On 3/25/10 10:17 AM, "Harry Delano" <
harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
wrote:
> Dear Ps,
>
> As you can, see I have changed the
subject on this thread, so that the
> discussion is not only on a
particular project,at the same time not to
> appear to send wrong
connotations. We do not intend to cast aspersions on
> any
personality.
>
> Frankly, what we concerned with here and would
kindly request to be
> addressed, is the tendency by different govt.
depts to assume "a go alone"
> approach on matters that involve a lot of
stakeholders in different sectors
> nationally,only for such non
consultative projects to hit several "dead
> ends" be declared
non-starters with huge cost ramifications, wastage and
> credibility -
At best they become "white elephants". Enough of these dot our
>
national landscape, and it's just so saddening that we never seem to
learn.
>
> There are very valid reasons for engaging, to consult
widely. Sometimes, it
> is a good way to get a "Reality check" before
jumping.
>
> As far as ICT is concerned, tools, brain resources to
tap from and good will
> are widely available. We can ensure we make
effort to have things done
> right.
>
> Possibly if all
could adopt an "open door" policy, and engage just as you
> yourself
have made effort to, then we would make a lot of progress.
>
>
Just a thought.
>
> Regards,
> Harry
>
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From:
bitange@jambo.co.ke [mailto:
bitange@jambo.co.ke]
> Sent:
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:09 PM
> To:
harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Cc:
KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray
on ICT Bus
>
> KIE is doing a great job on education content
development. We have several
> joint initiatives. Next week
March 29 -31 we have a major e-learning
> conference to showcase local
digital content. You are all welcome.
>
> We shall make
great progress if we begin by asking rather than complaining.
>
Development is largely thinking positive and taking risk in good
faith.
>
> Regards
>
> Ndemo.
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Harry
Delano" <
harry@comtelsys.co.ke>
>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:17:22
> To: <
bitange@jambo.co.ke>
> Cc:
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>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
>
>
> If I
would look at it from another angle, I suppose also and I will keep on
>
insisting - Let us please ensure for grand projects such as this that
will
> impact on the nation, we develop a Multistakeholder approach,
consult widely
> and sell the idea and also listen to other ideas out
there,then settle on
> the best - in terms of feasibility,impact and
cost effectiveness.
>
> I think while it is good to initiate good
projects that stand to benefit the
> nation, it will be prudent also to
develop a model that will ensure all
> angles of such projects are
covered right through from the point of
> incubation to implementation.
We are accustomed now to "Surprise projects"
> when least expected,
which fade off as soon as they are mooted.
>
> While we on this
topic, I posted earlier this morning an initiative by the
> Ministry of
Education to digitalize the Academic curriculum in schools. For
>
instance in this case, is the ministry of ICT Involved? What about
other
> stakeholder...? What would this portend - especially for
Educational
> Material /curriculum Publishers, who may lose a market
share in the
> education sector?
> How feasible is it? What
is
> the impact of the huge digital divide at present on such an
initiative? What
> about broadband? Shouldn't we address this
first..?
>
> Certainly a lot of questions..I think it would be
advisable for the govt.
> organs to engage far &
wide..
>
> Harry
>
>
>
>
>
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On
> Behalf Of
crystal@voicesofafrica.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:29 PM
> To:
harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Cc:
KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray
on ICT Bus
>
> That is precisely my arguement for using those
funds for training centers
> and Rural Internet Kiosks. These are
designed to teach people computer and
> Internet skills. The people who
are trained can then working in the schools,
> clinics, and other areas
where ICTs can be used for development. Education
> must be viewed
holistically to encompass the whole society not simply school
> children
who can occassionally board the bus. In addition these projects are
>
financially self sustaining after implementation and prove much needed
>
employment.
>
> Let us consider the long term ramifications of our
investments and ensure
> that we get the maximum impact. It is easier
said than done, but if we do
> not begin the journey it will never be
done.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Crystal
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
bitange@jambo.co.ke> Date: Wed,
24 Mar 2010 19:15:50
> To: <
crystal@voicesofafrica.org>
>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<
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>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Ongeri Hurray on ICT Bus
>
>
Robert,
> Things are not as easy as you write here. Today in Kenya
you cannot try to
> do anything without taking into account of regional
interests. I hope you
> are watching the constitutional process
and the regional emotions.
> Imagine if we were to start with schools in
the ASAL region promising to
> cover the entire country in the next five
years. Consider that Ministry of
> Education does not have
adequate number of teachers as we speak yet you will
> need at least one
computer teacher in the 20,000 primary schools and 9,000
> secondary
schools.
>
> If we need to close the digital divide, we all must
change. We must for
> example begin volunteering to teach both the
students and the unemployed
> youth computers. By so doing, you
will one day live to say what you did for
> your country. Like it
is said "it is easier said than done".
>
>
Regards
>
>
>
Ndemo.
>
>
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
It seems that some sanity is coming into the education realm with the
Hon.
>> Minister Dr. Ongeri canceling the proposed ICT Bus project, I
believe
>> once bitten twice shy.
>>
>> The project
was to cost Kes. 1.2 B with each bus costing Kes. 7
>> Million
which equates to 171 buses that is roughly 24 buses per
>> province
this was surely another scan in the making. I remember the
>>
MP of
> Kisumu Hon.
>> Shabbir raising the issue of the buses
and getting dismissed as a self
>> seeking technology Neanderthal,
lets hope this is the beginning of
>> sanity in the ICT arena, but if
I was you I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>
>> I suspect that
the concept of mobile computer labs was a thinking from
>> the mobile
library project but someone forgot that with a library the
>> books
are left behind.
>>
>> With Kes 7 million we could do much
more than just a single bus with
>> 20 computer that requires a
driver, insurance, service, generators,
>> and many other
thinks.
>>
>> Here is my suggestion on how the 7 million
could be better utilised to
>> meet the
objectives.
>>
>> - 20% to be used for physical facilities
(stone & mortar) - Kes. 1.4 M
>> - This can build 150 sq m of
classroom space inclusive of electrical
>> wiring & burger
proofed windows. An average computer lab is 15 sq m
>> which means we
can build 10 labs and each can accommodate 20
>> screens/pcs.
We could build even more labs if the Ministry if Housing
>>
provided the interlocking soil block making machines
>>
>> -
30% to be used for provision of power to the lab - Kes. 2.1
million
>> we which we need to provide sufficient power. The
computers will need
>> to be low power consumers therefore we use TFT
screens and cpu sharing
>> devices that allow 1 computer to be used
simultaneously by 4 or more
> students.
>> With this our power
requirement for each lab would be below 1,000 VA
>> which can easily
be supplied by a few solar panels and a battery bank.
>>
>>
- 20% for the actual hardware - Kes. 1.4 M - DC powered computers,
>>
printers and GSM modem with a good proxy server to provide local
caching.
>> This will also include structured cabling which will be
done by the
>> graduats of the kazi kwa Vijani initiative where they
will have been
>> offered technical training.
>>
>>
- 20% teacher training - Kes. 1.4 M, even if we have them
certified
>> in ICDL we shall be able to train 66 teachers which
would provide
>> enough computer teachers.
>>
>> -
10% well I leave you to decide what to do with that, note that
there
>> are no recurrent costs such as drivers, diesel, electricity
costs (God
>> does not charge for solar,
yet).
>>
>> The 10 labs can be used by the schools during
the day and could be
>> made available to the community in the
evenings and as digital
>> villages over the weekends where content
can be generated, yes local
>> content (ask me for
details).
>>
>> Now that I have spend the equivalent of 1
bus to create 10 centers why
>> won't we actually do this, because I
did not factor in the feasibility
>> study costs, 30%, seminars and
workshops 50%, sitting allowances 20%
>> and well nothing else to
include as the preliminary costs have already
>> consumed the 7
million.
>>
>> Ongeri hurray but lets hope the money will
not go to drinking water
>> and writing materials for a bonding
session.
>>
>>
Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert
Yawe
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> Phoenix House, 6th
Floor
>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>
Kenya
>>
>>
>> Tel: +254722511225,
+254202010696
>>
>>
>>
>>
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