The Tricky Power in Facebook's Hands...
1. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/08/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-... 2. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/facebook-deletes-norway-p... Regards, Nanjira. Sent on the move.
Hi Nanjira, Facebook’s popularity means that its algorithms can exert enormous power over public opinion. A growing trend of complaints against Face Book yet its a business with diverse stakeholders and interests :-) i guess there is need for more engagement which will bolster its powers. On 9/10/16, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
1. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/08/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-... 2. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/facebook-deletes-norway-p...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37318040 Facebook says it will allow an iconic photograph of a girl fleeing a Napalm attack taken during the Vietnam war in 1972 to be used on its platform. It had previously removed the image, posted by a Norwegian author, on the grounds that it contained nudity. The move sparked a debate about Facebook's role as an editor. The editor of Norway's largest newspaper had written an open letter to Facebook's chief Mark Zuckerberg calling the ban "an abuse of power". The tech giant said it had "listened to the community" and acknowledged the "global importance" of the photo. "Because of its status as an iconic image of historical importance, the value of permitting sharing outweighs the value of protecting the community by removal, so we have decided to reinstate the image on Facebook where we are aware it has been removed," it said in a statement. "It will take some time to adjust these systems but the photo should be available for sharing in the coming days. "We are always looking to improve our policies to make sure they both promote free expression and keep our community safe." [Aftenposten editor and Napalm girl photo]Image copyrightAFTENPOSTEN/NICK UTImage captionEspen Egil Hansen is editor of Aftenposten, Norway's largest newspaper. Facebook says it will allow an iconic photograph of a girl fleeing a Napalm attack taken during the Vietnam war in 1972 to be used on its platform. It had previously removed the image, posted by a Norwegian author, on the grounds that it contained nudity. The move sparked a debate about Facebook's role as an editor. The editor of Norway's largest newspaper had written an open letter to Facebook's chief Mark Zuckerberg calling the ban "an abuse of power". The tech giant said it had "listened to the community" and acknowledged the "global importance" of the photo. "Because of its status as an iconic image of historical importance, the value of permitting sharing outweighs the value of protecting the community by removal, so we have decided to reinstate the image on Facebook where we are aware it has been removed," it said in a statement. "It will take some time to adjust these systems but the photo should be available for sharing in the coming days. "We are always looking to improve our policies to make sure they both promote free expression and keep our community safe." [Erna Solberg]Image copyrightGETTY IMAGESImage captionNorwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg said it demonstrated the power of social media. The Norwegian prime minister - who had earlier posted a copy of the photo on Facebook herself only to see it removed - welcomed the U-turn. "That's very good, I'm a happy prime minister," Erna Solberg told BBC Radio 4's The World Tonight programme. "It shows that using social media can make [a] political change even in social media." Tom Egeland, the author whose Facebook account had been suspended over the affair, also expressed his pleasure. "Now I'm happy!" he tweeted<https://twitter.com/tomegeland/status/774312424031879168>. "This does not alter at all the difficult issues that involve Facebook and the Norwegian media. But tonight I'm just happy." Tech or media? But Espen Egil Hansen - the editor of Aftenposten, who had brought the issue to prominence - said he still had concerns. "When it comes to this photo specifically I would say that it was a sensible decision by Facebook. That's what we editors have to do sometimes - realise that we made a mistake and change our minds," he wrote in Norwegian on the newspaper's site<http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/Facebook-snur-om-Vietnam-bildet-604244b.html>. "But the main point of my article, and the point that I have asked Mark Zuckerberg to engage in, is the debate about Facebook's power that results from so much information going through its channels. And that still stands. "He should begin to take part in this discussion, for there are no simple solutions. Facebook must recognise that it has become an information filter - and that raises problematic issues." Last month, Mr Zuckerberg told an Italian audience that he did not want his firm to become a news editor. "No, we are a tech company, not a media company," he said<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-zuckerberg-idUSKCN1141WN?utm_source=Daily+Lab+email+list&utm_campaign=107c14838f-dailylabemail3&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d68264fd5e-107c14838f-395963781>. "The world needs news companies, but also technology platforms, like what we do, and we take our role in this very seriously." Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:20 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: 1. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/08/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-napalm-girl-photo-vietnam-war<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_08_facebook-2Dmark-2Dzuckerberg-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dphoto-2Dvietnam-2Dwar&d=DQMCaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=IUfDbFCh8dUEJ0iyXugtDi6l2ovxKMldUJnxljATFxA&s=uxPwBMQSkBv9kWc7MFDUquQmK9N8ii_aaY9r4IXi_l0&e=> 2. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/facebook-deletes-norway-pms-post-napalm-girl-post-row?CMP=fb_gu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_09_facebook-2Ddeletes-2Dnorway-2Dpms-2Dpost-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dpost-2Drow-3FCMP-3Dfb-5Fgu&d=DQMCaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=IUfDbFCh8dUEJ0iyXugtDi6l2ovxKMldUJnxljATFxA&s=8gd_B_sW3vArlPR-lhnpXG_d36KeP9yB49gjTu0ZzyE&e=> Regards, Nanjira. 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This is a thorny issue! Everything written is offensive to somebody. If I express a religious view, or a political view, there are bound to be others having an opposing view. This is normal. But if my view is grossly offensive to the majority, should it be 'removed'? How can any algorithm make these choices? ...And if the majority view suppresses all minority views, are we not advocating totalitarianism? More questions than answers, I'm afraid. Have an inoffensive weekend, people ;) Tony On 10/09/2016, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37318040
Facebook says it will allow an iconic photograph of a girl fleeing a Napalm attack taken during the Vietnam war in 1972 to be used on its platform.
It had previously removed the image, posted by a Norwegian author, on the grounds that it contained nudity.
The move sparked a debate about Facebook's role as an editor.
The editor of Norway's largest newspaper had written an open letter to Facebook's chief Mark Zuckerberg calling the ban "an abuse of power".
The tech giant said it had "listened to the community" and acknowledged the "global importance" of the photo.
"Because of its status as an iconic image of historical importance, the value of permitting sharing outweighs the value of protecting the community by removal, so we have decided to reinstate the image on Facebook where we are aware it has been removed," it said in a statement.
"It will take some time to adjust these systems but the photo should be available for sharing in the coming days.
"We are always looking to improve our policies to make sure they both promote free expression and keep our community safe."
[Aftenposten editor and Napalm girl photo]Image copyrightAFTENPOSTEN/NICK UTImage captionEspen Egil Hansen is editor of Aftenposten, Norway's largest newspaper.
Facebook says it will allow an iconic photograph of a girl fleeing a Napalm attack taken during the Vietnam war in 1972 to be used on its platform.
It had previously removed the image, posted by a Norwegian author, on the grounds that it contained nudity.
The move sparked a debate about Facebook's role as an editor.
The editor of Norway's largest newspaper had written an open letter to Facebook's chief Mark Zuckerberg calling the ban "an abuse of power".
The tech giant said it had "listened to the community" and acknowledged the "global importance" of the photo.
"Because of its status as an iconic image of historical importance, the value of permitting sharing outweighs the value of protecting the community by removal, so we have decided to reinstate the image on Facebook where we are aware it has been removed," it said in a statement.
"It will take some time to adjust these systems but the photo should be available for sharing in the coming days.
"We are always looking to improve our policies to make sure they both promote free expression and keep our community safe."
[Erna Solberg]Image copyrightGETTY IMAGESImage captionNorwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg said it demonstrated the power of social media.
The Norwegian prime minister - who had earlier posted a copy of the photo on Facebook herself only to see it removed - welcomed the U-turn.
"That's very good, I'm a happy prime minister," Erna Solberg told BBC Radio 4's The World Tonight programme.
"It shows that using social media can make [a] political change even in social media."
Tom Egeland, the author whose Facebook account had been suspended over the affair, also expressed his pleasure.
"Now I'm happy!" he tweeted<https://twitter.com/tomegeland/status/774312424031879168>.
"This does not alter at all the difficult issues that involve Facebook and the Norwegian media. But tonight I'm just happy."
Tech or media?
But Espen Egil Hansen - the editor of Aftenposten, who had brought the issue to prominence - said he still had concerns.
"When it comes to this photo specifically I would say that it was a sensible decision by Facebook. That's what we editors have to do sometimes - realise that we made a mistake and change our minds," he wrote in Norwegian on the newspaper's site<http://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/Facebook-snur-om-Vietnam-bildet-604244b.html>.
"But the main point of my article, and the point that I have asked Mark Zuckerberg to engage in, is the debate about Facebook's power that results from so much information going through its channels. And that still stands.
"He should begin to take part in this discussion, for there are no simple solutions. Facebook must recognise that it has become an information filter - and that raises problematic issues."
Last month, Mr Zuckerberg told an Italian audience that he did not want his firm to become a news editor.
"No, we are a tech company, not a media company," he said<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-zuckerberg-idUSKCN1141WN?utm_source=Daily+Lab+email+list&utm_campaign=107c14838f-dailylabemail3&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d68264fd5e-107c14838f-395963781>.
"The world needs news companies, but also technology platforms, like what we do, and we take our role in this very seriously."
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On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:20 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
1. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/08/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-napalm-girl-photo-vietnam-war<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_08_facebook-2Dmark-2Dzuckerberg-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dphoto-2Dvietnam-2Dwar&d=DQMCaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=IUfDbFCh8dUEJ0iyXugtDi6l2ovxKMldUJnxljATFxA&s=uxPwBMQSkBv9kWc7MFDUquQmK9N8ii_aaY9r4IXi_l0&e=> 2. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/facebook-deletes-norway-pms-post-napalm-girl-post-row?CMP=fb_gu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_09_facebook-2Ddeletes-2Dnorway-2Dpms-2Dpost-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dpost-2Drow-3FCMP-3Dfb-5Fgu&d=DQMCaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=IUfDbFCh8dUEJ0iyXugtDi6l2ovxKMldUJnxljATFxA&s=8gd_B_sW3vArlPR-lhnpXG_d36KeP9yB49gjTu0ZzyE&e=>
Regards, Nanjira.
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Definitely a lesson for all content regulators. "In his open letter, Hansen points out that Facebook’s decision to delete the photograph reveals a troubling inability to “distinguish between child pornography and famous war photographs”, as well as an unwillingness to “allow[ing] space for good judgement”. Mildred. Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
1. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/08/ facebook-mark-zuckerberg-napalm-girl-photo-vietnam-war 2. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/ facebook-deletes-norway-pms-post-napalm-girl-post-row?CMP=fb_gu
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Listers The fact that Facebook finally reversed its decisions is commendable. And should be applauded. However, as Tony indicated it raises more questions than answers. 1. Should the most important and powerful Super Editor the world has ever seen be an algorithm or be influenced by Machine Learning? 2. If so at what point should human intervention be built in? 3. Even with human intervention we see that both Google and Facebook (rightly or wrongly) have been accused of certain biases. How do companies with such immense powers to influence our daily lives tamper their powers to ensure 'fair coverage'? I suspect both Facebook and Google are still coming to terms with these issues and that people like the Norwegian Editor and you and I must play our part to remind them to tamper their immense powers for the betterment of society. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad
On 10 Sep 2016, at 1:03 PM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Definitely a lesson for all content regulators.
"In his open letter, Hansen points out that Facebook’s decision to delete the photograph reveals a troubling inability to “distinguish between child pornography and famous war photographs”, as well as an unwillingness to “allow[ing] space for good judgement”.
Mildred.
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On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: 1. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/08/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-... 2. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/facebook-deletes-norway-p...
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You have absolutely captured the challenge and the responsibility. Heads up that we are planning to host a conversation in Nairobi, similar to one we hosted in Johannesburg a couple of months ago, about online speech, free expression, censorship, our community standards/reporting policies and what goes into these incredibly complicated decisions. In Jo'burg, we also had Google/YouTube-would be great to replicate that. We find that the community benefits from learning from the people at Facebook/Google making these decisions (and seeing just how much thought goes into them!), and we learn from the community in ways that help us make better decisions. Stay tuned for an invitation in the next month or so! Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Sep 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Ali, From a technical PoV, I empathize with FB, Google et.al. You have millions or photos, videos being uploaded by the minute and based on their policy, you need to ensure that these digital content meets that criteria. No way human beings can keep up with that, you've got to use algorithms. And considering the no of false positives we get, which is very few, they're quite good then. Then you have the problem of 'Context'.... This is one of the hardest areas in computing to figure out. And inevitably, that's what leads the algorithm to mark that photo as inappropriate because of nudity, since the algorithm didn't have the historical context of that photo. Fast forward to attending the Turkana festival, where a lot of the local women will be topless. Upload those pictures on FB, FB most likely refuses to accept them because of the nudity, you make noise as we unfortunately expect FB to start understanding culture! Such corner cases in Computing are a nightmare to solve, but fortunately, solving those nightmares is what leads to Turing Awards! Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke<http://www.at.co.ke> From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:42 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein; Nanjira Sambuli Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Tricky Power in Facebook's Hands... Listers The fact that Facebook finally reversed its decisions is commendable. And should be applauded. However, as Tony indicated it raises more questions than answers. 1. Should the most important and powerful Super Editor the world has ever seen be an algorithm or be influenced by Machine Learning? 2. If so at what point should human intervention be built in? 3. Even with human intervention we see that both Google and Facebook (rightly or wrongly) have been accused of certain biases. How do companies with such immense powers to influence our daily lives tamper their powers to ensure 'fair coverage'? I suspect both Facebook and Google are still coming to terms with these issues and that people like the Norwegian Editor and you and I must play our part to remind them to tamper their immense powers for the betterment of society. 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To change the title, i would refer to this as the tricky power of the algorithm. +1 Ngigi. Regards On 9/11/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
You have absolutely captured the challenge and the responsibility. Heads up that we are planning to host a conversation in Nairobi, similar to one we hosted in Johannesburg a couple of months ago, about online speech, free expression, censorship, our community standards/reporting policies and what goes into these incredibly complicated decisions. In Jo'burg, we also had Google/YouTube-would be great to replicate that.
We find that the community benefits from learning from the people at Facebook/Google making these decisions (and seeing just how much thought goes into them!), and we learn from the community in ways that help us make better decisions.
Stay tuned for an invitation in the next month or so!
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On Sep 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
Ali,
From a technical PoV, I empathize with FB, Google et.al. You have millions or photos, videos being uploaded by the minute and based on their policy, you need to ensure that these digital content meets that criteria.
No way human beings can keep up with that, you've got to use algorithms. And considering the no of false positives we get, which is very few, they're quite good then.
Then you have the problem of 'Context'.... This is one of the hardest areas in computing to figure out. And inevitably, that's what leads the algorithm to mark that photo as inappropriate because of nudity, since the algorithm didn't have the historical context of that photo.
Fast forward to attending the Turkana festival, where a lot of the local women will be topless. Upload those pictures on FB, FB most likely refuses to accept them because of the nudity, you make noise as we unfortunately expect FB to start understanding culture!
Such corner cases in Computing are a nightmare to solve, but fortunately, solving those nightmares is what leads to Turing Awards!
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke<http://www.at.co.ke> From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:42 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein; Nanjira Sambuli Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Tricky Power in Facebook's Hands...
Listers
The fact that Facebook finally reversed its decisions is commendable. And should be applauded. However, as Tony indicated it raises more questions than answers.
1. Should the most important and powerful Super Editor the world has ever seen be an algorithm or be influenced by Machine Learning?
2. If so at what point should human intervention be built in?
3. Even with human intervention we see that both Google and Facebook (rightly or wrongly) have been accused of certain biases. How do companies with such immense powers to influence our daily lives tamper their powers to ensure 'fair coverage'?
I suspect both Facebook and Google are still coming to terms with these issues and that people like the Norwegian Editor and you and I must play our part to remind them to tamper their immense powers for the betterment of society.
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On 10 Sep 2016, at 1:03 PM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote:
Definitely a lesson for all content regulators.
"In his open letter, Hansen points out that Facebook’s decision to delete the photograph reveals a troubling inability to “distinguish between child pornography and famous war photographs”, as well as an unwillingness to “allow[ing] space for good judgement”.
Mildred.
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On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: 1. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/08/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-napalm-girl-photo-vietnam-war<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_08_facebook-2Dmark-2Dzuckerberg-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dphoto-2Dvietnam-2Dwar&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=ovJ2kiZP7Ptrf5adme2oIFTw9hq5HllvDSL9jAVFdZw&s=OxVwmlCzZtMMkX6W6SdxumdAx0int6psScq6zzJeHlo&e=> 2. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/09/facebook-deletes-norway-pms-post-napalm-girl-post-row?CMP=fb_gu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_09_facebook-2Ddeletes-2Dnorway-2Dpms-2Dpost-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dpost-2Drow-3FCMP-3Dfb-5Fgu&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=ovJ2kiZP7Ptrf5adme2oIFTw9hq5HllvDSL9jAVFdZw&s=s-Jknt4dHi0Hbx1Hnd0K0GaaNxpkWgUqTvTC_Phg5YM&e=>
Regards, Nanjira.
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Actually, and this is what we will discuss-the majority of content take downs rely on human review, not algorithms. We proactively moderate for child exploitation content using a powerful tool developed by Microsoft, but virtually everything else must be flagged by the community, and then reviewed by a human. If you imagine that across the billions of pieces of content posted daily by 1.7 billion users around the world, then layer in context, cultural norms, etc., it's mind boggling. Look forward to getting into this in detail with this group soon. Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: To change the title, i would refer to this as the tricky power of the algorithm. +1 Ngigi. Regards On 9/11/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: You have absolutely captured the challenge and the responsibility. Heads up that we are planning to host a conversation in Nairobi, similar to one we hosted in Johannesburg a couple of months ago, about online speech, free expression, censorship, our community standards/reporting policies and what goes into these incredibly complicated decisions. In Jo'burg, we also had Google/YouTube-would be great to replicate that. We find that the community benefits from learning from the people at Facebook/Google making these decisions (and seeing just how much thought goes into them!), and we learn from the community in ways that help us make better decisions. Stay tuned for an invitation in the next month or so! Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com><mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Sep 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Ali, From a technical PoV, I empathize with FB, Google et.al. You have millions or photos, videos being uploaded by the minute and based on their policy, you need to ensure that these digital content meets that criteria. No way human beings can keep up with that, you've got to use algorithms. And considering the no of false positives we get, which is very few, they're quite good then. Then you have the problem of 'Context'.... This is one of the hardest areas in computing to figure out. And inevitably, that's what leads the algorithm to mark that photo as inappropriate because of nudity, since the algorithm didn't have the historical context of that photo. Fast forward to attending the Turkana festival, where a lot of the local women will be topless. Upload those pictures on FB, FB most likely refuses to accept them because of the nudity, you make noise as we unfortunately expect FB to start understanding culture! Such corner cases in Computing are a nightmare to solve, but fortunately, solving those nightmares is what leads to Turing Awards! Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke<http://www.at.co.ke><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.at.co.ke&d=DQIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=lz1o3aMr1q3P5bUAXPKQkI3cM7vlTAgj3mUIMV2dMWE&s=xA4JZFvSxYsShTE47xmZKR25veNazurNbivwtg-fylo&e= > From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:42 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein; Nanjira Sambuli Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Tricky Power in Facebook's Hands... Listers The fact that Facebook finally reversed its decisions is commendable. And should be applauded. However, as Tony indicated it raises more questions than answers. 1. Should the most important and powerful Super Editor the world has ever seen be an algorithm or be influenced by Machine Learning? 2. If so at what point should human intervention be built in? 3. Even with human intervention we see that both Google and Facebook (rightly or wrongly) have been accused of certain biases. How do companies with such immense powers to influence our daily lives tamper their powers to ensure 'fair coverage'? I suspect both Facebook and Google are still coming to terms with these issues and that people like the Norwegian Editor and you and I must play our part to remind them to tamper their immense powers for the betterment of society. 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"In his open letter, Hansen points out that Facebook’s decision to delete the photograph reveals a troubling inability to “distinguish between child pornography and famous war photographs”, as well as an unwillingness to “allow[ing] space for good judgement”. Mildred. 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I have always had this question lingering in my mind. Algorithms are not by nature designed to delete content (I may be wrong though). Content that gets deleted is normally mostly flagged and reported. Secondly, algorithms are mostly very good with with textual content. To detect nudity (and in that case not verify it and straight away delete it) using an Algorithm requires Augmented Reality that is beyond what computers are allowed to Artificially process (when it comes to deleting content). I know even textual content can get flagged by an algorithm - but an algorithm does not delete a textual content item leave alone an image. Any further insights on these specific questions? On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Actually, and this is what we will discuss-the majority of content take downs rely on human review, not algorithms. We proactively moderate for child exploitation content using a powerful tool developed by Microsoft, but virtually everything else must be flagged by the community, and then reviewed by a human. If you imagine that across the billions of pieces of content posted daily by 1.7 billion users around the world, then layer in context, cultural norms, etc., it's mind boggling.
Look forward to getting into this in detail with this group soon.
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On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
To change the title, i would refer to this as the tricky power of the algorithm. +1 Ngigi.
Regards
On 9/11/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
You have absolutely captured the challenge and the responsibility. Heads up
that we are planning to host a conversation in Nairobi, similar to one we
hosted in Johannesburg a couple of months ago, about online speech, free
expression, censorship, our community standards/reporting policies and what
goes into these incredibly complicated decisions. In Jo'burg, we also had
Google/YouTube-would be great to replicate that.
We find that the community benefits from learning from the people at
Facebook/Google making these decisions (and seeing just how much thought
goes into them!), and we learn from the community in ways that help us make
better decisions.
Stay tuned for an invitation in the next month or so!
Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa
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On Sep 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet
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wrote:
Ali,
From a technical PoV, I empathize with FB, Google et.al. You have millions
or photos, videos being uploaded by the minute and based on their policy,
you need to ensure that these digital content meets that criteria.
No way human beings can keep up with that, you've got to use algorithms. And
considering the no of false positives we get, which is very few, they're
quite good then.
Then you have the problem of 'Context'.... This is one of the hardest areas
in computing to figure out. And inevitably, that's what leads the algorithm
to mark that photo as inappropriate because of nudity, since the algorithm
didn't have the historical context of that photo.
Fast forward to attending the Turkana festival, where a lot of the local
women will be topless. Upload those pictures on FB, FB most likely refuses
to accept them because of the nudity, you make noise as we unfortunately
expect FB to start understanding culture!
Such corner cases in Computing are a nightmare to solve, but fortunately,
solving those nightmares is what leads to Turing Awards!
Waithaka Ngigi
Alliance Technologies
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From: Ali Hussein via kictanet
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:42 AM
To: Ngigi Waithaka
Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Cc: Ali Hussein; Nanjira Sambuli
Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Tricky Power in Facebook's Hands...
Listers
The fact that Facebook finally reversed its decisions is commendable. And
should be applauded. However, as Tony indicated it raises more questions
than answers.
1. Should the most important and powerful Super Editor the world has ever
seen be an algorithm or be influenced by Machine Learning?
2. If so at what point should human intervention be built in?
3. Even with human intervention we see that both Google and Facebook
(rightly or wrongly) have been accused of certain biases. How do companies
with such immense powers to influence our daily lives tamper their powers to
ensure 'fair coverage'?
I suspect both Facebook and Google are still coming to terms with these
issues and that people like the Norwegian Editor and you and I must play our
part to remind them to tamper their immense powers for the betterment of
society.
Ali Hussein
Principal
Hussein & Associates
+254 0713 601113
Twitter: @AliHKassim
Skype: abu-jomo
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"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what
no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
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On 10 Sep 2016, at 1:03 PM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet
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wrote:
Definitely a lesson for all content regulators.
"In his open letter, Hansen points out that Facebook’s decision to delete
the photograph reveals a troubling inability to “distinguish between child
pornography and famous war photographs”, as well as an unwillingness to
“allow[ing] space for good judgement”.
Mildred.
Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel!
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On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet
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wrote:
1.
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2.
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Regards,
Nanjira.
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We don't use algorithms to detect adult nudity (we rely on reporting-and, just FYI, there is under-reporting of violating content across the continent, so we recognize there is much education work to be done), but we, along with many peer companies, use PhotoDNA to proactively detect, remove and report child exploitation imagery. See below for more on PhotoDNA. https://news.microsoft.com/features/microsofts-photodna-protecting-children-... Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <ultimateprogramer@gmail.com<mailto:ultimateprogramer@gmail.com>> wrote: I have always had this question lingering in my mind. Algorithms are not by nature designed to delete content (I may be wrong though). Content that gets deleted is normally mostly flagged and reported. Secondly, algorithms are mostly very good with with textual content. To detect nudity (and in that case not verify it and straight away delete it) using an Algorithm requires Augmented Reality that is beyond what computers are allowed to Artificially process (when it comes to deleting content). I know even textual content can get flagged by an algorithm - but an algorithm does not delete a textual content item leave alone an image. Any further insights on these specific questions? On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Actually, and this is what we will discuss-the majority of content take downs rely on human review, not algorithms. We proactively moderate for child exploitation content using a powerful tool developed by Microsoft, but virtually everything else must be flagged by the community, and then reviewed by a human. If you imagine that across the billions of pieces of content posted daily by 1.7 billion users around the world, then layer in context, cultural norms, etc., it's mind boggling. Look forward to getting into this in detail with this group soon. Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: To change the title, i would refer to this as the tricky power of the algorithm. +1 Ngigi. Regards On 9/11/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: You have absolutely captured the challenge and the responsibility. Heads up that we are planning to host a conversation in Nairobi, similar to one we hosted in Johannesburg a couple of months ago, about online speech, free expression, censorship, our community standards/reporting policies and what goes into these incredibly complicated decisions. In Jo'burg, we also had Google/YouTube-would be great to replicate that. We find that the community benefits from learning from the people at Facebook/Google making these decisions (and seeing just how much thought goes into them!), and we learn from the community in ways that help us make better decisions. Stay tuned for an invitation in the next month or so! Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com><mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Sep 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Ali, From a technical PoV, I empathize with FB, Google et.al<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__et.al&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=2z_kMMIMlmcDPfp7X7iOd5zlsp_xCbjveKR8MqmAA3c&s=BnCe_s4Fmb7MRgSw24KPQ0UmVCEPoPO2PjsxkVXTEaA&e=>. You have millions or photos, videos being uploaded by the minute and based on their policy, you need to ensure that these digital content meets that criteria. No way human beings can keep up with that, you've got to use algorithms. And considering the no of false positives we get, which is very few, they're quite good then. Then you have the problem of 'Context'.... This is one of the hardest areas in computing to figure out. And inevitably, that's what leads the algorithm to mark that photo as inappropriate because of nudity, since the algorithm didn't have the historical context of that photo. Fast forward to attending the Turkana festival, where a lot of the local women will be topless. Upload those pictures on FB, FB most likely refuses to accept them because of the nudity, you make noise as we unfortunately expect FB to start understanding culture! Such corner cases in Computing are a nightmare to solve, but fortunately, solving those nightmares is what leads to Turing Awards! Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.at.co.ke&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=2z_kMMIMlmcDPfp7X7iOd5zlsp_xCbjveKR8MqmAA3c&s=NLscvSnmlT5Z3KQg5jHab0tvB7C2gJETH7-IhnL672o&e=><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.at.co.ke&d=DQIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=lz1o3aMr1q3P5bUAXPKQkI3cM7vlTAgj3mUIMV2dMWE&s=xA4JZFvSxYsShTE47xmZKR25veNazurNbivwtg-fylo&e= > From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:42 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein; Nanjira Sambuli Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Tricky Power in Facebook's Hands... Listers The fact that Facebook finally reversed its decisions is commendable. And should be applauded. However, as Tony indicated it raises more questions than answers. 1. Should the most important and powerful Super Editor the world has ever seen be an algorithm or be influenced by Machine Learning? 2. If so at what point should human intervention be built in? 3. Even with human intervention we see that both Google and Facebook (rightly or wrongly) have been accused of certain biases. How do companies with such immense powers to influence our daily lives tamper their powers to ensure 'fair coverage'? I suspect both Facebook and Google are still coming to terms with these issues and that people like the Norwegian Editor and you and I must play our part to remind them to tamper their immense powers for the betterment of society. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ke.linkedin.com_in_alihkassim&d=DQIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=lz1o3aMr1q3P5bUAXPKQkI3cM7vlTAgj3mUIMV2dMWE&s=nBswXXQi9BjtS25j1ou2URsLK3m5G2dA5jXD66ER9Hk&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ke.linkedin.com_in_alihkassim&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=ovJ2kiZP7Ptrf5adme2oIFTw9hq5HllvDSL9jAVFdZw&s=TyeWecJj-GbaShzVImCu6-zWHkfQNmW9BUjLBbAYrOc&e=> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 10 Sep 2016, at 1:03 PM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Definitely a lesson for all content regulators. "In his open letter, Hansen points out that Facebook’s decision to delete the photograph reveals a troubling inability to “distinguish between child pornography and famous war photographs”, as well as an unwillingness to “allow[ing] space for good judgement”. Mildred. Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com&d=DQIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=lz1o3aMr1q3P5bUAXPKQkI3cM7vlTAgj3mUIMV2dMWE&s=eoiiAyFivSACAO7-YYsdQ_WQSQwtLKLFe7IEPnECddQ&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=ovJ2kiZP7Ptrf5adme2oIFTw9hq5HllvDSL9jAVFdZw&s=rYL5gtnh83kPzJpn-V6I0_JF8d5tiuvpixfX775WEjo&e=> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: 1. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_08_facebook-2Dmark-2Dzuckerberg-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dphoto-2Dvietnam-2Dwar&d=DQIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=lz1o3aMr1q3P5bUAXPKQkI3cM7vlTAgj3mUIMV2dMWE&s=EfBZmKmxjTuGSQvrmxG_vAmjJrx7xBwCPghJat66Cio&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_08_facebook-2Dmark-2Dzuckerberg-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dphoto-2Dvietnam-2Dwar&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=ovJ2kiZP7Ptrf5adme2oIFTw9hq5HllvDSL9jAVFdZw&s=OxVwmlCzZtMMkX6W6SdxumdAx0int6psScq6zzJeHlo&e=> 2. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_09_facebook-2Ddeletes-2Dnorway-2Dpms-2Dpost-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dpost-2Drow-3FCMP-3Dfb-5Fgu&d=DQIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=lz1o3aMr1q3P5bUAXPKQkI3cM7vlTAgj3mUIMV2dMWE&s=SMD5HxOSvVnwbL1Ox5EvJRm5rWlB9CqqVr9q6EAU8N4&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_09_facebook-2Ddeletes-2Dnorway-2Dpms-2Dpost-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dpost-2Drow-3FCMP-3Dfb-5Fgu&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=ovJ2kiZP7Ptrf5adme2oIFTw9hq5HllvDSL9jAVFdZw&s=s-Jknt4dHi0Hbx1Hnd0K0GaaNxpkWgUqTvTC_Phg5YM&e=> Regards, Nanjira. 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Ahmed Mohamed Maawy -
Ali Hussein -
Barrack Otieno -
Ebele Okobi -
Mildred Achoch -
Nanjira Sambuli -
Tony White -
Waithaka Ngigi