Kenya IGF on line Discussions Day 1: International Telecommunications Regulations (ITR's)
Listers, International Telecommunication regulations are general principles related to international telecommunication services and its transport means. The purpose and Scope includes among other things: - Interconnection and interoperability of telecommunication facilities. - Giving precedence for the *Radio Regulations* in case of contradiction. - Allowing, within its framework, mutual agreements between countries. - To set primary rules for accounting and settlements between members. The ITR treaty was adopted in the *World Administrative Telegraph and Telephone* *Conference* (WATTC) held in Melbourne, 1988. It however came into force on July 1 1990, since then no updates have been made to the ITR provisions which leads to the following question: 1. As countries prepare for the World Congress on International Telecommunications to be held in Dubai in December 2012 ( http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/overview.aspx) What should Kenya's priorities be? 2. Should Kenya make its stand as a country or should we bargain through the Africa Telecommunications Union as per Dr. Ndemos proposal during a discussion on the list what are the implications of taking a stand as a country or as a regional block ? The floor is open -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
Listers I believe we should start advocating for an updated global regulatory environment. As one lister mentioned are ITRs even necessary in this brave new world? The fact that it takes so long within the ITU member states to make even a slight change in language for anything involving treaties that affect member states is caution enough - 22 years since the last update!! Let's look at the environment now and then. 1. National Telecomms companies are either defunct or moribund replaced ( or in some cases swallowed) by all intents and purposes by large dominant Multi-nationals or regional giants. Safaricom (Vodafone), Orange (France Telecom), Airtel (Bharti) and yu (Essar) in Kenya are all controlled by these. So my humble view is that the only point of discussion for us is from a user and regulatory perspective. In this I believe we need to ensure a level playing field for all players and as much as possible retain some sort of Net Neutrality. 2. Is this achievable through the ATU? The fact that the only time this was mentioned was yesterday by Daktari Ndemo and that the CCK is still nil by mouth on this is an answer in itself. How do we participate at the ATU. Does this forum have any mandate on this? What is the role of TESPOK? KITOS? Even if we do go the ATU way we must have a plan B to move our Agenda forward. Do we know if other African countries are even discussing this? If so what forums are there to have a meeting of minds? A casual look at the ATU site makes zero reference to this issue of ITRs, internet governance and freedom. Further it looks like their calendar is full for the remainder of the year and into the next year. Being realistic what chances do we have of a joint position across Africa before December's Dubai meeting? Any lurkers out there from the rest of Africa to join in and give us your perspective? Let's start with home. What is the position of the various organizations? TESPOK? KeNIC? Computer Society? CCK? Regards Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
International Telecommunication regulations are general principles related to international telecommunication services and its transport means.
The purpose and Scope includes among other things:
Interconnection and interoperability of telecommunication facilities. Giving precedence for the Radio Regulations in case of contradiction. Allowing, within its framework, mutual agreements between countries. To set primary rules for accounting and settlements between members. The ITR treaty was adopted in the World Administrative Telegraph and Telephone Conference (WATTC) held in Melbourne, 1988. It however came into force on July 1
1990, since then no updates have been made to the ITR provisions which leads to the following question:
As countries prepare for the World Congress on International Telecommunications to be held in Dubai in December 2012 (http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/overview.aspx) What should Kenya's priorities be? Should Kenya make its stand as a country or should we bargain through the Africa Telecommunications Union as per Dr. Ndemos proposal during a discussion on the list what are the implications of taking a stand as a country or as a regional block ? The floor is open
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Ali, You raise pertinent issues, i had an opportunity to participate in the ATU meeting held in Ougadougou from 5th - 7th March 2012 whose theme was Internet Infrastructure for an African Digital Economy, i recall Mr. Abosse Akue Kpakpo a member of the ITU Study group three making a passionate appeal to African countries to unite and forge a common front in the forthcoming WCIT meeting in Dubai a proposal similar to the one put forth by Dr. Ndemo. His major concern were Interconnection tarrifs which were heavily skewed in favour of european telcos, that said back home we have seen cases in which network operators play around with tarrifs like bait, we have seen endless fights between the operators on Interneconnection, the question is who should take lead and how can the common mwanainchi like you and i participate in the process? On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
I believe we should start advocating for an updated global regulatory environment. As one lister mentioned are ITRs even necessary in this brave new world? The fact that it takes so long within the ITU member states to make even a slight change in language for anything involving treaties that affect member states is caution enough - 22 years since the last update!!
Let's look at the environment now and then.
1. National Telecomms companies are either defunct or moribund replaced ( or in some cases swallowed) by all intents and purposes by large dominant Multi-nationals or regional giants. Safaricom (Vodafone), Orange (France Telecom), Airtel (Bharti) and yu (Essar) in Kenya are all controlled by these. So my humble view is that the only point of discussion for us is from a user and regulatory perspective. In this I believe we need to ensure a level playing field for all players and as much as possible retain some sort of Net Neutrality.
2. Is this achievable through the ATU? The fact that the only time this was mentioned was yesterday by Daktari Ndemo and that the CCK is still nil by mouth on this is an answer in itself. How do we participate at the ATU. Does this forum have any mandate on this? What is the role of TESPOK? KITOS? Even if we do go the ATU way we must have a plan B to move our Agenda forward. Do we know if other African countries are even discussing this? If so what forums are there to have a meeting of minds?
A casual look at the ATU site makes zero reference to this issue of ITRs, internet governance and freedom. Further it looks like their calendar is full for the remainder of the year and into the next year. Being realistic what chances do we have of a joint position across Africa before December's Dubai meeting? Any lurkers out there from the rest of Africa to join in and give us your perspective?
Let's start with home. What is the position of the various organizations? TESPOK? KeNIC? Computer Society? CCK?
Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
International Telecommunication regulations are general principles related to international telecommunication services and its transport means.
The purpose and Scope includes among other things:
- Interconnection and interoperability of telecommunication facilities. - Giving precedence for the *Radio Regulations* in case of contradiction. - Allowing, within its framework, mutual agreements between countries. - To set primary rules for accounting and settlements between members.
The ITR treaty was adopted in the *World Administrative Telegraph and Telephone* *Conference* (WATTC) held in Melbourne, 1988. It however came into force on July 1
1990, since then no updates have been made to the ITR provisions which leads to the following question:
1. As countries prepare for the World Congress on International Telecommunications to be held in Dubai in December 2012 ( http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/overview.aspx) What should Kenya's priorities be? 2. Should Kenya make its stand as a country or should we bargain through the Africa Telecommunications Union as per Dr. Ndemos proposal during a discussion on the list what are the implications of taking a stand as a country or as a regional block ?
The floor is open
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Thank you Barrack. I wonder what happened to Mr. Kpakpo's proposal? Was it taken up by ATU? If so how can we link in on that? Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali,
You raise pertinent issues, i had an opportunity to participate in the ATU meeting held in Ougadougou from 5th - 7th March 2012 whose theme was Internet Infrastructure for an African Digital Economy, i recall Mr. Abosse Akue Kpakpo a member of the ITU Study group three making a passionate appeal to African countries to unite and forge a common front in the forthcoming WCIT meeting in Dubai a proposal similar to the one put forth by Dr. Ndemo. His major concern were Interconnection tarrifs which were heavily skewed in favour of european telcos, that said back home we have seen cases in which network operators play around with tarrifs like bait, we have seen endless fights between the operators on Interneconnection, the question is who should take lead and how can the common mwanainchi like you and i participate in the process?
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Listers
I believe we should start advocating for an updated global regulatory environment. As one lister mentioned are ITRs even necessary in this brave new world? The fact that it takes so long within the ITU member states to make even a slight change in language for anything involving treaties that affect member states is caution enough - 22 years since the last update!!
Let's look at the environment now and then.
1. National Telecomms companies are either defunct or moribund replaced ( or in some cases swallowed) by all intents and purposes by large dominant Multi-nationals or regional giants. Safaricom (Vodafone), Orange (France Telecom), Airtel (Bharti) and yu (Essar) in Kenya are all controlled by these. So my humble view is that the only point of discussion for us is from a user and regulatory perspective. In this I believe we need to ensure a level playing field for all players and as much as possible retain some sort of Net Neutrality.
2. Is this achievable through the ATU? The fact that the only time this was mentioned was yesterday by Daktari Ndemo and that the CCK is still nil by mouth on this is an answer in itself. How do we participate at the ATU. Does this forum have any mandate on this? What is the role of TESPOK? KITOS? Even if we do go the ATU way we must have a plan B to move our Agenda forward. Do we know if other African countries are even discussing this? If so what forums are there to have a meeting of minds?
A casual look at the ATU site makes zero reference to this issue of ITRs, internet governance and freedom. Further it looks like their calendar is full for the remainder of the year and into the next year. Being realistic what chances do we have of a joint position across Africa before December's Dubai meeting? Any lurkers out there from the rest of Africa to join in and give us your perspective?
Let's start with home. What is the position of the various organizations? TESPOK? KeNIC? Computer Society? CCK?
Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
International Telecommunication regulations are general principles related to international telecommunication services and its transport means.
The purpose and Scope includes among other things:
Interconnection and interoperability of telecommunication facilities. Giving precedence for the Radio Regulations in case of contradiction. Allowing, within its framework, mutual agreements between countries. To set primary rules for accounting and settlements between members. The ITR treaty was adopted in the World Administrative Telegraph and Telephone Conference (WATTC) held in Melbourne, 1988. It however came into force on July 1
1990, since then no updates have been made to the ITR provisions which leads to the following question:
As countries prepare for the World Congress on International Telecommunications to be held in Dubai in December 2012 (http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/overview.aspx) What should Kenya's priorities be? Should Kenya make its stand as a country or should we bargain through the Africa Telecommunications Union as per Dr. Ndemos proposal during a discussion on the list what are the implications of taking a stand as a country or as a regional block ? The floor is open
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Ali, Listers Attached please find a report on what was resolved in Ougadougou. Best Regards On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Thank you Barrack. I wonder what happened to Mr. Kpakpo's proposal? Was it taken up by ATU? If so how can we link in on that?
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali,
You raise pertinent issues, i had an opportunity to participate in the ATU meeting held in Ougadougou from 5th - 7th March 2012 whose theme was Internet Infrastructure for an African Digital Economy, i recall Mr. Abosse Akue Kpakpo a member of the ITU Study group three making a passionate appeal to African countries to unite and forge a common front in the forthcoming WCIT meeting in Dubai a proposal similar to the one put forth by Dr. Ndemo. His major concern were Interconnection tarrifs which were heavily skewed in favour of european telcos, that said back home we have seen cases in which network operators play around with tarrifs like bait, we have seen endless fights between the operators on Interneconnection, the question is who should take lead and how can the common mwanainchi like you and i participate in the process?
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
I believe we should start advocating for an updated global regulatory environment. As one lister mentioned are ITRs even necessary in this brave new world? The fact that it takes so long within the ITU member states to make even a slight change in language for anything involving treaties that affect member states is caution enough - 22 years since the last update!!
Let's look at the environment now and then.
1. National Telecomms companies are either defunct or moribund replaced ( or in some cases swallowed) by all intents and purposes by large dominant Multi-nationals or regional giants. Safaricom (Vodafone), Orange (France Telecom), Airtel (Bharti) and yu (Essar) in Kenya are all controlled by these. So my humble view is that the only point of discussion for us is from a user and regulatory perspective. In this I believe we need to ensure a level playing field for all players and as much as possible retain some sort of Net Neutrality.
2. Is this achievable through the ATU? The fact that the only time this was mentioned was yesterday by Daktari Ndemo and that the CCK is still nil by mouth on this is an answer in itself. How do we participate at the ATU. Does this forum have any mandate on this? What is the role of TESPOK? KITOS? Even if we do go the ATU way we must have a plan B to move our Agenda forward. Do we know if other African countries are even discussing this? If so what forums are there to have a meeting of minds?
A casual look at the ATU site makes zero reference to this issue of ITRs, internet governance and freedom. Further it looks like their calendar is full for the remainder of the year and into the next year. Being realistic what chances do we have of a joint position across Africa before December's Dubai meeting? Any lurkers out there from the rest of Africa to join in and give us your perspective?
Let's start with home. What is the position of the various organizations? TESPOK? KeNIC? Computer Society? CCK?
Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
International Telecommunication regulations are general principles related to international telecommunication services and its transport means.
The purpose and Scope includes among other things:
- Interconnection and interoperability of telecommunication facilities. - Giving precedence for the *Radio Regulations* in case of contradiction. - Allowing, within its framework, mutual agreements between countries. - To set primary rules for accounting and settlements between members.
The ITR treaty was adopted in the *World Administrative Telegraph and Telephone* *Conference* (WATTC) held in Melbourne, 1988. It however came into force on July 1
1990, since then no updates have been made to the ITR provisions which leads to the following question:
1. As countries prepare for the World Congress on International Telecommunications to be held in Dubai in December 2012 ( http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/overview.aspx) What should Kenya's priorities be? 2. Should Kenya make its stand as a country or should we bargain through the Africa Telecommunications Union as per Dr. Ndemos proposal during a discussion on the list what are the implications of taking a stand as a country or as a regional block ?
The floor is open
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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Listers, Feel free to continue commenting on the subject, in the meantime we will move to day 2, Intermediary liability. Best Regards On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali, Listers
Attached please find a report on what was resolved in Ougadougou.
Best Regards
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Thank you Barrack. I wonder what happened to Mr. Kpakpo's proposal? Was it taken up by ATU? If so how can we link in on that?
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali,
You raise pertinent issues, i had an opportunity to participate in the ATU meeting held in Ougadougou from 5th - 7th March 2012 whose theme was Internet Infrastructure for an African Digital Economy, i recall Mr. Abosse Akue Kpakpo a member of the ITU Study group three making a passionate appeal to African countries to unite and forge a common front in the forthcoming WCIT meeting in Dubai a proposal similar to the one put forth by Dr. Ndemo. His major concern were Interconnection tarrifs which were heavily skewed in favour of european telcos, that said back home we have seen cases in which network operators play around with tarrifs like bait, we have seen endless fights between the operators on Interneconnection, the question is who should take lead and how can the common mwanainchi like you and i participate in the process?
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Listers
I believe we should start advocating for an updated global regulatory environment. As one lister mentioned are ITRs even necessary in this brave new world? The fact that it takes so long within the ITU member states to make even a slight change in language for anything involving treaties that affect member states is caution enough - 22 years since the last update!!
Let's look at the environment now and then.
1. National Telecomms companies are either defunct or moribund replaced ( or in some cases swallowed) by all intents and purposes by large dominant Multi-nationals or regional giants. Safaricom (Vodafone), Orange (France Telecom), Airtel (Bharti) and yu (Essar) in Kenya are all controlled by these. So my humble view is that the only point of discussion for us is from a user and regulatory perspective. In this I believe we need to ensure a level playing field for all players and as much as possible retain some sort of Net Neutrality.
2. Is this achievable through the ATU? The fact that the only time this was mentioned was yesterday by Daktari Ndemo and that the CCK is still nil by mouth on this is an answer in itself. How do we participate at the ATU. Does this forum have any mandate on this? What is the role of TESPOK? KITOS? Even if we do go the ATU way we must have a plan B to move our Agenda forward. Do we know if other African countries are even discussing this? If so what forums are there to have a meeting of minds?
A casual look at the ATU site makes zero reference to this issue of ITRs, internet governance and freedom. Further it looks like their calendar is full for the remainder of the year and into the next year. Being realistic what chances do we have of a joint position across Africa before December's Dubai meeting? Any lurkers out there from the rest of Africa to join in and give us your perspective?
Let's start with home. What is the position of the various organizations? TESPOK? KeNIC? Computer Society? CCK?
Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
International Telecommunication regulations are general principles related to international telecommunication services and its transport means.
The purpose and Scope includes among other things:
Interconnection and interoperability of telecommunication facilities. Giving precedence for the Radio Regulations in case of contradiction. Allowing, within its framework, mutual agreements between countries. To set primary rules for accounting and settlements between members.
The ITR treaty was adopted in the World Administrative Telegraph and Telephone Conference (WATTC) held in Melbourne, 1988. It however came into force on July 1
1990, since then no updates have been made to the ITR provisions which leads to the following question:
As countries prepare for the World Congress on International Telecommunications to be held in Dubai in December 2012 (http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/overview.aspx) What should Kenya's priorities be? Should Kenya make its stand as a country or should we bargain through the Africa Telecommunications Union as per Dr. Ndemos proposal during a discussion on the list what are the implications of taking a stand as a country or as a regional block ?
The floor is open
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Dear Ali and listers, Its interesting, the call for a global regulatory environment. But seeing as the Internet developed because of among others the openness, suppose there is regulation, are there certain aspects that should be left unregulated, at least by governments, or at least for the time being? Grace B 2012/6/14 Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>
Listers
I believe we should start advocating for an updated global regulatory environment. As one lister mentioned are ITRs even necessary in this brave new world? The fact that it takes so long within the ITU member states to make even a slight change in language for anything involving treaties that affect member states is caution enough - 22 years since the last update!!
Let's look at the environment now and then.
1. National Telecomms companies are either defunct or moribund replaced ( or in some cases swallowed) by all intents and purposes by large dominant Multi-nationals or regional giants. Safaricom (Vodafone), Orange (France Telecom), Airtel (Bharti) and yu (Essar) in Kenya are all controlled by these. So my humble view is that the only point of discussion for us is from a user and regulatory perspective. In this I believe we need to ensure a level playing field for all players and as much as possible retain some sort of Net Neutrality.
2. Is this achievable through the ATU? The fact that the only time this was mentioned was yesterday by Daktari Ndemo and that the CCK is still nil by mouth on this is an answer in itself. How do we participate at the ATU. Does this forum have any mandate on this? What is the role of TESPOK? KITOS? Even if we do go the ATU way we must have a plan B to move our Agenda forward. Do we know if other African countries are even discussing this? If so what forums are there to have a meeting of minds?
A casual look at the ATU site makes zero reference to this issue of ITRs, internet governance and freedom. Further it looks like their calendar is full for the remainder of the year and into the next year. Being realistic what chances do we have of a joint position across Africa before December's Dubai meeting? Any lurkers out there from the rest of Africa to join in and give us your perspective?
Let's start with home. What is the position of the various organizations? TESPOK? KeNIC? Computer Society? CCK?
Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
International Telecommunication regulations are general principles related to international telecommunication services and its transport means.
The purpose and Scope includes among other things:
- Interconnection and interoperability of telecommunication facilities. - Giving precedence for the *Radio Regulations* in case of contradiction. - Allowing, within its framework, mutual agreements between countries. - To set primary rules for accounting and settlements between members.
The ITR treaty was adopted in the *World Administrative Telegraph and Telephone* *Conference* (WATTC) held in Melbourne, 1988. It however came into force on July 1
1990, since then no updates have been made to the ITR provisions which leads to the following question:
1. As countries prepare for the World Congress on International Telecommunications to be held in Dubai in December 2012 ( http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/overview.aspx) What should Kenya's priorities be? 2. Should Kenya make its stand as a country or should we bargain through the Africa Telecommunications Union as per Dr. Ndemos proposal during a discussion on the list what are the implications of taking a stand as a country or as a regional block ?
The floor is open
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Grace and all There has always been some sort of regulation albeit on a very long string. The point I was trying to make is that if we are at all to expand ITRs to include the Internet and other related services then we need to expand that environment to include signatories that are not necessarily government related. As mentioned before civil society groups, Multi Nationals all are now recognized to be part part and parcel of the ecosystem. Regulation in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. In good faith it is deemed to be there to protect all stakeholders. The onus is of course on all of us to endure vigilance that it is not abused. A case in point is the recent media reports about collusion in the telecoms space in Kenya where some Telcos were accused of price collusion with the cooperation of CCK. Whether these reports were correct or not we should commend our vigilance and the action CCK took to quash those rumors. A few weeks later we see an agreement with all Telcos and CCK amicably agreeing to reduce further interconnection rates. That in my opinion is a good example of regulation working. Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:18 PM, "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ali and listers, Its interesting, the call for a global regulatory environment. But seeing as the Internet developed because of among others the openness, suppose there is regulation, are there certain aspects that should be left unregulated, at least by governments, or at least for the time being?
Grace B
2012/6/14 Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Listers
I believe we should start advocating for an updated global regulatory environment. As one lister mentioned are ITRs even necessary in this brave new world? The fact that it takes so long within the ITU member states to make even a slight change in language for anything involving treaties that affect member states is caution enough - 22 years since the last update!!
Let's look at the environment now and then.
1. National Telecomms companies are either defunct or moribund replaced ( or in some cases swallowed) by all intents and purposes by large dominant Multi-nationals or regional giants. Safaricom (Vodafone), Orange (France Telecom), Airtel (Bharti) and yu (Essar) in Kenya are all controlled by these. So my humble view is that the only point of discussion for us is from a user and regulatory perspective. In this I believe we need to ensure a level playing field for all players and as much as possible retain some sort of Net Neutrality.
2. Is this achievable through the ATU? The fact that the only time this was mentioned was yesterday by Daktari Ndemo and that the CCK is still nil by mouth on this is an answer in itself. How do we participate at the ATU. Does this forum have any mandate on this? What is the role of TESPOK? KITOS? Even if we do go the ATU way we must have a plan B to move our Agenda forward. Do we know if other African countries are even discussing this? If so what forums are there to have a meeting of minds?
A casual look at the ATU site makes zero reference to this issue of ITRs, internet governance and freedom. Further it looks like their calendar is full for the remainder of the year and into the next year. Being realistic what chances do we have of a joint position across Africa before December's Dubai meeting? Any lurkers out there from the rest of Africa to join in and give us your perspective?
Let's start with home. What is the position of the various organizations? TESPOK? KeNIC? Computer Society? CCK?
Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
International Telecommunication regulations are general principles related to international telecommunication services and its transport means.
The purpose and Scope includes among other things:
Interconnection and interoperability of telecommunication facilities. Giving precedence for the Radio Regulations in case of contradiction. Allowing, within its framework, mutual agreements between countries. To set primary rules for accounting and settlements between members. The ITR treaty was adopted in the World Administrative Telegraph and Telephone Conference (WATTC) held in Melbourne, 1988. It however came into force on July 1
1990, since then no updates have been made to the ITR provisions which leads to the following question:
As countries prepare for the World Congress on International Telecommunications to be held in Dubai in December 2012 (http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/overview.aspx) What should Kenya's priorities be? Should Kenya make its stand as a country or should we bargain through the Africa Telecommunications Union as per Dr. Ndemos proposal during a discussion on the list what are the implications of taking a stand as a country or as a regional block ? The floor is open
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Agreed Ali, Grace (B) if you read through the ATU report , you will realise that this was the spirit most participants agreed to embrace, multistakeholderism which has become popular with the evolution of the Internet, in my humble opinion, the war on terror lends credence to regulation, security is key to socio -economic developement in any country, regulation cannot and should no longer be limited to governments alone but to all stakeholders involved in management of key communications Infrastructure. On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Grace and all
There has always been some sort of regulation albeit on a very long string. The point I was trying to make is that if we are at all to expand ITRs to include the Internet and other related services then we need to expand that environment to include signatories that are not necessarily government related. As mentioned before civil society groups, Multi Nationals all are now recognized to be part part and parcel of the ecosystem.
Regulation in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. In good faith it is deemed to be there to protect all stakeholders. The onus is of course on all of us to endure vigilance that it is not abused. A case in point is the recent media reports about collusion in the telecoms space in Kenya where some Telcos were accused of price collusion with the cooperation of CCK. Whether these reports were correct or not we should commend our vigilance and the action CCK took to quash those rumors. A few weeks later we see an agreement with all Telcos and CCK amicably agreeing to reduce further interconnection rates. That in my opinion is a good example of regulation working.
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:18 PM, "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ali and listers, Its interesting, the call for a global regulatory environment. But seeing as the Internet developed because of among others the openness, suppose there is regulation, are there certain aspects that should be left unregulated, at least by governments, or at least for the time being?
Grace B
2012/6/14 Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>
Listers
I believe we should start advocating for an updated global regulatory environment. As one lister mentioned are ITRs even necessary in this brave new world? The fact that it takes so long within the ITU member states to make even a slight change in language for anything involving treaties that affect member states is caution enough - 22 years since the last update!!
Let's look at the environment now and then.
1. National Telecomms companies are either defunct or moribund replaced ( or in some cases swallowed) by all intents and purposes by large dominant Multi-nationals or regional giants. Safaricom (Vodafone), Orange (France Telecom), Airtel (Bharti) and yu (Essar) in Kenya are all controlled by these. So my humble view is that the only point of discussion for us is from a user and regulatory perspective. In this I believe we need to ensure a level playing field for all players and as much as possible retain some sort of Net Neutrality.
2. Is this achievable through the ATU? The fact that the only time this was mentioned was yesterday by Daktari Ndemo and that the CCK is still nil by mouth on this is an answer in itself. How do we participate at the ATU. Does this forum have any mandate on this? What is the role of TESPOK? KITOS? Even if we do go the ATU way we must have a plan B to move our Agenda forward. Do we know if other African countries are even discussing this? If so what forums are there to have a meeting of minds?
A casual look at the ATU site makes zero reference to this issue of ITRs, internet governance and freedom. Further it looks like their calendar is full for the remainder of the year and into the next year. Being realistic what chances do we have of a joint position across Africa before December's Dubai meeting? Any lurkers out there from the rest of Africa to join in and give us your perspective?
Let's start with home. What is the position of the various organizations? TESPOK? KeNIC? Computer Society? CCK?
Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
International Telecommunication regulations are general principles related to international telecommunication services and its transport means.
The purpose and Scope includes among other things:
Interconnection and interoperability of telecommunication facilities. Giving precedence for the Radio Regulations in case of contradiction. Allowing, within its framework, mutual agreements between countries. To set primary rules for accounting and settlements between members.
The ITR treaty was adopted in the World Administrative Telegraph and Telephone Conference (WATTC) held in Melbourne, 1988. It however came into force on July 1
1990, since then no updates have been made to the ITR provisions which leads to the following question:
As countries prepare for the World Congress on International Telecommunications to be held in Dubai in December 2012 (http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/overview.aspx) What should Kenya's priorities be? Should Kenya make its stand as a country or should we bargain through the Africa Telecommunications Union as per Dr. Ndemos proposal during a discussion on the list what are the implications of taking a stand as a country or as a regional block ?
The floor is open
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+1 Barrack Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 15, 2012, at 6:29 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed Ali, Grace (B) if you read through the ATU report , you will realise that this was the spirit most participants agreed to embrace, multistakeholderism which has become popular with the evolution of the Internet, in my humble opinion, the war on terror lends credence to regulation, security is key to socio -economic developement in any country, regulation cannot and should no longer be limited to governments alone but to all stakeholders involved in management of key communications Infrastructure.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
Grace and all
There has always been some sort of regulation albeit on a very long string. The point I was trying to make is that if we are at all to expand ITRs to include the Internet and other related services then we need to expand that environment to include signatories that are not necessarily government related. As mentioned before civil society groups, Multi Nationals all are now recognized to be part part and parcel of the ecosystem.
Regulation in itself is not necessarily a bad thing. In good faith it is deemed to be there to protect all stakeholders. The onus is of course on all of us to endure vigilance that it is not abused. A case in point is the recent media reports about collusion in the telecoms space in Kenya where some Telcos were accused of price collusion with the cooperation of CCK. Whether these reports were correct or not we should commend our vigilance and the action CCK took to quash those rumors. A few weeks later we see an agreement with all Telcos and CCK amicably agreeing to reduce further interconnection rates. That in my opinion is a good example of regulation working.
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:18 PM, "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ali and listers, Its interesting, the call for a global regulatory environment. But seeing as the Internet developed because of among others the openness, suppose there is regulation, are there certain aspects that should be left unregulated, at least by governments, or at least for the time being?
Grace B
2012/6/14 Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke>
Listers
I believe we should start advocating for an updated global regulatory environment. As one lister mentioned are ITRs even necessary in this brave new world? The fact that it takes so long within the ITU member states to make even a slight change in language for anything involving treaties that affect member states is caution enough - 22 years since the last update!!
Let's look at the environment now and then.
1. National Telecomms companies are either defunct or moribund replaced ( or in some cases swallowed) by all intents and purposes by large dominant Multi-nationals or regional giants. Safaricom (Vodafone), Orange (France Telecom), Airtel (Bharti) and yu (Essar) in Kenya are all controlled by these. So my humble view is that the only point of discussion for us is from a user and regulatory perspective. In this I believe we need to ensure a level playing field for all players and as much as possible retain some sort of Net Neutrality.
2. Is this achievable through the ATU? The fact that the only time this was mentioned was yesterday by Daktari Ndemo and that the CCK is still nil by mouth on this is an answer in itself. How do we participate at the ATU. Does this forum have any mandate on this? What is the role of TESPOK? KITOS? Even if we do go the ATU way we must have a plan B to move our Agenda forward. Do we know if other African countries are even discussing this? If so what forums are there to have a meeting of minds?
A casual look at the ATU site makes zero reference to this issue of ITRs, internet governance and freedom. Further it looks like their calendar is full for the remainder of the year and into the next year. Being realistic what chances do we have of a joint position across Africa before December's Dubai meeting? Any lurkers out there from the rest of Africa to join in and give us your perspective?
Let's start with home. What is the position of the various organizations? TESPOK? KeNIC? Computer Society? CCK?
Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Jun 13, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Listers,
International Telecommunication regulations are general principles related to international telecommunication services and its transport means.
The purpose and Scope includes among other things:
Interconnection and interoperability of telecommunication facilities. Giving precedence for the Radio Regulations in case of contradiction. Allowing, within its framework, mutual agreements between countries. To set primary rules for accounting and settlements between members.
The ITR treaty was adopted in the World Administrative Telegraph and Telephone Conference (WATTC) held in Melbourne, 1988. It however came into force on July 1
1990, since then no updates have been made to the ITR provisions which leads to the following question:
As countries prepare for the World Congress on International Telecommunications to be held in Dubai in December 2012 (http://www.itu.int/en/wcit-12/Pages/overview.aspx) What should Kenya's priorities be? Should Kenya make its stand as a country or should we bargain through the Africa Telecommunications Union as per Dr. Ndemos proposal during a discussion on the list what are the implications of taking a stand as a country or as a regional block ?
The floor is open
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Hussein,Listers Regarding reference to CCK,Operators etc. If we assume that CCK is a referee and operators are players in the field;Is it really reasonable to expect the referee to consult the players before he takes action against them ? Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ngethe.kariuki2007=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:54:13 To: <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya IGF on line Discussions Day 1: International Telecommunications Regulations (ITR's) _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40y... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
@ Ngethe, I think it is reasonable, depending on the nature of the game the referee might have to issue warnings to avert chaos, a case in point is games for community clubs eg Gor and AFC where emotions run high same case applies to industry to avert unnecessary litigation and uncompetitive behaviour , the regulator might have to step in, CCK has done well in this regard going by Ali's post. Best Regards On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:27 AM, <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Ngethe It's a brave new world! Where new words, contexts and meanings are sprouting up every day! :) Regulators and players have (or should) discarded purely combative engagements and it's a new dispensation. So Referees get in and 'play' and at the same time officiate! I know it's confusing but so is this whole new playing field! :) My favorite word in this new confusing world is Frenemy. Yes, you got it... Friend & Enemy all in one. This is played out every day. Safaricom, Airtel, CCK et al today rubbing shoulders, tomorrow throwing barbs at each other; Google and Apple, Apple and Samsung; The Federal Trade Commission today asking one player to testify against another; tomorrow turning around and asking the former accused to testify against the former accuser...and it goes on..You get the picture. The point my brother is that if we are to play in this new game in town we must discard our old skins and grow new ones..Or as an old IBMer friend of mine once told me - You snooze you loose! Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Jun 15, 2012, at 8:27 AM, ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Hussein,Listers
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Ali Hussein -
Barrack Otieno -
Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) -
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