Colleagues Just a thought. As we operationalise county governments, what is the possibility of setting up a website that would allow those who have or are forced to or are aware of situations where bribes have been given and/or asked to anonymously tell their stories? Can I hear from the community? Kind regards EMA The Lord bless thee and keep thee ........
Hi Eric: What a great question. Trouble is that word: anonymously. With ICT, the fear among Kenyan consumers is that nothing can be anonymous! Experts can track anonymous sms, phone calls, emails and IP addresses etc. If ICT experts were to assure people that they can be completely anonymous and are educated about it - you will have millions of complaints and confessions of bribes offered - flying in through twitter, facebook and the likes. The other problem is that when they can't be tracked completely - they could be abused - by using them for smear campaigns. The balance is critical. Finally, the admissibility under the Evidence Act will be another key consideration for our Judiciary which has been slow on embracing ICT - the same way the ICC/Hague Court-rooms are! -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+stephen=cofek.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+stephen=cofek.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Eric Aligula Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:27 PM To: stephen@cofek.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Website - I GAVE A BRIBE Colleagues Just a thought. As we operationalise county governments, what is the possibility of setting up a website that would allow those who have or are forced to or are aware of situations where bribes have been given and/or asked to anonymously tell their stories? Can I hear from the community? Kind regards EMA The Lord bless thee and keep thee ........ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/stephen%40cofek.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
There's all that, and then also the minor point that even if there are reports of corruption etc, typically nothing very impressive happens. I remember all those lovely AngloLeasing recordings .... People who were allegedly (just in case any lawyers are reading along) involved plain simply denied it, and that was that. And they went on merrily to continue their career in government, managing ministries such as energy. And by 'managing', I'm not entirely sure what I really mean to say right now. On 5 May 2011 15:54, Stephen Mutoro <stephen@cofek.co.ke> wrote:
Hi Eric: What a great question. Trouble is that word: anonymously. With ICT, the fear among Kenyan consumers is that nothing can be anonymous! Experts can track anonymous sms, phone calls, emails and IP addresses etc. If ICT experts were to assure people that they can be completely anonymous and are educated about it – you will have millions of complaints and confessions of bribes offered - flying in through twitter, facebook and the likes. The other problem is that when they can’t be tracked completely – they could be abused – by using them for smear campaigns. The balance is critical. Finally, the admissibility under the Evidence Act will be another key consideration for our Judiciary which has been slow on embracing ICT – the same way the ICC/Hague Court-rooms are!
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Colleagues
Just a thought. As we operationalise county governments, what is the possibility of setting up a website that would allow those who have or are forced to or are aware of situations where bribes have been given and/or asked to *anonymously* tell their stories?
Can I hear from the community?
Kind regards
EMA
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On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Colleagues
Just a thought. As we operationalise county governments, what is the possibility of setting up a website that would allow those who have or are forced to or are aware of situations where bribes have been given and/or asked to anonymously tell their stories?
Didn't someone already do this with Ushahidi? I recall seeing it presented, but can't find it now. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
How about one modeled on Ushahidi with some few common categories (traffic police, regular police, immigration, city council, judiciary, public service, etc). Then perhaps we can see patterns emerging and if KACC are watching, then they can better monitor certain geographic regions/localities/offices by type of graft. Also interesting information that can be gathered - esp when it comes to our awareness of our rights, whether such posts can contain details of why a bribe was eventually paid - most times we are (or suspect we are) on the right side of the law but get frustrated for nothing (rather frustrated to offer a bribe) - e.g. a non-traffic policeman keeping you at the roadside assking abt fire extinguishers, safety triangles, etc....). Or a school head delaying with admission of a qualified child, or a customs agent delaying processing of documents, etc. Another feature, and assuming people are really honest and not malicious - if such data could be collated to size up how much we fork out every day/week/month and what for...now THAT would be interesting. On 5 May 2011 15:26, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Colleagues
Just a thought. As we operationalise county governments, what is the possibility of setting up a website that would allow those who have or are forced to or are aware of situations where bribes have been given and/or asked to anonymously tell their stories?
Can I hear from the community?
Kind regards
EMA
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A solution had been developed and publicized in this list a few months ago. visit www.overlap.co.ke and revert. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
How about one modeled on Ushahidi with some few common categories (traffic police, regular police, immigration, city council, judiciary, public service, etc). Then perhaps we can see patterns emerging and if KACC are watching, then they can better monitor certain geographic regions/localities/offices by type of graft.
Also interesting information that can be gathered - esp when it comes to our awareness of our rights, whether such posts can contain details of why a bribe was eventually paid - most times we are (or suspect we are) on the right side of the law but get frustrated for nothing (rather frustrated to offer a bribe) - e.g. a non-traffic policeman keeping you at the roadside assking abt fire extinguishers, safety triangles, etc....). Or a school head delaying with admission of a qualified child, or a customs agent delaying processing of documents, etc.
Another feature, and assuming people are really honest and not malicious - if such data could be collated to size up how much we fork out every day/week/month and what for...now THAT would be interesting.
On 5 May 2011 15:26, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Colleagues
Just a thought. As we operationalise county governments, what is the possibility of setting up a website that would allow those who have or are forced to or are aware of situations where bribes have been given and/or asked to anonymously tell their stories?
Can I hear from the community?
Kind regards
EMA
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On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Norman Boinett <nboinett@gmail.com> wrote:
A solution had been developed and publicized in this list a few months ago. visit www.overlap.co.ke
yep, thats the one I was looking for, thanks! Yesterday, I sent an SMS to the White African saying "whereisthefuel.ushahidi.com" (I was suggesting they do a crowdsourced fuel finder, and he replied with a real url findfuel.crowdmap.com, which I found to be quite helpful! -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Thanks McTim for sharing "wehereisthefuel" - personally useful and also helps to illustrate what I meant abt overlap.co.ke NOT being too relevant. Unless I ma misreading the figures, whereisthefuel, still in its infancy has generated GOOD support and has 96 reports already (and indicates an average of 32 per day) - and the info IS useful. overlap on the other hand, I guess is relatively old in the tooth - 66 reports and an average of 0.39 per day (and each day that elapses without meaningful numbers of reports, this figure will keep dropping). so QED? On , McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Norman Boinett nboinett@gmail.com> wrote:
A solution had been developed and publicized in this list a few months ago.
visit www.overlap.co.ke
yep, thats the one I was looking for, thanks!
Yesterday, I sent an SMS to the White African saying
"whereisthefuel.ushahidi.com" (I was suggesting they do a crowdsourced
fuel finder, and he replied with a real url findfuel.crowdmap.com,
which I found to be quite helpful!
--
Cheers,
McTim
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route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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I meant "long in the tooth" not OLD...excuse also the typos On , Francis.Hook@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks McTim for sharing "wehereisthefuel" - personally useful and also helps to illustrate what I meant abt overlap.co.ke NOT being too relevant. Unless I ma misreading the figures, whereisthefuel, still in its infancy has generated GOOD support and has 96 reports already (and indicates an average of 32 per day) - and the info IS useful. overlap on the other hand, I guess is relatively old in the tooth - 66 reports and an average of 0.39 per day (and each day that elapses without meaningful numbers of reports, this figure will keep dropping).
so QED?
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Norman Boinett nboinett@gmail.com> wrote:
A solution had been developed and publicized in this list a few months ago.
visit www.overlap.co.ke
yep, thats the one I was looking for, thanks!
Yesterday, I sent an SMS to the White African saying
"whereisthefuel.ushahidi.com" (I was suggesting they do a crowdsourced
fuel finder, and he replied with a real url findfuel.crowdmap.com,
which I found to be quite helpful!
--
Cheers,
McTim
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route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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On , McTim dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote: privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Am with Andrea on this one.Am looking at the end result more.I will report,I will even sign a petition for Kiraitu to leave office because of the major increase of fuel prices and then there is no supply of fuel in the fueling stations.But does it ensure that the change I want to happen has happened?If All in all its a good imitative On 5 May 2011 16:33, Norman Boinett <nboinett@gmail.com> wrote:
A solution had been developed and publicized in this list a few months ago. visit www.overlap.co.ke and revert.
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
How about one modeled on Ushahidi with some few common categories (traffic police, regular police, immigration, city council, judiciary, public service, etc). Then perhaps we can see patterns emerging and if KACC are watching, then they can better monitor certain geographic regions/localities/offices by type of graft.
Also interesting information that can be gathered - esp when it comes to our awareness of our rights, whether such posts can contain details of why a bribe was eventually paid - most times we are (or suspect we are) on the right side of the law but get frustrated for nothing (rather frustrated to offer a bribe) - e.g. a non-traffic policeman keeping you at the roadside assking abt fire extinguishers, safety triangles, etc....). Or a school head delaying with admission of a qualified child, or a customs agent delaying processing of documents, etc.
Another feature, and assuming people are really honest and not malicious - if such data could be collated to size up how much we fork out every day/week/month and what for...now THAT would be interesting.
On 5 May 2011 15:26, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Colleagues
Just a thought. As we operationalise county governments, what is the possibility of setting up a website that would allow those who have or are forced to or are aware of situations where bribes have been given and/or asked to anonymously tell their stories?
Can I hear from the community?
Kind regards
EMA
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On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Colleagues
Just a thought. As we operationalise county governments, what is the possibility of setting up a website that would allow those who have or are forced to or are aware of situations where bribes have been given and/or asked to anonymously tell their stories?
Can I hear from the community?
Kind regards
EMA
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The KACC Head (PLO) has wisely called for Corruption to be declared a National Disaster. Should this kind of corruption reporting system not be under www.KACC.go.ke? Anyone who has tried to get a decent web site | web service developed, maintained or updated knows it does not come for free or for cheap especially when foreigners are involved. http://www.itjobspost.com/JobSeeker/search.cfm?page=position-description&JobID=179948&CFID=41028678&CFTOKEN=89803483 Can KACC allocate KES 40M-50M per annum, to begin (build) | maintain or outsource an sms | mobile web service & staff? The budget for this public information | collection system can be increased annually factoring inflation and to improve it to enable increased usage by the public. Development partners can step in to fund two or three "or.ke" sites that speak to kacc.go.ke on behalf of various Kenyans | political divides. Yes? No? Believe local firms should be enabled to to build & maintain such systems even if foreign firms (orgs) are involved initially for capacity building. Is there anything like this in the works?
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:28 AM, S.Murigi Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Colleagues
Just a thought. As we operationalise county governments, what is the possibility of setting up a website that would allow those who have or are forced to or are aware of situations where bribes have been given and/or asked to anonymously tell their stories?
Can I hear from the community?
Kind regards
EMA
The Lord bless thee and keep thee ........ _______________________________________________
The KACC Head (PLO) has wisely called for Corruption to be declared a National Disaster.
Should this kind of corruption reporting system not be under www.KACC.go.ke?
Anyone who has tried to get a decent web site | web service developed, maintained or updated knows it does not come for free or for cheap especially when foreigners are involved.
Why not use Kenyan built software to do this at a tiny fraction of this cost? A crowdmap implementation would cost in the 1000s of bob, not Millions!! http://crowdmap.com/ -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
well, the idea is noble, and much as it wont have any legal implications per-se, in that it will be inadmissible in court, it will help at least to be a general indicator and a more or less real time tool to collect statistics on corruption cases in our great nation. Its benefits cannot be directly measured. But you all can see the use in this. As for #overlapke, i usually use this hash tag to twitpic those who overlap. It might not help much, but i find it greatly reduces my road rage :) . If the overlap.co.ke developers can add this feature where twit pics can be displayed, eventually, though the timelines aren't definite, people will start noticing that there are chances that on overlaping, you can be caught on camera. And the advantage of this is, the photo can actually be used as evidence of a crime done. This am hoping as a techo-concious character, is the direction I pray my country can head to. -- i dislike capital letters +254 722 278 106
Not sure where information passed on to kacc.go.ke is digitally stored but am sure they store data themselves even if they backup data at the upcoming (or recently deployed?) Central Govt Data Center. Even if they use FOSS, storage is an issue (cost). Interesting (61 page pdf) presentation here: http://www.kacc.go.ke/Docs/kacc-strategic-plan-2009-2013.pdf Page 42: Reveals an annual kacc.go.ke budget of KES 20M for IT hardware, applications, automation, interactive website, document management | workflow. What if due to budget shortfalls kacc.go.ke has to rely on development partners who favor foreign firms or consultants to deploy the IT systems they fund? KES 20M per annum has not in 2 years (2009-2010) helped kacc.go.ke build an truly accessible public information system. It is certainly not enough to build and maintain a system which analyzes and publicizes corruption reported by 1 or 2 millions of Kenyans annually. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:01 AM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not use Kenyan built software to do this at a tiny fraction of this cost? A crowdmap implementation would cost in the 1000s of bob, not Millions!!
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Such a site will be fantastic. The corruption monster must be strangled by all means On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Eric Aligula <jairah@kippra.or.ke> wrote:
Colleagues
Just a thought. As we operationalise county governments, what is the possibility of setting up a website that would allow those who have or are forced to or are aware of situations where bribes have been given and/or asked to anonymously tell their stories?
Can I hear from the community?
Kind regards
EMA
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