A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo *We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment* http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index.... -- Muthoni My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:- First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our streets and estates!" His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic economic that any country can master. India went that way through the leadership of Mahatma. But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own garments. We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm implementing the PKI? My cent-less On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment* http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third: "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow our economy." Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, digitizing land records, etc... However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily). Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not producing more clothing. -- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic economic that any country can master. India went that way through the leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment*
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
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I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example. A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export physical goods. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not producing more clothing.
-- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic economic that any country can master. India went that way through the leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment*
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
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Mark, At independence literacy in Kenya was below 20 percent. This is why Jomo Kenyatta made it a priority to deal with ignorance, poverty and disease. Today literacy in Kenya is approaching 90 percent but we still import bicycles. We import Kitenge and other African prints from the Netherlands. Why is cheaper to import from Netherlands where wage levels are higher than Kenya? This is because we theoretically dismiss everything without the benefit of science (data). Let us do it and if we fail, we shall have learnt some lesson. Whilst you can sue a structural engineer for professional negligence, you cannot sue an economist for the same. That is why I said that we defy economists since their guess is as good as yours. Do not look at a 40 million market. Look to the 1 billion market in Africa. Economists have been failing us since time immemorial. They failed Hoover. They failed Africa with the structural adjustment programmes. If this thing called comparative advantage worked, then steel producers would be the best car makers. But we know this is not true since Japan a non steel producer makes cheaper cars than UK yet UK has had plenty of steel. We must be good at producing something then figure out how we sustainability be competitive. If we do not try, we shall be like that person hoping to win lottery without buying the ticket. Ndemo.
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not producing more clothing.
-- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic economic that any country can master. India went that way through the leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment*
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
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+1 daktari, we need to develop a high afinity for data driven interventions. We cant ignore research in this day and age. On Nov 19, 2013 9:41 PM, "Bitange Ndemo" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Mark, At independence literacy in Kenya was below 20 percent. This is why Jomo Kenyatta made it a priority to deal with ignorance, poverty and disease. Today literacy in Kenya is approaching 90 percent but we still import bicycles. We import Kitenge and other African prints from the Netherlands. Why is cheaper to import from Netherlands where wage levels are higher than Kenya?
This is because we theoretically dismiss everything without the benefit of science (data). Let us do it and if we fail, we shall have learnt some lesson. Whilst you can sue a structural engineer for professional negligence, you cannot sue an economist for the same. That is why I said that we defy economists since their guess is as good as yours. Do not look at a 40 million market. Look to the 1 billion market in Africa. Economists have been failing us since time immemorial. They failed Hoover. They failed Africa with the structural adjustment programmes.
If this thing called comparative advantage worked, then steel producers would be the best car makers. But we know this is not true since Japan a non steel producer makes cheaper cars than UK yet UK has had plenty of steel. We must be good at producing something then figure out how we sustainability be competitive. If we do not try, we shall be like that person hoping to win lottery without buying the ticket.
Ndemo.
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not producing more clothing.
-- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic economic that any country can master. India went that way through the leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment*
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
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Adam...I guess the two points were not to be taken literally but meant to provoke thinking. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not producing more clothing.
-- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic economic that any country can master. India went that way through the leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment*
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
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If I ever have a chance to sit down with Dr Ndemo I will ask just *one* question: You were in Government as the PS ICT for 10 years, with a golden chance to formulate the policies that you are now saying we need. Yet, you wasted that chance and if anything, oversaw the domination of the Kenya ICT scene by foreign firms, implementing products & services that could have been done here and also oversaw the abolishing of the import tax on software, that is needed to shield the nascent software industry and hence exporting even more Kenyan jobs to those countries like India, who probably need them more than we do! So, what has changed now? Is this a case of Saul converting on his way to Damascus? Would that be *one* question? Waithaka Ngigi A1.iO On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment *
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
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Ngigi Waithaka, I was in government for 7 years. I sought to focus on: 1.) Infrastructure 2.) Content, Application and Innovation 3.) Capacity Building 4.) Public Private Partnership 5.) Employment creation. No. 1 and 4 worked very well since we were able to see at least 95 percent of the infrastructure done. No. 2 and 3 are an ongoing process and requires government support. Treasury and Parliament are key. We made some key proposals through public participation but we were not successful in convincing either Treasury or Parliament to provide sufficient support. No. 5 is a product of all of the above. The entrepreneur creates jobs as well as the government through spending. In our thinking we wanted the government to invest in productivity enabling projects but we were not obviously on the same wavelength with parliament. We actually got the ICT policies in place and even revised them. We asked for at least 30 percent in local software but as usual compliance was not there. We actually fought for removal of tax from hardware and we were equally surprised with the removal of tax on imported software. You are most likely thinking that every civil servant has the power to change fiscal policy. This is far from the truth. Blame me for the ICT policies. Lastly, I have been the same person all through. Critical on what I see is not good for the country. At some point in this fora we had a mock presidential debate on my views which are still the same. You can actually verify this. I will be delighted to respond to any of your concerns during my tenure. To be a civil servant is perhaps the most difficult thing in any one's life. My prayer is that one day you get the chance to serve your country in the civil service. Ndemo.
If I ever have a chance to sit down with Dr Ndemo I will ask just *one* question:
You were in Government as the PS ICT for 10 years, with a golden chance to formulate the policies that you are now saying we need. Yet, you wasted that chance and if anything, oversaw the domination of the Kenya ICT scene by foreign firms, implementing products & services that could have been done here and also oversaw the abolishing of the import tax on software, that is needed to shield the nascent software industry and hence exporting even more Kenyan jobs to those countries like India, who probably need them more than we do!
So, what has changed now? Is this a case of Saul converting on his way to Damascus?
Would that be *one* question?
Waithaka Ngigi A1.iO
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment *
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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Daktari, If there is one thing I and the rest of the community does appreciate, is the fact that you at least take the time to look at the comments & critiques coming in through these forums, and taking the time to reply to them. Your reply I guess, gives me an opportunity to ask more than the one *question* that I had promised to ask earlier. I also see where you are coming from regarding how the Civil Service works, but IMO, a lot more could have been done. Let me start with a story that you once told when someone asked you in a forum on whether we should start eBusinesses that used the then nascent Mobile payments platforms, and your answer, for a Civil Servant, was astonishing! "... Don't just sit and ask whether to do it... Do it and then let GoK, if they ever will, come and ask you questions later..." The point was, you cannot regulate innovation, as you can only regulate what has been invented. But therein lies the contradiction in your earlier statements. Simply because, from where I sit, I never saw that level of innovation when it came to pushing for a credible local technology industry employing thousands of our citizens. Your points number 2,3,5. As the PS ICT, and applying the same analogy, I would have expected that you would have crafted policies or came up with innovative ways, to be followed by say at least your Ministry and the then Kenya ICT Board, in terms of how they ought to push for local innovation and businesses in order to aid in job creation for the local industry. I would have rather that one day, someone had taken you to court for rooting for Kenyan innovation & businesses, when the policy, said maybe you shouldn't have. You might have lost, but you probably could have earned your stripes in battle. If I was to tell the story of Alliance Technologies, a firm that I started some 10 odd years ago, we wouldn't be where we are today, if some persons then in Government, who we are eternally grateful to, did not rise up and make some key decisions and recommendations to go with a local firm while the easier route would have been to go with the flow and ensure this country forever imported enterprise business software. What I then learnt is that, it is not that we do not have such policies to support local enterprises and build local capacity, indeed the Procurement Act 2005, leave alone the newly updated one, gives such leeway to Cabinet Ministers, Ministerial Tender Committees etc. The limit to what any one person in a position of influence can do is determined simply by their resolve and determination to a cause! Let me use two examples. If anyone in the early 2000s had indicated that we were going to build a 85 Billion USD City in the middle of nowhere, they would have been considered bonkers. Fast forward to 2010, and you had managed to deliver the Konza Project and get the government to commit to putting in such resources by 2030. If anyone also had told you in 2007 that the biggest bank by customer value and transaction by 2012 would be Safaricom, you would not have believed them. Yet, you were key to making it happen. You were key in making the Central Bank Governor sign-off on this venture against the wishes of the established banks whose lobbying power is quite formidable. You created and/or changed policy! The results of which speak for themselves. And that is why I would respectfully say that the reason why we have an almost non-existent technology industry here, employing local persons, the reason why this government is still importing 95% of its software & 100% of its hardware, the reason why Kenya cannot even build or assemble laptops for their primary school kids is not because it is hard to change policy. So, and for whatever reason, you didn't have enough determination and resolve to change policy and ensure that a thriving local technology industry takes root. As much as I am cognizant of the fact that you cannot win them all, I still rate that as the single biggest failure in ICT of the past government. Failure not because we tried and failed, but because we didn't even make a serious effort in trying to make it work. Finally, I do hope, and my prayers are, 10-15 years from now, once I am done with what I need to do in the private world, and perhaps with a bit more wisdom, I could dedicate a good 10 years of my life to Civil Service. So thank you for your prayers and I do hope that they will be answered. AMEN! On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Ngigi Waithaka, I was in government for 7 years. I sought to focus on: 1.) Infrastructure 2.) Content, Application and Innovation 3.) Capacity Building 4.) Public Private Partnership 5.) Employment creation.
No. 1 and 4 worked very well since we were able to see at least 95 percent of the infrastructure done.
No. 2 and 3 are an ongoing process and requires government support. Treasury and Parliament are key. We made some key proposals through public participation but we were not successful in convincing either Treasury or Parliament to provide sufficient support.
No. 5 is a product of all of the above. The entrepreneur creates jobs as well as the government through spending. In our thinking we wanted the government to invest in productivity enabling projects but we were not obviously on the same wavelength with parliament.
We actually got the ICT policies in place and even revised them. We asked for at least 30 percent in local software but as usual compliance was not there. We actually fought for removal of tax from hardware and we were equally surprised with the removal of tax on imported software.
You are most likely thinking that every civil servant has the power to change fiscal policy. This is far from the truth. Blame me for the ICT policies.
Lastly, I have been the same person all through. Critical on what I see is not good for the country. At some point in this fora we had a mock presidential debate on my views which are still the same. You can actually verify this.
I will be delighted to respond to any of your concerns during my tenure. To be a civil servant is perhaps the most difficult thing in any one's life. My prayer is that one day you get the chance to serve your country in the civil service.
Ndemo.
If I ever have a chance to sit down with Dr Ndemo I will ask just *one* question:
You were in Government as the PS ICT for 10 years, with a golden chance to formulate the policies that you are now saying we need. Yet, you wasted that chance and if anything, oversaw the domination of the Kenya ICT scene by foreign firms, implementing products & services that could have been done here and also oversaw the abolishing of the import tax on software, that is needed to shield the nascent software industry and hence exporting even more Kenyan jobs to those countries like India, who probably need them more than we do!
So, what has changed now? Is this a case of Saul converting on his way to Damascus?
Would that be *one* question?
Waithaka Ngigi A1.iO
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment *
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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@Bitange True, Economists attempt to predict using too few variables and come up with models that only work in their computers and tables. Our former regime led by an economist managed to triple our national debt while renovating infrastructure. I am not sure whether we lost or gained here. Better infrastructure = better economy = easier to pay the debt? Maybe. Sankara would have changed the face of his country had he not been eliminated. It really isn't that complicated. May be difficult in terms of changing mindset but not complex. And its in the little things. Why does registering a business take 2 weeks. Exactly what is that time spent doing in the back office? Why do I need to pay 500 bob to search the land register that is built and maintained by tax money? Why does it also take a week? Our president chose a Range Rover Sport as his official vehicle. It comes from the top. If he chose a cheaper car and downgraded his motorcade, the executive would follow suit. Parliament and the judiciary would get the clue and policy makers would come closer to the masses. When policy makers have the option of getting medical cover sponsored by the govt at private hospitals, then we cannot cope to change a thing. Parliament does not allow Kitenges and traditional wear. Only western made suits. How are those in parliament supposed to champion local textile industry if the rules find it offensive? My point is we cannot have people making policy that doesn't affect them directly. That was a side rant. As to trying and failing, I am against trial and error for the sake of it. As you said data is important and even scientific experiments are conducted within margins of sensible application. For textiles we need demand for local clothes. Again it must come from the top. Our principals dress up in shirts made in Ugenya, pants from the coast and a belt from maasai land consistently for a year and the demand will pick up from the hangers on and the fashion concious public. As you can see I am against letting the administration of the hook and making it a 40 million person problem. What were they elected for? On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote:
Daktari,
If there is one thing I and the rest of the community does appreciate, is the fact that you at least take the time to look at the comments & critiques coming in through these forums, and taking the time to reply to them.
Your reply I guess, gives me an opportunity to ask more than the one *question* that I had promised to ask earlier.
I also see where you are coming from regarding how the Civil Service works, but IMO, a lot more could have been done.
Let me start with a story that you once told when someone asked you in a forum on whether we should start eBusinesses that used the then nascent Mobile payments platforms, and your answer, for a Civil Servant, was astonishing!
"... Don't just sit and ask whether to do it... Do it and then let GoK, if they ever will, come and ask you questions later..."
The point was, you cannot regulate innovation, as you can only regulate what has been invented.
But therein lies the contradiction in your earlier statements. Simply because, from where I sit, I never saw that level of innovation when it came to pushing for a credible local technology industry employing thousands of our citizens. Your points number 2,3,5.
As the PS ICT, and applying the same analogy, I would have expected that you would have crafted policies or came up with innovative ways, to be followed by say at least your Ministry and the then Kenya ICT Board, in terms of how they ought to push for local innovation and businesses in order to aid in job creation for the local industry.
I would have rather that one day, someone had taken you to court for rooting for Kenyan innovation & businesses, when the policy, said maybe you shouldn't have. You might have lost, but you probably could have earned your stripes in battle.
If I was to tell the story of Alliance Technologies, a firm that I started some 10 odd years ago, we wouldn't be where we are today, if some persons then in Government, who we are eternally grateful to, did not rise up and make some key decisions and recommendations to go with a local firm while the easier route would have been to go with the flow and ensure this country forever imported enterprise business software.
What I then learnt is that, it is not that we do not have such policies to support local enterprises and build local capacity, indeed the Procurement Act 2005, leave alone the newly updated one, gives such leeway to Cabinet Ministers, Ministerial Tender Committees etc. The limit to what any one person in a position of influence can do is determined simply by their resolve and determination to a cause!
Let me use two examples. If anyone in the early 2000s had indicated that we were going to build a 85 Billion USD City in the middle of nowhere, they would have been considered bonkers. Fast forward to 2010, and you had managed to deliver the Konza Project and get the government to commit to putting in such resources by 2030.
If anyone also had told you in 2007 that the biggest bank by customer value and transaction by 2012 would be Safaricom, you would not have believed them. Yet, you were key to making it happen. You were key in making the Central Bank Governor sign-off on this venture against the wishes of the established banks whose lobbying power is quite formidable.
You created and/or changed policy! The results of which speak for themselves.
And that is why I would respectfully say that the reason why we have an almost non-existent technology industry here, employing local persons, the reason why this government is still importing 95% of its software & 100% of its hardware, the reason why Kenya cannot even build or assemble laptops for their primary school kids is not because it is hard to change policy.
So, and for whatever reason, you didn't have enough determination and resolve to change policy and ensure that a thriving local technology industry takes root.
As much as I am cognizant of the fact that you cannot win them all, I still rate that as the single biggest failure in ICT of the past government. Failure not because we tried and failed, but because we didn't even make a serious effort in trying to make it work.
Finally, I do hope, and my prayers are, 10-15 years from now, once I am done with what I need to do in the private world, and perhaps with a bit more wisdom, I could dedicate a good 10 years of my life to Civil Service.
So thank you for your prayers and I do hope that they will be answered. AMEN!
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke>wrote:
Ngigi Waithaka, I was in government for 7 years. I sought to focus on: 1.) Infrastructure 2.) Content, Application and Innovation 3.) Capacity Building 4.) Public Private Partnership 5.) Employment creation.
No. 1 and 4 worked very well since we were able to see at least 95 percent of the infrastructure done.
No. 2 and 3 are an ongoing process and requires government support. Treasury and Parliament are key. We made some key proposals through public participation but we were not successful in convincing either Treasury or Parliament to provide sufficient support.
No. 5 is a product of all of the above. The entrepreneur creates jobs as well as the government through spending. In our thinking we wanted the government to invest in productivity enabling projects but we were not obviously on the same wavelength with parliament.
We actually got the ICT policies in place and even revised them. We asked for at least 30 percent in local software but as usual compliance was not there. We actually fought for removal of tax from hardware and we were equally surprised with the removal of tax on imported software.
You are most likely thinking that every civil servant has the power to change fiscal policy. This is far from the truth. Blame me for the ICT policies.
Lastly, I have been the same person all through. Critical on what I see is not good for the country. At some point in this fora we had a mock presidential debate on my views which are still the same. You can actually verify this.
I will be delighted to respond to any of your concerns during my tenure. To be a civil servant is perhaps the most difficult thing in any one's life. My prayer is that one day you get the chance to serve your country in the civil service.
Ndemo.
If I ever have a chance to sit down with Dr Ndemo I will ask just *one* question:
You were in Government as the PS ICT for 10 years, with a golden chance to formulate the policies that you are now saying we need. Yet, you wasted that chance and if anything, oversaw the domination of the Kenya ICT scene by foreign firms, implementing products & services that could have been done here and also oversaw the abolishing of the import tax on software, that is needed to shield the nascent software industry and hence exporting even more Kenyan jobs to those countries like India, who probably need them more than we do!
So, what has changed now? Is this a case of Saul converting on his way to Damascus?
Would that be *one* question?
Waithaka Ngigi A1.iO
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment *
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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Ngigi, Thank you for your honest view of the ICT status in Kenya. I agree with you entirely. I broke some rules to ensure we achieve certain objectives. Perhaps you did not know that I was the one lobbying for the revision of the procurement law to ensure some work is reserved for the locals. This actually is not a PS' job but legislators. President Uhuru has on several occasions guaranteed that women and youth will have some preference on procurement but that has not been implemented. Reason Parliament has to amend the law. The constitution demands that stakeholders participate in such changes but you can hardly see any serious participation. To avoid back passing in the future, let me blunt here. Everything you ask about local recognition and capacity building in the software sector can be dealt with within just a few months by change of legislation. Research tells us that one of the key contributors of poverty is lack of representation. W actually do not have real representation in Kenya. If we did, then MPs should never have passed a punitive VAT Act. If you were to sit where I was, you will be surprised how many letters I wrote to get local software developers recognized and participate in Nation building. We should not also think that foreign is bad. We need to create necessary competition so that we improve on efficiency and be competitive globally. In the US for example, most of the software is Indian. We need to explore that model too. That is how we can create local Infosys or Tata. This is a healthy debate and we need to deepen our understanding without blindly condemning those who share your views on how this country can move forward. Ndemo.
Daktari,
If there is one thing I and the rest of the community does appreciate, is the fact that you at least take the time to look at the comments & critiques coming in through these forums, and taking the time to reply to them.
Your reply I guess, gives me an opportunity to ask more than the one *question* that I had promised to ask earlier.
I also see where you are coming from regarding how the Civil Service works, but IMO, a lot more could have been done.
Let me start with a story that you once told when someone asked you in a forum on whether we should start eBusinesses that used the then nascent Mobile payments platforms, and your answer, for a Civil Servant, was astonishing!
"... Don't just sit and ask whether to do it... Do it and then let GoK, if they ever will, come and ask you questions later..."
The point was, you cannot regulate innovation, as you can only regulate what has been invented.
But therein lies the contradiction in your earlier statements. Simply because, from where I sit, I never saw that level of innovation when it came to pushing for a credible local technology industry employing thousands of our citizens. Your points number 2,3,5.
As the PS ICT, and applying the same analogy, I would have expected that you would have crafted policies or came up with innovative ways, to be followed by say at least your Ministry and the then Kenya ICT Board, in terms of how they ought to push for local innovation and businesses in order to aid in job creation for the local industry.
I would have rather that one day, someone had taken you to court for rooting for Kenyan innovation & businesses, when the policy, said maybe you shouldn't have. You might have lost, but you probably could have earned your stripes in battle.
If I was to tell the story of Alliance Technologies, a firm that I started some 10 odd years ago, we wouldn't be where we are today, if some persons then in Government, who we are eternally grateful to, did not rise up and make some key decisions and recommendations to go with a local firm while the easier route would have been to go with the flow and ensure this country forever imported enterprise business software.
What I then learnt is that, it is not that we do not have such policies to support local enterprises and build local capacity, indeed the Procurement Act 2005, leave alone the newly updated one, gives such leeway to Cabinet Ministers, Ministerial Tender Committees etc. The limit to what any one person in a position of influence can do is determined simply by their resolve and determination to a cause!
Let me use two examples. If anyone in the early 2000s had indicated that we were going to build a 85 Billion USD City in the middle of nowhere, they would have been considered bonkers. Fast forward to 2010, and you had managed to deliver the Konza Project and get the government to commit to putting in such resources by 2030.
If anyone also had told you in 2007 that the biggest bank by customer value and transaction by 2012 would be Safaricom, you would not have believed them. Yet, you were key to making it happen. You were key in making the Central Bank Governor sign-off on this venture against the wishes of the established banks whose lobbying power is quite formidable.
You created and/or changed policy! The results of which speak for themselves.
And that is why I would respectfully say that the reason why we have an almost non-existent technology industry here, employing local persons, the reason why this government is still importing 95% of its software & 100% of its hardware, the reason why Kenya cannot even build or assemble laptops for their primary school kids is not because it is hard to change policy.
So, and for whatever reason, you didn't have enough determination and resolve to change policy and ensure that a thriving local technology industry takes root.
As much as I am cognizant of the fact that you cannot win them all, I still rate that as the single biggest failure in ICT of the past government. Failure not because we tried and failed, but because we didn't even make a serious effort in trying to make it work.
Finally, I do hope, and my prayers are, 10-15 years from now, once I am done with what I need to do in the private world, and perhaps with a bit more wisdom, I could dedicate a good 10 years of my life to Civil Service.
So thank you for your prayers and I do hope that they will be answered. AMEN!
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Ngigi Waithaka, I was in government for 7 years. I sought to focus on: 1.) Infrastructure 2.) Content, Application and Innovation 3.) Capacity Building 4.) Public Private Partnership 5.) Employment creation.
No. 1 and 4 worked very well since we were able to see at least 95 percent of the infrastructure done.
No. 2 and 3 are an ongoing process and requires government support. Treasury and Parliament are key. We made some key proposals through public participation but we were not successful in convincing either Treasury or Parliament to provide sufficient support.
No. 5 is a product of all of the above. The entrepreneur creates jobs as well as the government through spending. In our thinking we wanted the government to invest in productivity enabling projects but we were not obviously on the same wavelength with parliament.
We actually got the ICT policies in place and even revised them. We asked for at least 30 percent in local software but as usual compliance was not there. We actually fought for removal of tax from hardware and we were equally surprised with the removal of tax on imported software.
You are most likely thinking that every civil servant has the power to change fiscal policy. This is far from the truth. Blame me for the ICT policies.
Lastly, I have been the same person all through. Critical on what I see is not good for the country. At some point in this fora we had a mock presidential debate on my views which are still the same. You can actually verify this.
I will be delighted to respond to any of your concerns during my tenure. To be a civil servant is perhaps the most difficult thing in any one's life. My prayer is that one day you get the chance to serve your country in the civil service.
Ndemo.
If I ever have a chance to sit down with Dr Ndemo I will ask just *one* question:
You were in Government as the PS ICT for 10 years, with a golden chance to formulate the policies that you are now saying we need. Yet, you wasted that chance and if anything, oversaw the domination of the Kenya ICT scene by foreign firms, implementing products & services that could have been done here and also oversaw the abolishing of the import tax on software, that is needed to shield the nascent software industry and hence exporting even more Kenyan jobs to those countries like India, who probably need them more than we do!
So, what has changed now? Is this a case of Saul converting on his way to Damascus?
Would that be *one* question?
Waithaka Ngigi A1.iO
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment *
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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Hello all, I am a stronger believer; in not re-inventing the wheel; Local or foreign if its creating Jobs and opportunities , growing our economy...then why not? . I am also a stronger believer in inspiring others to achieve by action;-Lets all remember this is 2013, globalization is here with us; we need to market our know how, goods, services & others to outside Kenya- to really achieve vision 2013. we all must suggest, comment, blog, as we are moving to achieve tangible results...Action, action, action, brothers and sisters- where is this Kenyan created and packaged software? hardware? Mobile App that's working and has minimal bugs? why are my former IT, Computer science students most of them unemployed(self or otherwise), or switched to other careers ... Best and warm regards Judy Muli I love IT almost as much as I Love mathematics. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Ngigi, Thank you for your honest view of the ICT status in Kenya. I agree with you entirely. I broke some rules to ensure we achieve certain objectives. Perhaps you did not know that I was the one lobbying for the revision of the procurement law to ensure some work is reserved for the locals. This actually is not a PS' job but legislators. President Uhuru has on several occasions guaranteed that women and youth will have some preference on procurement but that has not been implemented. Reason Parliament has to amend the law.
The constitution demands that stakeholders participate in such changes but you can hardly see any serious participation. To avoid back passing in the future, let me blunt here. Everything you ask about local recognition and capacity building in the software sector can be dealt with within just a few months by change of legislation.
Research tells us that one of the key contributors of poverty is lack of representation. W actually do not have real representation in Kenya. If we did, then MPs should never have passed a punitive VAT Act. If you were to sit where I was, you will be surprised how many letters I wrote to get local software developers recognized and participate in Nation building.
We should not also think that foreign is bad. We need to create necessary competition so that we improve on efficiency and be competitive globally. In the US for example, most of the software is Indian. We need to explore that model too. That is how we can create local Infosys or Tata.
This is a healthy debate and we need to deepen our understanding without blindly condemning those who share your views on how this country can move forward.
Ndemo.
Daktari,
If there is one thing I and the rest of the community does appreciate, is the fact that you at least take the time to look at the comments & critiques coming in through these forums, and taking the time to reply to them.
Your reply I guess, gives me an opportunity to ask more than the one *question* that I had promised to ask earlier.
I also see where you are coming from regarding how the Civil Service works, but IMO, a lot more could have been done.
Let me start with a story that you once told when someone asked you in a forum on whether we should start eBusinesses that used the then nascent Mobile payments platforms, and your answer, for a Civil Servant, was astonishing!
"... Don't just sit and ask whether to do it... Do it and then let GoK, if they ever will, come and ask you questions later..."
The point was, you cannot regulate innovation, as you can only regulate what has been invented.
But therein lies the contradiction in your earlier statements. Simply because, from where I sit, I never saw that level of innovation when it came to pushing for a credible local technology industry employing thousands of our citizens. Your points number 2,3,5.
As the PS ICT, and applying the same analogy, I would have expected that you would have crafted policies or came up with innovative ways, to be followed by say at least your Ministry and the then Kenya ICT Board, in terms of how they ought to push for local innovation and businesses in order to aid in job creation for the local industry.
I would have rather that one day, someone had taken you to court for rooting for Kenyan innovation & businesses, when the policy, said maybe you shouldn't have. You might have lost, but you probably could have earned your stripes in battle.
If I was to tell the story of Alliance Technologies, a firm that I started some 10 odd years ago, we wouldn't be where we are today, if some persons then in Government, who we are eternally grateful to, did not rise up and make some key decisions and recommendations to go with a local firm while the easier route would have been to go with the flow and ensure this country forever imported enterprise business software.
What I then learnt is that, it is not that we do not have such policies to support local enterprises and build local capacity, indeed the Procurement Act 2005, leave alone the newly updated one, gives such leeway to Cabinet Ministers, Ministerial Tender Committees etc. The limit to what any one person in a position of influence can do is determined simply by their resolve and determination to a cause!
Let me use two examples. If anyone in the early 2000s had indicated that we were going to build a 85 Billion USD City in the middle of nowhere, they would have been considered bonkers. Fast forward to 2010, and you had managed to deliver the Konza Project and get the government to commit to putting in such resources by 2030.
If anyone also had told you in 2007 that the biggest bank by customer value and transaction by 2012 would be Safaricom, you would not have believed them. Yet, you were key to making it happen. You were key in making the Central Bank Governor sign-off on this venture against the wishes of the established banks whose lobbying power is quite formidable.
You created and/or changed policy! The results of which speak for themselves.
And that is why I would respectfully say that the reason why we have an almost non-existent technology industry here, employing local persons, the reason why this government is still importing 95% of its software & 100% of its hardware, the reason why Kenya cannot even build or assemble laptops for their primary school kids is not because it is hard to change policy.
So, and for whatever reason, you didn't have enough determination and resolve to change policy and ensure that a thriving local technology industry takes root.
As much as I am cognizant of the fact that you cannot win them all, I still rate that as the single biggest failure in ICT of the past government. Failure not because we tried and failed, but because we didn't even make a serious effort in trying to make it work.
Finally, I do hope, and my prayers are, 10-15 years from now, once I am done with what I need to do in the private world, and perhaps with a bit more wisdom, I could dedicate a good 10 years of my life to Civil Service.
So thank you for your prayers and I do hope that they will be answered. AMEN!
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Ngigi Waithaka, I was in government for 7 years. I sought to focus on: 1.) Infrastructure 2.) Content, Application and Innovation 3.) Capacity Building 4.) Public Private Partnership 5.) Employment creation.
No. 1 and 4 worked very well since we were able to see at least 95 percent of the infrastructure done.
No. 2 and 3 are an ongoing process and requires government support. Treasury and Parliament are key. We made some key proposals through public participation but we were not successful in convincing either Treasury or Parliament to provide sufficient support.
No. 5 is a product of all of the above. The entrepreneur creates jobs as well as the government through spending. In our thinking we wanted the government to invest in productivity enabling projects but we were not obviously on the same wavelength with parliament.
We actually got the ICT policies in place and even revised them. We asked for at least 30 percent in local software but as usual compliance was not there. We actually fought for removal of tax from hardware and we were equally surprised with the removal of tax on imported software.
You are most likely thinking that every civil servant has the power to change fiscal policy. This is far from the truth. Blame me for the ICT policies.
Lastly, I have been the same person all through. Critical on what I see is not good for the country. At some point in this fora we had a mock presidential debate on my views which are still the same. You can actually verify this.
I will be delighted to respond to any of your concerns during my tenure. To be a civil servant is perhaps the most difficult thing in any one's life. My prayer is that one day you get the chance to serve your country in the civil service.
Ndemo.
If I ever have a chance to sit down with Dr Ndemo I will ask just *one* question:
You were in Government as the PS ICT for 10 years, with a golden chance to formulate the policies that you are now saying we need. Yet, you wasted that chance and if anything, oversaw the domination of the Kenya ICT scene by foreign firms, implementing products & services that could have been done here and also oversaw the abolishing of the import tax on software, that is needed to shield the nascent software industry and hence exporting even more Kenyan jobs to those countries like India, who probably need them more than we do!
So, what has changed now? Is this a case of Saul converting on his way to Damascus?
Would that be *one* question?
Waithaka Ngigi A1.iO
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment *
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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I support you Dr. Ndemo on us not following blindly on economics of the global north. The Great recession of 2009 and the market crash of 1929 were all due to economics that went bonkers. . ... We need our own economics to comeup with theories that are relevant to our region On 20/11/2013, Judy M. Muli <judym.muli@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
I am a stronger believer; in not re-inventing the wheel; Local or foreign if its creating Jobs and opportunities , growing our economy...then why not? . I am also a stronger believer in inspiring others to achieve by action;-Lets all remember this is 2013, globalization is here with us; we need to market our know how, goods, services & others to outside Kenya- to really achieve vision 2013. we all must suggest, comment, blog, as we are moving to achieve tangible results...Action, action, action, brothers and sisters- where is this Kenyan created and packaged software? hardware? Mobile App that's working and has minimal bugs? why are my former IT, Computer science students most of them unemployed(self or otherwise), or switched to other careers ... Best and warm regards Judy Muli
I love IT almost as much as I Love mathematics.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Ngigi, Thank you for your honest view of the ICT status in Kenya. I agree with you entirely. I broke some rules to ensure we achieve certain objectives. Perhaps you did not know that I was the one lobbying for the revision of the procurement law to ensure some work is reserved for the locals. This actually is not a PS' job but legislators. President Uhuru has on several occasions guaranteed that women and youth will have some preference on procurement but that has not been implemented. Reason Parliament has to amend the law.
The constitution demands that stakeholders participate in such changes but you can hardly see any serious participation. To avoid back passing in the future, let me blunt here. Everything you ask about local recognition and capacity building in the software sector can be dealt with within just a few months by change of legislation.
Research tells us that one of the key contributors of poverty is lack of representation. W actually do not have real representation in Kenya. If we did, then MPs should never have passed a punitive VAT Act. If you were to sit where I was, you will be surprised how many letters I wrote to get local software developers recognized and participate in Nation building.
We should not also think that foreign is bad. We need to create necessary competition so that we improve on efficiency and be competitive globally. In the US for example, most of the software is Indian. We need to explore that model too. That is how we can create local Infosys or Tata.
This is a healthy debate and we need to deepen our understanding without blindly condemning those who share your views on how this country can move forward.
Ndemo.
Daktari,
If there is one thing I and the rest of the community does appreciate, is the fact that you at least take the time to look at the comments & critiques coming in through these forums, and taking the time to reply to them.
Your reply I guess, gives me an opportunity to ask more than the one *question* that I had promised to ask earlier.
I also see where you are coming from regarding how the Civil Service works, but IMO, a lot more could have been done.
Let me start with a story that you once told when someone asked you in a forum on whether we should start eBusinesses that used the then nascent Mobile payments platforms, and your answer, for a Civil Servant, was astonishing!
"... Don't just sit and ask whether to do it... Do it and then let GoK, if they ever will, come and ask you questions later..."
The point was, you cannot regulate innovation, as you can only regulate what has been invented.
But therein lies the contradiction in your earlier statements. Simply because, from where I sit, I never saw that level of innovation when it came to pushing for a credible local technology industry employing thousands of our citizens. Your points number 2,3,5.
As the PS ICT, and applying the same analogy, I would have expected that you would have crafted policies or came up with innovative ways, to be followed by say at least your Ministry and the then Kenya ICT Board, in terms of how they ought to push for local innovation and businesses in order to aid in job creation for the local industry.
I would have rather that one day, someone had taken you to court for rooting for Kenyan innovation & businesses, when the policy, said maybe you shouldn't have. You might have lost, but you probably could have earned your stripes in battle.
If I was to tell the story of Alliance Technologies, a firm that I started some 10 odd years ago, we wouldn't be where we are today, if some persons then in Government, who we are eternally grateful to, did not rise up and make some key decisions and recommendations to go with a local firm while the easier route would have been to go with the flow and ensure this country forever imported enterprise business software.
What I then learnt is that, it is not that we do not have such policies to support local enterprises and build local capacity, indeed the Procurement Act 2005, leave alone the newly updated one, gives such leeway to Cabinet Ministers, Ministerial Tender Committees etc. The limit to what any one person in a position of influence can do is determined simply by their resolve and determination to a cause!
Let me use two examples. If anyone in the early 2000s had indicated that we were going to build a 85 Billion USD City in the middle of nowhere, they would have been considered bonkers. Fast forward to 2010, and you had managed to deliver the Konza Project and get the government to commit to putting in such resources by 2030.
If anyone also had told you in 2007 that the biggest bank by customer value and transaction by 2012 would be Safaricom, you would not have believed them. Yet, you were key to making it happen. You were key in making the Central Bank Governor sign-off on this venture against the wishes of the established banks whose lobbying power is quite formidable.
You created and/or changed policy! The results of which speak for themselves.
And that is why I would respectfully say that the reason why we have an almost non-existent technology industry here, employing local persons, the reason why this government is still importing 95% of its software & 100% of its hardware, the reason why Kenya cannot even build or assemble laptops for their primary school kids is not because it is hard to change policy.
So, and for whatever reason, you didn't have enough determination and resolve to change policy and ensure that a thriving local technology industry takes root.
As much as I am cognizant of the fact that you cannot win them all, I still rate that as the single biggest failure in ICT of the past government. Failure not because we tried and failed, but because we didn't even make a serious effort in trying to make it work.
Finally, I do hope, and my prayers are, 10-15 years from now, once I am done with what I need to do in the private world, and perhaps with a bit more wisdom, I could dedicate a good 10 years of my life to Civil Service.
So thank you for your prayers and I do hope that they will be answered. AMEN!
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Bitange Ndemo <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Ngigi Waithaka, I was in government for 7 years. I sought to focus on: 1.) Infrastructure 2.) Content, Application and Innovation 3.) Capacity Building 4.) Public Private Partnership 5.) Employment creation.
No. 1 and 4 worked very well since we were able to see at least 95 percent of the infrastructure done.
No. 2 and 3 are an ongoing process and requires government support. Treasury and Parliament are key. We made some key proposals through public participation but we were not successful in convincing either Treasury or Parliament to provide sufficient support.
No. 5 is a product of all of the above. The entrepreneur creates jobs as well as the government through spending. In our thinking we wanted the government to invest in productivity enabling projects but we were not obviously on the same wavelength with parliament.
We actually got the ICT policies in place and even revised them. We asked for at least 30 percent in local software but as usual compliance was not there. We actually fought for removal of tax from hardware and we were equally surprised with the removal of tax on imported software.
You are most likely thinking that every civil servant has the power to change fiscal policy. This is far from the truth. Blame me for the ICT policies.
Lastly, I have been the same person all through. Critical on what I see is not good for the country. At some point in this fora we had a mock presidential debate on my views which are still the same. You can actually verify this.
I will be delighted to respond to any of your concerns during my tenure. To be a civil servant is perhaps the most difficult thing in any one's life. My prayer is that one day you get the chance to serve your country in the civil service.
Ndemo.
If I ever have a chance to sit down with Dr Ndemo I will ask just *one* question:
You were in Government as the PS ICT for 10 years, with a golden chance to formulate the policies that you are now saying we need. Yet, you wasted that chance and if anything, oversaw the domination of the Kenya ICT scene by foreign firms, implementing products & services that could have been done here and also oversaw the abolishing of the import tax on software, that is needed to shield the nascent software industry and hence exporting even more Kenyan jobs to those countries like India, who probably need them more than we do!
So, what has changed now? Is this a case of Saul converting on his way to Damascus?
Would that be *one* question?
Waithaka Ngigi A1.iO
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment *
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index....
-- Muthoni
My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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Barrack Otieno -
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Judy M. Muli -
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