Tracking of cooking gas cylinders
It Is surprising how until now it is not clear if it will be RFID or IOT, June is two months away. With the short time frame, IOT seem to be the best option and in this case the Data volume being low, I.e location and ID, Narrow Band(NB) Iot will suffice. Power consumption is also low. And IOT devices are known to have a very long life span with low power consumption. This will be very easy to deploy just needs the devices on cylinders, iot application and contract with MNO,s for the narrow band IOT This is a great opportunity to utilize the widespread mobile networks and great use case of internet. On the other hand, RFID will require a countrywide deployment of readers at various points, and a unique application for post processing data. Deployment of this is expensive, operations and maintenance also expensive. Eng. Edwin M. Ombega Sent from my iPhone
On 10 Apr 2024, at 03:30, kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke wrote:
Re: Kenya to implement automated tracking system for cooking gas cylinders from June
On 10/04/2024 08.48, Edwin Matoke via KICTANet wrote:
It Is surprising how until now it is not clear if it will be RFID or IOT, June is two months away.
With the short time frame, IOT seem to be the best option and in this case the Data volume being low, I.e location and ID, Narrow Band(NB) Iot will suffice. Power consumption is also low. And IOT devices are known to have a very long life span with low power consumption. This will be very easy to deploy just needs the devices on cylinders, iot application and contract with MNO,s for the narrow band IOT
This is a great opportunity to utilize the widespread mobile networks and great use case of internet.
There are privacy concerns. Who will have access to all the location data? How well will the data be secured? Even for mobile phone use, there are some open issues [0] Technically, LoRaWAN would work with accuracy around 10-100m[1,2,3,4]. Unclear if ODPC has done an evaluation of this. In agreement with Lawrence Muchilwa, perhaps understanding where the gas for cylinders being refilled improperly is obtained from will be easier than targeting consumers for mass surveillance. The gas supply chain is rather centralized and easier to monitor, for example monitoring of LPG supply trucks and LPG depots. Moving away from cylinders would also be good. Deploying a large scale pipe network would be expensive to deploy and maintain. Retrofitting estate areas with local gas supply is feasible, and could be something that is incorporated into planning approval guidelines. The US has guidelines for small scale LPG distribution[5]. 0) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking#Privacy 1) GPS-free Geolocation using LoRa in Low-Power WANs - https://backend.orbit.dtu.dk/ws/portalfiles/portal/130478296/paper_final_2.p... 2) ILLOC: In-Hall Localization with Standard LoRaWAN Uplink Frames - https://tanrui.github.io/pub/ILLOC-final.pdf 3) Outdoor Localization and Distance Estimation Based on Dynamic RSSI Measurements in LoRa Networks: Application to Cattle Rustling Prevention - https://cpham.perso.univ-pau.fr/Paper/WIMOB19-1.pdf 4) Low-Power LoRa Signal-Based Outdoor Positioning Using Fingerprint Algorithm - https://www.mdpi.com/2220-9964/7/11/440 5) https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/25245/safety-regulation-for-small-...
On the other hand, RFID will require a countrywide deployment of readers at various points, and a unique application for post processing data. Deployment of this is expensive, operations and maintenance also expensive.
Eng. Edwin M. Ombega
The concept of illegal refilling is a legacy idea anchored in anticompetitive practices mainly by multinationals. a) All LPG has the same source - same shipment. All traceable from the supply side. Any diversion is negligible and does not justify such tracing. b) The cylinder belongs to the consumer and s/he may use it as a flower pot if they so wish and buy LPG from whichever outlet they prefer. Tracing is a privacy violation. c) EPRA should enforce on their licencees from the supply end, not on consumers. WM On Wednesday, April 10, 2024, Benson Muite via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On 10/04/2024 08.48, Edwin Matoke via KICTANet wrote:
It Is surprising how until now it is not clear if it will be RFID or
IOT, June is two months away.
With the short time frame, IOT seem to be the best option and in this
case the Data volume being low, I.e location and ID, Narrow Band(NB) Iot will suffice. Power consumption is also low. And IOT devices are known to have a very long life span with low power consumption. This will be very easy to deploy just needs the devices on cylinders, iot application and contract with MNO,s for the narrow band IOT
This is a great opportunity to utilize the widespread mobile networks
and great use case of internet.
There are privacy concerns. Who will have access to all the location data? How well will the data be secured? Even for mobile phone use, there are some open issues [0]
Technically, LoRaWAN would work with accuracy around 10-100m[1,2,3,4]. Unclear if ODPC has done an evaluation of this. In agreement with Lawrence Muchilwa, perhaps understanding where the gas for cylinders being refilled improperly is obtained from will be easier than targeting consumers for mass surveillance. The gas supply chain is rather centralized and easier to monitor, for example monitoring of LPG supply trucks and LPG depots.
Moving away from cylinders would also be good. Deploying a large scale pipe network would be expensive to deploy and maintain. Retrofitting estate areas with local gas supply is feasible, and could be something that is incorporated into planning approval guidelines. The US has guidelines for small scale LPG distribution[5].
0) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking#Privacy
1) GPS-free Geolocation using LoRa in Low-Power WANs - https://backend.orbit.dtu.dk/ws/portalfiles/portal/ 130478296/paper_final_2.pdf
2) ILLOC: In-Hall Localization with Standard LoRaWAN Uplink Frames - https://tanrui.github.io/pub/ILLOC-final.pdf
3) Outdoor Localization and Distance Estimation Based on Dynamic RSSI Measurements in LoRa Networks: Application to Cattle Rustling Prevention - https://cpham.perso.univ-pau.fr/Paper/WIMOB19-1.pdf
4) Low-Power LoRa Signal-Based Outdoor Positioning Using Fingerprint Algorithm - https://www.mdpi.com/2220-9964/7/11/440
5) https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/25245/safety- regulation-for-small-lpg-distribution-systems
On the other hand, RFID will require a countrywide deployment of readers
at various points, and a unique application for post processing data. Deployment of this is expensive, operations and maintenance also expensive.
Eng. Edwin M. Ombega
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@Wainaina Mungai you've evoked my thoughts of a local chicken company that has a regional presence. They can trace every piece of chicken (no matter where this has been bought from in the country) back to the grandparent stock!! The grandparents are reared in a biosecure plant in Zambia, and those eggs are distributed to their regional companies for the layers, on to chicks and then the chicken we eat at home. If they can have this kind of a tracing system without collecting location information, surely EPRA can approach them for such a seemingly simple solution that is not intrusive to privacy? Then we can all be happy cooking chicken with gas that is traceable for our safety 😄... On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 16:26, Wainaina Mungai via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The concept of illegal refilling is a legacy idea anchored in anticompetitive practices mainly by multinationals.
a) All LPG has the same source - same shipment. All traceable from the supply side. Any diversion is negligible and does not justify such tracing.
b) The cylinder belongs to the consumer and s/he may use it as a flower pot if they so wish and buy LPG from whichever outlet they prefer. Tracing is a privacy violation.
c) EPRA should enforce on their licencees from the supply end, not on consumers.
WM
On Wednesday, April 10, 2024, Benson Muite via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On 10/04/2024 08.48, Edwin Matoke via KICTANet wrote:
It Is surprising how until now it is not clear if it will be RFID or
IOT, June is two months away.
With the short time frame, IOT seem to be the best option and in this
case the Data volume being low, I.e location and ID, Narrow Band(NB) Iot will suffice. Power consumption is also low. And IOT devices are known to have a very long life span with low power consumption. This will be very easy to deploy just needs the devices on cylinders, iot application and contract with MNO,s for the narrow band IOT
This is a great opportunity to utilize the widespread mobile networks
and great use case of internet.
There are privacy concerns. Who will have access to all the location data? How well will the data be secured? Even for mobile phone use, there are some open issues [0]
Technically, LoRaWAN would work with accuracy around 10-100m[1,2,3,4]. Unclear if ODPC has done an evaluation of this. In agreement with Lawrence Muchilwa, perhaps understanding where the gas for cylinders being refilled improperly is obtained from will be easier than targeting consumers for mass surveillance. The gas supply chain is rather centralized and easier to monitor, for example monitoring of LPG supply trucks and LPG depots.
Moving away from cylinders would also be good. Deploying a large scale pipe network would be expensive to deploy and maintain. Retrofitting estate areas with local gas supply is feasible, and could be something that is incorporated into planning approval guidelines. The US has guidelines for small scale LPG distribution[5].
0) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking#Privacy
1) GPS-free Geolocation using LoRa in Low-Power WANs -
https://backend.orbit.dtu.dk/ws/portalfiles/portal/130478296/paper_final_2.p...
2) ILLOC: In-Hall Localization with Standard LoRaWAN Uplink Frames - https://tanrui.github.io/pub/ILLOC-final.pdf
3) Outdoor Localization and Distance Estimation Based on Dynamic RSSI Measurements in LoRa Networks: Application to Cattle Rustling Prevention - https://cpham.perso.univ-pau.fr/Paper/WIMOB19-1.pdf
4) Low-Power LoRa Signal-Based Outdoor Positioning Using Fingerprint Algorithm - https://www.mdpi.com/2220-9964/7/11/440
5)
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/25245/safety-regulation-for-small-...
On the other hand, RFID will require a countrywide deployment of
readers at various points, and a unique application for post processing data. Deployment of this is expensive, operations and maintenance also expensive.
Eng. Edwin M. Ombega
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As societies prosper, citizens demand more democratic space and privacy and this is largely a middle-class construct and indeed we have seen this correlations in the past in Taiwan, South Korea and earlier on in Japan. So "privacy" concepts continue to baffle me in this ever-changing world and as we redefine the spaces we exist in, we need to re-imagine what is privacy and what it should be in a world that's under surveillance 24/7. E. On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 14:54 Kathy Mwai via KICTANet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Wainaina Mungai you've evoked my thoughts of a local chicken company that has a regional presence. They can trace every piece of chicken (no matter where this has been bought from in the country) back to the grandparent stock!! The grandparents are reared in a biosecure plant in Zambia, and those eggs are distributed to their regional companies for the layers, on to chicks and then the chicken we eat at home. If they can have this kind of a tracing system without collecting location information, surely EPRA can approach them for such a seemingly simple solution that is not intrusive to privacy?
Then we can all be happy cooking chicken with gas that is traceable for our safety 😄...
On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 16:26, Wainaina Mungai via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
The concept of illegal refilling is a legacy idea anchored in anticompetitive practices mainly by multinationals.
a) All LPG has the same source - same shipment. All traceable from the supply side. Any diversion is negligible and does not justify such tracing.
b) The cylinder belongs to the consumer and s/he may use it as a flower pot if they so wish and buy LPG from whichever outlet they prefer. Tracing is a privacy violation.
c) EPRA should enforce on their licencees from the supply end, not on consumers.
WM
On Wednesday, April 10, 2024, Benson Muite via KICTANet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On 10/04/2024 08.48, Edwin Matoke via KICTANet wrote:
It Is surprising how until now it is not clear if it will be RFID or
IOT, June is two months away.
With the short time frame, IOT seem to be the best option and in this
case the Data volume being low, I.e location and ID, Narrow Band(NB) Iot will suffice. Power consumption is also low. And IOT devices are known to have a very long life span with low power consumption. This will be very easy to deploy just needs the devices on cylinders, iot application and contract with MNO,s for the narrow band IOT
This is a great opportunity to utilize the widespread mobile networks
and great use case of internet.
There are privacy concerns. Who will have access to all the location data? How well will the data be secured? Even for mobile phone use, there are some open issues [0]
Technically, LoRaWAN would work with accuracy around 10-100m[1,2,3,4]. Unclear if ODPC has done an evaluation of this. In agreement with Lawrence Muchilwa, perhaps understanding where the gas for cylinders being refilled improperly is obtained from will be easier than targeting consumers for mass surveillance. The gas supply chain is rather centralized and easier to monitor, for example monitoring of LPG supply trucks and LPG depots.
Moving away from cylinders would also be good. Deploying a large scale pipe network would be expensive to deploy and maintain. Retrofitting estate areas with local gas supply is feasible, and could be something that is incorporated into planning approval guidelines. The US has guidelines for small scale LPG distribution[5].
0) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking#Privacy
1) GPS-free Geolocation using LoRa in Low-Power WANs -
https://backend.orbit.dtu.dk/ws/portalfiles/portal/130478296/paper_final_2.p...
2) ILLOC: In-Hall Localization with Standard LoRaWAN Uplink Frames - https://tanrui.github.io/pub/ILLOC-final.pdf
3) Outdoor Localization and Distance Estimation Based on Dynamic RSSI Measurements in LoRa Networks: Application to Cattle Rustling Prevention - https://cpham.perso.univ-pau.fr/Paper/WIMOB19-1.pdf
4) Low-Power LoRa Signal-Based Outdoor Positioning Using Fingerprint Algorithm - https://www.mdpi.com/2220-9964/7/11/440
5)
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/25245/safety-regulation-for-small-...
On the other hand, RFID will require a countrywide deployment of
readers at various points, and a unique application for post processing data. Deployment of this is expensive, operations and maintenance also expensive.
Eng. Edwin M. Ombega
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Wainaina Mungai