Hi, I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page. Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through. As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas. On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD? Have a bandwidth available week Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
Hi Robert, I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days). I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc... Best regards, Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page.
Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through.
As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas.
On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD?
Have a bandwidth available week
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi, I have talked to them and all we get are promises, I have raised this issue multiple times over the past 6 months with no progress. What is more annoying is that this problem is with all the providers, I wonder who monitors there network coverage especially when their advertisements indicate that nairobi is fully covered. At least you and I can call and explain the technical details to the techies are the providers but what about wanjiku? Regards PS. Kenya must be the easiest place to do business where the client actually analysis your problems and even provides solutions for free. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Brian Longwe <[email protected]> To: robert yawe <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 8 March, 2010 12:15:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi Robert, I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days). I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc... Best regards, Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote: Hi,
I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page.
Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through.
As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas.
On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD?
Have a bandwidth available week
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Bob, I'll send you the email privately of someone who can help, sorry about your woes, but having provided Internet services for over 11yrs I know that tweaking and optimization is a critical aspect for any service provider, but customer service are not always effective in liaisong with the engineers responsible, bear with them and give them a chance to do their job (the engineers) :-) Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:39 PM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I have talked to them and all we get are promises, I have raised this issue multiple times over the past 6 months with no progress.
What is more annoying is that this problem is with all the providers, I wonder who monitors there network coverage especially when their advertisements indicate that nairobi is fully covered. At least you and I can call and explain the technical details to the techies are the providers but what about wanjiku?
Regards
PS. Kenya must be the easiest place to do business where the client actually analysis your problems and even provides solutions for free.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
From: Brian Longwe <[email protected]> To: robert yawe <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 8 March, 2010 12:15:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot
Hi Robert,
I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days).
I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc...
Best regards,
Mblayo
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page.
Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through.
As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas.
On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD?
Have a bandwidth available week
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi, Bob, How is the connectivity now. Please let me know if the connectivity problem was resolved..! i am almost signing a contract with safaricom for connectivity in south C. This is of great concern to me. Regards On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Longwe <[email protected]> wrote:
Bob,
I'll send you the email privately of someone who can help, sorry about your woes, but having provided Internet services for over 11yrs I know that tweaking and optimization is a critical aspect for any service provider, but customer service are not always effective in liaisong with the engineers responsible, bear with them and give them a chance to do their job (the engineers)
:-)
Mblayo
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:39 PM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I have talked to them and all we get are promises, I have raised this issue multiple times over the past 6 months with no progress.
What is more annoying is that this problem is with all the providers, I wonder who monitors there network coverage especially when their advertisements indicate that nairobi is fully covered. At least you and I can call and explain the technical details to the techies are the providers but what about wanjiku?
Regards
PS. Kenya must be the easiest place to do business where the client actually analysis your problems and even provides solutions for free.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Brian Longwe <[email protected]> *To:* robert yawe <[email protected]> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> *Sent:* Mon, 8 March, 2010 12:15:02 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot
Hi Robert,
I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days).
I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc...
Best regards,
Mblayo
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe < <[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page.
Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through.
As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas.
On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD?
Have a bandwidth available week
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Brian, I echo your frustration on 3G at home... It's quite something (when it works) :( however the last time I made an attempt to contact customer support I was in a bind since i'm an Zain. Do they have a universal helpline for Data users who are not on Safaricom? the long and short of it is I had to get someone who works there to get someone else to get a techie to call me back and then I got some help. My big question is what about "Wanjiku and the Watus?" who do not know that someone who will tell someone to get you some support? SammyG On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Tony Wainaina <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
Bob,
How is the connectivity now. Please let me know if the connectivity problem was resolved..! i am almost signing a contract with safaricom for connectivity in south C. This is of great concern to me.
Regards
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Longwe <[email protected]> wrote:
Bob,
I'll send you the email privately of someone who can help, sorry about your woes, but having provided Internet services for over 11yrs I know that tweaking and optimization is a critical aspect for any service provider, but customer service are not always effective in liaisong with the engineers responsible, bear with them and give them a chance to do their job (the engineers)
:-)
Mblayo
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:39 PM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I have talked to them and all we get are promises, I have raised this issue multiple times over the past 6 months with no progress.
What is more annoying is that this problem is with all the providers, I wonder who monitors there network coverage especially when their advertisements indicate that nairobi is fully covered. At least you and I can call and explain the technical details to the techies are the providers but what about wanjiku?
Regards
PS. Kenya must be the easiest place to do business where the client actually analysis your problems and even provides solutions for free.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Brian Longwe <[email protected]> *To:* robert yawe <[email protected]> *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> *Sent:* Mon, 8 March, 2010 12:15:02 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot
Hi Robert,
I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days).
I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc...
Best regards,
Mblayo
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe < <[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page.
Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through.
As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas.
On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD?
Have a bandwidth available week
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Listers, Allow me to be the devil's advocate. I suppose the problem here is not that 3G doesn't work, rather its that Safaricom are a victim of their own success. South C seems to be a hot issue here similar to the experience those in Gitanga road/ James Gichuru areas used to experience a while back and I may be wrong but these are isolated cases. One of the challenges I understand they have had is getting a suitable location for their BTSs in some of these locations i.e area behind the Junction. I am sure they could do better though by deploying stronger radios from the nearest BTSs in these problem spots. Maybe boosters would help too but then again the owners of buildings in these areas must cooperate with Safaricom. I can say am one happy user and I am sure we aren't few. Think about it, we have seen worse days than these. All the best though Mr. Yawe or is it (Yahweh).. J My two cents. EK From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sam Gatere Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:44 AM To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Brian, I echo your frustration on 3G at home... It's quite something (when it works) :( however the last time I made an attempt to contact customer support I was in a bind since i'm an Zain. Do they have a universal helpline for Data users who are not on Safaricom? the long and short of it is I had to get someone who works there to get someone else to get a techie to call me back and then I got some help. My big question is what about "Wanjiku and the Watus?" who do not know that someone who will tell someone to get you some support? SammyG On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Tony Wainaina <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, Bob, How is the connectivity now. Please let me know if the connectivity problem was resolved..! i am almost signing a contract with safaricom for connectivity in south C. This is of great concern to me. Regards On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Longwe <[email protected]> wrote: Bob, I'll send you the email privately of someone who can help, sorry about your woes, but having provided Internet services for over 11yrs I know that tweaking and optimization is a critical aspect for any service provider, but customer service are not always effective in liaisong with the engineers responsible, bear with them and give them a chance to do their job (the engineers) :-) Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:39 PM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I have talked to them and all we get are promises, I have raised this issue multiple times over the past 6 months with no progress. What is more annoying is that this problem is with all the providers, I wonder who monitors there network coverage especially when their advertisements indicate that nairobi is fully covered. At least you and I can call and explain the technical details to the techies are the providers but what about wanjiku? Regards PS. Kenya must be the easiest place to do business where the client actually analysis your problems and even provides solutions for free. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Brian Longwe <[email protected]> To: robert yawe <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 8 March, 2010 12:15:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi Robert, I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days). I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc... Best regards, Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page. Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through. As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas. On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD? Have a bandwidth available week Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awainaina%40gmail.com -- Regards Tony Wainaina _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/sam.gatere%40gmail.com
Hi, I advice is if you plan to use the 3G service from home then move houses, this issues has yet to be resolved and with the new snail pace I do not expect it to be resolved soon. But I could be wrong. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Tony Wainaina <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 9:10:49 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi, Bob, How is the connectivity now. Please let me know if the connectivity problem was resolved..! i am almost signing a contract with safaricom for connectivity in south C. This is of great concern to me. Regards On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Longwe <[email protected]> wrote: Bob,
I'll send you the email privately of someone who can help, sorry about your woes, but having provided Internet services for over 11yrs I know that tweaking and optimization is a critical aspect for any service provider, but customer service are not always effective in liaisong with the engineers responsible, bear with them and give them a chance to do their job (the engineers)
:-)
Mblayo
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:39 PM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I have talked to them and all we get are promises, I have raised this issue multiple times over the past 6 months with no progress.
What is more annoying is that this problem is with all the providers, I wonder who monitors there network coverage especially when their advertisements indicate that nairobi is fully covered. At least you and I can call and explain the technical details to the techies are the providers but what about wanjiku?
Regards
PS. Kenya must be the easiest place to do business where the client actually analysis your problems and even provides solutions for free.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Brian Longwe <[email protected]>
To: robert yawe <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 8 March, 2010 12:15:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot
Hi Robert,
I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days).
I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc...
Best regards,
Mblayo
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page.
Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through.
As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas.
On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD?
Have a bandwidth available week
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi Robert - here in Kilimani it is the 3G guys who are our saviour. Our usual WIMAX service provider is a big let down. Even this msg I am sending through the 3G guys! Waudo On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:51 +0000, "robert yawe" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I advice is if you plan to use the 3G service from home then move houses, this issues has yet to be resolved and with the new snail pace I do not expect it to be resolved soon. But I could be wrong. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ____________________________________________________________ From: Tony Wainaina <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 9:10:49 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi, Bob, How is the connectivity now. Please let me know if the connectivity problem was resolved..! i am almost signing a contract with safaricom for connectivity in south C. This is of great concern to me. Regards On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Longwe <[1][email protected]> wrote: Bob, I'll send you the email privately of someone who can help, sorry about your woes, but having provided Internet services for over 11yrs I know that tweaking and optimization is a critical aspect for any service provider, but customer service are not always effective in liaisong with the engineers responsible, bear with them and give them a chance to do their job (the engineers) :-) Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:39 PM, robert yawe <[2][email protected]> wrote: Hi, I have talked to them and all we get are promises, I have raised this issue multiple times over the past 6 months with no progress. What is more annoying is that this problem is with all the providers, I wonder who monitors there network coverage especially when their advertisements indicate that nairobi is fully covered. At least you and I can call and explain the technical details to the techies are the providers but what about wanjiku? Regards PS. Kenya must be the easiest place to do business where the client actually analysis your problems and even provides solutions for free. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ____________________________________________________________ From: Brian Longwe <[3][email protected]> To: robert yawe <[4][email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[5][email protected]> Sent: Mon, 8 March, 2010 12:15:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi Robert, I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days). I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc... Best regards, Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <[6][email protected]> wrote: Hi, I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page. Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through. As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas. On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD? Have a bandwidth available week Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [7][email protected] [8]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [9][email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at [10]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [11][email protected] [12]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [13][email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at [14]http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awain aina%40gmail.com -- Regards Tony Wainaina _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman /options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.com References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. mailto:[email protected] 6. mailto:[email protected] 7. mailto:[email protected] 8. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet 9. mailto:[email protected] 10. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com 11. mailto:[email protected] 12. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet 13. mailto:[email protected] 14. http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awainaina%40gmail.com
Now this is where we talk of some people being more equal than others yet we hear that 3G is all over Nairobi, courtesy of Safaricom. My little worry is, what happens when the other three networks roll 3G at once? Chaos will reign, methinks! Or maybe this is an attempted sabotage? On 09/03/2010, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Robert - here in Kilimani it is the 3G guys who are our saviour. Our usual WIMAX service provider is a big let down. Even this msg I am sending through the 3G guys!
Waudo On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:51 +0000, "robert yawe" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, I advice is if you plan to use the 3G service from home then move houses, this issues has yet to be resolved and with the new snail pace I do not expect it to be resolved soon. But I could be wrong. Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ____________________________________________________________
From: Tony Wainaina <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 9:10:49 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi, Bob, How is the connectivity now. Please let me know if the connectivity problem was resolved..! i am almost signing a contract with safaricom for connectivity in south C. This is of great concern to me. Regards On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Longwe <[1][email protected]> wrote:
Bob,
I'll send you the email privately of someone who can help, sorry about your woes, but having provided Internet services for over 11yrs I know that tweaking and optimization is a critical aspect for any service provider, but customer service are not always effective in liaisong with the engineers responsible, bear with them and give them a chance to do their job (the engineers)
:-)
Mblayo Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:39 PM, robert yawe <[2][email protected]> wrote:
Hi, I have talked to them and all we get are promises, I have raised this issue multiple times over the past 6 months with no progress. What is more annoying is that this problem is with all the providers, I wonder who monitors there network coverage especially when their advertisements indicate that nairobi is fully covered. At least you and I can call and explain the technical details to the techies are the providers but what about wanjiku? Regards PS. Kenya must be the easiest place to do business where the client actually analysis your problems and even provides solutions for free.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ____________________________________________________________
From: Brian Longwe <[3][email protected]> To: robert yawe <[4][email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[5][email protected]> Sent: Mon, 8 March, 2010 12:15:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi Robert,
I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days).
I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc...
Best regards,
Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <[6][email protected]> wrote:
Hi, I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page. Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through. As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas. On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD? Have a bandwidth available week Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Hi, This is what I call the digital divide in action the dividing line being Langata Road/Uhuru Highway. Waudo in Millimani has reliable 3G and so does Khisa in Lavington, so what happens to Wanjiku, does she need to cross the divide to Kawangware? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: waudo siganga <[email protected]> To: robert yawe <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 13:56:46 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi Robert - here in Kilimani it is the 3G guys who are our saviour. Our usual WIMAX service provider is a big let down. Even this msg I am sending through the 3G guys! Waudo On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:51 +0000, "robert yawe" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi,
I advice is if you plan to use the 3G service from home then move houses, this issues has yet to be resolved and with the new snail pace I do not expect it to be resolved soon. But I could be wrong.
Regards
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Tony Wainaina <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 9:10:49 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot
Hi,
Bob,
How is the connectivity now. Please let me know if the connectivity problem was resolved..! i am almost signing a contract with safaricom for connectivity in south C. This is of great concern to me.
Regards
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Longwe <[email protected]> wrote:
Bob,
I'll send you the email privately of someone who can help, sorry about your woes, but having provided Internet services for over 11yrs I know that tweaking and optimization is a critical aspect for any service provider, but customer service are not always effective in liaisong with the engineers responsible, bear with them and give them a chance to do their job (the engineers)
:-)
Mblayo
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:39 PM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I have talked to them and all we get are promises, I have raised this issue multiple times over the past 6 months with no progress.
What is more annoying is that this problem is with all the providers, I wonder who monitors there network coverage especially when their advertisements indicate that nairobi is fully covered. At least you and I can call and explain the technical details to the techies are the providers but what about wanjiku?
Regards
PS. Kenya must be the easiest place to do business where the client actually analysis your problems and even provides solutions for free.
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
From: Brian Longwe <[email protected]>
To: robert yawe <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 8 March, 2010 12:15:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot
Hi Robert,
I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days).
I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc...
Best regards,
Mblayo
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
>>I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page.
>>Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through.
>>As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas.
>>On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD?
>>Have a bandwidth available week
>>Regards
Robert Yawe
>>KAY System Technologies Ltd >>Phoenix House, 6th Floor >>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >>Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Lol, Bob, I understand your frustration here. I am an Ongata Rongai Kenyan( I think I qualify to be Wanjiku in that sense and a Langata Road user too). I used Lavington because my colleagues out there had a peculiar problem like the one you have and it was resolved. I meant to communicate that the issues are resolvable and maybe MJ you want to let your boys do the trick for Mr. Yawe. Speaking of Ongata Rongai, service on 3G is our saviour since most providers consider us not part of Nairobi Province hence none has established any meaningful presence. 3 G works for us. Anyway, I wish you luck Bob with your quest for better service for the greater good of us all. Regards, Emmanuel From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:51 PM To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi, This is what I call the digital divide in action the dividing line being Langata Road/Uhuru Highway. Waudo in Millimani has reliable 3G and so does Khisa in Lavington, so what happens to Wanjiku, does she need to cross the divide to Kawangware? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: waudo siganga <[email protected]> To: robert yawe <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 13:56:46 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi Robert - here in Kilimani it is the 3G guys who are our saviour. Our usual WIMAX service provider is a big let down. Even this msg I am sending through the 3G guys! Waudo On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:51 +0000, "robert yawe" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I advice is if you plan to use the 3G service from home then move houses, this issues has yet to be resolved and with the new snail pace I do not expect it to be resolved soon. But I could be wrong. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Tony Wainaina <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 9:10:49 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi, Bob, How is the connectivity now. Please let me know if the connectivity problem was resolved..! i am almost signing a contract with safaricom for connectivity in south C. This is of great concern to me. Regards On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Brian Longwe <[email protected]> wrote: Bob, I'll send you the email privately of someone who can help, sorry about your woes, but having provided Internet services for over 11yrs I know that tweaking and optimization is a critical aspect for any service provider, but customer service are not always effective in liaisong with the engineers responsible, bear with them and give them a chance to do their job (the engineers) :-) Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:39 PM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I have talked to them and all we get are promises, I have raised this issue multiple times over the past 6 months with no progress. What is more annoying is that this problem is with all the providers, I wonder who monitors there network coverage especially when their advertisements indicate that nairobi is fully covered. At least you and I can call and explain the technical details to the techies are the providers but what about wanjiku? Regards PS. Kenya must be the easiest place to do business where the client actually analysis your problems and even provides solutions for free. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Brian Longwe <[email protected]> To: robert yawe <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 8 March, 2010 12:15:02 Subject: Re: [kictanet] 3G My foot Hi Robert, I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days). I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc... Best regards, Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page. Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through. As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas. On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD? Have a bandwidth available week Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awainaina%40gmail.com -- Regards Tony Wainaina _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.c...
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this. The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget? Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya? We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions. Regards, Ikua
On 9 March 2010 10:39, <[email protected]> wrote:
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this.
The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget?
Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya?
We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions.
Regards, Ikua
I was also reading through this article on the Daily Nation about e-Waste (see http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/E%20waste%20threat%20grows%20by%20the%2...) and I'm really appalled at the way the health of the children is put at risk. I wonder whether there are stringent mechanism in place, or being developed for managing e-waste in Kenya.
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Hi, As I have said many a times before, no one ever died from using a previously owned computer, bring them in be it P1 or DuoCore what we need is to increase the number of computers out there not the value of each computer. 90% of people who carry a smartphone (e.g. blackberry or Palm) utilise less than 5% of the capabilities the same applies for the user of a DuoCore PC. Lets stop being elitist least the masses behead us as befell Marie Antoinette (google for details). Fine here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake I only wish it would be as easy to find the meaning of kubafu. A school will be more likely to leave a class 3 student unattended with a 3,500/- P1 than with a 45,000/- duocore computer. Spread the computer around literally sore then like seed those that land on fertile ground will germinate and create great developers the rest, well thats a topic for another day. Lets get back to basic"s", "hello world" Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 9 March, 2010 10:39:32 Subject: [kictanet] the used computers debate So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this. The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget? Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya? We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions. Regards, Ikua _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: [email protected] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u...
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to proceed from there before blaming the Ministry. Waudo On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this.
The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget?
Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya?
We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions.
Regards, Ikua
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Colleagues, "In a recent report, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo proposed a ban on used computer imports. This is good because of the growing threat posed by hazardous e-waste from used electronic equipment — computers, mobile phones, television sets and even fridges." This is just a proposal, i agree with Mr. Ikua there is misrepresentation of facts, let us focus on access for all and if used computers can address this issue then they should be permitted, ikssues of e-waste can be handled by KEBS, i am aware of the fact that there are vested interests in the whole issue, if we are not careful we will continue playing second fiddle to Europe and other continents I am sickened by the fact that we are are mostly "resellers" and "consumers"(peripheral roles) access is what will stimulate knowledge transfer hence innovation. We need a stakeholder meeting before the ban is effected if at all it will be effected and possibly a referendum on the matter. Thank you On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to proceed from there before blaming the Ministry.
Waudo
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this.
The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget?
Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya?
We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions.
Regards, Ikua
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As much as we want to be proud of ourselves, it's only fair we realize Kenya is a "developing third world" as the wabeberu likes to call us. In that regard, second hand items will always be part of us, cars, computers, etc. Instead of issuing a total ban, we can grade the second hand electronic equipments that get into the country, just like we do for cars. This will not prevent 'contraband' computers getting into the market, just the way we can't prevent illicit drugs, and cars older than 10years sneaking through our ports, but at least will help in regulating the quality that gets in. Politics is a game of interest, but when making policies, we should always look at the good interests of the whole county. PS Ndemo, and me can afford powerful new computers, but what about the college kid who is learning how to code, or the estate entrepreneur who is setting up a cyber? We all know that some new computer clones have poor performance than most branded second hand imports. For example, I have never been able to buy a durable new keyboard or mouse, unless its part of a western branded new or second hand computer. Maybe I don't know where to shop. Most of the techies in this list will agree that a western branded second hand computer (HP, Dell, et al) with 2.5GHZ CPU, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD, and a TFT all costing roughly KES24,000, and are just as good for daily applications Regards Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248 ____________________ transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing biblia.kenya.or.ke | A verse a day kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know On 11 March 2010 10:51, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> wrote:
Colleagues,
"In a recent report, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo proposed a ban on used computer imports. This is good because of the growing threat posed by hazardous e-waste from used electronic equipment — computers, mobile phones, television sets and even fridges."
This is just a proposal, i agree with Mr. Ikua there is misrepresentation of facts, let us focus on access for all and if used computers can address this issue then they should be permitted, ikssues of e-waste can be handled by KEBS, i am aware of the fact that there are vested interests in the whole issue, if we are not careful we will continue playing second fiddle to Europe and other continents I am sickened by the fact that we are are mostly "resellers" and "consumers"(peripheral roles) access is what will stimulate knowledge transfer hence innovation. We need a stakeholder meeting before the ban is effected if at all it will be effected and possibly a referendum on the matter.
Thank you
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to proceed from there before blaming the Ministry.
Waudo
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this.
The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget?
Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya?
We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions.
Regards, Ikua
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Thank you Kivuva for echoing my concerns. To answer you Dr Waudo, I don't agree with you that we are too busy. As much as I agree that the PS is quite available all round for consultation, my problem is the way these policy pronouncements appear in the media, with no visible option for recourse. When the PS announces in the media that he will ban used computers, it seems like the decision has already been made. That is what my complain was about. I wish he had invited industry players to give their views for or against such a drastic decision. I will actually seek to have an audience with him and try and make him see our side of the story, as we also try and understand where he is coming from. I believe he has the best interests of our country at heart, as we all do. Knowing that Dr. Ndemo will read this, please grant us an audience when we call your office. Regards, Ikua Quoting lordmwesh <[email protected]>:
As much as we want to be proud of ourselves, it's only fair we realize Kenya is a "developing third world" as the wabeberu likes to call us.
In that regard, second hand items will always be part of us, cars, computers, etc.
Instead of issuing a total ban, we can grade the second hand electronic equipments that get into the country, just like we do for cars. This will not prevent 'contraband' computers getting into the market, just the way we can't prevent illicit drugs, and cars older than 10years sneaking through our ports, but at least will help in regulating the quality that gets in.
Politics is a game of interest, but when making policies, we should always look at the good interests of the whole county.
PS Ndemo, and me can afford powerful new computers, but what about the college kid who is learning how to code, or the estate entrepreneur who is setting up a cyber?
We all know that some new computer clones have poor performance than most branded second hand imports. For example, I have never been able to buy a durable new keyboard or mouse, unless its part of a western branded new or second hand computer. Maybe I don't know where to shop.
Most of the techies in this list will agree that a western branded second hand computer (HP, Dell, et al) with 2.5GHZ CPU, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD, and a TFT all costing roughly KES24,000, and are just as good for daily applications
Regards
Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248
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On 11 March 2010 10:51, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> wrote:
Colleagues,
"In a recent report, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo proposed a ban on used computer imports. This is good because of the growing threat posed by hazardous e-waste from used electronic equipment ? computers, mobile phones, television sets and even fridges."
This is just a proposal, i agree with Mr. Ikua there is misrepresentation of facts, let us focus on access for all and if used computers can address this issue then they should be permitted, ikssues of e-waste can be handled by KEBS, i am aware of the fact that there are vested interests in the whole issue, if we are not careful we will continue playing second fiddle to Europe and other continents I am sickened by the fact that we are are mostly "resellers" and "consumers"(peripheral roles) access is what will stimulate knowledge transfer hence innovation. We need a stakeholder meeting before the ban is effected if at all it will be effected and possibly a referendum on the matter.
Thank you
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to proceed from there before blaming the Ministry.
Waudo
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this.
The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget?
Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya?
We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions.
Regards, Ikua
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Thanks Evans. As I said the "ban"saddens me which means I am against it and indeed I have many reasons for that. But if you notice, there are a number of policy pronouncements being made and "debate" follows later. My sense is that the government side do not have time to keep "waiting" for people to go there and so we need to have more initiative in our engagement. This is where I thought as an industry we are lacking. Trying to change policies that have already been decided is an uphill task but let's hope your efforts will bear something. I am with you all the way. Waudo On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:15 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
Thank you Kivuva for echoing my concerns.
To answer you Dr Waudo, I don't agree with you that we are too busy. As much as I agree that the PS is quite available all round for consultation, my problem is the way these policy pronouncements appear in the media, with no visible option for recourse. When the PS announces in the media that he will ban used computers, it seems like the decision has already been made. That is what my complain was about. I wish he had invited industry players to give their views for or against such a drastic decision.
I will actually seek to have an audience with him and try and make him see our side of the story, as we also try and understand where he is coming from. I believe he has the best interests of our country at heart, as we all do.
Knowing that Dr. Ndemo will read this, please grant us an audience when we call your office.
Regards, Ikua
Quoting lordmwesh <[email protected]>:
As much as we want to be proud of ourselves, it's only fair we realize Kenya is a "developing third world" as the wabeberu likes to call us.
In that regard, second hand items will always be part of us, cars, computers, etc.
Instead of issuing a total ban, we can grade the second hand electronic equipments that get into the country, just like we do for cars. This will not prevent 'contraband' computers getting into the market, just the way we can't prevent illicit drugs, and cars older than 10years sneaking through our ports, but at least will help in regulating the quality that gets in.
Politics is a game of interest, but when making policies, we should always look at the good interests of the whole county.
PS Ndemo, and me can afford powerful new computers, but what about the college kid who is learning how to code, or the estate entrepreneur who is setting up a cyber?
We all know that some new computer clones have poor performance than most branded second hand imports. For example, I have never been able to buy a durable new keyboard or mouse, unless its part of a western branded new or second hand computer. Maybe I don't know where to shop.
Most of the techies in this list will agree that a western branded second hand computer (HP, Dell, et al) with 2.5GHZ CPU, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD, and a TFT all costing roughly KES24,000, and are just as good for daily applications
Regards
Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248
____________________ transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing biblia.kenya.or.ke | A verse a day kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
On 11 March 2010 10:51, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> wrote:
Colleagues,
"In a recent report, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo proposed a ban on used computer imports. This is good because of the growing threat posed by hazardous e-waste from used electronic equipment ? computers, mobile phones, television sets and even fridges."
This is just a proposal, i agree with Mr. Ikua there is misrepresentation of facts, let us focus on access for all and if used computers can address this issue then they should be permitted, ikssues of e-waste can be handled by KEBS, i am aware of the fact that there are vested interests in the whole issue, if we are not careful we will continue playing second fiddle to Europe and other continents I am sickened by the fact that we are are mostly "resellers" and "consumers"(peripheral roles) access is what will stimulate knowledge transfer hence innovation. We need a stakeholder meeting before the ban is effected if at all it will be effected and possibly a referendum on the matter.
Thank you
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to proceed from there before blaming the Ministry.
Waudo
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this.
The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget?
Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya?
We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions.
Regards, Ikua
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by the way what will happen to initiatives like Computers for Schools, the ICT Trust, and others who have been doing an incredible job getting ICT to the people via the "maligned" used refurbished computers? On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:15 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
Thank you Kivuva for echoing my concerns.
To answer you Dr Waudo, I don't agree with you that we are too busy. As much as I agree that the PS is quite available all round for consultation, my problem is the way these policy pronouncements appear in the media, with no visible option for recourse. When the PS announces in the media that he will ban used computers, it seems like the decision has already been made. That is what my complain was about. I wish he had invited industry players to give their views for or against such a drastic decision.
I will actually seek to have an audience with him and try and make him see our side of the story, as we also try and understand where he is coming from. I believe he has the best interests of our country at heart, as we all do.
Knowing that Dr. Ndemo will read this, please grant us an audience when we call your office.
Regards, Ikua
Quoting lordmwesh <[email protected]>:
As much as we want to be proud of ourselves, it's only fair we realize Kenya is a "developing third world" as the wabeberu likes to call us.
In that regard, second hand items will always be part of us, cars, computers, etc.
Instead of issuing a total ban, we can grade the second hand electronic equipments that get into the country, just like we do for cars. This will not prevent 'contraband' computers getting into the market, just the way we can't prevent illicit drugs, and cars older than 10years sneaking through our ports, but at least will help in regulating the quality that gets in.
Politics is a game of interest, but when making policies, we should always look at the good interests of the whole county.
PS Ndemo, and me can afford powerful new computers, but what about the college kid who is learning how to code, or the estate entrepreneur who is setting up a cyber?
We all know that some new computer clones have poor performance than most branded second hand imports. For example, I have never been able to buy a durable new keyboard or mouse, unless its part of a western branded new or second hand computer. Maybe I don't know where to shop.
Most of the techies in this list will agree that a western branded second hand computer (HP, Dell, et al) with 2.5GHZ CPU, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD, and a TFT all costing roughly KES24,000, and are just as good for daily applications
Regards
Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248
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On 11 March 2010 10:51, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> wrote:
Colleagues,
"In a recent report, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo proposed a ban on used computer imports. This is good because of the growing threat posed by hazardous e-waste from used electronic equipment ? computers, mobile phones, television sets and even fridges."
This is just a proposal, i agree with Mr. Ikua there is misrepresentation of facts, let us focus on access for all and if used computers can address this issue then they should be permitted, ikssues of e-waste can be handled by KEBS, i am aware of the fact that there are vested interests in the whole issue, if we are not careful we will continue playing second fiddle to Europe and other continents I am sickened by the fact that we are are mostly "resellers" and "consumers"(peripheral roles) access is what will stimulate knowledge transfer hence innovation. We need a stakeholder meeting before the ban is effected if at all it will be effected and possibly a referendum on the matter.
Thank you
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to proceed from there before blaming the Ministry.
Waudo
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this.
The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget?
Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya?
We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions.
Regards, Ikua
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Daktari, I think a stakeholders meeting on the above mentioned subject would be appropriate, we need to take stock of the impact of the computerization initiatives that is the gains we have made with the the refurbished computers, this could justify Ikua's position. Our good friend Prof Waema could guide us on how to conduct the research it could be an online research project, better still the Computer Society of Kenya can take up a challenge and possibly sponsor a town hall meeting (commission of inquiry). On another note are there any lessons we can learn from the "Nyayo" pioneer car ? it would be great for future generations, where are we at with e-mado? Regards On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:04 AM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
by the way what will happen to initiatives like Computers for Schools, the ICT Trust, and others who have been doing an incredible job getting ICT to the people via the "maligned" used refurbished computers?
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:15 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
Thank you Kivuva for echoing my concerns.
To answer you Dr Waudo, I don't agree with you that we are too busy. As much as I agree that the PS is quite available all round for consultation, my problem is the way these policy pronouncements appear in the media, with no visible option for recourse. When the PS announces in the media that he will ban used computers, it seems like the decision has already been made. That is what my complain was about. I wish he had invited industry players to give their views for or against such a drastic decision.
I will actually seek to have an audience with him and try and make him see our side of the story, as we also try and understand where he is coming from. I believe he has the best interests of our country at heart, as we all do.
Knowing that Dr. Ndemo will read this, please grant us an audience when we call your office.
Regards, Ikua
Quoting lordmwesh <[email protected]>:
As much as we want to be proud of ourselves, it's only fair we realize Kenya is a "developing third world" as the wabeberu likes to call us.
In that regard, second hand items will always be part of us, cars, computers, etc.
Instead of issuing a total ban, we can grade the second hand electronic equipments that get into the country, just like we do for cars. This will not prevent 'contraband' computers getting into the market, just the way we can't prevent illicit drugs, and cars older than 10years sneaking through our ports, but at least will help in regulating the quality that gets in.
Politics is a game of interest, but when making policies, we should always look at the good interests of the whole county.
PS Ndemo, and me can afford powerful new computers, but what about the college kid who is learning how to code, or the estate entrepreneur who is setting up a cyber?
We all know that some new computer clones have poor performance than most branded second hand imports. For example, I have never been able to buy a durable new keyboard or mouse, unless its part of a western branded new or second hand computer. Maybe I don't know where to shop.
Most of the techies in this list will agree that a western branded second hand computer (HP, Dell, et al) with 2.5GHZ CPU, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD, and a TFT all costing roughly KES24,000, and are just as good for daily applications
Regards
Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248
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On 11 March 2010 10:51, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> wrote:
Colleagues,
"In a recent report, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo proposed a ban on used computer imports. This is good because of the growing threat posed by hazardous e-waste from used electronic equipment ? computers, mobile phones, television sets and even fridges."
This is just a proposal, i agree with Mr. Ikua there is misrepresentation of facts, let us focus on access for all and if used computers can address this issue then they should be permitted, ikssues of e-waste can be handled by KEBS, i am aware of the fact that there are vested interests in the whole issue, if we are not careful we will continue playing second fiddle to Europe and other continents I am sickened by the fact that we are are mostly "resellers" and "consumers"(peripheral roles) access is what will stimulate knowledge transfer hence innovation. We need a stakeholder meeting before the ban is effected if at all it will be effected and possibly a referendum on the matter.
Thank you
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to proceed from there before blaming the Ministry.
Waudo
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this.
The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget?
Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya?
We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions.
Regards, Ikua
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Thanks Barack and congratulations for earning a stint at the IGF offices in Geneva. When are you leaving? I am sure you will be a wonderful ambassador for us all. Best wishes. On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:27 +0200, "Barrack Otieno" <[email protected]> wrote:
Daktari,
I think a stakeholders meeting on the above mentioned subject would be appropriate, we need to take stock of the impact of the computerization initiatives that is the gains we have made with the the refurbished computers, this could justify Ikua's position. Our good friend Prof Waema could guide us on how to conduct the research it could be an online research project, better still the Computer Society of Kenya can take up a challenge and possibly sponsor a town hall meeting (commission of inquiry). On another note are there any lessons we can learn from the "Nyayo" pioneer car ? it would be great for future generations, where are we at with e-mado?
Regards
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:04 AM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
by the way what will happen to initiatives like Computers for Schools, the ICT Trust, and others who have been doing an incredible job getting ICT to the people via the "maligned" used refurbished computers?
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:15 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
Thank you Kivuva for echoing my concerns.
To answer you Dr Waudo, I don't agree with you that we are too busy. As much as I agree that the PS is quite available all round for consultation, my problem is the way these policy pronouncements appear in the media, with no visible option for recourse. When the PS announces in the media that he will ban used computers, it seems like the decision has already been made. That is what my complain was about. I wish he had invited industry players to give their views for or against such a drastic decision.
I will actually seek to have an audience with him and try and make him see our side of the story, as we also try and understand where he is coming from. I believe he has the best interests of our country at heart, as we all do.
Knowing that Dr. Ndemo will read this, please grant us an audience when we call your office.
Regards, Ikua
Quoting lordmwesh <[email protected]>:
As much as we want to be proud of ourselves, it's only fair we realize Kenya is a "developing third world" as the wabeberu likes to call us.
In that regard, second hand items will always be part of us, cars, computers, etc.
Instead of issuing a total ban, we can grade the second hand electronic equipments that get into the country, just like we do for cars. This will not prevent 'contraband' computers getting into the market, just the way we can't prevent illicit drugs, and cars older than 10years sneaking through our ports, but at least will help in regulating the quality that gets in.
Politics is a game of interest, but when making policies, we should always look at the good interests of the whole county.
PS Ndemo, and me can afford powerful new computers, but what about the college kid who is learning how to code, or the estate entrepreneur who is setting up a cyber?
We all know that some new computer clones have poor performance than most branded second hand imports. For example, I have never been able to buy a durable new keyboard or mouse, unless its part of a western branded new or second hand computer. Maybe I don't know where to shop.
Most of the techies in this list will agree that a western branded second hand computer (HP, Dell, et al) with 2.5GHZ CPU, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD, and a TFT all costing roughly KES24,000, and are just as good for daily applications
Regards
Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248
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On 11 March 2010 10:51, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> wrote:
Colleagues,
"In a recent report, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo proposed a ban on used computer imports. This is good because of the growing threat posed by hazardous e-waste from used electronic equipment ? computers, mobile phones, television sets and even fridges."
This is just a proposal, i agree with Mr. Ikua there is misrepresentation of facts, let us focus on access for all and if used computers can address this issue then they should be permitted, ikssues of e-waste can be handled by KEBS, i am aware of the fact that there are vested interests in the whole issue, if we are not careful we will continue playing second fiddle to Europe and other continents I am sickened by the fact that we are are mostly "resellers" and "consumers"(peripheral roles) access is what will stimulate knowledge transfer hence innovation. We need a stakeholder meeting before the ban is effected if at all it will be effected and possibly a referendum on the matter.
Thank you
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to proceed from there before blaming the Ministry.
Waudo
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote: > So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the > Ministry will not relent on this. > > The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half > truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new > computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with > the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower > priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for > standard specs. > How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? > About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only > 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 > years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from > China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used > computer. > With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a > home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a > powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So > as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or > college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a > limited budget? > > Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead > of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT > technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. > which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? > How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and > to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in > Kenya? > > We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a > computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor > vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. > Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. > Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common > mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, > inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such > policy decisions. > > Regards, > Ikua > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.c... >
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Ikua, We can meet 4pm on Friday the 19th of this month. In my statement, I said "we are considering a ban". Treasury has had many problems with used electronic imports and computers are just one of them. We shall talk. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:15:02 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] the used computers debate Thank you Kivuva for echoing my concerns. To answer you Dr Waudo, I don't agree with you that we are too busy. As much as I agree that the PS is quite available all round for consultation, my problem is the way these policy pronouncements appear in the media, with no visible option for recourse. When the PS announces in the media that he will ban used computers, it seems like the decision has already been made. That is what my complain was about. I wish he had invited industry players to give their views for or against such a drastic decision. I will actually seek to have an audience with him and try and make him see our side of the story, as we also try and understand where he is coming from. I believe he has the best interests of our country at heart, as we all do. Knowing that Dr. Ndemo will read this, please grant us an audience when we call your office. Regards, Ikua Quoting lordmwesh <[email protected]>:
As much as we want to be proud of ourselves, it's only fair we realize Kenya is a "developing third world" as the wabeberu likes to call us.
In that regard, second hand items will always be part of us, cars, computers, etc.
Instead of issuing a total ban, we can grade the second hand electronic equipments that get into the country, just like we do for cars. This will not prevent 'contraband' computers getting into the market, just the way we can't prevent illicit drugs, and cars older than 10years sneaking through our ports, but at least will help in regulating the quality that gets in.
Politics is a game of interest, but when making policies, we should always look at the good interests of the whole county.
PS Ndemo, and me can afford powerful new computers, but what about the college kid who is learning how to code, or the estate entrepreneur who is setting up a cyber?
We all know that some new computer clones have poor performance than most branded second hand imports. For example, I have never been able to buy a durable new keyboard or mouse, unless its part of a western branded new or second hand computer. Maybe I don't know where to shop.
Most of the techies in this list will agree that a western branded second hand computer (HP, Dell, et al) with 2.5GHZ CPU, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD, and a TFT all costing roughly KES24,000, and are just as good for daily applications
Regards
Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248
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On 11 March 2010 10:51, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> wrote:
Colleagues,
"In a recent report, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo proposed a ban on used computer imports. This is good because of the growing threat posed by hazardous e-waste from used electronic equipment ? computers, mobile phones, television sets and even fridges."
This is just a proposal, i agree with Mr. Ikua there is misrepresentation of facts, let us focus on access for all and if used computers can address this issue then they should be permitted, ikssues of e-waste can be handled by KEBS, i am aware of the fact that there are vested interests in the whole issue, if we are not careful we will continue playing second fiddle to Europe and other continents I am sickened by the fact that we are are mostly "resellers" and "consumers"(peripheral roles) access is what will stimulate knowledge transfer hence innovation. We need a stakeholder meeting before the ban is effected if at all it will be effected and possibly a referendum on the matter.
Thank you
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to proceed from there before blaming the Ministry.
Waudo
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this.
The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget?
Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya?
We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions.
Regards, Ikua
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This openness from the PS is laudable. I met a mzungu during ICANN who was impressed that we have a PS who has agreed to be on a "Civil Society emailing List". he was wishing it was so in his country. Also recently I received an email from someone in the rural areas who had an IT investment idea and it read (un-edited) in part: "Kindly my dear friend, organise for a meeting between you, Luis Otieno(Microsoft), ICT Board Chairman - remind me his name - I gues its the former 3mice CEO(Problem of being in Shaggs!!!), George Okando, George Muhia - IBM , HP CEO and any other influential person e.g Permanent Secretary information ( DR Bitange)- I like this guys brains." So best wishes to Evans on the 19th! Waudo On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:10 +0000, [email protected] wrote:
Ikua, We can meet 4pm on Friday the 19th of this month. In my statement, I said "we are considering a ban". Treasury has had many problems with used electronic imports and computers are just one of them. We shall talk.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:15:02 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] the used computers debate
Thank you Kivuva for echoing my concerns.
To answer you Dr Waudo, I don't agree with you that we are too busy. As much as I agree that the PS is quite available all round for consultation, my problem is the way these policy pronouncements appear in the media, with no visible option for recourse. When the PS announces in the media that he will ban used computers, it seems like the decision has already been made. That is what my complain was about. I wish he had invited industry players to give their views for or against such a drastic decision.
I will actually seek to have an audience with him and try and make him see our side of the story, as we also try and understand where he is coming from. I believe he has the best interests of our country at heart, as we all do.
Knowing that Dr. Ndemo will read this, please grant us an audience when we call your office.
Regards, Ikua
Quoting lordmwesh <[email protected]>:
As much as we want to be proud of ourselves, it's only fair we realize Kenya is a "developing third world" as the wabeberu likes to call us.
In that regard, second hand items will always be part of us, cars, computers, etc.
Instead of issuing a total ban, we can grade the second hand electronic equipments that get into the country, just like we do for cars. This will not prevent 'contraband' computers getting into the market, just the way we can't prevent illicit drugs, and cars older than 10years sneaking through our ports, but at least will help in regulating the quality that gets in.
Politics is a game of interest, but when making policies, we should always look at the good interests of the whole county.
PS Ndemo, and me can afford powerful new computers, but what about the college kid who is learning how to code, or the estate entrepreneur who is setting up a cyber?
We all know that some new computer clones have poor performance than most branded second hand imports. For example, I have never been able to buy a durable new keyboard or mouse, unless its part of a western branded new or second hand computer. Maybe I don't know where to shop.
Most of the techies in this list will agree that a western branded second hand computer (HP, Dell, et al) with 2.5GHZ CPU, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD, and a TFT all costing roughly KES24,000, and are just as good for daily applications
Regards
Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248
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On 11 March 2010 10:51, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> wrote:
Colleagues,
"In a recent report, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo proposed a ban on used computer imports. This is good because of the growing threat posed by hazardous e-waste from used electronic equipment ? computers, mobile phones, television sets and even fridges."
This is just a proposal, i agree with Mr. Ikua there is misrepresentation of facts, let us focus on access for all and if used computers can address this issue then they should be permitted, ikssues of e-waste can be handled by KEBS, i am aware of the fact that there are vested interests in the whole issue, if we are not careful we will continue playing second fiddle to Europe and other continents I am sickened by the fact that we are are mostly "resellers" and "consumers"(peripheral roles) access is what will stimulate knowledge transfer hence innovation. We need a stakeholder meeting before the ban is effected if at all it will be effected and possibly a referendum on the matter.
Thank you
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to proceed from there before blaming the Ministry.
Waudo
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this.
The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget?
Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya?
We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions.
Regards, Ikua
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Thanks a lot Daktari for that clarification and the invitation. The availability of yourself and your Ministry to industry players is highly appreciated. I will come along with a small number of colleagues who are involved in hardware sales and hen we can give you our proposals. Its a fact that there is a general e-waste issue that we need to deal with in a wholesome manner and am sure we will be able to put our case forward and reach consensus on the contentious issues. Good day all. Ikua Quoting waudo siganga <[email protected]>:
This openness from the PS is laudable. I met a mzungu during ICANN who was impressed that we have a PS who has agreed to be on a "Civil Society emailing List". he was wishing it was so in his country. Also recently I received an email from someone in the rural areas who had an IT investment idea and it read (un-edited) in part:
"Kindly my dear friend, organise for a meeting between you, Luis Otieno(Microsoft), ICT Board Chairman - remind me his name - I gues its the former 3mice CEO(Problem of being in Shaggs!!!), George Okando, George Muhia - IBM , HP CEO and any other influential person e.g Permanent Secretary information ( DR Bitange)- I like this guys brains."
So best wishes to Evans on the 19th!
Waudo
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:10 +0000, [email protected] wrote:
Ikua, We can meet 4pm on Friday the 19th of this month. In my statement, I said "we are considering a ban". Treasury has had many problems with used electronic imports and computers are just one of them. We shall talk.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:15:02 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] the used computers debate
Thank you Kivuva for echoing my concerns.
To answer you Dr Waudo, I don't agree with you that we are too busy. As much as I agree that the PS is quite available all round for consultation, my problem is the way these policy pronouncements appear in the media, with no visible option for recourse. When the PS announces in the media that he will ban used computers, it seems like the decision has already been made. That is what my complain was about. I wish he had invited industry players to give their views for or against such a drastic decision.
I will actually seek to have an audience with him and try and make him see our side of the story, as we also try and understand where he is coming from. I believe he has the best interests of our country at heart, as we all do.
Knowing that Dr. Ndemo will read this, please grant us an audience when we call your office.
Regards, Ikua
Quoting lordmwesh <[email protected]>:
As much as we want to be proud of ourselves, it's only fair we realize Kenya is a "developing third world" as the wabeberu likes to call us.
In that regard, second hand items will always be part of us, cars, computers, etc.
Instead of issuing a total ban, we can grade the second hand electronic equipments that get into the country, just like we do for cars. This will not prevent 'contraband' computers getting into the market, just the way we can't prevent illicit drugs, and cars older than 10years sneaking through our ports, but at least will help in regulating the quality that gets in.
Politics is a game of interest, but when making policies, we should always look at the good interests of the whole county.
PS Ndemo, and me can afford powerful new computers, but what about the college kid who is learning how to code, or the estate entrepreneur who is setting up a cyber?
We all know that some new computer clones have poor performance than most branded second hand imports. For example, I have never been able to buy a durable new keyboard or mouse, unless its part of a western branded new or second hand computer. Maybe I don't know where to shop.
Most of the techies in this list will agree that a western branded second hand computer (HP, Dell, et al) with 2.5GHZ CPU, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD, and a TFT all costing roughly KES24,000, and are just as good for daily applications
Regards
Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248
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On 11 March 2010 10:51, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> wrote:
Colleagues,
"In a recent report, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo proposed a ban on used computer imports. This is good because of the growing threat posed by hazardous e-waste from used electronic equipment ? computers, mobile phones, television sets and even fridges."
This is just a proposal, i agree with Mr. Ikua there is misrepresentation of facts, let us focus on access for all and if used computers can address this issue then they should be permitted, ikssues of e-waste can be handled by KEBS, i am aware of the fact that there are vested interests in the whole issue, if we are not careful we will continue playing second fiddle to Europe and other continents I am sickened by the fact that we are are mostly "resellers" and "consumers"(peripheral roles) access is what will stimulate knowledge transfer hence innovation. We need a stakeholder meeting before the ban is effected if at all it will be effected and possibly a referendum on the matter.
Thank you
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote: proceed from
there before blaming the Ministry.
Waudo
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the Ministry will not relent on this.
The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and half truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical with the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The lower priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above for standard specs. How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is only 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used computer. With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student or a home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. So as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with a limited budget?
Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers instead of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado computer? How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold and to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured in Kenya?
We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain speed. Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die faster. Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common mwananchi, inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about such policy decisions.
Regards, Ikua
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That is commendable Evans, we need more voices for the voiceless, bwana PS that is real leadership, bwana Ikua we are looking forwad to a report on your meeting. Regards On Tue, Mar 16, 2010That at 9:57 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks a lot Daktari for that clarification and the invitation. The availability of yourself and your Ministry to industry players is highly appreciated. I will come along with a small number of colleagues who are involved in hardware sales and hen we can give you our proposals. Its a fact that there is a general e-waste issue that we need to deal with in a wholesome manner and am sure we will be able to put our case forward and reach consensus on the contentious issues.
Good day all.
Ikua
Quoting waudo siganga <[email protected]>:
This openness from the PS is laudable. I met a mzungu during ICANN who was impressed that we have a PS who has agreed to be on a "Civil Society emailing List". he was wishing it was so in his country. Also recently I received an email from someone in the rural areas who had an IT investment idea and it read (un-edited) in part:
"Kindly my dear friend, organise for a meeting between you, Luis Otieno(Microsoft), ICT Board Chairman - remind me his name - I gues its the former 3mice CEO(Problem of being in Shaggs!!!), George Okando, George Muhia - IBM , HP CEO and any other influential person e.g Permanent Secretary information ( DR Bitange)- I like this guys brains."
So best wishes to Evans on the 19th!
Waudo
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:10 +0000, [email protected] wrote:
Ikua, We can meet 4pm on Friday the 19th of this month. In my statement, I said "we are considering a ban". Treasury has had many problems with used electronic imports and computers are just one of them. We shall talk.
Ndemo.
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 03:15:02 To: <[email protected]> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [kictanet] the used computers debate
Thank you Kivuva for echoing my concerns.
To answer you Dr Waudo, I don't agree with you that we are too busy. As much as I agree that the PS is quite available all round for consultation, my problem is the way these policy pronouncements appear in the media, with no visible option for recourse. When the PS announces in the media that he will ban used computers, it seems like the decision has already been made. That is what my complain was about. I wish he had invited industry players to give their views for or against such a drastic decision.
I will actually seek to have an audience with him and try and make him see our side of the story, as we also try and understand where he is coming from. I believe he has the best interests of our country at heart, as we all do.
Knowing that Dr. Ndemo will read this, please grant us an audience when we call your office.
Regards, Ikua
Quoting lordmwesh <[email protected]>:
As much as we want to be proud of ourselves, it's only fair we realize Kenya is a "developing third world" as the wabeberu likes to call us.
In that regard, second hand items will always be part of us, cars, computers, etc.
Instead of issuing a total ban, we can grade the second hand electronic equipments that get into the country, just like we do for cars. This will not prevent 'contraband' computers getting into the market, just the way we can't prevent illicit drugs, and cars older than 10years sneaking through our ports, but at least will help in regulating the quality that gets in.
Politics is a game of interest, but when making policies, we should always look at the good interests of the whole county.
PS Ndemo, and me can afford powerful new computers, but what about the college kid who is learning how to code, or the estate entrepreneur who is setting up a cyber?
We all know that some new computer clones have poor performance than most branded second hand imports. For example, I have never been able to buy a durable new keyboard or mouse, unless its part of a western branded new or second hand computer. Maybe I don't know where to shop.
Most of the techies in this list will agree that a western branded second hand computer (HP, Dell, et al) with 2.5GHZ CPU, 1GB RAM, 80GB HDD, and a TFT all costing roughly KES24,000, and are just as good for daily applications
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On 11 March 2010 10:51, Barrack Otieno <[email protected]> wrote:
Colleagues,
"In a recent report, Information permanent secretary Bitange Ndemo proposed a ban on used computer imports. This is good because of the growing threat posed by hazardous e-waste from used electronic equipment ? computers, mobile phones, television sets and even fridges."
This is just a proposal, i agree with Mr. Ikua there is misrepresentation of facts, let us focus on access for all and if used computers can address this issue then they should be permitted, ikssues of e-waste can be handled by KEBS, i am aware of the fact that there are vested interests in the whole issue, if we are not careful we will continue playing second fiddle to Europe and other continents I am sickened by the fact that we are are mostly "resellers" and "consumers"(peripheral roles) access is what will stimulate knowledge transfer hence innovation. We need a stakeholder meeting before the ban is effected if at all it will be effected and possibly a referendum on the matter.
Thank you
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Evans - I am also sad regarding this ban but I have to unfortunately challenge you. I think we need to blame ourselves in the industry rather than the Ministry because we are too busy with too many things to properly engage the Ministry. I believe the Ministry has an open-door policy and even the PS has agreed to be on this list which is commendable. You and I run associations that engage in Public Policy advocacy. Can you tell us what exactly your association has done to predict this development and what engagement you have had with the Ministry on the issue which was then dis-regarded when the decision was made? I know my association has not attended to this issue mainly because we are attending to too many things - so we need to proceed from there before blaming the Ministry.
Waudo
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:39 -0600, [email protected] wrote: > So we are back to this debate about used computers. seems like the > Ministry will not relent on this. > > The story in the business daily has a lot of misinformation and > half > truths coming from the Ministry. To say that the price of new > computers has come down to affordable levels is to be economical > with > the truth. How much is a new Dell or HP computer? About 45k. The > lower > priced models like Mecer or Acer will go for about 35k and above > for > standard specs. > How about a new clone? About 25k. And the lifespan of a new clone? > About 3 years, 4 if you are lucky. The warranty on new clones is > only > 3 months. Used/refurbished computers can give the user upwards of 5 > years in good use. Between a new clone made with cheap parts from > China and a used computer of a major brand, I would go for the used > computer. > With 10k, you have a good low spec used computer. So as a student > or a > home user, you get easy access to technology. With 15k, you have a > powerful used computer with specs like P4 3.0/512mb RAM/80gb HDD. > So > as a small business which needs to buy 10 computers, or a school or > college that needs to buy 40 computers, what would you go for with > a > limited budget? > > Why cant the government regulate the trade in used computers > instead > of imposing a total ban? The industry will still have jobs for IT > technicians, whether its used computers or its assembly of clones. > which leads m,e to the question, what happened to the eMado > computer? > How is it doing as a business proposition? How many have been sold > and > to whom? How much is it? How many components are being manufactured > in > Kenya? > > We can for instance say that we will not accept into the country a > computer manufactured over 5 years ago, or 8 years, like motor > vehicles. Or that we will not accept computers below a certain > speed. > Clones have much more ewaste than used computers as they die > faster. > Yet new branded computers are way beyond the reach of the common > mwananchi. but again, this has never been about the common > mwananchi, > inasmuch as noone sees the need to find out what he thinks about > such > policy decisions. > > Regards, > Ikua > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe or change your options at >
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We will start on a very wrong note to suggest that each one of us should know somebody at the providers to be assisted in the event of a problem. These are not jua kali companies! we are looking at a subscriber base of 15million people if they were required to know somebody to be assisted then my guess will be same as mine. Let the providers solve our problems without introducing the concept of knowing techies Sam Hi Robert, I sympathize with you. I have had similar problems with Safaricoms 3G service in my residential area, but when I engaged with Safaricoms tech personnel And reported the issues, I was amazed at the speedy response and quick turnaround in terms of optimizing the 3g in my area (it took less than 1hr to solve a problem that had been hounding myself and others in the same area for 4 days). I would suggest that you get in touch with their support, provide them with detailed information regarding the problem, eg latency between packets on a traceroute, GPS coordinates of your location etc... Best regards, Mblayo Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2010, at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <[email protected]> wrote: Hi,
I had another horrible experience trying to work from home again this weekend after Safaricoms the 3G services was was unavailable in the South C and the edge service is literally the edge of the service I could not even refresh a yahoo mail page.
Just out of curiosity was don't the mobile companies outsource their network optimization business to the level of having providers invest in the equipment in exchange for a share of revenue from the traffic that they pass through.
As consumers we are charged based on utilisation so the mobile companies don't need to change their tariff structures to accommodate the booster and repeater providers. Hopefully after they have tested this model in the urban areas they can use the same model to better cover the rural areas.
On the other front is the excessive advertising spend my Telkom on the issue of wired services, when are they likely to make this available outside the CBD as their are no copper cables in the residential areas or does Orange think that all our Nyumbas are in the CBD?
Have a bandwidth available week
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Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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Dear Colleagues - some friends and colleagues have called me this morning after receiving emails claiming that I am stranded in Lagos, Nigeria where I purportedly went on an urgent trip and got robbed with all my documents stolen. I am safely here in Nairobi, so should you get such mail please do not bother. The mails further request one to wire some funds through Western Union. I have seen one from address [1][email protected] but other addresses could be involved. Kind Regards, Waudo References 1. mailto:[email protected]
Hi Waudo, all
Dear Colleagues - some friends and colleagues have called me this morning after receiving emails claiming that I am stranded in Lagos, Nigeria where I purportedly went on an urgent trip and got robbed with all my documents stolen. I am safely here in Nairobi, so should you get such mail please do not bother. The mails further request one to wire some funds through Western Union. I have seen one from address [1][email protected] but other addresses could be involved. I have had such experience of someone using a friends email.
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Barrack Otieno -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
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lordmwesh -
Nnenna Nwakanma -
robert yawe -
Sam Aguyo -
Sam Gatere -
Solomon Mburu Kamau -
Tony Wainaina -
waudo siganga