Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC
*Listers* * * * * *The Government of Kenya, through the Ministry of Information of Communications will launch a new Government Open Data Portal on July 8, 2011 at the KICC that will, for the first time, make several large government datasets available to the general public in an easy to search and view format.* The launch will be presided over by HE President Mwai Kibaki . Program commences at 9.30 tomorrow. The web portal will allow citizens and the private sector to search and display national and county level data in graphs and maps and allow for easy comparison and analysis between datasets. **** ** ** For web and software developers, the portal will avail data in useable formats like cvs, Excel and will even include APIs for each dataset.**** ** ** The portal will be one of the first and largest government data portals in sub-Saharan Africa. With this launch, Kenya will become a leader among developing countries in the adoption of open data - a movement that is gathering momentum globally. **** * * *What is open data?***** Public information and searchable information are two different things. Much public data is already available by law but it's often not usable because it is in a format that is not easy to find, use and re-use. Published PDF files do not constitute "open data" and are not helpful to large-scale users.**** ** ** To be open, data must be:**** - easily found through search engines (meta-tagged)**** - available in machine readable formats (CSV, XML, APIs not PDF)**** - accessible by third party tools/applications (interoperable)**** - allow others to use and re-use for non-commercial and commercial use (e.g Creative Commons Licences)**** Open Data not only increases transparency and accountability but also promotes greater efficiency and effectiveness in the delivery of public services by allowing users to easily consume and interpret data**** ** ** This is therefore to invite you to the launch. You can register at the door on your arrival. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment
Way to go for Kenya. I think this is called "walking the talk". Kudos to the men and women behind this great initiative and just to mention a few in Govt: Ndemo, Paul K, most likely Kate G, Google: Mucheru/Ory and many others behind the scenes. Those outside govt may not know but to pull off this type of thing - ahead of the Freedom of Info Act and under the entrenched govt culture of hiding data - is a great leap of faith by the folks in Govt. You can almost say: Am almost proud being Kenyan ;-) walu. --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Paul M <paulitrix@gmail.com> wrote: From: Paul M <paulitrix@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 10:09 AM Great initiative. Here is the site: http://opendata.go.ke/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Way to go for Kenya. I think this is called "walking the talk". Kudos to
Walu For once, we are in perfect agreement! This is indeed a major achievement. I am looking forward to a great deal of innovative mashup, etc coming from open gov data! Rgds, McTim On Jul 8, 2011 5:22 PM, "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: the men and women behind this great initiative and just to mention a few in Govt: Ndemo, Paul K, most likely Kate G, Google: Mucheru/Ory and many others behind the scenes.
Those outside govt may not know but to pull off this type of thing - ahead
of the Freedom of Info Act and under the entrenched govt culture of hiding data - is a great leap of faith by the folks in Govt.
You can almost say: Am almost proud being Kenyan ;-) walu.
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From: Paul M <paulitrix@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 10:09 AM
Great initiative. Here is the site: http://opendata.go.ke/
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Good stuff On my 2mbps the access is still too slow . this is not an issue of fiber -J I believe we need load balanced alternate sites atleast one in Nairobi. Sort this asap so that the data is accessible to the right user at the right time regards From: kictanet-bounces+paul=adwest.net@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+paul=adwest.net@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Walubengo J Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:21 PM To: paul@adwest.net Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC Way to go for Kenya. I think this is called "walking the talk". Kudos to the men and women behind this great initiative and just to mention a few in Govt: Ndemo, Paul K, most likely Kate G, Google: Mucheru/Ory and many others behind the scenes. Those outside govt may not know but to pull off this type of thing - ahead of the Freedom of Info Act and under the entrenched govt culture of hiding data - is a great leap of faith by the folks in Govt. You can almost say: Am almost proud being Kenyan ;-) walu. --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Paul M <paulitrix@gmail.com> wrote: From: Paul M <paulitrix@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 10:09 AM Great initiative. Here is the site: http://opendata.go.ke/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hello everyone, Here is my current email: baudouin.schombe @ gmail.com DR Congo is not on the list google for online shopping and I can not buy storage space. I ask the coordinators to add email address below. It's really urgent and thank you for understanding. SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN *COORDONNATEUR DU CENTRE AFRICAIN D'ECHANGE CULTUREL (CAFEC) ACADEMIE DES TIC *COORDONNATEUR NATIONAL REPRONTIC *MEMBRE FACILITATEUR GAID AFRIQUE *AT-LARGE MEMBER (ICANN) *NCUC/GNSO MEMBER (ICANN) Téléphone mobile:+243998983491 email : b.schombe@gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr Site Web : www.ticafrica.net 2011/7/9 Paul Makobi <paul@adwest.net>
Good stuff****
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On my 2mbps the access is still too slow . this is not an issue of fiber - J****
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I believe we need load balanced alternate sites atleast one in Nairobi.*** *
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Sort this asap so that the data is accessible to the right user at the right time****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+paul=adwest.net@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto: kictanet-bounces+paul=adwest.net@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Walubengo J *Sent:* Friday, July 08, 2011 5:21 PM *To:* paul@adwest.net
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC*** *
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Way to go for Kenya. I think this is called "walking the talk". Kudos to the men and women behind this great initiative and just to mention a few in Govt: Ndemo, Paul K, most likely Kate G, Google: Mucheru/Ory and many others behind the scenes.
Those outside govt may not know but to pull off this type of thing - ahead of the Freedom of Info Act and under the entrenched govt culture of hiding data - is a great leap of faith by the folks in Govt.
You can almost say: Am almost proud being Kenyan ;-) walu.
--- On *Fri, 7/8/11, Paul M <paulitrix@gmail.com>* wrote:****
From: Paul M <paulitrix@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 10:09 AM****
Great initiative. Here is the site: http://opendata.go.ke/****
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Even as we celebrate this great initiative, we also need to be ready to address the ramifications based on lessons learned elsewhere with similar initiatives as outlined in this article on why open data alone is not enough: http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/06/st_essay_datafireworks/ On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Paul M <paulitrix@gmail.com> wrote:
Great initiative. Here is the site: http://opendata.go.ke/
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C:\>tracert opendata.go.ke Tracing route to opendata.go.ke [216.227.229.160] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.2 2 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41.139.207.241 3 4 ms 9 ms 15 ms 41-139-255-93.safaricombusiness.co.ke [41.139.25 5.93] 4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-94.safaricombusiness.co.ke [41.139.25 5.94] 5 5 ms 5 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-49.safaricombusiness.co.ke [41.139.25 5.49] 6 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 196.201.222.33 7 93 ms 93 ms 98 ms if-4-2-2.core1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [209.58.105 .25] 8 314 ms 295 ms 294 ms if-8-1-0-0.tcore1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [180.87. 38.17] 9 297 ms 298 ms 297 ms if-2-2.tcore2.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [180.87.38.2 ] 10 289 ms 289 ms 289 ms if-6-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.130. 5] 11 293 ms 296 ms 300 ms if-7-2.tcore2.NJY-Newark.as6453.net [80.231.130. 54] 12 298 ms 295 ms 304 ms if-9-0-0-1108.core3.NTO-NewYork.as6453.net [66.1 98.111.50] 13 296 ms 288 ms 288 ms cr2-pos-0-8-0-3.nyr.savvis.net [208.173.129.29] 14 351 ms 350 ms 349 ms cr1-pos-0-3-1-1.Seattle.savvis.net [204.70.200.6 ] 15 * 387 ms * hr2.se2-pos-9-0-0.se2.savvis.net [208.172.81.222 ] 16 342 ms 343 ms 342 ms 209.67.77.62 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 7 July, 2011 18:48:50 Subject: [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC Listers The Government of Kenya, through the Ministry of Information of Communications will launch a new Government Open Data Portal on July 8, 2011 at the KICC that will, for the first time, make several large government datasets available to the general public in an easy to search and view format. The launch will be presided over by HE President Mwai Kibaki . Program commences at 9.30 tomorrow. The web portal will allow citizens and the private sector to search and display national and county level data in graphs and maps and allow for easy comparison and analysis between datasets. For web and software developers, the portal will avail data in useable formats like cvs, Excel and will even include APIs for each dataset. The portal will be one of the first and largest government data portals in sub-Saharan Africa. With this launch, Kenya will become a leader among developing countries in the adoption of open data - a movement that is gathering momentum globally. What is open data? Public information and searchable information are two different things. Much public data is already available by law but it's often not usable because it is in a format that is not easy to find, use and re-use. Published PDF files do not constitute "open data" and are not helpful to large-scale users. To be open, data must be: * easily found through search engines (meta-tagged) * available in machine readable formats (CSV, XML, APIs not PDF) * accessible by third party tools/applications (interoperable) * allow others to use and re-use for non-commercial and commercial use (e.g Creative Commons Licences) Open Data not only increases transparency and accountability but also promotes greater efficiency and effectiveness in the delivery of public services by allowing users to easily consume and interpret data This is therefore to invite you to the launch. You can register at the door on your arrival. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment
I am not very good at this, but besides the high latency numbers of over 300ms, does this imply that the data is hosted outside of Kenya? Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 12:01 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? C:\>tracert opendata.go.ke Tracing route to opendata.go.ke [216.227.229.160] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.2 2 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41.139.207.241 3 4 ms 9 ms 15 ms 41-139-255-93.safaricombusiness.co.ke [41.139.25 5.93] 4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-94.safaricombusiness.co.ke [41.139.25 5.94] 5 5 ms 5 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-49.safaricombusiness.co.ke [41.139.25 5.49] 6 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 196.201.222.33 7 93 ms 93 ms 98 ms if-4-2-2.core1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [209.58.105 .25] 8 314 ms 295 ms 294 ms if-8-1-0-0.tcore1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [180.87. 38.17] 9 297 ms 298 ms 297 ms if-2-2.tcore2.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [180.87.38.2 ] 10 289 ms 289 ms 289 ms if-6-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.130. 5] 11 293 ms 296 ms 300 ms if-7-2.tcore2.NJY-Newark.as6453.net [80.231.130. 54] 12 298 ms 295 ms 304 ms if-9-0-0-1108.core3.NTO-NewYork.as6453.net [66.1 98.111.50] 13 296 ms 288 ms 288 ms cr2-pos-0-8-0-3.nyr.savvis.net [208.173.129.29] 14 351 ms 350 ms 349 ms cr1-pos-0-3-1-1.Seattle.savvis.net [204.70.200.6 ] 15 * 387 ms * hr2.se2-pos-9-0-0.se2.savvis.net [208.172.81.222 ] 16 342 ms 343 ms 342 ms 209.67.77.62 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 7 July, 2011 18:48:50 Subject: [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC Listers The Government of Kenya, through the Ministry of Information of Communications will launch a new Government Open Data Portal on July 8, 2011 at the KICC that will, for the first time, make several large government datasets available to the general public in an easy to search and view format. The launch will be presided over by HE President Mwai Kibaki . Program commences at 9.30 tomorrow. The web portal will allow citizens and the private sector to search and display national and county level data in graphs and maps and allow for easy comparison and analysis between datasets. For web and software developers, the portal will avail data in useable formats like cvs, Excel and will even include APIs for each dataset. The portal will be one of the first and largest government data portals in sub-Saharan Africa. With this launch, Kenya will become a leader among developing countries in the adoption of open data - a movement that is gathering momentum globally. What is open data? Public information and searchable information are two different things. Much public data is already available by law but it's often not usable because it is in a format that is not easy to find, use and re-use. Published PDF files do not constitute "open data" and are not helpful to large-scale users. To be open, data must be: · easily found through search engines (meta-tagged) · available in machine readable formats (CSV, XML, APIs not PDF) · accessible by third party tools/applications (interoperable) · allow others to use and re-use for non-commercial and commercial use (e.g Creative Commons Licences) Open Data not only increases transparency and accountability but also promotes greater efficiency and effectiveness in the delivery of public services by allowing users to easily consume and interpret data This is therefore to invite you to the launch. You can register at the door on your arrival. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment
According to informed sources, our Open Data is hosted in USA Seatle on Soctrata platform at the SAVVIS Cloud center. The real URL address is kenya.socrata.com. OpenData.go.ke is just a clever redirect to the kenya.socrata.com subdomain. On 11 July 2011 12:08, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote:
I am not very good at this, but besides the high latency numbers of over 300ms, does this imply that the data is hosted outside of Kenya?****
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*From:* kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *robert yawe *Sent:* Monday, July 11, 2011 12:01 PM *To:* Edwin
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?****
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Tracing route to opendata.go.ke [216.227.229.160]****
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2 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41.139.207.241****
3 4 ms 9 ms 15 ms 41-139-255-93.safaricombusiness.co.ke[41.139.25 ****
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4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-94.safaricombusiness.co.ke[41.139.25 ****
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5 5 ms 5 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-49.safaricombusiness.co.ke[41.139.25 ****
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6 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 196.201.222.33****
7 93 ms 93 ms 98 ms if-4-2-2.core1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net[209.58.105 ****
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9 297 ms 298 ms 297 ms if-2-2.tcore2.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net[180.87.38.2 ****
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10 289 ms 289 ms 289 ms if-6-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net[80.231.130. ****
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11 293 ms 296 ms 300 ms if-7-2.tcore2.NJY-Newark.as6453.net[80.231.130. ****
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12 298 ms 295 ms 304 ms if-9-0-0-1108.core3.NTO-NewYork.as6453.net[66.1 ****
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13 296 ms 288 ms 288 ms cr2-pos-0-8-0-3.nyr.savvis.net[208.173.129.29] ****
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14 351 ms 350 ms 349 ms cr1-pos-0-3-1-1.Seattle.savvis.net[204.70.200.6 ****
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16 342 ms 343 ms 342 ms 209.67.77.62****
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*The Government of Kenya, through the Ministry of Information of Communications will launch a new Government **Open** **Data** Portal on July 8, 2011 at the KICC that will**,** for the first time**,** make several large government datasets available to the general public in an easy to search and view format.* ****
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The launch will be presided over by HE President Mwai Kibaki .****
** **
Program commences at 9.30 tomorrow.****
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The web portal will allow citizens and the private sector to search and display national and county level data in graphs and maps and allow for easy comparison and analysis between datasets. ****
****
For web and software developers, the portal will avail data in useable formats like cvs, Excel and will even include APIs for each dataset.****
****
The portal will be one of the first and largest government data portals in sub-Saharan Africa. With this launch, Kenya will become a leader among developing countries in the adoption of open data - a movement that is gathering momentum globally. ****
* *****
*What is **open** **data**?*****
Public information and searchable information are two different things. Much public data is already available by law but it's often not usable because it is in a format that is not easy to find, use and re-use. Published PDF files do not constitute "open data" and are not helpful to large-scale users.****
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To be open, data must be:****
**· **easily found through search engines (meta-tagged)****
**· **available in machine readable formats (CSV, XML, APIs not PDF)****
**· **accessible by third party tools/applications (interoperable)****
**· **allow others to use and re-use for non-commercial and commercial use (e.g Creative Commons Licences)****
Open Data not only increases transparency and accountability but also promotes greater efficiency and effectiveness in the delivery of public services by allowing users to easily consume and interpret data****
****
This is therefore to invite you to the launch. You can register at the door on your arrival.****
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Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya
12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street
Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke
personal contacts _______________
Cell: + 254 717 180001
skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo
____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub
Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment ****
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That then leads to the question, why host it outside Kenya? The server seems to be perpetually down, at least as far as the last tracert by Yawe and myself Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of lordmwesh Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:44 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? According to informed sources, our Open Data is hosted in USA Seatle on Soctrata platform at the SAVVIS Cloud center. The real URL address is kenya.socrata.com. OpenData.go.ke is just a clever redirect to the kenya.socrata.com subdomain. On 11 July 2011 12:08, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote: I am not very good at this, but besides the high latency numbers of over 300ms, does this imply that the data is hosted outside of Kenya? Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari <mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari> =lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 12:01 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? C:\>tracert opendata.go.ke Tracing route to opendata.go.ke [216.227.229.160] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.2 2 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41.139.207.241 3 4 ms 9 ms 15 ms 41-139-255-93.safaricombusiness.co.ke [41.139.25 5.93] 4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-94.safaricombusiness.co.ke [41.139.25 5.94] 5 5 ms 5 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-49.safaricombusiness.co.ke [41.139.25 5.49] 6 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 196.201.222.33 7 93 ms 93 ms 98 ms if-4-2-2.core1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [209.58.105 .25] 8 314 ms 295 ms 294 ms if-8-1-0-0.tcore1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [180.87. 38.17] 9 297 ms 298 ms 297 ms if-2-2.tcore2.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [180.87.38.2 ] 10 289 ms 289 ms 289 ms if-6-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.130. 5] 11 293 ms 296 ms 300 ms if-7-2.tcore2.NJY-Newark.as6453.net [80.231.130. 54] 12 298 ms 295 ms 304 ms if-9-0-0-1108.core3.NTO-NewYork.as6453.net [66.1 98.111.50] 13 296 ms 288 ms 288 ms cr2-pos-0-8-0-3.nyr.savvis.net [208.173.129.29] 14 351 ms 350 ms 349 ms cr1-pos-0-3-1-1.Seattle.savvis.net [204.70.200.6 ] 15 * 387 ms * hr2.se2-pos-9-0-0.se2.savvis.net [208.172.81.222 ] 16 342 ms 343 ms 342 ms 209.67.77.62 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 _____ From: Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 7 July, 2011 18:48:50 Subject: [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC Listers The Government of Kenya, through the Ministry of Information of Communications will launch a new Government Open Data Portal on July 8, 2011 at the KICC that will, for the first time, make several large government datasets available to the general public in an easy to search and view format. The launch will be presided over by HE President Mwai Kibaki . Program commences at 9.30 tomorrow. The web portal will allow citizens and the private sector to search and display national and county level data in graphs and maps and allow for easy comparison and analysis between datasets. For web and software developers, the portal will avail data in useable formats like cvs, Excel and will even include APIs for each dataset. The portal will be one of the first and largest government data portals in sub-Saharan Africa. With this launch, Kenya will become a leader among developing countries in the adoption of open data - a movement that is gathering momentum globally. What is open data? Public information and searchable information are two different things. Much public data is already available by law but it's often not usable because it is in a format that is not easy to find, use and re-use. Published PDF files do not constitute "open data" and are not helpful to large-scale users. To be open, data must be: . easily found through search engines (meta-tagged) . available in machine readable formats (CSV, XML, APIs not PDF) . accessible by third party tools/applications (interoperable) . allow others to use and re-use for non-commercial and commercial use (e.g Creative Commons Licences) Open Data not only increases transparency and accountability but also promotes greater efficiency and effectiveness in the delivery of public services by allowing users to easily consume and interpret data This is therefore to invite you to the launch. You can register at the door on your arrival. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lordmwesh%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- ______________________ twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com <http://transworldafrica.com/> | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke <http://kenya.or.ke/> | The Kenya we know
Good people, Sometimes we insist on seeing the trees at the expense of seeing the forest. In the larger scheme of things, where does it matter where the data is hosted? Is this more of a consideration than the availability of the data? Does it really matter that the data is in Seattle, Sears, Seaton or Senna? Does this in any way hinder our access to it?
When a ship anchor severs a submarine cable...it matters - esp when/if a provider does not have redundancy. If hosted locally, then services stay up. of course we have our own cable cuts but we could work around them easier than intl cuts. My two cowries. On 11 July 2011 16:06, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Good people,
Sometimes we insist on seeing the trees at the expense of seeing the forest.
In the larger scheme of things, where does it matter where the data is hosted? Is this more of a consideration than the availability of the data? Does it really matter that the data is in Seattle, Sears, Seaton or Senna? Does this in any way hinder our access to it?
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My greatest concern is, we do have local cloud services providers in Kenya, at least on paper - and it could have been an excellent marketing opportunity for them to showcase their capabilities by hosting the data. In this case, if it were a local that was hosting the data and the tracert had shown failure at the 12th hop, we'd all be on their case. That said, I still appreciate hugely the effort in making the data accessible. Edwin From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Francis Hook Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:14 PM To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? When a ship anchor severs a submarine cable...it matters - esp when/if a provider does not have redundancy. If hosted locally, then services stay up. of course we have our own cable cuts but we could work around them easier than intl cuts. My two cowries. On 11 July 2011 16:06, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: Good people, Sometimes we insist on seeing the trees at the expense of seeing the forest. In the larger scheme of things, where does it matter where the data is hosted? Is this more of a consideration than the availability of the data? Does it really matter that the data is in Seattle, Sears, Seaton or Senna? Does this in any way hinder our access to it? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/francis.hook%40gmail.co m The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Francis Hook +254 733 504561
Hello... For beginners this effort is quite laudable. However, it will be quite reassuring to know that this data, which will keep growing as time goes is ultimately under safe custody of the said host, since we do not physically control the infrastructure. Being a sensitive site it is, and with the high stakes attached to our national pride, I suggest security be tightened a lot on it so that we do not start seeing some potshots aimed at it, from the likes of Lulzec... And again, it will be good to load balance the site on a number of servers, across the internet cloud.. We can mirror locally, also. Harry _____ From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Francis Hook Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:14 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? When a ship anchor severs a submarine cable...it matters - esp when/if a provider does not have redundancy. If hosted locally, then services stay up. of course we have our own cable cuts but we could work around them easier than intl cuts. My two cowries. On 11 July 2011 16:06, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: Good people, Sometimes we insist on seeing the trees at the expense of seeing the forest. In the larger scheme of things, where does it matter where the data is hosted? Is this more of a consideration than the availability of the data? Does it really matter that the data is in Seattle, Sears, Seaton or Senna? Does this in any way hinder our access to it? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/francis.hook%40gmail.co m The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Francis Hook +254 733 504561
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 16:06, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Good people,
Sometimes we insist on seeing the trees at the expense of seeing the forest.
In the larger scheme of things, where does it matter where the data is hosted? Is this more of a consideration than the availability of the data? Does it really matter that the data is in Seattle, Sears, Seaton or Senna? Does this in any way hinder our access to it?
@Rad, It does matter, because it's the taxpayer's money. If the data was hosted here in Kenya, some Kenyans would get employment as a consequence (if you want to call it so). It may be expensive (than having in the US), perhaps but at the end of the day, it would be better to have that money spent here at home, than in the US. My shortsighted view. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
Washington, from a recent quick scan of the local market to try and measure cloud readiness, hosting costs seem to be the main challenge - they are 10x to 20x more. I recall a chat with a local software player who wanted to go into SaaS but could not find a suitable local host. Perhaps the local players have not quite come of age or do not have the right business model (or the volume of business is low) not just for SaaS but all manner of cloud services and hosting services. Thus even among the various players in the ecosystem (telcos, SW, HW companies), the opportunity to synergise and add value seems lacking. Some are making tentative steps though. Having said that, it would be interesting to know how many Kenyan companies host their sites locally. That in itself would be telling :-) On 11 July 2011 16:22, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 16:06, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Good people,
Sometimes we insist on seeing the trees at the expense of seeing the forest.
In the larger scheme of things, where does it matter where the data is hosted? Is this more of a consideration than the availability of the data? Does it really matter that the data is in Seattle, Sears, Seaton or Senna? Does this in any way hinder our access to it?
@Rad,
It does matter, because it's the taxpayer's money.
If the data was hosted here in Kenya, some Kenyans would get employment as a consequence (if you want to call it so). It may be expensive (than having in the US), perhaps but at the end of the day, it would be better to have that money spent here at home, than in the US.
My shortsighted view.
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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Francis, We are developing an affordable local cloud. Soon the Government Data Center (GDC) will carry some of this. The main problem is fibre cuts that we want to mitigate against through several redudancies (rings). I think you can see where costs emanate from. Last year a lone combined fibre repair due to cuts amounted to Ksh. 4 billion. Our primitive nature of competition embarrases our patriotism. I wish the discussions centred on reasons why we take some decisions. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:46:07 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Socrata is a hosted platform with a SaaS model, and they do a good job. We might criticize but very few companies in Kenya can meet such standards. Don't forget Socrata has been in the business of opening governments for a while. The service is transparent, with a Pricing catalog for governments here http://www.socrata.com/solutions/socrata-plans-and-pricing/ Its good to promote local services and products, but not possible always. For example the laptop or computer we are using is probably manufatured by an America or European country. A lister with foresight here said that it was possible to have the system developed and hosted by Kenyans but it would take 10years, while we want instant results. regards Mwendwa On 11 July 2011 15:56, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote:
That then leads to the question, why host it outside Kenya? The server seems to be perpetually down, at least as far as the last tracert by Yawe and myself****
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Edwin****
*From:* kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *lordmwesh *Sent:* Monday, July 11, 2011 3:44 PM
*To:* Edwin *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?****
** **
According to informed sources, our Open Data is hosted in USA Seatle on Soctrata platform at the SAVVIS Cloud center. The real URL address is kenya.socrata.com. OpenData.go.ke is just a clever redirect to the kenya.socrata.com subdomain.****
On 11 July 2011 12:08, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote:****
I am not very good at this, but besides the high latency numbers of over 300ms, does this imply that the data is hosted outside of Kenya?****
****
Edwin****
*From:* kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke[mailto: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *robert yawe *Sent:* Monday, July 11, 2011 12:01 PM *To:* Edwin****
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions****
*Subject:* [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?****
****
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C:\>tracert opendata.go.ke****
****
Tracing route to opendata.go.ke [216.227.229.160]****
over a maximum of 30 hops:****
****
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.2****
2 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41.139.207.241****
3 4 ms 9 ms 15 ms 41-139-255-93.safaricombusiness.co.ke[41.139.25 ****
5.93]****
4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-94.safaricombusiness.co.ke[41.139.25 ****
5.94]****
5 5 ms 5 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-49.safaricombusiness.co.ke[41.139.25 ****
5.49]****
6 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 196.201.222.33****
7 93 ms 93 ms 98 ms if-4-2-2.core1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net[209.58.105 ****
.25]****
8 314 ms 295 ms 294 ms if-8-1-0-0.tcore1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net[180.87. ****
38.17]****
9 297 ms 298 ms 297 ms if-2-2.tcore2.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net[180.87.38.2 ****
]****
10 289 ms 289 ms 289 ms if-6-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net[80.231.130. ****
5]****
11 293 ms 296 ms 300 ms if-7-2.tcore2.NJY-Newark.as6453.net[80.231.130. ****
54]****
12 298 ms 295 ms 304 ms if-9-0-0-1108.core3.NTO-NewYork.as6453.net[66.1 ****
98.111.50]****
13 296 ms 288 ms 288 ms cr2-pos-0-8-0-3.nyr.savvis.net[208.173.129.29] ****
****
14 351 ms 350 ms 349 ms cr1-pos-0-3-1-1.Seattle.savvis.net[204.70.200.6 ****
]****
15 * 387 ms * hr2.se2-pos-9-0-0.se2.savvis.net[208.172.81.222 ****
]****
16 342 ms 343 ms 342 ms 209.67.77.62****
17 * * * Request timed out.****
18 * * * Request timed out.****
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Trace complete.****
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Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya****
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696****
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*From:* Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thu, 7 July, 2011 18:48:50 *Subject:* [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC****
*Listers*****
****
****
*The Government of Kenya, through the Ministry of Information of Communications will launch a new Government Open Data Portal on July 8, 2011 at the KICC that will, for the first time, make several large government datasets available to the general public in an easy to search and view format.* ****
****
The launch will be presided over by HE President Mwai Kibaki .****
****
Program commences at 9.30 tomorrow.****
****
The web portal will allow citizens and the private sector to search and display national and county level data in graphs and maps and allow for easy comparison and analysis between datasets. ****
****
For web and software developers, the portal will avail data in useable formats like cvs, Excel and will even include APIs for each dataset.****
****
The portal will be one of the first and largest government data portals in sub-Saharan Africa. With this launch, Kenya will become a leader among developing countries in the adoption of open data - a movement that is gathering momentum globally. ****
* *****
*What is open data?*****
Public information and searchable information are two different things. Much public data is already available by law but it's often not usable because it is in a format that is not easy to find, use and re-use. Published PDF files do not constitute "open data" and are not helpful to large-scale users.****
****
To be open, data must be:****
· easily found through search engines (meta-tagged)****
· available in machine readable formats (CSV, XML, APIs not PDF)****
· accessible by third party tools/applications (interoperable)****
· allow others to use and re-use for non-commercial and commercial use (e.g Creative Commons Licences)****
Open Data not only increases transparency and accountability but also promotes greater efficiency and effectiveness in the delivery of public services by allowing users to easily consume and interpret data****
****
This is therefore to invite you to the launch. You can register at the door on your arrival.****
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Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya
12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street
Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke
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"No yet Uhuru" - Jaramogi Odinga Oginga Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 11 July, 2011 16:24:16 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? Socrata is a hosted platform with a SaaS model, and they do a good job. We might criticize but very few companies in Kenya can meet such standards. Don't forget Socrata has been in the business of opening governments for a while. The service is transparent, with a Pricing catalog for governments here http://www.socrata.com/solutions/socrata-plans-and-pricing/ Its good to promote local services and products, but not possible always. For example the laptop or computer we are using is probably manufatured by an America or European country. A lister with foresight here said that it was possible to have the system developed and hosted by Kenyans but it would take 10years, while we want instant results. regards Mwendwa On 11 July 2011 15:56, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote: That then leads to the question, why host it outside Kenya? The server seems to be perpetually down, at least as far as the last tracert by Yawe and myself
Edwin From:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of lordmwesh Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:44 PM
To: Edwin Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
According to informed sources, our Open Data is hosted in USA Seatle on Soctrata platform at the SAVVIS Cloud center. The real URL address is kenya.socrata.com. OpenData.go.ke is just a clever redirect to the kenya.socrata.com subdomain. On 11 July 2011 12:08, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote: I am not very good at this, but besides the high latency numbers of over 300ms, does this imply that the data is hosted outside of Kenya?
Edwin From:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of robert yawe Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 12:01 PM To: Edwin
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
C:\>tracert opendata.go.ke
Tracing route to opendata.go.ke [216.227.229.160] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.2 2 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41.139.207.241 3 4 ms 9 ms 15 ms 41-139-255-93.safaricombusiness.co.ke
[41.139.25
5.93] 4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-94.safaricombusiness.co.ke [41.139.25 5.94] 5 5 ms 5 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-49.safaricombusiness.co.ke [41.139.25 5.49] 6 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 196.201.222.33 7 93 ms 93 ms 98 ms if-4-2-2.core1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [209.58.105 .25] 8 314 ms 295 ms 294 ms if-8-1-0-0.tcore1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [180.87. 38.17] 9 297 ms 298 ms 297 ms if-2-2.tcore2.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net [180.87.38.2 ] 10 289 ms 289 ms 289 ms if-6-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net [80.231.130. 5] 11 293 ms 296 ms 300 ms if-7-2.tcore2.NJY-Newark.as6453.net [80.231.130. 54] 12 298 ms 295 ms 304 ms if-9-0-0-1108.core3.NTO-NewYork.as6453.net [66.1 98.111.50] 13 296 ms 288 ms 288 ms cr2-pos-0-8-0-3.nyr.savvis.net [208.173.129.29]
14 351 ms 350 ms 349 ms cr1-pos-0-3-1-1.Seattle.savvis.net [204.70.200.6 ] 15 * 387 ms * hr2.se2-pos-9-0-0.se2.savvis.net [208.172.81.222 ] 16 342 ms 343 ms 342 ms 209.67.77.62 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out.
Trace complete.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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From:Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, 7 July, 2011 18:48:50 Subject: [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC Listers
The Government of Kenya, through the Ministry of Information of Communications will launch a new Government Open Data Portal on July 8, 2011 at the KICC that will, for the first time, make several large government datasets available to the general public in an easy to search and view format.
The launch will be presided over by HE President Mwai Kibaki .
Program commences at 9.30 tomorrow.
The web portal will allow citizens and the private sector to search and display national and county level data in graphs and maps and allow for easy comparison and analysis between datasets.
For web and software developers, the portal will avail data in useable formats like cvs, Excel and will even include APIs for each dataset.
The portal will be one of the first and largest government data portals in sub-Saharan Africa. With this launch, Kenya will become a leader among developing countries in the adoption of open data - a movement that is gathering momentum globally.
What is open data? Public information and searchable information are two different things. Much public data is already available by law but it's often not usable because it is in a format that is not easy to find, use and re-use. Published PDF files do not constitute "open data" and are not helpful to large-scale users.
To be open, data must be: · easily found through search engines (meta-tagged) · available in machine readable formats (CSV, XML, APIs not PDF) · accessible by third party tools/applications (interoperable) · allow others to use and re-use for non-commercial and commercial use (e.g Creative Commons Licences) Open Data not only increases transparency and accountability but also promotes greater efficiency and effectiveness in the delivery of public services by allowing users to easily consume and interpret data
This is therefore to invite you to the launch. You can register at the door on your arrival.
Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya
12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street
Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke
personal contacts _______________
Cell: + 254 717 180001
skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo
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My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :- Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds... Regards Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:24:16 To: <info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in that the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws. LK On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds...
Regards
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Lucy All I can say is - We live in a Global Village. I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers. However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for the Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable? Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the gauntlet? Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47 To: info@alyhussein.com<info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in that the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws. LK On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds...
Regards
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:24:16 To: <info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
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to quote Conrad "This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable prices and services." We should not hit ourselves too much. It will take decades to reach the level of SAVVIS, Softlayer, Amazon, Rackspace, et al. in providing affordable solutions. It has been discussed on this list time and time again the problems we face in Kenya and other developing countries. 1. Energy: - How can we compete with countries using nuclear power while our hydo power is not enough to light all our bulbs? 2. Even if we amalgamated all our locally hosted content to one datacenter half the size of the Amazon's cloud, would the businessman achieve ROI? Would we achieve prices close to those in USA? 3. Do we have enough and competent human resource capacity to maintain the infrastructure, code, and implement world class hosting companies? 4. Are our innovations and R&D capable to make us remain competitive even when business dynamics shift? At another forum, Google's Mucheru was asked why they are not setting servers in Kenya! His answer was "The bottom line is Return on investment" Regards Mwendwa On 11/07/2011, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Lucy
All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers. However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for the Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the gauntlet?
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47 To: info@alyhussein.com<info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in that the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws.
LK
On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds...
Regards
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:24:16 To: <info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
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Mwendwa Another "aha" moment where I choose to see the glass as being half full and not half empty:-) IMHO the undersea cables were much more of a daunting task than data centers, and I am glad to see elsewhere that according to PS Ndemo, the GOK has almost completed their data centers so it will not take decades for a local solution. Also a public and private sector model similar to the Cables seems to have worked out quite well so should Google fail to see the business opportunity then perhaps Microsoft, IBM, SaS or even Amazon and locally as Ali challenged, KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange etc would be willing to fill in the gap. Whoever decides to step up their game could lead and gain a giant market share in cloud computing akin to what Safricom did and everyone else has been playing catch up ever since.... I have faith in the capacity of the mwanainchi to maintain and innovate even further. LK --- On Mon, 7/11/11, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote: From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? To: lkimani@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 3:55 PM to quote Conrad "This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable prices and services." We should not hit ourselves too much. It will take decades to reach the level of SAVVIS, Softlayer, Amazon, Rackspace, et al. in providing affordable solutions. It has been discussed on this list time and time again the problems we face in Kenya and other developing countries. 1. Energy: - How can we compete with countries using nuclear power while our hydo power is not enough to light all our bulbs? 2. Even if we amalgamated all our locally hosted content to one datacenter half the size of the Amazon's cloud, would the businessman achieve ROI? Would we achieve prices close to those in USA? 3. Do we have enough and competent human resource capacity to maintain the infrastructure, code, and implement world class hosting companies? 4. Are our innovations and R&D capable to make us remain competitive even when business dynamics shift? At another forum, Google's Mucheru was asked why they are not setting servers in Kenya! His answer was "The bottom line is Return on investment" Regards Mwendwa On 11/07/2011, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Lucy
All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers. However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for the Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the gauntlet?
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47 To: info@alyhussein.com<info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in that the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws.
LK
On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds...
Regards
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Interesting points listers, let us not give up on motherland, i would be content if the current arrangement is just a stop gap measure and that at some point in the near future we will have opendata.go.ke hosted locally, i cast my vote with Washi albeit ignorantly that at least a new job will be created locally, to say the least didnt we pull it off with mpesa?, we are too obsessed with ROI to the extent that we can not even set aside money for R&D, if we cant attempt, who will do it? reminds me of a story about a pit latrine built in one of the remote areas of our country which was hardly used by the locals..reasons..they were not involved..my two cents..err..cowries as well :-) On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mwendwa
Another "aha" moment where I choose to see the glass as being half full and not half empty:-) IMHO the undersea cables were much more of a daunting task than data centers, and I am glad to see elsewhere that according to PS Ndemo, the GOK has almost completed their data centers so it will not take decades for a local solution. Also a public and private sector model similar to the Cables seems to have worked out quite well so should Google fail to see the business opportunity then perhaps Microsoft, IBM, SaS or even Amazon and locally as Ali challenged, KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange etc would be willing to fill in the gap. Whoever decides to step up their game could lead and gain a giant market share in cloud computing akin to what Safricom did and everyone else has been playing catch up ever since.... I have faith in the capacity of the mwanainchi to maintain and innovate even further.
LK
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to quote Conrad "This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable prices and services."
We should not hit ourselves too much. It will take decades to reach the level of SAVVIS, Softlayer, Amazon, Rackspace, et al. in providing affordable solutions. It has been discussed on this list time and time again the problems we face in Kenya and other developing countries.
1. Energy: - How can we compete with countries using nuclear power while our hydo power is not enough to light all our bulbs? 2. Even if we amalgamated all our locally hosted content to one datacenter half the size of the Amazon's cloud, would the businessman achieve ROI? Would we achieve prices close to those in USA? 3. Do we have enough and competent human resource capacity to maintain the infrastructure, code, and implement world class hosting companies? 4. Are our innovations and R&D capable to make us remain competitive even when business dynamics shift?
At another forum, Google's Mucheru was asked why they are not setting servers in Kenya! His answer was "The bottom line is Return on investment"
Regards Mwendwa
Lucy
All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers. However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for
Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the gauntlet?
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
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All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in
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the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws.
LK
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My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds...
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@Barrack - I think parts of this thread can help feed into the IGF discussions of the other week. I think opendata.go.ke has been timely and may have helped listers understand the cloud a little more - and the thunder that might lurk therein... On 12 July 2011 07:17, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting points listers, let us not give up on motherland, i would be content if the current arrangement is just a stop gap measure and that at some point in the near future we will have opendata.go.ke hosted locally, i cast my vote with Washi albeit ignorantly that at least a new job will be created locally, to say the least didnt we pull it off with mpesa?, we are too obsessed with ROI to the extent that we can not even set aside money for R&D, if we cant attempt, who will do it? reminds me of a story about a pit latrine built in one of the remote areas of our country which was hardly used by the locals..reasons..they were not involved..my two cents..err..cowries as well :-)
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mwendwa
Another "aha" moment where I choose to see the glass as being half full and not half empty:-) IMHO the undersea cables were much more of a daunting task than data centers, and I am glad to see elsewhere that according to PS Ndemo, the GOK has almost completed their data centers so it will not take decades for a local solution. Also a public and private sector model similar to the Cables seems to have worked out quite well so should Google fail to see the business opportunity then perhaps Microsoft, IBM, SaS or even Amazon and locally as Ali challenged, KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange etc would be willing to fill in the gap. Whoever decides to step up their game could lead and gain a giant market share in cloud computing akin to what Safricom did and everyone else has been playing catch up ever since.... I have faith in the capacity of the mwanainchi to maintain and innovate even further.
LK
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to quote Conrad "This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable prices and services."
We should not hit ourselves too much. It will take decades to reach the level of SAVVIS, Softlayer, Amazon, Rackspace, et al. in providing affordable solutions. It has been discussed on this list time and time again the problems we face in Kenya and other developing countries.
1. Energy: - How can we compete with countries using nuclear power while our hydo power is not enough to light all our bulbs? 2. Even if we amalgamated all our locally hosted content to one datacenter half the size of the Amazon's cloud, would the businessman achieve ROI? Would we achieve prices close to those in USA? 3. Do we have enough and competent human resource capacity to maintain the infrastructure, code, and implement world class hosting companies? 4. Are our innovations and R&D capable to make us remain competitive even when business dynamics shift?
At another forum, Google's Mucheru was asked why they are not setting servers in Kenya! His answer was "The bottom line is Return on investment"
Regards Mwendwa
Lucy
All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers. However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for
Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the gauntlet?
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in
On 11/07/2011, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=info@alyhussein.com>> wrote: the that
the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws.
LK
On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info@alyhussein.com<http://us.mc1206.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=info@alyhussein.com>> wrote:
My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds...
Regards
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Thats correct Francis, very insightfull thoughts on this thread. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
@Barrack - I think parts of this thread can help feed into the IGF discussions of the other week. I think opendata.go.ke has been timely and may have helped listers understand the cloud a little more - and the thunder that might lurk therein...
On 12 July 2011 07:17, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting points listers, let us not give up on motherland, i would be content if the current arrangement is just a stop gap measure and that at some point in the near future we will have opendata.go.ke hosted locally, i cast my vote with Washi albeit ignorantly that at least a new job will be created locally, to say the least didnt we pull it off with mpesa?, we are too obsessed with ROI to the extent that we can not even set aside money for R&D, if we cant attempt, who will do it? reminds me of a story about a pit latrine built in one of the remote areas of our country which was hardly used by the locals..reasons..they were not involved..my two cents..err..cowries as well :-)
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mwendwa
Another "aha" moment where I choose to see the glass as being half full and not half empty:-) IMHO the undersea cables were much more of a daunting task than data centers, and I am glad to see elsewhere that according to PS Ndemo, the GOK has almost completed their data centers so it will not take decades for a local solution. Also a public and private sector model similar to the Cables seems to have worked out quite well so should Google fail to see the business opportunity then perhaps Microsoft, IBM, SaS or even Amazon and locally as Ali challenged, KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange etc would be willing to fill in the gap. Whoever decides to step up their game could lead and gain a giant market share in cloud computing akin to what Safricom did and everyone else has been playing catch up ever since.... I have faith in the capacity of the mwanainchi to maintain and innovate even further.
LK
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Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 3:55 PM
to quote Conrad "This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable prices and services."
We should not hit ourselves too much. It will take decades to reach the level of SAVVIS, Softlayer, Amazon, Rackspace, et al. in providing affordable solutions. It has been discussed on this list time and time again the problems we face in Kenya and other developing countries.
1. Energy: - How can we compete with countries using nuclear power while our hydo power is not enough to light all our bulbs? 2. Even if we amalgamated all our locally hosted content to one datacenter half the size of the Amazon's cloud, would the businessman achieve ROI? Would we achieve prices close to those in USA? 3. Do we have enough and competent human resource capacity to maintain the infrastructure, code, and implement world class hosting companies? 4. Are our innovations and R&D capable to make us remain competitive even when business dynamics shift?
At another forum, Google's Mucheru was asked why they are not setting servers in Kenya! His answer was "The bottom line is Return on investment"
Regards Mwendwa
Lucy
All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers. However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for
Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the gauntlet?
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All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US
would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in
the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws.
LK
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My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds...
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Barrack, You can never replace the teacher. By providing content to students, you only force the teacher to be more prepared or else the student gets bored. You will enable lively discussions instead of teachers reading notes to studentsm There are content opportunities on tertiary education especially on how to do it yourself. These opportunities lie from plumbing to carpentry. We talk about unemployment yet we have broken cistern pouring expensive water, broken sewers spewing diseases, broken furniture, broken vehicles etc. Then there are economic opportunities in delaying consumption. How to dry tomatoes, potatoes, mangoes etc. We must start to think beyond our selfish ends. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 07:17:26 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I think I have probably mentioned this once already a while ago: A few years ago, I did an article on Intel's Classmate mini-netbook. When kids use this netbook, they made huge progress in learning. But, Intel emphasised, only under certain conditions: the teachers have to be trained on how to integrate the Classmate and the teaching materials on it into their lesson plan. And they had to have teaching materials developed for the Classmate and the use of digital media. If anything, using this gadget put higher requirements on the teachers. I think this is particularly important with young pupils because you effectively need to teach them how to learn first. Once they've achieved that, digital learning materials will be come a lot easier for them. That's aside from issues like having power, connectivity, and having a means of ensuring that the gadgets don't get stolen. Those brick and mortar issues are important. Bridge International Academies here in Nairobi have chosen a different approach: as far as I know, they don't use such gadgets for their kids, but they have streamlined everything in the management of the schools as much as possible to bring costs down. They invest a lot of money into their teaching materials and lesson plans, though, and also in teacher training. That allows them to keep school fees down to about the same sum that parents have to pay in 'free primary education schools' for desk fee, motivation fee etc, but provide a teaching quality that is infinitely higher. Have a good afternoon, Andrea On 12 July 2011 12:35, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, You can never replace the teacher. By providing content to students, you only force the teacher to be more prepared or else the student gets bored. You will enable lively discussions instead of teachers reading notes to studentsm
There are content opportunities on tertiary education especially on how to do it yourself. These opportunities lie from plumbing to carpentry. We talk about unemployment yet we have broken cistern pouring expensive water, broken sewers spewing diseases, broken furniture, broken vehicles etc.
Then there are economic opportunities in delaying consumption. How to dry tomatoes, potatoes, mangoes etc.
We must start to think beyond our selfish ends.
Ndemo.
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* Use ICT as a tool for students to learn at their own pace, and in their own personal style of learning * Focus on the student and the actual learning environment * Create an immersive and personal learning experience, instead of ―one-size-fits-all * Enable learning outside the classroom (i.e. anywhere/anytime)
Hi Andrea That is true to a certain extent only – the classmate is just a tool towards the greater goal of a holistic 1:1 eLearning in which Teacher Professional Development, content, connectivity play a bigger role. There is no such thing as “teaching materials developed for the Classmate and the use of digital media”, only the fact that delivery using ICT tools requires digital media which can be configured for a classmate, a netbook, a notebook, a desktop etc. Teachers if they were to integrate ICT in Education WILL require training. On the issue of Teacher Professional Development, this is overdue in the Kenya education scenario because traditional pedagogical approach does not maximize outcomes: 1. Increased amount of available knowledge and pace of change requires new approach to acquire and develop knowledge. 2. The current methodology for teaching is outdated and needs a more interactive approach 3. Foundation for Knowledge Creation is based on 21st Century Skills, which are: 4. Different learners have different abilities to learn which are not being addressed by the current teaching practices. We must investigate personalized learning to a certain extent to be able to develop the majority of the learners ability to grasp and acquire knowledge with easier methods New technology trends mean: 1. Personalization has and can take place without technology, but not at scale 2. Technology dramatically increases a teacher's ability to identify and manage the needs of many students, and for students to access a large variety of interventions, content, resources, and learning opportunities everywhere at anytime 3. Optimal Environment for students to develop 21st century skills and maximize their academic potential using ICT 4. A 1:1 usage model is the ideal implementation of “Personalized Learning” Intel signed an MOU with Ministry of Education back in 2008 to promote training in the usage of ICT in everyday classroom. It does not endeavour to make ICT professionals out of teachers, but merely train them on the use of ICT as a tool for their everyday work. The course is Intel Teach Getting Started makes no assumptions of prior ICT knowledge of teachers and takes them through a face to face training on how to integrate basic ICT in Education and to move away from a teacher centric learning to a student centric learning where the teacher is still as important but plays a bigger role of facilitator instead of just spewing information. We have trained 9 million teachers in 60 countries by 2009. In Kenya MoE has not played its part in funding this course so the uptake is slow. Through CEMASTEA, MoE’s identified training partners, we have trained 5000 preservice and inservice teachers in the last 12 months. The course is FREE for all teachers. Suraj Shah On 7/12/11 1:22 PM, "Andrea Bohnstedt" <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
I think I have probably mentioned this once already a while ago: A few years ago, I did an article on Intel's Classmate mini-netbook. When kids use this netbook, they made huge progress in learning. But, Intel emphasised, only under certain conditions: the teachers have to be trained on how to integrate the Classmate and the teaching materials on it into their lesson plan. And they had to have teaching materials developed for the Classmate and the use of digital media. If anything, using this gadget put higher requirements on the teachers.
I think this is particularly important with young pupils because you effectively need to teach them how to learn first. Once they've achieved that, digital learning materials will be come a lot easier for them.
That's aside from issues like having power, connectivity, and having a means of ensuring that the gadgets don't get stolen. Those brick and mortar issues are important.
Bridge International Academies here in Nairobi have chosen a different approach: as far as I know, they don't use such gadgets for their kids, but they have streamlined everything in the management of the schools as much as possible to bring costs down. They invest a lot of money into their teaching materials and lesson plans, though, and also in teacher training. That allows them to keep school fees down to about the same sum that parents have to pay in 'free primary education schools' for desk fee, motivation fee etc, but provide a teaching quality that is infinitely higher.
Have a good afternoon, Andrea
On 12 July 2011 12:35, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, You can never replace the teacher. By providing content to students, you only force the teacher to be more prepared or else the student gets bored. You will enable lively discussions instead of teachers reading notes to studentsm
There are content opportunities on tertiary education especially on how to do it yourself. These opportunities lie from plumbing to carpentry. We talk about unemployment yet we have broken cistern pouring expensive water, broken sewers spewing diseases, broken furniture, broken vehicles etc.
Then there are economic opportunities in delaying consumption. How to dry tomatoes, potatoes, mangoes etc.
We must start to think beyond our selfish ends.
Ndemo.
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Hi Andrea
That is true to a certain extent only – the classmate is just a tool towards the greater goal of a holistic 1:1 eLearning in which Teacher Professional Development, content, connectivity play a bigger role. There is no such thing as “teaching materials developed for the Classmate and the use of digital media”, only the fact that delivery using ICT tools requires digital media which can be configured for a classmate, a netbook, a notebook, a desktop etc. Teachers if they were to integrate ICT in Education WILL require training.
* Technology and media literacy * Effective communication * Critical thinking * Problem solving * Collaboration
On the issue of Teacher Professional Development, this is overdue in the Kenya education scenario because traditional pedagogical approach does not maximize outcomes: 1. Increased amount of available knowledge and pace of change requires new approach to acquire and develop knowledge. 2. The current methodology for teaching is outdated and needs a more interactive approach 3. Foundation for Knowledge Creation is based on 21st Century Skills, which are: 4. Different learners have different abilities to learn which are not being addressed by the current teaching practices. We must investigate personalized learning to a certain extent to be able to develop the majority of the learners ability to grasp and acquire knowledge with easier methods
* Use ICT as a tool for students to learn at their own pace, and in their own personal style of learning * Focus on the student and the actual learning environment * Create an immersive and personal learning experience, instead of ―one-size-fits-all * Enable learning outside the classroom (i.e. anywhere/anytime)
New technology trends mean: 1. Personalization has and can take place without technology, but not at scale 2. Technology dramatically increases a teacher's ability to identify and manage the needs of many students, and for students to access a large variety of interventions, content, resources, and learning opportunities everywhere at anytime 3. Optimal Environment for students to develop 21st century skills and maximize their academic potential using ICT 4. A 1:1 usage model is the ideal implementation of “Personalized Learning”
Intel signed an MOU with Ministry of Education back in 2008 to promote training in the usage of ICT in everyday classroom. It does not endeavour to make ICT professionals out of teachers, but merely train them on the use of ICT as a tool for their everyday work. The course is Intel Teach Getting Started makes no assumptions of prior ICT knowledge of teachers and takes them through a face to face training on how to integrate basic ICT in Education and to move away from a teacher centric learning to a student centric learning where the teacher is still as important but plays a bigger role of facilitator instead of just spewing information. We have trained 9 million teachers in 60 countries by 2009. In Kenya MoE has not played its part in funding this course so the uptake is slow. Through CEMASTEA, MoE’s identified training partners, we have trained 5000 preservice and inservice teachers in the last 12 months. The course is FREE for all teachers.
Suraj Shah
On 7/12/11 1:22 PM, "Andrea Bohnstedt" < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
I think I have probably mentioned this once already a while ago: A few years ago, I did an article on Intel's Classmate mini-netbook. When kids use
netbook, they made huge progress in learning. But, Intel emphasised, only under certain conditions: the teachers have to be trained on how to integrate the Classmate and the teaching materials on it into their lesson plan. And they had to have teaching materials developed for the Classmate and the use of digital media. If anything, using this gadget put higher requirements on
teachers.
I think this is particularly important with young pupils because you effectively need to teach them how to learn first. Once they've achieved
digital learning materials will be come a lot easier for them.
That's aside from issues like having power, connectivity, and having a means of ensuring that the gadgets don't get stolen. Those brick and mortar issues are important.
Bridge International Academies here in Nairobi have chosen a different approach: as far as I know, they don't use such gadgets for their kids, but they have streamlined everything in the management of the schools as much as possible to bring costs down. They invest a lot of money into their teaching materials and lesson plans, though, and also in teacher training. That allows them to keep school fees down to about the same sum that parents have to
Suraj, Do you have a slideshare on what Intel is providing teachers with? Curriculum details, that is. Teaching / promoting collaboration is not easy especially in societies where there is great social diversity. SMM On Jul 13, 2011 9:16 AM, "Suraj Shah" <suraj@surajshah.co.ke> wrote: this the that, pay
in 'free primary education schools' for desk fee, motivation fee etc, but provide a teaching quality that is infinitely higher.
Have a good afternoon, Andrea
On 12 July 2011 12:35, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Barrack, You can never replace the teacher. By providing content to students, you only force the teacher to be more prepared or else the student gets bored. You will enable lively discussions instead of teachers reading notes to studentsm
There are content opportunities on tertiary education especially on how to do it yourself. These opportunities lie from plumbing to carpentry. We talk about unemployment yet we have broken cistern pouring expensive water, broken sewers spewing diseases, broken furniture, broken vehicles etc.
Then there are economic opportunities in delaying consumption. How to dry tomatoes, potatoes, mangoes etc.
We must start to think beyond our selfish ends.
Ndemo.
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Suraj, Forget about teaching teahers how to use computers. They forget quickly. Let us simply focus on providing access to students. They will figure out and most importantly spread the teaching to parents and teachers. This is how the use of mobile telephony spread. Teachers will undermine you for fear of losing their jobs to computers. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Suraj Shah <suraj@surajshah.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:18:35 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} Re: Open Data - Where does it sit? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Interesting school of thought Dr. Ndemo :-) On 7/13/11, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Suraj, Forget about teaching teahers how to use computers. They forget quickly. Let us simply focus on providing access to students. They will figure out and most importantly spread the teaching to parents and teachers. This is how the use of mobile telephony spread. Teachers will undermine you for fear of losing their jobs to computers.
Ndemo.
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On 7/13/11 12:42 PM, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:
Suraj, Forget about teaching teahers how to use computers. They forget quickly. Let us simply focus on providing access to students. They will figure out and most importantly spread the teaching to parents and teachers. This is how the use of mobile telephony spread. Teachers will undermine you for fear of losing their jobs to computers.
+1 Regards, Michuki.
The Hole in the wall experiment Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 13 July, 2011 12:42:44 Subject: Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} Re: Open Data - Where does it sit? Suraj, Forget about teaching teahers how to use computers. They forget quickly. Let us simply focus on providing access to students. They will figure out and most importantly spread the teaching to parents and teachers. This is how the use of mobile telephony spread. Teachers will undermine you for fear of losing their jobs to computers. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Suraj Shah <suraj@surajshah.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:18:35 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] {Disarmed} Re: Open Data - Where does it sit? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.u... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Hi Ali I think Infocom are already leading the way with a proposed shared Tier IV datacentre. Then it will be up to vendors to gravitate around this to offer their XaaS among other things On 11 July 2011 19:28, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Lucy
All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers. However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for the Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the gauntlet?
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47 To: info@alyhussein.com<info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in that the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws.
LK
On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds...
Regards
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Francis Thanks for the heads up on the Infocom information. It just goes to show what an enlightened and forward thinking government in partnership with the private sector can achieve. @ Barrack, I do agree that local hosting is eventually the best bet to go and I do hope that all of us will play a part in it instead of relying on some amorphous being to take us there....Hence my challenge to all of us... Regards -- Ali Hussein On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Ali I think Infocom are already leading the way with a proposed shared Tier IV datacentre. Then it will be up to vendors to gravitate around this to offer their XaaS among other things
On 11 July 2011 19:28, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Lucy
All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers. However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for the Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the gauntlet?
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47 To: info@alyhussein.com<info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in that the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws.
LK
On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds...
Regards
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:24:16 To: <info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
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Are we blaming the government for Kenya not having a ready enough data centre to host the data. Let he who has a data centre capable enough to host the open data come forth and say "naomba serikali inisaidie" If none, go ye and work hard enough for the next data sets. On 12 July 2011 08:03, Hussein, Ali <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Francis
Thanks for the heads up on the Infocom information. It just goes to show what an enlightened and forward thinking government in partnership with the private sector can achieve.
@ Barrack, I do agree that local hosting is eventually the best bet to go and I do hope that all of us will play a part in it instead of relying on some amorphous being to take us there....Hence my challenge to all of us...
Regards
-- Ali Hussein
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Ali I think Infocom are already leading the way with a proposed shared Tier IV datacentre. Then it will be up to vendors to gravitate around this to offer their XaaS among other things
On 11 July 2011 19:28, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Lucy
All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers. However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for the Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the gauntlet?
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47 To: info@alyhussein.com<info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in that the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws.
LK
On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds...
Regards
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Dennis, I beg to differ, I take this comments to be constructive criticism, the government is supposed to be a key driver of innovation and growth its major role being a facilitator, listers are ranting because in as much as the initiative at hand is great, it also has far reaching implications on innovation and growth of the local ICT sector, those who have argued against have tried to put across valid reasons. On 7/12/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Are we blaming the government for Kenya not having a ready enough data centre to host the data. Let he who has a data centre capable enough to host the open data come forth and say "naomba serikali inisaidie" If none, go ye and work hard enough for the next data sets.
On 12 July 2011 08:03, Hussein, Ali <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Francis
Thanks for the heads up on the Infocom information. It just goes to show what an enlightened and forward thinking government in partnership with the private sector can achieve.
@ Barrack, I do agree that local hosting is eventually the best bet to go and I do hope that all of us will play a part in it instead of relying on some amorphous being to take us there....Hence my challenge to all of us...
Regards
-- Ali Hussein
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Ali I think Infocom are already leading the way with a proposed shared Tier IV datacentre. Then it will be up to vendors to gravitate around this to offer their XaaS among other things
On 11 July 2011 19:28, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Lucy
All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers. However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for the Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the gauntlet?
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47 To: info@alyhussein.com<info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in that the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws.
LK
On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two worlds...
Regards
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:24:16 To: <info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
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Allow me to post part of a posting that I made recently on another list. "*The final chapter: Code as a Universal Raw Material* Much as we appreciate the advances in Technology in fancy boxes and functionality, I believe Code is the atom and the raw material that drives every technology devices in existence. Some may argue that semiconductors or even super conductors will change the global map on communications and platforms; it is Code that translates the functionality of semiconductors into useful mechanisms. Whether a low-level pulse generator to high level complex systems. Since we never developed code, but because of the hard work and visions of others who wrote the code, the world today is a much different place. Those that shared code, and allowed it to be further developed to suit others have given something to the world that has value beyond any billion dollar industries. The knowledge and capacity to create using the code atom is within our grasp. In the developing world where we cannot afford to do anything from the ground upwards, whether semiconductors to jet fuel to space age materials to pharmaceuticals, we now have access to the most powerful universal raw material that even the billion dollar industries depend on. We are now equal with most global Research & Development departments, but we lack are the funds to match any research development. To remove partial blame from you and me, we know that until Governments fulfill their side of commitments to growth and stimulus plans, we are not going to be able to achieve much. Yet we have the Code Atom in our hands. We have the heart of all technologies within reach, within our minds to push the barriers further. We have the raw materials and the knowledge to create. We no longer lack any vital ingredient that needs to be imported, we have it now. We don’t create because we need to survive first. And we are at the mercy of government systems that will ensure we remain in the same place for decades to come. They will ensure that while you can take the Code and change things, they cannot allow it to happen. They compare us to failed road contractors, to failed engineers, to failed projects that are meant to show our in competencies, to failed corrupt practices that are not in our control and the failed versions of the propoganda continues to fill the minds of many. Many who have lost every confidence in us all and choose to ignore and open their minds that we do not need help; we are very much capable of helping ourselves achieve a lot. "
"naomba nisaidie serikali " Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tue, 12 July, 2011 9:38:23 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? Are we blaming the government for Kenya not having a ready enough data centre to host the data. Let he who has a data centre capable enough to host the open data come forth and say "naomba serikali inisaidie" If none, go ye and work hard enough for the next data sets. On 12 July 2011 08:03, Hussein, Ali <info@alyhussein.com> wrote: Francis
Thanks for the heads up on the Infocom information. It just goes to show what an enlightened and forward thinking government in partnership with the private sector can achieve.
@ Barrack, I do agree that local hosting is eventually the best bet to go and I do hope that all of us will play a part in it instead of relying on some amorphous being to take us there....Hence my challenge to all of us...
Regards
-- Ali Hussein
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ali
I think Infocom are already leading the way with a proposed shared Tier IV datacentre. Then it will be up to vendors to gravitate around this to offer their XaaS among other things
On 11 July 2011 19:28, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
Lucy
All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers. However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for the Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the
gauntlet?
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47 To: info@alyhussein.com<info@alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in that the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by the laws.
LK
On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two
worlds...
Regards
Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
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In economics we talk of economies of scale as a strategy to lower cost. If we all produced as much content, there will be economies of scale to justify large data centers. If we spent more time complaining, some outsiders will see glaring content opportunities here. Then you begin to blame it on government. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Hussein, Ali" <info@alyhussein.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 08:03:38 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
In my amateur view of what is happening in KE is a reflection of what is happening to all developing countries. They are all dependent on 99% imports and ever since independence, they all have the common factors of economic policies that have left us in difficulties, poverty and very slow growth rates. The end result was that such policies made us all entreprenuers of goods, not creations nor developments. We now only have the mental capacities to create more profits based on external goods and services. We are not part of a global village, as we do not contribute anywhere globally. We are big buyers in the global village. However, to put this thread to a further discussion, I'd like to get an opinion from e.g. Safaricom as a Data Centre Operator because I believe they have the technical and infrastructure capacity to own the cloud process and make it available to kenyans. Was Safaricom unable to purchase a hosting solution to match govt requirements? This will help explain the domino effects of hosting externally. Thank you. **
Thanks Mwendwa, I will never understand our people. Sometime back I made real effort to have local production of computers (e-mado) hoping to go through a learning curve and some day we start to manufacture our own light electronics. This was quickly shunned the same way we did to Nyayo Pioneer. We could not afford to buy Socrata and the help from WB was not much and so we opted for SAAS. This is one of a kind application whith developed capacity in open government and visualization. Indeed my primary motivation was to open our own knowledge to our people and open opportunities for developing our own visualization application. If only we can see opportunity as much as we see doom, Kenya will be far. Regards Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 16:24:16 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Listers, Here is a writeup on the Kenya Open Data hosted by Socrata http://www.socrata.com/newsroom/press-releases/kenya-launches-socrata-powere... Etinick Mutinda On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:01 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
C:\>tracert opendata.go.ke
Tracing route to opendata.go.ke [216.227.229.160] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.2 2 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41.139.207.241 3 4 ms 9 ms 15 ms 41-139-255-93.safaricombusiness.co.ke[41.139.25 5.93] 4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-94.safaricombusiness.co.ke[41.139.25 5.94] 5 5 ms 5 ms 4 ms 41-139-255-49.safaricombusiness.co.ke[41.139.25 5.49] 6 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms 196.201.222.33 7 93 ms 93 ms 98 ms if-4-2-2.core1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net<http://if-4-2-2.core1.mlv-mumbai.as6453.net/>[209.58.105 .25] 8 314 ms 295 ms 294 ms if-8-1-0-0.tcore1.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net<http://if-8-1-0-0.tcore1.mlv-mumbai.as6453.net/>[180.87. 38.17] 9 297 ms 298 ms 297 ms if-2-2.tcore2.MLV-Mumbai.as6453.net<http://if-2-2.tcore2.mlv-mumbai.as6453.net/>[180.87.38.2 ] 10 289 ms 289 ms 289 ms if-6-2.tcore1.L78-London.as6453.net<http://if-6-2.tcore1.l78-london.as6453.net/>[80.231.130. 5] 11 293 ms 296 ms 300 ms if-7-2.tcore2.NJY-Newark.as6453.net<http://if-7-2.tcore2.njy-newark.as6453.net/>[80.231.130. 54] 12 298 ms 295 ms 304 ms if-9-0-0-1108.core3.NTO-NewYork.as6453.net<http://if-9-0-0-1108.core3.nto-newyork.as6453.net/>[66.1 98.111.50] 13 296 ms 288 ms 288 ms cr2-pos-0-8-0-3.nyr.savvis.net[208.173.129.29]
14 351 ms 350 ms 349 ms cr1-pos-0-3-1-1.Seattle.savvis.net<http://cr1-pos-0-3-1-1.seattle.savvis.net/>[204.70.200.6 ] 15 * 387 ms * hr2.se2-pos-9-0-0.se2.savvis.net[208.172.81.222 ] 16 342 ms 343 ms 342 ms 209.67.77.62 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out.
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Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
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------------------------------ *From:* Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thu, 7 July, 2011 18:48:50 *Subject:* [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC
*Listers*
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*The Government of Kenya, through the Ministry of Information of Communications will launch a new Government Open Data Portal on July 8, 2011 at the KICC that will, for the first time, make several large government datasets available to the general public in an easy to search and view format.*
The launch will be presided over by HE President Mwai Kibaki .
Program commences at 9.30 tomorrow.
The web portal will allow citizens and the private sector to search and display national and county level data in graphs and maps and allow for easy comparison and analysis between datasets. ****
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For web and software developers, the portal will avail data in useable formats like cvs, Excel and will even include APIs for each dataset.****
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The portal will be one of the first and largest government data portals in sub-Saharan Africa. With this launch, Kenya will become a leader among developing countries in the adoption of open data - a movement that is gathering momentum globally. ****
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*What is open data?*****
Public information and searchable information are two different things. Much public data is already available by law but it's often not usable because it is in a format that is not easy to find, use and re-use. Published PDF files do not constitute "open data" and are not helpful to large-scale users.****
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To be open, data must be:****
- easily found through search engines (meta-tagged)**** - available in machine readable formats (CSV, XML, APIs not PDF)**** - accessible by third party tools/applications (interoperable)**** - allow others to use and re-use for non-commercial and commercial use (e.g Creative Commons Licences)****
Open Data not only increases transparency and accountability but also promotes greater efficiency and effectiveness in the delivery of public services by allowing users to easily consume and interpret data****
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This is therefore to invite you to the launch. You can register at the door on your arrival.
Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya
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Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke
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I am interested in getting partners to run some solutions as IAAS and SAAS and being a patriotic Kenyan I first attempted to get quotes for what I wanted. My findings I am sad to say were 1. Few providers even understand the concept of SAAS & IAAS. To spare embarrassment to employees who have on their payroll engineers unable to differentiate the cloud from websites, I won't name names 2. Those that do have laughable prices. I fiercely love my country and its people but my friends I refuse to pay 10-45 times the prices I am getting at Amazon / Microsoft / Rackspace because the providers are Kenyan. (Yes. That was 45 times) This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable prices and services. Remember the Ministry also has a fiscal responsibility to spend our taxes wisely. If all things are held constant I will pick a local provider any day of the week and twice on sunday but at 45 times the price? And with no redundancy? I am afraid not.
Listers Indeed this is a journey. I have just received a call from someone who is totally blown away by his ability to visualize some of the data. I urge listers to do deep into the site. http://www.opendata.go.ke/Counties/Proportion-of-Parcels-Operated-by-Owners-... This is one where the visualization was for Proportion of Parcels Operated by Owners with Title Deed by county<http://www.opendata.go.ke/Counties/Proportion-of-Parcels-Operated-by-Owners-with-Titl/5im7-udpm#revert> . As of now the portal has 290 data sets on the portal. This is unprecedented for Kenya. My humble advice, get the mathematicians, statisticians, marketers out there to work with the techies to do interesting interpretations. Use the data. It is open. Citizens need to be engaged and this provides opportunities. Regards Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I am interested in getting partners to run some solutions as IAAS and SAAS and being a patriotic Kenyan I first attempted to get quotes for what I wanted. My findings I am sad to say were
1. Few providers even understand the concept of SAAS & IAAS. To spare embarrassment to employees who have on their payroll engineers unable to differentiate the cloud from websites, I won't name names 2. Those that do have laughable prices. I fiercely love my country and its people but my friends I refuse to pay 10-45 times the prices I am getting at Amazon / Microsoft / Rackspace because the providers are Kenyan. (Yes. That was 45 times)
This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable prices and services.
Remember the Ministry also has a fiscal responsibility to spend our taxes wisely.
If all things are held constant I will pick a local provider any day of the week and twice on sunday but at 45 times the price? And with no redundancy? I am afraid not.
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On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Few providers even understand the concept of SAAS & IAAS. To spare embarrassment to employees who have on their payroll engineers unable to differentiate the cloud from websites, I won't name names Those that do have laughable prices. I fiercely love my country and its people but my friends I refuse to pay 10-45 times the prices I am getting at Amazon / Microsoft / Rackspace because the providers are Kenyan. (Yes. That was 45 times)
I have experienced the same thing. Most of our local hosting providers have not matured the product, but are charging a fortune for the same. Further from this, as far as I know, we don't have any stable & mature PaaS (Platform as a Service) providers locally, anybody with contrary information kindly correct... -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 720 406 093 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ |
Hi Rad, I agree with you on the lack of local capacity within the so called ISP community, a company I mentor offers their data stream services using the SAAS model and after running around discussing with those providers who have no appreciation of the various technologies it was realised that it made more sense to set-up a data centre. The organisation has put up the data centre with redundant links, air conditioning , long run power backup and fire suppressants at a monthly operating cost equivalent to one quarter what they would have been paying for collocation and a tenth on a hosting package. They are experiencing new headaches every day but they are not about to through in the towel, recently they have received enquiries from other organisations who would like to utilise the facility an issue the organisation is seriously looking into. Since the KICT Board is no longer subsidising the BPO organisations international bandwidth maybe those funds could be used to develop local hosting capabilities in the MSME sector. The board keeps looking for bottomless holes to pour money into yet they are half full cups that would be best filled up first. Even in the bible it is said that to those who have more shall be added can we as a faith based nation uphold this doctrine instead of rewarding the servant who buried his talents. My conviction is that running away from a difficulty is a sign of weakness and cowardliness which is why my advice to the organisation was to put up their own facility even though it might have been cheaper to host on google, godaddy, or amazon as their contribution to building Kenya. It is my expectation that KIXP will be forward looking enough to remove the hurdles of connecting to them as that would allow better local performance to the data centre. I am forced to humble myself on this issue because the saviour we had been awaiting in the form of a national exchange point seems to have missed the flight. This entire issue of mis-pricing, overpricing and fleecing is as a direct result of the failure of the KICT Board to prioritise its programs based on the needs of the industry and not the whims of the world bank and other foreign masters. Thanks to Dr. Ndemo and others with whom he worked selflessly to bring the TEAMs and EASY cable systems to fruition. The lack of local capacity to host our own data cannot be chocolate coated by the release of the data it would be the same as re-inviting the British to take over the running of our government as their economy has performed better than ours cheaper during the period that we have been independent. Paul, I think that it is only manly for you to accept failure in your mandate before you go the way of Councillor Majiwa (failure to discharge his duties). I feel that the failure of KICTB has been more as a result of overstepping its mandate from marketing Kenya as a destination for ICT to becoming an implementing agency. It's single sighted approach to treating ICT as BPO and mobile applications only, has had the effect of stagnating other areas of the sector, it was refreshing to hear at a KICTB function where they indicated that their emphasis will now be towards ITES. For instance the open data project was an opportune chance for the government to jump start local hosting and demonstrate confidence in that ICT sub-sector. This would also allow us to target the countries in the region for hosting of their open data thus meeting the objective of becoming the destination of choice for regional data. The net effect of KICTB's action in the industry has been to pour cold water on local hosting as in this case of justifying the hosting of the data in a foreign country. We cannot on one hand be crusading about local content while on the other we are going out of our way to place our content elsewhere. The action by KICTB is synonymous to Kenya Tourist Board or Brand Kenya placing adverts telling Kenyans to travel to South Africa yet their mandate is to develop domestic tourism and also bring tourists to Kenya. The rest of us are not any better as we only give lip service to our so called convictions, I asked before on what platform do we as listers on KICTANET stand and as is usually the case there was no response silence was all I got, but there is still hope for us as a profession and a nation which is why I am not even considering a green card. There is light at the end of the tunnel, apart from me as PMG, in that there is a unit that was set-up under the communications act whose mandate was to police the KICT Board as well as others, its called the National Communications Secretariat. As industry stake holders lets find it, take it over (like civil society has done with the judiciary) and from their we shall have control over our own destinies. So fellow listers, we have a chance to grow teeth that can actually bite but do we want them? "With great power comes even greater responsibility" - Spiderman movie Interesting reading http://books.google.com/books?id=-NKurl1tiIcC&pg=PP10&lpg=PP10&dq=%22national+communications+secretariat%22+kenya&source=bl&ots=UqhOmrc3VK&sig=-QOIBgNwkxQ0ucdWHU5k0XOTSks&hl=en&ei=IjYdTvz4HcSHrAexkayODA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=%22national%20communications%20secretariat%22%20kenya&f=false http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=20&ved=0CEcQFjAJOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.information.go.ke%2Findex2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_docman%26task%3Ddoc_view%26gid%3D4%26Itemid%3D37&rct=j&q=%22national%20communications%20secretariat%22%20kenya&ei=IjYdTvz4HcSHrAexkayODA&usg=AFQjCNEM83_1IBXdzqVqCnnEttnKye-iNw&cad=rja> The Communications Commission of Kenya (CCK) parent agency is actually the National Communications Secretariat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Commission_of_Kenya) http://www.information.go.ke/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=4&Itemid=37 Read Page 10 on the point number 2.6.1 The NCS was allocated 90 million in the 2009/2010 budget yet it only has 3 staff members Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Mon, 11 July, 2011 17:59:31 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? I am interested in getting partners to run some solutions as IAAS and SAAS and being a patriotic Kenyan I first attempted to get quotes for what I wanted. My findings I am sad to say were 1. Few providers even understand the concept of SAAS & IAAS. To spare embarrassment to employees who have on their payroll engineers unable to differentiate the cloud from websites, I won't name names 2. Those that do have laughable prices. I fiercely love my country and its people but my friends I refuse to pay 10-45 times the prices I am getting at Amazon / Microsoft / Rackspace because the providers are Kenyan. (Yes. That was 45 times) This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable prices and services. Remember the Ministry also has a fiscal responsibility to spend our taxes wisely. If all things are held constant I will pick a local provider any day of the week and twice on sunday but at 45 times the price? And with no redundancy? I am afraid not.
Robert, On 7/13/11 12:16 PM, robert yawe wrote:
It is my expectation that KIXP will be forward looking enough to remove the hurdles of connecting to them as that would allow better local performance to the data centre. I am forced to humble myself on this issue because the saviour we had been awaiting in the form of a national exchange point seems to have missed the flight.
Please provide clarity here. What hurdles does KIXP have?. If i may speak wearing my KIXP CTO hat on. We provide a Switch, Power, cooling, rack space and security. A mini carrier neutral facility so to speak. Connecting to KIXP is as simple as filling in a form, meet the set requirements set by CCK for one to connect to KIXP, install a router and link at any of our 3 facilities in Kenya (2 x Nairobi, 1 x Mombasa) and thats it. Currently KIXP is the Worlds fastest growing IXP by percentage growth of traffic this year at 670%. According to PCH. (exluding newly established IXPs). https://prefix.pch.net/applications/ixpdir/summary/growth/?sort1=bandwidth&sort2=_percent_change&order=desc We have over 30 members peering including Govt, Private Sector and Academia. We clearly have done something right to be at the top. But we are not there yet. We shall brag when we get there. In this respect, we would definitely like to hear your perceived challenges so that we can sustain this growth position for the next 12 months. Regards, Michuki.
Muchuki, Is it possible for you to give us a comprehensive response on the requirements for connecting to KIXP an issue I have asked before but instead kept getting incomplete responses. Assume I was a foreign investor coming to set-up a data centre in Kenya and wants to know the requirements for connecting to KIXP. We keep complaining about the government not being able to provide a one stop shop for its services yet we in private sector seem equally as vague. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 13 July, 2011 13:11:00 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit? Robert, On 7/13/11 12:16 PM, robert yawe wrote:
It is my expectation that KIXP will be forward looking enough to remove the hurdles of connecting to them as that would allow better local performance to the data centre. I am forced to humble myself on this issue because the saviour we had been awaiting in the form of a national exchange point seems to have missed the flight.
Please provide clarity here. What hurdles does KIXP have?. If i may speak wearing my KIXP CTO hat on. We provide a Switch, Power, cooling, rack space and security. A mini carrier neutral facility so to speak. Connecting to KIXP is as simple as filling in a form, meet the set requirements set by CCK for one to connect to KIXP, install a router and link at any of our 3 facilities in Kenya (2 x Nairobi, 1 x Mombasa) and thats it. Currently KIXP is the Worlds fastest growing IXP by percentage growth of traffic this year at 670%. According to PCH. (exluding newly established IXPs). https://prefix.pch.net/applications/ixpdir/summary/growth/?sort1=bandwidth&sort2=_percent_change&order=desc We have over 30 members peering including Govt, Private Sector and Academia. We clearly have done something right to be at the top. But we are not there yet. We shall brag when we get there. In this respect, we would definitely like to hear your perceived challenges so that we can sustain this growth position for the next 12 months. Regards, Michuki.
Hi Robert, On 7/13/11 2:16 PM, robert yawe wrote:
Is it possible for you to give us a comprehensive response on the requirements for connecting to KIXP an issue I have asked before but instead kept getting incomplete responses.
1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc 2) Fill in the Membership forms 3) Pay Services fees based on port speed required 10/100/1000 Mbps per month 4) Technical requirements are available here http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=76&Itemid=91 4b) This includes getting your own IPv4/IPv6 Address Space and ASN from the RIR - AfriNIC. 5) lease a circuit from KIXP back to your Premise 6) Bring a Router to KIXP for connecting to other Members. 7) Receive your setup/configuration details 8) Free assistance if needed by KIXP tech to setup BGP and Peering sessions.
Assume I was a foreign investor coming to set-up a data centre in Kenya and wants to know the requirements for connecting to KIXP.
Data Center operators care about having an IXP in their facility. Thats a whole different discussion. CDNs and the likes are the one that are more interested in joining an IXP in any market. HTH. Michuki.
Hi Michuki, Thank you for the information, please give us the following missing information. 1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc I will follow up on the license requirements from CCK but out of curiosity what license do UNON, KRA & NBK have (http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92) just to get a better understanding of the entire process? 2) Fill in the Membership forms What are the membership fees for application, monthly and annual? 3) Pay Services fees based on port speed required 10/100/1000 Mbps per month What are the charges for the various bandwidth connections? 4) Technical requirements are available here http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=76&Itemid=91 4b) This includes getting your own IPv4/IPv6 Address Space and ASN from the RIR - AfriNIC. 5) lease a circuit from KIXP back to your Premise Who are the available providers with nodes at KIXP and can provide the backhaul? 6) Bring a Router to KIXP for connecting to other Members. What are the minimum requirements for the router apart from just BGP capability? 7) Receive your setup/configuration details 8) Free assistance if needed by KIXP tech to setup BGP and Peering sessions.
Assume I was a foreign investor coming to set-up a data centre in Kenya and wants to know the requirements for connecting to KIXP.
Data Center operators care about having an IXP in their facility. Thats a whole different discussion. CDNs and the likes are the one that are more interested in joining an IXP in any market. HTH. Michuki.
Hi Robert, On 7/13/11 3:31 PM, robert yawe wrote:
Hi Michuki,
Thank you for the information, please give us the following missing information.
1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc
I will follow up on the license requirements from CCK but out of curiosity what license do UNON, KRA & NBK have (http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 <http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92>) just to get a better understanding of the entire process?
Unfortunately our agreement with our members does not permits me to disclose this information. As such, i would defer you to CCK or the members directly to get this information.
2) Fill in the Membership forms
What are the membership fees for application, monthly and annual?
Maybe i should have called them subscription forms and agreements. Fees are payable for on a monthly basis for KIXP peering services.
3) Pay Services fees based on port speed required 10/100/1000 Mbps per month
What are the charges for the various bandwidth connections?
This is an administrative question that you would have to consult the Admin office directly to inquire. However according to information available on the TESPOK website its Kshs 30,000 for minimum entry which is 10Mbps.
5) lease a circuit from KIXP back to your Premise
Who are the available providers with nodes at KIXP and can provide the backhaul?
Currently there are Jamii, KDN, TKL, Access Kenya, Wananchi Online and Safaricom. As i mentioned earlier - KIXP is carrier neutral facility. Any provider is welcome to build infrastructure to KIXP facilities if they are not there yet.
6) Bring a Router to KIXP for connecting to other Members.
What are the minimum requirements for the router apart from just BGP capability?
In any network, the engineering team should have the skills to determine what router minimum specifications would be sufficient for the organizations peering needs and when upgrades are due etc. Therefore our specifications are based on what is necessary for efficient peering to take place. That requirement as per Internet Standards is BGP or multi-protocol BGP to support both IPv4 and IPv6. It also must have the right interface to connect to the switch at KIXP (Ethernet(fast) or SFP). The rest is the prerogative of the member. HTH, Michuki.
This is indeed a healthy discussion which I really appreciate. However, as a layman, just as someone pointed out, what exactly is a (open) data centre? And how does it differ to what NBK, KPLC(?), Equity bank have? Where the Kenya Govt Open Data is, sets a curios question: doesn't the govt have plans to have it located locally? And if there are challenged reeling, can't it be brought to the fore, so that we may put our heads together and brainstorm? The idea of some sections of the government classifying information does not go well since the government is nopt an exclusive members club. If by what has been said, of Paul Kukubo 'sitting' on some resources, then it would be prudent to look at the matter in a sober manner and see how they can be put into good use. And, if there are no plans for Kenya to have the data centres locally based for the next three years, then why are we talking of Konza (Malili) ICT City, which would be a perfect place for piloting this DC? A lot of deliberation needs to be made, to realize the establishment of our own DC here. My 2 cents. On 13/07/2011, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Robert,
On 7/13/11 3:31 PM, robert yawe wrote:
Hi Michuki,
Thank you for the information, please give us the following missing information.
1) An Operators license from CCK - ISP, Mobile, etc
I will follow up on the license requirements from CCK but out of curiosity what license do UNON, KRA & NBK have (http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92 <http://www.tespok.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77&Itemid=92>) just to get a better understanding of the entire process?
Unfortunately our agreement with our members does not permits me to disclose this information. As such, i would defer you to CCK or the members directly to get this information.
2) Fill in the Membership forms
What are the membership fees for application, monthly and annual?
Maybe i should have called them subscription forms and agreements. Fees are payable for on a monthly basis for KIXP peering services.
3) Pay Services fees based on port speed required 10/100/1000 Mbps per month
What are the charges for the various bandwidth connections?
This is an administrative question that you would have to consult the Admin office directly to inquire.
However according to information available on the TESPOK website its Kshs 30,000 for minimum entry which is 10Mbps.
5) lease a circuit from KIXP back to your Premise
Who are the available providers with nodes at KIXP and can provide the backhaul?
Currently there are Jamii, KDN, TKL, Access Kenya, Wananchi Online and Safaricom. As i mentioned earlier - KIXP is carrier neutral facility. Any provider is welcome to build infrastructure to KIXP facilities if they are not there yet.
6) Bring a Router to KIXP for connecting to other Members.
What are the minimum requirements for the router apart from just BGP capability?
In any network, the engineering team should have the skills to determine what router minimum specifications would be sufficient for the organizations peering needs and when upgrades are due etc.
Therefore our specifications are based on what is necessary for efficient peering to take place. That requirement as per Internet Standards is BGP or multi-protocol BGP to support both IPv4 and IPv6.
It also must have the right interface to connect to the switch at KIXP (Ethernet(fast) or SFP). The rest is the prerogative of the member.
HTH,
Michuki.
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Not enough has been said on this issue, so I will add some more :-) Equity Bank's data may be hosted here but not without challenges. I used to use their limited e-banking facility (works for transactions for self accounts only) on my HP computer. However, the system does not work on Macs - it is not compatible with Safari the Mac web browser. Please note that there are other reasons government is not waiting for local hosting capacity. The Constitutional Bill of Rights has a right to info. The government could be reducing opportunities for litigous Kenyans on this matter. NGOs who monitor government business will have lots to do with this data - especially on the highly anticipated County budgets. Wamuyu
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