On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com> wrote:

@Barrack - I think parts of this thread can help feed into the IGF discussions of the other week. I think opendata.go.ke has been timely and may have helped listers understand the cloud a little more - and the thunder that might lurk therein...

On 12 July 2011 07:17, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting points listers, let us not give up on motherland, i would be content if the current arrangement is just a stop gap measure and that at some point in the near future we will have opendata.go.ke hosted locally, i cast my vote with Washi albeit ignorantly that at least a new job will be created locally, to say the least didnt we pull it off with mpesa?, we are too obsessed with ROI to the extent that we can not even set aside money for R&D, if we cant attempt, who will do it? reminds me of a story about a pit latrine built in one of the remote areas of our country which was hardly used by the locals..reasons..they were not involved..my two cents..err..cowries as well :-)

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:06 AM, Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mwendwa

Another "aha" moment where I choose to see the glass as being half full and not half empty:-) IMHO the undersea cables were much more of a daunting task than data centers, and I am glad to see elsewhere that according to PS Ndemo, the GOK has almost completed their data centers so it will not take decades for a local solution. Also a public and private sector model similar to the Cables seems to have worked out quite well so should Google fail to see the business opportunity then perhaps Microsoft, IBM, SaS or even Amazon and locally as Ali challenged, KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange etc would be willing to fill in the gap. Whoever decides to step up their game could lead and gain a giant market share in cloud computing akin to what Safricom did and everyone else has been playing catch up ever since.... I have faith in the capacity of the mwanainchi to maintain and innovate even further.

LK

--- On Mon, 7/11/11, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:

From: lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
To: lkimani@yahoo.com

Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>

Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 3:55 PM

to quote Conrad "This is why I am saying i have no problem hosting abroad
until local providers get their act together and can have reasonable prices
and services."

We should not hit ourselves too much. It will take decades
to reach the level of SAVVIS, Softlayer, Amazon, Rackspace, et al. in
providing affordable
solutions. It has been discussed on this list time and time again the
problems we face in Kenya and other developing countries.

1. Energy: - How can we compete with countries using nuclear power
while our hydo
power is not enough to light all our bulbs?
2. Even if we amalgamated all our locally hosted content to one datacenter
half the size of the Amazon's cloud, would the businessman achieve
ROI? Would we
achieve prices close to those in USA?
3. Do we have enough and competent human resource capacity to maintain the
infrastructure, code, and implement world class hosting companies?
4. Are our innovations and R&D capable to make us remain competitive even
when business dynamics shift?

At another forum, Google's Mucheru was asked why they are not setting
servers in Kenya! His answer was "The bottom line is Return on investment"

Regards
Mwendwa

On 11/07/2011, Ali Hussein <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
> Lucy
>
> All I can say is - We live in a Global Village.
>
> I honestly believe that this is a wake-up call for Local Service Providers.
> However in defence of them the investment required to set up and run a
> Rackspace calibre service is huge...but so are the returns... So my question
> to us in the private sector is who will step up? Or should we wait for the
> Min of Info-comm to lead the way like they did with the undersea cable?
>
> Do I hear KDN; Wananchi; Safaricom; Airtel; Orange et al pick up the
> gauntlet?
>
> Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucy Kimani <lkimani@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:28:47
> To: info@alyhussein.com<info@alyhussein.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?
>
> All I will one up on Francis and Ali why wouldn't a Google for example not
> have dedicated IDCs built in Kenya considering said centers could then serve
> east africa and yes it does matter where the data is hosted legally if such
> data were to be subpoenaed for whatever reason then if hosted in US they
> would have to be produced hence implications of jurisdiction matter in that
> the datacenter is located within US jurisdiction and must therefore abide by
> the laws.
>
> LK
>
> On Jul 11, 2011, at 9:57 AM, "Ali Hussein" <info@alyhussein.com> wrote:
>
>> My two cowries (to quote Francis :) ) :-
>>
>> Why not mirror the service locally? That way we get the best of two
>> worlds...
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry®
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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