ICT BOARD - ANY LESSONS TO LEARN
Listers, Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn't follow on what they did. I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there. Anyone with any insights. Kind Regards, Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer Bernsoft Interactive Limited P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya Office: +254-703-080-000 Mobile: +254-722-540-883
Bernard My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here. Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization. Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged. Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators. The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner. As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up. Regards James On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Listers,****
** **
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn’t follow on what they did.****
** **
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.****
** **
Anyone with any insights.****
** **
* *
* *
*Kind Regards, *
* *
*Bernard Kioko *Chief Executive Officer**
Bernsoft Interactive Limited****
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya****
Office: +254-703-080-000****
Mobile: +254-722-540-883****
** **
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That's really harsh, i think we need to be objective and look at it through a SWOT binocular, in some cases the ICT board did well in my opinion, let us objectively analyse its weaknesses because the new authority might learn a thing or two from that. Best Regards On 8/20/13, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Bernard
My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here.
Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization.
Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged.
Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators.
The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner.
As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up.
Regards
James
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Listers,****
** **
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn’t follow on what they did.****
** **
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.****
** **
Anyone with any insights.****
** **
* *
* *
*Kind Regards, *
* *
*Bernard Kioko *Chief Executive Officer**
Bernsoft Interactive Limited****
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya****
Office: +254-703-080-000****
Mobile: +254-722-540-883****
** **
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Barrack Maybe it is. But it is something I have stated repeatedly here when I was questioning the rationale of endless visits to the US instead of using that money to bring venture capitalists to come and meet innovators here. If an organization does well it does well and it is recognized. If it doesn't, it should be criticized and many blogs have criticized this organization to no end. Actually, when Kukubo left, I said the board should be disbanded or overhauled completely and every position advertised to be filled competitively. And this is not from reading articles, it is from first hand experience. True, some good people exist but everything rises and falls with leadership. J. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
That's really harsh, i think we need to be objective and look at it through a SWOT binocular, in some cases the ICT board did well in my opinion, let us objectively analyse its weaknesses because the new authority might learn a thing or two from that.
Best Regards
On 8/20/13, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Bernard
My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here.
Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization.
Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged.
Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators.
The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner.
As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up.
Regards
James
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Listers,****
** **
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn’t follow on what they did.****
** **
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.****
** **
Anyone with any insights.****
** **
* *
* *
*Kind Regards, *
* *
*Bernard Kioko *Chief Executive Officer**
Bernsoft Interactive Limited****
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya****
Office: +254-703-080-000****
Mobile: +254-722-540-883****
** **
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++1 ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 20 August 2013 13:23, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack
Maybe it is. But it is something I have stated repeatedly here when I was questioning the rationale of endless visits to the US instead of using that money to bring venture capitalists to come and meet innovators here.
If an organization does well it does well and it is recognized. If it doesn't, it should be criticized and many blogs have criticized this organization to no end.
Actually, when Kukubo left, I said the board should be disbanded or overhauled completely and every position advertised to be filled competitively.
And this is not from reading articles, it is from first hand experience.
True, some good people exist but everything rises and falls with leadership.
J.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
That's really harsh, i think we need to be objective and look at it through a SWOT binocular, in some cases the ICT board did well in my opinion, let us objectively analyse its weaknesses because the new authority might learn a thing or two from that.
Best Regards
On 8/20/13, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Bernard
My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here.
Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization.
Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged.
Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators.
The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner.
As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up.
Regards
James
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Listers,****
** **
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn’t follow on what they did.****
** **
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.****
** **
Anyone with any insights.****
** **
* *
* *
*Kind Regards, *
* *
*Bernard Kioko *Chief Executive Officer**
Bernsoft Interactive Limited****
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya****
Office: +254-703-080-000****
Mobile: +254-722-540-883****
** **
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Hi, Hey Hey ..any one from ICT board in the network!?...Create some awareness ..""How will they know lest they are told" Judy Muli COB On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
++1
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 20 August 2013 13:23, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack
Maybe it is. But it is something I have stated repeatedly here when I was questioning the rationale of endless visits to the US instead of using that money to bring venture capitalists to come and meet innovators here.
If an organization does well it does well and it is recognized. If it doesn't, it should be criticized and many blogs have criticized this organization to no end.
Actually, when Kukubo left, I said the board should be disbanded or overhauled completely and every position advertised to be filled competitively.
And this is not from reading articles, it is from first hand experience.
True, some good people exist but everything rises and falls with leadership.
J.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
That's really harsh, i think we need to be objective and look at it through a SWOT binocular, in some cases the ICT board did well in my opinion, let us objectively analyse its weaknesses because the new authority might learn a thing or two from that.
Best Regards
Bernard
My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here.
Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization.
Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged.
Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators.
The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner.
As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up.
Regards
James
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Listers,****
** **
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn’t follow on what they did.****
** **
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.****
** **
Anyone with any insights.****
** **
* *
* *
*Kind Regards, *
* *
*Bernard Kioko *Chief Executive Officer**
Bernsoft Interactive Limited****
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya****
Office: +254-703-080-000****
Mobile: +254-722-540-883****
** **
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On 8/20/13, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: platform privacy, do
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"The corpse is dead", and "blood is on the streets"! Who can defend the undefendable? On 20/08/2013, Judy M. Muli <judym.muli@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Hey Hey ..any one from ICT board in the network!?...Create some awareness ..""How will they know lest they are told"
Judy Muli COB
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
++1
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 20 August 2013 13:23, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack
Maybe it is. But it is something I have stated repeatedly here when I was questioning the rationale of endless visits to the US instead of using that money to bring venture capitalists to come and meet innovators here.
If an organization does well it does well and it is recognized. If it doesn't, it should be criticized and many blogs have criticized this organization to no end.
Actually, when Kukubo left, I said the board should be disbanded or overhauled completely and every position advertised to be filled competitively.
And this is not from reading articles, it is from first hand experience.
True, some good people exist but everything rises and falls with leadership.
J.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
That's really harsh, i think we need to be objective and look at it through a SWOT binocular, in some cases the ICT board did well in my opinion, let us objectively analyse its weaknesses because the new authority might learn a thing or two from that.
Best Regards
Bernard
My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here.
Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization.
Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged.
Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators.
The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner.
As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up.
Regards
James
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Listers,****
** **
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn’t follow on what they did.****
** **
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.****
** **
Anyone with any insights.****
** **
* *
* *
*Kind Regards, *
* *
*Bernard Kioko *Chief Executive Officer**
Bernsoft Interactive Limited****
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya****
Office: +254-703-080-000****
Mobile: +254-722-540-883****
** **
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On 8/20/13, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: platform privacy, do
not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
Interesting... The Chinese would tell you that we are already living in interesting times. I have always said that we cannot purport to build and BPO industry unless we work hard to build our capacities. India and S. Korea are not IT powerhouses because they built technology cities. They went out of their way to train their people. They invested in people. Those people work for Western companies while in their homes, or they go there and work and repatriate their income. They also innovate and produce products that earn their countries foreign exchange. They don't train University and Tertiary students on 10 packages at Ksh 5,000. They teach them the hard stuff! They dont teach them how to deploy packaged software, but how to develop their own software. I hope that the new ICTA will keep this in mind. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
"The corpse is dead", and "blood is on the streets"! Who can defend the undefendable?
On 20/08/2013, Judy M. Muli <judym.muli@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Hey Hey ..any one from ICT board in the network!?...Create some awareness ..""How will they know lest they are told"
Judy Muli COB
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
++1
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 20 August 2013 13:23, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack
Maybe it is. But it is something I have stated repeatedly here when I was questioning the rationale of endless visits to the US instead of using that money to bring venture capitalists to come and meet innovators here.
If an organization does well it does well and it is recognized. If it doesn't, it should be criticized and many blogs have criticized this organization to no end.
Actually, when Kukubo left, I said the board should be disbanded or overhauled completely and every position advertised to be filled competitively.
And this is not from reading articles, it is from first hand experience.
True, some good people exist but everything rises and falls with leadership.
J.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
That's really harsh, i think we need to be objective and look at it through a SWOT binocular, in some cases the ICT board did well in my opinion, let us objectively analyse its weaknesses because the new authority might learn a thing or two from that.
Best Regards
On 8/20/13, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Bernard
My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here.
Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization.
Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged.
Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators.
The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner.
As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up.
Regards
James
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
> Listers,**** > > ** ** > > Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), > my > head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong > there > and > what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything > tangible or is it just me who didn’t follow on what they did.**** > > ** ** > > I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their > initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because > I > always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am > starting to think something was wrong there.**** > > ** ** > > Anyone with any insights.**** > > ** ** > > * * > > * * > > *Kind Regards, * > > * * > > *Bernard Kioko > *Chief Executive Officer** > > Bernsoft Interactive Limited**** > > P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya**** > > Office: +254-703-080-000**** > > Mobile: +254-722-540-883**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at >
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I think their biggest folly (which is by no means not unique to them) was a lack of constructive engagement with the private sector, especially SMEs. The fact that I don't have as many employees or as big a budget as IBM and Accenture etc does not for once second mean that my input is any less valid On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
++1
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On 20 August 2013 13:23, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Barrack
Maybe it is. But it is something I have stated repeatedly here when I was questioning the rationale of endless visits to the US instead of using that money to bring venture capitalists to come and meet innovators here.
If an organization does well it does well and it is recognized. If it doesn't, it should be criticized and many blogs have criticized this organization to no end.
Actually, when Kukubo left, I said the board should be disbanded or overhauled completely and every position advertised to be filled competitively.
And this is not from reading articles, it is from first hand experience.
True, some good people exist but everything rises and falls with leadership.
J.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
That's really harsh, i think we need to be objective and look at it through a SWOT binocular, in some cases the ICT board did well in my opinion, let us objectively analyse its weaknesses because the new authority might learn a thing or two from that.
Best Regards
Bernard
My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here.
Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization.
Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged.
Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators.
The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner.
As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up.
Regards
James
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Listers,****
** **
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn’t follow on what they did.****
** **
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.****
** **
Anyone with any insights.****
** **
* *
* *
*Kind Regards, *
* *
*Bernard Kioko *Chief Executive Officer**
Bernsoft Interactive Limited****
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya****
Office: +254-703-080-000****
Mobile: +254-722-540-883****
** **
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I believe Kukubo is still a lister and the sooner he sheds some light, the better. I interacted with the Board severally and surely, we should also give credit when due. Jessie R. Kirongothi Providing globally competitive professionals From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kirongothi=kasneb.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Rad! Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:00 PM To: Jessie R. Kirongothi Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT BOARD - ANY LESSONS TO LEARN I think their biggest folly (which is by no means not unique to them) was a lack of constructive engagement with the private sector, especially SMEs. The fact that I don't have as many employees or as big a budget as IBM and Accenture etc does not for once second mean that my input is any less valid On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: ++1 ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 20 August 2013 13:23, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: Barrack Maybe it is. But it is something I have stated repeatedly here when I was questioning the rationale of endless visits to the US instead of using that money to bring venture capitalists to come and meet innovators here. If an organization does well it does well and it is recognized. If it doesn't, it should be criticized and many blogs have criticized this organization to no end. Actually, when Kukubo left, I said the board should be disbanded or overhauled completely and every position advertised to be filled competitively. And this is not from reading articles, it is from first hand experience. True, some good people exist but everything rises and falls with leadership. J. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: That's really harsh, i think we need to be objective and look at it through a SWOT binocular, in some cases the ICT board did well in my opinion, let us objectively analyse its weaknesses because the new authority might learn a thing or two from that. Best Regards On 8/20/13, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Bernard
My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here.
Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization.
Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged.
Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators.
The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner.
As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up.
Regards
James
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Listers,****
** **
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything
tangible or is it just me who didn't follow on what they did.****
** **
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am
starting to think something was wrong there.****
** **
Anyone with any insights.****
** **
* *
* *
*Kind Regards, *
* *
*Bernard Kioko *Chief Executive Officer**
Bernsoft Interactive Limited****
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya****
Office: +254-703-080-000 <tel:%2B254-703-080-000> ****
Mobile: +254-722-540-883 <tel:%2B254-722-540-883> ****
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@Mbugua, Quite some harsh verdict I suppose. Ofcourse ICT Board had its weakness - like we all do. But I think they did some things right and we shouldn't burn their house in totality but rather seek to improve (soulds like the ongoing political argument of "get rid of IEBC vs "streamline it"?) I am for streamlining institutions rather than burying them because of "this and that". Whats more, if most of us think Dr. Ndemo did a good, he must have done / actualized it through the Kenya ICT Board (e.g Idea of TEAMs, Konza City, KENET, Govt Shared Services, etc). Ofcourse I get the constant vibe that ICT Board over-concentrated on the overseas markets at the expense of local markets/developers/SMES in the ICT Industry. Something for the new ICT Authority to work on. walu. ________________________________ From: James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT BOARD - ANY LESSONS TO LEARN Barrack Maybe it is. But it is something I have stated repeatedly here when I was questioning the rationale of endless visits to the US instead of using that money to bring venture capitalists to come and meet innovators here. If an organization does well it does well and it is recognized. If it doesn't, it should be criticized and many blogs have criticized this organization to no end. Actually, when Kukubo left, I said the board should be disbanded or overhauled completely and every position advertised to be filled competitively. And this is not from reading articles, it is from first hand experience. True, some good people exist but everything rises and falls with leadership. J. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: That's really harsh, i think we need to be objective and look at it
through a SWOT binocular, in some cases the ICT board did well in my opinion, let us objectively analyse its weaknesses because the new authority might learn a thing or two from that.
Best Regards
On 8/20/13, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Bernard
My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here.
Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization.
Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged.
Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators.
The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner.
As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up.
Regards
James
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Listers,****
** **
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn’t follow on what they did.****
** **
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.****
** **
Anyone with any insights.****
** **
* *
* *
*Kind Regards, *
* *
*Bernard Kioko *Chief Executive Officer**
Bernsoft Interactive Limited****
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya****
Office: +254-703-080-000****
Mobile: +254-722-540-883****
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Hi, It is all about the per-Diem factor which affects all government agencies around the world, it times I suspect that this is actually what governments where set up to provide. The factor is still rife as you might have seen with all the international traveling being done my the newly elected Governors, what you need to be questioning is ratio of salary to per-Diem for public "servants" as at the end of it the trips by the KICT Board executives all fell within the budget and mandate of the organisation. We recently saw millions spent on a tele-presence solution for the judiciary only for them to turn it off and instead budget for a multi-billion fixed wing aircraft, reason for this is that if you tele-conference there will be no per-Diem, closer to the list is the Konnected Kenya conference that always takes place in Mombasa and has a better attendance than the budget speech, why per-Diem. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2013, 12:52 Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT BOARD - ANY LESSONS TO LEARN Bernard My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here. Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization. Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged. Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators. The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner. As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up. Regards James On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote: Listers,
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn’t follow on what they did. I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there. Anyone with any insights. Kind Regards, Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer Bernsoft Interactive Limited P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya Office: +254-703-080-000 Mobile: +254-722-540-883 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Note, our globe trotting civil society activists cannot condemn what they also practice. They invest in 4 wheel drives but will not spend half the amount (locally) on technology to improve transparency and efficiency in their organizations. Blessings Murigi / Stanley Muraya *"Better a patient person than a warrior, one with self-control than one who takes a city." Prov 16:32* On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:40 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
It is all about the per-Diem factor which affects all government agencies around the world, it times I suspect that this is actually what governments where set up to provide.
The factor is still rife as you might have seen with all the international traveling being done my the newly elected Governors, what you need to be questioning is ratio of salary to per-Diem for public "servants" as at the end of it the trips by the KICT Board executives all fell within the budget and mandate of the organisation.
We recently saw millions spent on a tele-presence solution for the judiciary only for them to turn it off and instead budget for a multi-billion fixed wing aircraft, reason for this is that if you tele-conference there will be no per-Diem, closer to the list is the Konnected Kenya conference that always takes place in Mombasa and has a better attendance than the budget speech, why per-Diem.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 August 2013, 12:52
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] ICT BOARD - ANY LESSONS TO LEARN
Bernard
My feelings on this board are not hidden. I have made them here.
Corruption, lavish living and travelling unnecessarily, lack of a focused strategy, employing overpaid, clueless prima donnas who acted as if the world owed them and overall poor management and oversight plagued this organization.
Actually, if it was properly audited, the ICT Board should see several individuals jailed and surcharged.
Know-it-alls employed within its ranks did nothing but stifle innovation and frustrate innovators.
The new authority should seek assistance with the crafting of its Vision and Mission which will then guide it in executing its mandate in a focused manner.
As I indicated when we were discussing the M-Pesa platform, I really don't like the stifling of innovation because when let free you never know what new things these minds will come up with. We need to allow for disruptive technologies to come up.
Regards
James
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Listers,**** ** ** Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn’t follow on what they did.**** ** ** I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.**** ** ** Anyone with any insights.**** ** ** * * * * *Kind Regards, * * * *Bernard Kioko *Chief Executive Officer** Bernsoft Interactive Limited**** P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya**** Office: +254-703-080-000**** Mobile: +254-722-540-883**** ** **
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Bernard, The changes you are seeing now are as a result of the lessons we learnt and correctly recommended that ICTB be combined with e-Government. Most of ICTB budget came from the World Bank and it meant that we do things as per the demands of the Bank. Majority of the staff were paid by the Bank on contract basis. Mid stream we changed policy and indeed communicated that we had shifted from marketing Kenya abroad to local outsourcing. This was necessitated by the digitization program from WB resources. Indeed work was done in Ministry of Lands, State Law Office and Judiciary. Registries that today demad several applications and back end work. If we had succeeded in bringing the different ICT units together, we shall have realized our local outsourcing much earlier and we hope this happens since they will be singing from one hym book. It was pointless to continue marketing Kenya abroad when we had sufficient work locally. In several fora, I stated that we wanted to invert India's strategy (in October I will be in India to elaborate our strategy which the Indians picked from Media) by looking more inwards for outsourcing. Once we became proficient and realized internal efficienies, then we could now move to the outside world. We still have the opportunity to use this strategy. On the innovation side we continued to encourage companies like IBM to bring their research experience to Kenya. Indeed if you peruse through the MOU, we shall share IP proceeds while at the same time developing capacity. Research is the backbone of any country that is building innovative capacity like Kenya. We must inculcate that culture by learning through others and that is what we were doing. Our efforts to incubate several startups at Sameer flopped as we could not get the funding. There were several firms from the creative industry who would have benefited from the program but we were told to hold it until Konza was built. As you know Konza was not just a real estate exercise as some of you may have thought. We were trying to create a non existent creative economy ecosystem. To realize the triple helix model of development just like the newly induatrialized or industrialized countries. No country has developed on the backdrop of peasant mentality devoid of research, policy and industry working in unison. If you correlate for example, the growth of Korea and research spending, you will see almost a perfect positive correlation. The more the country is spending on research, the more developed it becomes and more sustainable wealth creation. Working in Government is probably the most difficult assigment anyone can do. You get criticism from everybody. There are multiple and conflicting interests from various interest group that one must balance. There is a selfish parliament and individuals that no selection process can be fair. We tried our best and let us now support those in office to try as much. Personally, I have no intention of ever wanting to serve in our sector at the administrative level. I continue to play a key role as a newly appointed Honorary Chair of the Alliance for Affordable Internent (A4AI) and an advisor to the Better than Cash Alliance. I will also continue to participate in activities that will deepen the application of technology in Kenya. I also have time now to write more than I have done before. It is pointless to be aspectator who only highlight mistakes of those in the field. I want to see you seek to lead ICTA just like Yawe has done with Posta. Ndemo.
Listers,
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn't follow on what they did.
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.
Anyone with any insights.
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-000
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
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Listers,
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn't follow on what
Daktari, I guess these are the insights I was looking for and yes I do see the balance. I guess I just didn't follow up keenly on what ICT Board was upto. Thank you for your reply. Kind Regards, Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer Bernsoft Interactive Limited P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya Office: +254-703-080-000 Mobile: +254-722-540-883 -----Original Message----- From: Bitange Ndemo [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:20 PM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT BOARD - ANY LESSONS TO LEARN Bernard, The changes you are seeing now are as a result of the lessons we learnt and correctly recommended that ICTB be combined with e-Government. Most of ICTB budget came from the World Bank and it meant that we do things as per the demands of the Bank. Majority of the staff were paid by the Bank on contract basis. Mid stream we changed policy and indeed communicated that we had shifted from marketing Kenya abroad to local outsourcing. This was necessitated by the digitization program from WB resources. Indeed work was done in Ministry of Lands, State Law Office and Judiciary. Registries that today demad several applications and back end work. If we had succeeded in bringing the different ICT units together, we shall have realized our local outsourcing much earlier and we hope this happens since they will be singing from one hym book. It was pointless to continue marketing Kenya abroad when we had sufficient work locally. In several fora, I stated that we wanted to invert India's strategy (in October I will be in India to elaborate our strategy which the Indians picked from Media) by looking more inwards for outsourcing. Once we became proficient and realized internal efficienies, then we could now move to the outside world. We still have the opportunity to use this strategy. On the innovation side we continued to encourage companies like IBM to bring their research experience to Kenya. Indeed if you peruse through the MOU, we shall share IP proceeds while at the same time developing capacity. Research is the backbone of any country that is building innovative capacity like Kenya. We must inculcate that culture by learning through others and that is what we were doing. Our efforts to incubate several startups at Sameer flopped as we could not get the funding. There were several firms from the creative industry who would have benefited from the program but we were told to hold it until Konza was built. As you know Konza was not just a real estate exercise as some of you may have thought. We were trying to create a non existent creative economy ecosystem. To realize the triple helix model of development just like the newly induatrialized or industrialized countries. No country has developed on the backdrop of peasant mentality devoid of research, policy and industry working in unison. If you correlate for example, the growth of Korea and research spending, you will see almost a perfect positive correlation. The more the country is spending on research, the more developed it becomes and more sustainable wealth creation. Working in Government is probably the most difficult assigment anyone can do. You get criticism from everybody. There are multiple and conflicting interests from various interest group that one must balance. There is a selfish parliament and individuals that no selection process can be fair. We tried our best and let us now support those in office to try as much. Personally, I have no intention of ever wanting to serve in our sector at the administrative level. I continue to play a key role as a newly appointed Honorary Chair of the Alliance for Affordable Internent (A4AI) and an advisor to the Better than Cash Alliance. I will also continue to participate in activities that will deepen the application of technology in Kenya. I also have time now to write more than I have done before. It is pointless to be aspectator who only highlight mistakes of those in the field. I want to see you seek to lead ICTA just like Yawe has done with Posta. Ndemo. they did.
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.
Anyone with any insights.
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-000
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
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Dr, Excellent insights. "*No country has developed on the backdrop of peasant mentality devoid of research, policy and industry working in unison*" --- must be the quote of the week Mutuvi. On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] <bkioko@bernsoft.com> wrote:
Daktari,
I guess these are the insights I was looking for and yes I do see the balance. I guess I just didn't follow up keenly on what ICT Board was upto.
Thank you for your reply.
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer Bernsoft Interactive Limited P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya Office: +254-703-080-000 Mobile: +254-722-540-883
-----Original Message----- From: Bitange Ndemo [mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:20 PM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT BOARD - ANY LESSONS TO LEARN
Bernard, The changes you are seeing now are as a result of the lessons we learnt and correctly recommended that ICTB be combined with e-Government. Most of ICTB budget came from the World Bank and it meant that we do things as per the demands of the Bank. Majority of the staff were paid by the Bank on contract basis.
Mid stream we changed policy and indeed communicated that we had shifted from marketing Kenya abroad to local outsourcing. This was necessitated by the digitization program from WB resources. Indeed work was done in Ministry of Lands, State Law Office and Judiciary. Registries that today demad several applications and back end work. If we had succeeded in bringing the different ICT units together, we shall have realized our local outsourcing much earlier and we hope this happens since they will be singing from one hym book.
It was pointless to continue marketing Kenya abroad when we had sufficient work locally. In several fora, I stated that we wanted to invert India's strategy (in October I will be in India to elaborate our strategy which the Indians picked from Media) by looking more inwards for outsourcing. Once we became proficient and realized internal efficienies, then we could now move to the outside world. We still have the opportunity to use this strategy.
On the innovation side we continued to encourage companies like IBM to bring their research experience to Kenya. Indeed if you peruse through the MOU, we shall share IP proceeds while at the same time developing capacity. Research is the backbone of any country that is building innovative capacity like Kenya. We must inculcate that culture by learning through others and that is what we were doing.
Our efforts to incubate several startups at Sameer flopped as we could not get the funding. There were several firms from the creative industry who would have benefited from the program but we were told to hold it until Konza was built. As you know Konza was not just a real estate exercise as some of you may have thought. We were trying to create a non existent creative economy ecosystem. To realize the triple helix model of development just like the newly induatrialized or industrialized countries. No country has developed on the backdrop of peasant mentality devoid of research, policy and industry working in unison.
If you correlate for example, the growth of Korea and research spending, you will see almost a perfect positive correlation. The more the country is spending on research, the more developed it becomes and more sustainable wealth creation.
Working in Government is probably the most difficult assigment anyone can do. You get criticism from everybody. There are multiple and conflicting interests from various interest group that one must balance. There is a selfish parliament and individuals that no selection process can be fair. We tried our best and let us now support those in office to try as much.
Personally, I have no intention of ever wanting to serve in our sector at the administrative level. I continue to play a key role as a newly appointed Honorary Chair of the Alliance for Affordable Internent (A4AI) and an advisor to the Better than Cash Alliance. I will also continue to participate in activities that will deepen the application of technology in Kenya. I also have time now to write more than I have done before.
It is pointless to be aspectator who only highlight mistakes of those in the field. I want to see you seek to lead ICTA just like Yawe has done with Posta.
Ndemo.
Listers,
Now that the ICT Board has been disbanded (or absorbed not sure which), my head has been active with the thoughts of what really went wrong there and what lessons can be learnt. How did that board not leave us with anything tangible or is it just me who didn't follow on what they did.
I always felt (quietly) that the ICT Board was going about their initiatives in the wrong (or not practical) way but I kept silent because I always kept feeling its me who was wrong. Now, more and more now, am starting to think something was wrong there.
Anyone with any insights.
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-000
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
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participants (13)
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Barrack Otieno -
Bernard Kioko [Bernsoft Interactive Limited] -
Bitange Ndemo -
Evans Ikua -
J.R. Kirongothi -
James Mbugua -
Judy M. Muli -
Kivuva -
Rad! -
robert yawe -
S.M. Muraya -
steve mutuvi -
Walubengo J