Re: [kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out?
Am glad that Uganda has picked this up. Indeed the current IPv4 numbers are so depleted that estimates show that the last bunch (slash /8s of IPv4) numbers from IANA (or ICANN) will be distributed some time in Q1, 2011. You can check this some of these Statistics on the AfriNIC or other sites below: http://www.afrinic.net/statistics http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/ @Ronald, Yes we have no reason to panic in as far as what to do next is concerned i.e. adopt IPv6 the next generation internet protocol. BUT we have EVERY REASON to worry because the adoption in Africa is extremely poor. What these means is that as the developed economies adopt IPv6, at time will come when they may opt to run IPv6 ONLY services and then African Users will begin to wonder why they are unable to access services (e.g. youtube, cnn.com, twitter etc) @ Wire, IPv4 depletion and assosciated challenges are as real as u and me. This is no Y2k hype - even though I trust that the Y2k hype did help stimulate some action that historians are left to judge whether that indeed is what saved the world ;-) walu. --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Ronald Kato <katoronald@gmail.com> wrote: From: Ronald Kato <katoronald@gmail.com> Subject: [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:44 PM Yes it it is true that IPv4 addresses are getting depleted so fast but steps are being taken to embrace IPv6 and this is through emerging technologies being able to support IPv6. Right from new new laptops and other network devices to new versions of applications and operating systems, they are all now built to support IPv6. It is up to the ISP,government and all relevant bodies to inform the public about the need to adopt IPv6. Many are still are still unaware about the existence of IPv6 let alone how it is used and assigned. Lastly, with IPv4 to IPv6 tunneling, we will have both addressing schemes able to communicate with one another. Ronald, you shouldn't worry as steps have already been taken to cover the IPv4 depletion. R Ronald On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Fred Bbaale <bbaale@gmail.com> wrote: James, Augment yr reasoning. It would be self defeating for you to just wish away the problem. Fred. On 12/5/10, James Wire <lunghabo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ronald
I consider that FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt). It is the same scare
tactics that were used by large IT corporates to make money when the
countdown to the year 2000 started in the last decade. Alot was blown
out of proportion and when the Y2k arrived, everything passed incident
free. I am sure Eng Elisha who has the head of the Ugandan Y2k task
force can agree with me on this.
Wire
On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 07:41 +0100, Ronald Wejuli wrote:
Hi Folks
ARIN has stated that Internet IP addresses are at critical levels. The
numbers are shockingly low and ARIN has stated that there is only
2.73% left out of the millions of IP addresses currently in use.
With so little IPv4 address space left in the global free pool, ARIN
continues to emphasize the need for all Internet stakeholders to adopt
the next generation of Internet Protocol, IPv6. However, with slow
IPv6 adoption rates amongst ISPs and private industries, we may run
into a serious problem next year if the remaining IP addresses are
depleted.
RW
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Walu, it is highly unlikely that we will see v6 only services anytime soon. There is no business case to run v6 only, since most folk will be dualstacked going forward. In any case, here in £frica, we will have a much longer time before our RIR exhaustion date due to our low v4 burn rate. Rgds, mctim On 12/5/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Am glad that Uganda has picked this up. Indeed the current IPv4 numbers are so depleted that estimates show that the last bunch (slash /8s of IPv4) numbers from IANA (or ICANN) will be distributed some time in Q1, 2011.
You can check this some of these Statistics on the AfriNIC or other sites below: http://www.afrinic.net/statistics http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/
@Ronald, Yes we have no reason to panic in as far as what to do next is concerned i.e. adopt IPv6 the next generation internet protocol. BUT we have EVERY REASON to worry because the adoption in Africa is extremely poor. What these means is that as the developed economies adopt IPv6, at time will come when they may opt to run IPv6 ONLY services and then African Users will begin to wonder why they are unable to access services (e.g. youtube, cnn.com, twitter etc)
@ Wire, IPv4 depletion and assosciated challenges are as real as u and me. This is no Y2k hype - even though I trust that the Y2k hype did help stimulate some action that historians are left to judge whether that indeed is what saved the world ;-)
walu.
--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Ronald Kato <katoronald@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ronald Kato <katoronald@gmail.com> Subject: [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:44 PM
Yes it it is true that IPv4 addresses are getting depleted so fast but steps are being taken to embrace IPv6 and this is through emerging technologies being able to support IPv6. Right from new new laptops and other network devices to new versions of applications and operating systems, they are all now built to support IPv6.
It is up to the ISP,government and all relevant bodies to inform the public about the need to adopt IPv6. Many are still are still unaware about the existence of IPv6 let alone how it is used and assigned.
Lastly, with IPv4 to IPv6 tunneling, we will have both addressing schemes able to communicate with one another.
Ronald, you shouldn't worry as steps have already been taken to cover the IPv4 depletion.
R Ronald
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Fred Bbaale <bbaale@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
Augment yr reasoning. It would be self defeating for you to just wish
away the problem.
Fred.
On 12/5/10, James Wire <lunghabo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ronald
I consider that FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt). It is the same scare
tactics that were used by large IT corporates to make money when the
countdown to the year 2000 started in the last decade. Alot was blown
out of proportion and when the Y2k arrived, everything passed incident
free. I am sure Eng Elisha who has the head of the Ugandan Y2k task
force can agree with me on this.
Wire
On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 07:41 +0100, Ronald Wejuli wrote:
Hi Folks
ARIN has stated that Internet IP addresses are at critical levels. The
numbers are shockingly low and ARIN has stated that there is only
2.73% left out of the millions of IP addresses currently in use.
With so little IPv4 address space left in the global free pool, ARIN
continues to emphasize the need for all Internet stakeholders to adopt
the next generation of Internet Protocol, IPv6. However, with slow
IPv6 adoption rates amongst ISPs and private industries, we may run
into a serious problem next year if the remaining IP addresses are
depleted.
RW
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McTim, True that we are unlikely to have IPv6 ONLY services soon. But it is also true that this could be the ONLY (business) reason to get African ISPs/Telcos to adopt IPv6 networks. The idea that one futuristic day, their customers will one day wake up and find that they cannot access some IPv6 only services hosted overseas... and then their customers will migrate to Telcos/ISPs that are IPv6 ready (i.e. can provide the access to IPv6 only services). In Africa we find ourselves in a retrogressive "benefit" in that our IPv4 uptake is so slow that it could take us another 10-15yrs to exhaust - meaning we can comfortably afford another 8-10years without actually being FORCED to use the new generation IPv6 networks. By that time, the rest of the world would have had 10+ solid years of IPv6 technology experience and we shall as usual be trying to play catchup... walu. --- On Sun, 12/5/10, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote: From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>, "KICTAnet KICTAnet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 5:58 PM Walu, it is highly unlikely that we will see v6 only services anytime soon. There is no business case to run v6 only, since most folk will be dualstacked going forward. In any case, here in £frica, we will have a much longer time before our RIR exhaustion date due to our low v4 burn rate. Rgds, mctim On 12/5/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Am glad that Uganda has picked this up. Indeed the current IPv4 numbers are so depleted that estimates show that the last bunch (slash /8s of IPv4) numbers from IANA (or ICANN) will be distributed some time in Q1, 2011.
You can check this some of these Statistics on the AfriNIC or other sites below: http://www.afrinic.net/statistics http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/
@Ronald, Yes we have no reason to panic in as far as what to do next is concerned i.e. adopt IPv6 the next generation internet protocol. BUT we have EVERY REASON to worry because the adoption in Africa is extremely poor. What these means is that as the developed economies adopt IPv6, at time will come when they may opt to run IPv6 ONLY services and then African Users will begin to wonder why they are unable to access services (e.g. youtube, cnn.com, twitter etc)
@ Wire, IPv4 depletion and assosciated challenges are as real as u and me. This is no Y2k hype - even though I trust that the Y2k hype did help stimulate some action that historians are left to judge whether that indeed is what saved the world ;-)
walu.
--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Ronald Kato <katoronald@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ronald Kato <katoronald@gmail.com> Subject: [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:44 PM
Yes it it is true that IPv4 addresses are getting depleted so fast but steps are being taken to embrace IPv6 and this is through emerging technologies being able to support IPv6. Right from new new laptops and other network devices to new versions of applications and operating systems, they are all now built to support IPv6.
It is up to the ISP,government and all relevant bodies to inform the public about the need to adopt IPv6. Many are still are still unaware about the existence of IPv6 let alone how it is used and assigned.
Lastly, with IPv4 to IPv6 tunneling, we will have both addressing schemes able to communicate with one another.
Ronald, you shouldn't worry as steps have already been taken to cover the IPv4 depletion.
R Ronald
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Fred Bbaale <bbaale@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
Augment yr reasoning. It would be self defeating for you to just wish
away the problem.
Fred.
On 12/5/10, James Wire <lunghabo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ronald
I consider that FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt). It is the same scare
tactics that were used by large IT corporates to make money when the
countdown to the year 2000 started in the last decade. Alot was blown
out of proportion and when the Y2k arrived, everything passed incident
free. I am sure Eng Elisha who has the head of the Ugandan Y2k task
force can agree with me on this.
Wire
On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 07:41 +0100, Ronald Wejuli wrote:
Hi Folks
ARIN has stated that Internet IP addresses are at critical levels. The
numbers are shockingly low and ARIN has stated that there is only
2.73% left out of the millions of IP addresses currently in use.
With so little IPv4 address space left in the global free pool, ARIN
continues to emphasize the need for all Internet stakeholders to adopt
the next generation of Internet Protocol, IPv6. However, with slow
IPv6 adoption rates amongst ISPs and private industries, we may run
into a serious problem next year if the remaining IP addresses are
depleted.
RW
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-- Sent from my mobile device Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Am glad that Uganda has picked this up. Indeed the current IPv4 numbers are so depleted that estimates show that the last bunch (slash /8s of IPv4) numbers from IANA (or ICANN) will be distributed some time in Q1, 2011.
You can check this some of these Statistics on the AfriNIC or other sites below: http://www.afrinic.net/statistics http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/
@Ronald, Yes we have no reason to panic in as far as what to do next is concerned i.e. adopt IPv6 the next generation internet protocol. BUT we have EVERY REASON to worry because the adoption in Africa is extremely poor. What
means is that as the developed economies adopt IPv6, at time will come when they may opt to run IPv6 ONLY services and then African Users will begin to wonder why they are unable to access services (e.g. youtube, cnn.com, twitter etc)
@ Wire, IPv4 depletion and assosciated challenges are as real as u and me. This is no Y2k hype - even though I trust that the Y2k hype did help stimulate some action that historians are left to judge whether that indeed is what saved the world ;-)
walu.
--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Ronald Kato <katoronald@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ronald Kato <katoronald@gmail.com> Subject: [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:44 PM
Yes it it is true that IPv4 addresses are getting depleted so fast but steps are being taken to embrace IPv6 and this is through emerging technologies being able to support IPv6. Right from new new laptops and other network devices to new versions of applications and operating systems, they are all now built to support IPv6.
It is up to the ISP,government and all relevant bodies to inform the
Quite true, Wals.., Telcos/ISPs still abit lethargic and have other priority areas at the moment. Perhaps this doesn't really quite seem an urgency as it should. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? McTim, True that we are unlikely to have IPv6 ONLY services soon. But it is also true that this could be the ONLY (business) reason to get African ISPs/Telcos to adopt IPv6 networks. The idea that one futuristic day, their customers will one day wake up and find that they cannot access some IPv6 only services hosted overseas... and then their customers will migrate to Telcos/ISPs that are IPv6 ready (i.e. can provide the access to IPv6 only services). In Africa we find ourselves in a retrogressive "benefit" in that our IPv4 uptake is so slow that it could take us another 10-15yrs to exhaust - meaning we can comfortably afford another 8-10years without actually being FORCED to use the new generation IPv6 networks. By that time, the rest of the world would have had 10+ solid years of IPv6 technology experience and we shall as usual be trying to play catchup... walu. --- On Sun, 12/5/10, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote: From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>, "KICTAnet KICTAnet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 5:58 PM Walu, it is highly unlikely that we will see v6 only services anytime soon. There is no business case to run v6 only, since most folk will be dualstacked going forward. In any case, here in £frica, we will have a much longer time before our RIR exhaustion date due to our low v4 burn rate. Rgds, mctim On 12/5/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: these public
about the need to adopt IPv6. Many are still are still unaware about the existence of IPv6 let alone how it is used and assigned.
Lastly, with IPv4 to IPv6 tunneling, we will have both addressing schemes able to communicate with one another.
Ronald, you shouldn't worry as steps have already been taken to cover the IPv4 depletion.
R Ronald
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Fred Bbaale <bbaale@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
Augment yr reasoning. It would be self defeating for you to just wish
away the problem.
Fred.
On 12/5/10, James Wire <lunghabo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ronald
I consider that FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt). It is the same scare
tactics that were used by large IT corporates to make money when the
countdown to the year 2000 started in the last decade. Alot was blown
out of proportion and when the Y2k arrived, everything passed incident
free. I am sure Eng Elisha who has the head of the Ugandan Y2k task
force can agree with me on this.
Wire
On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 07:41 +0100, Ronald Wejuli wrote:
Hi Folks
ARIN has stated that Internet IP addresses are at critical levels. The
numbers are shockingly low and ARIN has stated that there is only
2.73% left out of the millions of IP addresses currently in use.
With so little IPv4 address space left in the global free pool, ARIN
continues to emphasize the need for all Internet stakeholders to adopt
the next generation of Internet Protocol, IPv6. However, with slow
IPv6 adoption rates amongst ISPs and private industries, we may run
into a serious problem next year if the remaining IP addresses are
depleted.
RW
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-- Sent from my mobile device Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
I don't totally agree with this assertion. I have seen organizations put 10 public ip address on a server and web hosts dole out IPs like there is no tommorow. While IPV6 is a good thing, its not a silver bullet We can multihome, NAT, redirect etc etc. And when IPs really run out, free market economics will come into play (ISPs and hosts will ask for more money) and consumers will go economical :) My two cents On 12/7/10, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Quite true, Wals.., Telcos/ISPs still abit lethargic and have other priority areas at the moment. Perhaps this doesn't really quite seem an urgency as it should.
Harry
_____
From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:43 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out?
McTim,
True that we are unlikely to have IPv6 ONLY services soon. But it is also true that this could be the ONLY (business) reason to get African ISPs/Telcos to adopt IPv6 networks. The idea that one futuristic day, their customers will one day wake up and find that they cannot access some IPv6 only services hosted overseas... and then their customers will migrate to Telcos/ISPs that are IPv6 ready (i.e. can provide the access to IPv6 only services).
In Africa we find ourselves in a retrogressive "benefit" in that our IPv4 uptake is so slow that it could take us another 10-15yrs to exhaust - meaning we can comfortably afford another 8-10years without actually being FORCED to use the new generation IPv6 networks. By that time, the rest of the world would have had 10+ solid years of IPv6 technology experience and we shall as usual be trying to play catchup...
walu.
--- On Sun, 12/5/10, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>, "KICTAnet KICTAnet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 5:58 PM
Walu, it is highly unlikely that we will see v6 only services anytime soon. There is no business case to run v6 only, since most folk will be dualstacked going forward. In any case, here in £frica, we will have a much longer time before our RIR exhaustion date due to our low v4 burn rate. Rgds, mctim
Am glad that Uganda has picked this up. Indeed the current IPv4 numbers are so depleted that estimates show that the last bunch (slash /8s of IPv4) numbers from IANA (or ICANN) will be distributed some time in Q1, 2011.
You can check this some of these Statistics on the AfriNIC or other sites below: http://www.afrinic.net/statistics http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/
@Ronald, Yes we have no reason to panic in as far as what to do next is concerned i.e. adopt IPv6 the next generation internet protocol. BUT we have EVERY REASON to worry because the adoption in Africa is extremely poor. What
means is that as the developed economies adopt IPv6, at time will come when they may opt to run IPv6 ONLY services and then African Users will begin to wonder why they are unable to access services (e.g. youtube, cnn.com, twitter etc)
@ Wire, IPv4 depletion and assosciated challenges are as real as u and me. This is no Y2k hype - even though I trust that the Y2k hype did help stimulate some action that historians are left to judge whether that indeed is what saved the world ;-)
walu.
--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Ronald Kato <katoronald@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Ronald Kato <katoronald@gmail.com> Subject: [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? To: "I-Network Uganda" <i-network@dgroups.org> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:44 PM
Yes it it is true that IPv4 addresses are getting depleted so fast but steps are being taken to embrace IPv6 and this is through emerging technologies being able to support IPv6. Right from new new laptops and other network devices to new versions of applications and operating systems, they are all now built to support IPv6.
It is up to the ISP,government and all relevant bodies to inform the
On 12/5/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: these public
about the need to adopt IPv6. Many are still are still unaware about the existence of IPv6 let alone how it is used and assigned.
Lastly, with IPv4 to IPv6 tunneling, we will have both addressing schemes able to communicate with one another.
Ronald, you shouldn't worry as steps have already been taken to cover the IPv4 depletion.
R Ronald
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Fred Bbaale <bbaale@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
Augment yr reasoning. It would be self defeating for you to just wish
away the problem.
Fred.
On 12/5/10, James Wire <lunghabo@gmail.com> wrote:
Ronald
I consider that FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt). It is the same scare
tactics that were used by large IT corporates to make money when the
countdown to the year 2000 started in the last decade. Alot was blown
out of proportion and when the Y2k arrived, everything passed incident
free. I am sure Eng Elisha who has the head of the Ugandan Y2k task
force can agree with me on this.
Wire
On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 07:41 +0100, Ronald Wejuli wrote:
Hi Folks
ARIN has stated that Internet IP addresses are at critical levels. The
numbers are shockingly low and ARIN has stated that there is only
2.73% left out of the millions of IP addresses currently in use.
With so little IPv4 address space left in the global free pool, ARIN
continues to emphasize the need for all Internet stakeholders to adopt
the next generation of Internet Protocol, IPv6. However, with slow
IPv6 adoption rates amongst ISPs and private industries, we may run
into a serious problem next year if the remaining IP addresses are
depleted.
RW
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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
McTim,
True that we are unlikely to have IPv6 ONLY services soon. But it is also true that this could be the ONLY (business) reason to get African ISPs/Telcos to adopt IPv6 networks.
My crystal ball says we the Telcos will implement some godawful CGN instead of native v6.
The idea that one futuristic day, their customers will one day wake up and find that they cannot access some IPv6 only services hosted overseas... and then their customers will migrate to Telcos/ISPs that are IPv6 ready (i.e. can provide the access to IPv6 only services).
That's the theory. We haven't seen that in practice (yet).
In Africa we find ourselves in a retrogressive "benefit" in that our IPv4 uptake is so slow that it could take us another 10-15yrs to exhaust - meaning we can comfortably afford another 8-10years without actually being FORCED to use the new generation IPv6 networks. By that time, the rest of the world would have had 10+ solid years of IPv6 technology experience and we shall as usual be trying to play catchup...
Maybe. We do have v6 networks in Africa, we have the expertise (in some places). We have 10+ years of v6 experience already. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Just had a meeting with top officials of Verisign, hosts of more than 80 root servers. He says they will exhaust IPv4 in the next 6 months. The debate is whether they should acquire African IP addreses in some sort of secondary market while they migrate to IPV6. US is just beggining the implementation of v6. They foresee a crisis within the next six months not only with the addresses but the confusion in addressing. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:15:43 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet KICTAnet<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Bwana, On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:55 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Just had a meeting with top officials of Verisign, hosts of more than 80 root servers. He says they will exhaust IPv4 in the next 6 months. The debate is whether they should acquire African IP addreses in some sort of secondary market while they migrate to IPV6.
The people at Veri$ign didn't come to the most recent AfriNIC meeting, and therefore, don't realise that this is not possible according to the policy that found consensus at that meeting. Verisign could certainly set up a Local Internet Registry from AfriNIC, but they could only use those IPs in Africa (or to connectivity to Africa). <BN> US is just beggining the implementation of v6. They foresee a crisis within the next six months not only with the addresses but the confusion in addressing. Well, the USA as a government began long ago, but the gov't networks still are not fully v6 yet. Private networks lag behind in many cases. While not a "crisis", I would say there will definitely be some confusion, despite the many efforts of the Internet Technical Community over the last decade to do outreach on this issue. As they say in the USA, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" In other words, Many networks will not switch until they are forced to by a lack of IPv4 address availability (or the expense of same in a "secondary market"). -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Bwana PS, Glad you are hearing it from the source. There is indeed a huge possibility (theory again?) of a black market for IPv4 resources emerging as the depletion becomes a reality (over the next couple of months in developed economies). @McTim, True, AfriNIC is constrained by its policies NOT to dish out their IPv4 resources to markets outside Africa - BUT there exists some huge "legacy" IPv4 space/resources in Africa which I think can easily find themselves in this black market (that Verisign is speculating on). walu. --- On Wed, 12/8/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet KICTAnet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 4:55 PM Just had a meeting with top officials of Verisign, hosts of more than 80 root servers. He says they will exhaust IPv4 in the next 6 months. The debate is whether they should acquire African IP addreses in some sort of secondary market while they migrate to IPV6. US is just beggining the implementation of v6. They foresee a crisis within the next six months not only with the addresses but the confusion in addressing. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:15:43 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet KICTAnet<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [i-network] Internet IP Addresses running out? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jwalu@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bwana PS,
Glad you are hearing it from the source.
The source??? Veri$ign (as a single private corporation) has FAR too much influence in Internet governance as far as i am concerned Good thing they have nothing to do with the root of IP addresses, that is the IANA.
There is indeed a huge possibility (theory again?) of a black market for IPv4 resources emerging as the depletion becomes a reality (over the next couple of months in developed economies).
The RIR communities have worked very hard to make them "white" or "gray" markets.
@McTim,
True, AfriNIC is constrained by its policies NOT to dish out their IPv4 resources to markets outside Africa - BUT there exists some huge "legacy" IPv4 space/resources in Africa which I think can easily find themselves in this black market (that Verisign is speculating on).
The only HUGE v4 legacy block that was allocated to an African org was returned (with many thanks) to AfriNIC a few years ago by TENET. There are some Class B's held by African orgs, but these are middling size, and fairly few and far between. I only know one legacy holder in Africa that is hoping to monetise his legacy blocks of IP resources. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
All, Almost missed these so ignore if you already saw it... question, is it true there is no data on Kenya broadband? Paul another one for you to correct:-) ps. The real map is better on the BBC website... Broadband world: Connecting Africa By Jonathan Fildes Technology reporter, BBC News http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11863225 In 1998, just a handful of countries had extensive internet usage. Today, nearly two billion people have web access. Move the slider below to see how the cable network has spread and internet use has expanded. How the net connected the world BBC Click's Dan Simmons returns to Kenya to see how it has changed since the arrival of the cables http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11864350 CONNECTED AFRICA Analysis: Riding the digital express What is required to run different applications? Audio slideshow: Connecting Rwanda In pictures: Nairobi's digital divide "My aim is to put Kenya on the world map," says the quietly spoken software king of East Africa. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11880594 "Companies like Facebook, Yahoo and Google don't have to just come from the US - they can also come from Kenya."
Paul, There doesnt appear to be any data for any country for 2010 so I guess its too early to feel slighted:-) Lucy --- On Sun, 12/5/10, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> Subject: [kictanet] The Cables and more... To: lkimani@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet KICTAnet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 9:46 AM All, Almost missed these so ignore if you already saw it... question, is it true there is no data on Kenya broadband? Paul another one for you to correct:-) ps. The real map is better on the BBC website... Broadband world: Connecting Africa By Jonathan Fildes Technology reporter, BBC News http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11863225 In 1998, just a handful of countries had extensive internet usage. Today, nearly two billion people have web access. Move the slider below to see how the cable network has spread and internet use has expanded. How the net connected the world BBC Click's Dan Simmons returns to Kenya to see how it has changed since the arrival of the cables http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11864350 CONNECTED AFRICA Analysis: Riding the digital express What is required to run different applications? Audio slideshow: Connecting Rwanda In pictures: Nairobi's digital divide "My aim is to put Kenya on the world map," says the quietly spoken software king of East Africa. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11880594 "Companies like Facebook, Yahoo and Google don't have to just come from the US - they can also come from Kenya." -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: lkimani@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lkimani%40yahoo.com
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1 - IDC measures broadband connections as those with a speed of at least 256kbps (ideally it should be 512kbps). 2 - In Kenya, total broadband penetration (excluding mobile broadband which we presently do not count - but will from 2011) as of end 2009 stood at 0.15%. A really large chunk of this comprises business BB connections. 3 - Presently Mobile BB may not really ramp up the figures (at least not more than a quarter of a percentage point i.e. 0.25% ) much since; a) the devices (USB Modems/Smartphones) that allow speeds of >256kbps are not that many (and we will soon be tracking these as well), b) The present coverage of 3G also distorts the true measure of MOBILE broadband Rgds Francis On 5 December 2010 19:56, <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
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