Hi, Let us stop beating about the bush, this is a plain case of institutionalized corruption and sugar coating it with big words will not change what it is. Regards Simba aliyenyoa haimufanyi kuwa paka wa nyumbani (A lion that has shaved its mane does not then become a domesticated cat)     Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012, 22:54 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Resign and seek to supply the system as an outsider It is unfortunate that we do not have an intrapreneureship policy for any organisation in Kenya. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:30:09 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Resign and seek to supply the system as an outsider _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

Listers, The solution has been found internally and there is a IT strategy that is being run by the organisation. The essence is to build an enterprise grade solution that integrates into the current IT estate. Therefore the right party needs to architect, build, implement, deploy and maintain the solution going forward. Agree with KRA's approach, but communication gone out has seem to not help the cause. An employee singly cannot be attributed for finding the solution but the organisation, the employee needs to fairly rewarded and it is dependent on what was agreed from the offset of the project as the organisation agreed to enable and support the employee to help the find a solution, bottom line is that there needs to be a fair compensation. Best Regards, Baiju -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+baiju=tele2media.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Sent: 22 November 2012 09:32 To: Baiju Shah Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Resign and seek to supply the system as an outsider KRA is a public body funded by taxpayers.Clearly it cannot behave like a private entity.Is there a public interest matter in this issue? Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 06:02:26 To: <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> Reply-To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Resign and seek to supply the system as an outsider _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40y ahoo.co.uk The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/baiju%40tele2media.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

Listers, I got this response from the Kenya Copyright Board on my tweet: "Copyright for the System Falls under our mandate but the Industrial Property Act Cap 509 Section 95 is clear on the same - TECHNOVATIONS: http://www.kenyalaw.org/klr/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/Acts/IndustrialPropertyAc... I have read this section 95 up to section 101 and it is VERY IMPORTANT for technovators to understand this law and insist on a technovation certificate. However, I think KRA should just stop being dramatic and acting tough, and compensate the young man as provided for in Section 99. "Where the enterprise uses the technovation or communicates it to a third person, the technovator shall be entitled to a remuneration the amount and method of payment of which shall, in the absence of an applicable collective bargaining agreement, be fixed by mutual agreement between the technovator and the enterprise".

there are many that can afford this as it is below their means. E.g the 500,000 acre controlling family. On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, luke mulunda <lmulunda@yahoo.com> wrote:

guys, Sharp just launched an 80-inch LED TV in Kenya and the prize is tagged at Sh1 million ( see link http://businesstoday.co.ke/news/2012/11/22/sharp-returns-kenya-crazy-deal-sh...) Just who's going to buy this monster?

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Something tells me that they could have used the open data to understand the demographic dynamics before the launch.  1M TV is not a small and one must conduct studies to understand the target market. Sam P O Box 61453 00200 NAIROBI tel. 254 722881427 ________________________________ From: Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> To: saguyo@yahoo.com Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012, 23:10 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who will buy this Sh1m TV? But it is not a wise use of resources, regardless of how rich you are. Like gold plated bathroom faucets, it is just "conspicuous consumption"! Reminds me of Dallas in the 1980s. On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: there are many that can afford this as it is below their means. E.g the 500,000 acre controlling family. 

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, luke mulunda <lmulunda@yahoo.com> wrote:

guys,

...

Sharp just launched an 80-inch LED TV in Kenya and the prize is tagged at Sh1 million ( see link http://businesstoday.co.ke/news/2012/11/22/sharp-returns-kenya-crazy-deal-sh... ) Just who's going to buy this monster?

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I think that it is actually a crime that our ministers and MPs get paid this much. According to the World Bank, Kenya is a low income country, and 45.9 percent of the country lives in poverty, and the GNI per capita is $820 dollars. That means that this TV is worth almost 20 times (TWENTY TIMES) than the average annual pay of the average Mwananchi. People, am I the only one who thinks it is shocking that our Ministers get paid 20 times more than the national average pay for a YEAR in one month? Warigia On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:20 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

Samsung on Friday launched a 84" LED 3D monitor worth Kes. 1.8 M which is equivalent to a Ministers 1 month pay and a MP's 2 months pay.

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* luke mulunda <lmulunda@yahoo.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 November 2012, 12:51 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Who will buy this Sh1m TV?

guys, Sharp just launched an 80-inch LED TV in Kenya and the prize is tagged at Sh1 million ( see link http://businesstoday.co.ke/news/2012/11/22/sharp-returns-kenya-crazy-deal-sh...) Just who's going to buy this monster?

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The Right Honourable Prime Minister, a proclaimed reformist, earns what 200 people produce in 365 days in a reformed Kenya. http://www.economist.com/node/21564605 Answering your question, Samsung did realise that entertainment and living large is quite the habit in Africa. They introduced LCDs here a while behind global introduction and the things were flying off the shelves. Since then, they take the African market seriously when it comes to entertainment. A friend living in Eastlands owns a Samsung Smart TV 4 times his monthly rent.

Unfortunately I don't think such changes can start from the grassroots. A leader willing to take the flack and protect his bureaucracy as they do their jobs. When we allocate responsibility to everyone, we allocate it it to no-one. A decisive person that is willing to deal with security, economic and policy issues with a clear plan with the interest of the citizens as a priority. It must start from the top. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:22 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Warigia,

Yes you are the only one who thinks it is shocking that our Ministers are paid this much and I am not being derogatory, African politics is about poverty and subjugation which is why, except for Peter Kenneth, very few politicians who tried to uplift the standard of living of their constituents makes it back for a second term.

As you may be aware 5 years is not enough to show a marked change in a society and because of our agrarian thinking based on the cycle of the maize crop and at times sukuma wiki we tend to expect instant results once a new MP has been elected which is not feasible. This will be better brought to the fore with the devolution where societies that have been relying on government handouts will realise that moving from a net consumer to a net producer takes more than 5 years, which is the reason I will not stand for governor (I have resolved myself to buying a degree from an online university, maybe even a PhD) during this trial phase.

So as the electorate we prefer to get the 50/- dished out during the campaign period than hope for a more permanent solution from the MP, in exchange the MP spends Kes. 100 Million during the campaign and spends the next 5 years trying to recover from the hole this dug into their pockets by regularly increasing their remuneration to keep ahead of inflation. Our MPs have increased their pay from a paltry 7,500/- 30 years ago to the current levels all because we, the electorate, have kept raising campaign costs by demanding larger and larger pesa pap.

Which explains why there are rarely any dissenting voices in parliament as they propose to increase their salaries every other week, as all wear the same shoe and they all know where it bites.

Look around at many of our former MP's they are a shadow of their former selves, more so those who believed that they where there to serve the electorate, the ones who used their time in parliament enriching themselves are at times better off.

Please ask the same question to someone whose parent has been involved in politics, they will tell you that the amount paid is too little to make up for the emotionally and financially damage to the children and spouses.

The system is broken, how do we fix it?

Regards

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Sunday, 25 November 2012, 20:39 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Who will buy this Sh1.8m TV?

I think that it is actually a crime that our ministers and MPs get paid this much.

According to the World Bank, Kenya is a low income country, and 45.9 percent of the country lives in poverty, and the GNI per capita is $820 dollars.

That means that this TV is worth almost 20 times (TWENTY TIMES) than the average annual pay of the average Mwananchi.

People, am I the only one who thinks it is shocking that our Ministers get paid 20 times more than the national average pay for a YEAR in one month?

Warigia

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:20 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

Samsung on Friday launched a 84" LED 3D monitor worth Kes. 1.8 M which is equivalent to a Ministers 1 month pay and a MP's 2 months pay.

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* luke mulunda <lmulunda@yahoo.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 November 2012, 12:51 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Who will buy this Sh1m TV?

guys, Sharp just launched an 80-inch LED TV in Kenya and the prize is tagged at Sh1 million ( see link http://businesstoday.co.ke/news/2012/11/22/sharp-returns-kenya-crazy-deal-sh...) Just who's going to buy this monster?

Luke M.

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Another thing is to raise the salaries of unskilled staff. Benevolent self interest. This will allow them to have some form of dignity and raise children who can participate in the skilled labour market. This is something we can all do, effectively helping alleviate poverty, one step at a time. On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:

I disagree, the changes must start from the grassroots. Kenyans must start speaking out against inequality. Like the greenbelt movement. A good place to start is bringing salaries of national officials in line.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Unfortunately I don't think such changes can start from the grassroots. A leader willing to take the flack and protect his bureaucracy as they do their jobs. When we allocate responsibility to everyone, we allocate it it to no-one. A decisive person that is willing to deal with security, economic and policy issues with a clear plan with the interest of the citizens as a priority. It must start from the top.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:22 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

...

Hi Warigia,

Yes you are the only one who thinks it is shocking that our Ministers are paid this much and I am not being derogatory, African politics is about poverty and subjugation which is why, except for Peter Kenneth, very few politicians who tried to uplift the standard of living of their constituents makes it back for a second term.

As you may be aware 5 years is not enough to show a marked change in a society and because of our agrarian thinking based on the cycle of the maize crop and at times sukuma wiki we tend to expect instant results once a new MP has been elected which is not feasible. This will be better brought to the fore with the devolution where societies that have been relying on government handouts will realise that moving from a net consumer to a net producer takes more than 5 years, which is the reason I will not stand for governor (I have resolved myself to buying a degree from an online university, maybe even a PhD) during this trial phase.

So as the electorate we prefer to get the 50/- dished out during the campaign period than hope for a more permanent solution from the MP, in exchange the MP spends Kes. 100 Million during the campaign and spends the next 5 years trying to recover from the hole this dug into their pockets by regularly increasing their remuneration to keep ahead of inflation. Our MPs have increased their pay from a paltry 7,500/- 30 years ago to the current levels all because we, the electorate, have kept raising campaign costs by demanding larger and larger pesa pap.

Which explains why there are rarely any dissenting voices in parliament as they propose to increase their salaries every other week, as all wear the same shoe and they all know where it bites.

Look around at many of our former MP's they are a shadow of their former selves, more so those who believed that they where there to serve the electorate, the ones who used their time in parliament enriching themselves are at times better off.

Please ask the same question to someone whose parent has been involved in politics, they will tell you that the amount paid is too little to make up for the emotionally and financially damage to the children and spouses.

The system is broken, how do we fix it?

Regards

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Sunday, 25 November 2012, 20:39 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Who will buy this Sh1.8m TV?

I think that it is actually a crime that our ministers and MPs get paid this much.

According to the World Bank, Kenya is a low income country, and 45.9 percent of the country lives in poverty, and the GNI per capita is $820 dollars.

That means that this TV is worth almost 20 times (TWENTY TIMES) than the average annual pay of the average Mwananchi.

People, am I the only one who thinks it is shocking that our Ministers get paid 20 times more than the national average pay for a YEAR in one month?

Warigia

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:20 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

Samsung on Friday launched a 84" LED 3D monitor worth Kes. 1.8 M which is equivalent to a Ministers 1 month pay and a MP's 2 months pay.

Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* luke mulunda <lmulunda@yahoo.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, 22 November 2012, 12:51 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Who will buy this Sh1m TV?

guys, Sharp just launched an 80-inch LED TV in Kenya and the prize is tagged at Sh1 million ( see link http://businesstoday.co.ke/news/2012/11/22/sharp-returns-kenya-crazy-deal-sh...) Just who's going to buy this monster?

Luke M.

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This is why the grassroots system is broken This picture was taken outside an aspiring politician's (not in a Nairobi constituency) office building. Regards   Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012, 18:28 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who will buy this Sh1.8m TV? agreed phares On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: Another thing is to raise the salaries of unskilled staff. Benevolent self interest. This will allow them to have some form of dignity and raise children who can participate in the skilled labour market. This is something we can all do, effectively helping alleviate poverty, one step at a time. 

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> wrote:

I disagree, the changes must start from the grassroots. Kenyans must start speaking out against inequality. Like the greenbelt movement. A good place to start is bringing salaries of national officials in line.

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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately I don't think such changes can start from the grassroots. 

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A leader willing to take the flack and protect his bureaucracy as they do their jobs. When we allocate responsibility to everyone, we allocate it it to no-one.  A decisive person that is willing to deal with security, economic and policy issues with a clear plan with the interest of the citizens as a priority. It must start from the top. 

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:22 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Warigia,

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Yes you are the only one who thinks it is shocking that our Ministers are paid this much and I am not being derogatory, African politics is about poverty and subjugation which is why, except for Peter Kenneth, very few politicians who tried to uplift the standard of living of their constituents makes it back for a second term. 

As you may be aware 5 years is not enough to show a marked change in a society and because of our agrarian thinking based on the cycle of the maize crop and at times sukuma wiki we tend to expect instant results once a new MP has been elected which is not feasible.  This will be better brought to the fore with the devolution where societies that have been relying on government handouts will realise that moving from a net consumer to a net producer takes more than 5

years, which is the reason I will not stand for governor (I have resolved myself to buying a degree from an online university, maybe even a PhD) during this trial phase.

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So as the electorate we prefer to get the 50/- dished out during the campaign period than hope for a more permanent solution from the MP, in exchange the MP spends Kes. 100 Million during the campaign and spends the next 5 years trying to recover from the hole this dug into their pockets by regularly increasing their remuneration to keep ahead of inflation.  Our MPs have increased their pay from a paltry 7,500/- 30 years ago to the current levels all because we, the electorate, have kept raising campaign costs by demanding larger and larger pesa pap.

Which explains why there are rarely any dissenting voices in parliament as they propose to increase their salaries every other week, as all wear the same shoe and they all know where it bites. 

Look around

at many of our former MP's they are a shadow of their former selves, more so those who believed that they where there to serve the electorate, the ones who used their time in parliament enriching themselves are at times better off.

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Please ask the same question to someone whose parent has been involved in politics, they will tell you that the amount paid is too little to make up for the emotionally and financially damage to the children and spouses.

The system is broken, how do we fix it?

Regards

  Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

________________________________ From: Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2012, 20:39 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who will buy this Sh1.8m TV?

I think that it is actually a crime that our ministers and MPs get paid this much.

According to the World Bank, Kenya is a low income country, and 45.9 percent of the country lives in poverty, and the GNI per capita is $820 dollars.

That means that this TV is worth almost 20 times (TWENTY TIMES) than the average annual pay of the average Mwananchi.

People, am I the only one who thinks it is shocking that our Ministers get paid 20 times more than the national average pay for a YEAR in one month?

Warigia

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:20 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Samsung on Friday launched a 84" LED 3D monitor worth Kes. 1.8 M which is equivalent to a Ministers 1 month pay and a MP's 2 months pay.

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  Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya

Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

________________________________ From: luke mulunda <lmulunda@yahoo.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012, 12:51 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who will buy this Sh1m TV?

guys, Sharp just launched an 80-inch LED TV in Kenya and the prize is tagged at Sh1 million ( see link http://businesstoday.co.ke/news/2012/11/22/sharp-returns-kenya-crazy-deal-sh... ) Just who's going to buy this monster?

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Wow! -----Original Message----- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+alice=apc.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:50:52 To: <alice@apc.org> Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who will buy this Sh1.8m TV? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alice%40apc.org The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

I will give my 2 cents from a legal perspective ....There is no standard legal way that is used to deal with copy right issues touching on employee and employer relationships,mostly different countries have different national legislation to deal with the issue ....and IP rights or laws differs substantially between the two main legal systems in the world today, the common law system and the civil law system. In the common law system e.g. in the United States and in the United Kingdom (Kenya has borrowed from the two), the investor (employer) benefits from its employees’ intellectual creations. In those countries the employer is the initial owner of the employees’ intellectual property rights produced in the course of the employment. The employer is treated as the first owner, but not deemed to be the author. Therefore the duration of copyright, for example, is measured with reference to the life of the employed creator. Further on, the national laws in these countries make it clear that contractual provisions, whether expressed or implied, can affect the employer’s initial ownership. In the civil law system to which most of the countries of Continental Europe –Germany, France and the Nordic countries, for example – belong, a legal person such as an employer, may not generally be deemed the first holder of an intellectual property right. Those rights are normally linked to individual persons. Therefore, an employer may normally only obtain intellectual property rights by assignment by law or in contract. Since Kenya lacks exhaustive and detailed legislation to deal with copyright issues of this nature I will borrow from the EU.The European Commission published proposals for copyrights within the EU,If you look at Directive 91/250/EEC on the Legal Protection of Computer Programs,. Article 2(3) of the Directive contains a mandatory requirement on employees’ programs.The employer shall exclusively be entitled to exercise all economic rights in an employee’s computer program, where a program is created in the execution of the employee’s duties or where the employee is following instructions given by the employer. It is an automatic legal transfer of the copyright in computer programs. However, if the parties agree, the employed author of the computer program can recover the rights through a specific clause in the employment contract or a separate agreement on the exploitation of the computer program made by the employee (waiving the legal automatic transfer of rights). My advice to the concerned employee is he could have found away of handling the issue amicably with the employer. Short of sounding pre-judicial he can not stop KRA from tendering for the software or using it.But all is not lost he can sell it to county governments and help them collect revenue from real estate as well. My arguments are from a law student perspective and I stand corrected from other senior and experienced legal ccontributors in this list. Thanks On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:45 PM, J.R. Kirongothi <kirongothi@kasneb.or.ke>wrote:

This is very strange. Its obvious that the employee developed the system as an employee hence for the employer. Simply put, it belongs to KRA! Why then would KRA be buying its property from a third party? And while the employee resigns to seek to supply, will he pay for the organisation's resources (including time) that he used to develop the system?

Capt(rtd) Jessie R. Kirongothi Email: kirongothi@kasneb.or.ke

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To: "Jessie R. Kirongothi" <kirongothi@kasneb.or.ke> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke**> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Resign and seek to supply the system as an outsider

KRA is a public body funded by taxpayers.Clearly it cannot behave like a private entity.Is there a public interest matter in this issue? Sent from my BlackBerry®

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The mediocrity that pervades our institutions is ridiculous How does a commissioner general comfortably display such arrogance? Are we that helpless that individuals supersede the integrity of the bureaucracy? On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 8:21 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Interesting response from the Commissioner General, what I am unable to understand is the part of his statement that " KRA is only looking for a database and not a computerised system" for 1 billion shillings.

Before this statement he made an even more interesting one “Our approach in this respect is informed by the fact that KRA’s core business is tax collection and not the development and maintenance of property or other databases.” so why hasn't KRA outsourced the SIMBA system and other applications?

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