Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
Regards, Gilda Odera Begin forwarded message:
From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Date: April 10, 2013 12:02:14 PM GMT+03:00 To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
Listers,
My recommendation is that this project should start from Form 1. Reasons:
1. We need to generate interest and start building that capacity base ASAP. Waiting for the standard ones to finish school is way too long. 2. Given the tight budgets the country is currently facing in implementing the constitution, it is wiser to work with less numbers yet still achieve the desired outcome as things settle down over the next five years. 3. Once successful in high schools, the project can be rolled to primary schools. By then, results of giving the high school students laptops will be evident and there should be sufficient budgets to roll both.
In my view, capacity building is urgent in the ICT industry and therefore this noble idea should prioritise those who are bound to start innovating and harnessing their skills- which really are high school students. My two cents.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Another reason why the laptop project is the future
http://pandodaily.com/2013/04/05/ten-websites-that-teach-coding-and-a-bunch-...
regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 8:40 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
@Yawe,
I was on travel (not to SA :-) but caught up with our two new Principals. Great speeches. But if there's someone already in the new Presidents kitchen cabinet plse pass the following news. Just drop the laptop business or at least modify it because of the following reasons.
1. Curriculum. Ok. So the kids have laptops next year. What to do with them? Play games, watch porn? In other words do we have an IT curriculum for these youngsters or we believe they will automatically become Bill Gates once we throw gadgets at them.?
2. IT Teachers. Assuming we cobble together some curriculum before next year. How soon can we get out primary teachers upto speed on the same? Do we have a ToT program in place. ToT= Training of Trainers for the non-academics.
3. Examinations. It is known that Kenyans learn ONLY when it is examinable. Indeed teachers make space in their timetables if they know the unit is examinable. Otherwise you can as well do your IT lessons at home as your hobby since the lesson will NOT be scheduled at the expense of say Mathematics which is examinable. So is the KNEC ready with this exam?
4. Security/Theft. If folks can still IEBC laptops from secure strongrooms, what about laptops hanging either in staffrooms or on standard 1 pupils? What about a poor parent who opts to trade in the laptop in favour of cash to use for other purposes? This is not far fetched since even the largely successful Wezesha Laptop initiative were University students got subsidized Laptops and quite a number sold them off at market price.
5. Maintenance\Disposal program. Usually laptops are rarely maintained. Just dump them after 3-4yrs. So we need to think efficient disposal mechanism for 1million+ gadgets across rural and urban Kenya. Worse still those Kids will now be in standard 4 and so our buget for laptops will double -both for Sdt1s and the Std4s.
But I have a simple solution for our new digital President. Just traget Form1s and perharps forget Laptops and adopt Networked PCs. The ecosytem described above is more mature to take on this great idea. Our Primary schools will just drain this initiative with little returns to the taxpayer.
walu.
------------------------------ On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 7:56 AM AST (Arabian) robert yawe wrote:
Hi,
I like the confirmation by the President - sworn and his deputy on the issue of laptops for class 1 students from next year, it is commendable and quite easily achievable but as ICT experts are laptops the ideal items or would low power touchscreen tablets be more practical and appropriate? However .com that the two principles are I suspect that they might not be up to speed on devices.
Here again for the umpteenth time the opportunity for us to become relevant presents itself, shall we take action or sit back to carry out a forensic analysis when only 80% of the students get the devices?
Regards
PS. A new dispensation, a new dedication and new vigor
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Gilda, Building the foundation bottom-up (class 1) is very important, can’t be under-rated. That will be creating a new digital generation from the “roots”. Sega Silicon Valley has tested this at Kogere primary school and surrounding schools and the impact is amazing. From bottom of the pile, Kogere school rose up to top 5 in the area and the kids are amazing – they self-learn and do fascinating stuff with computers! Edith From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: April 10, 2013 12:06 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Regards, Gilda Odera Begin forwarded message: From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke<mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke>> Date: April 10, 2013 12:02:14 PM GMT+03:00 To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Listers, My recommendation is that this project should start from Form 1. Reasons: 1. We need to generate interest and start building that capacity base ASAP. Waiting for the standard ones to finish school is way too long. 2. Given the tight budgets the country is currently facing in implementing the constitution, it is wiser to work with less numbers yet still achieve the desired outcome as things settle down over the next five years. 3. Once successful in high schools, the project can be rolled to primary schools. By then, results of giving the high school students laptops will be evident and there should be sufficient budgets to roll both. In my view, capacity building is urgent in the ICT industry and therefore this noble idea should prioritise those who are bound to start innovating and harnessing their skills- which really are high school students. My two cents. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote: Another reason why the laptop project is the future http://pandodaily.com/2013/04/05/ten-websites-that-teach-coding-and-a-bunch-... regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com<mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com>> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 8:40 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants @Yawe, I was on travel (not to SA :-) but caught up with our two new Principals. Great speeches. But if there's someone already in the new Presidents kitchen cabinet plse pass the following news. Just drop the laptop business or at least modify it because of the following reasons. 1. Curriculum. Ok. So the kids have laptops next year. What to do with them? Play games, watch porn? In other words do we have an IT curriculum for these youngsters or we believe they will automatically become Bill Gates once we throw gadgets at them.? 2. IT Teachers. Assuming we cobble together some curriculum before next year. How soon can we get out primary teachers upto speed on the same? Do we have a ToT program in place. ToT= Training of Trainers for the non-academics. 3. Examinations. It is known that Kenyans learn ONLY when it is examinable. Indeed teachers make space in their timetables if they know the unit is examinable. Otherwise you can as well do your IT lessons at home as your hobby since the lesson will NOT be scheduled at the expense of say Mathematics which is examinable. So is the KNEC ready with this exam? 4. Security/Theft. If folks can still IEBC laptops from secure strongrooms, what about laptops hanging either in staffrooms or on standard 1 pupils? What about a poor parent who opts to trade in the laptop in favour of cash to use for other purposes? This is not far fetched since even the largely successful Wezesha Laptop initiative were University students got subsidized Laptops and quite a number sold them off at market price. 5. Maintenance\Disposal program. Usually laptops are rarely maintained. Just dump them after 3-4yrs. So we need to think efficient disposal mechanism for 1million+ gadgets across rural and urban Kenya. Worse still those Kids will now be in standard 4 and so our buget for laptops will double -both for Sdt1s and the Std4s. But I have a simple solution for our new digital President. Just traget Form1s and perharps forget Laptops and adopt Networked PCs. The ecosytem described above is more mature to take on this great idea. Our Primary schools will just drain this initiative with little returns to the taxpayer. walu. ------------------------------ On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 7:56 AM AST (Arabian) robert yawe wrote:
Hi,
I like the confirmation by the President - sworn and his deputy on the issue of laptops for class 1 students from next year, it is commendable and quite easily achievable but as ICT experts are laptops the ideal items or would low power touchscreen tablets be more practical and appropriate? However .com that the two principles are I suspect that they might not be up to speed on devices.
Here again for the umpteenth time the opportunity for us to become relevant presents itself, shall we take action or sit back to carry out a forensic analysis when only 80% of the students get the devices?
Regards
PS. A new dispensation, a new dedication and new vigor
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Edith, I totally agree that this foundation must start from the bottom. HOWEVER how do we address the issue of capacity building and simultaneously ensure quick gains? We cannot ignore the high school students yet they are the ones who have only four years and are out of school. How can the issuance of laptops be structured to help encourage self employment so that by the time the high school students leave school they have ideas of self employment? I think this is paramount- we cannot ignore unemployment and the new government must look at how to use ICT to deal with this issue in whichever way. If it cannot be done next year because the standard ones were already promised and YES the promise must be kept, can the new government ensure that in the next financial budget the FORM 1 students are catered for? I know it can be done and it needs to be done. Gilda From: Edith Adera [mailto:eadera@idrc.ca] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:00 AM To: Gilda Odera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: RE: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Gilda, Building the foundation bottom-up (class 1) is very important, can’t be under-rated. That will be creating a new digital generation from the “roots”. Sega Silicon Valley has tested this at Kogere primary school and surrounding schools and the impact is amazing. From bottom of the pile, Kogere school rose up to top 5 in the area and the kids are amazing – they self-learn and do fascinating stuff with computers! Edith From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: April 10, 2013 12:06 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Regards, Gilda Odera Begin forwarded message: From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Date: April 10, 2013 12:02:14 PM GMT+03:00 To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Listers, My recommendation is that this project should start from Form 1. Reasons: 1. We need to generate interest and start building that capacity base ASAP. Waiting for the standard ones to finish school is way too long. 2. Given the tight budgets the country is currently facing in implementing the constitution, it is wiser to work with less numbers yet still achieve the desired outcome as things settle down over the next five years. 3. Once successful in high schools, the project can be rolled to primary schools. By then, results of giving the high school students laptops will be evident and there should be sufficient budgets to roll both. In my view, capacity building is urgent in the ICT industry and therefore this noble idea should prioritise those who are bound to start innovating and harnessing their skills- which really are high school students. My two cents. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Another reason why the laptop project is the future http://pandodaily.com/2013/04/05/ten-websites-that-teach-coding-and-a-bunch-... regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 8:40 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants @Yawe, I was on travel (not to SA :-) but caught up with our two new Principals. Great speeches. But if there's someone already in the new Presidents kitchen cabinet plse pass the following news. Just drop the laptop business or at least modify it because of the following reasons. 1. Curriculum. Ok. So the kids have laptops next year. What to do with them? Play games, watch porn? In other words do we have an IT curriculum for these youngsters or we believe they will automatically become Bill Gates once we throw gadgets at them.? 2. IT Teachers. Assuming we cobble together some curriculum before next year. How soon can we get out primary teachers upto speed on the same? Do we have a ToT program in place. ToT= Training of Trainers for the non-academics. 3. Examinations. It is known that Kenyans learn ONLY when it is examinable. Indeed teachers make space in their timetables if they know the unit is examinable. Otherwise you can as well do your IT lessons at home as your hobby since the lesson will NOT be scheduled at the expense of say Mathematics which is examinable. So is the KNEC ready with this exam? 4. Security/Theft. If folks can still IEBC laptops from secure strongrooms, what about laptops hanging either in staffrooms or on standard 1 pupils? What about a poor parent who opts to trade in the laptop in favour of cash to use for other purposes? This is not far fetched since even the largely successful Wezesha Laptop initiative were University students got subsidized Laptops and quite a number sold them off at market price. 5. Maintenance\Disposal program. Usually laptops are rarely maintained. Just dump them after 3-4yrs. So we need to think efficient disposal mechanism for 1million+ gadgets across rural and urban Kenya. Worse still those Kids will now be in standard 4 and so our buget for laptops will double -both for Sdt1s and the Std4s. But I have a simple solution for our new digital President. Just traget Form1s and perharps forget Laptops and adopt Networked PCs. The ecosytem described above is more mature to take on this great idea. Our Primary schools will just drain this initiative with little returns to the taxpayer. walu. ------------------------------ On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 7:56 AM AST (Arabian) robert yawe wrote:
Hi,
I like the confirmation by the President - sworn and his deputy on the issue of laptops for class 1 students from next year, it is commendable and quite easily achievable but as ICT experts are laptops the ideal items or would low power touchscreen tablets be more practical and appropriate? However .com that the two principles are I suspect that they might not be up to speed on devices.
Here again for the umpteenth time the opportunity for us to become relevant presents itself, shall we take action or sit back to carry out a forensic analysis when only 80% of the students get the devices?
Regards
PS. A new dispensation, a new dedication and new vigor
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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@Edith, Details on this initiative please Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 23:59 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Gilda, Building the foundation bottom-up (class 1) is very important, can’t be under-rated. That will be creating a new digital generation from the “roots”. Sega Silicon Valley has tested this at Kogere primary school and surrounding schools and the impact is amazing. From bottom of the pile, Kogere school rose up to top 5 in the area and the kids are amazing – they self-learn and do fascinating stuff with computers! Edith From:kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: April 10, 2013 12:06 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Regards, Gilda Odera Begin forwarded message: From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke>
Date: April 10, 2013 12:02:14 PM GMT+03:00 To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Listers, My recommendation is that this project should start from Form 1. Reasons: 1. We need to generate interest and start building that capacity base ASAP. Waiting for the standard ones to finish school is way too long. 2. Given the tight budgets the country is currently facing in implementing the constitution, it is wiser to work with less numbers yet still achieve the desired outcome as things settle down over the next five years. 3. Once successful in high schools, the project can be rolled to primary schools. By then, results of giving the high school students laptops will be evident and there should be sufficient budgets to roll both. In my view, capacity building is urgent in the ICT industry and therefore this noble idea should prioritise those who are bound to start innovating and harnessing their skills- which really are high school students. My two cents.
Regards, Gilda Odera
On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Another reason why the laptop project is the future
http://pandodaily.com/2013/04/05/ten-websites-that-teach-coding-and-a-bunch-...
regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________
From:Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 8:40 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
@Yawe,
I was on travel (not to SA :-) but caught up with our two new Principals. Great speeches. But if there's someone already in the new Presidents kitchen cabinet plse pass the following news. Just drop the laptop business or at least modify it because of the
following reasons.
1. Curriculum. Ok. So the kids have laptops next year. What to do with them? Play games, watch porn? In other words do we have an IT curriculum for these youngsters or we believe they will automatically become Bill Gates once we throw gadgets at them.?
2. IT Teachers. Assuming we cobble together some curriculum before next year. How soon can we get out primary teachers upto speed on the same? Do we have a ToT program in place. ToT= Training of Trainers for the non-academics.
3. Examinations. It is known that Kenyans learn ONLY when it is examinable. Indeed teachers make space in their timetables if they know the unit is examinable. Otherwise you can as well do your IT lessons at home as your hobby since the lesson will NOT be scheduled at the expense
of say Mathematics which is examinable. So is the KNEC ready with this exam?
4. Security/Theft. If folks can still IEBC laptops from secure strongrooms, what about laptops hanging either in staffrooms or on standard 1 pupils? What about a poor parent who opts to trade in the laptop in favour of cash to use for other purposes? This is not far fetched
since even the largely successful Wezesha Laptop initiative were University students got subsidized Laptops and quite a number sold them off at market price.
5. Maintenance\Disposal program. Usually laptops are rarely maintained. Just dump them after 3-4yrs. So we need to think efficient disposal mechanism for 1million+ gadgets across rural and urban Kenya. Worse still those Kids will now be in standard 4 and so our buget for laptops will double
-both for Sdt1s and the Std4s.
But I have a simple solution for our new digital President. Just traget Form1s and perharps forget Laptops and adopt Networked PCs. The ecosytem described above is more mature to take on this great idea. Our Primary schools will just drain this initiative with little returns to the taxpayer.
walu.
------------------------------ On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 7:56 AM AST (Arabian) robert yawe wrote:
Hi,
I like the confirmation by the President - sworn and his deputy on the issue of laptops for class 1 students from next year, it is commendable and quite easily achievable but as ICT experts are laptops the ideal items or would low power touchscreen tablets
be more practical and appropriate? However .com that the two principles are I suspect that they might not be up to speed on devices.
Here again for the umpteenth time the opportunity for us to become relevant presents itself, shall we take action or sit back to carry out a forensic analysis when only 80% of the students get the devices?
Regards
PS. A new dispensation, a new dedication and new vigor
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi listers, Is it possible for us to draft a proposal to the government on how we feel the initiative should be implemented and then arrange to have it presented to the President, great opportunity to become relevant? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 17:12 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants @Edith, Details on this initiative please Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 23:59 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Gilda, Building the foundation bottom-up (class 1) is very important, can’t be under-rated. That will be creating a new digital generation from the “roots”. Sega Silicon Valley has tested this at Kogere primary school and surrounding schools and the impact is amazing. From bottom of the pile, Kogere school rose up to top 5 in the area and the kids are amazing – they self-learn and do fascinating stuff with computers! Edith From:kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: April 10, 2013 12:06 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Regards, Gilda Odera Begin forwarded message: From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke>
Date: April 10, 2013 12:02:14 PM GMT+03:00 To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Listers, My recommendation is that this project should start from Form 1. Reasons: 1. We need to generate interest and start building that capacity base ASAP. Waiting for the standard ones to finish school is way too long. 2. Given the tight budgets the country is currently facing in implementing the constitution, it is wiser to work with less numbers yet still achieve the desired outcome as things settle down over the next five years. 3. Once successful in high schools, the project can be rolled to primary schools. By then, results of giving the high school students laptops will be evident and there should be sufficient budgets to roll both. In my view, capacity building is urgent in the ICT industry and therefore this noble idea should prioritise those who are bound to start innovating and harnessing their skills- which really are high school students. My two cents.
Regards, Gilda Odera
On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Another reason why the laptop project is the future
http://pandodaily.com/2013/04/05/ten-websites-that-teach-coding-and-a-bunch-...
regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________
From:Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 8:40 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
@Yawe,
I was on travel (not to SA :-) but caught up with our two new Principals. Great speeches. But if there's someone already in the new Presidents kitchen cabinet plse pass the following news. Just drop the laptop business or at least modify it because of the
following reasons.
1. Curriculum. Ok. So the kids have laptops next year. What to do with them? Play games, watch porn? In other words do we have an IT curriculum for these youngsters or we believe they will automatically become Bill Gates once we throw gadgets at them.?
2. IT Teachers. Assuming we cobble together some curriculum before next year. How soon can we get out primary teachers upto speed on the same? Do we have a ToT program in place. ToT= Training of Trainers for the non-academics.
3. Examinations. It is known that Kenyans learn ONLY when it is examinable. Indeed teachers make space in their timetables if they know the unit is examinable. Otherwise you can as well do your IT lessons at home as your hobby since the lesson will NOT be scheduled at the expense
of say Mathematics which is examinable. So is the KNEC ready with this exam?
4. Security/Theft. If folks can still IEBC laptops from secure strongrooms, what about laptops hanging either in staffrooms or on standard 1 pupils? What about a poor parent who opts to trade in the laptop in favour of cash to use for other purposes? This is not far fetched
since even the largely successful Wezesha Laptop initiative were University students got subsidized Laptops and quite a number sold them off at market price.
5. Maintenance\Disposal program. Usually laptops are rarely maintained. Just dump them after 3-4yrs. So we need to think efficient disposal mechanism for 1million+ gadgets across rural and urban Kenya. Worse still those Kids will now be in standard 4 and so our buget for laptops will double
-both for Sdt1s and the Std4s.
But I have a simple solution for our new digital President. Just traget Form1s and perharps forget Laptops and adopt Networked PCs. The ecosytem described above is more mature to take on this great idea. Our Primary schools will just drain this initiative with little returns to the taxpayer.
walu.
------------------------------ On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 7:56 AM AST (Arabian) robert yawe wrote:
Hi,
I like the confirmation by the President - sworn and his deputy on the issue of laptops for class 1 students from next year, it is commendable and quite easily achievable but as ICT experts are laptops the ideal items or would low power touchscreen tablets
be more practical and appropriate? However .com that the two principles are I suspect that they might not be up to speed on devices.
Here again for the umpteenth time the opportunity for us to become relevant presents itself, shall we take action or sit back to carry out a forensic analysis when only 80% of the students get the devices?
Regards
PS. A new dispensation, a new dedication and new vigor
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Brilliant idea Robert. The issue I see is under what organisation/association should we do this under? Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 773/713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:07 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi listers,
Is it possible for us to draft a proposal to the government on how we feel the initiative should be implemented and then arrange to have it presented to the President, great opportunity to become relevant?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 17:12 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
@Edith, Details on this initiative please
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 23:59 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
Gilda,
Building the foundation bottom-up (class 1) is very important, can’t be under-rated. That will be creating a new digital generation from the “roots”. Sega Silicon Valley has tested this at Kogere primary school and surrounding schools and the impact is amazing. From bottom of the pile, Kogere school rose up to top 5 in the area and the kids are amazing – they self-learn and do fascinating stuff with computers!
Edith
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: April 10, 2013 12:06 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
Regards,
Gilda Odera
Begin forwarded message: From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Date: April 10, 2013 12:02:14 PM GMT+03:00 To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Listers,
My recommendation is that this project should start from Form 1. Reasons:
1. We need to generate interest and start building that capacity base ASAP. Waiting for the standard ones to finish school is way too long. 2. Given the tight budgets the country is currently facing in implementing the constitution, it is wiser to work with less numbers yet still achieve the desired outcome as things settle down over the next five years. 3. Once successful in high schools, the project can be rolled to primary schools. By then, results of giving the high school students laptops will be evident and there should be sufficient budgets to roll both.
In my view, capacity building is urgent in the ICT industry and therefore this noble idea should prioritise those who are bound to start innovating and harnessing their skills- which really are high school students. My two cents.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Another reason why the laptop project is the future
http://pandodaily.com/2013/04/05/ten-websites-that-teach-coding-and-a-bunch-...
regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 8:40 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
@Yawe,
I was on travel (not to SA :-) but caught up with our two new Principals. Great speeches. But if there's someone already in the new Presidents kitchen cabinet plse pass the following news. Just drop the laptop business or at least modify it because of the following reasons.
1. Curriculum. Ok. So the kids have laptops next year. What to do with them? Play games, watch porn? In other words do we have an IT curriculum for these youngsters or we believe they will automatically become Bill Gates once we throw gadgets at them.?
2. IT Teachers. Assuming we cobble together some curriculum before next year. How soon can we get out primary teachers upto speed on the same? Do we have a ToT program in place. ToT= Training of Trainers for the non-academics.
3. Examinations. It is known that Kenyans learn ONLY when it is examinable. Indeed teachers make space in their timetables if they know the unit is examinable. Otherwise you can as well do your IT lessons at home as your hobby since the lesson will NOT be scheduled at the expense of say Mathematics which is examinable. So is the KNEC ready with this exam?
4. Security/Theft. If folks can still IEBC laptops from secure strongrooms, what about laptops hanging either in staffrooms or on standard 1 pupils? What about a poor parent who opts to trade in the laptop in favour of cash to use for other purposes? This is not far fetched since even the largely successful Wezesha Laptop initiative were University students got subsidized Laptops and quite a number sold them off at market price.
5. Maintenance\Disposal program. Usually laptops are rarely maintained. Just dump them after 3-4yrs. So we need to think efficient disposal mechanism for 1million+ gadgets across rural and urban Kenya. Worse still those Kids will now be in standard 4 and so our buget for laptops will double -both for Sdt1s and the Std4s.
But I have a simple solution for our new digital President. Just traget Form1s and perharps forget Laptops and adopt Networked PCs. The ecosytem described above is more mature to take on this great idea. Our Primary schools will just drain this initiative with little returns to the taxpayer.
walu.
------------------------------ On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 7:56 AM AST (Arabian) robert yawe wrote:
Hi,
I like the confirmation by the President - sworn and his deputy on the issue of laptops for class 1 students from next year, it is commendable and quite easily achievable but as ICT experts are laptops the ideal items or would low power touchscreen tablets be more practical and appropriate? However .com that the two principles are I suspect that they might not be up to speed on devices.
Here again for the umpteenth time the opportunity for us to become relevant presents itself, shall we take action or sit back to carry out a forensic analysis when only 80% of the students get the devices?
Regards
PS. A new dispensation, a new dedication and new vigor
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi Ali, Very good ideas. We can do this under KITOS (Kenya IT and Outsourcing Services) a body formed last year to help companies in BPO, Software, System integration have one voice for marketing, public private partnerships. Tejpal Bedi Chaiman KITOS On 12 April 2013 12:35, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Brilliant idea Robert.
The issue I see is under what organisation/association should we do this under?
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 773/713 601113
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:07 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi listers,
Is it possible for us to draft a proposal to the government on how we feel the initiative should be implemented and then arrange to have it presented to the President, great opportunity to become relevant?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 11 April 2013, 17:12 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
@Edith, Details on this initiative please
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 23:59 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
Gilda,
Building the foundation bottom-up (class 1) is very important, can’t be under-rated. That will be creating a new digital generation from the “roots”. Sega Silicon Valley has tested this at Kogere primary school and surrounding schools and the impact is amazing. From bottom of the pile, Kogere school rose up to top 5 in the area and the kids are amazing – they self-learn and do fascinating stuff with computers!
Edith
*From:* kictanet [ mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Gilda Odera *Sent:* April 10, 2013 12:06 PM *To:* Edith Adera *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
Regards,
Gilda Odera
Begin forwarded message:
*From:* Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> *Date:* April 10, 2013 12:02:14 PM GMT+03:00 *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Subject:* *Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants*
Listers,
My recommendation is that this project should start from Form 1. Reasons:
1. We need to generate interest and start building that capacity base ASAP. Waiting for the standard ones to finish school is way too long. 2. Given the tight budgets the country is currently facing in implementing the constitution, it is wiser to work with less numbers yet still achieve the desired outcome as things settle down over the next five years. 3. Once successful in high schools, the project can be rolled to primary schools. By then, results of giving the high school students laptops will be evident and there should be sufficient budgets to roll both.
In my view, capacity building is urgent in the ICT industry and therefore this noble idea should prioritise those who are bound to start innovating and harnessing their skills- which really are high school students. My two cents.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Another reason why the laptop project is the future
http://pandodaily.com/2013/04/05/ten-websites-that-teach-coding-and-a-bunch-...
regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 8:40 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
@Yawe,
I was on travel (not to SA :-) but caught up with our two new Principals. Great speeches. But if there's someone already in the new Presidents kitchen cabinet plse pass the following news. Just drop the laptop business or at least modify it because of the following reasons.
1. Curriculum. Ok. So the kids have laptops next year. What to do with them? Play games, watch porn? In other words do we have an IT curriculum for these youngsters or we believe they will automatically become Bill Gates once we throw gadgets at them.?
2. IT Teachers. Assuming we cobble together some curriculum before next year. How soon can we get out primary teachers upto speed on the same? Do we have a ToT program in place. ToT= Training of Trainers for the non-academics.
3. Examinations. It is known that Kenyans learn ONLY when it is examinable. Indeed teachers make space in their timetables if they know the unit is examinable. Otherwise you can as well do your IT lessons at home as your hobby since the lesson will NOT be scheduled at the expense of say Mathematics which is examinable. So is the KNEC ready with this exam?
4. Security/Theft. If folks can still IEBC laptops from secure strongrooms, what about laptops hanging either in staffrooms or on standard 1 pupils? What about a poor parent who opts to trade in the laptop in favour of cash to use for other purposes? This is not far fetched since even the largely successful Wezesha Laptop initiative were University students got subsidized Laptops and quite a number sold them off at market price.
5. Maintenance\Disposal program. Usually laptops are rarely maintained. Just dump them after 3-4yrs. So we need to think efficient disposal mechanism for 1million+ gadgets across rural and urban Kenya. Worse still those Kids will now be in standard 4 and so our buget for laptops will double -both for Sdt1s and the Std4s.
But I have a simple solution for our new digital President. Just traget Form1s and perharps forget Laptops and adopt Networked PCs. The ecosytem described above is more mature to take on this great idea. Our Primary schools will just drain this initiative with little returns to the taxpayer.
walu.
------------------------------ On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 7:56 AM AST (Arabian) robert yawe wrote:
Hi,
I like the confirmation by the President - sworn and his deputy on the issue of laptops for class 1 students from next year, it is commendable and quite easily achievable but as ICT experts are laptops the ideal items or would low power touchscreen tablets be more practical and appropriate? However .com that the two principles are I suspect that they might not be up to speed on devices.
Here again for the umpteenth time the opportunity for us to become relevant presents itself, shall we take action or sit back to carry out a forensic analysis when only 80% of the students get the devices?
Regards
PS. A new dispensation, a new dedication and new vigor
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Kenya ICT Federation Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 12:35 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Brilliant idea Robert. The issue I see is under what organisation/association should we do this under? Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 773/713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:07 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi listers,
Is it possible for us to draft a proposal to the government on how we feel the initiative should be implemented and then arrange to have it presented to the President, great opportunity to become relevant?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 17:12 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
@Edith, Details on this initiative please
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 23:59 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
Gilda, Building the foundation bottom-up (class 1) is very important, can’t be under-rated. That will be creating a new digital generation from the “roots”. Sega Silicon Valley has tested this at Kogere primary school and surrounding schools and the impact is amazing. From bottom of the pile, Kogere school rose up to top 5 in the area and the kids are amazing – they self-learn and do fascinating stuff with computers! Edith From:kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: April 10, 2013 12:06 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
Regards, Gilda Odera
Begin forwarded message: From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke>
Date: April 10, 2013 12:02:14 PM GMT+03:00 To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Listers, My recommendation is that this project should start from Form 1. Reasons: 1. We need to generate interest and start building that capacity base ASAP. Waiting for the standard ones to finish school is way too long. 2. Given the tight budgets the country is currently facing in implementing the constitution, it is wiser to work with less numbers yet still achieve the desired outcome as things settle down over the next five years. 3. Once successful in high schools, the project can be rolled to primary schools. By then, results of giving the high school students laptops will be evident and there should be sufficient budgets to roll both. In my view, capacity building is urgent in the ICT industry and therefore this noble idea should prioritise those who are bound to start innovating and harnessing their skills- which really are high school students. My two cents.
Regards, Gilda Odera
On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Another reason why the laptop project is the future
http://pandodaily.com/2013/04/05/ten-websites-that-teach-coding-and-a-bunch-...
regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________
From:Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 8:40 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
@Yawe,
I was on travel (not to SA :-) but caught up with our two new Principals. Great speeches. But if there's someone already in the new Presidents kitchen cabinet plse pass the following news. Just drop the laptop business or at least modify it because of the
following reasons.
1. Curriculum. Ok. So the kids have laptops next year. What to do with them? Play games, watch porn? In other words do we have an IT curriculum for these youngsters or we believe they will automatically become Bill Gates once we throw gadgets at them.?
2. IT Teachers. Assuming we cobble together some curriculum before next year. How soon can we get out primary teachers upto speed on the same? Do we have a ToT program in place. ToT= Training of Trainers for the non-academics.
3. Examinations. It is known that Kenyans learn ONLY when it is examinable. Indeed teachers make space in their timetables if they know the unit is examinable. Otherwise you can as well do your IT lessons at home as your hobby since the lesson will NOT be scheduled at the expense
of say Mathematics which is examinable. So is the KNEC ready with this exam?
4. Security/Theft. If folks can still IEBC laptops from secure strongrooms, what about laptops hanging either in staffrooms or on standard 1 pupils? What about a poor parent who opts to trade in the laptop in favour of cash to use for other purposes? This is not far fetched
since even the largely successful Wezesha Laptop initiative were University students got subsidized Laptops and quite a number sold them off at market price.
5. Maintenance\Disposal program. Usually laptops are rarely maintained. Just dump them after 3-4yrs. So we need to think efficient disposal mechanism for 1million+ gadgets across rural and urban Kenya. Worse still those Kids will now be in standard 4 and so our buget for laptops will double
-both for Sdt1s and the Std4s.
But I have a simple solution for our new digital President. Just traget Form1s and perharps forget Laptops and adopt Networked PCs. The ecosytem described above is more mature to take on this great idea. Our Primary schools will just drain this initiative with little returns to the taxpayer.
walu.
------------------------------ On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 7:56 AM AST (Arabian) robert yawe wrote:
Hi,
I like the confirmation by the President - sworn and his deputy on the issue of laptops for class 1 students from next year, it is commendable and quite easily achievable but as ICT experts are laptops the ideal items or would low power touchscreen tablets
be more practical and appropriate? However .com that the two principles are I suspect that they might not be up to speed on devices.
Here again for the umpteenth time the opportunity for us to become relevant presents itself, shall we take action or sit back to carry out a forensic analysis when only 80% of the students get the devices?
Regards
PS. A new dispensation, a new dedication and new vigor
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Robert/Tejpal My point exactly...may I add Computer Society of Kenya? Drake? At the risk of sounding like a broken LP (those of you who are over 40 may remember that word) :) there really isn't one Industry Body that can say they speak for all the industry in one voice.. How can we serve the industry with one voice? Marketers have The Marketing Society of Kenya (MSK) PR Professionals have the Public Relations Society of Kenya (PRSK) Lawyers have Law Society of Kenya (LSK) And the list goes on.. Which one of these do we accept/adopt and then strengthen?? Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 773/713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:22 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Kenya ICT Federation
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 12:35 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
Brilliant idea Robert.
The issue I see is under what organisation/association should we do this under?
Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd
+254 773/713 601113
"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb
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On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:07 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi listers,
Is it possible for us to draft a proposal to the government on how we feel the initiative should be implemented and then arrange to have it presented to the President, great opportunity to become relevant?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 17:12 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
@Edith, Details on this initiative please
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 23:59 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
Gilda,
Building the foundation bottom-up (class 1) is very important, can’t be under-rated. That will be creating a new digital generation from the “roots”. Sega Silicon Valley has tested this at Kogere primary school and surrounding schools and the impact is amazing. From bottom of the pile, Kogere school rose up to top 5 in the area and the kids are amazing – they self-learn and do fascinating stuff with computers!
Edith
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: April 10, 2013 12:06 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
Regards,
Gilda Odera
Begin forwarded message: From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Date: April 10, 2013 12:02:14 PM GMT+03:00 To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Listers,
My recommendation is that this project should start from Form 1. Reasons:
1. We need to generate interest and start building that capacity base ASAP. Waiting for the standard ones to finish school is way too long. 2. Given the tight budgets the country is currently facing in implementing the constitution, it is wiser to work with less numbers yet still achieve the desired outcome as things settle down over the next five years. 3. Once successful in high schools, the project can be rolled to primary schools. By then, results of giving the high school students laptops will be evident and there should be sufficient budgets to roll both.
In my view, capacity building is urgent in the ICT industry and therefore this noble idea should prioritise those who are bound to start innovating and harnessing their skills- which really are high school students. My two cents.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Another reason why the laptop project is the future
http://pandodaily.com/2013/04/05/ten-websites-that-teach-coding-and-a-bunch-...
regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 8:40 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants
@Yawe,
I was on travel (not to SA :-) but caught up with our two new Principals. Great speeches. But if there's someone already in the new Presidents kitchen cabinet plse pass the following news. Just drop the laptop business or at least modify it because of the following reasons.
1. Curriculum. Ok. So the kids have laptops next year. What to do with them? Play games, watch porn? In other words do we have an IT curriculum for these youngsters or we believe they will automatically become Bill Gates once we throw gadgets at them.?
2. IT Tea
Hallo Ali, Good questions and food for thought. We probably will compromise on a steering committee that encampasses all but it helps to give the how some thought. kind regards Fiona Asonga Chief Executive Officer Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet Exchange Point Co-ordinator of Membership and Communication of the Africa Computer Emergency Response Team NRO Number Council http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html ASO Address Council http://aso.icann.org/ac/ 14 th Floor, Bruce House Standard Street Tel: +254 20 2245 036 Cell: +254 721 713 504 Website: www.tespok.or.ke “Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction within the Industry and Government” ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ali Hussein" <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: tespok@tespok.co.ke Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:14:57 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Robert/Tejpal My point exactly...may I add Computer Society of Kenya? Drake? At the risk of sounding like a broken LP (those of you who are over 40 may remember that word) :) there really isn't one Industry Body that can say they speak for all the industry in one voice.. How can we serve the industry with one voice? Marketers have The Marketing Society of Kenya (MSK) PR Professionals have the Public Relations Society of Kenya (PRSK) Lawyers have Law Society of Kenya (LSK) And the list goes on.. Which one of these do we accept/adopt and then strengthen?? Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 773/713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Apr 12, 2013, at 4:22 PM, robert yawe < robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk > wrote: Kenya ICT Federation Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Ali Hussein < ali@hussein.me.ke > To: robert yawe < robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > Sent: Friday, 12 April 2013, 12:35 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Brilliant idea Robert. The issue I see is under what organisation/association should we do this under? Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 773/713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:07 PM, robert yawe < robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk > wrote: Hi listers, Is it possible for us to draft a proposal to the government on how we feel the initiative should be implemented and then arrange to have it presented to the President, great opportunity to become relevant? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: robert yawe < robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk > To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013, 17:12 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants @Edith , Details on this initiative please Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Edith Adera < eadera@idrc.ca > To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 23:59 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Gilda, Building the foundation bottom-up (class 1) is very important, can’t be under-rated. That will be creating a new digital generation from the “roots”. Sega Silicon Valley has tested this at Kogere primary school and surrounding schools and the impact is amazing. From bottom of the pile, Kogere school rose up to top 5 in the area and the kids are amazing – they self-learn and do fascinating stuff with computers! Edith From: kictanet [ mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke ] On Behalf Of Gilda Odera Sent: April 10, 2013 12:06 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Regards, Gilda Odera Begin forwarded message: From: Gilda Odera < godera@skyweb.co.ke > Date: April 10, 2013 12:02:14 PM GMT+03:00 To: robert yawe < robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants Listers, My recommendation is that this project should start from Form 1. Reasons: 1. We need to generate interest and start building that capacity base ASAP. Waiting for the standard ones to finish school is way too long. 2. Given the tight budgets the country is currently facing in implementing the constitution, it is wiser to work with less numbers yet still achieve the desired outcome as things settle down over the next five years. 3. Once successful in high schools, the project can be rolled to primary schools. By then, results of giving the high school students laptops will be evident and there should be sufficient budgets to roll both. In my view, capacity building is urgent in the ICT industry and therefore this noble idea should prioritise those who are bound to start innovating and harnessing their skills- which really are high school students. My two cents. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, robert yawe < robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk > wrote: Another reason why the laptop project is the future http://pandodaily.com/2013/04/05/ten-websites-that-teach-coding-and-a-bunch-... regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Walubengo J < jwalu@yahoo.com > To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 8:40 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants @Yawe, I was on travel (not to SA :-) but caught up with our two new Principals. Great speeches. But if there's someone already in the new Presidents kitchen cabinet plse pass the following news. Just drop the laptop business or at least modify it because of the following reasons. 1. Curriculum. Ok. So the kids have laptops next year. What to do with them? Play games, watch porn? In other words do we have an IT curriculum for these youngsters or we believe they will automatically become Bill Gates once we throw gadgets at them.? 2. IT Tea _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/tespok%40tespok.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hi, I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university. I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu... You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma" http://youtu.be/9b4BJ7iTOfA Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________
Personal experience: I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe. A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed. Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa. When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history. If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case! With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself. Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better. Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J Kind Regards, Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer Bernsoft Interactive Limited P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya Office: +254-703-080-080 Mobile: +254-722-540-883 From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears Hi, I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university. I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma" http://youtu.be/9b4BJ7iTOfA Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____
Bernard, Please watch these two clips. http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud.html http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html The current pedagogy is under threat. It is time for a paradigm shift in education. Ndemo.
Personal experience:
I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe.
A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed.
Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa.
When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history.
If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case!
With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself.
Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better.
Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-080
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Hi,
I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university.
I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma"
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Thank You Dr. Ndemo. It seems the trend even in high education where anybody can get a Havard or MIT course at no cost through the web. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/opinion/sunday/grading-the-mooc-university.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130421&_r=1&pagewanted=all& On 22 April 2013 14:57, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Bernard, Please watch these two clips.
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html
The current pedagogy is under threat. It is time for a paradigm shift in education.
Ndemo.
Personal experience:
I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe.
A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed.
Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa.
When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history.
If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case!
With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself.
Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better.
Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-080
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Hi,
I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university.
I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu
stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma"
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Can these guys put this money on collapsed companies like kikomi and miwani and others 4b can do alot. Sent from my iKamire network. On Apr 22, 2013, at 14:57, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Bernard, Please watch these two clips. http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud.html http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html The current pedagogy is under threat. It is time for a paradigm shift in education. Ndemo.
Personal experience:
I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe.
A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed.
Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa.
When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history.
If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case!
With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself.
Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better.
Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-080
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Hi,
I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university.
I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma"
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Thomas I am sorry but you are missing the point. What business does the government have to revive moribund and dead companies? That should be left to the market. Government interventions should be confined to sectors/areas where the competitiveness of the country is at risk. Long term BHAGs (Big Hairy Audacious Goals) that will eventually move the country to a level where industries can effectively compete with others globally through skilled human capital, first class infrastructure (roads, broadband etc), an enabling regulatory environment and a reasonable safety net for society. Regards Ali Hussein *Ali Hussein* *CEO, 3mice interactive media ltd* *Partner, Telemedia Africa Ltd * Tel: +254713601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Thomas Kamire <tkamire@gmail.com> wrote:
Can these guys put this money on collapsed companies like kikomi and miwani and others 4b can do alot.
Sent from my iKamire network.
On Apr 22, 2013, at 14:57, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Bernard, Please watch these two clips.
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html
The current pedagogy is under threat. It is time for a paradigm shift in education.
Ndemo.
Personal experience:
I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe.
A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed.
Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa.
When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history.
If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case!
With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself.
Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better.
Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-080
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Hi,
I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university.
I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu
stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma"
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Thomas, I hope you are not suggesting that investing in physical resources is better than (or should take preference over) intellectual resources. If that is your argument, then you still need the intellectual resources to run those companies. Where do you get them from? Getting the intellectual capital right is a first and unparalleled. --James On 22 April 2013 15:26, Thomas Kamire <tkamire@gmail.com> wrote:
Can these guys put this money on collapsed companies like kikomi and miwani and others 4b can do alot.
Sent from my iKamire network.
I did get my computer exposure in form 1 at starehe boys and I went to be good in this field running my own this. So what I do ask is that there some of these companies which we run down we just get them back as we get money to get those laptops Rwanda tried but they later stopped and I have about 10 of them in my workshop after repairs the parents cannot pay Sent from my iKamire network. On Apr 22, 2013, at 17:06, James Kariuki <jkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: Thomas, I hope you are not suggesting that investing in physical resources is better than (or should take preference over) intellectual resources. If that is your argument, then you still need the intellectual resources to run those companies. Where do you get them from? Getting the intellectual capital right is a first and unparalleled. --James On 22 April 2013 15:26, Thomas Kamire <tkamire@gmail.com> wrote:
Can these guys put this money on collapsed companies like kikomi and miwani and others 4b can do alot.
Sent from my iKamire network.
Bernard's email confirms my thoughts. Within four years in high school he mastered how to use the computers and is now writing software for companies across Africa! Now imagine replicating this with thousands of high school students...in four years this country will be reading amazing stories. And what's more, we will be tackling unemployment issues at the same time to some good extent. Now, don't get me wrong- I fully support the fact that kids should be given a similar chance. However, my take is that next year it should be piloted to get it right. Instead of giving all the 800,000 primary children laptops, pilot 200,000 and give the rest to high school students. Go through the curve for the primary children to see what challenges lie there. Once addressed, roll out further the following year. Meanwhile, you will be having some thousands of high school students already on the way to maximising their potential. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Bernard, Please watch these two clips.
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html
The current pedagogy is under threat. It is time for a paradigm shift in education.
Ndemo.
Personal experience:
I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe.
A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed.
Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa.
When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history.
If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case!
With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself.
Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better.
Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-080
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Hi,
I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university.
I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma"
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi Gilda, I believe we have exhausted the forum stage and it is time we presented some of this issues to the Jubilee team so that they can start making adjustments to the policy. So who wants to join the team that will bell the cat? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 11:22 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears Bernard's email confirms my thoughts. Within four years in high school he mastered how to use the computers and is now writing software for companies across Africa! Now imagine replicating this with thousands of high school students...in four years this country will be reading amazing stories. And what's more, we will be tackling unemployment issues at the same time to some good extent. Now, don't get me wrong- I fully support the fact that kids should be given a similar chance. However, my take is that next year it should be piloted to get it right. Instead of giving all the 800,000 primary children laptops, pilot 200,000 and give the rest to high school students. Go through the curve for the primary children to see what challenges lie there. Once addressed, roll out further the following year. Meanwhile, you will be having some thousands of high school students already on the way to maximising their potential. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Bernard, Please watch these two clips.
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html
The current pedagogy is under threat. It is time for a paradigm shift in education.
Ndemo.
Personal experience:
I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe.
A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed.
Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa.
When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history.
If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case!
With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself.
Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better.
Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-080
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Hi,
I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university.
I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma"
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi Robert, Let's meet early next week and discuss offline. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 23, 2013, at 2:37 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Gilda,
I believe we have exhausted the forum stage and it is time we presented some of this issues to the Jubilee team so that they can start making adjustments to the policy.
So who wants to join the team that will bell the cat?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 11:22 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Bernard's email confirms my thoughts. Within four years in high school he mastered how to use the computers and is now writing software for companies across Africa! Now imagine replicating this with thousands of high school students...in four years this country will be reading amazing stories. And what's more, we will be tackling unemployment issues at the same time to some good extent.
Now, don't get me wrong- I fully support the fact that kids should be given a similar chance. However, my take is that next year it should be piloted to get it right. Instead of giving all the 800,000 primary children laptops, pilot 200,000 and give the rest to high school students. Go through the curve for the primary children to see what challenges lie there. Once addressed, roll out further the following year. Meanwhile, you will be having some thousands of high school students already on the way to maximising their potential.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Bernard, Please watch these two clips.
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html
The current pedagogy is under threat. It is time for a paradigm shift in education.
Ndemo.
Personal experience:
I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe.
A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed.
Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa.
When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history.
If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case!
With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself.
Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better.
Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-080
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Hi,
I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university.
I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma"
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi all, This is just to thank the forum for the discussion of this matter. I've read quite a lot of discussion of the thing on different fora, and this one has been by far the most informative, and the soberest. Thanks. Daniel Waweru, 26 Hai Phen, Bodoni, Caissa Superiore, Republic of San Serriffe On 23 April 2013 15:16, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
Hi Robert,
Let's meet early next week and discuss offline.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 2:37 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Gilda,
I believe we have exhausted the forum stage and it is time we presented some of this issues to the Jubilee team so that they can start making adjustments to the policy.
So who wants to join the team that will bell the cat?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 11:22 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Bernard's email confirms my thoughts. Within four years in high school he mastered how to use the computers and is now writing software for companies across Africa! Now imagine replicating this with thousands of high school students...in four years this country will be reading amazing stories. And what's more, we will be tackling unemployment issues at the same time to some good extent.
Now, don't get me wrong- I fully support the fact that kids should be given a similar chance. However, my take is that next year it should be piloted to get it right. Instead of giving all the 800,000 primary children laptops, pilot 200,000 and give the rest to high school students. Go through the curve for the primary children to see what challenges lie there. Once addressed, roll out further the following year. Meanwhile, you will be having some thousands of high school students already on the way to maximising their potential.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Bernard, Please watch these two clips.
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html
The current pedagogy is under threat. It is time for a paradigm shift in education.
Ndemo.
Personal experience:
I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe.
A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed.
Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa.
When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history.
If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case!
With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself.
Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better.
Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-080
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Hi,
I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university.
I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu
stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma"
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Gilda You have missed the point. The effort here is not to introduce packages early for high school students, it is to transform an entire generation's mind set to be ready by the time it hits Form 1 to conceptualize and model complex problems that can revolutionize this country. We are not saying all the students will be computer whizzes, but the Zuckerbergs and Bill Gates and Steve Jobs amongst us will be captured early. By the time they reach those other stages not only will they be many but their minds will be ready for introduction of complex problems like multi-dimensional modeling, nanotechnology and all these other things we discuss here. Waiting till Form 1 is too late, Chinese, Indians, Americans are already well ahead. We must start with them and I guarantee you by high school there will be no difference between the tech savvy Kenyan kid and the tech savvy American one from coding to gaming to IT security name it. And the good thing is that by that time most of these kids do not want your job, they want to strike out on their own and do their own things hence creating employment. JG On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
Hi Robert,
Let's meet early next week and discuss offline.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 2:37 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Gilda,
I believe we have exhausted the forum stage and it is time we presented some of this issues to the Jubilee team so that they can start making adjustments to the policy.
So who wants to join the team that will bell the cat?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 11:22 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Bernard's email confirms my thoughts. Within four years in high school he mastered how to use the computers and is now writing software for companies across Africa! Now imagine replicating this with thousands of high school students...in four years this country will be reading amazing stories. And what's more, we will be tackling unemployment issues at the same time to some good extent.
Now, don't get me wrong- I fully support the fact that kids should be given a similar chance. However, my take is that next year it should be piloted to get it right. Instead of giving all the 800,000 primary children laptops, pilot 200,000 and give the rest to high school students. Go through the curve for the primary children to see what challenges lie there. Once addressed, roll out further the following year. Meanwhile, you will be having some thousands of high school students already on the way to maximising their potential.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Bernard, Please watch these two clips.
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html
The current pedagogy is under threat. It is time for a paradigm shift in education.
Ndemo.
Personal experience:
I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe.
A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed.
Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa.
When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history.
If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case!
With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself.
Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better.
Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-080
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Hi,
I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university.
I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu
stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma"
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy. http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... walu.
State House has been kind enough to put up brief CVs on Scribd. http://www.scribd.com/doc/137564995/Cabinet-Secretaries-Nominees-CVs Kind regards, Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu.
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Haiya, Statehouse is digital! CVs within minutes of the announcement, let me adjust my seat, this looks like it will be an exciting 5 years! On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Muchiri Nyaggah wrote:
State House has been kind enough to put up brief CVs on Scribd.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/137564995/Cabinet-Secretaries-Nominees-CVs
Kind regards,
Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG
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It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu.
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I think there has been a lot of lobbying, even though of course the guys promised to give the jobs to 'proper' technocrats. We know that we were being duped, somewhat, because these are political appointments. I think Matiangi has been leading, among other projects, the televising of parliament, if I am not wrong. As someone alluded here, again speculatively, he was (and perhaps still is) very close to a very senior Kisii politician. And due to the monster called 'ethnic balancing', Dr Ndemo will most likely be moved to another department, if all. But he is still welcome at the University of Nairobi where he can contribute a lot. What I am sure though is that Dr Ndemo has been brilliant, and hope he can still retain his position (wishful thinking, perhaps!) irrespective of where the Secretary comes from. George _______________________________ Dr George Nyabuga Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Ltd. t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 67 58 | w: www.afrinic.net | tt: @afrinic facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia _______________________________ Join us at AFRINIC-18 (Africa Internet Summit) Lusaka, Zambia 9 – 21 June 2013 - http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-18 On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Haiya,
Statehouse is digital! CVs within minutes of the announcement, let me adjust my seat, this looks like it will be an exciting 5 years!
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Muchiri Nyaggah wrote: State House has been kind enough to put up brief CVs on Scribd.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/137564995/Cabinet-Secretaries-Nominees-CVs
Kind regards,
Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu.
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+ 1 From: george@afrinic.net Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:40:33 +0400 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com I think there has been a lot of lobbying, even though of course the guys promised to give the jobs to 'proper' technocrats. We know that we were being duped, somewhat, because these are political appointments. I think Matiangi has been leading, among other projects, the televising of parliament, if I am not wrong. As someone alluded here, again speculatively, he was (and perhaps still is) very close to a very senior Kisii politician. And due to the monster called 'ethnic balancing', Dr Ndemo will most likely be moved to another department, if all. But he is still welcome at the University of Nairobi where he can contribute a lot. What I am sure though is that Dr Ndemo has been brilliant, and hope he can still retain his position (wishful thinking, perhaps!) irrespective of where the Secretary comes from. George _______________________________ Dr George Nyabuga Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Ltd. t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 67 58 | w: www.afrinic.net | tt: @afrinic facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia _______________________________Join us at AFRINIC-18 (Africa Internet Summit) Lusaka, Zambia 9 – 21 June 2013 - http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-18 On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:Haiya, Statehouse is digital! CVs within minutes of the announcement, let me adjust my seat, this looks like it will be an exciting 5 years! On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Muchiri Nyaggah wrote: State House has been kind enough to put up brief CVs on Scribd. http://www.scribd.com/doc/137564995/Cabinet-Secretaries-Nominees-CVs Kind regards, Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiriCell: +254 722 506400Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy. http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/muchiri%40semacraft.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/george%40afrinic.net The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
But I thought I remember many thinking Dr. Ndemo was wrong for the ministry because his qualifications were in Finance and Economics and he was replacing Engineer Rege who was thought most qualified for the position? The question we should ask is how much access will they have to State House. For Kagwe and Ndemo, having the ear of State House really helped in moving some of the major hurdles to their goals. Yawe what do you mean it took years to get Ndemo to reach his current level of appreciation of ICT? That is condescending. Dr. Ndemo simply did what government is supposed to do, listen to stakeholders to include their concerns when crafting policy. Given that he did many of his degrees abroad, I tend to think Daktari had seen a lot of the technology you speak of looong before you even contemplated it here. JG On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
+ 1
------------------------------ From: george@afrinic.net Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:40:33 +0400
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
I think there has been a lot of lobbying, even though of course the guys promised to give the jobs to 'proper' technocrats. We know that we were being duped, somewhat, because these are political appointments. I think Matiangi has been leading, among other projects, the televising of parliament, if I am not wrong. As someone alluded here, again speculatively, he was (and perhaps still is) very close to a very senior Kisii politician. And due to the monster called 'ethnic balancing', Dr Ndemo will most likely be moved to another department, if all. But he is still welcome at the University of Nairobi where he can contribute a lot. What I am sure though is that Dr Ndemo has been brilliant, and hope he can still retain his position (wishful thinking, perhaps!) irrespective of where the Secretary comes from.
George
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On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Haiya,
Statehouse is digital! CVs within minutes of the announcement, let me adjust my seat, this looks like it will be an exciting 5 years!
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Muchiri Nyaggah wrote:
State House has been kind enough to put up brief CVs on Scribd.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/137564995/Cabinet-Secretaries-Nominees-CVs
Kind regards,
Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG <http://www.code4kenya.org/>
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu.
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Hi James, Dr. Ndemo is a big boy please stop trying to fight on his behalf, he knows where I live. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 13:38 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT But I thought I remember many thinking Dr. Ndemo was wrong for the ministry because his qualifications were in Finance and Economics and he was replacing Engineer Rege who was thought most qualified for the position? The question we should ask is how much access will they have to State House. For Kagwe and Ndemo, having the ear of State House really helped in moving some of the major hurdles to their goals. Yawe what do you mean it took years to get Ndemo to reach his current level of appreciation of ICT? That is condescending. Dr. Ndemo simply did what government is supposed to do, listen to stakeholders to include their concerns when crafting policy. Given that he did many of his degrees abroad, I tend to think Daktari had seen a lot of the technology you speak of looong before you even contemplated it here. JG On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
+ 1
________________________________ From: george@afrinic.net Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:40:33 +0400
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
I think there has been a lot of lobbying, even though of course the guys promised to give the jobs to 'proper' technocrats. We know that we were being duped, somewhat, because these are political appointments. I think Matiangi has been leading, among other projects, the televising of parliament, if I am not wrong. As someone alluded here, again speculatively, he was (and perhaps still is) very close to a very senior Kisii politician. And due to the monster called 'ethnic balancing', Dr Ndemo will most likely be moved to another department, if all. But he is still welcome at the University of Nairobi where he can contribute a lot. What I am sure though is that Dr Ndemo has been brilliant, and hope he can still retain his position (wishful thinking, perhaps!) irrespective of where the Secretary comes from.
George
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On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Haiya,
Statehouse is digital! CVs within minutes of the announcement, let me adjust my seat, this looks like it will be an exciting 5 years!
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Muchiri Nyaggah wrote:
State House has been kind enough to put up brief CVs on Scribd.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/137564995/Cabinet-Secretaries-Nominees-CVs
Kind regards,
Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
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ICT Ministry aside. I am just so so inspired by Raychelle Omamo! nominee for defence. the sky is the limit! 2013/4/24 robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi James,
Dr. Ndemo is a big boy please stop trying to fight on his behalf, he knows where I live.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 13:38
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
But I thought I remember many thinking Dr. Ndemo was wrong for the ministry because his qualifications were in Finance and Economics and he was replacing Engineer Rege who was thought most qualified for the position?
The question we should ask is how much access will they have to State House. For Kagwe and Ndemo, having the ear of State House really helped in moving some of the major hurdles to their goals.
Yawe what do you mean it took years to get Ndemo to reach his current level of appreciation of ICT? That is condescending. Dr. Ndemo simply did what government is supposed to do, listen to stakeholders to include their concerns when crafting policy. Given that he did many of his degrees abroad, I tend to think Daktari had seen a lot of the technology you speak of looong before you even contemplated it here.
JG
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
+ 1
------------------------------ From: george@afrinic.net Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:40:33 +0400
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
I think there has been a lot of lobbying, even though of course the guys promised to give the jobs to 'proper' technocrats. We know that we were being duped, somewhat, because these are political appointments. I think Matiangi has been leading, among other projects, the televising of parliament, if I am not wrong. As someone alluded here, again speculatively, he was (and perhaps still is) very close to a very senior Kisii politician. And due to the monster called 'ethnic balancing', Dr Ndemo will most likely be moved to another department, if all. But he is still welcome at the University of Nairobi where he can contribute a lot. What I am sure though is that Dr Ndemo has been brilliant, and hope he can still retain his position (wishful thinking, perhaps!) irrespective of where the Secretary comes from.
George
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On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Haiya,
Statehouse is digital! CVs within minutes of the announcement, let me adjust my seat, this looks like it will be an exciting 5 years!
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Muchiri Nyaggah wrote:
State House has been kind enough to put up brief CVs on Scribd.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/137564995/Cabinet-Secretaries-Nominees-CVs
Kind regards,
Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG <http://www.code4kenya.org/>
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu.
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Yawe I'm not fighting on his behalf but on behalf of common courtesy and professionalism. You can make your point without such snide asides that actually only amount to hot air. Majority of Kenyans know ICT ministry and strides made as Ndemo's work. They don't know Yawe, hence the ludicrousness of that statement. Grace I'm still trying to wrap myself around the thinking behind this cabinet but hey Raychelle is as qualified as anyone else. What did you think of the return of Ngilu and Balala? James On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi James,
Dr. Ndemo is a big boy please stop trying to fight on his behalf, he knows where I live.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 13:38
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
But I thought I remember many thinking Dr. Ndemo was wrong for the ministry because his qualifications were in Finance and Economics and he was replacing Engineer Rege who was thought most qualified for the position?
The question we should ask is how much access will they have to State House. For Kagwe and Ndemo, having the ear of State House really helped in moving some of the major hurdles to their goals.
Yawe what do you mean it took years to get Ndemo to reach his current level of appreciation of ICT? That is condescending. Dr. Ndemo simply did what government is supposed to do, listen to stakeholders to include their concerns when crafting policy. Given that he did many of his degrees abroad, I tend to think Daktari had seen a lot of the technology you speak of looong before you even contemplated it here.
JG
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
+ 1
------------------------------ From: george@afrinic.net Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:40:33 +0400
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
I think there has been a lot of lobbying, even though of course the guys promised to give the jobs to 'proper' technocrats. We know that we were being duped, somewhat, because these are political appointments. I think Matiangi has been leading, among other projects, the televising of parliament, if I am not wrong. As someone alluded here, again speculatively, he was (and perhaps still is) very close to a very senior Kisii politician. And due to the monster called 'ethnic balancing', Dr Ndemo will most likely be moved to another department, if all. But he is still welcome at the University of Nairobi where he can contribute a lot. What I am sure though is that Dr Ndemo has been brilliant, and hope he can still retain his position (wishful thinking, perhaps!) irrespective of where the Secretary comes from.
George
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On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Haiya,
Statehouse is digital! CVs within minutes of the announcement, let me adjust my seat, this looks like it will be an exciting 5 years!
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Muchiri Nyaggah wrote:
State House has been kind enough to put up brief CVs on Scribd.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/137564995/Cabinet-Secretaries-Nominees-CVs
Kind regards,
Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG <http://www.code4kenya.org/>
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu.
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Dear Walubengo: He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60 Kind regards, Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy. http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/smutoro%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
@Mutoro, I can feel your excitement. But lets interrogate the possible merits of Dr. Matiangi who taught you literature @ UoN - within the context of our ICT industry. What do you think Dr. Matiangi would bring on the table? I do appreciate that he does NOT need to be an IT/Technical guy, after all Dr. Ndemo is an economist and I think overall Ndemo is/has been excellent to our sector. So what do you think is Dr. Matiangi's advantage? Remember, the Vetting Committee in Parliament might ask the same questions and we may need the answers to defend the choice our Digital President has made. walu. ________________________________ From: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT Dear Walubengo: He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60 Kind regards, Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy. http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/smutoro%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I must confess that is a difficult one. But Dr Matiang'i brings with him the best of both worlds - especially civil society (SUNY) and at the same time public (as a senior lecturer and a close adviser of a retired powerful political figure). If am asked about one merit is this - Fred is an independent decision maker" He doesn't waste time on that. And what is more, he comes in with a fresh mindset - "I am not ICT person, yes, but I am a manager and a realist and not an idealist - I can get the nice stories of dreams of the likes of Konza City to the reality. He is particularly strong in designing winning proposals. I have an idea of his weakness, like anyone else, but I'd rather join him in celebrating his day as first CS, ICT for Kenya. What we need is to get him someone like John Walubengo as his PS! Cheers ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice? @Mutoro, I can feel your excitement. But lets interrogate the possible merits of Dr. Matiangi who taught you literature @ UoN - within the context of our ICT industry. What do you think Dr. Matiangi would bring on the table? I do appreciate that he does NOT need to be an IT/Technical guy, after all Dr. Ndemo is an economist and I think overall Ndemo is/has been excellent to our sector. So what do you think is Dr. Matiangi's advantage? Remember, the Vetting Committee in Parliament might ask the same questions and we may need the answers to defend the choice our Digital President has made. walu. ________________________________ From: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT Dear Walubengo: He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60 Kind regards, Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke ________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy. http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/smutoro%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Walu for PS. Polish your CV and forward it to the PSC. It would be great to have our own at the ministry. And while there, don't forget Brian for PMG! On 23/04/2013, stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> wrote:
I must confess that is a difficult one. But Dr Matiang'i brings with him the best of both worlds - especially civil society (SUNY) and at the same time public (as a senior lecturer and a close adviser of a retired powerful political figure). If am asked about one merit is this - Fred is an independent decision maker" He doesn't waste time on that. And what is more, he comes in with a fresh mindset - "I am not ICT person, yes, but I am a manager and a realist and not an idealist - I can get the nice stories of dreams of the likes of Konza City to the reality. He is particularly strong in designing winning proposals. I have an idea of his weakness, like anyone else, but I'd rather join him in celebrating his day as first CS, ICT for Kenya. What we need is to get him someone like John Walubengo as his PS! Cheers
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice?
@Mutoro,
I can feel your excitement. But lets interrogate the possible merits of Dr. Matiangi who taught you literature @ UoN - within the context of our ICT industry. What do you think Dr. Matiangi would bring on the table? I do appreciate that he does NOT need to be an IT/Technical guy, after all Dr. Ndemo is an economist and I think overall Ndemo is/has been excellent to our sector.
So what do you think is Dr. Matiangi's advantage? Remember, the Vetting Committee in Parliament might ask the same questions and we may need the answers to defend the choice our Digital President has made.
walu.
________________________________ From: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Hahaha Kivuva! Please, I can assure you that, unlike my brother Robert Yawe, I have no interest in PMG, and I am also sure that even Bobby's impassioned campaign is a bit tongue-in-cheek, I am sure there are many young, energetic, qualified people who can take this up. They just need a framework where some of us can provide them with strategic guidance, oversight and mentorship. On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Kivuva wrote:
Walu for PS. Polish your CV and forward it to the PSC.
It would be great to have our own at the ministry. And while there, don't forget Brian for PMG!
I must confess that is a difficult one. But Dr Matiang'i brings with him
On 23/04/2013, stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> wrote: the
best of both worlds - especially civil society (SUNY) and at the same time public (as a senior lecturer and a close adviser of a retired powerful political figure). If am asked about one merit is this - Fred is an independent decision maker" He doesn't waste time on that. And what is more, he comes in with a fresh mindset - "I am not ICT person, yes, but I am a manager and a realist and not an idealist - I can get the nice stories of dreams of the likes of Konza City to the reality. He is particularly strong in designing winning proposals. I have an idea of his weakness, like anyone else, but I'd rather join him in celebrating his day as first CS, ICT for Kenya. What we need is to get him someone like John Walubengo as his PS! Cheers
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice?
@Mutoro,
I can feel your excitement. But lets interrogate the possible merits of Dr. Matiangi who taught you literature @ UoN - within the context of our ICT industry. What do you think Dr. Matiangi would bring on the table? I do appreciate that he does NOT need to be an IT/Technical guy, after all Dr. Ndemo is an economist and I think overall Ndemo is/has been excellent to our sector.
So what do you think is Dr. Matiangi's advantage? Remember, the Vetting Committee in Parliament might ask the same questions and we may need the answers to defend the choice our Digital President has made.
walu.
________________________________ From: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry.
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some
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Brian, There is no tongue in cheek as concerns the PMG post or better still Chair of the PCK Board (I also have more than 2 kids), "mtaka cha uvunguni ni sharti ainame" We must stop encouraging people to sit at home and wait for appointments from heaven, canvassing and putting yourself out there is essential even the dear lord says "ask and you shall receive", even though there are millions out there who might be more qualified and energetic than myself but they have not shown an interest in the post. Regards PS. . . . the son never asked so his father never gave him a fattened sheep Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 7:39 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice? Hahaha Kivuva! Please, I can assure you that, unlike my brother Robert Yawe, I have no interest in PMG, and I am also sure that even Bobby's impassioned campaign is a bit tongue-in-cheek, I am sure there are many young, energetic, qualified people who can take this up. They just need a framework where some of us can provide them with strategic guidance, oversight and mentorship. On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Kivuva wrote: Walu for PS. Polish your CV and forward it to the PSC.
It would be great to have our own at the ministry. And while there, don't forget Brian for PMG!
On 23/04/2013, stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> wrote:
I must confess that is a difficult one. But Dr Matiang'i brings with him the best of both worlds - especially civil society (SUNY) and at the same time public (as a senior lecturer and a close adviser of a retired powerful political figure). If am asked about one merit is this - Fred is an independent decision maker" He doesn't waste time on that. And what is more, he comes in with a fresh mindset - "I am not ICT person, yes, but I am a manager and a realist and not an idealist - I can get the nice stories of dreams of the likes of Konza City to the reality. He is particularly strong in designing winning proposals. I have an idea of his weakness, like anyone else, but I'd rather join him in celebrating his day as first CS, ICT for Kenya. What we need is to get him someone like John Walubengo as his PS! Cheers
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice?
@Mutoro,
I can feel your excitement. But lets interrogate the possible merits of Dr. Matiangi who taught you literature @ UoN - within the context of our ICT industry. What do you think Dr. Matiangi would bring on the table? I do appreciate that he does NOT need to be an IT/Technical guy, after all Dr. Ndemo is an economist and I think overall Ndemo is/has been excellent to our sector.
So what do you think is Dr. Matiangi's advantage? Remember, the Vetting Committee in Parliament might ask the same questions and we may need the answers to defend the choice our Digital President has made.
walu.
________________________________ From: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some --
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Robert, Kweli wewe ni msema kweli. Well spoken - you have my vote! Brian On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:27 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Brian,
There is no tongue in cheek as concerns the PMG post or better still Chair of the PCK Board (I also have more than 2 kids), "mtaka cha uvunguni ni sharti ainame"
We must stop encouraging people to sit at home and wait for appointments from heaven, canvassing and putting yourself out there is essential even the dear lord says "ask and you shall receive", even though there are millions out there who might be more qualified and energetic than myself but they have not shown an interest in the post.
Regards
PS. . . . the son never asked so his father never gave him a fattened sheep
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 7:39
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice?
Hahaha Kivuva! Please, I can assure you that, unlike my brother Robert Yawe, I have no interest in PMG, and I am also sure that even Bobby's impassioned campaign is a bit tongue-in-cheek, I am sure there are many young, energetic, qualified people who can take this up. They just need a framework where some of us can provide them with strategic guidance, oversight and mentorship.
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Kivuva wrote:
Walu for PS. Polish your CV and forward it to the PSC.
It would be great to have our own at the ministry. And while there, don't forget Brian for PMG!
I must confess that is a difficult one. But Dr Matiang'i brings with him
On 23/04/2013, stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> wrote: the
best of both worlds - especially civil society (SUNY) and at the same time public (as a senior lecturer and a close adviser of a retired powerful political figure). If am asked about one merit is this - Fred is an independent decision maker" He doesn't waste time on that. And what is more, he comes in with a fresh mindset - "I am not ICT person, yes, but I am a manager and a realist and not an idealist - I can get the nice stories of dreams of the likes of Konza City to the reality. He is particularly strong in designing winning proposals. I have an idea of his weakness, like anyone else, but I'd rather join him in celebrating his day as first CS, ICT for Kenya. What we need is to get him someone like John Walubengo as his PS! Cheers
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice?
@Mutoro,
I can feel your excitement. But lets interrogate the possible merits of Dr. Matiangi who taught you literature @ UoN - within the context of our ICT industry. What do you think Dr. Matiangi would bring on the table? I do appreciate that he does NOT need to be an IT/Technical guy, after all Dr. Ndemo is an economist and I think overall Ndemo is/has been excellent to our sector.
So what do you think is Dr. Matiangi's advantage? Remember, the Vetting Committee in Parliament might ask the same questions and we may need the answers to defend the choice our Digital President has made.
walu.
________________________________ From: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry.
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some
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Robert Aptly put. Go forth my brother..I am waiting to see you come out of State House in Presidential Swag.. :) Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Apr 24, 2013, at 8:27 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Brian,
There is no tongue in cheek as concerns the PMG post or better still Chair of the PCK Board (I also have more than 2 kids), "mtaka cha uvunguni ni sharti ainame"
We must stop encouraging people to sit at home and wait for appointments from heaven, canvassing and putting yourself out there is essential even the dear lord says "ask and you shall receive", even though there are millions out there who might be more qualified and energetic than myself but they have not shown an interest in the post.
Regards
PS. . . . the son never asked so his father never gave him a fattened sheep
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Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 7:39 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice?
Hahaha Kivuva! Please, I can assure you that, unlike my brother Robert Yawe, I have no interest in PMG, and I am also sure that even Bobby's impassioned campaign is a bit tongue-in-cheek, I am sure there are many young, energetic, qualified people who can take this up. They just need a framework where some of us can provide them with strategic guidance, oversight and mentorship.
On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, Kivuva wrote: Walu for PS. Polish your CV and forward it to the PSC.
It would be great to have our own at the ministry. And while there, don't forget Brian for PMG!
On 23/04/2013, stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> wrote:
I must confess that is a difficult one. But Dr Matiang'i brings with him the best of both worlds - especially civil society (SUNY) and at the same time public (as a senior lecturer and a close adviser of a retired powerful political figure). If am asked about one merit is this - Fred is an independent decision maker" He doesn't waste time on that. And what is more, he comes in with a fresh mindset - "I am not ICT person, yes, but I am a manager and a realist and not an idealist - I can get the nice stories of dreams of the likes of Konza City to the reality. He is particularly strong in designing winning proposals. I have an idea of his weakness, like anyone else, but I'd rather join him in celebrating his day as first CS, ICT for Kenya. What we need is to get him someone like John Walubengo as his PS! Cheers
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice?
@Mutoro,
I can feel your excitement. But lets interrogate the possible merits of Dr. Matiangi who taught you literature @ UoN - within the context of our ICT industry. What do you think Dr. Matiangi would bring on the table? I do appreciate that he does NOT need to be an IT/Technical guy, after all Dr. Ndemo is an economist and I think overall Ndemo is/has been excellent to our sector.
So what do you think is Dr. Matiangi's advantage? Remember, the Vetting Committee in Parliament might ask the same questions and we may need the answers to defend the choice our Digital President has made.
walu.
________________________________ From: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some --
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@Kivuva, @Mutoro First time in my life that my name and a government appointment has appeared in the same sentence - even though in a proposed form :-) Unfortunately, am not available this time around. But lobby and give me a call in 2018. Nitakua nimeiva :-). Translation:- I will be more than ready. walu. ________________________________ From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice? Walu for PS. Polish your CV and forward it to the PSC. It would be great to have our own at the ministry. And while there, don't forget Brian for PMG! On 23/04/2013, stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> wrote:
I must confess that is a difficult one. But Dr Matiang'i brings with him the best of both worlds - especially civil society (SUNY) and at the same time public (as a senior lecturer and a close adviser of a retired powerful political figure). If am asked about one merit is this - Fred is an independent decision maker" He doesn't waste time on that. And what is more, he comes in with a fresh mindset - "I am not ICT person, yes, but I am a manager and a realist and not an idealist - I can get the nice stories of dreams of the likes of Konza City to the reality. He is particularly strong in designing winning proposals. I have an idea of his weakness, like anyone else, but I'd rather join him in celebrating his day as first CS, ICT for Kenya. What we need is to get him someone like John Walubengo as his PS! Cheers
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice?
@Mutoro,
I can feel your excitement. But lets interrogate the possible merits of Dr. Matiangi who taught you literature @ UoN - within the context of our ICT industry. What do you think Dr. Matiangi would bring on the table? I do appreciate that he does NOT need to be an IT/Technical guy, after all Dr. Ndemo is an economist and I think overall Ndemo is/has been excellent to our sector.
So what do you think is Dr. Matiangi's advantage? Remember, the Vetting Committee in Parliament might ask the same questions and we may need the answers to defend the choice our Digital President has made.
walu.
________________________________ From: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
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We will lobby for you @walu. But remember, there is never a more appropriate time than now. We will also lobby for @Mblayo even if he insists he's no more Kijana :-) On 24 April 2013 09:54, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Kivuva, @Mutoro
First time in my life that my name and a government appointment has appeared in the same sentence - even though in a proposed form :-)
Unfortunately, am not available this time around. But lobby and give me a call in 2018. Nitakua nimeiva :-). Translation:- I will be more than ready.
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:52 PM
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice?
Walu for PS. Polish your CV and forward it to the PSC.
It would be great to have our own at the ministry. And while there, don't forget Brian for PMG!
I must confess that is a difficult one. But Dr Matiang'i brings with him
On 23/04/2013, stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> wrote: the
best of both worlds - especially civil society (SUNY) and at the same time public (as a senior lecturer and a close adviser of a retired powerful political figure). If am asked about one merit is this - Fred is an independent decision maker" He doesn't waste time on that. And what is more, he comes in with a fresh mindset - "I am not ICT person, yes, but I am a manager and a realist and not an idealist - I can get the nice stories of dreams of the likes of Konza City to the reality. He is particularly strong in designing winning proposals. I have an idea of his weakness, like anyone else, but I'd rather join him in celebrating his day as first CS, ICT for Kenya. What we need is to get him someone like John Walubengo as his PS! Cheers
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT-good choice?
@Mutoro,
I can feel your excitement. But lets interrogate the possible merits of Dr. Matiangi who taught you literature @ UoN - within the context of our ICT industry. What do you think Dr. Matiangi would bring on the table? I do appreciate that he does NOT need to be an IT/Technical guy, after all Dr. Ndemo is an economist and I think overall Ndemo is/has been excellent to our sector.
So what do you think is Dr. Matiangi's advantage? Remember, the Vetting Committee in Parliament might ask the same questions and we may need the answers to defend the choice our Digital President has made.
walu.
________________________________ From: stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry.
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
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@ Mutoro, I have read your or cofek 'analysis' of why Dr. Ndemo missed out on the ICT docket. One reason you give is that of Kenya's participation to WICT which i quote:"The diplomatic row and the embarrassment that PS caused to Kenya delegation during the WICT in Dubai has tarnished Kenya's name in the eyes of international community and particularly Africa. The PS came with members of civil society whom he had accredited to represent the Kenya Government through back door and completely ignored the advice from government representatives and started reading views prepared and presented to him by members of another delegation making Kenya appear like a colony of that state".This is misleading and as one of those 'civil society' members that participated, I want to set the record straight. 1. The accreditation was not through the back door as you purport. Please read Kenya's 2010 constitution article 10. You will see that participation of citizens is key in any policy making process whether local or international. 2. CCK convened a stakeholder's meeting on November 13, 2012 to discuss the ITRs. Several view points and recommendations emerged and were submitted to CCK (CCK had a deadline and our consolidated recommendations reached them on time). It was therefore expected that Kenya would have its own position. 3. It was in the spirit of Kenya's Constitution that Kenya's delegation embraced stakeholders, and civil society was one of them. 4. In Dubai, the ITU secretary General met with Civil Society representatives from different countries (Kenya was not the only country that had a multistakeholder delegation) and reported that he had written to governments encouraging them to include in their delegations stakeholders including civil society. How then is this backdoor accreditation when it is placed as a requirement in our supreme law, as well as recommended by the ITU? Why do you imply that civil society members should not have been at WICT? 5. What diplomatic row are you talking about? And why are you including in your 'analysis' rumors? Did you take time to understand the sticking points in the negotiations and therefore understand what Kenya's position needed to be in WICT? Can you table evidence that the PS read views prepared by another delegation? For your information, the very same issues we raised on November 13, became the same issues of contention at WICT. Kindly check your facts before making certain claims. RgdsGraceP.S. We must give credit where due. Dr. Ndemo has made immense contributions in the sector. Please do not be subjective about important issues like WICT just because you dont like him. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:35:46 -0700 From: smutoro@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Dear Walubengo: He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60 Kind regards, Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy. http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... walu. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/smutoro%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Grace +1. In fact I will go further and assay that this Multi-stakeholder engagement in Kenya is a case study that other countries try to emulate. Maybe Bwana Mutoro would like to elaborate for us this 'Backdoor' process he is talking about. Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Apr 25, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
@ Mutoro, I have read your or cofek 'analysis' of why Dr. Ndemo missed out on the ICT docket. One reason you give is that of Kenya's participation to WICT which i quote: "The diplomatic row and the embarrassment that PS caused to Kenya delegation during the WICT in Dubai has tarnished Kenya's name in the eyes of international community and particularly Africa. The PS came with members of civil society whom he had accredited to represent the Kenya Government through back door and completely ignored the advice from government representatives and started reading views prepared and presented to him by members of another delegation making Kenya appear like a colony of that state". This is misleading and as one of those 'civil society' members that participated, I want to set the record straight.
1. The accreditation was not through the back door as you purport. Please read Kenya's 2010 constitution article 10. You will see that participation of citizens is key in any policy making process whether local or international.
2. CCK convened a stakeholder's meeting on November 13, 2012 to discuss the ITRs. Several view points and recommendations emerged and were submitted to CCK (CCK had a deadline and our consolidated recommendations reached them on time). It was therefore expected that Kenya would have its own position.
3. It was in the spirit of Kenya's Constitution that Kenya's delegation embraced stakeholders, and civil society was one of them.
4. In Dubai, the ITU secretary General met with Civil Society representatives from different countries (Kenya was not the only country that had a multistakeholder delegation) and reported that he had written to governments encouraging them to include in their delegations stakeholders including civil society. How then is this backdoor accreditation when it is placed as a requirement in our supreme law, as well as recommended by the ITU? Why do you imply that civil society members should not have been at WICT?
5. What diplomatic row are you talking about? And why are you including in your 'analysis' rumors? Did you take time to understand the sticking points in the negotiations and therefore understand what Kenya's position needed to be in WICT? Can you table evidence that the PS read views prepared by another delegation? For your information, the very same issues we raised on November 13, became the same issues of contention at WICT.
Kindly check your facts before making certain claims.
Rgds Grace P.S. We must give credit where due. Dr. Ndemo has made immense contributions in the sector. Please do not be subjective about important issues like WICT just because you dont like him.
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:35:46 -0700 From: smutoro@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
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What about taking stock of what Dr. Ndemo did for the ICT industry? We should be thanking him in a big way. I think Mutoro should stop the sideshow. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
@ Mutoro, I have read your or cofek 'analysis' of why Dr. Ndemo missed out on the ICT docket. One reason you give is that of Kenya's participation to WICT which i quote: *
"The diplomatic row and the embarrassment that PS caused to Kenya delegation during the WICT in Dubai
has tarnished Kenya's name in the eyes of international community and particularly Africa.
The PS came with members of civil society whom he had accredited to represent the Kenya
Government through back door and completely ignored the advice from government representatives
and started reading views prepared and presented to him by members of another delegation making
Kenya appear like a colony of that state". * This is misleading and as one of those 'civil society' members that participated, I want to set the record straight.
1. The accreditation was not through the back door as you purport. Please read Kenya's 2010 constitution article 10. You will see that participation of citizens is key in any policy making process whether local or international.
2. CCK convened a stakeholder's meeting on November 13, 2012 to discuss the ITRs. Several view points and recommendations emerged and were submitted to CCK (CCK had a deadline and our consolidated recommendations reached them on time). It was therefore expected that Kenya would have its own position.
3. It was in the spirit of Kenya's Constitution that Kenya's delegation embraced stakeholders, and civil society was one of them.
4. In Dubai, the ITU secretary General met with Civil Society representatives from different countries (Kenya was not the only country that had a multistakeholder delegation) and reported that he had written to governments encouraging them to include in their delegations stakeholders including civil society. How then is this backdoor accreditation when it is placed as a requirement in our supreme law, as well as recommended by the ITU? Why do you imply that civil society members should not have been at WICT?
5. What diplomatic row are you talking about? And why are you including in your 'analysis' rumors? Did you take time to understand the sticking points in the negotiations and therefore understand what Kenya's position needed to be in WICT? Can you table evidence that the PS read views prepared by another delegation? For your information, the very same issues we raised on November 13, became the same issues of contention at WICT.
Kindly check your facts before making certain claims.
Rgds Grace P.S. We must give credit where due. Dr. Ndemo has made immense contributions in the sector. Please do not be subjective about important issues like WICT just because you dont like him.
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:35:46 -0700 From: smutoro@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* smutoro@yahoo.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu.
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+2 ( not for me and myself but for the 2 sentences.....:-) Eric here On 25 Apr 2013, at 10:53, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
What about taking stock of what Dr. Ndemo did for the ICT industry? We should be thanking him in a big way.
I think Mutoro should stop the sideshow.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: @ Mutoro, I have read your or cofek 'analysis' of why Dr. Ndemo missed out on the ICT docket. One reason you give is that of Kenya's participation to WICT which i quote: "The diplomatic row and the embarrassment that PS caused to Kenya delegation during the WICT in Dubai has tarnished Kenya's name in the eyes of international community and particularly Africa. The PS came with members of civil society whom he had accredited to represent the Kenya Government through back door and completely ignored the advice from government representatives and started reading views prepared and presented to him by members of another delegation making Kenya appear like a colony of that state". This is misleading and as one of those 'civil society' members that participated, I want to set the record straight.
1. The accreditation was not through the back door as you purport. Please read Kenya's 2010 constitution article 10. You will see that participation of citizens is key in any policy making process whether local or international.
2. CCK convened a stakeholder's meeting on November 13, 2012 to discuss the ITRs. Several view points and recommendations emerged and were submitted to CCK (CCK had a deadline and our consolidated recommendations reached them on time). It was therefore expected that Kenya would have its own position.
3. It was in the spirit of Kenya's Constitution that Kenya's delegation embraced stakeholders, and civil society was one of them.
4. In Dubai, the ITU secretary General met with Civil Society representatives from different countries (Kenya was not the only country that had a multistakeholder delegation) and reported that he had written to governments encouraging them to include in their delegations stakeholders including civil society. How then is this backdoor accreditation when it is placed as a requirement in our supreme law, as well as recommended by the ITU? Why do you imply that civil society members should not have been at WICT?
5. What diplomatic row are you talking about? And why are you including in your 'analysis' rumors? Did you take time to understand the sticking points in the negotiations and therefore understand what Kenya's position needed to be in WICT? Can you table evidence that the PS read views prepared by another delegation? For your information, the very same issues we raised on November 13, became the same issues of contention at WICT.
Kindly check your facts before making certain claims.
Rgds Grace P.S. We must give credit where due. Dr. Ndemo has made immense contributions in the sector. Please do not be subjective about important issues like WICT just because you dont like him.
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:35:46 -0700 From: smutoro@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu.
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Thanks Eric, Dorcas, Paul and a few others: With tremendous humility and respect I can muster, I must say that I welcome your (dis)encouraging criticism. When you criticize others, like I do at times, you must be ready for the same. But I would have responded, with evidence and I mean it, were it that my elder brother Dr Bitange Ndemo was the one asking for the same. I see the last time he tweeted was April 22, 2013. He hasn't been active here. I trust he is well. Unknown to many, especially those who purport to respond on his behalf, Dr Ndemo encourages criticism especially when facts are provided. Again, don't get it wrong, we could be "corporate enemies" but best of "personal friends". As the Ghanain proverb says - "In school, we learn the lessons before we take the exams; in life we learn the lessons after the exam". Finally, I plead with those of us who are still "uncomfortable" with Dr Fred Matiang'i, as Kenya's ICT Cabinet Secretary designate, to please be patient so we move on as one and united ICT fraternity.I hope he will accept to join this list. Good evening. Kind regards, Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke ________________________________ From: Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan@me.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why Dr Bitange Ndemo may have missed on the ICT docket +2 ( not for me and myself but for the 2 sentences.....:-) Eric here On 25 Apr 2013, at 10:53, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: What about taking stock of what Dr. Ndemo did for the ICT industry? We should be thanking him in a big way.
I think Mutoro should stop the sideshow.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
@ Mutoro, I have read your or cofek 'analysis' of why Dr. Ndemo missed out on the ICT docket. One reason you give is that of Kenya's participation to WICT which i quote:"The diplomatic row and the embarrassment that PS caused to Kenya delegation during the WICT in Dubai
has tarnished Kenya's name in the eyes of international community and particularly Africa. The PS came with members of civil society whom he had accredited to represent the Kenya Government through back door and completely ignored the advice from government representatives and started reading views prepared and presented to him by members of another delegation making Kenya appear like a colony of that state". This is misleading and as one of those 'civil society' members that participated, I want to set the record straight.
1. The accreditation was not through the back door as you purport. Please read Kenya's 2010 constitution article 10. You will see that participation of citizens is key in any policy making process whether local or international.
2. CCK convened a stakeholder's meeting on November 13, 2012 to discuss the ITRs. Several view points and recommendations emerged and were submitted to CCK (CCK had a deadline and our consolidated recommendations reached them on time). It was therefore expected that Kenya would have its own position.
3. It was in the spirit of Kenya's Constitution that Kenya's delegation embraced stakeholders, and civil society was one of them.
4. In Dubai, the ITU secretary General met with Civil Society representatives from different countries (Kenya was not the only country that had a multistakeholder delegation) and reported that he had written to governments encouraging them to include in their delegations stakeholders including civil society. How then is this backdoor accreditation when it is placed as a requirement in our supreme law, as well as recommended by the ITU? Why do you imply that civil society members should not have been at WICT?
5. What diplomatic row are you talking about? And why are you including in your 'analysis' rumors? Did you take time to understand the sticking points in the negotiations and therefore understand what Kenya's position needed to be in WICT? Can you table evidence that the PS read views prepared by another delegation? For your information, the very same issues we raised on November 13, became the same issues of contention at WICT.
Kindly check your facts before making certain claims.
Rgds Grace P.S. We must give credit where due. Dr. Ndemo has made immense contributions in the sector. Please do not be subjective about important issues like WICT just because you dont like him.
________________________________ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:35:46 -0700 From: smutoro@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
________________________________ From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
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Just confirmed in my dictionary that indeed slander and criticism have different meanings, and are usually designed to have seperate outcomes. On 25 Apr 2013 19:50, "stephen Mutoro" <smutoro@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks Eric, Dorcas, Paul and a few others:
With tremendous humility and respect I can muster, I must say that I welcome your (dis)encouraging criticism. When you criticize others, like I do at times, you must be ready for the same. But I would have responded, with evidence and I mean it, were it that my elder brother Dr Bitange Ndemo was the one asking for the same. I see the last time he tweeted was April 22, 2013. He hasn't been active here. I trust he is well. Unknown to many, especially those who purport to respond on his behalf, Dr Ndemo encourages criticism especially when facts are provided. Again, don't get it wrong, we could be "corporate enemies" but best of "personal friends". As the Ghanain proverb says - "In school, we learn the lessons before we take the exams; in life we learn the lessons after the exam".
Finally, I plead with those of us who are still "uncomfortable" with Dr Fred Matiang'i, as Kenya's ICT Cabinet Secretary designate, to please be patient so we move on as one and united ICT fraternity. I hope he will accept to join this list. Good evening.
Kind regards, Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
------------------------------ *From:* Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan@me.com> *To:* smutoro@yahoo.com *Cc:* "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:20 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Why Dr Bitange Ndemo may have missed on the ICT docket
+2 ( not for me and myself but for the 2 sentences.....:-)
Eric here
On 25 Apr 2013, at 10:53, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
What about taking stock of what Dr. Ndemo did for the ICT industry? We should be thanking him in a big way.
I think Mutoro should stop the sideshow.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
@ Mutoro, I have read your or cofek 'analysis' of why Dr. Ndemo missed out on the ICT docket. One reason you give is that of Kenya's participation to WICT which i quote: * "The diplomatic row and the embarrassment that PS caused to Kenya delegation during the WICT in Dubai has tarnished Kenya's name in the eyes of international community and particularly Africa. The PS came with members of civil society whom he had accredited to represent the Kenya Government through back door and completely ignored the advice from government representatives and started reading views prepared and presented to him by members of another delegation making Kenya appear like a colony of that state". * This is misleading and as one of those 'civil society' members that participated, I want to set the record straight.
1. The accreditation was not through the back door as you purport. Please read Kenya's 2010 constitution article 10. You will see that participation of citizens is key in any policy making process whether local or international.
2. CCK convened a stakeholder's meeting on November 13, 2012 to discuss the ITRs. Several view points and recommendations emerged and were submitted to CCK (CCK had a deadline and our consolidated recommendations reached them on time). It was therefore expected that Kenya would have its own position.
3. It was in the spirit of Kenya's Constitution that Kenya's delegation embraced stakeholders, and civil society was one of them.
4. In Dubai, the ITU secretary General met with Civil Society representatives from different countries (Kenya was not the only country that had a multistakeholder delegation) and reported that he had written to governments encouraging them to include in their delegations stakeholders including civil society. How then is this backdoor accreditation when it is placed as a requirement in our supreme law, as well as recommended by the ITU? Why do you imply that civil society members should not have been at WICT?
5. What diplomatic row are you talking about? And why are you including in your 'analysis' rumors? Did you take time to understand the sticking points in the negotiations and therefore understand what Kenya's position needed to be in WICT? Can you table evidence that the PS read views prepared by another delegation? For your information, the very same issues we raised on November 13, became the same issues of contention at WICT.
Kindly check your facts before making certain claims.
Rgds Grace P.S. We must give credit where due. Dr. Ndemo has made immense contributions in the sector. Please do not be subjective about important issues like WICT just because you dont like him.
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:35:46 -0700 From: smutoro@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* smutoro@yahoo.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu.
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Bwana Mutoro You are a great man. We accept your apology, after all we are all human and no one is infallible - The Bible and the Quran all talk about the same thing - Let those who have no sins/fault cast the first stone. On the issue of the ICT Secretary, questioning an appointment doesn't mean one is against him. The very essence of this list is intellectual discourse and we should try hard (very hard) not to discourage people from speaking their minds. I applaud you Sir. Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Apr 25, 2013, at 6:59 PM, stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks Eric, Dorcas, Paul and a few others:
With tremendous humility and respect I can muster, I must say that I welcome your (dis)encouraging criticism. When you criticize others, like I do at times, you must be ready for the same. But I would have responded, with evidence and I mean it, were it that my elder brother Dr Bitange Ndemo was the one asking for the same. I see the last time he tweeted was April 22, 2013. He hasn't been active here. I trust he is well. Unknown to many, especially those who purport to respond on his behalf, Dr Ndemo encourages criticism especially when facts are provided. Again, don't get it wrong, we could be "corporate enemies" but best of "personal friends". As the Ghanain proverb says - "In school, we learn the lessons before we take the exams; in life we learn the lessons after the exam".
Finally, I plead with those of us who are still "uncomfortable" with Dr Fred Matiang'i, as Kenya's ICT Cabinet Secretary designate, to please be patient so we move on as one and united ICT fraternity. I hope he will accept to join this list. Good evening.
Kind regards, Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
From: Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan@me.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why Dr Bitange Ndemo may have missed on the ICT docket
+2 ( not for me and myself but for the 2 sentences.....:-)
Eric here
On 25 Apr 2013, at 10:53, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
What about taking stock of what Dr. Ndemo did for the ICT industry? We should be thanking him in a big way.
I think Mutoro should stop the sideshow.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: @ Mutoro, I have read your or cofek 'analysis' of why Dr. Ndemo missed out on the ICT docket. One reason you give is that of Kenya's participation to WICT which i quote: "The diplomatic row and the embarrassment that PS caused to Kenya delegation during the WICT in Dubai has tarnished Kenya's name in the eyes of international community and particularly Africa. The PS came with members of civil society whom he had accredited to represent the Kenya Government through back door and completely ignored the advice from government representatives and started reading views prepared and presented to him by members of another delegation making Kenya appear like a colony of that state". This is misleading and as one of those 'civil society' members that participated, I want to set the record straight.
1. The accreditation was not through the back door as you purport. Please read Kenya's 2010 constitution article 10. You will see that participation of citizens is key in any policy making process whether local or international.
2. CCK convened a stakeholder's meeting on November 13, 2012 to discuss the ITRs. Several view points and recommendations emerged and were submitted to CCK (CCK had a deadline and our consolidated recommendations reached them on time). It was therefore expected that Kenya would have its own position.
3. It was in the spirit of Kenya's Constitution that Kenya's delegation embraced stakeholders, and civil society was one of them.
4. In Dubai, the ITU secretary General met with Civil Society representatives from different countries (Kenya was not the only country that had a multistakeholder delegation) and reported that he had written to governments encouraging them to include in their delegations stakeholders including civil society. How then is this backdoor accreditation when it is placed as a requirement in our supreme law, as well as recommended by the ITU? Why do you imply that civil society members should not have been at WICT?
5. What diplomatic row are you talking about? And why are you including in your 'analysis' rumors? Did you take time to understand the sticking points in the negotiations and therefore understand what Kenya's position needed to be in WICT? Can you table evidence that the PS read views prepared by another delegation? For your information, the very same issues we raised on November 13, became the same issues of contention at WICT.
Kindly check your facts before making certain claims.
Rgds Grace P.S. We must give credit where due. Dr. Ndemo has made immense contributions in the sector. Please do not be subjective about important issues like WICT just because you dont like him.
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:35:46 -0700 From: smutoro@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> To: smutoro@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu.
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Stephen asante Thank you for your email and for clarifying your position on the same. On your last point I agree that we prepare to welcome the new team. The Kenya ICT Board is already working to prepare to welcome the new Cabinet Secretary in terms of proper briefs to enable him to hit the ground running with respect to our programs and projects. regards Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:59 PM, stephen Mutoro <smutoro@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks Eric, Dorcas, Paul and a few others:
With tremendous humility and respect I can muster, I must say that I welcome your (dis)encouraging criticism. When you criticize others, like I do at times, you must be ready for the same. But I would have responded, with evidence and I mean it, were it that my elder brother Dr Bitange Ndemo was the one asking for the same. I see the last time he tweeted was April 22, 2013. He hasn't been active here. I trust he is well. Unknown to many, especially those who purport to respond on his behalf, Dr Ndemo encourages criticism especially when facts are provided. Again, don't get it wrong, we could be "corporate enemies" but best of "personal friends". As the Ghanain proverb says - "In school, we learn the lessons before we take the exams; in life we learn the lessons after the exam".
Finally, I plead with those of us who are still "uncomfortable" with Dr Fred Matiang'i, as Kenya's ICT Cabinet Secretary designate, to please be patient so we move on as one and united ICT fraternity. I hope he will accept to join this list. Good evening.
Kind regards, Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
------------------------------ *From:* Eric Osiakwan <ericosiakwan@me.com> *To:* smutoro@yahoo.com *Cc:* "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:20 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Why Dr Bitange Ndemo may have missed on the ICT docket
+2 ( not for me and myself but for the 2 sentences.....:-)
Eric here
On 25 Apr 2013, at 10:53, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
What about taking stock of what Dr. Ndemo did for the ICT industry? We should be thanking him in a big way.
I think Mutoro should stop the sideshow.
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
@ Mutoro, I have read your or cofek 'analysis' of why Dr. Ndemo missed out on the ICT docket. One reason you give is that of Kenya's participation to WICT which i quote: * "The diplomatic row and the embarrassment that PS caused to Kenya delegation during the WICT in Dubai has tarnished Kenya's name in the eyes of international community and particularly Africa. The PS came with members of civil society whom he had accredited to represent the Kenya Government through back door and completely ignored the advice from government representatives and started reading views prepared and presented to him by members of another delegation making Kenya appear like a colony of that state". * This is misleading and as one of those 'civil society' members that participated, I want to set the record straight.
1. The accreditation was not through the back door as you purport. Please read Kenya's 2010 constitution article 10. You will see that participation of citizens is key in any policy making process whether local or international.
2. CCK convened a stakeholder's meeting on November 13, 2012 to discuss the ITRs. Several view points and recommendations emerged and were submitted to CCK (CCK had a deadline and our consolidated recommendations reached them on time). It was therefore expected that Kenya would have its own position.
3. It was in the spirit of Kenya's Constitution that Kenya's delegation embraced stakeholders, and civil society was one of them.
4. In Dubai, the ITU secretary General met with Civil Society representatives from different countries (Kenya was not the only country that had a multistakeholder delegation) and reported that he had written to governments encouraging them to include in their delegations stakeholders including civil society. How then is this backdoor accreditation when it is placed as a requirement in our supreme law, as well as recommended by the ITU? Why do you imply that civil society members should not have been at WICT?
5. What diplomatic row are you talking about? And why are you including in your 'analysis' rumors? Did you take time to understand the sticking points in the negotiations and therefore understand what Kenya's position needed to be in WICT? Can you table evidence that the PS read views prepared by another delegation? For your information, the very same issues we raised on November 13, became the same issues of contention at WICT.
Kindly check your facts before making certain claims.
Rgds Grace P.S. We must give credit where due. Dr. Ndemo has made immense contributions in the sector. Please do not be subjective about important issues like WICT just because you dont like him.
------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:35:46 -0700 From: smutoro@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Dear Walubengo:
He is the one. Dr Matiang'i is a great man. He taught me West African Literature at the University of Nairobi! You may also be interested to see why your good friend Dr Ndemo will have to bid farewell to the ICT Ministry where he has literally made his second home for the last years. He has been anti-consumer and we wish him well - whether he is appointed as CS or a PS in any other Ministry. http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1529%3Awhy-ndemo-may-have-been-missed-on-the-ict-docket&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=60
Kind regards,
Stephen Mutoro www.cofek.co.ke
------------------------------ *From:* Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> *To:* smutoro@yahoo.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT
It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy.
http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf...
walu.
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Yes, he's the man From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: April 23, 2013 6:38 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT It appears the above is our new Cabinet Sec. for ICT. Anyone with some background, bio on him? Google is returning this - but not sure if he is our guy. http://www.cid.suny.edu/about_us/staff_in_focus/about_staff_in_focus_fred.cf... walu.
It seems Dr. Ndemo was busy working and putting Kenya on the map while others were lobbying. We look forward to working with Dr. Matiangi. Although his CV does not show much on ICT, it is full of diplomacy, lobbying and achievement on many fronts. Let us all wish him well, cooperate on all positive initiatives he will spearhead, and condemn every effort to take us back to the neolithic period. Lastly and foremost, Bwana Matiangi, welcome to Kictanet -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
Hi, My take is that the interpretation of the title Information, Communication and Technology (ICT) is that they are 3 distinct and independent functions in which case the I and the T have been screwed. We are back to the drawing board in as far as the development of ICT has we know it is concerned, I can assure you that his first act after vetting will be to implement the 60% local content rule which will confirm my fears that his area of specialisation is communication in the narrow sense of the word. It took us many years to get Ndemo to his current level of appreciation of ICT as indivisible, I hope there are some young and energetic minds out there that are ready to spoon feed Dr. Matiangi and I pray that Mutoro is not on that panel otherwise it shall be a double whammy. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 19:50 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT It seems Dr. Ndemo was busy working and putting Kenya on the map while others were lobbying. We look forward to working with Dr. Matiangi. Although his CV does not show much on ICT, it is full of diplomacy, lobbying and achievement on many fronts. Let us all wish him well, cooperate on all positive initiatives he will spearhead, and condemn every effort to take us back to the neolithic period. Lastly and foremost, Bwana Matiangi, welcome to Kictanet -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hi, My take is that the interpretation of the title Information, Communication and Technology (ICT) is that they are 3 distinct and independent functions in which case the I and the T have been screwed. We are back to the drawing board in as far as the development of ICT has we know it is concerned, I can assure you that his first act after vetting will be to implement the 60% local content rule which will confirm my fears that his area of specialisation is communication in the narrow sense of the word. It took us many years to get Ndemo to his current level of appreciation of ICT as indivisible, I hope there are some young and energetic minds out there that are ready to spoon feed Dr. Matiangi and I pray that Mutoro is not on that panel otherwise it shall be a double whammy Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 19:50 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fred Matiangi, Cabinet Secretary for ICT It seems Dr. Ndemo was busy working and putting Kenya on the map while others were lobbying. We look forward to working with Dr. Matiangi. Although his CV does not show much on ICT, it is full of diplomacy, lobbying and achievement on many fronts. Let us all wish him well, cooperate on all positive initiatives he will spearhead, and condemn every effort to take us back to the neolithic period. Lastly and foremost, Bwana Matiangi, welcome to Kictanet -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
It could be that Dr Ndemo was passed over in this selection because just like me he has more than two children - thus is overqualified :) look carefully and see how many children each nominee has... On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
It seems Dr. Ndemo was busy working and putting Kenya on the map while others were lobbying.
We look forward to working with Dr. Matiangi. Although his CV does not show much on ICT, it is full of diplomacy, lobbying and achievement on many fronts.
Let us all wish him well, cooperate on all positive initiatives he will spearhead, and condemn every effort to take us back to the neolithic period.
Lastly and foremost, Bwana Matiangi, welcome to Kictanet
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James, You have missed my point! I fully agree with all you are saying and I stated so in my email. What I am saying is that given where we are as a country we CANNOT afford to ignore mid term gains and we have read in this list what it did for the Bernards of this world. Yes, the long term gains in the next 12years (when the standard one student finishes O level and can now out things into real practice) will be excellent for the nation BUT we must put in measures in place for the mid term gains by not ignoring these young students in high school who are already hungry for more...in fact four years is less than mid-term. A balance is definitely needed here. Regards, Gilda Odera On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:19 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Gilda
You have missed the point. The effort here is not to introduce packages early for high school students, it is to transform an entire generation's mind set to be ready by the time it hits Form 1 to conceptualize and model complex problems that can revolutionize this country.
We are not saying all the students will be computer whizzes, but the Zuckerbergs and Bill Gates and Steve Jobs amongst us will be captured early. By the time they reach those other stages not only will they be many but their minds will be ready for introduction of complex problems like multi-dimensional modeling, nanotechnology and all these other things we discuss here.
Waiting till Form 1 is too late, Chinese, Indians, Americans are already well ahead. We must start with them and I guarantee you by high school there will be no difference between the tech savvy Kenyan kid and the tech savvy American one from coding to gaming to IT security name it.
And the good thing is that by that time most of these kids do not want your job, they want to strike out on their own and do their own things hence creating employment.
JG
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote: Hi Robert,
Let's meet early next week and discuss offline.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 2:37 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Gilda,
I believe we have exhausted the forum stage and it is time we presented some of this issues to the Jubilee team so that they can start making adjustments to the policy.
So who wants to join the team that will bell the cat?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 11:22 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Bernard's email confirms my thoughts. Within four years in high school he mastered how to use the computers and is now writing software for companies across Africa! Now imagine replicating this with thousands of high school students...in four years this country will be reading amazing stories. And what's more, we will be tackling unemployment issues at the same time to some good extent.
Now, don't get me wrong- I fully support the fact that kids should be given a similar chance. However, my take is that next year it should be piloted to get it right. Instead of giving all the 800,000 primary children laptops, pilot 200,000 and give the rest to high school students. Go through the curve for the primary children to see what challenges lie there. Once addressed, roll out further the following year. Meanwhile, you will be having some thousands of high school students already on the way to maximising their potential.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Bernard, Please watch these two clips.
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html
The current pedagogy is under threat. It is time for a paradigm shift in education.
Ndemo.
Personal experience:
I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe.
A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed.
Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa.
When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history.
If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case!
With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself.
Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better.
Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-080
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Hi,
I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university.
I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma"
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Gilda +1. We must have our sights on short, mid and long term goals. We must be able to pluck the low hanging fruits so that we can anticipate the wait for the ones to come from the fruit trees we plant today. Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
James,
You have missed my point! I fully agree with all you are saying and I stated so in my email. What I am saying is that given where we are as a country we CANNOT afford to ignore mid term gains and we have read in this list what it did for the Bernards of this world. Yes, the long term gains in the next 12years (when the standard one student finishes O level and can now out things into real practice) will be excellent for the nation BUT we must put in measures in place for the mid term gains by not ignoring these young students in high school who are already hungry for more...in fact four years is less than mid-term. A balance is definitely needed here.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:19 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Gilda
You have missed the point. The effort here is not to introduce packages early for high school students, it is to transform an entire generation's mind set to be ready by the time it hits Form 1 to conceptualize and model complex problems that can revolutionize this country.
We are not saying all the students will be computer whizzes, but the Zuckerbergs and Bill Gates and Steve Jobs amongst us will be captured early. By the time they reach those other stages not only will they be many but their minds will be ready for introduction of complex problems like multi-dimensional modeling, nanotechnology and all these other things we discuss here.
Waiting till Form 1 is too late, Chinese, Indians, Americans are already well ahead. We must start with them and I guarantee you by high school there will be no difference between the tech savvy Kenyan kid and the tech savvy American one from coding to gaming to IT security name it.
And the good thing is that by that time most of these kids do not want your job, they want to strike out on their own and do their own things hence creating employment.
JG
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
Hi Robert,
Let's meet early next week and discuss offline.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 23, 2013, at 2:37 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Gilda,
I believe we have exhausted the forum stage and it is time we presented some of this issues to the Jubilee team so that they can start making adjustments to the policy.
So who wants to join the team that will bell the cat?
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013, 11:22 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Bernard's email confirms my thoughts. Within four years in high school he mastered how to use the computers and is now writing software for companies across Africa! Now imagine replicating this with thousands of high school students...in four years this country will be reading amazing stories. And what's more, we will be tackling unemployment issues at the same time to some good extent.
Now, don't get me wrong- I fully support the fact that kids should be given a similar chance. However, my take is that next year it should be piloted to get it right. Instead of giving all the 800,000 primary children laptops, pilot 200,000 and give the rest to high school students. Go through the curve for the primary children to see what challenges lie there. Once addressed, roll out further the following year. Meanwhile, you will be having some thousands of high school students already on the way to maximising their potential.
Regards,
Gilda Odera
On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:57 PM, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Bernard, Please watch these two clips.
http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_changing_education_paradigms.html
The current pedagogy is under threat. It is time for a paradigm shift in education.
Ndemo.
Personal experience:
I first saw a computer when I went to FORM 1 at Starehe.
A student named Chris Ochieng joined Starehe a year later. He had grown up with a computer in his father's house and had learnt at his very young age how to write software. He would come into the computer room on Saturday afternoon when we were not allowed to play computer games and all computer games diskettes were stored away. He would write a game for us and we would play the game. From him, we learnt a lot more and got the confidence we needed.
Today both Chris & I write software for some of the leading organizations across Africa.
When I left Starehe, I couldn't afford going to University due to the fees needed (I was sponsored at Starehe) BUT I didn't need to because the knowledge acquired from Starehe gave me a well paying job the afternoon after my last KCSE paper. The rest is history.
If anyone doubts the value having children exposed to computers will have on this Nation, please take it from me, if it was not for computers exposed to me at Form 1, I would have left Form 4 at Starehe, not had fees to proceed to campus and therefore languish in poverty - job seeking forever. NOW, imagine if computers were exposed to me in Std 1..how I wish this was the case!
With the little acquired from this, my company this year celebrates 20yrs of existence as a software company and we employ several university graduates - yet I have never been to a university myself.
Whether Std 1 is the right time or if its Std 4 or Form 1, I wouldn't know but I know the earlier the better.
Give these children the chance, if the President says we can afford it J
Kind Regards,
Bernard Kioko Chief Executive Officer
Bernsoft Interactive Limited
P.O.Box 15177-00100 Nbi,Kenya
Office: +254-703-080-080
Mobile: +254-722-540-883
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: bkioko@bernsoft.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
Hi,
I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university.
I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having
http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age
You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma"
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While the laptops for schools is a great initiative, I hope there will be sufficient local educational content available for use. Laptops minus content will have little effect. There needs to be a push to develop relevant digital content for schools. I am currently involved in conducting a pilot project to measure the impact of use of eBooks in schools. We are surveying public schools in Nairobi and rural areas. I have encountered a number of schools that have various devices such as e-Readers, Tablets, Laptops, Smartboards. But their biggest challenge has been obtaining local educational content that is KIE approved. We are currently engaging Kenyan publishers through the Kenya Publishers Association to encourage them to begin converting their books into eBooks. Peres Were Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+peres_were=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 09:57:58 To: Peres Were<peres_were@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/peres_were%40yahoo.co.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
In the US, most primary schools have computer labs and secondary school students carry laptops. Why? Young children need exposure as early as possible but a 1 to 1 ratio is overkill. These machines will be obsolete by the time the class one students reach anywhere near class 5 when more serious research projects are started. The effort is in the right place, however there still needs to be more thought into the deployment to maximize return on investment in terms of human capital. Crystal
Hi, Please watch this TED video by a 12 year old developer http://www.ted.com/talks/thomas_suarez_a_12_year_old_app_developer.html?sour... Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 10:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears In the US, most primary schools have computer labs and secondary school students carry laptops. Why? Young children need exposure as early as possible but a 1 to 1 ratio is overkill. These machines will be obsolete by the time the class one students reach anywhere near class 5 when more serious research projects are started. The effort is in the right place, however there still needs to be more thought into the deployment to maximize return on investment in terms of human capital. Crystal _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
When Gutenberg invented the printing press in 1440, only about 30 percent of adult Europeans could read. Before that, most people learned from other people, through stories, explanations and demonstrations. Books existed, but they were produced by hand, painstakingly, one at a time. With books so expensive and rare, only those wealthy enough to afford them learned to read. Then the printing press made books and other printed materials readily available, and literacy rates began to climb. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 18:51 Subject: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified Hi, Please watch this TED video by a 12 year old developer http://www.ted.com/talks/thomas_suarez_a_12_year_old_app_developer.html?sour... Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 10:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears In the US, most primary schools have computer labs and secondary school students carry laptops. Why? Young children need exposure as early as possible but a 1 to 1 ratio is overkill. These machines will be obsolete by the time the class one students reach anywhere near class 5 when more serious research projects are started. The effort is in the right place, however there still needs to be more thought into the deployment to maximize return on investment in terms of human capital. Crystal _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
That video is really inspiring Robert! It *justifies!* I think the way to beat obsolescence is to schedule new devices every three years. Sincerely, Cleophas On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:06 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
When Gutenberg invented the printing press in 1440, only about 30 percent of adult Europeans could read. Before that, most people learned from other people, through stories, explanations and demonstrations. Books existed, but they were produced by hand, painstakingly, one at a time. With books so expensive and rare, only those wealthy enough to afford them learned to read.
Then the printing press made books and other printed materials readily available, and literacy rates began to climb.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 18:51 *Subject:* Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified
Hi,
Please watch this TED video by a 12 year old developer
http://www.ted.com/talks/thomas_suarez_a_12_year_old_app_developer.html?sour...
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 10:25 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
In the US, most primary schools have computer labs and secondary school students carry laptops. Why? Young children need exposure as early as possible but a 1 to 1 ratio is overkill. These machines will be obsolete by the time the class one students reach anywhere near class 5 when more serious research projects are started. The effort is in the right place, however there still needs to be more thought into the deployment to maximize return on investment in terms of human capital. Crystal
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Hi all, Sony have joined the fray Now that application is definitely ideal for Class 1 and they can afford the Kes. 288 million tender bond. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Cleophas Barmasai <cbarmasai@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 10:27 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified That video is really inspiring Robert! It justifies! I think the way to beat obsolescence is to schedule new devices every three years. Sincerely, Cleophas On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:06 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: When Gutenberg invented the printing press in 1440, only about 30 percent of adult Europeans could read. Before that, most people learned from other people, through stories, explanations and demonstrations. Books existed, but they were produced by hand, painstakingly, one at a time. With books so expensive and rare, only those wealthy enough to afford them learned to read.
Then the printing press made books and other printed materials readily available, and literacy rates began to climb. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 18:51 Subject: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified
Hi,
Please watch this TED video by a 12 year old developer
http://www.ted.com/talks/thomas_suarez_a_12_year_old_app_developer.html?sour...
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 10:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
In the US, most primary schools have computer labs and secondary school students carry laptops. Why? Young children need exposure as early as possible but a 1 to 1 ratio is overkill. These machines will be obsolete by the time the class one students reach anywhere near class 5 when more serious research projects are started. The effort is in the right place, however there still needs to be more thought into the deployment to maximize return on investment in terms of human capital. Crystal _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Please do a computer laboratory instead. This way, all the school will be covered, and the cost will be low since upgrade will be after say 3 years. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 12 August 2013 10:50, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,
Sony have joined the fray
[image: http://allthingsd.com/files/2012/10/Tap_White_04_WithHands_layflatA.jpg]
Now that application is definitely ideal for Class 1 and they can afford the Kes. 288 million tender bond.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Cleophas Barmasai <cbarmasai@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Monday, 12 August 2013, 10:27 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified
That video is really inspiring Robert! It *justifies!* I think the way to beat obsolescence is to schedule new devices every three years.
Sincerely,
Cleophas
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:06 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
When Gutenberg invented the printing press in 1440, only about 30 percent of adult Europeans could read. Before that, most people learned from other people, through stories, explanations and demonstrations. Books existed, but they were produced by hand, painstakingly, one at a time. With books so expensive and rare, only those wealthy enough to afford them learned to read.
Then the printing press made books and other printed materials readily available, and literacy rates began to climb.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 18:51 *Subject:* Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified
Hi,
Please watch this TED video by a 12 year old developer
http://www.ted.com/talks/thomas_suarez_a_12_year_old_app_developer.html?sour...
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 10:25 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
In the US, most primary schools have computer labs and secondary school students carry laptops. Why? Young children need exposure as early as possible but a 1 to 1 ratio is overkill. These machines will be obsolete by the time the class one students reach anywhere near class 5 when more serious research projects are started. The effort is in the right place, however there still needs to be more thought into the deployment to maximize return on investment in terms of human capital. Crystal
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I second the thoughts of Lakin in that there is very little explanation as to how any of this is to be done. If the KIE has been working on this for the past 7 years, why are they not leading the conversation? Why are politicians who are clueless the leading experts on this? Basic figures and where the funding will come from not just saying govt will pay. Its rather hilarious that politicians and even senior officials talk about the government like it is a foreign body that they are not part of. Who is the lead on the laptop project and by extension tech in the education sector? The ominous Ministry of Education? On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Please do a computer laboratory instead. This way, all the school will be covered, and the cost will be low since upgrade will be after say 3 years.
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 12 August 2013 10:50, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,
Sony have joined the fray
[image: http://allthingsd.com/files/2012/10/Tap_White_04_WithHands_layflatA.jpg]
Now that application is definitely ideal for Class 1 and they can afford the Kes. 288 million tender bond.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Cleophas Barmasai <cbarmasai@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Monday, 12 August 2013, 10:27 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified
That video is really inspiring Robert! It *justifies!* I think the way to beat obsolescence is to schedule new devices every three years.
Sincerely,
Cleophas
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:06 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
When Gutenberg invented the printing press in 1440, only about 30 percent of adult Europeans could read. Before that, most people learned from other people, through stories, explanations and demonstrations. Books existed, but they were produced by hand, painstakingly, one at a time. With books so expensive and rare, only those wealthy enough to afford them learned to read.
Then the printing press made books and other printed materials readily available, and literacy rates began to climb.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 18:51 *Subject:* Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified
Hi,
Please watch this TED video by a 12 year old developer
http://www.ted.com/talks/thomas_suarez_a_12_year_old_app_developer.html?sour...
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 10:25 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
In the US, most primary schools have computer labs and secondary school students carry laptops. Why? Young children need exposure as early as possible but a 1 to 1 ratio is overkill. These machines will be obsolete by the time the class one students reach anywhere near class 5 when more serious research projects are started. The effort is in the right place, however there still needs to be more thought into the deployment to maximize return on investment in terms of human capital. Crystal
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I have a laptop from 2000 and children nothing. So there is nothing like obsolete. These 3 years story is for corporate work. Thanks that is what I thinking have been industry for over 14. Sent from my iKamire network. On Aug 12, 2013, at 12:48, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: I second the thoughts of Lakin in that there is very little explanation as to how any of this is to be done. If the KIE has been working on this for the past 7 years, why are they not leading the conversation? Why are politicians who are clueless the leading experts on this? Basic figures and where the funding will come from not just saying govt will pay. Its rather hilarious that politicians and even senior officials talk about the government like it is a foreign body that they are not part of. Who is the lead on the laptop project and by extension tech in the education sector? The ominous Ministry of Education? On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Please do a computer laboratory instead. This way, all the school will be covered, and the cost will be low since upgrade will be after say 3 years.
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On 12 August 2013 10:50, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,
Sony have joined the fray
Now that application is definitely ideal for Class 1 and they can afford the Kes. 288 million tender bond.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 10:27 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified
That video is really inspiring Robert! It justifies! I think the way to beat obsolescence is to schedule new devices every three years.
Sincerely,
Cleophas
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:06 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: When Gutenberg invented the printing press in 1440, only about 30 percent of adult Europeans could read. Before that, most people learned from other people, through stories, explanations and demonstrations. Books existed, but they were produced by hand, painstakingly, one at a time. With books so expensive and rare, only those wealthy enough to afford them learned to read.
Then the printing press made books and other printed materials readily available, and literacy rates began to climb.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 18:51 Subject: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified
Hi,
Please watch this TED video by a 12 year old developer
http://www.ted.com/talks/thomas_suarez_a_12_year_old_app_developer.html?sour...
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 10:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
In the US, most primary schools have computer labs and secondary school students carry laptops. Why? Young children need exposure as early as possible but a 1 to 1 ratio is overkill. These machines will be obsolete by the time the class one students reach anywhere near class 5 when more serious research projects are started. The effort is in the right place, however there still needs to be more thought into the deployment to maximize return on investment in terms of human capital. Crystal
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If there is a policy in place for the last 7 years, then the Ministry of Education and other relevant Government institutions, i.e. Ministry of Ed KICD/KIE should lead the project. In any case, the policy should not be narrowly focused to laptops and Class 1( 2014) even if it is for a start, as it is. The policy should at least address computer for all public primary schools, if not secondary schools, and should be long-term, even if implementation is to narrowed to Class 1 for a start. To be sustainable, the policy should broadly cover the computer for school inline with the government strategic plans. Its formulation should be consultative and participatory in nature, giving an opportunity to all the stakeholders to be on board. This will enable alignment of the policy implementation to its formulation at least to benefit all school pupils, not a chosen few. For strategy to be sustainable, it should be about choices, not sacred cows or politically driven projects, which often end up to be white elephants resulting into sunk-costs. Why Laptops? Why not Computer Labs? Computer labs for every primary school will provide opportunity for sharing from class 1 to class 8. It will be less costly and easier to implement, and feasible to upgrade when required, even if it is to be done in phases. Also the teachers will not be trained will to teach only class 1. Why train a few teachers to teach only class 1? This is pure waste of resources. There was a time when the the government wanted to introduce mobile computer labs installed in vehicles, some kind of mobile buses in each constituency. The main argument was that the facility was to be shared by the schools within a constituency. This was being done without considering other challenges such as the nonexistence of or poor road network and nonavailability of electricity in rural areas. Luckily enough this project was abandoned before national resources were wasted. The baby was thrown out with water in basin. Laptops for each child without a classroom makes no senses particularly in rural areas where pupils are learning under trees and writing on the their laps or using dust on the ground as slates. The laptop idea is noble but the computer labs is a better choice, at least every school may have what can be called a classroom where there is none. A computer lab may be used not only for computer lessons. Of courser the suppliers of the laptops, bet it the Huaweis, ZTEs and the Sonys etc. will definitely support the the idea as they will not only supply Laptops for Class 1 2014, but come 2015 and the subsequent years, there will be Class 1 every year as they continue with their supplies as Kenyans will be painfully paying as they laugh to the bank. Regards VKO ________________________________ From: Thomas Kamire <tkamire@gmail.com> To: volunga@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified I have a laptop from 2000 and children nothing. So there is nothing like obsolete. These 3 years story is for corporate work. Thanks that is what I thinking have been industry for over 14. Sent from my iKamire network. On Aug 12, 2013, at 12:48, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: I second the thoughts of Lakin in that there is very little explanation as to how any of this is to be done. If the KIE has been working on this for the past 7 years, why are they not leading the conversation? Why are politicians who are clueless the leading experts on this? Basic figures and where the funding will come from not just saying govt will pay. Its rather hilarious that politicians and even senior officials talk about the government like it is a foreign body that they are not part of. Who is the lead on the laptop project and by extension tech in the education sector? The ominous Ministry of Education? On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Please do a computer laboratory instead. This way, all the school will be covered, and the cost will be low since upgrade will be after say 3 years.
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh
google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 12 August 2013 10:50, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,
Sony have joined the fray
Now that application is definitely ideal for Class 1 and they can afford the Kes. 288 million tender bond.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Cleophas Barmasai <cbarmasai@gmail.com>
To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 10:27 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified
That video is really inspiring Robert! It justifies! I think the way to beat obsolescence is to schedule new devices every three years.
Sincerely,
Cleophas
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:06 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
When Gutenberg invented the printing press in 1440, only about 30 percent of adult Europeans could read. Before that, most
people learned from other people, through stories, explanations and demonstrations. Books existed, but they were produced by hand, painstakingly, one at a time. With books so expensive and rare, only those wealthy enough to afford them learned to read.
Then the printing press made books and other printed materials readily available, and literacy rates began to climb. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 18:51 Subject: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified
Hi,
Please watch this TED video by a 12 year old developer
http://www.ted.com/talks/thomas_suarez_a_12_year_old_app_developer.html?sour...
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 10:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
In the US, most primary schools have computer labs and secondary school students carry laptops. Why? Young children need exposure as early as possible but a 1 to 1 ratio is overkill. These machines will be obsolete by the time the class one students reach anywhere near class 5 when more serious research projects are started. The effort is in the right place, however there still needs to be more thought into the deployment to maximize return on investment in terms of human capital. Crystal _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Hi Listers, As many of us continue to throw stones in the dark I have decided to acquire a lantern and in addition light it so that I have some semblance of visibility. My children, 3 of them, have the unfair advantage of living in a house with a PC ratio of 1.2:1 with dedicated internet access and electricity in the home which is a situation that I would like to see made available to all children across the social and geographical divide. Many of us believe that if such resources were to be made available to all and sundry then their own children will have to work harder to rise above the rest so they prefer to exclude as many other children so as to continue sheltering their progeny. This level of selfishness has been played out in may facets including wanting to have children from private primary schools given total and absolute access to National secondary schools therefore further marginalising those from maginalised regions, which is extremely scary when a majority of those advocating this where beneficiaries of regional representation at National schools and University programs. Back to my main point, my children are on holiday and they have been having too much fan playing kaati and warframe and with the burning of holiday classes they are not being forced to be in class during the holiday so I decided to use them to test the "blended" learning that I have been propagating in support of the Jubilee directive so I registered as a coach on Khan Academy and have been monitoring their activities remotely. See the attached reports and extrapolate it to class, school, division, district oops county and national level to appreciate how much better our education will become, as we sleep and fight over petty side shows the rest of the world is moving in this direction and as we are not an island we shall soon feel the effects. Teachers will become more accountable on a daily basis not after the class 8 results when all the students have failed and been relegated to perpetual poverty and no sensible corrective action can be taken, we moved from writing on the soil, to the slate then the exercise book the natural progression is an electronic device and trying to stop it is like "preventing a pregnant woman from giving birth - Raila Odinga on the new constitution". We either midwife this delivery or stand aside as attempting an abortion at this stage in time will likely be detrimental to both mother and child. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Listers, http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/Kindles+replace+textbooks+... Wouldn't kindles be an affordable method of going about this digitisation? Also fewer points of failure and ready available content. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:13 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi Listers,
As many of us continue to throw stones in the dark I have decided to acquire a lantern and in addition light it so that I have some semblance of visibility.
My children, 3 of them, have the unfair advantage of living in a house with a PC ratio of 1.2:1 with dedicated internet access and electricity in the home which is a situation that I would like to see made available to all children across the social and geographical divide.
Many of us believe that if such resources were to be made available to all and sundry then their own children will have to work harder to rise above the rest so they prefer to exclude as many other children so as to continue sheltering their progeny.
This level of selfishness has been played out in may facets including wanting to have children from private primary schools given total and absolute access to National secondary schools therefore further marginalising those from maginalised regions, which is extremely scary when a majority of those advocating this where beneficiaries of regional representation at National schools and University programs.
Back to my main point, my children are on holiday and they have been having too much fan playing kaati and warframe and with the burning of holiday classes they are not being forced to be in class during the holiday so I decided to use them to test the "blended" learning that I have been propagating in support of the Jubilee directive so I registered as a coach on Khan Academy and have been monitoring their activities remotely.
See the attached reports and extrapolate it to class, school, division, district oops county and national level to appreciate how much better our education will become, as we sleep and fight over petty side shows the rest of the world is moving in this direction and as we are not an island we shall soon feel the effects.
Teachers will become more accountable on a daily basis not after the class 8 results when all the students have failed and been relegated to perpetual poverty and no sensible corrective action can be taken, we moved from writing on the soil, to the slate then the exercise book the natural progression is an electronic device and trying to stop it is like "preventing a pregnant woman from giving birth - Raila Odinga on the new constitution".
We either midwife this delivery or stand aside as attempting an abortion at this stage in time will likely be detrimental to both mother and child.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Listers While we discuss if class 1 students should get laptops there counter parts are assembling their own computers and writing code, let us remember that the world is now a global village. http://www.wired.com/design/2013/12/for-99-you-can-make-your-own-computer/ Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 On Thursday, 29 August 2013, 10:26, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: Listers, http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/Kindles+replace+textbooks+... Wouldn't kindles be an affordable method of going about this digitisation? Also fewer points of failure and ready available content. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:13 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi Listers,
As many of us continue to throw stones in the dark I have decided to acquire a lantern and in addition light it so that I have some semblance of visibility.
My children, 3 of them, have the unfair advantage of living in a house with a PC ratio of 1.2:1 with dedicated internet access and electricity in the home which is a situation that I would like to see made available to all children across the social and geographical divide.
Many of us believe that if such resources were to be made available to all and sundry then their own children will have to work harder to rise above the rest so they prefer to exclude as many other children so as to continue sheltering their progeny.
This level of selfishness has been played out in may facets including wanting to have children from private primary schools given total and absolute access to National secondary schools therefore further marginalising those from maginalised regions, which is extremely scary when a majority of those advocating this where beneficiaries of regional representation at National schools and University programs.
Back to my main point, my children are on holiday and they have been having too much fan playing kaati and warframe and with the burning of holiday classes they are not being forced to be in class during the holiday so I decided to use them to test the "blended" learning that I have been propagating in support of the Jubilee directive so I registered as a coach on Khan Academy and have been monitoring their activities remotely.
See the attached reports and extrapolate it to class, school, division, district oops county and national level to appreciate how much better our education will become, as we sleep and fight over petty side shows the rest of the world is moving in this direction and as we are not an island we shall soon feel the effects.
Teachers will become more accountable on a daily basis not after the class 8 results when all the students have failed and been relegated to perpetual poverty and no sensible corrective action can be taken, we moved from writing on the soil, to the slate then the exercise book the natural progression is an electronic device and trying to stop it is like "preventing a pregnant woman from giving birth - Raila Odinga on the new constitution".
We either midwife this delivery or stand aside as attempting an abortion at this stage in time will likely be detrimental to both mother and child.
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Government policy is somewhat a controversial topic to discuss. But it is better to go back to the basics. Government policy is a statement on government actions, plans or intent specified through cabinet memos, policy (or sessional) papers approved by the national assembly, presidential statements, ministerial statements, etc. Policy is further clarified through bills, budgets and regulations which provide details on implementing agencies, procedures,, offences, funding, technology and other finer details If we assume that this is true, then the next question is what is the policy of the government as regards the lap-top project? The general view is that the policy aims to provide alternative learning through multimedia to all levels of learning from primary school to university and for continuing education.” As per the existing technology, multimedia educational content access could be through desk-top computers with internet connection, lap-tops/ipads with preloaded content or smart phones. Therefore, what could the most appropriate implementing legislation in the current scenario? It could read like “The Government will promote the use of multimedia technology to support learning in all public schools, colleges and universities” Do we have adequate legal instruments? Yes we only need refinement. The government has three laws, i.e the Education Act, the Information and Communication Act and the Finance Act 2013. How could you take into account the issue of changing technology? You could insert a statement in the education that “All public schools will access approved multimedia content through devices that comply to approved standards. The standards will be revised from time to time and gazetted in the Kenya Gazette.” This will provide room for the Government to set up a committee to consult and set standards covering content, computational hardware (CPU speed, memory capacity, etc), internet access, screen size, power, disability support, etc. In addition to the technology, what else could be in the regulations? You could consider including “Free laptops will be provided to all students joining primary school. The Cabinet Secretary may add other classes through notice in the Kenya Gazette.” Clearly it gets more complicated as you address regulations. Policy therefore becomes a continuing process. Let me hear you views …. James Kulubi ________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: jkulubi@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 10:50 Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified Hi all, Sony have joined the fray Now that application is definitely ideal for Class 1 and they can afford the Kes. 288 million tender bond. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Cleophas Barmasai <cbarmasai@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 10:27 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified That video is really inspiring Robert! It justifies! I think the way to beat obsolescence is to schedule new devices every three years. Sincerely, Cleophas On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:06 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: When Gutenberg invented the printing press in 1440, only about 30 percent of adult Europeans could read. Before that, most people learned from other people, through stories, explanations and demonstrations. Books existed, but they were produced by hand, painstakingly, one at a time. With books so expensive and rare, only those wealthy enough to afford them learned to read.
Then the printing press made books and other printed materials readily available, and literacy rates began to climb. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013, 18:51 Subject: Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - justified
Hi,
Please watch this TED video by a 12 year old developer
http://www.ted.com/talks/thomas_suarez_a_12_year_old_app_developer.html?sour...
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 10:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears
In the US, most primary schools have computer labs and secondary school students carry laptops. Why? Young children need exposure as early as possible but a 1 to 1 ratio is overkill. These machines will be obsolete by the time the class one students reach anywhere near class 5 when more serious research projects are started. The effort is in the right place, however there still needs to be more thought into the deployment to maximize return on investment in terms of human capital. Crystal _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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I hear you..., that is where the priority lies. From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+godera=skyweb.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:52 AM To: godera@skyweb.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Laptops for 2014 class 1 entrants - fears Hi, I have kept wondering why many people want to delay the introduction of computers to those either in secondary or even university. I came across this article which explains the fears many of us are having http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130422020049-8451-the-tech-indu stry-s-darkest-secret-it-s-all-about-age You might also want to watch the following presentation I gave at the University of Nairobi on the issue termed "the professional students dilemma" http://youtu.be/9b4BJ7iTOfA Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____
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