not only on a particular project,at the same time not to appear to send wrong connotations. We do not intend to cast aspersions on any personality.
Frankly, what we concerned with here and would kindly request to be addressed, is the tendency by different govt. depts to assume "a go alone" approach on matters that involve a lot of stakeholders in different sectors nationally,only for such non consultative projects to hit several "dead ends" be declared non-starters with huge cost ramifications, wastage and credibility - At best they become "white elephants". Enough of these dot our national landscape, and it's just so saddening that we never seem to learn.
There are very valid reasons for engaging, to consult widely. Sometimes, it is a good way to get a "Reality check" before jumping.
As far as ICT is concerned, tools, brain resources to tap from and good will are widely available. We can ensure we make effort to have things done right.
Possibly if all could adopt an "open door" policy, and engage just as you yourself have made effort to, then we would make a lot of progress.
Just a thought.
Regards, Harry
-----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:09 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
KIE is doing a great job on education content development. We have several joint initiatives. Next week March 29 -31 we have a major e-learning conference to showcase local digital content. You are all welcome.
We shall make great progress if we begin by asking rather than complaining. Development is largely thinking positive and taking risk in good faith.
Regards
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR
-----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:17:22 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
If I would look at it from another angle, I suppose also and I will keep on insisting - Let us please ensure for grand projects such as this that will impact on the nation, we develop a Multistakeholder approach, consult widely and sell the idea and also listen to other ideas out there,then settle on the best - in terms of feasibility,impact and cost effectiveness.
I think while it is good to initiate good projects that stand to benefit the nation, it will be prudent also to develop a model that will ensure all angles of such projects are covered right through from the point of incubation to implementation. We are accustomed now to "Surprise projects" when least expected, which fade off as soon as they are mooted.
While we on this topic, I posted earlier this morning an initiative by the Ministry of Education to digitalize the Academic curriculum in schools. For instance in this case, is the ministry of ICT Involved? What about other stakeholder...? What would this portend - especially for Educational Material /curriculum Publishers, who may lose a market share in the education sector? How feasible is it? What is the impact of the huge digital divide at present on such an initiative? What about broadband? Shouldn't we address this first..?
Certainly a lot of questions..I think it would be advisable for the govt. organs to engage far & wide..
Harry
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That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed employment.
Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do not begin the journey it will never be done.
Blessings,
Crystal Sent from my BlackBerryR
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Robert, Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools.
If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done".
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe once bitten twice shy.
The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath.
I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books are left behind.
With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and many other thinks.
Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to meet the objectives.
- 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the interlocking soil block making machines
- 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank.
- 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been offered technical training.
- 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough computer teachers.
- 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does not charge for solar, yet).
The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me for details).
Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already consumed the 7 million.
Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and writing materials for a bonding session.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Dear Listers, How is kenya prepared, anticipates trends in ICT ? For example 4G technologies ....For more visit http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/03/24/4g.phone/index.html Regards Pius W Walela Research Programs Adminstrator Faculty of Information Technology Strathmore University Tel : +254 -020- 606155 Ext 2320 Web : www.strathmore.edu/fit Email : pwalela@strathmore.edu Strathmore University provides all-round education in an atmosphere of freedom and responsibility. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for use by the recipient(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email and/or any files attached to it from your computer. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Strathmore University. The University accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damages incurred, or suffered, resulting, or arising, from the use of this email and/or its attachments. The University warrants neither the integrity of the e-mail nor its freedom from errors, viruses, interception or any other form of interference. …………………………………………………………………. Website: www.strathmore.edu
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Mr. Pius, et al, I suppose we still have quite some "unfinished" business, on the current Mobile broadband technologies we have to date, the fastest being 3G. Sometime back on this forum, an embroiling debate ensued on the licensing structure for 3G, I do not know if this has now been resolved. Some things in our setting seem to have a knack of fading off into oblivion as soon as they arise and remain open ended.. Before we talk of 4G, I think it would only be fair for pricing on Mobile broadband data on the current platform to be addressed ASAP, so that all and sundry can enjoy this resource to the maximum. Policy makers keep insisting that competition will drive down pricing. Clearly, we've been at it over time now and seems little is happening on ground - Why..? Because there is literally no competition in Mobile Broadband, where we have 2 - 3 main active players. Infact the players track each other closely and prices seem to be closely pegged. When all the international Optic Fibre cables were being anxiously awaited for, everyone hailed the advent of "rock bottom" pricing for broadband, across board only for this to become a mirage once they landed. What changed..? Now one additional cable is landing..? What does this herald. Downward pricing..? Remains to be seen. I'm not sure whether the it's time for the wielders of the "Big" stick now, to deal with this once and for all, including the main broadband sector. I suppose, let's sustain the momentum to press for high quality broadband experience at competitive pricing by our standards - national.. Harry
Dear Listeners, 4G technology looks and even sounds just great! but I think we ask the question to early about preparedness locally to receive this technology. I agree with Harry D.'s point that pressing for high quality broadband that is favorably priced would be a better way to look at it. Currenly 3G services are not accessible to many countrywide. So technologically speaking we are not yet exploiting 3G let alone prepare for 4G! Once we get one thing right, that is, easy and reliable access to broadband and good pricing then 4G will be a reality. Looking at pricing and licensing the challenges therein may need state intervention. Some players paid full fees for 3G licensing yet others feel the price is too high for them bear yet they want to offer the same service. If the later are let off the hook that would mean creating an uneven play field with different rules! On pricing I think the providers are caught in a "catch 22" Their operational costs still remain high (Especially Utilities e.g. power and human resource) and they are forced to lower their prices. I'm sure the price cuts we have seen in recent months have involved serious balancing acts. To ensure people keep their jobs, and the companies still offer services. Maybe what we shall see in the very near future is value added services such the Tripple or Quad play services. Instead of offering you just broadband services, they may just include cable TV, Land-line phone and a family plan Cell phone deal all for one price? SammyG On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Mr. Pius, et al,
I suppose we still have quite some "unfinished" business, on the current Mobile broadband technologies we have to date, the fastest being 3G.
Sometime back on this forum, an embroiling debate ensued on the licensing structure for 3G, I do not know if this has now been resolved. Some things in our setting seem to have a knack of fading off into oblivion as soon as they arise and remain open ended..
Before we talk of 4G, I think it would only be fair for pricing on Mobile broadband data on the current platform to be addressed ASAP, so that all and sundry can enjoy this resource to the maximum.
Policy makers keep insisting that competition will drive down pricing. Clearly, we've been at it over time now and seems little is happening on ground - Why..? Because there is literally no competition in Mobile Broadband, where we have 2 - 3 main active players. Infact the players track each other closely and prices seem to be closely pegged.
When all the international Optic Fibre cables were being anxiously awaited for, everyone hailed the advent of "rock bottom" pricing for broadband, across board only for this to become a mirage once they landed. What changed..?
Now one additional cable is landing..? What does this herald. Downward pricing..? Remains to be seen.
I'm not sure whether the it's time for the wielders of the "Big" stick now, to deal with this once and for all, including the main broadband sector.
I suppose, let's sustain the momentum to press for high quality broadband experience at competitive pricing by our standards - national..
Harry
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Sammy, Listers I am curious about certain regulations in the market. I am aware that CCK is issuing technology neutral unified licenses. So what is the big debate about 3G licenses. Can someone shed some light? Why did CCK charge Safaricom a fee for a technology? Are we expecting a further license for 4G and will they cost more than the 3G and if other players are having difficulty paying now, how will they pay for 4G, does such a licensing framework allow for lower prices and more capacity in future? and so on ... Below is the CCK FAQ on their website clearly stating the unified licensing framework is technology neutral. http://www.cck.go.ke/licensing/telecoms/faqs.html FAQs - Telecommunications [image: Print This] [image: Email This] Telecommunications The Commission constantly receives a wide-range of queries from various stakeholders touching on ICTs in general and telecommunications services in particular. The following are the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs): [ Ask a Question </consumers/feedback.html> ] [ View all FAQs</misc/faqs_all.html> ] 1. Who is a Local Loop operator (LLO)? 2. What are the licence conditions for a LLO? 3. Who is a Public Data Network Operator (PDNO)? 4. What is the license and Operating fee for Public Data Network Operator? 5. Who is a Internet Gateway and Backbone Operator? 6. What is the license and Operating fee for Internet Gateway and Backbone Operator? 7. What is the scope of Internet Gateway and Backbone license? 8. What is the Commission's policy on use of xDSL services? 9. What is the future trend of licenses verses technological neutrality? With regard to the scope of the licenses, the Commission's ultimate objective with respect to the market categorization, as indicated in our broad strategic statement released recently, is to adopt a unified licensing framework that permits any form of communications infrastructure to be used to provide any type of communications service that is technically capable of being provided and to structure the market accordingly by creating the following distinct and technology neutral market categorization: - Network Facilities Provider (NFP) – who shall own and operate any form of communications infrastructure irrespective of whether it is satellite or terrestrial based and could support either mobile or fixed applications. - Applications Service Provider (ASP) – to provide all forms of services to end users using the network services of a facilities provider. - Contents Services Provider (CSP) – to provide contents such as broadcast (TV& Radio) material, and other information services and applications such as data processing etc. The Commission, therefore, intends to grant authorization for the various markets consistent with the aforementioned future segmentation without facilitating anticompetitive practices such as vertical integration scenario. In this regard, therefore, the Commission shall continue to insist on separation of service provisioning (provision through separate entities) between facility-based providers such as PDNO & LLO from those of non-facility based providers such as ISP . Consequently it will be expected that application and content providers such as ISPs on one hand and network providers such as Internet Gateway and Backbone providers, PDNOs etc. shall remain in different market segments under the above-mentioned market structure. *** *Consistent with the aforementioned, therefore, Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators will be expected to provide national extension facilities to link their customers being only ISPs, IXPs and other licensed operators without the need to use third party facilities. This is also in view of the need and obligation on the part of the Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators to provide national Internet backbone services to enable the widest spread of Internet services throughout the country ***.* In this regard, therefore, Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators will not be allowed to provide Internet access services directly to end users but instead they will be expected to concentrate in providing backbone services to ISPs and other licensed access network operators. Deployment of mini VSAT equipment to service end-users will, therefore, not be permitted under this license. 10. What is the Commission' policy on ownership of more than two companies offering services in different market segments by related directorship? 11. Who is allowed to carry Multimedia and VoIP application Services? 12. Are laws on rights of way applicable to all telecommunication facility providers or for selective providers? 13. Can I be allowed to use the way leaves, as a new entrant in the telecommunication market, of the existing facilities providers like KPLC, Kenya railways and Telkom Kenya to construct my infrastructure? 14. Do I have a right to co-locate my facilities with other telecommunication facilities providers or service providers? 15. Are there enough frequency resources for the PDNO market in the country? Thanks Joe On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Sam Gatere <sam.gatere@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Listeners,
4G technology looks and even sounds just great! but I think we ask the question to early about preparedness locally to receive this technology. I agree with Harry D.'s point that pressing for high quality broadband that is favorably priced would be a better way to look at it. Currenly 3G services are not accessible to many countrywide. So technologically speaking we are not yet exploiting 3G let alone prepare for 4G! Once we get one thing right, that is, easy and reliable access to broadband and good pricing then 4G will be a reality.
Looking at pricing and licensing the challenges therein may need state intervention. Some players paid full fees for 3G licensing yet others feel the price is too high for them bear yet they want to offer the same service. If the later are let off the hook that would mean creating an uneven play field with different rules!
On pricing I think the providers are caught in a "catch 22" Their operational costs still remain high (Especially Utilities e.g. power and human resource) and they are forced to lower their prices. I'm sure the price cuts we have seen in recent months have involved serious balancing acts. To ensure people keep their jobs, and the companies still offer services. Maybe what we shall see in the very near future is value added services such the Tripple or Quad play services. Instead of offering you just broadband services, they may just include cable TV, Land-line phone and a family plan Cell phone deal all for one price?
SammyG
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>wrote:
Mr. Pius, et al,
I suppose we still have quite some "unfinished" business, on the current Mobile broadband technologies we have to date, the fastest being 3G.
Sometime back on this forum, an embroiling debate ensued on the licensing structure for 3G, I do not know if this has now been resolved. Some things in our setting seem to have a knack of fading off into oblivion as soon as they arise and remain open ended..
Before we talk of 4G, I think it would only be fair for pricing on Mobile broadband data on the current platform to be addressed ASAP, so that all and sundry can enjoy this resource to the maximum.
Policy makers keep insisting that competition will drive down pricing. Clearly, we've been at it over time now and seems little is happening on ground - Why..? Because there is literally no competition in Mobile Broadband, where we have 2 - 3 main active players. Infact the players track each other closely and prices seem to be closely pegged.
When all the international Optic Fibre cables were being anxiously awaited for, everyone hailed the advent of "rock bottom" pricing for broadband, across board only for this to become a mirage once they landed. What changed..?
Now one additional cable is landing..? What does this herald. Downward pricing..? Remains to be seen.
I'm not sure whether the it's time for the wielders of the "Big" stick now, to deal with this once and for all, including the main broadband sector.
I suppose, let's sustain the momentum to press for high quality broadband experience at competitive pricing by our standards - national..
Harry
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Thanks Joe, and Sammy G, Am actually wondering, how we can engage both the ministry(policy), and CCK (regulator) on this very pertinent issue...? Are the wrangles over licensing stifling rollout in any way, and in turn denying the sector the much needed competion, which ultimately would drive down pricing for mobile broadband..? If so, then it needs to be sorted now.. Clearly for over a period of time now that this debate on broadband has raged, it has been met with a "studious" deafening silence. Is it not time, we asked the Kictanet secretariat to some form of RFC -"Request for comments" from both offices..? Walu...? There are very valid points, being raised here.. Regards, Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:37 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting The Broadband Debate in Kenya Sammy, Listers I am curious about certain regulations in the market. I am aware that CCK is issuing technology neutral unified licenses. So what is the big debate about 3G licenses. Can someone shed some light? Why did CCK charge Safaricom a fee for a technology? Are we expecting a further license for 4G and will they cost more than the 3G and if other players are having difficulty paying now, how will they pay for 4G, does such a licensing framework allow for lower prices and more capacity in future? and so on ... Below is the CCK FAQ on their website clearly stating the unified licensing framework is technology neutral. http://www.cck.go.ke/licensing/telecoms/faqs.html FAQs - Telecommunications Print This Email This Telecommunications The Commission constantly receives a wide-range of queries from various stakeholders touching on ICTs in general and telecommunications services in particular. The following are the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs): [ Ask a Question ] [ View all FAQs ] 1. Who is a Local Loop operator (LLO)? 2. What are the licence conditions for a LLO? 3. Who is a Public Data Network Operator (PDNO)? 4. What is the license and Operating fee for Public Data Network Operator? 5. Who is a Internet Gateway and Backbone Operator? 6. What is the license and Operating fee for Internet Gateway and Backbone Operator? 7. What is the scope of Internet Gateway and Backbone license? 8. What is the Commission's policy on use of xDSL services? 9. What is the future trend of licenses verses technological neutrality? With regard to the scope of the licenses, the Commission's ultimate objective with respect to the market categorization, as indicated in our broad strategic statement released recently, is to adopt a unified licensing framework that permits any form of communications infrastructure to be used to provide any type of communications service that is technically capable of being provided and to structure the market accordingly by creating the following distinct and technology neutral market categorization: * Network Facilities Provider (NFP) – who shall own and operate any form of communications infrastructure irrespective of whether it is satellite or terrestrial based and could support either mobile or fixed applications. * Applications Service Provider (ASP) – to provide all forms of services to end users using the network services of a facilities provider. * Contents Services Provider (CSP) – to provide contents such as broadcast (TV& Radio) material, and other information services and applications such as data processing etc. The Commission, therefore, intends to grant authorization for the various markets consistent with the aforementioned future segmentation without facilitating anticompetitive practices such as vertical integration scenario. In this regard, therefore, the Commission shall continue to insist on separation of service provisioning (provision through separate entities) between facility-based providers such as PDNO & LLO from those of non-facility based providers such as ISP . Consequently it will be expected that application and content providers such as ISPs on one hand and network providers such as Internet Gateway and Backbone providers, PDNOs etc. shall remain in different market segments under the above-mentioned market structure. ** Consistent with the aforementioned, therefore, Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators will be expected to provide national extension facilities to link their customers being only ISPs, IXPs and other licensed operators without the need to use third party facilities. This is also in view of the need and obligation on the part of the Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators to provide national Internet backbone services to enable the widest spread of Internet services throughout the country **. In this regard, therefore, Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators will not be allowed to provide Internet access services directly to end users but instead they will be expected to concentrate in providing backbone services to ISPs and other licensed access network operators. Deployment of mini VSAT equipment to service end-users will, therefore, not be permitted under this license. 10. What is the Commission' policy on ownership of more than two companies offering services in different market segments by related directorship? 11. Who is allowed to carry Multimedia and VoIP application Services? 12. Are laws on rights of way applicable to all telecommunication facility providers or for selective providers? 13. Can I be allowed to use the way leaves, as a new entrant in the telecommunication market, of the existing facilities providers like KPLC, Kenya railways and Telkom Kenya to construct my infrastructure? 14. Do I have a right to co-locate my facilities with other telecommunication facilities providers or service providers? 15. Are there enough frequency resources for the PDNO market in the country? Thanks Joe On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Sam Gatere <sam.gatere@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Listeners, 4G technology looks and even sounds just great! but I think we ask the question to early about preparedness locally to receive this technology. I agree with Harry D.'s point that pressing for high quality broadband that is favorably priced would be a better way to look at it. Currenly 3G services are not accessible to many countrywide. So technologically speaking we are not yet exploiting 3G let alone prepare for 4G! Once we get one thing right, that is, easy and reliable access to broadband and good pricing then 4G will be a reality. Looking at pricing and licensing the challenges therein may need state intervention. Some players paid full fees for 3G licensing yet others feel the price is too high for them bear yet they want to offer the same service. If the later are let off the hook that would mean creating an uneven play field with different rules! On pricing I think the providers are caught in a "catch 22" Their operational costs still remain high (Especially Utilities e.g. power and human resource) and they are forced to lower their prices. I'm sure the price cuts we have seen in recent months have involved serious balancing acts. To ensure people keep their jobs, and the companies still offer services. Maybe what we shall see in the very near future is value added services such the Tripple or Quad play services. Instead of offering you just broadband services, they may just include cable TV, Land-line phone and a family plan Cell phone deal all for one price? SammyG On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Mr. Pius, et al, I suppose we still have quite some "unfinished" business, on the current Mobile broadband technologies we have to date, the fastest being 3G. Sometime back on this forum, an embroiling debate ensued on the licensing structure for 3G, I do not know if this has now been resolved. Some things in our setting seem to have a knack of fading off into oblivion as soon as they arise and remain open ended.. Before we talk of 4G, I think it would only be fair for pricing on Mobile broadband data on the current platform to be addressed ASAP, so that all and sundry can enjoy this resource to the maximum. Policy makers keep insisting that competition will drive down pricing. Clearly, we've been at it over time now and seems little is happening on ground - Why..? Because there is literally no competition in Mobile Broadband, where we have 2 - 3 main active players. Infact the players track each other closely and prices seem to be closely pegged. When all the international Optic Fibre cables were being anxiously awaited for, everyone hailed the advent of "rock bottom" pricing for broadband, across board only for this to become a mirage once they landed. What changed..? Now one additional cable is landing..? What does this herald. Downward pricing..? Remains to be seen. I'm not sure whether the it's time for the wielders of the "Big" stick now, to deal with this once and for all, including the main broadband sector. I suppose, let's sustain the momentum to press for high quality broadband experience at competitive pricing by our standards - national.. 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The recent 3g debacle, where one provider paid certain amounts for what the media refer to as a 'licence' and other are resisting paying is actually misreported. The payment was for allocation of radio frequencies which would be used for delivery of 3g services. The providers involved have already been licensed under the unified licensing regime for the services that provide, regardless of technology, as Joe pointed out. Wheter or not the fee is high is another question, but obviously the most critical issue is to provide a platform for competition and fair play. Regards, Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2010, at 1:53 PM, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Joe, and Sammy G,
Am actually wondering, how we can engage both the ministry(policy), and CCK (regulator) on this very pertinent issue...? Are the wrangles over licensing stifling rollout in any way, and in turn denying the sector the much needed competion, which ultimately would drive down pricing for mobile broadband..? If so, then it needs to be sorted now..
Clearly for over a period of time now that this debate on broadband has raged, it has been met with a "studious" deafening silence. Is it not time, we asked the Kictanet secretariat to some form of RFC -"Request for comments" from both offices..? Walu...?
There are very valid points, being raised here..
Regards, Harry
From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:37 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting The Broadband Debate in Kenya
Sammy, Listers
I am curious about certain regulations in the market. I am aware that CCK is issuing technology neutral unified licenses. So what is the big debate about 3G licenses. Can someone shed some light? Why did CCK charge Safaricom a fee for a technology? Are we expecting a further license for 4G and will they cost more than the 3G and if other players are having difficulty paying now, how will they pay for 4G, does such a licensing framework allow for lower prices and more capacity in future? and so on ...
Below is the CCK FAQ on their website clearly stating the unified licensing framework is technology neutral. http://www.cck.go.ke/licensing/telecoms/faqs.html
FAQs - Telecommunications
Telecommunications The Commission constantly receives a wide-range of queries from various stakeholders touching on ICTs in general and telecommunications services in particular. The following are the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs): [ Ask a Question ] [ View all FAQs ] Who is a Local Loop operator (LLO)? What are the licence conditions for a LLO? Who is a Public Data Network Operator (PDNO)? What is the license and Operating fee for Public Data Network Operator? Who is a Internet Gateway and Backbone Operator? What is the license and Operating fee for Internet Gateway and Backbone Operator? What is the scope of Internet Gateway and Backbone license? What is the Commission's policy on use of xDSL services? What is the future trend of licenses verses technological neutrality? With regard to the scope of the licenses, the Commission's ultimate objective with respect to the market categorization, as indicated in our broad strategic statement released recently, is to adopt a unified licensing framework that permits any form of communications infrastructure to be used to provide any type of communications service that is technically capable of being provided and to structure the market accordingly by creating the following distinct and technology neutral market categorization:
Network Facilities Provider (NFP) – who shall own and operate any fo rm of communications infrastructure irrespective of whether it is sa tellite or terrestrial based and could support either mobile or fixe d applications. Applications Service Provider (ASP) – to provide all forms of servic es to end users using the network services of a facilities provider. Contents Services Provider (CSP) – to provide contents such as broad cast (TV& Radio) material, and other information services and applic ations such as data processing etc. The Commission, therefore, intends to grant authorization for the various markets consistent with the aforementioned future segmentation without facilitating anticompetitive practices such as vertical integration scenario.
In this regard, therefore, the Commission shall continue to insist on separation of service provisioning (provision through separate entities) between facility-based providers such as PDNO & LLO from those of non-facility based providers such as ISP . Consequently it will be expected that application and content providers such as ISPs on one hand and network providers such as Internet Gateway and Backbone providers, PDNOs etc. shall remain in different market segments under the above-mentioned market structure.
** Consistent with the aforementioned, therefore, Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators will be expected to provide national extension facilities to link their customers being only ISPs, IXPs and other licensed operators without the need to use third party facilities. This is also in view of the need and obligation on the part of the Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators to provide national Internet backbone services to enable the widest spread of Internet services throughout the country **.
In this regard, therefore, Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators will not be allowed to provide Internet access services directly to end users but instead they will be expected to concentrate in providing backbone services to ISPs and other licensed access network operators. Deployment of mini VSAT equipment to service end- users will, therefore, not be permitted under this license.
What is the Commission' policy on ownership of more than two companies offering services in different market segments by related directorship? Who is allowed to carry Multimedia and VoIP application Services? Are laws on rights of way applicable to all telecommunication facility providers or for selective providers? Can I be allowed to use the way leaves, as a new entrant in the telecommunication market, of the existing facilities providers like KPLC, Kenya railways and Telkom Kenya to construct my infrastructure? Do I have a right to co-locate my facilities with other telecommunication facilities providers or service providers? Are there enough frequency resources for the PDNO market in the country?
Thanks
Joe
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Sam Gatere <sam.gatere@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Listeners,
4G technology looks and even sounds just great! but I think we ask the question to early about preparedness locally to receive this technology. I agree with Harry D.'s point that pressing for high quality broadband that is favorably priced would be a better way to look at it. Currenly 3G services are not accessible to many countrywide. So technologically speaking we are not yet exploiting 3G let alone prepare for 4G! Once we get one thing right, that is, easy and reliable access to broadband and good pricing then 4G will be a reality.
Looking at pricing and licensing the challenges therein may need state intervention. Some players paid full fees for 3G licensing yet others feel the price is too high for them bear yet they want to offer the same service. If the later are let off the hook that would mean creating an uneven play field with different rules!
On pricing I think the providers are caught in a "catch 22" Their operational costs still remain high (Especially Utilities e.g. power and human resource) and they are forced to lower their prices. I'm sure the price cuts we have seen in recent months have involved serious balancing acts. To ensure people keep their jobs, and the companies still offer services. Maybe what we shall see in the very near future is value added services such the Tripple or Quad play services. Instead of offering you just broadband services, they may just include cable TV, Land- line phone and a family plan Cell phone deal all for one price?
SammyG
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Mr. Pius, et al,
I suppose we still have quite some "unfinished" business, on the current Mobile broadband technologies we have to date, the fastest being 3G.
Sometime back on this forum, an embroiling debate ensued on the licensing structure for 3G, I do not know if this has now been resolved. Some things in our setting seem to have a knack of fading off into oblivion as soon as they arise and remain open ended..
Before we talk of 4G, I think it would only be fair for pricing on Mobile broadband data on the current platform to be addressed ASAP, so that all and sundry can enjoy this resource to the maximum.
Policy makers keep insisting that competition will drive down pricing. Clearly, we've been at it over time now and seems little is happening on ground - Why..? Because there is literally no competition in Mobile Broadband, where we have 2 - 3 main active players. Infact the players track each other closely and prices seem to be closely pegged.
When all the international Optic Fibre cables were being anxiously awaited for, everyone hailed the advent of "rock bottom" pricing for broadband, across board only for this to become a mirage once they landed. What changed..?
Now one additional cable is landing..? What does this herald. Downward pricing..? Remains to be seen.
I'm not sure whether the it's time for the wielders of the "Big" stick now, to deal with this once and for all, including the main broadband sector.
I suppose, let's sustain the momentum to press for high quality broadband experience at competitive pricing by our standards - national..
Harry
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Mblayo, Thanks. What in your considered opinion would be the best way forward out of the debacle, as things appear to be at standstill on that end..? Now, every report touching this issue even way back in 2007 when 3G was first paid for, mentions it as a 3G license, while it might have been a payment for frequency ( 3G Frequency License, if you would), to carry 3G Technology - whatever the case it is a matter that needs to be resolved in order, as you put it - To provide a level playing ground - and to help drive Mobile broadband forward. At best, it would appear like a "standoff" currently. Hope it is being addressed, speedily.. Harry _____ From: Brian Longwe [mailto:blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting The Broadband Debate in Kenya The recent 3g debacle, where one provider paid certain amounts for what the media refer to as a 'licence' and other are resisting paying is actually misreported. The payment was for allocation of radio frequencies which would be used for delivery of 3g services. The providers involved have already been licensed under the unified licensing regime for the services that provide, regardless of technology, as Joe pointed out. Wheter or not the fee is high is another question, but obviously the most critical issue is to provide a platform for competition and fair play. Regards, Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2010, at 1:53 PM, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Thanks Joe, and Sammy G, Am actually wondering, how we can engage both the ministry(policy), and CCK (regulator) on this very pertinent issue...? Are the wrangles over licensing stifling rollout in any way, and in turn denying the sector the much needed competion, which ultimately would drive down pricing for mobile broadband..? If so, then it needs to be sorted now.. Clearly for over a period of time now that this debate on broadband has raged, it has been met with a "studious" deafening silence. Is it not time, we asked the Kictanet secretariat to some form of RFC -"Request for comments" from both offices..? Walu...? There are very valid points, being raised here.. Regards, Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Joseph Mucheru Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:37 PM To: <mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke> harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting The Broadband Debate in Kenya Sammy, Listers I am curious about certain regulations in the market. I am aware that CCK is issuing technology neutral unified licenses. So what is the big debate about 3G licenses. Can someone shed some light? Why did CCK charge Safaricom a fee for a technology? Are we expecting a further license for 4G and will they cost more than the 3G and if other players are having difficulty paying now, how will they pay for 4G, does such a licensing framework allow for lower prices and more capacity in future? and so on ... Below is the CCK FAQ on their website clearly stating the unified licensing framework is technology neutral. <http://www.cck.go.ke/licensing/telecoms/faqs.html> http://www.cck.go.ke/licensing/telecoms/faqs.html FAQs - Telecommunications Print This Email This Telecommunications The Commission constantly receives a wide-range of queries from various stakeholders touching on ICTs in general and telecommunications services in particular. The following are the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs): [ Ask a Question ] [ View all FAQs ] 1. Who is a Local Loop operator (LLO)? 2. What are the licence conditions for a LLO? 3. Who is a Public Data Network Operator (PDNO)? 4. What is the license and Operating fee for Public Data Network Operator? 5. Who is a Internet Gateway and Backbone Operator? 6. What is the license and Operating fee for Internet Gateway and Backbone Operator? 7. What is the scope of Internet Gateway and Backbone license? 8. What is the Commission's policy on use of xDSL services? 9. What is the future trend of licenses verses technological neutrality? With regard to the scope of the licenses, the Commission's ultimate objective with respect to the market categorization, as indicated in our broad strategic statement released recently, is to adopt a unified licensing framework that permits any form of communications infrastructure to be used to provide any type of communications service that is technically capable of being provided and to structure the market accordingly by creating the following distinct and technology neutral market categorization: * Network Facilities Provider (NFP) – who shall own and operate any form of communications infrastructure irrespective of whether it is satellite or terrestrial based and could support either mobile or fixed applications. * Applications Service Provider (ASP) – to provide all forms of services to end users using the network services of a facilities provider. * Contents Services Provider (CSP) – to provide contents such as broadcast (TV& Radio) material, and other information services and applications such as data processing etc. The Commission, therefore, intends to grant authorization for the various markets consistent with the aforementioned future segmentation without facilitating anticompetitive practices such as vertical integration scenario. In this regard, therefore, the Commission shall continue to insist on separation of service provisioning (provision through separate entities) between facility-based providers such as PDNO & LLO from those of non-facility based providers such as ISP . Consequently it will be expected that application and content providers such as ISPs on one hand and network providers such as Internet Gateway and Backbone providers, PDNOs etc. shall remain in different market segments under the above-mentioned market structure. ** Consistent with the aforementioned, therefore, Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators will be expected to provide national extension facilities to link their customers being only ISPs, IXPs and other licensed operators without the need to use third party facilities. This is also in view of the need and obligation on the part of the Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators to provide national Internet backbone services to enable the widest spread of Internet services throughout the country **. In this regard, therefore, Internet Backbone and Gateway Operators will not be allowed to provide Internet access services directly to end users but instead they will be expected to concentrate in providing backbone services to ISPs and other licensed access network operators. Deployment of mini VSAT equipment to service end-users will, therefore, not be permitted under this license. 10. What is the Commission' policy on ownership of more than two companies offering services in different market segments by related directorship? 11. Who is allowed to carry Multimedia and VoIP application Services? 12. Are laws on rights of way applicable to all telecommunication facility providers or for selective providers? 13. Can I be allowed to use the way leaves, as a new entrant in the telecommunication market, of the existing facilities providers like KPLC, Kenya railways and Telkom Kenya to construct my infrastructure? 14. Do I have a right to co-locate my facilities with other telecommunication facilities providers or service providers? 15. Are there enough frequency resources for the PDNO market in the country? Thanks Joe On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Sam Gatere < <mailto:sam.gatere@gmail.com> sam.gatere@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Listeners, 4G technology looks and even sounds just great! but I think we ask the question to early about preparedness locally to receive this technology. I agree with Harry D.'s point that pressing for high quality broadband that is favorably priced would be a better way to look at it. Currenly 3G services are not accessible to many countrywide. So technologically speaking we are not yet exploiting 3G let alone prepare for 4G! Once we get one thing right, that is, easy and reliable access to broadband and good pricing then 4G will be a reality. Looking at pricing and licensing the challenges therein may need state intervention. Some players paid full fees for 3G licensing yet others feel the price is too high for them bear yet they want to offer the same service. If the later are let off the hook that would mean creating an uneven play field with different rules! On pricing I think the providers are caught in a "catch 22" Their operational costs still remain high (Especially Utilities e.g. power and human resource) and they are forced to lower their prices. I'm sure the price cuts we have seen in recent months have involved serious balancing acts. To ensure people keep their jobs, and the companies still offer services. Maybe what we shall see in the very near future is value added services such the Tripple or Quad play services. Instead of offering you just broadband services, they may just include cable TV, Land-line phone and a family plan Cell phone deal all for one price? SammyG On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Harry Delano < <mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke> harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: Mr. Pius, et al, I suppose we still have quite some "unfinished" business, on the current Mobile broadband technologies we have to date, the fastest being 3G. Sometime back on this forum, an embroiling debate ensued on the licensing structure for 3G, I do not know if this has now been resolved. Some things in our setting seem to have a knack of fading off into oblivion as soon as they arise and remain open ended.. Before we talk of 4G, I think it would only be fair for pricing on Mobile broadband data on the current platform to be addressed ASAP, so that all and sundry can enjoy this resource to the maximum. Policy makers keep insisting that competition will drive down pricing. Clearly, we've been at it over time now and seems little is happening on ground - Why..? Because there is literally no competition in Mobile Broadband, where we have 2 - 3 main active players. Infact the players track each other closely and prices seem to be closely pegged. When all the international Optic Fibre cables were being anxiously awaited for, everyone hailed the advent of "rock bottom" pricing for broadband, across board only for this to become a mirage once they landed. What changed..? Now one additional cable is landing..? What does this herald. Downward pricing..? Remains to be seen. I'm not sure whether the it's time for the wielders of the "Big" stick now, to deal with this once and for all, including the main broadband sector. I suppose, let's sustain the momentum to press for high quality broadband experience at competitive pricing by our standards - national.. 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Mucheru, It should not have happened and I do not think anybody will pay for new technologies such as 4G. Any such payment affects the consumer pocket. Partly it happened because the law on unified lincesing was not clear. I am sure CCK will work out some corrective mechanism. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:36:57 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting The Broadband Debate in Kenya _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Dear Ps, Thanks for a swift rejoinder to this. Apparently, I just responded to the same issue as your email came in. If this is the case, then it comes with a sense of relief. Now, it would appear then that Regulatory needs to move with haste to define with clarity the terms of this licensing, so that service providers do not hold the "cloudy" aspect of the standoff as an excuse not to provide good quality broadband at affordable pricing to consumers. Any timelines..? Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:54 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting The Broadband Debate in Kenya Mucheru, It should not have happened and I do not think anybody will pay for new technologies such as 4G. Any such payment affects the consumer pocket. Partly it happened because the law on unified lincesing was not clear. I am sure CCK will work out some corrective mechanism. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:36:57 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Revisiting The Broadband Debate in Kenya _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys.co.ke
Folks, If you may, i would submit that it is worth tabling the age long subject of "license" and "spectrum" again and this time i have some questions in the context of what is prevailing? 1. What is the value in issuing a license with or without a spectrum and how does it affect the dynamics of the market? 2. What is the value in issuing a clasical license and charging a huge fee for spectrum such that the big guys in the market are concerned? Eric here NB: These are just two elements in the factors for affordable broadband. On 26 Mar 2010, at 11:54, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Mucheru, It should not have happened and I do not think anybody will pay for new technologies such as 4G. Any such payment affects the consumer pocket. Partly it happened because the law on unified lincesing was not clear. I am sure CCK will work out some corrective mechanism.
Ndemo.
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Dear Harry, You rightly mention the existence of a "big skills gap" in Government. While this could be true for some cadres like Business technologists as an example, i would hesitate to make that a sweeping statement. one thing i have observed is that there exists thousands of "Golden Nuggets" scattered all over the civil service, and by this i mean officers with specialized and extremely advanced skills sets in various critical fields across the board. Am sure you will agree with me that Government is the best trainer you can ever get (I know of enterprising individuals who aspire to enter the civil service with the sole aim of aggressivley exploiting the countless opportunities for training offered by Government). The challenge thus becomes, how can we sustainably and realistically interconnect these skilled public servants to create or achieve critical mass for specific/on going tasks and projects? And for those critical skill sets that are lacking or in very limited supply, how can we support their acquisition by civil servants? How many corporates are willing to donate part of their CSR or development resources to build a critical mass of Animators / Web masters / Business Technologists / Network engineers etc..The reality is that corporates will wait for Government to invest huge amounts of resources in training its officers then promptly snatch them up with attractive job offers. while they cannot be blamed for this, the question then becomes, how can we support development and retention of these skilled officers in Government? It is in the best interest for all of us to have highly skilled civil servants. On our part (Kenya e-Learning centre), we are working with the ministry of Information and communications and other stakeholders to start the process of harnessing our existing knowledge resources and other intangible assets for collective and National development objectives. One such initiative is the National e-Learning strategy development and implementation team. Skills development and transfer will form a core part of this strategy, targetting not only civil servants but also the private sector, civil society and religious organizations. Find attached a training program for the education and training sector as an example of course offerings being jointly developed. For those of you who can, i urge you to attend the regional e-Learning conference at KIE, 29 - 31March 2010 (http://www.icwe.co.ke/elearn2010/) Andrew On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org>wrote:
Harry and Dr Ndemo,
The "lone ranger" approach to the implementation of ICT projects in government is not easy to get rid of due to the various interests in these projects at both the ministry and even private sector levels. Minisries fight for budgets for their projects and would always want to control them.
Now, we have a window that we could use to structure the development and adoption of ICT in Government through a consultative development of the "National ICT Masterplan".
I think it is crucial that such a document is developed with a focus of looking at how ICT can assist in redelivering the vision 2030. This will be a holistic approach with a definite target. So all the ministry's will be responsible for implementing their piece of the Masterplan and reading from the same script. The implementation could be domiciled at the Ministry, giving them the ownership, with the supervisory and management role at the ICT Board or any such organisation.
But having said that, there is a serious capacity problem in Government. Having worked with various ministries, I realise that there is a big skills gap of business technologists. The people with business knowledge who can look at the processes/policy and develop a business case for automating that process. These are the guys (inclusive of gals) who would take Dr Ndemo's policy statements and turn them into implementable IT projects. These people normally sit between the policy makers and the techies, cos they understand both worlds.
This is not to disrespect the techies who are actually working out of their depth to initiate and manage complex systems in Government. But with the absence of this carder, the quality of the resulting services and the management of the projects will always be undermined.
My peni mbili.
Harry (Not Delano)
On 3/25/10 10:17 AM, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Dear Ps,
As you can, see I have changed the subject on this thread, so that the discussion is not only on a particular project,at the same time not to appear to send wrong connotations. We do not intend to cast aspersions on any personality.
Frankly, what we concerned with here and would kindly request to be addressed, is the tendency by different govt. depts to assume "a go alone" approach on matters that involve a lot of stakeholders in different sectors nationally,only for such non consultative projects to hit several "dead ends" be declared non-starters with huge cost ramifications, wastage and credibility - At best they become "white elephants". Enough of these dot our national landscape, and it's just so saddening that we never seem to learn.
There are very valid reasons for engaging, to consult widely. Sometimes, it is a good way to get a "Reality check" before jumping.
As far as ICT is concerned, tools, brain resources to tap from and good will are widely available. We can ensure we make effort to have things done right.
Possibly if all could adopt an "open door" policy, and engage just as you yourself have made effort to, then we would make a lot of progress.
Just a thought.
Regards, Harry
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KIE is doing a great job on education content development. We have several joint initiatives. Next week March 29 -31 we have a major e-learning conference to showcase local digital content. You are all welcome.
We shall make great progress if we begin by asking rather than complaining. Development is largely thinking positive and taking risk in good faith.
Regards
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If I would look at it from another angle, I suppose also and I will keep on insisting - Let us please ensure for grand projects such as this that will impact on the nation, we develop a Multistakeholder approach, consult widely and sell the idea and also listen to other ideas out there,then settle on the best - in terms of feasibility,impact and cost effectiveness.
I think while it is good to initiate good projects that stand to benefit the nation, it will be prudent also to develop a model that will ensure all angles of such projects are covered right through from the point of incubation to implementation. We are accustomed now to "Surprise projects" when least expected, which fade off as soon as they are mooted.
While we on this topic, I posted earlier this morning an initiative by the Ministry of Education to digitalize the Academic curriculum in schools. For instance in this case, is the ministry of ICT Involved? What about other stakeholder...? What would this portend - especially for Educational Material /curriculum Publishers, who may lose a market share in the education sector? How feasible is it? What is the impact of the huge digital divide at present on such an initiative? What about broadband? Shouldn't we address this first..?
Certainly a lot of questions..I think it would be advisable for the govt. organs to engage far & wide..
Harry
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That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed employment.
Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do not begin the journey it will never be done.
Blessings,
Crystal Sent from my BlackBerryR
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Robert, Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools.
If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done".
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe once bitten twice shy.
The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath.
I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books are left behind.
With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and many other thinks.
Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to meet the objectives.
- 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the interlocking soil block making machines
- 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank.
- 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been offered technical training.
- 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough computer teachers.
- 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does not charge for solar, yet).
The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me for details).
Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already consumed the 7 million.
Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and writing materials for a bonding session.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Hey Andrew, I agree with you on the ³Golden Nuggets² in the service, I have worked with some too. But I pointed to a specific carder of officers that seem to be in short supply in the service. At least from the various Ministries I have interacted with. And this is not just a Kenya problem, I have seen it across the region. Harry On 3/25/10 6:16 PM, "Gakiria" <gakiria@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Harry,
You rightly mention the existence of a "big skills gap" in Government. While this could be true for some cadres like Business technologists as an example, i would hesitate to make that a sweeping statement. one thing i have observed is that there exists thousands of "Golden Nuggets" scattered all over the civil service, and by this i mean officers with specialized and extremely advanced skills sets in various critical fields across the board. Am sure you will agree with me that Government is the best trainer you can ever get (I know of enterprising individuals who aspire to enter the civil service with the sole aim of aggressivley exploiting the countless opportunities for training offered by Government). The challenge thus becomes, how can we sustainably and realistically interconnect these skilled public servants to create or achieve critical mass for specific/on going tasks and projects?
And for those critical skill sets that are lacking or in very limited supply, how can we support their acquisition by civil servants? How many corporates are willing to donate part of their CSR or development resources to build a critical mass of Animators / Web masters / Business Technologists / Network engineers etc..The reality is that corporates will wait for Government to invest huge amounts of resources in training its officers then promptly snatch them up with attractive job offers. while they cannot be blamed for this, the question then becomes, how can we support development and retention of these skilled officers in Government? It is in the best interest for all of us to have highly skilled civil servants.
On our part (Kenya e-Learning centre), we are working with the ministry of Information and communications and other stakeholders to start the process of harnessing our existing knowledge resources and other intangible assets for collective and National development objectives. One such initiative is the National e-Learning strategy development and implementation team. Skills development and transfer will form a core part of this strategy, targetting not only civil servants but also the private sector, civil society and religious organizations.
Find attached a training program for the education and training sector as an example of course offerings being jointly developed.
For those of you who can, i urge you to attend the regional e-Learning conference at KIE, 29 - 31March 2010 (http://www.icwe.co.ke/elearn2010/)
Andrew
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote:
Harry and Dr Ndemo,
The "lone ranger" approach to the implementation of ICT projects in government is not easy to get rid of due to the various interests in these projects at both the ministry and even private sector levels. Minisries fight for budgets for their projects and would always want to control them.
Now, we have a window that we could use to structure the development and adoption of ICT in Government through a consultative development of the "National ICT Masterplan".
I think it is crucial that such a document is developed with a focus of looking at how ICT can assist in redelivering the vision 2030. This will be a holistic approach with a definite target. So all the ministry's will be responsible for implementing their piece of the Masterplan and reading from the same script. The implementation could be domiciled at the Ministry, giving them the ownership, with the supervisory and management role at the ICT Board or any such organisation.
But having said that, there is a serious capacity problem in Government. Having worked with various ministries, I realise that there is a big skills gap of business technologists. The people with business knowledge who can look at the processes/policy and develop a business case for automating that process. These are the guys (inclusive of gals) who would take Dr Ndemo's policy statements and turn them into implementable IT projects. These people normally sit between the policy makers and the techies, cos they understand both worlds.
This is not to disrespect the techies who are actually working out of their depth to initiate and manage complex systems in Government. But with the absence of this carder, the quality of the resulting services and the management of the projects will always be undermined.
My peni mbili.
Harry (Not Delano)
On 3/25/10 10:17 AM, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Dear Ps,
As you can, see I have changed the subject on this thread, so that the discussion is not only on a particular project,at the same time not to appear to send wrong connotations. We do not intend to cast aspersions on any personality.
Frankly, what we concerned with here and would kindly request to be addressed, is the tendency by different govt. depts to assume "a go alone" approach on matters that involve a lot of stakeholders in different sectors nationally,only for such non consultative projects to hit several "dead ends" be declared non-starters with huge cost ramifications, wastage and credibility - At best they become "white elephants". Enough of these dot our national landscape, and it's just so saddening that we never seem to learn.
There are very valid reasons for engaging, to consult widely. Sometimes, it is a good way to get a "Reality check" before jumping.
As far as ICT is concerned, tools, brain resources to tap from and good will are widely available. We can ensure we make effort to have things done right.
Possibly if all could adopt an "open door" policy, and engage just as you yourself have made effort to, then we would make a lot of progress.
Just a thought.
Regards, Harry
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KIE is doing a great job on education content development. We have several joint initiatives. Next week March 29 -31 we have a major e-learning conference to showcase local digital content. You are all welcome.
We shall make great progress if we begin by asking rather than complaining. Development is largely thinking positive and taking risk in good faith.
Regards
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR
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If I would look at it from another angle, I suppose also and I will keep on insisting - Let us please ensure for grand projects such as this that will impact on the nation, we develop a Multistakeholder approach, consult widely and sell the idea and also listen to other ideas out there,then settle on the best - in terms of feasibility,impact and cost effectiveness.
I think while it is good to initiate good projects that stand to benefit the nation, it will be prudent also to develop a model that will ensure all angles of such projects are covered right through from the point of incubation to implementation. We are accustomed now to "Surprise projects" when least expected, which fade off as soon as they are mooted.
While we on this topic, I posted earlier this morning an initiative by the Ministry of Education to digitalize the Academic curriculum in schools. For instance in this case, is the ministry of ICT Involved? What about other stakeholder...? What would this portend - especially for Educational Material /curriculum Publishers, who may lose a market share in the education sector? How feasible is it? What is the impact of the huge digital divide at present on such an initiative? What about broadband? Shouldn't we address this first..?
Certainly a lot of questions..I think it would be advisable for the govt. organs to engage far & wide..
Harry
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That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed employment.
Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do not begin the journey it will never be done.
Blessings,
Crystal Sent from my BlackBerryR
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Robert, Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools.
If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done".
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe once bitten twice shy.
The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath.
I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books are left behind.
With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and many other thinks.
Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to meet the objectives.
- 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the interlocking soil block making machines
- 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank.
- 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been offered technical training.
- 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough computer teachers.
- 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does not charge for solar, yet).
The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me for details).
Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already consumed the 7 million.
Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and writing materials for a bonding session.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Dear Ps,
As you can, see I have changed the subject on this thread, so that the discussion is not only on a particular project,at the same time not to appear to send wrong connotations. We do not intend to cast aspersions on any personality.
Frankly, what we concerned with here and would kindly request to be addressed, is the tendency by different govt. depts to assume "a go alone" approach on matters that involve a lot of stakeholders in different sectors nationally,only for such non consultative projects to hit several "dead ends" be declared non-starters with huge cost ramifications, wastage and credibility - At best they become "white elephants". Enough of these dot our national landscape, and it's just so saddening that we never seem to learn.
There are very valid reasons for engaging, to consult widely. Sometimes, it is a good way to get a "Reality check" before jumping.
As far as ICT is concerned, tools, brain resources to tap from and good will are widely available. We can ensure we make effort to have things done right.
Possibly if all could adopt an "open door" policy, and engage just as you yourself have made effort to, then we would make a lot of progress.
Just a thought.
Regards, Harry
-----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:09 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
KIE is doing a great job on education content development. We have several joint initiatives. Next week March 29 -31 we have a major e-learning conference to showcase local digital content. You are all welcome.
We shall make great progress if we begin by asking rather than complaining. Development is largely thinking positive and taking risk in good faith.
Regards
Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR
-----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:17:22 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
If I would look at it from another angle, I suppose also and I will keep on insisting - Let us please ensure for grand projects such as this that will impact on the nation, we develop a Multistakeholder approach, consult widely and sell the idea and also listen to other ideas out there,then settle on the best - in terms of feasibility,impact and cost effectiveness.
I think while it is good to initiate good projects that stand to benefit
Dear Gakiria, Thanks alot for this invaluable feedback. You speak well. Harry ( Hare), thanks alot for your earlier post, it helped capture how things stand currently.. Now, Gakiria - you are correct when you say that we have "Golden Nuggets" scattered all over the civil service with advanced skills, and the challenges faced in harnessing these skills for the common good of government. Then the picture that one gets is that, with all the massive training that goes into building these skill sets, the holders seem to be waiting for the next opportunity to jump ship for greener pastures on the other side of the fence. I made a proposal in an earlier post, that the ministry should make efforts, to lobby for better terms and conditions for these high calibre personnel to stay put. We have the resources to do it. Secondly, you mentioned about interconnecting skilled public servants, to work out on achieving important goals/projects collectively. This is quite a good initiative and very encouraging, since one area of cost effectiveness within govt is resource sharing. Trouble area, as we have been pointing out rather loudly, is not the skill set area. We are talking about the top strategic decision making process,policy planning/setting and project implementation. A process that needs wider consultations, feasibility studies, transparency and accountability - because these are national resources for national good. Well, this possibly might not be within your mandate to address. We would leave it at that, as I believe we've sufficiently addressed it in other posts. 3rd, The E-learning program looks good as an initiative in capacity building. However, I have just 3 questions. How far and wide is the outreach going to be, as I suppose one of the objectives is to bridge the digital divide. What about the cost at about 550 Euro for the course...? Will it reach, those who really need it in the rural & remote areas in an effort towards bridging the divide considering this cost..? And how about the broadband access in these areas, as it's one of the pre-requisites in order to learn online..? Please refer to a post Lilian made yesterday, on the Broadband impact, on Govt. delivery and empowerment of the larger kenyan landscape. E-Learning, would be an example of what she stated - quote to " fast track the use, value and appreciation of broadband especially among 'mwananchi' Clearly then, we need to address this Broadband conondrum bedevilling us, as we roll out E-learning and other broadband dependant projects across the country, otherwise they might become stillborn. What are we doing to address this..? Are we engaging service providers firmly enough, to make if affordable in the low income areas, to promote uptake. While at it, policy can be developed to give incentives to service providers investing in broadband service provision in such rural areas to drive their pricing to "Rock bottom", possibly even at 10% - 15% of the equivalent cost in the urban centres to try and "bridge". We will need such value based partnerships in order to drive these agendas forward. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gakiria Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:16 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Projects - National Implementation - ICT Dear Harry, You rightly mention the existence of a "big skills gap" in Government. While this could be true for some cadres like Business technologists as an example, i would hesitate to make that a sweeping statement. one thing i have observed is that there exists thousands of "Golden Nuggets" scattered all over the civil service, and by this i mean officers with specialized and extremely advanced skills sets in various critical fields across the board. Am sure you will agree with me that Government is the best trainer you can ever get (I know of enterprising individuals who aspire to enter the civil service with the sole aim of aggressivley exploiting the countless opportunities for training offered by Government). The challenge thus becomes, how can we sustainably and realistically interconnect these skilled public servants to create or achieve critical mass for specific/on going tasks and projects? And for those critical skill sets that are lacking or in very limited supply, how can we support their acquisition by civil servants? How many corporates are willing to donate part of their CSR or development resources to build a critical mass of Animators / Web masters / Business Technologists / Network engineers etc..The reality is that corporates will wait for Government to invest huge amounts of resources in training its officers then promptly snatch them up with attractive job offers. while they cannot be blamed for this, the question then becomes, how can we support development and retention of these skilled officers in Government? It is in the best interest for all of us to have highly skilled civil servants. On our part (Kenya e-Learning centre), we are working with the ministry of Information and communications and other stakeholders to start the process of harnessing our existing knowledge resources and other intangible assets for collective and National development objectives. One such initiative is the National e-Learning strategy development and implementation team. Skills development and transfer will form a core part of this strategy, targetting not only civil servants but also the private sector, civil society and religious organizations. Find attached a training program for the education and training sector as an example of course offerings being jointly developed. For those of you who can, i urge you to attend the regional e-Learning conference at KIE, 29 - 31March 2010 (http://www.icwe.co.ke/elearn2010/) Andrew On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Harry Hare <harry@africanedevelopment.org> wrote: Harry and Dr Ndemo, The "lone ranger" approach to the implementation of ICT projects in government is not easy to get rid of due to the various interests in these projects at both the ministry and even private sector levels. Minisries fight for budgets for their projects and would always want to control them. Now, we have a window that we could use to structure the development and adoption of ICT in Government through a consultative development of the "National ICT Masterplan". I think it is crucial that such a document is developed with a focus of looking at how ICT can assist in redelivering the vision 2030. This will be a holistic approach with a definite target. So all the ministry's will be responsible for implementing their piece of the Masterplan and reading from the same script. The implementation could be domiciled at the Ministry, giving them the ownership, with the supervisory and management role at the ICT Board or any such organisation. But having said that, there is a serious capacity problem in Government. Having worked with various ministries, I realise that there is a big skills gap of business technologists. The people with business knowledge who can look at the processes/policy and develop a business case for automating that process. These are the guys (inclusive of gals) who would take Dr Ndemo's policy statements and turn them into implementable IT projects. These people normally sit between the policy makers and the techies, cos they understand both worlds. This is not to disrespect the techies who are actually working out of their depth to initiate and manage complex systems in Government. But with the absence of this carder, the quality of the resulting services and the management of the projects will always be undermined. My peni mbili. Harry (Not Delano) On 3/25/10 10:17 AM, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: the
nation, it will be prudent also to develop a model that will ensure all angles of such projects are covered right through from the point of incubation to implementation. We are accustomed now to "Surprise projects" when least expected, which fade off as soon as they are mooted.
While we on this topic, I posted earlier this morning an initiative by the Ministry of Education to digitalize the Academic curriculum in schools. For instance in this case, is the ministry of ICT Involved? What about other stakeholder...? What would this portend - especially for Educational Material /curriculum Publishers, who may lose a market share in the education sector? How feasible is it? What is the impact of the huge digital divide at present on such an initiative? What about broadband? Shouldn't we address this first..?
Certainly a lot of questions..I think it would be advisable for the govt. organs to engage far & wide..
Harry
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That is precisely my arguement for using those funds for training centers and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are designed to teach people computer and Internet skills. The people who are trained can then working in the schools, clinics, and other areas where ICTs can be used for development. Education must be viewed holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school children who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed employment.
Let us consider the long term ramifications of our investments and ensure that we get the maximum impact. It is easier said than done, but if we do not begin the journey it will never be done.
Blessings,
Crystal Sent from my BlackBerryR
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Robert, Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya you cannot try to do anything without taking into account of regional interests. I hope you are watching the constitutional process and the regional emotions. Imagine if we were to start with schools in the ASAL region promising to cover the entire country in the next five years. Consider that Ministry of Education does not have adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will need at least one computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000 secondary schools.
If we need to close the digital divide, we all must change. We must for example begin volunteering to teach both the students and the unemployed youth computers. By so doing, you will one day live to say what you did for your country. Like it is said "it is easier said than done".
Regards
Ndemo.
Hi,
It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the Hon. Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I believe once bitten twice shy.
The project was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7 Million which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per province this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the MP of Kisumu Hon. Shabbir raising the issue of the buses and getting dismissed as a self seeking technology Neanderthal, lets hope this is the beginning of sanity in the ICT arena, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath.
I suspect that the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from the mobile library project but someone forgot that with a library the books are left behind.
With Kes 7 million we could do much more than just a single bus with 20 computer that requires a driver, insurance, service, generators, and many other thinks.
Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million could be better utilised to meet the objectives.
- 20% to be used for physical facilities (stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M - This can build 150 sq m of classroom space inclusive of electrical wiring & burger proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m which means we can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20 screens/pcs. We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing provided the interlocking soil block making machines
- 30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1 million we which we need to provide sufficient power. The computers will need to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT screens and cpu sharing devices that allow 1 computer to be used simultaneously by 4 or more students. With this our power requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA which can easily be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank.
- 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers, printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local caching. This will also include structured cabling which will be done by the graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they will have been offered technical training.
- 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them certified in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which would provide enough computer teachers.
- 10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that there are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity costs (God does not charge for solar, yet).
The 10 labs can be used by the schools during the day and could be made available to the community in the evenings and as digital villages over the weekends where content can be generated, yes local content (ask me for details).
Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1 bus to create 10 centers why won't we actually do this, because I did not factor in the feasibility study costs, 30%, seminars and workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20% and well nothing else to include as the preliminary costs have already consumed the 7 million.
Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will not go to drinking water and writing materials for a bonding session.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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