Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
It is absurd to see what is happening to our health sector. My cousin died and we buried him three weeks ago, before that he had travelled to western,some members of the group he travelled with got malaria and were treated, so he bought anti malaria drugs and took. this is what happened, He collapsed and went into coma, somewhere in along jogoo road and we were notified, He was quickly rushed to Jamaa hospital, where he was put on antibiotics and upon no improvement transferred to Kenyatta hospital the following morning at 8am. Upon arrival we were stalled for two hours before being attended to, they took 1st blood for testing we were notified that CT scan for Kenyatta were not working and we were to take him to Nairobi West hospital for the Scans, we were back to Kenyatta at 2pm. Told to take the patient at casualties, we were the ones to push the stretcher, the 5th year students started writing their reports, Doctors came in and said the CT scans were all normal, the 1st blood test was not found and we were told a second blood test should be done, it would take 3hrs to 5hrs for results so we agreed to go do it on our own in private wing at doctors plaza, We are attended to by 2nd Doctor now, after it was done everything was found to be negative, so we are told blood from his fingers should be removed again we do it in less than 10 Mins. The 2nd doctor reviews everything and leaves; we are left with the medical Interns who are telling us all questions to be addressed to the doctors. Finally at around 7pm 3rd doctor comes in and checks does a few analysis asks us if he was in a malaria prone area, checks the CT scan and agrees to admit the patient , He is put on quinine. We are told to take him to 8th floor to wing 8B.We push our patient to the elevator and take him there. There we meet with a nurse who take the records, tells us we take clothes and blanket from the store, change him and put him in one of the rooms. We do so. They tell us visiting hours are between 12 and 2pm and 4 and 6pm and tell us to leave. We see him at 1pm and he has finished the quinine. Nothing else is done to him. The following day his brother comes to see him very early in the morning and only to be told he is dead. Cerebral Malaria is a very lethal form of malaria and kills within 3 days. When a patient dies of cerebral Malaria they won’t say he died of cerebral Malaria. They will say SEPSIS and then Say Swelling of Ménages or Encephalitis, which for my cousin’s case, cause of death was Encephalitis and Sepsis, when you research on, encephalitis can be caused by Malaria. So according to statistics when one dies of encephalitis in Sub-Saharan Africa what is the behind cause of the disease = MALARIA. The poor services offered at Kenyatta Hospital have been on the lime light, and it continues. If M-Health is developed the best place to try it is in a large medical institution but according to the current status of Poor services at Kenyatta will this succeed. Kenya is money minded Economy, Who will you find at Kenyatta casualties the CEO of m-Health or the poor Kenyan who cannot even afford to take blood to be tested at the private wing? What is the deal with Kenyatta Hospital referring people to Nairobi West Hospital for any Testing? Is there a profit sharing Business between the Public and the Private hospital? Have Kenyan Doctors gotten used to seeing people die that it does not surprise them? We can develop very good systems, the best just like m-pesa to be implemented to the rest of the world but will it work in Kenya with our NOT so Motivated Public Sector Doctors and Nurses and Hospital Administration? Why not get biochemical engineers to develop a genetic bomb for mosquitos, I say a Genetic Bomb as I love fish and I know they thrive on Mosquito Larvae, so why not modify them so that the next generation do not reach adult hood and the fish will eat them as larvae, this will still maintain the balance of the eco system and Have us eliminate the problem of ROMAN FEVER, AGUE OR MARSH FEVER? How many Empires, Human Era, or human Age Shall we allow Mosquitos to Destroy? If you read history of malaria, Apart from being an epidemic in sub-Saharan Africa, 500,000 American soldiers were infected with malaria during World War II and 60,000 died. It is documented that Malaria may have contributed to decline of Roman Empire. If Encephalitis (St Louis encephalitis) is the most common disease transmitted to humans by mosquitos in the United States and It has started occurring in Kenya, Are the concerned stake holders aware of this? Read “Why researchers can’t control Mosquitos, by Lee dye January 7 2006.” Abc News. Many people have thanked certain prominent people because of their quick support to cancer treatment and looking for funds to support all departments concerned with it. This wouldn’t be the case if they were not personally affected. A step is being made because am prominent, am a victim so am awakened to deliver this service, because I will be a beneficiary. “If it does not affect me or my wife or my daughter or son then let nature take its course. “Is a slogan that is used by Kenyans and more so the political and Elite. Am not shocked when people speak of Malaria killing people, there is no viable vaccine, Malaria is one of the oldest disease affecting the human species, it has been around for 50, 000, and it will be here till End times, It should have been included in the Revelations - with a light touch, last year (2010) it contributed to 2.23% of deaths around the world, the majority of deaths are young children in sub-Saharan Africa, while 90% of deaths occur in Sub-Saharan Africa. So what is Sub-Saharan Africa not doing that the rest of the world has done to curb this disease?(Answer is, When there was a wide fumigation campaign in India, Sri lanka and other prone areas in Asia and Africa was excluded completely,(Read CDC-Malaria-About Malaria - History). But Mosquitos are as important as Petroleum in this world. Without this mosquito Some Pharmaceutical companies would have closed. Departments of Donor Funding and Health Care Non-Governmental Organizations would have been shut down. That is why there will be no new Vaccine anytime soon. So as Children Die in Western and Nyanza region as well as other Sub-Saharan Countries there are people who know if this insects are eliminated then they lose their lively hood. If I was a Smart Investor in Donor Aid and wouldn’t want a region to Cut of my funding them then I would never eliminate the problem but nurse the wounds to the problem with drugs and other preventive care for a fee. So when people talk of E-Health program I get excited but does it apply on the ground? Because I believe for us to develop a good system we must create a Knowledge Base that is accessible then must train the medical practioners and educate the public. It comes down to Incident management, Event Management, Problem Management, Access Management. Measure of the effect of an incident, problem or event by urgency and Priority by the Medical Systems. Even if you develop an m-health application that has a service for Request for ambulance in case of emergency or Accident and it will involve paying via m-pesa, Even if I pay and it received at service desk and disbursed in this Kenya how long will it take to arrive at point of incident? Because am a jobless Kenyan, with a smart mind and am realistic, and cautious,I buy a cheap net, ensure I take anti malaria’s and avoid tarmacking in areas with suspicious pools of water puddles. Hoping the concerned parties will read this and make policies and legislation s. The best I can do is voice, but I have no economic power to go and fumigate western and Nyanza regions for free, am not the financial arm of the government is to disburse the budget nor the health arm to choose which between Yellow Fever,Cancer and Malaria will be my priorities,and for the wise you already know the answer.
Gachagua, I am very sorry to hear your story. This is what we are talking about, the happenings on the ground are not been noticed by anyone, no one is taking notice and action. As our PS says, maybe we need a mechanism to have this data visible live, how many people died today from Malaria, and where did they die, what are we doing about it? It is also appearing that our medical sector has lots of commercialization, where pharmaceuticals are key drivers rather than the well being of patients
It's so sad that people are dying because of some negligence from the people entrusted with providinng health care services. In my view, therer are three social services that can be used to measure how well the state cares for its citizenry: Relevant Education, Ehhanced Security and Health Sector). Our country's health system is, IMHO, in a deplorable situation. The health practioners in the public sector make it look as though the patient is a nuisance, while the private sector sees sickness as a business boom/profit making opportunity. In fact, a person feels guilty for being unwell because of the ill-treatment from health practioners. In order to promote health using ICT, there is a general need to change in attitudes, especially from the health practioners otherwise people will fear visiting health facilities due to these obvious reasons. On 05/06/2011, John Gachagua <gahnkib@yahoo.com> wrote:
It is absurd to see what is happening to our health sector. My cousin died and we buried him three weeks ago, before that he had travelled to western,some members of the group he travelled with got malaria and were treated, so he bought anti malaria drugs and took. this is what happened, He collapsed and went into coma, somewhere in along jogoo road and we were notified, He was quickly rushed to Jamaa hospital, where he was put on antibiotics and upon no improvement transferred to Kenyatta hospital the following morning at 8am. Upon arrival we were stalled for two hours before being attended to, they took 1st blood for testing we were notified that CT scan for Kenyatta were not working and we were to take him to Nairobi West hospital for the Scans, we were back to Kenyatta at 2pm. Told to take the patient at casualties, we were the ones to push the stretcher, the 5th year students started writing their reports, Doctors came in and said the CT scans were all normal, the 1st blood test was not found and we were told a second blood test should be done, it would take 3hrs to 5hrs for results so we agreed to go do it on our own in private wing at doctors plaza, We are attended to by 2nd Doctor now, after it was done everything was found to be negative, so we are told blood from his fingers should be removed again we do it in less than 10 Mins. The 2nd doctor reviews everything and leaves; we are left with the medical Interns who are telling us all questions to be addressed to the doctors. Finally at around 7pm 3rd doctor comes in and checks does a few analysis asks us if he was in a malaria prone area, checks the CT scan and agrees to admit the patient , He is put on quinine. We are told to take him to 8th floor to wing 8B.We push our patient to the elevator and take him there. There we meet with a nurse who take the records, tells us we take clothes and blanket from the store, change him and put him in one of the rooms. We do so. They tell us visiting hours are between 12 and 2pm and 4 and 6pm and tell us to leave. We see him at 1pm and he has finished the quinine. Nothing else is done to him. The following day his brother comes to see him very early in the morning and only to be told he is dead. Cerebral Malaria is a very lethal form of malaria and kills within 3 days. When a patient dies of cerebral Malaria they won’t say he died of cerebral Malaria. They will say SEPSIS and then Say Swelling of Ménages or Encephalitis, which for my cousin’s case, cause of death was Encephalitis and Sepsis, when you research on, encephalitis can be caused by Malaria. So according to statistics when one dies of encephalitis in Sub-Saharan Africa what is the behind cause of the disease = MALARIA. The poor services offered at Kenyatta Hospital have been on the lime light, and it continues. If M-Health is developed the best place to try it is in a large medical institution but according to the current status of Poor services at Kenyatta will this succeed. Kenya is money minded Economy, Who will you find at Kenyatta casualties the CEO of m-Health or the poor Kenyan who cannot even afford to take blood to be tested at the private wing? What is the deal with Kenyatta Hospital referring people to Nairobi West Hospital for any Testing? Is there a profit sharing Business between the Public and the Private hospital? Have Kenyan Doctors gotten used to seeing people die that it does not surprise them? We can develop very good systems, the best just like m-pesa to be implemented to the rest of the world but will it work in Kenya with our NOT so Motivated Public Sector Doctors and Nurses and Hospital Administration? Why not get biochemical engineers to develop a genetic bomb for mosquitos, I say a Genetic Bomb as I love fish and I know they thrive on Mosquito Larvae, so why not modify them so that the next generation do not reach adult hood and the fish will eat them as larvae, this will still maintain the balance of the eco system and Have us eliminate the problem of ROMAN FEVER, AGUE OR MARSH FEVER? How many Empires, Human Era, or human Age Shall we allow Mosquitos to Destroy? If you read history of malaria, Apart from being an epidemic in sub-Saharan Africa, 500,000 American soldiers were infected with malaria during World War II and 60,000 died. It is documented that Malaria may have contributed to decline of Roman Empire. If Encephalitis (St Louis encephalitis) is the most common disease transmitted to humans by mosquitos in the United States and It has started occurring in Kenya, Are the concerned stake holders aware of this? Read “Why researchers can’t control Mosquitos, by Lee dye January 7 2006.” Abc News.
Many people have thanked certain prominent people because of their quick support to cancer treatment and looking for funds to support all departments concerned with it. This wouldn’t be the case if they were not personally affected. A step is being made because am prominent, am a victim so am awakened to deliver this service, because I will be a beneficiary. “If it does not affect me or my wife or my daughter or son then let nature take its course. “Is a slogan that is used by Kenyans and more so the political and Elite. Am not shocked when people speak of Malaria killing people, there is no viable vaccine, Malaria is one of the oldest disease affecting the human species, it has been around for 50, 000, and it will be here till End times, It should have been included in the Revelations - with a light touch, last year (2010) it contributed to 2.23% of deaths around the world, the majority of deaths are young children in sub-Saharan Africa, while 90% of deaths occur in Sub-Saharan Africa. So what is Sub-Saharan Africa not doing that the rest of the world has done to curb this disease?(Answer is, When there was a wide fumigation campaign in India, Sri lanka and other prone areas in Asia and Africa was excluded completely,(Read CDC-Malaria-About Malaria - History). But Mosquitos are as important as Petroleum in this world. Without this mosquito Some Pharmaceutical companies would have closed. Departments of Donor Funding and Health Care Non-Governmental Organizations would have been shut down. That is why there will be no new Vaccine anytime soon. So as Children Die in Western and Nyanza region as well as other Sub-Saharan Countries there are people who know if this insects are eliminated then they lose their lively hood. If I was a Smart Investor in Donor Aid and wouldn’t want a region to Cut of my funding them then I would never eliminate the problem but nurse the wounds to the problem with drugs and other preventive care for a fee. So when people talk of E-Health program I get excited but does it apply on the ground? Because I believe for us to develop a good system we must create a Knowledge Base that is accessible then must train the medical practioners and educate the public. It comes down to Incident management, Event Management, Problem Management, Access Management. Measure of the effect of an incident, problem or event by urgency and Priority by the Medical Systems. Even if you develop an m-health application that has a service for Request for ambulance in case of emergency or Accident and it will involve paying via m-pesa, Even if I pay and it received at service desk and disbursed in this Kenya how long will it take to arrive at point of incident? Because am a jobless Kenyan, with a smart mind and am realistic, and cautious,I buy a cheap net, ensure I take anti malaria’s and avoid tarmacking in areas with suspicious pools of water puddles. Hoping the concerned parties will read this and make policies and legislation s. The best I can do is voice, but I have no economic power to go and fumigate western and Nyanza regions for free, am not the financial arm of the government is to disburse the budget nor the health arm to choose which between Yellow Fever,Cancer and Malaria will be my priorities,and for the wise you already know the answer.
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Solomon, Pole. In the coming few weeks we shall come up with a number of initiatives to mitigate against some of the issues. I still ask: what is wrong with us? With or without the new constitution, there are human (software)basics that we still need especially in dealing with other human beings in all aspects. Mungu tu atusaidie. Regards Ndemo.
It's so sad that people are dying because of some negligence from the people entrusted with providinng health care services. In my view, therer are three social services that can be used to measure how well the state cares for its citizenry: Relevant Education, Ehhanced Security and Health Sector).
Our country's health system is, IMHO, in a deplorable situation. The health practioners in the public sector make it look as though the patient is a nuisance, while the private sector sees sickness as a business boom/profit making opportunity. In fact, a person feels guilty for being unwell because of the ill-treatment from health practioners.
In order to promote health using ICT, there is a general need to change in attitudes, especially from the health practioners otherwise people will fear visiting health facilities due to these obvious reasons.
On 05/06/2011, John Gachagua <gahnkib@yahoo.com> wrote:
It is absurd to see what is happening to our health sector. My cousin died and we buried him three weeks ago, before that he had travelled to western,some members of the group he travelled with got malaria and were treated, so he bought anti malaria drugs and took. this is what happened, He collapsed and went into coma, somewhere in along jogoo road and we were notified, He was quickly rushed to Jamaa hospital, where he was put on antibiotics and upon no improvement transferred to Kenyatta hospital the following morning at 8am. Upon arrival we were stalled for two hours before being attended to, they took 1st blood for testing we were notified that CT scan for Kenyatta were not working and we were to take him to Nairobi West hospital for the Scans, we were back to Kenyatta at 2pm. Told to take the patient at casualties, we were the ones to push the stretcher, the 5th year students started writing their reports, Doctors came in and said the CT scans were all normal, the 1st blood test was not found and we were told a second blood test should be done, it would take 3hrs to 5hrs for results so we agreed to go do it on our own in private wing at doctors plaza, We are attended to by 2nd Doctor now, after it was done everything was found to be negative, so we are told blood from his fingers should be removed again we do it in less than 10 Mins. The 2nd doctor reviews everything and leaves; we are left with the medical Interns who are telling us all questions to be addressed to the doctors. Finally at around 7pm 3rd doctor comes in and checks does a few analysis asks us if he was in a malaria prone area, checks the CT scan and agrees to admit the patient , He is put on quinine. We are told to take him to 8th floor to wing 8B.We push our patient to the elevator and take him there. There we meet with a nurse who take the records, tells us we take clothes and blanket from the store, change him and put him in one of the rooms. We do so. They tell us visiting hours are between 12 and 2pm and 4 and 6pm and tell us to leave. We see him at 1pm and he has finished the quinine. Nothing else is done to him. The following day his brother comes to see him very early in the morning and only to be told he is dead. Cerebral Malaria is a very lethal form of malaria and kills within 3 days. When a patient dies of cerebral Malaria they wont say he died of cerebral Malaria. They will say SEPSIS and then Say Swelling of Ménages or Encephalitis, which for my cousins case, cause of death was Encephalitis and Sepsis, when you research on, encephalitis can be caused by Malaria. So according to statistics when one dies of encephalitis in Sub-Saharan Africa what is the behind cause of the disease = MALARIA. The poor services offered at Kenyatta Hospital have been on the lime light, and it continues. If M-Health is developed the best place to try it is in a large medical institution but according to the current status of Poor services at Kenyatta will this succeed. Kenya is money minded Economy, Who will you find at Kenyatta casualties the CEO of m-Health or the poor Kenyan who cannot even afford to take blood to be tested at the private wing? What is the deal with Kenyatta Hospital referring people to Nairobi West Hospital for any Testing? Is there a profit sharing Business between the Public and the Private hospital? Have Kenyan Doctors gotten used to seeing people die that it does not surprise them? We can develop very good systems, the best just like m-pesa to be implemented to the rest of the world but will it work in Kenya with our NOT so Motivated Public Sector Doctors and Nurses and Hospital Administration? Why not get biochemical engineers to develop a genetic bomb for mosquitos, I say a Genetic Bomb as I love fish and I know they thrive on Mosquito Larvae, so why not modify them so that the next generation do not reach adult hood and the fish will eat them as larvae, this will still maintain the balance of the eco system and Have us eliminate the problem of ROMAN FEVER, AGUE OR MARSH FEVER? How many Empires, Human Era, or human Age Shall we allow Mosquitos to Destroy? If you read history of malaria, Apart from being an epidemic in sub-Saharan Africa, 500,000 American soldiers were infected with malaria during World War II and 60,000 died. It is documented that Malaria may have contributed to decline of Roman Empire. If Encephalitis (St Louis encephalitis) is the most common disease transmitted to humans by mosquitos in the United States and It has started occurring in Kenya, Are the concerned stake holders aware of this? Read Why researchers cant control Mosquitos, by Lee dye January 7 2006. Abc News.
Many people have thanked certain prominent people because of their quick support to cancer treatment and looking for funds to support all departments concerned with it. This wouldnt be the case if they were not personally affected. A step is being made because am prominent, am a victim so am awakened to deliver this service, because I will be a beneficiary. If it does not affect me or my wife or my daughter or son then let nature take its course. Is a slogan that is used by Kenyans and more so the political and Elite. Am not shocked when people speak of Malaria killing people, there is no viable vaccine, Malaria is one of the oldest disease affecting the human species, it has been around for 50, 000, and it will be here till End times, It should have been included in the Revelations - with a light touch, last year (2010) it contributed to 2.23% of deaths around the world, the majority of deaths are young children in sub-Saharan Africa, while 90% of deaths occur in Sub-Saharan Africa. So what is Sub-Saharan Africa not doing that the rest of the world has done to curb this disease?(Answer is, When there was a wide fumigation campaign in India, Sri lanka and other prone areas in Asia and Africa was excluded completely,(Read CDC-Malaria-About Malaria - History). But Mosquitos are as important as Petroleum in this world. Without this mosquito Some Pharmaceutical companies would have closed. Departments of Donor Funding and Health Care Non-Governmental Organizations would have been shut down. That is why there will be no new Vaccine anytime soon. So as Children Die in Western and Nyanza region as well as other Sub-Saharan Countries there are people who know if this insects are eliminated then they lose their lively hood. If I was a Smart Investor in Donor Aid and wouldnt want a region to Cut of my funding them then I would never eliminate the problem but nurse the wounds to the problem with drugs and other preventive care for a fee. So when people talk of E-Health program I get excited but does it apply on the ground? Because I believe for us to develop a good system we must create a Knowledge Base that is accessible then must train the medical practioners and educate the public. It comes down to Incident management, Event Management, Problem Management, Access Management. Measure of the effect of an incident, problem or event by urgency and Priority by the Medical Systems. Even if you develop an m-health application that has a service for Request for ambulance in case of emergency or Accident and it will involve paying via m-pesa, Even if I pay and it received at service desk and disbursed in this Kenya how long will it take to arrive at point of incident? Because am a jobless Kenyan, with a smart mind and am realistic, and cautious,I buy a cheap net, ensure I take anti malarias and avoid tarmacking in areas with suspicious pools of water puddles. Hoping the concerned parties will read this and make policies and legislation s. The best I can do is voice, but I have no economic power to go and fumigate western and Nyanza regions for free, am not the financial arm of the government is to disburse the budget nor the health arm to choose which between Yellow Fever,Cancer and Malaria will be my priorities,and for the wise you already know the answer.
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John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death. Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive. Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: John Gachagua <gahnkib@yahoo.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 18:22:59 To: <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> Reply-To: John Gachagua <gahnkib@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pamela%40cardiacimplant... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death. Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive. Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya -----Original Message----- From: John Gachagua <gahnkib@yahoo.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 18:22:59 To: <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> Reply-To: John Gachagua <gahnkib@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pamela%40cardiacimplant... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I think the best course of action is to define the problem than formulate solutions around the problem case.
Reading through the posts, I think the problem is clear, and solutions are also clear, what lacks is goodwill and leadership, let's hope some foreign country will come to our aid since we are helpless. On 6/6/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the best course of action is to define the problem than formulate solutions around the problem case.
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And while on this,i realized that our journalists are quite tough.From Nation TV's 'The enemy within' footage,it is clear that not only leadership,but us as Kenyans need to change our attitude.A civil servant training the 'enemy'... Let's all be the change we want to see.Yes we can! And yes we will! On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Reading through the posts, I think the problem is clear, and solutions are also clear, what lacks is goodwill and leadership, let's hope some foreign country will come to our aid since we are helpless.
On 6/6/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the best course of action is to define the problem than formulate solutions around the problem case.
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Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030 - thats the topic picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health sector. Nurses and medical officers usually take over the roles of doctors in many public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine based on symptoms. The Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical ailments. As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our best have already been lured away , see related story http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
Hi, Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers" Such a culture explains why Facebook is as successful as it is and all we do here is cry like suckling babies, if someone has a solution to this issue just develop the app and present it, this theoretical approach to dealing with issues needs to come to a sudden and abrupt end. I feel we are producing too many theorists in our Universities and its is time we concentrated on practical courses as is done in technical colleges otherwise we are doomed as clerks. Former Presidents Moi was trying to sort this issue out with the 8-4-4 system which we keep trying to kill with no justification. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <> Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:16:59 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030 - thats the topic picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health sector. Nurses and medical officers usually take over the roles of doctors in many public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine based on symptoms. The Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical ailments. As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our best have already been lured away , see related story http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
*Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"* Agreed! Let's walk the talk. -- Josiah Mugambi On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"
Such a culture explains why Facebook is as successful as it is and all we do here is cry like suckling babies, if someone has a solution to this issue just develop the app and present it, this theoretical approach to dealing with issues needs to come to a sudden and abrupt end.
I feel we are producing too many theorists in our Universities and its is time we concentrated on practical courses as is done in technical colleges otherwise we are doomed as clerks. Former Presidents Moi was trying to sort this issue out with the 8-4-4 system which we keep trying to kill with no justification.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < > *Sent:* Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:16:59
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030 - thats the topic picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health sector. Nurses and medical officers usually take over the roles of doctors in many public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine based on symptoms. The Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical ailments. As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our best have already been lured away , see related story http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
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We as a society have a general problem with ethics. Corruption will not be stopped by technology (as KRA have adequately shown http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/KRA+staff+tamper+with+system/-/1006/11... ). A system of ethics needs to be ingrained in the country. A realization that when you don't do your job/take shortcuts/cut corners/bribe etc the consequences go beyond your immediate short term gain... the fact that such behaviour in the long run, if goes unchecked affects you... I think what's worse for me is that while 'our generation' had a proper grounding in ethics etc and chose to depart from them, the newer generation ships with flawed function i.e. ask an 18 year old if it's wrong to overlap in traffic, he won't agree, it's behaviour he has seen since he was a child... With regards to software for hospitals, it's rather simple to build and maintain an Open Source cloud based repository and get hosting for it, I guess the biggest question would be whether anyone would use it... I have a background in cloud computing/virtualization etc and would be willing to volunteer my time for the same... On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
*Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"*
Agreed! Let's walk the talk. -- Josiah Mugambi
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"
Such a culture explains why Facebook is as successful as it is and all we do here is cry like suckling babies, if someone has a solution to this issue just develop the app and present it, this theoretical approach to dealing with issues needs to come to a sudden and abrupt end.
I feel we are producing too many theorists in our Universities and its is time we concentrated on practical courses as is done in technical colleges otherwise we are doomed as clerks. Former Presidents Moi was trying to sort this issue out with the 8-4-4 system which we keep trying to kill with no justification.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < > *Sent:* Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:16:59
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030 - thats the topic picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health sector. Nurses and medical officers usually take over the roles of doctors in many public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine based on symptoms. The Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical ailments. As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our best have already been lured away , see related story http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
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Interesting thoughts colleagues at the beginning of this thread I proposed a stakeholder forum to agree on a framework for implementing the best proposals, two major ICT companies have already developed solutions and are agreeable to public private partnerships, there are people willing to donate their time like Phares, I believe that would be a better way to develop a lasting solution, we have a very proactive Ps and I believe he can bring on board his counterparts from the health sector. On 6/6/11, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
We as a society have a general problem with ethics. Corruption will not be stopped by technology (as KRA have adequately shown http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/KRA+staff+tamper+with+system/-/1006/11... ).
A system of ethics needs to be ingrained in the country. A realization that when you don't do your job/take shortcuts/cut corners/bribe etc the consequences go beyond your immediate short term gain... the fact that such behaviour in the long run, if goes unchecked affects you... I think what's worse for me is that while 'our generation' had a proper grounding in ethics etc and chose to depart from them, the newer generation ships with flawed function i.e. ask an 18 year old if it's wrong to overlap in traffic, he won't agree, it's behaviour he has seen since he was a child...
With regards to software for hospitals, it's rather simple to build and maintain an Open Source cloud based repository and get hosting for it, I guess the biggest question would be whether anyone would use it... I have a background in cloud computing/virtualization etc and would be willing to volunteer my time for the same...
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
*Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"*
Agreed! Let's walk the talk. -- Josiah Mugambi
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"
Such a culture explains why Facebook is as successful as it is and all we do here is cry like suckling babies, if someone has a solution to this issue just develop the app and present it, this theoretical approach to dealing with issues needs to come to a sudden and abrupt end.
I feel we are producing too many theorists in our Universities and its is time we concentrated on practical courses as is done in technical colleges otherwise we are doomed as clerks. Former Presidents Moi was trying to sort this issue out with the 8-4-4 system which we keep trying to kill with no justification.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < > *Sent:* Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:16:59
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030 - thats the topic picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health sector. Nurses and medical officers usually take over the roles of doctors in many public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine based on symptoms. The Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical ailments. As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our best have already been lured away , see related story http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
| T: +254 720 406 093 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ |
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We as a society have a general problem with ethics. Corruption will not be stopped by technology (as KRA have adequately shown http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/KRA+staff+tamper+with+system/-/1 006/1175610/-/4bvxgl/-/index.html ).
A system of ethics needs to be ingrained in the country. A realization that when you don't do your job/take shortcuts/cut corners/bribe etc the consequences go beyond your immediate short term gain... the fact that such behaviour in the long run, if goes unchecked affects you... I think what's worse for me is that while 'our generation' had a proper grounding in ethics etc and chose to depart from them, the newer generation ships with flawed function i.e. ask an 18 year old if it's wrong to overlap in traffic, he won't agree, it's behaviour he has seen since he was a child...
With regards to software for hospitals, it's rather simple to build and maintain an Open Source cloud based repository and get hosting for it, I guess the biggest question would be whether anyone would use it... I have a background in cloud computing/virtualization etc and would be willing to volunteer my time for the same...
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
*Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"*
Agreed! Let's walk the talk. -- Josiah Mugambi
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"
Such a culture explains why Facebook is as successful as it is and all we do here is cry like suckling babies, if someone has a solution to this issue just develop the app and present it, this theoretical approach to dealing with issues needs to come to a sudden and abrupt end.
I feel we are producing too many theorists in our Universities and its is time we concentrated on practical courses as is done in technical colleges otherwise we are doomed as clerks. Former Presidents Moi was trying to sort this issue out with the 8-4-4 system which we keep trying to kill with no justification.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < > *Sent:* Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:16:59
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030 - thats the topic picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health sector. Nurses and medical officers usually take over the roles of doctors in many public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine
Barack, I agree that a stakeholder forum would be important in tackling this. But how to prevent it from being just another 'talking shop'. It would need serious buy-in from the most important stakeholders i.e both GoK ministries of health. My feeling is that this is low on their priority list... Victor -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: 06 June 2011 18:33 To: vgathara@vimak.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities Interesting thoughts colleagues at the beginning of this thread I proposed a stakeholder forum to agree on a framework for implementing the best proposals, two major ICT companies have already developed solutions and are agreeable to public private partnerships, there are people willing to donate their time like Phares, I believe that would be a better way to develop a lasting solution, we have a very proactive Ps and I believe he can bring on board his counterparts from the health sector. On 6/6/11, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: based on symptoms.
The Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical ailments. As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our best have already been lured away , see related story http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- With Regards,
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On point Victor, hence the reason I chose the title of vision 2030 and misplaced priorities, we will continue building infrastructure using debt and use them to dry maize or have our goats which know nothing about return on investment rest on them simply because we allowed those who know why to develop and implement projects without involvement of the affected, I read in a book that he who knows how is always at the mercy of he who knows why, I admit people are losing faith in stakeholder forums and calling them talkshops because there is no one to hold accountable, the leaders blame the citizens yet the citizens try to ensure that they have a comfortable environment so that they can think on their behalf through paying taxes. On 6/7/11, Victor Gathara <vgathara@vimak.co.ke> wrote:
Barack,
I agree that a stakeholder forum would be important in tackling this. But how to prevent it from being just another 'talking shop'. It would need serious buy-in from the most important stakeholders i.e both GoK ministries of health. My feeling is that this is low on their priority list...
Victor
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: 06 June 2011 18:33 To: vgathara@vimak.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Interesting thoughts colleagues at the beginning of this thread I proposed a stakeholder forum to agree on a framework for implementing the best proposals, two major ICT companies have already developed solutions and are agreeable to public private partnerships, there are people willing to donate their time like Phares, I believe that would be a better way to develop a lasting solution, we have a very proactive Ps and I believe he can bring on board his counterparts from the health sector.
We as a society have a general problem with ethics. Corruption will not be stopped by technology (as KRA have adequately shown http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/KRA+staff+tamper+with+system/-/1 006/1175610/-/4bvxgl/-/index.html ).
A system of ethics needs to be ingrained in the country. A realization that when you don't do your job/take shortcuts/cut corners/bribe etc the consequences go beyond your immediate short term gain... the fact that such behaviour in the long run, if goes unchecked affects you... I think what's worse for me is that while 'our generation' had a proper grounding in ethics etc and chose to depart from them, the newer generation ships with flawed function i.e. ask an 18 year old if it's wrong to overlap in traffic, he won't agree, it's behaviour he has seen since he was a child...
With regards to software for hospitals, it's rather simple to build and maintain an Open Source cloud based repository and get hosting for it, I guess the biggest question would be whether anyone would use it... I have a background in cloud computing/virtualization etc and would be willing to volunteer my time for the same...
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
*Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"*
Agreed! Let's walk the talk. -- Josiah Mugambi
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"
Such a culture explains why Facebook is as successful as it is and all we do here is cry like suckling babies, if someone has a solution to this issue just develop the app and present it, this theoretical approach to dealing with issues needs to come to a sudden and abrupt end.
I feel we are producing too many theorists in our Universities and its is time we concentrated on practical courses as is done in technical colleges otherwise we are doomed as clerks. Former Presidents Moi was trying to sort this issue out with the 8-4-4 system which we keep trying to kill with no justification.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < > *Sent:* Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:16:59
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030 - thats the topic picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health sector. Nurses and medical officers usually take over the roles of doctors in many public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine
On 6/6/11, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: based on symptoms.
The Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical ailments. As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our best have already been lured away , see related story http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- With Regards,
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While the discussion is going on. The National Academies Press has released 4000 books online for free online. (http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/free-for-all-national-academies-press...) One particular reference that could be of interest to this discussion is the: Computational Technology for Effective Health Care: Immediate Steps and Strategic Directions (http://books.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12572). It provides some reasonably well articulated "principles of access" that could be applicable in our situation. It also provides/defines the roles of the key stakeholders in the implementation of successful Health IT programs Regards --James On 7 June 2011 11:49, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
On point Victor, hence the reason I chose the title of vision 2030 and misplaced priorities, we will continue building infrastructure using debt and use them to dry maize or have our goats which know nothing about return on investment rest on them simply because we allowed those who know why to develop and implement projects without involvement of the affected, I read in a book that he who knows how is always at the mercy of he who knows why, I admit people are losing faith in stakeholder forums and calling them talkshops because there is no one to hold accountable, the leaders blame the citizens yet the citizens try to ensure that they have a comfortable environment so that they can think on their behalf through paying taxes.
@Robert My strength is in building the infrastructure, not building applications :-). I can create the platform the app is to be created on. At the end of the day, it's something rather simple to do, I guess the first thing to be done is to have the meeting to see what resources can be raised and what the shortfalls are. What's most important is to get a system out there. Whether it will have to be built from scratch or we can customise an open source system. Additionally, can't such a system be spun off as a University student project? Especially considering Nairobi University, Kenyatta University and Moi University both have Computer Science departments and teaching/referral hospitals (in the case of Nairobi University, its Kenyatta, if I'm not wrong, KU is building a Hospital) and medical departments... The app can be developed and hosted within the university with a young testing audience while getting the expertise from the experienced teachers etc... Just a suggestion on how it can work... Kenyatta University may actually be the best bet as everything is in the formative stages... On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:30 PM, James Kariuki <jkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
While the discussion is going on. The National Academies Press has released 4000 books online for free online. ( http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/free-for-all-national-academies-press... )
One particular reference that could be of interest to this discussion is the: Computational Technology for Effective Health Care: Immediate Steps and Strategic Directions (http://books.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12572). It provides some reasonably well articulated "principles of access" that could be applicable in our situation. It also provides/defines the roles of the key stakeholders in the implementation of successful Health IT programs
Regards --James
On 7 June 2011 11:49, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
On point Victor, hence the reason I chose the title of vision 2030 and misplaced priorities, we will continue building infrastructure using debt and use them to dry maize or have our goats which know nothing about return on investment rest on them simply because we allowed those who know why to develop and implement projects without involvement of the affected, I read in a book that he who knows how is always at the mercy of he who knows why, I admit people are losing faith in stakeholder forums and calling them talkshops because there is no one to hold accountable, the leaders blame the citizens yet the citizens try to ensure that they have a comfortable environment so that they can think on their behalf through paying taxes.
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Hi Listers, I was at Tandaa on Monday and the presenter brought home a very critical issue about applications and business in general, "money follows a great product and not vis versa". Bill Gates developed BASIC with no financial plan and so did the developers of Google, Facebook, Linux, Oracle, Yahoo and a myriad of other great application we cannot live without today. Why do we think we can change the model for the development of products from 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration to 10% theory and 110% financing. @Phares Lets get down to perspiration wakati wa maneno umekwisha. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 17:48:00 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities @Robert My strength is in building the infrastructure, not building applications :-). I can create the platform the app is to be created on. At the end of the day, it's something rather simple to do, I guess the first thing to be done is to have the meeting to see what resources can be raised and what the shortfalls are. What's most important is to get a system out there. Whether it will have to be built from scratch or we can customise an open source system. Additionally, can't such a system be spun off as a University student project? Especially considering Nairobi University, Kenyatta University and Moi University both have Computer Science departments and teaching/referral hospitals (in the case of Nairobi University, its Kenyatta, if I'm not wrong, KU is building a Hospital) and medical departments... The app can be developed and hosted within the university with a young testing audience while getting the expertise from the experienced teachers etc... Just a suggestion on how it can work... Kenyatta University may actually be the best bet as everything is in the formative stages... On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:30 PM, James Kariuki <jkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: While the discussion is going on. The National Academies Press has
released 4000 books online for free online. (http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/free-for-all-national-academies-press...)
One particular reference that could be of interest to this discussion is the: Computational Technology for Effective Health Care: Immediate Steps and Strategic Directions (http://books.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12572). It provides some reasonably well articulated "principles of access" that could be applicable in our situation. It also provides/defines the roles of the key stakeholders in the implementation of successful Health IT programs
Regards --James
On 7 June 2011 11:49, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
On point Victor, hence the reason I chose the title of vision 2030 and misplaced priorities, we will continue building infrastructure using debt and use them to dry maize or have our goats which know nothing about return on investment rest on them simply because we allowed those who know why to develop and implement projects without involvement of the affected, I read in a book that he who knows how is always at the mercy of he who knows why, I admit people are losing faith in stakeholder forums and calling them talkshops because there is no one to hold accountable, the leaders blame the citizens yet the citizens try to ensure that they have a comfortable environment so that they can think on their behalf through paying taxes.
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Well, As for me, I plan to use my strength, awareness, making the public aware that they need to read about the effects of the drugs, while the paper inside may hide this in jargon, a simple read up on the net can reveal certain conditions when one is required to immediately stop taking medication and seek urgent medical attention. The few doctors may not like it when the patients do that, but we have too many quacks who just prescribe medicine without advising the patient on complications, or even whether the patient really needs the medicine. As for software solutions, I asked that we do a proper analysis of the problem statement. Why? We will rush to make a software solution that no one will use, or maybe will only be used for a few months before dying off. At the same time, we already have several tools like Ushahidi which can be tweaked to provide a solution compared to one done from the ground up. Lets not do another CRM that management love and users hate and will not use.
Hi, Its open source and I believe it would run on Linux and its cloud based so can utilise thin clients and finally its what you do for a living. My proposal is that you develop the app, assuming the time taken was to respond to a rfp, host it on your pc and then demonstrate it to us at which point we shall be justified in harassing the PS and any other decision makers like KICT Board. That would be a true case of being ethical about the issue at hand, but if all we want is to speculate how we can solve the issue then we are no different from the rest of the citizenry which then forces me to echo Dr. Ndemo's plea Mungu tu atusaidie. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 17:06:21 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities We as a society have a general problem with ethics. Corruption will not be stopped by technology (as KRA have adequately shown http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/KRA+staff+tamper+with+system/-/1006/11...). A system of ethics needs to be ingrained in the country. A realization that when you don't do your job/take shortcuts/cut corners/bribe etc the consequences go beyond your immediate short term gain... the fact that such behaviour in the long run, if goes unchecked affects you... I think what's worse for me is that while 'our generation' had a proper grounding in ethics etc and chose to depart from them, the newer generation ships with flawed function i.e. ask an 18 year old if it's wrong to overlap in traffic, he won't agree, it's behaviour he has seen since he was a child... With regards to software for hospitals, it's rather simple to build and maintain an Open Source cloud based repository and get hosting for it, I guess the biggest question would be whether anyone would use it... I have a background in cloud computing/virtualization etc and would be willing to volunteer my time for the same... On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote: Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"
Agreed! Let's walk the talk.
-- Josiah Mugambi
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"
Such a culture explains why Facebook is as successful as it is and all we do here is cry like suckling babies, if someone has a solution to this issue just develop the app and present it, this theoretical approach to dealing with issues needs to come to a sudden and abrupt end.
I feel we are producing too many theorists in our Universities and its is time we concentrated on practical courses as is done in technical colleges otherwise we are doomed as clerks. Former Presidents Moi was trying to sort this issue out with the 8-4-4 system which we keep trying to kill with no justification.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030 - thats the topic picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health sector. Nurses and medical officers usually take over the roles of doctors in many public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine based on symptoms. The Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical ailments. As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our best have already been lured away , see related story http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
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Bobby, I beg to differ with that approach it is as good as saying everyone for himself and God for us all. We are discussing an issue that will impact a nation as a whole, we are used to taking the what is in it for me route which is not bad since we are in a capitalist society but is there harm to bring our synergies together and work on a lasting solution?, the issue here is that Malaria may be an issue in Western and Nyanza so do we live it to people from those areas to sort themselves out? lest we forget that it is such things that make people from as close as Isiolo refer to Nairobi as Kenya since they are not part and parcel of issues that we are discussing such as these, this is not an issue that will be resolved though automation alone it will need techies, clerks , village elders et al to make them work, lets not forget that for a long time Research findings from Gartner have always shown a 70 percent failure rate of most ICT initiatives and projects because of soft issues that we are sweeping under the carpet, i chose this title on the premises that a Healthy Nation is a Wealthy Nation and we might focus on building an economy and forget the people who are the real workers (no wonders corporations shake when Atwoli sneezes), lets not forget the fact that 5 years ago we were discussing the digital divide in all manner of forums how are we sure that the Techno City will not enhance the digital divide?, procurement issues are likely to arise once the applications have been done , i have seen people making noise as to who invented the globally acclaimed MPESA, is this the direction we want to take and start lamenting. Sooner or later we will create a nation of activists. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:32 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Its open source and I believe it would run on Linux and its cloud based so can utilise thin clients and finally its what you do for a living.
My proposal is that you develop the app, assuming the time taken was to respond to a rfp, host it on your pc and then demonstrate it to us at which point we shall be justified in harassing the PS and any other decision makers like KICT Board.
That would be a true case of being ethical about the issue at hand, but if all we want is to speculate how we can solve the issue then we are no different from the rest of the citizenry which then forces me to echo Dr. Ndemo's plea *Mungu tu atusaidie.* * * Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Mon, 6 June, 2011 17:06:21
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
We as a society have a general problem with ethics. Corruption will not be stopped by technology (as KRA have adequately shown http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/KRA+staff+tamper+with+system/-/1006/11... ).
A system of ethics needs to be ingrained in the country. A realization that when you don't do your job/take shortcuts/cut corners/bribe etc the consequences go beyond your immediate short term gain... the fact that such behaviour in the long run, if goes unchecked affects you... I think what's worse for me is that while 'our generation' had a proper grounding in ethics etc and chose to depart from them, the newer generation ships with flawed function i.e. ask an 18 year old if it's wrong to overlap in traffic, he won't agree, it's behaviour he has seen since he was a child...
With regards to software for hospitals, it's rather simple to build and maintain an Open Source cloud based repository and get hosting for it, I guess the biggest question would be whether anyone would use it... I have a background in cloud computing/virtualization etc and would be willing to volunteer my time for the same...
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
*Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"*
Agreed! Let's walk the talk. -- Josiah Mugambi
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
Hi,
Yesterday I watched a documentary titled Facebook Obsession and I liked a statement by a former Facebook employee who said that "at Facebook you do not say I think or I have an idea, what you do is develop a prototype and then present that to your peers"
Such a culture explains why Facebook is as successful as it is and all we do here is cry like suckling babies, if someone has a solution to this issue just develop the app and present it, this theoretical approach to dealing with issues needs to come to a sudden and abrupt end.
I feel we are producing too many theorists in our Universities and its is time we concentrated on practical courses as is done in technical colleges otherwise we are doomed as clerks. Former Presidents Moi was trying to sort this issue out with the 8-4-4 system which we keep trying to kill with no justification.
Regards
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
*To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < > *Sent:* Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:16:59
*Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Let me not be mistaken that I am faulting Vision 2030 - thats the topic picked on by Gachagua - rather my concern is in the health sector. Nurses and medical officers usually take over the roles of doctors in many public hospitals , and will always subscribe medicine based on symptoms. The Labs might not be well equipped for diagnosis on various tropical ailments. As for personnel, we do have some great ones, though it appears our best have already been lured away , see related story http://allafrica.com/stories/201106060136.html
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Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here. Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor. The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again. The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue. Regards Ndemo.
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________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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ICT gurus have one thing in common find the problem, define it, troubleshoot, find a temporary work around, a solution, document the solution and Proactive Maintenance. These are key traits to be injected to other sectors like Health. The Kenya ICT board members are way ahead in terms of ICT. It never surprised me one day when a nurse of a prominent hospital in western Kenya wanted an emergency leave to go out of the country due to an emergency, what followed was a lot of bureaucracy, use of faxes and handwritten letters and physical delivery of the letters in person to the parties involved, who are in different districts, as the post office would take 3 days, At the end of the day She was granted but she left red flags escalating way up to the PS of health. On the ground Use of Emails and Internet is still a big challenge, where IT is embraced you have to print and sent through post no Emails. We need doctors and other Medical Practitioners to appreciate tools like WebMD, and other online tools. The best way to approach the health sector is ensure we have a robust Health management system or ERP. The deployment of this system should be a joint mission by the ministry of health, ministry of ICT and other ministries that might be related. What is on the ground is Hospitals are allocated money for ICT compliancy and they tender, Money minded Briefcase Companies win, do a substandard job, leaving the hospital with a working ICT infrastructure that is crippled, Not done to standard with bottlenecked Internet speeds, Intranets. The best is deployment of standardized ICT hardware and Networking in 1st Phase across major hospitals and Evaluation of Systems already deployed. The second Phase, the Deployment of a Standard Hospital Management Systems or ERP solution on the already standardized Infrastructure. The third phase is the going live of the systems on the given hospitals and internetworking of all the hospitals. A data center will be required in good time but those provisions are already provided for by the GDC and the future GDC. With regard to the above, Deployment of M-Health should be done after, PS Ndemo Should wear the surgeons gloves and dissect the health sector with ICT blades, Introduce HEALTH ERP systems, like Medinous and others. The key features of the software system of the hospitals should be Registration, Patient Check In / Check Out, Laboratory / Pathology Automation, Inventory System, Food Department Automation, Medicine, Patient Record Maintenance, Staff Record Maintenance, Staff Payroll System, Doctor Consultant, Laundry Maintenance System, Emergency Services, Operation Room / ICU Maintenance, In-house Mailing System, Blood Bank Maintenance System, Database of Blood Donors / Blood Group, Billing System, Communication of different Group Hospitals through Internet, News forum for flashing news, articles and important meetings, Infrastructure Maintenance, Medical Equipment Maintenance, Integration of various disciplines, Web Sites for the Hospitals & its Features.
Daktari, The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue. There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose. If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication. Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:48:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here. Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor. The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again. The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue. Regards Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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Robert, There are so many solutions but the trouble is each individual wants it in their own way even if it is not as comprehensive. From what I have seen, we could combine the innovations and come up with a much better solution. I will have several presenters and I hope most of the listers attend to see if we can create mergers. I have not decided on the date since MOH has not confirmed. They must attend for it to make sense and hopefully implement the solutions. Some of you have admonished me for letting out what could be a wonderful business idea. To be honest if we parked selfishness somewhere for six months, we shall achieve the vision 2030. There are several ideas hidden because people think others will benefit from the idea. Regards Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:48:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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Bwana Ndemo, I agree with you on the selfishness issue which clearly explains why as a nation we are unable to tap our full potential. We need to take this issue beyond a talk shop and turn it into a demonstration of available solutions and to light a fire under the local paper developers open it up to foreign players as well. I am sure the Alliance Technologies, Synergy Systems, Vavient/PesaPal and Virtual City would definitely have no fear in having an open scenario. Protectionism does no work so lets open up the floodgates and let those who can swim swim and those who cannot submerge. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 18:50:05 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities Robert, There are so many solutions but the trouble is each individual wants it in their own way even if it is not as comprehensive. From what I have seen, we could combine the innovations and come up with a much better solution. I will have several presenters and I hope most of the listers attend to see if we can create mergers. I have not decided on the date since MOH has not confirmed. They must attend for it to make sense and hopefully implement the solutions. Some of you have admonished me for letting out what could be a wonderful business idea. To be honest if we parked selfishness somewhere for six months, we shall achieve the vision 2030. There are several ideas hidden because people think others will benefit from the idea. Regards Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:48:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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We need collaboration to fast track job creation in content development. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xftyTI5dKBs Ndemo.
Bwana Ndemo,
I agree with you on the selfishness issue which clearly explains why as a nation we are unable to tap our full potential.
We need to take this issue beyond a talk shop and turn it into a demonstration of available solutions and to light a fire under the local paper developers open it up to foreign players as well.
I am sure the Alliance Technologies, Synergy Systems, Vavient/PesaPal and Virtual City would definitely have no fear in having an open scenario.
Protectionism does no work so lets open up the floodgates and let those who can swim swim and those who cannot submerge.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 18:50:05 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, There are so many solutions but the trouble is each individual wants it in their own way even if it is not as comprehensive. From what I have seen, we could combine the innovations and come up with a much better solution. I will have several presenters and I hope most of the listers attend to see if we can create mergers. I have not decided on the date since MOH has not confirmed. They must attend for it to make sense and hopefully implement the solutions.
Some of you have admonished me for letting out what could be a wonderful business idea. To be honest if we parked selfishness somewhere for six months, we shall achieve the vision 2030. There are several ideas hidden because people think others will benefit from the idea.
Regards
Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:48:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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hehehee... quite nice. though i dont understand much of the Kiuk language, I found it amusing and its a good start..HOWEVER, maybe we need to paint these flinstones abit darker. My brain kept spinning(hanging) when trying connecting the language spoken to the white skin of the flinstones. Another challenge could be copyright issues. hope the producers have sorted out the permissions required if any... walu. --- On Wed, 6/8/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Creativity at its best. To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 7:35 PM We need collaboration to fast track job creation in content development. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xftyTI5dKBs Ndemo.
Bwana Ndemo,
I agree with you on the selfishness issue which clearly explains why as a nation we are unable to tap our full potential.
We need to take this issue beyond a talk shop and turn it into a demonstration of available solutions and to light a fire under the local paper developers open it up to foreign players as well.
I am sure the Alliance Technologies, Synergy Systems, Vavient/PesaPal and Virtual City would definitely have no fear in having an open scenario.
Protectionism does no work so lets open up the floodgates and let those who can swim swim and those who cannot submerge.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 18:50:05 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, There are so many solutions but the trouble is each individual wants it in their own way even if it is not as comprehensive. From what I have seen, we could combine the innovations and come up with a much better solution. I will have several presenters and I hope most of the listers attend to see if we can create mergers. I have not decided on the date since MOH has not confirmed. They must attend for it to make sense and hopefully implement the solutions.
Some of you have admonished me for letting out what could be a wonderful business idea. To be honest if we parked selfishness somewhere for six months, we shall achieve the vision 2030. There are several ideas hidden because people think others will benefit from the idea.
Regards
Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:48:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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Think of the airlines and the safety procedure clips! On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
hehehee...
quite nice. though i dont understand much of the Kiuk language, I found it amusing and its a good start..HOWEVER, maybe we need to paint these flinstones abit darker. My brain kept spinning(hanging) when trying connecting the language spoken to the white skin of the flinstones.
Another challenge could be copyright issues. hope the producers have sorted out the permissions required if any...
walu.
--- On *Wed, 6/8/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke>* wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Creativity at its best. To: jwalu@yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 7:35 PM
We need collaboration to fast track job creation in content development.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xftyTI5dKBs
Ndemo.
Bwana Ndemo,
I agree with you on the selfishness issue which clearly explains why as a nation we are unable to tap our full potential.
We need to take this issue beyond a talk shop and turn it into a demonstration of available solutions and to light a fire under the local paper developers open it up to foreign players as well.
I am sure the Alliance Technologies, Synergy Systems, Vavient/PesaPal and Virtual City would definitely have no fear in having an open scenario.
Protectionism does no work so lets open up the floodgates and let those who can swim swim and those who cannot submerge.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>" < bitange@jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 18:50:05 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, There are so many solutions but the trouble is each individual wants it in their own way even if it is not as comprehensive. From what I have seen, we could combine the innovations and come up with a much better solution. I will have several presenters and I hope most of the listers attend to see if we can create mergers. I have not decided on the date since MOH has not confirmed. They must attend for it to make sense and hopefully implement the solutions.
Some of you have admonished me for letting out what could be a wonderful business idea. To be honest if we parked selfishness somewhere for six months, we shall achieve the vision 2030. There are several ideas hidden because people think others will benefit from the idea.
Regards
Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>" <bitange@jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:48:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com<http://mc/compose?to=pamela@cardiacimplants.com>" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com<http://mc/compose?to=pamela@cardiacimplants.com>
To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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Can we not have stuff like Son of Samson, Bogi Benda, Juha Kalulu - in short animated films/series for adults and movies - that would be organically grown content IMHO. I gather Flend and Mbarney are talking abt dogs and it sounds funny but is it any different than a subtitled movie or translated one? If someone wants to make a short animated film (or series) for kids, I know a Kenyan author who is happy to negotiate for film rights for his book... Rgds F On 9 June 2011 10:43, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
hehehee...
quite nice. though i dont understand much of the Kiuk language, I found it amusing and its a good start..HOWEVER, maybe we need to paint these flinstones abit darker. My brain kept spinning(hanging) when trying connecting the language spoken to the white skin of the flinstones.
Another challenge could be copyright issues. hope the producers have sorted out the permissions required if any...
walu.
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Creativity at its best. To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 7:35 PM
We need collaboration to fast track job creation in content development.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xftyTI5dKBs
Ndemo.
Bwana Ndemo,
I agree with you on the selfishness issue which clearly explains why as a nation we are unable to tap our full potential.
We need to take this issue beyond a talk shop and turn it into a demonstration of available solutions and to light a fire under the local paper developers open it up to foreign players as well.
I am sure the Alliance Technologies, Synergy Systems, Vavient/PesaPal and Virtual City would definitely have no fear in having an open scenario.
Protectionism does no work so lets open up the floodgates and let those who can swim swim and those who cannot submerge.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>" < bitange@jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
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Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 18:50:05 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, There are so many solutions but the trouble is each individual wants it in their own way even if it is not as comprehensive. From what I have seen, we could combine the innovations and come up with a much better solution. I will have several presenters and I hope most of the listers attend to see if we can create mergers. I have not decided on the date since MOH has not confirmed. They must attend for it to make sense and hopefully implement the solutions.
Some of you have admonished me for letting out what could be a wonderful business idea. To be honest if we parked selfishness somewhere for six months, we shall achieve the vision 2030. There are several ideas hidden because people think others will benefit from the idea.
Regards
Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com<http://mc/compose?to=pamela@cardiacimplants.com>" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com<http://mc/compose?to=pamela@cardiacimplants.com>
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John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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Francis, I can confirm that Juha Kalulu is being worked on. It is coming in a few months time. Regards Ndemo.
Can we not have stuff like Son of Samson, Bogi Benda, Juha Kalulu - in short animated films/series for adults and movies - that would be organically grown content IMHO.
I gather Flend and Mbarney are talking abt dogs and it sounds funny but is it any different than a subtitled movie or translated one?
If someone wants to make a short animated film (or series) for kids, I know a Kenyan author who is happy to negotiate for film rights for his book...
Rgds
F
On 9 June 2011 10:43, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
hehehee...
quite nice. though i dont understand much of the Kiuk language, I found it amusing and its a good start..HOWEVER, maybe we need to paint these flinstones abit darker. My brain kept spinning(hanging) when trying connecting the language spoken to the white skin of the flinstones.
Another challenge could be copyright issues. hope the producers have sorted out the permissions required if any...
walu.
--- On *Wed, 6/8/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke>* wrote:
From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Creativity at its best. To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011, 7:35 PM
We need collaboration to fast track job creation in content development.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xftyTI5dKBs
Ndemo.
Bwana Ndemo,
I agree with you on the selfishness issue which clearly explains why as a nation we are unable to tap our full potential.
We need to take this issue beyond a talk shop and turn it into a demonstration of available solutions and to light a fire under the local paper developers open it up to foreign players as well.
I am sure the Alliance Technologies, Synergy Systems, Vavient/PesaPal and Virtual City would definitely have no fear in having an open scenario.
Protectionism does no work so lets open up the floodgates and let those who can swim swim and those who cannot submerge.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 18:50:05 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, There are so many solutions but the trouble is each individual wants it in their own way even if it is not as comprehensive. From what I have seen, we could combine the innovations and come up with a much better solution. I will have several presenters and I hope most of the listers attend to see if we can create mergers. I have not decided on the date since MOH has not confirmed. They must attend for it to make sense and hopefully implement the solutions.
Some of you have admonished me for letting out what could be a wonderful business idea. To be honest if we parked selfishness somewhere for six months, we shall achieve the vision 2030. There are several ideas hidden because people think others will benefit from the idea.
Regards
Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>" <bitange@jambo.co.ke <http://mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke>> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
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Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:48:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com<http://mc/compose?to=pamela@cardiacimplants.com>" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com<http://mc/compose?to=pamela@cardiacimplants.com>
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Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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Dear Colleagues, We want to showcase these solutions at the 2011 AfriHealth Conference, to be held in Nairobi over 30 November - 1 December. The conference Call for Papers is attached. Innovators are invited to make case study presentations in the conference, as well as showcase their solutions in the expo. Please contact me for any further details. Yours sincerely, Sean Moroney Chairman AITEC Africa seanm@aitecafrica.com UK Tel: +44(0)1480-880774 UK Fax: +44(0)1480-880765 UK Mobile: +44(0)7973-499224 Skype: seanmoroney www.aitecafrica.com -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+seanm=aitecafrica.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: 07 June 2011 15:50 To: seanm@aitecafrica.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities Robert, There are so many solutions but the trouble is each individual wants it in their own way even if it is not as comprehensive. From what I have seen, we could combine the innovations and come up with a much better solution. I will have several presenters and I hope most of the listers attend to see if we can create mergers. I have not decided on the date since MOH has not confirmed. They must attend for it to make sense and hopefully implement the solutions. Some of you have admonished me for letting out what could be a wonderful business idea. To be honest if we parked selfishness somewhere for six months, we shall achieve the vision 2030. There are several ideas hidden because people think others will benefit from the idea. Regards Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:48:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone from Zain Kenya
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Going back to this case, it seems that a Post Mortem would have revealed cause of death. While some say drug interaction may have been the cause, Gachagua did not indicate which drug the deceased took. I have been reading a few documents on Malaria and the case described above is more associated with death from Malaria - does this mean the medicine failed to work? Kenya is also listed as a multi-drug resistant country. As for malaria vaccine, a pal working at a KEMRI Malaria project in Kilifi tells me that the Malaria vaccine seems to be several years away. They say the Malaria parasite is yet to be documented and studied sufficiently hence not much is known about it. At the moment, KEMRI is studying resistance to the disease by looking at those who are rarely affected in epidemic areas. Here is a recent experience where I was prescribed the powerful drugs for the wrong disease (misdiagnosis). Our health sector is already in a mess as all sorts of drugs are available over the counter while "hospitals" are busy prescribing the remainder in abandon. http://blog.denniskioko.com/2011/06/medicines-in-kenya-cure-or-poison.html
Thank you Dennis, would anyone who attended the breakfast meeting brief us on any tangible outcomes of the breakfast meeting?, on another note i just read an interesting Phrase from a book called Surgical Prayer by Tom Deuschle ' *The Provision of Sound Medical services is key in the developement of any nation. the worlds Medical systems have failed whenever they have been driven by profit only, Without a consideration of the staff that work in the medical service arena, the population to be served and without ownership within the industr*y' On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Going back to this case, it seems that a Post Mortem would have revealed cause of death. While some say drug interaction may have been the cause, Gachagua did not indicate which drug the deceased took.
I have been reading a few documents on Malaria and the case described above is more associated with death from Malaria - does this mean the medicine failed to work? Kenya is also listed as a multi-drug resistant country.
As for malaria vaccine, a pal working at a KEMRI Malaria project in Kilifi tells me that the Malaria vaccine seems to be several years away. They say the Malaria parasite is yet to be documented and studied sufficiently hence not much is known about it. At the moment, KEMRI is studying resistance to the disease by looking at those who are rarely affected in epidemic areas.
Here is a recent experience where I was prescribed the powerful drugs for the wrong disease (misdiagnosis). Our health sector is already in a mess as all sorts of drugs are available over the counter while "hospitals" are busy prescribing the remainder in abandon. http://blog.denniskioko.com/2011/06/medicines-in-kenya-cure-or-poison.html
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Barrack, I did attend the breakfast meeting and gave my view on the meeting in an earlier post (as did James Ratemo as I recall). The meeting basically showcased Safaricom's mhealth platform hosted on the cloud (very much along the lines of Microsoft HealthVault and Google Health) as well as some interesting applications such as Dial a Doc, m-pedigree, Cisco's health presence, and Samsung's Dr Smart. There was an ehealth application demonstrated too though it would need customising. All interesting but no quick wins for public health. There wasn's much technical discussion as the plenary was short and not so well attended. The government dignitaries made the right noises about fast tracking ehealth and mhealth initiatives (the positive news was that the ehealth strategy is complete and is set for launch soon). Safaricom did promise to continue the discussion online though I presume this hasn't taken off (or I am not in the loop). Regarding Malaria I am particularly interested in what can be done to improve disease surveillance and data collection. What systems can be used to monitor how well interventions e.g nets, spraying are working. Any mobile applications out there? Victor From: kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: 27 June 2011 18:45 To: vgathara@vimak.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities Thank you Dennis, would anyone who attended the breakfast meeting brief us on any tangible outcomes of the breakfast meeting?, on another note i just read an interesting Phrase from a book called Surgical Prayer by Tom Deuschle ' The Provision of Sound Medical services is key in the developement of any nation. the worlds Medical systems have failed whenever they have been driven by profit only, Without a consideration of the staff that work in the medical service arena, the population to be served and without ownership within the industry' On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: Going back to this case, it seems that a Post Mortem would have revealed cause of death. While some say drug interaction may have been the cause, Gachagua did not indicate which drug the deceased took. I have been reading a few documents on Malaria and the case described above is more associated with death from Malaria - does this mean the medicine failed to work? Kenya is also listed as a multi-drug resistant country. As for malaria vaccine, a pal working at a KEMRI Malaria project in Kilifi tells me that the Malaria vaccine seems to be several years away. They say the Malaria parasite is yet to be documented and studied sufficiently hence not much is known about it. At the moment, KEMRI is studying resistance to the disease by looking at those who are rarely affected in epidemic areas. Here is a recent experience where I was prescribed the powerful drugs for the wrong disease (misdiagnosis). Our health sector is already in a mess as all sorts of drugs are available over the counter while "hospitals" are busy prescribing the remainder in abandon. http://blog.denniskioko.com/2011/06/medicines-in-kenya-cure-or-poison.html _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail. com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Barrack O. Otieno Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com> gister.bi, www.afriregister.com <http://www.afriergister.com> ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno
Many thanks Victor for your prompt response. Best Regards On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Victor Gathara <vgathara@vimak.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack,
I did attend the breakfast meeting and gave my view on the meeting in an earlier post (as did James Ratemo as I recall).
The meeting basically showcased Safaricom’s mhealth platform hosted on the cloud (very much along the lines of Microsoft HealthVault and Google Health) as well as some interesting applications such as Dial a Doc, m-pedigree, Cisco’s health presence, and Samsung’s Dr Smart. There was an ehealth application demonstrated too though it would need customising. All interesting but no quick wins for public health. There wasn’s much technical discussion as the plenary was short and not so well attended.
The government dignitaries made the right noises about fast tracking ehealth and mhealth initiatives (the positive news was that the ehealth strategy is complete and is set for launch soon).
Safaricom did promise to continue the discussion online though I presume this hasn’t taken off (or I am not in the loop).
Regarding Malaria I am particularly interested in what can be done to improve disease surveillance and data collection. What systems can be used to monitor how well interventions e.g nets, spraying are working. Any mobile applications out there?
Victor
From: kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: 27 June 2011 18:45
To: vgathara@vimak.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Thank you Dennis, would anyone who attended the breakfast meeting brief us on any tangible outcomes of the breakfast meeting?, on another note i just read an interesting Phrase from a book called Surgical Prayer by Tom Deuschle
' The Provision of Sound Medical services is key in the developement of any nation. the worlds Medical systems have failed whenever they have been driven by profit only, Without a consideration of the staff that work in the medical service arena, the population to be served and without ownership within the industry'
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Going back to this case, it seems that a Post Mortem would have revealed cause of death. While some say drug interaction may have been the cause, Gachagua did not indicate which drug the deceased took.
I have been reading a few documents on Malaria and the case described above is more associated with death from Malaria - does this mean the medicine failed to work? Kenya is also listed as a multi-drug resistant country.
As for malaria vaccine, a pal working at a KEMRI Malaria project in Kilifi tells me that the Malaria vaccine seems to be several years away. They say the Malaria parasite is yet to be documented and studied sufficiently hence not much is known about it. At the moment, KEMRI is studying resistance to the disease by looking at those who are rarely affected in epidemic areas.
Here is a recent experience where I was prescribed the powerful drugs for the wrong disease (misdiagnosis). Our health sector is already in a mess as all sorts of drugs are available over the counter while "hospitals" are busy prescribing the remainder in abandon. http://blog.denniskioko.com/2011/06/medicines-in-kenya-cure-or-poison.html
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I missed the above AGM that took place last week? Anyone willing to give us updates/briefs on key highlights/what transpired or did not transpire? Ave scanned their website www.kenic.or.ke but nothing uploaded yet...last minutes were for 2009, wonder where 2010 minutes are. Anyway, am specifically interested in. a) what is the .KENIC position with regard to dot.africa? b) how does KENIC expect to be impacted by the creation of dot.africa? c) what is the current market structure/position between the tld dot.Ke and the secondary domains? 2yrs ago it was quite an issue.? d) anything else we should know? walu.
Hey Walu, Your absence was noticeable, the meeting went on well, most of the matters discussed were inhouse, notable topics were the progress on the local dispute resolution mechanism being established at Kenic to arbitrate on domain related disputes, we were also briefed on the KeNIC Strategic plan which is being implemented in phases and going by what was presented the future looks bright (at least the Financial report demonstrated this), google also did a very interesting presentation highlighting opportunities that the internet is likely to offer in the near future and the need for strategic partnerships (Kenic intends to work with registrars to make sure they hit a target of 50000 .Ke domains) , the organisers promised to put up all this information on their website , i am sure it is being compiled somewhere. And lest i forget we were taken through the new look KeNIC website whose aim is to improve how the TLDs clients interact with it. I looked at the Strategic Plan which seems great, i am still searching for their digital strategy which i hope is tucked somewhere in the website, as you can see, a lot of this were inhouse issues with brief comments on KeNICS role at ICANN. (Participation and Hosting number 37) Best Regards On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
I missed the above AGM that took place last week? Anyone willing to give us updates/briefs on key highlights/what transpired or did not transpire?
Ave scanned their website www.kenic.or.ke but nothing uploaded yet...last minutes were for 2009, wonder where 2010 minutes are. Anyway, am specifically interested in.
a) what is the .KENIC position with regard to dot.africa? b) how does KENIC expect to be impacted by the creation of dot.africa? c) what is the current market structure/position between the tld dot.Ke and the secondary domains? 2yrs ago it was quite an issue.? d) anything else we should know?
walu.
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You have captured most issues Mr. Barrack. But I wish to narrow down to this Issues addressed 1. Growth prospects. There was a strategy to capture all schools in Kenya and give them a domain Target was about 31000 domains. Not very sure. 2. Register all companies in Kenya. Target, ... 3. There was a flame war on representation of registrars on the KENIC board which the chairman Mr. Burachara extinguished before any substantive agreement. Registrars felt that the current representation of DRAKE on the Kenic board was not 'representative' since the drake members are not known, they don't have an open forum, and there are no elections or apointments by members from the existing registrars. The issue of the Board being reconstituted might need to be discussed at lengths and taken to the secretary before the next AGM. Members were to create a mailing list for registrars to be discussing issues they feel are important and air them at the AGMs. 4. Google challenged us to pull up our socks on local content. The local content would be brought by more domains registered. They predicted a market growth in Kenya of $2Billion in digital advertising by the end of 5 years, with current advertising revenue per year in all media standing at $600Million. 5. The recent downtimes at the registry was queried, but Paul Musee assured members that the problem has been delt with by providing two redundant links to support the main link, and more links are being sort from TESPOK members. Any volunteers here? Moses Kemibaro had a good summary on the AGM. Probably you can look at his blog. Organisation and Attendance of the general AGM was good. Kind Regards Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248 Transworld Computer Channels On 29/06/2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Walu,
Your absence was noticeable, the meeting went on well, most of the matters discussed were inhouse, notable topics were the progress on the local dispute resolution mechanism being established at Kenic to arbitrate on domain related disputes, we were also briefed on the KeNIC Strategic plan which is being implemented in phases and going by what was presented the future looks bright (at least the Financial report demonstrated this), google also did a very interesting presentation highlighting opportunities that the internet is likely to offer in the near future and the need for strategic partnerships (Kenic intends to work with registrars to make sure they hit a target of 50000 .Ke domains) , the organisers promised to put up all this information on their website , i am sure it is being compiled somewhere. And lest i forget we were taken through the new look KeNIC website whose aim is to improve how the TLDs clients interact with it. I looked at the Strategic Plan which seems great, i am still searching for their digital strategy which i hope is tucked somewhere in the website, as you can see, a lot of this were inhouse issues with brief comments on KeNICS role at ICANN. (Participation and Hosting number 37)
Best Regards
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
I missed the above AGM that took place last week? Anyone willing to give us updates/briefs on key highlights/what transpired or did not transpire?
Ave scanned their website www.kenic.or.ke but nothing uploaded yet...last minutes were for 2009, wonder where 2010 minutes are. Anyway, am specifically interested in.
a) what is the .KENIC position with regard to dot.africa? b) how does KENIC expect to be impacted by the creation of dot.africa? c) what is the current market structure/position between the tld dot.Ke and the secondary domains? 2yrs ago it was quite an issue.? d) anything else we should know?
walu.
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Thats precise Mwendwa, thanks. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
You have captured most issues Mr. Barrack. But I wish to narrow down to this Issues addressed 1. Growth prospects. There was a strategy to capture all schools in Kenya and give them a domain Target was about 31000 domains. Not very sure. 2. Register all companies in Kenya. Target, ... 3. There was a flame war on representation of registrars on the KENIC board which the chairman Mr. Burachara extinguished before any substantive agreement. Registrars felt that the current representation of DRAKE on the Kenic board was not 'representative' since the drake members are not known, they don't have an open forum, and there are no elections or apointments by members from the existing registrars. The issue of the Board being reconstituted might need to be discussed at lengths and taken to the secretary before the next AGM. Members were to create a mailing list for registrars to be discussing issues they feel are important and air them at the AGMs. 4. Google challenged us to pull up our socks on local content. The local content would be brought by more domains registered. They predicted a market growth in Kenya of $2Billion in digital advertising by the end of 5 years, with current advertising revenue per year in all media standing at $600Million. 5. The recent downtimes at the registry was queried, but Paul Musee assured members that the problem has been delt with by providing two redundant links to support the main link, and more links are being sort from TESPOK members. Any volunteers here?
Moses Kemibaro had a good summary on the AGM. Probably you can look at his blog.
Organisation and Attendance of the general AGM was good.
Kind Regards Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248 Transworld Computer Channels
On 29/06/2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Walu,
Your absence was noticeable, the meeting went on well, most of the matters discussed were inhouse, notable topics were the progress on the local dispute resolution mechanism being established at Kenic to arbitrate on domain related disputes, we were also briefed on the KeNIC Strategic plan which is being implemented in phases and going by what was presented the future looks bright (at least the Financial report demonstrated this), google also did a very interesting presentation highlighting opportunities that the internet is likely to offer in the near future and the need for strategic partnerships (Kenic intends to work with registrars to make sure they hit a target of 50000 .Ke domains) , the organisers promised to put up all this information on their website , i am sure it is being compiled somewhere. And lest i forget we were taken through the new look KeNIC website whose aim is to improve how the TLDs clients interact with it. I looked at the Strategic Plan which seems great, i am still searching for their digital strategy which i hope is tucked somewhere in the website, as you can see, a lot of this were inhouse issues with brief comments on KeNICS role at ICANN. (Participation and Hosting number 37)
Best Regards
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
I missed the above AGM that took place last week? Anyone willing to give us updates/briefs on key highlights/what transpired or did not transpire?
Ave scanned their website www.kenic.or.ke but nothing uploaded yet...last minutes were for 2009, wonder where 2010 minutes are. Anyway, am specifically interested in.
a) what is the .KENIC position with regard to dot.africa? b) how does KENIC expect to be impacted by the creation of dot.africa? c) what is the current market structure/position between the tld dot.Ke and the secondary domains? 2yrs ago it was quite an issue.? d) anything else we should know?
walu.
-- Barrack O. Otieno Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi, www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno
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Thanx all the update. Yeah, the representation and subsequent appointments to the KENIC board may need a bit of reviewing. walu. nb: btw, DRAKE. Is this an acronym or someones name? google returns a music label. Sorry to ask, but am not sure I have heard of him/them (but maybe i dont need to). --- On Wed, 6/29/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenic AGM To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 10:01 PM Thats precise Mwendwa, thanks. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
You have captured most issues Mr. Barrack. But I wish to narrow down to this Issues addressed 1. Growth prospects. There was a strategy to capture all schools in Kenya and give them a domain Target was about 31000 domains. Not very sure. 2. Register all companies in Kenya. Target, ... 3. There was a flame war on representation of registrars on the KENIC board which the chairman Mr. Burachara extinguished before any substantive agreement. Registrars felt that the current representation of DRAKE on the Kenic board was not 'representative' since the drake members are not known, they don't have an open forum, and there are no elections or apointments by members from the existing registrars. The issue of the Board being reconstituted might need to be discussed at lengths and taken to the secretary before the next AGM. Members were to create a mailing list for registrars to be discussing issues they feel are important and air them at the AGMs. 4. Google challenged us to pull up our socks on local content. The local content would be brought by more domains registered. They predicted a market growth in Kenya of $2Billion in digital advertising by the end of 5 years, with current advertising revenue per year in all media standing at $600Million. 5. The recent downtimes at the registry was queried, but Paul Musee assured members that the problem has been delt with by providing two redundant links to support the main link, and more links are being sort from TESPOK members. Any volunteers here?
Moses Kemibaro had a good summary on the AGM. Probably you can look at his blog.
Organisation and Attendance of the general AGM was good.
Kind Regards Mwendwa Kivuva 0722402248 Transworld Computer Channels
On 29/06/2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Walu,
Your absence was noticeable, the meeting went on well, most of the matters discussed were inhouse, notable topics were the progress on the local dispute resolution mechanism being established at Kenic to arbitrate on domain related disputes, we were also briefed on the KeNIC Strategic plan which is being implemented in phases and going by what was presented the future looks bright (at least the Financial report demonstrated this), google also did a very interesting presentation highlighting opportunities that the internet is likely to offer in the near future and the need for strategic partnerships (Kenic intends to work with registrars to make sure they hit a target of 50000 .Ke domains) , the organisers promised to put up all this information on their website , i am sure it is being compiled somewhere. And lest i forget we were taken through the new look KeNIC website whose aim is to improve how the TLDs clients interact with it. I looked at the Strategic Plan which seems great, i am still searching for their digital strategy which i hope is tucked somewhere in the website, as you can see, a lot of this were inhouse issues with brief comments on KeNICS role at ICANN. (Participation and Hosting number 37)
Best Regards
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
I missed the above AGM that took place last week? Anyone willing to give us updates/briefs on key highlights/what transpired or did not transpire?
Ave scanned their website www.kenic.or.ke but nothing uploaded yet...last minutes were for 2009, wonder where 2010 minutes are. Anyway, am specifically interested in.
a) what is the .KENIC position with regard to dot.africa? b) how does KENIC expect to be impacted by the creation of dot.africa? c) what is the current market structure/position between the tld dot.Ke and the secondary domains? 2yrs ago it was quite an issue.? d) anything else we should know?
walu.
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Further to this there is a story on P5 in today's Daily Nation on a web based disease alert system 'unveiled' by the MOPH. The system seems to be based on smart phones. Anyone with additional information on this? Victor -----Original Message----- From: Barrack Otieno [mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com] Sent: 29 June 2011 15:52 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities Many thanks Victor for your prompt response. Best Regards On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Victor Gathara <vgathara@vimak.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack,
I did attend the breakfast meeting and gave my view on the meeting in an earlier post (as did James Ratemo as I recall).
The meeting basically showcased Safaricoms mhealth platform hosted on the cloud (very much along the lines of Microsoft HealthVault and Google Health) as well as some interesting applications such as Dial a Doc, m-pedigree, Ciscos health presence, and Samsungs Dr Smart. There was an ehealth application demonstrated too though it would need customising. All interesting but no quick wins for public health. There wasns much technical discussion as the plenary was short and not so well attended.
The government dignitaries made the right noises about fast tracking ehealth and mhealth initiatives (the positive news was that the ehealth strategy is complete and is set for launch soon).
Safaricom did promise to continue the discussion online though I presume this hasnt taken off (or I am not in the loop).
Regarding Malaria I am particularly interested in what can be done to improve disease surveillance and data collection. What systems can be used to monitor how well interventions e.g nets, spraying are working. Any mobile applications out there?
Victor
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Thank you Dennis, would anyone who attended the breakfast meeting brief us on any tangible outcomes of the breakfast meeting?, on another note i just read an interesting Phrase from a book called Surgical Prayer by Tom Deuschle
' The Provision of Sound Medical services is key in the developement of any nation. the worlds Medical systems have failed whenever they have been driven by profit only, Without a consideration of the staff that work in the medical service arena, the population to be served and without ownership within the industry'
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Going back to this case, it seems that a Post Mortem would have revealed cause of death. While some say drug interaction may have been the cause, Gachagua did not indicate which drug the deceased took.
I have been reading a few documents on Malaria and the case described above is more associated with death from Malaria - does this mean the medicine failed to work? Kenya is also listed as a multi-drug resistant country.
As for malaria vaccine, a pal working at a KEMRI Malaria project in Kilifi tells me that the Malaria vaccine seems to be several years away. They say the Malaria parasite is yet to be documented and studied sufficiently hence not much is known about it. At the moment, KEMRI is studying resistance to the disease by looking at those who are rarely affected in epidemic areas.
Here is a recent experience where I was prescribed the powerful drugs for the wrong disease (misdiagnosis). Our health sector is already in a mess as all sorts of drugs are available over the counter while "hospitals" are busy prescribing the remainder in abandon. http://blog.denniskioko.com/2011/06/medicines-in-kenya-cure-or-poison. html
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Listers, FT has made my day. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f99ee180-8d27-11e0-815d-00144feab49a,s01=1.html#ax... Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:48:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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Daktari, This is a nice peace indeed. What is amazing is the coining of "Silicon Savannah" to denote Konza, am tempted to suggest that if possible the tag line be adopted. Let us keep the fire burning. Regards Sam ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: saguyo@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 6:58:29 PM Subject: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT Listers, FT has made my day. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f99ee180-8d27-11e0-815d-00144feab49a,s01=1.html#ax... Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:48:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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Bwana PS, At least this is positive reporting about Africa in general and Kenya in particular in the western press. We now must make it work and challenge India on outsourcing, and yes, I certainly agree with Sam, let's adopt the tagline, it seems to fit. *Kind regards,* * * *Nick WAMBUGU* *Chairman - itSMF Kenya www.itsmfea.co.ke* *"Training, Implementation and Maintenance of Benchmarks in IT Governance"* On 8 June 2011 08:17, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daktari,
This is a nice peace indeed. What is amazing is the coining of "Silicon Savannah" to denote Konza, am tempted to suggest that if possible the tag line be adopted.
Let us keep the fire burning.
Regards
Sam
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*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 6:58:29 PM *Subject:* [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT
Listers, FT has made my day.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f99ee180-8d27-11e0-815d-00144feab49a,s01=1.html#ax...
Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: bitange@jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 13:48:25 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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Just keep our names ... Nairobi, Konza I don't see Sillicon Moscow, Bangalore Valley etc :) On 6/8/11, Chairman itSMF Kenya <chair@itsmfea.co.ke> wrote:
Bwana PS,
At least this is positive reporting about Africa in general and Kenya in particular in the western press. We now must make it work and challenge India on outsourcing, and yes, I certainly agree with Sam, let's adopt the tagline, it seems to fit.
*Kind regards,* * * *Nick WAMBUGU* *Chairman - itSMF Kenya www.itsmfea.co.ke* *"Training, Implementation and Maintenance of Benchmarks in IT Governance"*
On 8 June 2011 08:17, Sam Aguyo <saguyo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daktari,
This is a nice peace indeed. What is amazing is the coining of "Silicon Savannah" to denote Konza, am tempted to suggest that if possible the tag line be adopted.
Let us keep the fire burning.
Regards
Sam
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Listers, FT has made my day.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f99ee180-8d27-11e0-815d-00144feab49a,s01=1.html#ax...
Ndemo.
Daktari,
The solution to this is readily available its called a smart card which if coupled with a cloud for storing our medical records would resolve this issue.
There are a number of initiatives out here looking at such a solution but we need to create an enabling environment such as data privacy and data protection laws to allow medical personnel to access medical records especially in the situation where the patient is comatose.
If the deceased had his medical records available online the doctors would have been able to tell whether he was allergy to any particular drugs and whether he was on any other medication.
Can we open the presentation to all developers out here who have a product to show case?
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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Robert, Research shows that many sudden deaths of seemingly healthy people are due to drug interaction. In advanced countries the first question the doctor asks is whether you are have any allergies to any medication. Unfortunately, this does not happen here.
Next week we shall be discussing with the MOH on the possibilities of starting a Digital Health Cloud Services. Basically, we want to have all medical records on the cloud. If for example you are taken ill at a conference in SA, you simply need your password and all of your medical records are aviled to the new doctor.
The service will cut cost for Xray material and any paper based records. I saw a demo at the Samsung expo and I think we can easily make it here. It will save not only many lives but our environment. Imagine how mush we shall save for patients who for example go to India only to start tests all over again.
The discussions as usual shall be open to all. We are looking for the venue.
Regards
Ndemo.
So, what is the solution? Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: "pamela@cardiacimplants.com" <pamela@cardiacimplants.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sun, 5 June, 2011 18:55:14 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Of Vision 2030 and Misplaced Priorities
John, sorry to learn about ur cousin, my intuition about what you describe gives me a horrible feeling this may have been a case of adverse drug reaction. It is a pity postmortem is not mandatory in this country, as there would have been evidence of celebral malaria being the cause of death.
Notwithdstanding this, what IBM & co have done in enabling wanainchi acess malaria therapy na mpango wa 'comfort' through IT is positive.
Pamela Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Kenya
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he he, it can be savannah plain
how about Nairobi, Kileleshwa, Bungoma, Butere Look, we dont work in savannah grasslands ... most companies that are on the forefront of private sector innovation (cellulant, virtualcity etc) are in just in Nairobi ... Am sure that brand Kenya would go further of all articles said innovation is coming out of Nairobi ... as opposed to this "Silicon Savannah" stuff Thanks On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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just to make sure we are on the same page, we talking about malili ict park, right, cause its in Malili
There is nothing in Malili right now ... Am talking about the desire to brand everything Kenya with some sillicon ... On 6/10/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
just to make sure we are on the same page, we talking about malili ict park, right, cause its in Malili
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of course that is wrong. As for there been nothing in Malili (wrong, KPLC and NYS are there!) I am reliably informed through an exclusive interview with Dr. Ndemo for CIO East Africa that there should be a contractor on ground by Dec and in 3 years we should have phase 1. Note that the Nairobi Urban Railway is also part of this project to provide access to the airport, also has 3 year timeline.
These wonderful stories are just that. Stories. I know Dr. Ndemo will start calling me unpatriotic and negative but I stand my ground. We are not America and we are not India and so attempting to replicate the same model is rather unimaginative. I believe we should focus our efforts with models that work here. Instead of introducing a Visa card that can be loaded via mpesa, push local developers to develop a secure API that allows for easy payment online via phone. Make the phone number the unique identifier e.t.c We don't want to be Bangalore. We want a Kenyan Identity cultivated here not by a western journalist. Making grand announcements and mentions in articles allover does not develop the tech scene. I am smelling a tech bubble. Lots of talk, very little on the ground.
Mark I can't agree more on an easy api to enable Kenyans to pay on the phone.... This would be a killer app On 6/10/11, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
These wonderful stories are just that. Stories. I know Dr. Ndemo will start calling me unpatriotic and negative but I stand my ground. We are not America and we are not India and so attempting to replicate the same model is rather unimaginative. I believe we should focus our efforts with models that work here. Instead of introducing a Visa card that can be loaded via mpesa, push local developers to develop a secure API that allows for easy payment online via phone. Make the phone number the unique identifier e.t.c
We don't want to be Bangalore. We want a Kenyan Identity cultivated here not by a western journalist.
Making grand announcements and mentions in articles allover does not develop the tech scene. I am smelling a tech bubble. Lots of talk, very little on the ground.
-- Sent from my mobile device
The local IT community need to work more closely and with collaboration, look at problems and lobby the government, because technology is not about programming and coding only or having web this and that or mobile this and that. It is addressing a national or global problem by enriching life to make it more efficient. Having said that IT people cannot work in isolation they need to work with Business Planners, Business Model Specialist, Product Managers and Marketers specialist,Investors,Value Chain Specialist, Lawyers etc.so ihub should also allow other non-IT people into the hub. I know there has been lots of debate on Investors and funding, if the funding from Bretton Woods and the government is not forthcoming how about people who have made their careers and riches through IT, if people who have made all their careers and riches in IT can not support others then who will? I know of many IT companies owned by people in this list who make between 24-75 million USD a year.e.g Craft Silicon has made 10 billion in the last 10 years, MJ, Seven Seas, East Africa Capital Partners etc have the resource and clout to start venture capital or act as angel investors. As insiders if they made a deliberate effort to support other young and upcoming innovators we can head somewhere. Silicon Valley was largely built by networks of people and companies whose interlocking relationships help to spawn new start-ups e.g. After selling Paypal for 1.5 billion USD to eBay, its founders and alumni have helped both financially and intellectually to start up numerous internet start-ups e.g. Yelp, Youtube, LinkedIn, Slide, Room9Entertainment, Spacex among others. So much that in October 17 2006 NY times run a story called It Pays to have Pals at Paypal. The government also has a very important role; they can create an enabling environment especially to protect the ideas through effective and efficient copy right laws and patenting system, creating subsidies for research etc the government can also give more business to local IT companies, and fundamentally the government need to streamline our educational systems so that we can have 16-25 year olds who are ready to go into innovation and venture into business. India is reaping from the decisions their government made in 1948 by setting up Business and Technology institutions in every major city. The government is making efforts through building the techno-parks etc techno-park is good but is it a real estate investment or an investment to spur ICT growth? As a-country we need to assess our place in the global IT value chain, we need to find out what we are good at and can do better than everyone else. China, Malaysia and Taiwan used their population to offer cheap labour, India used excess bandwidth to set-up call centers, America is good at marketing etc Having said that I think that the debates are healthy because it shows people are genuinely worried and are ready to take action. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark
I can't agree more on an easy api to enable Kenyans to pay on the phone....
This would be a killer app
On 6/10/11, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
These wonderful stories are just that. Stories. I know Dr. Ndemo will start calling me unpatriotic and negative but I stand my ground. We are not America and we are not India and so attempting to replicate the same model is rather unimaginative. I believe we should focus our efforts with models that work here. Instead of introducing a Visa card that can be loaded via mpesa, push local developers to develop a secure API that allows for easy payment online via phone. Make the phone number the unique identifier e.t.c
We don't want to be Bangalore. We want a Kenyan Identity cultivated here not by a western journalist.
Making grand announcements and mentions in articles allover does not develop the tech scene. I am smelling a tech bubble. Lots of talk, very little on the ground.
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I think that at this time, the park has already come far enough for us to backtrack on this, unless there is a radical government change and a new govt does not see any value in the park. Futhermore, by the time we changing government, the project should be 30% done, so stalling is a bit hard and would also result in law suits. The country by now should not be operating like our universities where a project comes to an abrupt end once the associated lecturer departs or is forced to depart.
Joseph, Private sector players have found a way to grow their businesses and there are success stories anywhere where the founders were focused and executed. 3 years ago, we said internet is a problem, at that time, people had setup 50+ seat call centers ... 2 years ago, the talk was capacity building, certification and how to prepare the natives. Now, everyone is talking about lack of access to capital... And I am seeing everyone become or want to become an incubator. Can we have a sitting as private sector players and chart the course Also.. I don't see Bretton Woods, worldbank etc coming to help... Thanks On 6/11/11, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> wrote:
The local IT community need to work more closely and with collaboration, look at problems and lobby the government, because technology is not about programming and coding only or having web this and that or mobile this and that. It is addressing a national or global problem by enriching life to make it more efficient. Having said that IT people cannot work in isolation they need to work with Business Planners, Business Model Specialist, Product Managers and Marketers specialist,Investors,Value Chain Specialist, Lawyers etc.so ihub should also allow other non-IT people into the hub.
I know there has been lots of debate on Investors and funding, if the funding from Bretton Woods and the government is not forthcoming how about people who have made their careers and riches through IT, if people who have made all their careers and riches in IT can not support others then who will? I know of many IT companies owned by people in this list who make between 24-75 million USD a year.e.g Craft Silicon has made 10 billion in the last 10 years, MJ, Seven Seas, East Africa Capital Partners etc have the resource and clout to start venture capital or act as angel investors. As insiders if they made a deliberate effort to support other young and upcoming innovators we can head somewhere. Silicon Valley was largely built by networks of people and companies whose interlocking relationships help to spawn new start-ups e.g. After selling Paypal for 1.5 billion USD to eBay, its founders and alumni have helped both financially and intellectually to start up numerous internet start-ups e.g. Yelp, Youtube, LinkedIn, Slide, Room9Entertainment, Spacex among others. So much that in October 17 2006 NY times run a story called It Pays to have Pals at Paypal.
The government also has a very important role; they can create an enabling environment especially to protect the ideas through effective and efficient copy right laws and patenting system, creating subsidies for research etc the government can also give more business to local IT companies, and fundamentally the government need to streamline our educational systems so that we can have 16-25 year olds who are ready to go into innovation and venture into business. India is reaping from the decisions their government made in 1948 by setting up Business and Technology institutions in every major city. The government is making efforts through building the techno-parks etc techno-park is good but is it a real estate investment or an investment to spur ICT growth? As a-country we need to assess our place in the global IT value chain, we need to find out what we are good at and can do better than everyone else. China, Malaysia and Taiwan used their population to offer cheap labour, India used excess bandwidth to set-up call centers, America is good at marketing etc
Having said that I think that the debates are healthy because it shows people are genuinely worried and are ready to take action.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark
I can't agree more on an easy api to enable Kenyans to pay on the phone....
This would be a killer app
On 6/10/11, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
These wonderful stories are just that. Stories. I know Dr. Ndemo will start calling me unpatriotic and negative but I stand my ground. We are not America and we are not India and so attempting to replicate the same model is rather unimaginative. I believe we should focus our efforts with models that work here. Instead of introducing a Visa card that can be loaded via mpesa, push local developers to develop a secure API that allows for easy payment online via phone. Make the phone number the unique identifier e.t.c
We don't want to be Bangalore. We want a Kenyan Identity cultivated here not by a western journalist.
Making grand announcements and mentions in articles allover does not develop the tech scene. I am smelling a tech bubble. Lots of talk, very little on the ground.
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Hi, We are getting lost in rhetoric, I would advice all of us to watch the following documentaries 1. Triumph of the Nerds: The Birth of accidental entrepreneurs 2. Google: behind the screen 3. Social Media 4. Google Documentary (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1508211417393454786#) 5. The Evolution of Facebook (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp5y5ifxfvU) 6. Search the web for many other documentaries This will give you an insight into how we can go from being a talk shop and baby cries and get down to doing some serious productive work. Without fear I will repeat what I commented previously "money follows great ideas; period". I also like a comment from a Google employee, in one of the documentaries, "Google is an extension of college" Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 19:48:06 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT Joseph, Private sector players have found a way to grow their businesses and there are success stories anywhere where the founders were focused and executed. 3 years ago, we said internet is a problem, at that time, people had setup 50+ seat call centers ... 2 years ago, the talk was capacity building, certification and how to prepare the natives. Now, everyone is talking about lack of access to capital... And I am seeing everyone become or want to become an incubator. Can we have a sitting as private sector players and chart the course Also.. I don't see Bretton Woods, worldbank etc coming to help... Thanks On 6/11/11, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com> wrote:
The local IT community need to work more closely and with collaboration, look at problems and lobby the government, because technology is not about programming and coding only or having web this and that or mobile this and that. It is addressing a national or global problem by enriching life to make it more efficient. Having said that IT people cannot work in isolation they need to work with Business Planners, Business Model Specialist, Product Managers and Marketers specialist,Investors,Value Chain Specialist, Lawyers etc.so ihub should also allow other non-IT people into the hub.
I know there has been lots of debate on Investors and funding, if the funding from Bretton Woods and the government is not forthcoming how about people who have made their careers and riches through IT, if people who have made all their careers and riches in IT can not support others then who will? I know of many IT companies owned by people in this list who make between 24-75 million USD a year.e.g Craft Silicon has made 10 billion in the last 10 years, MJ, Seven Seas, East Africa Capital Partners etc have the resource and clout to start venture capital or act as angel investors. As insiders if they made a deliberate effort to support other young and upcoming innovators we can head somewhere. Silicon Valley was largely built by networks of people and companies whose interlocking relationships help to spawn new start-ups e.g. After selling Paypal for 1.5 billion USD to eBay, its founders and alumni have helped both financially and intellectually to start up numerous internet start-ups e.g. Yelp, Youtube, LinkedIn, Slide, Room9Entertainment, Spacex among others. So much that in October 17 2006 NY times run a story called It Pays to have Pals at Paypal.
The government also has a very important role; they can create an enabling environment especially to protect the ideas through effective and efficient copy right laws and patenting system, creating subsidies for research etc the government can also give more business to local IT companies, and fundamentally the government need to streamline our educational systems so that we can have 16-25 year olds who are ready to go into innovation and venture into business. India is reaping from the decisions their government made in 1948 by setting up Business and Technology institutions in every major city. The government is making efforts through building the techno-parks etc techno-park is good but is it a real estate investment or an investment to spur ICT growth? As a-country we need to assess our place in the global IT value chain, we need to find out what we are good at and can do better than everyone else. China, Malaysia and Taiwan used their population to offer cheap labour, India used excess bandwidth to set-up call centers, America is good at marketing etc
Having said that I think that the debates are healthy because it shows people are genuinely worried and are ready to take action.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark
I can't agree more on an easy api to enable Kenyans to pay on the phone....
This would be a killer app
On 6/10/11, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
These wonderful stories are just that. Stories. I know Dr. Ndemo will start calling me unpatriotic and negative but I stand my ground. We are not America and we are not India and so attempting to replicate the same model is rather unimaginative. I believe we should focus our efforts with models that work here. Instead of introducing a Visa card that can be loaded via mpesa, push local developers to develop a secure API that allows for easy payment online via phone. Make the phone number the unique identifier e.t.c
We don't want to be Bangalore. We want a Kenyan Identity cultivated here not by a western journalist.
Making grand announcements and mentions in articles allover does not develop the tech scene. I am smelling a tech bubble. Lots of talk, very little on the ground.
-- Sent from my mobile device
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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
This will give you an insight into how we can go from being a talk shop and baby cries and get down to doing some serious productive work.
Without fear I will repeat what I commented previously "money follows great ideas; period". I also like a comment from a Google employee, in one of the documentaries, "Google is an extension of college"
What's the first step? -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 720 406 093 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ |
Hi The first step is to have a passion for what you want to do, then identify a problem that needs solving and solve it all for the fun and passion of it not the money. Mariga, Ronaldo and the rest of the ilk first played soccer for the fun and passion of the game the scouts, enforcements and money then followed. Regards PS. I was recently reminded that once you have rent to pay your ability to do anything new diminishes exponentially and once the kids come along forget about coming up with any radical, industry changing application or business concept. If the idea was not incubated when you where in high school or campus then join the large band of IT vendors as the other train has left. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 13 June, 2011 9:01:18 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: This will give you an insight into how we can go from being a talk shop and baby cries and get down to doing some serious productive work.
Without fear I will repeat what I commented previously "money follows great ideas; period". I also like a comment from a Google employee, in one of the documentaries, "Google is an extension of college"
What's the first step? -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 720 406 093 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com| Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/|
Hey, Just thinking aloud, that perhaps the first most important step, is to dream, dream really BIG. Then the import of it will not just be to have a passion for an idea hijacked from elsewhere, but to birth and own, and passionately run with it. And the rest, as they say, will be in the annals of history... Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:27 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT Hi The first step is to have a passion for what you want to do, then identify a problem that needs solving and solve it all for the fun and passion of it not the money. Mariga, Ronaldo and the rest of the ilk first played soccer for the fun and passion of the game the scouts, enforcements and money then followed. Regards PS. I was recently reminded that once you have rent to pay your ability to do anything new diminishes exponentially and once the kids come along forget about coming up with any radical, industry changing application or business concept. If the idea was not incubated when you where in high school or campus then join the large band of IT vendors as the other train has left. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 13 June, 2011 9:01:18 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: This will give you an insight into how we can go from being a talk shop and baby cries and get down to doing some serious productive work. Without fear I will repeat what I commented previously "money follows great ideas; period". I also like a comment from a Google employee, in one of the documentaries, "Google is an extension of college" What's the first step? -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 720 406 093 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ |
Listers, The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena on the 16th morning starting at the 7am. The sponsor has graciously accepted to have at list 10 of you. Please let us have confirmations on the list. They will respond to you directly. I will not involve myself with the details of this invite. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:20:46 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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Confirmed. Will attend. On Jun 14, 2011 5:03 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: the 16th morning starting at the 7am. The sponsor has graciously accepted to have at list 10 of you.
Please let us have confirmations on the list. They will respond to you
directly. I will not involve myself with the details of this invite.
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Confirmed, I will attend ----- Original Message ---- From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: bosirelk@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, June 14, 2011 5:00:59 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mhealth and medical cloud services Listers, The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena on the 16th morning starting at the 7am. The sponsor has graciously accepted to have at list 10 of you. Please let us have confirmations on the list. They will respond to you directly. I will not involve myself with the details of this invite. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:20:46 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bosirelk%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I would like to attend. Please confirm. On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Lois Bosire <bosirelk@yahoo.com> wrote:
Confirmed, I will attend
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Listers, The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena on the 16th morning starting at the 7am. The sponsor has graciously accepted to have at list 10 of you.
Please let us have confirmations on the list. They will respond to you directly. I will not involve myself with the details of this invite.
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I would like to attend. Thanks Suraj Shah Corporate Affairs Manager Intel On 6/14/11 5:00 AM, "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena on the 16th morning starting at the 7am. The sponsor has graciously accepted to have at list 10 of you.
Please let us have confirmations on the list. They will respond to you directly. I will not involve myself with the details of this invite.
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confirmed, will attend Andrew On Tuesday, 14 June 2011, Suraj Shah <suraj@surajshah.co.ke> wrote:
I would like to attend. Thanks
Suraj Shah Corporate Affairs Manager Intel
On 6/14/11 5:00 AM, "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena on the 16th morning starting at the 7am. The sponsor has graciously accepted to have at list 10 of you.
Please let us have confirmations on the list. They will respond to you directly. I will not involve myself with the details of this invite.
Ndemo.
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Am somewhere 15km from Embu, some Masinga Dam resort (the provincial hq of Eastern Province). And there is no internet to talk about here! The ping test to google.com gives a return trip of 60,000ms compared to in Nairobi of 300ms. In layman terms access to the Net, 15km from Embu is 200times slower than in Nairobi. This is a classic example of the internal digital divide between the urban and the rural environments. At a policy level, the Universal Access Policy and regualtions were supposed to address this imbalance. How far did this (not) go? Am ofcourse on Safcom Modem, the others Airtel, Yu produce the same unreliability. And dont ask me about Telkom Orange...because their internet doesnt seem to feature in these parts of the world ;-) walu. send from my transmission "tree" after 1hr of trying.
@walu I have been shouting about this for years. But rather than expecting the big companies to do it, why don't we create the policy environment for community owned micro- ISPs? Create a mesh network that can actually bring increased income to the people who use it? As I always have said, Nairobi is not ALL of Kenya and we are leaving our villages behind. On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Am somewhere 15km from Embu, some Masinga Dam resort (the provincial hq of Eastern Province). And there is no internet to talk about here! The ping test to google.com gives a return trip of 60,000ms compared to in Nairobi of 300ms. In layman terms access to the Net, 15km from Embu is 200times slower than in Nairobi.
This is a classic example of the internal digital divide between the urban and the rural environments. At a policy level, the Universal Access Policy and regualtions were supposed to address this imbalance. How far did this (not) go?
Am ofcourse on Safcom Modem, the others Airtel, Yu produce the same unreliability. And dont ask me about Telkom Orange...because their internet doesnt seem to feature in these parts of the world ;-)
walu. send from my transmission "tree" after 1hr of trying.
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On 6/14/11, Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:
@walu I have been shouting about this for years.
But rather than expecting the big companies to do it, why don't we create the policy environment for community owned micro- ISPs? Create a mesh network that can actually bring increased income to the people who use it? As I always have said, Nairobi is not ALL of Kenya and we are leaving our villages behind.
Spot on madame! Either we have a USF and accompanying regs, or we let people do bush-networking on a small scale, using the Village Telco/OpenBTS/AfriMesh/whatever they choose. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
I vote for bushnetworking On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/14/11, Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:
@walu I have been shouting about this for years.
But rather than expecting the big companies to do it, why don't we create the policy environment for community owned micro- ISPs? Create a mesh network that can actually bring increased income to the people who use it? As I always have said, Nairobi is not ALL of Kenya and we are leaving our villages behind.
Spot on madame!
Either we have a USF and accompanying regs, or we let people do bush-networking on a small scale, using the Village Telco/OpenBTS/AfriMesh/whatever they choose.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Abt 2 years ago CCK tendered for a Universal Access study and I believe it covered some of the issues like having a GIS driven system to assess all sorts of infrastructure (elec, post offices, GSM, fixed networks, fibre etc). Also to define what parameters (and which organ) would be used to disurse the funds. Did this study take off? Anyone on the list from CCK who can enlighten us? On 14/06/2011, warigia bowman <warigia@aucegypt.edu> wrote:
I vote for bushnetworking
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/14/11, Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:
@walu I have been shouting about this for years.
But rather than expecting the big companies to do it, why don't we create the policy environment for community owned micro- ISPs? Create a mesh network that can actually bring increased income to the people who use it? As I always have said, Nairobi is not ALL of Kenya and we are leaving our villages behind.
Spot on madame!
Either we have a USF and accompanying regs, or we let people do bush-networking on a small scale, using the Village Telco/OpenBTS/AfriMesh/whatever they choose.
-- Cheers,
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I think the study was in 2004 On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Abt 2 years ago CCK tendered for a Universal Access study and I believe it covered some of the issues like having a GIS driven system to assess all sorts of infrastructure (elec, post offices, GSM, fixed networks, fibre etc). Also to define what parameters (and which organ) would be used to disurse the funds.
Did this study take off? Anyone on the list from CCK who can enlighten us?
On 14/06/2011, warigia bowman <warigia@aucegypt.edu> wrote:
I vote for bushnetworking
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/14/11, Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:
@walu I have been shouting about this for years.
But rather than expecting the big companies to do it, why don't we create the policy environment for community owned micro- ISPs? Create a mesh network that can actually bring increased income to the people who use it? As I always have said, Nairobi is not ALL of Kenya and we are leaving our villages behind.
Spot on madame!
Either we have a USF and accompanying regs, or we let people do bush-networking on a small scale, using the Village Telco/OpenBTS/AfriMesh/whatever they choose.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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No - it was 2009 - pls see - http://www.cck.go.ke/links/tenders/2009/downloads/CCK-RFP-06-2009-2010.pdf On 15/06/2011, warigia bowman <warigia@aucegypt.edu> wrote:
I think the study was in 2004
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Abt 2 years ago CCK tendered for a Universal Access study and I believe it covered some of the issues like having a GIS driven system to assess all sorts of infrastructure (elec, post offices, GSM, fixed networks, fibre etc). Also to define what parameters (and which organ) would be used to disurse the funds.
Did this study take off? Anyone on the list from CCK who can enlighten us?
On 14/06/2011, warigia bowman <warigia@aucegypt.edu> wrote:
I vote for bushnetworking
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/14/11, Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:
@walu I have been shouting about this for years.
But rather than expecting the big companies to do it, why don't we create the policy environment for community owned micro- ISPs? Create a mesh network that can actually bring increased income to the people who use it? As I always have said, Nairobi is not ALL of Kenya and we are leaving our villages behind.
Spot on madame!
Either we have a USF and accompanying regs, or we let people do bush-networking on a small scale, using the Village Telco/OpenBTS/AfriMesh/whatever they choose.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Thanks francis. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
No - it was 2009 - pls see - http://www.cck.go.ke/links/tenders/2009/downloads/CCK-RFP-06-2009-2010.pdf
I think the study was in 2004
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Abt 2 years ago CCK tendered for a Universal Access study and I believe it covered some of the issues like having a GIS driven system to assess all sorts of infrastructure (elec, post offices, GSM, fixed networks, fibre etc). Also to define what parameters (and which organ) would be used to disurse the funds.
Did this study take off? Anyone on the list from CCK who can enlighten us?
On 14/06/2011, warigia bowman <warigia@aucegypt.edu> wrote:
I vote for bushnetworking
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/14/11, Crystal Watley Kigoni <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:
@walu I have been shouting about this for years.
But rather than expecting the big companies to do it, why don't we create the policy environment for community owned micro- ISPs? Create a mesh network that can actually bring increased income to the people who use it? As I always have said, Nairobi is not ALL of Kenya and we are leaving our villages behind.
Spot on madame!
Either we have a USF and accompanying regs, or we let people do bush-networking on a small scale, using the Village Telco/OpenBTS/AfriMesh/whatever they choose.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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do
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Thanks walu. This is really important information. I will be here in july, and want to go look at many of the areas of kenya and see the digital villages. we can also use GIS to make a map of non-covered areas. Yours, Rigia On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Am somewhere 15km from Embu, some Masinga Dam resort (the provincial hq of Eastern Province). And there is no internet to talk about here! The ping test to google.com gives a return trip of 60,000ms compared to in Nairobi of 300ms. In layman terms access to the Net, 15km from Embu is 200times slower than in Nairobi.
This is a classic example of the internal digital divide between the urban and the rural environments. At a policy level, the Universal Access Policy and regualtions were supposed to address this imbalance. How far did this (not) go?
Am ofcourse on Safcom Modem, the others Airtel, Yu produce the same unreliability. And dont ask me about Telkom Orange...because their internet doesnt seem to feature in these parts of the world ;-)
walu. send from my transmission "tree" after 1hr of trying.
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There is an ongoing project by the guys over at skunkworks who have downloaded an app to their phones which assist in mapping signal strengths of various networks as they move around. see http://opensignalmaps.com/
impresive On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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Thanks walu. This is really important information. I will be here in july, and want to go look at many of the areas of kenya and see the digital villages. we can also use GIS to make a map of non-covered areas. Yours, Rigia On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Am somewhere 15km from Embu, some Masinga Dam resort (the provincial hq of Eastern Province). And there is no internet to talk about here! The ping test to google.com gives a return trip of 60,000ms compared to in Nairobi of 300ms. In layman terms access to the Net, 15km from Embu is 200times slower than in Nairobi.
This is a classic example of the internal digital divide between the urban and the rural environments. At a policy level, the Universal Access Policy and regualtions were supposed to address this imbalance. How far did this (not) go?
Am ofcourse on Safcom Modem, the others Airtel, Yu produce the same unreliability. And dont ask me about Telkom Orange...because their internet doesnt seem to feature in these parts of the world ;-)
walu. send from my transmission "tree" after 1hr of trying.
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A few months ago Orange was yet to launch Orange GSM in Yatta/Mwingi Areas. So that may be the cause though Orange CDMA is operational in the same areas. Have not checked the situation recently
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:26, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Am somewhere 15km from Embu, some Masinga Dam resort (the provincial hq of Eastern Province). And there is no internet to talk about here! The ping test to google.com gives a return trip of 60,000ms compared to in Nairobi of 300ms. In layman terms access to the Net, 15km from Embu is 200times slower than in Nairobi.
This is a classic example of the internal digital divide between the urban and the rural environments. At a policy level, the Universal Access Policy and regualtions were supposed to address this imbalance. How far did this (not) go?
Am ofcourse on Safcom Modem, the others Airtel, Yu produce the same unreliability. And dont ask me about Telkom Orange...because their internet doesnt seem to feature in these parts of the world ;-)
walu. send from my transmission "tree" after 1hr of trying.
Universal Access Policy is a boardroom gimmick. Period. All providers "think" that total coverage of Nairobi and it's environs (most of them are not yet covered) equates to UAP. No one is able to push them providers towards this UAP. Dr. Ndemo - you are free to crucify me on that:) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
I was in Machakos the other day and Vihiga some two months ago, and I can tell the internet in these areasbehaves as though you need to stand on some point; moving a step or shaking a bit, means you're off the grid. When I hear Safaricom, and soon Airtel talking about 3G countrywide, I wonder whether Nairobi and Mombasa are what they consider Kenya. Maybe as Crystal has suggested creating micro-ISPs would work alright. On 14/06/2011, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:26, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Am somewhere 15km from Embu, some Masinga Dam resort (the provincial hq of Eastern Province). And there is no internet to talk about here! The ping test to google.com gives a return trip of 60,000ms compared to in Nairobi of 300ms. In layman terms access to the Net, 15km from Embu is 200times slower than in Nairobi.
This is a classic example of the internal digital divide between the urban and the rural environments. At a policy level, the Universal Access Policy and regualtions were supposed to address this imbalance. How far did this (not) go?
Am ofcourse on Safcom Modem, the others Airtel, Yu produce the same unreliability. And dont ask me about Telkom Orange...because their internet doesnt seem to feature in these parts of the world ;-)
walu. send from my transmission "tree" after 1hr of trying.
Universal Access Policy is a boardroom gimmick. Period.
All providers "think" that total coverage of Nairobi and it's environs (most of them are not yet covered) equates to UAP. No one is able to push them providers towards this UAP.
Dr. Ndemo - you are free to crucify me on that:)
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
There is the planned National Broadband Network on LTE that seeks to address amongst other challenges the rural coverage of Broadband. This may be achieveable to various extends depending on what frequency its on.
I would like to attend...please let the one involved in organizing confirm On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:00 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena on the 16th morning starting at the 7am. The sponsor has graciously accepted to have at list 10 of you.
Please let us have confirmations on the list. They will respond to you directly. I will not involve myself with the details of this invite.
Ndemo.
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Will attend, i hope the list has not been exhausted. On 6/14/11, james ratemo <jratemo@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to attend...please let the one involved in organizing confirm
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:00 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena on the 16th morning starting at the 7am. The sponsor has graciously accepted to have at list 10 of you.
Please let us have confirmations on the list. They will respond to you directly. I will not involve myself with the details of this invite.
Ndemo.
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I'd have wished to attend but other commitments will not give me a chance. Howevwr, for those who will make it, share with the majority what you got from this breakfast meeting. Thanks On 14/06/2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Will attend, i hope the list has not been exhausted.
On 6/14/11, james ratemo <jratemo@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to attend...please let the one involved in organizing confirm
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:00 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena on the 16th morning starting at the 7am. The sponsor has graciously accepted to have at list 10 of you.
Please let us have confirmations on the list. They will respond to you directly. I will not involve myself with the details of this invite.
Ndemo.
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I will like to attend. Who is organizing this event? Louisa CIO East Africa From: kictanet-bounces+louisa.kadzo=cio.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+louisa.kadzo=cio.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of james ratemo Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:49 AM To: louisa.kadzo@cio.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mhealth and medical cloud services I would like to attend...please let the one involved in organizing confirm On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:00 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: Listers, The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena on the 16th morning starting at the 7am. The sponsor has graciously accepted to have at list 10 of you. Please let us have confirmations on the list. They will respond to you directly. I will not involve myself with the details of this invite. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:20:46 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jratemo%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- James Ratemo Online Sub-editor/ICT reporter Nation Media Group, P.O Box 409010-00100, Nairobi Cell Phone: 0724960649 OR 0731960649 Email: jratemo@ke.nationmedia.com <mailto:Emaili-jratemo@standardmedia.co.ke> or ratemoj@hotmail.com <mailto:jamrats2001@yahoo.com> Website:www.jamesratemo.wordpress.com <http://www.ictcradle.com/> . Twitter accounts: http://twitter.com/kenyacurrent or http://twitter.com/jamesratemo Skype account:ratemoj My facebook account: http://www.facebook.com/Rats.the.menace Who is rich? He that is content. Who is that? No one.
I would like to attend if there is still an available slot Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 14 June, 2011 5:00:59 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mhealth and medical cloud services Listers, The breakfast meeting on medical cloud services will be at the Serena on the 16th morning starting at the 7am. The sponsor has graciously accepted to have at list 10 of you. Please let us have confirmations on the list. They will respond to you directly. I will not involve myself with the details of this invite. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:20:46 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Listers, My mistake on the date of this event. Veneue is the same tomorrow the 15th of June and not the 16th. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:20:46 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Well I still confirm my attendance despite change of date On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:29 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Listers, My mistake on the date of this event. Veneue is the same tomorrow the 15th of June and not the 16th.
Regards
Ndemo.
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-- James Ratemo Online Sub-editor/ICT reporter Nation Media Group, P.O Box 409010-00100, Nairobi Cell Phone: 0724960649 OR 0731960649 Email: jratemo@ke.nationmedia.com <Emaili-jratemo@standardmedia.co.ke> or ratemoj@hotmail.com <jamrats2001@yahoo.com> Website:www.jamesratemo.wordpress.com <http://www.ictcradle.com/>. Twitter accounts: http://twitter.com/kenyacurrent or http://twitter.com/jamesratemo Skype account:ratemoj My facebook account: http://www.facebook.com/Rats.the.menace Who is rich? He that is content. Who is that? No one.
I would like to attend this if still open Victor -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+vgathara=vimak.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: 14 June 2011 08:29 To: vgathara@vimak.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] mhealth breakfast Listers, My mistake on the date of this event. Veneue is the same tomorrow the 15th of June and not the 16th. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:20:46 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/vgathara%40vimak.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Kindly Enlist me as one of the attendees. Tomorrow morning at the Serena's cloud services meeting. Regards Pamela M. B. -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+pamela=cardiacimplants.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:29 AM To: pamela@cardiacimplants.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] mhealth breakfast Listers, My mistake on the date of this event. Veneue is the same tomorrow the 15th of June and not the 16th. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:20:46 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pamela%40cardiacimplant s.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I must challenge you there Robert. What do rent and kids have to do with creativity, drive and passion? Jonathan Ive, the principal designer of the iMac, titanium and aluminum PowerBook G4, MacBook, unibody MacBook Pro, iPod, iPhone, and iPad has a wife and two kids. Twins. Doesn't seem to have slowed him down any. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:26 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi The first step is to have a passion for what you want to do, then identify
a problem that needs solving and solve it all for the fun and passion of it not the money.
Mariga, Ronaldo and the rest of the ilk first played soccer for the fun and passion of the game the scouts, enforcements and money then followed. Regards PS. I was recently reminded that once you have rent to pay your ability to do anything new diminishes exponentially and once the kids come along forget about coming up with any radical, industry changing application or business concept. If the idea was not incubated when you where in high school or campus then join the large band of IT vendors as the other train has left.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 13 June, 2011 9:01:18 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
This will give you an insight into how we can go from being a talk shop
and baby cries and get down to doing some serious productive work.
Without fear I will repeat what I commented previously "money follows great ideas; period". I also like a comment from a Google employee, in one of the documentaries, "Google is an extension of college"
What's the first step?
-- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
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Hi, Find out when he envisioned the products and features then relate it to the time when he acquired the fixed expenses in his life. Please follow the trail of all those who have come up with current industry changing technologies and you will agree with me that they did the perspiration stage mostly when in campus. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 14 June, 2011 9:23:58 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT I must challenge you there Robert. What do rent and kids have to do with creativity, drive and passion? Jonathan Ive, the principal designer of the iMac, titanium and aluminum PowerBook G4, MacBook, unibody MacBook Pro, iPod, iPhone, and iPad has a wife and two kids. Twins. Doesn't seem to have slowed him down any. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:26 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi The first step is to have a passion for what you want to do, then identify a problem that needs solving and solve it all for the fun and passion of it not the money. Mariga, Ronaldo and the rest of the ilk first played soccer for the fun and passion of the game the scouts, enforcements and money then followed. Regards PS. I was recently reminded that once you have rent to pay your ability to do anything new diminishes exponentially and once the kids come along forget about coming up with any radical, industry changing application or business concept. If the idea was not incubated when you where in high school or campus then join the large band of IT vendors as the other train has left.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
________________________________ From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 13 June, 2011 9:01:18 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's "Silicon Savannah" to challenge India on IT
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:29 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
This will give you an insight into how we can go from being a talk shop and baby cries and get down to doing some serious productive work. Without fear I will repeat what I commented previously "money follows great ideas; period". I also like a comment from a Google employee, in one of the documentaries, "Google is an extension of college"
What's the first step?
-- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
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Dennis That's my point exactly, why take work and innovations we are doing right now and hang them on a technology park that will go live in 3 years ? Also, what are the chances of Malili happening if Dr Ndemo is a senator or a governor (a campaign I would volunteer for) Thanks On 6/10/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
of course that is wrong.
As for there been nothing in Malili (wrong, KPLC and NYS are there!) I am reliably informed through an exclusive interview with Dr. Ndemo for CIO East Africa that there should be a contractor on ground by Dec and in 3 years we should have phase 1.
Note that the Nairobi Urban Railway is also part of this project to provide access to the airport, also has 3 year timeline.
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Crystal Watley Kigoni -
Dennis Kioko -
dennis kipruto -
Dorcas Muthoni -
Francis Hook -
Gakiria -
Harry Delano -
James Kariuki -
james ratemo -
John Gachagua -
Joseph McDonald -
Josiah Mugambi -
Lois Bosire -
lordmwesh -
Louisa Kadzo -
Mark Mwangi -
McTim -
Musya Michael -
Odhiambo Washington -
Pamela -
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Phares Kariuki -
Rad! -
robert yawe -
Sam Aguyo -
Sean Moroney -
Solomon Mburu Kamau -
Suraj Shah -
Victor Gathara -
Walubengo J -
warigia bowman