Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Listers, It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY! what went wrong? Edith
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance. It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology. Evans On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Agreed with Evans here. Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/ Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards » App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES » Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN » Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) » Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke » Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Erik, Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works. The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`. Hard to understand. Why not use one integrated system? ____________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Erik Hersman [erik@zungu.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Agreed with Evans here. Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/ * Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards » * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES » * Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN » * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) » * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke » * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com<http://www.ushahidi.com/> | www.iHub.co.ke<http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com<http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com<mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com>> wrote: Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance. It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology. Evans On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers, It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY! what went wrong? Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ikua.evans%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Erik,
Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works.
The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`.
Hard to understand.
Why not use one integrated system?
____________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Erik Hersman [erik@zungu.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Agreed with Evans here.
Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/
* Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards » * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES » * Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN » * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) » * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke » * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke
You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies.
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com<mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com>> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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The way I understand the electronic system is that it was only meant to be a public facing results platform that would give a general feel of the winners and loosers before the official figures were declared. The failure of the system thus does not affect the integrity of the elections but only the PR skills of IEBC. The official results are still on form 16a i presume. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well.
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Erik,
Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works.
The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`.
Hard to understand.
Why not use one integrated system?
____________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Erik Hersman [erik@zungu.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Agreed with Evans here.
Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/
* Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards » * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES » * Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN » * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) » * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke » * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke
You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies.
Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com<http://www.ushahidi.com/> | www.iHub.co.ke< http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com<http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican< http://twitter.com/whiteafrican>
On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com< mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com <ikua.evans@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca< mailto:eadera@idrc.ca <eadera@idrc.ca>>> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Mark, The law requires that the results are transmitted electronically, so it's not a PR exercise! I guess this was made a requirement to avoid rigging and disappearing returning officers like Kivuitu experienced - as these are transmitted in the presence of all party agents observers etc. I guess also a back-up to the actual signed paper copies. So ICT was playing a very crucial role. Edith From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: March 6, 2013 12:23 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? The way I understand the electronic system is that it was only meant to be a public facing results platform that would give a general feel of the winners and loosers before the official figures were declared. The failure of the system thus does not affect the integrity of the elections but only the PR skills of IEBC. The official results are still on form 16a i presume. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com<mailto:erik@zungu.com>> wrote: Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com<http://www.ushahidi.com/> | www.iHub.co.ke<http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com<http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Erik, Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works. The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`. Hard to understand. Why not use one integrated system? ____________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] on behalf of Erik Hersman [erik@zungu.com<mailto:erik@zungu.com>] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Agreed with Evans here. Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/ * Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards > * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES > * Transmitted via Safaricom's VPN > * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) > * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke > * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com<http://www.ushahidi.com><http://www.ushahidi.com/> | www.iHub.co.ke<http://www.iHub.co.ke><http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com<http://www.whiteafrican.com><http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com<mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com><mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com>> wrote: Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance. It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology. Evans On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca><mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers, It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY! what went wrong? 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Edith, First let me clarify that the Biometric Voter Registration worked and that is how we were all registerted. The Voter verification system (a small gadget that takes the impression of your thumb and verifies with the registration data)failed in most polling centers. The data transmission system worked but the server could not cope within the short window period for transmission (just a few hours after polling centers were closed before they moved the ballot papers to the constituency tallying centers). Not all data was transmitted due to various issues including failure to fully charge the equipment, alligning data capture with the server software and other minor human errors. This does not qualify to condemn the entire industry. I remember once in the US when the space shuttle blew up yet they had made many missions into space. They did not claim failure of the program but rather used it to build a better program. In our election exercise we may need to further examine the errors in a more detailed way. Often we say we understand when we have not understood. We do not have the courage to say I have failed and need help. We see errors that we do not report. We do not learn from mistakes around us (KNEC has failed a couple of times in a similar exercise but we have never learnt from it). These are simple behavioral issues but it is what we need to correct if any training is to work on us. In my view we should rather examine ourselves in an increasingly complicated world. Recently, I boarded a Matatu from Westlands to city center which the drive pumped the breaks more that five times to get it to stop. When I asked him, he just laughed and said "Mheshimiwa hii inaweza enda hata mwezi". I decided to inform everybody that we are riding a vehicle with no breaks as I alighted. Nobody followed my call as they looked at me as though I was crazy. Technology may not be the problem as we think. Ndemo.
Mark,
The law requires that the results are transmitted electronically, so it's not a PR exercise! I guess this was made a requirement to avoid rigging and disappearing returning officers like Kivuitu experienced - as these are transmitted in the presence of all party agents observers etc. I guess also a back-up to the actual signed paper copies.
So ICT was playing a very crucial role.
Edith
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: March 6, 2013 12:23 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
The way I understand the electronic system is that it was only meant to be a public facing results platform that would give a general feel of the winners and loosers before the official figures were declared.
The failure of the system thus does not affect the integrity of the elections but only the PR skills of IEBC. The official results are still on form 16a i presume.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com<mailto:erik@zungu.com>> wrote: Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well.
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote:
Erik,
Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works.
The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`.
Hard to understand.
Why not use one integrated system?
____________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] on behalf of Erik Hersman [erik@zungu.com<mailto:erik@zungu.com>] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Agreed with Evans here.
Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/
* Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards > * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES > * Transmitted via Safaricom's VPN > * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) > * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke > * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke
You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies.
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com<mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com><mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com>> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca><mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Mr. PS, Thanks for this, and this is precisely the reason on this list we've kept harping on the whole issue of Integrity.. We need to understand the design architecture of the entire system deployed, to know why, where, when and how it failed. A flowchart would do as a start. Failure or not this constitutes the national election process, which calls for integrity. So I do not believe it should all be shrouded in iron-clad secrecy. It would also be re-assuring to know that with any loopholes plugged and sealed, the system will not be open to a litany of litigations aimed at challenging integrity of the process.. Could failure thereof or otherwise constitute a breach of Integrity..? Only a tested, good understanding of how the System works from start to end would help debunk that, and would also go a long way in debunking the myriad of theories now making rounds.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:04 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Edith, First let me clarify that the Biometric Voter Registration worked and that is how we were all registerted. The Voter verification system (a small gadget that takes the impression of your thumb and verifies with the registration data)failed in most polling centers. The data transmission system worked but the server could not cope within the short window period for transmission (just a few hours after polling centers were closed before they moved the ballot papers to the constituency tallying centers). Not all data was transmitted due to various issues including failure to fully charge the equipment, alligning data capture with the server software and other minor human errors. This does not qualify to condemn the entire industry. I remember once in the US when the space shuttle blew up yet they had made many missions into space. They did not claim failure of the program but rather used it to build a better program. In our election exercise we may need to further examine the errors in a more detailed way. Often we say we understand when we have not understood. We do not have the courage to say I have failed and need help. We see errors that we do not report. We do not learn from mistakes around us (KNEC has failed a couple of times in a similar exercise but we have never learnt from it). These are simple behavioral issues but it is what we need to correct if any training is to work on us. In my view we should rather examine ourselves in an increasingly complicated world. Recently, I boarded a Matatu from Westlands to city center which the drive pumped the breaks more that five times to get it to stop. When I asked him, he just laughed and said "Mheshimiwa hii inaweza enda hata mwezi". I decided to inform everybody that we are riding a vehicle with no breaks as I alighted. Nobody followed my call as they looked at me as though I was crazy. Technology may not be the problem as we think. Ndemo.
Mark,
The law requires that the results are transmitted electronically, so it's not a PR exercise! I guess this was made a requirement to avoid rigging and disappearing returning officers like Kivuitu experienced - as these are transmitted in the presence of all party agents observers etc. I guess also a back-up to the actual signed paper copies.
So ICT was playing a very crucial role.
Edith
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: March 6, 2013 12:23 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
The way I understand the electronic system is that it was only meant to be a public facing results platform that would give a general feel of the winners and loosers before the official figures were declared.
The failure of the system thus does not affect the integrity of the elections but only the PR skills of IEBC. The official results are still on form 16a i presume.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com<mailto:erik@zungu.com>> wrote: Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well.
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote:
Erik,
Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works.
The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`.
Hard to understand.
Why not use one integrated system?
____________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet- bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] on behalf of Erik Hersman [erik@zungu.com<mailto:erik@zungu.com>] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Agreed with Evans here.
Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/
* Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards > * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES > * Transmitted via Safaricom's VPN > * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) > * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke > * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke
You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies.
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com<mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com><mailto:ikua.evans@g mail.com>> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca><mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Harry, I did not imply that the whole issue be abandoned. I meant to say that the act of electronic transmission is now water under the bridge. I am hoping we shall have a thorough audit. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 22:54:36 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Mr. PS, Thanks for this, and this is precisely the reason on this list we've kept harping on the whole issue of Integrity.. We need to understand the design architecture of the entire system deployed, to know why, where, when and how it failed. A flowchart would do as a start. Failure or not this constitutes the national election process, which calls for integrity. So I do not believe it should all be shrouded in iron-clad secrecy. It would also be re-assuring to know that with any loopholes plugged and sealed, the system will not be open to a litany of litigations aimed at challenging integrity of the process.. Could failure thereof or otherwise constitute a breach of Integrity..? Only a tested, good understanding of how the System works from start to end would help debunk that, and would also go a long way in debunking the myriad of theories now making rounds.. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:04 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Edith, First let me clarify that the Biometric Voter Registration worked and that is how we were all registerted. The Voter verification system (a small gadget that takes the impression of your thumb and verifies with the registration data)failed in most polling centers. The data transmission system worked but the server could not cope within the short window period for transmission (just a few hours after polling centers were closed before they moved the ballot papers to the constituency tallying centers). Not all data was transmitted due to various issues including failure to fully charge the equipment, alligning data capture with the server software and other minor human errors. This does not qualify to condemn the entire industry. I remember once in the US when the space shuttle blew up yet they had made many missions into space. They did not claim failure of the program but rather used it to build a better program. In our election exercise we may need to further examine the errors in a more detailed way. Often we say we understand when we have not understood. We do not have the courage to say I have failed and need help. We see errors that we do not report. We do not learn from mistakes around us (KNEC has failed a couple of times in a similar exercise but we have never learnt from it). These are simple behavioral issues but it is what we need to correct if any training is to work on us. In my view we should rather examine ourselves in an increasingly complicated world. Recently, I boarded a Matatu from Westlands to city center which the drive pumped the breaks more that five times to get it to stop. When I asked him, he just laughed and said "Mheshimiwa hii inaweza enda hata mwezi". I decided to inform everybody that we are riding a vehicle with no breaks as I alighted. Nobody followed my call as they looked at me as though I was crazy. Technology may not be the problem as we think. Ndemo.
Mark,
The law requires that the results are transmitted electronically, so it's not a PR exercise! I guess this was made a requirement to avoid rigging and disappearing returning officers like Kivuitu experienced - as these are transmitted in the presence of all party agents observers etc. I guess also a back-up to the actual signed paper copies.
So ICT was playing a very crucial role.
Edith
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: March 6, 2013 12:23 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
The way I understand the electronic system is that it was only meant to be a public facing results platform that would give a general feel of the winners and loosers before the official figures were declared.
The failure of the system thus does not affect the integrity of the elections but only the PR skills of IEBC. The official results are still on form 16a i presume.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com<mailto:erik@zungu.com>> wrote: Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well.
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote:
Erik,
Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works.
The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`.
Hard to understand.
Why not use one integrated system?
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Agreed with Evans here.
Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/
* Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards > * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES > * Transmitted via Safaricom's VPN > * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) > * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke > * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke
You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies.
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com<mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com><mailto:ikua.evans@g mail.com>> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca><mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Edith, You bring to the fore an interesting point, the failure to transmit results electronically is also a legal issue. At least three regulations in the Elections (General) Regulations 2012 actually make electronic transmission mandatory (operative word shall) 82. (1) The presiding officer SHALL, before ferrying the actual results of the election to the returning officer at the tallying venue, submit to the returning officer the results in electronic form, in such manner as the Commission may direct. 87(2) The returning officer SHALL after tallying of votes at the constituency level—(c) electronically transmit the provisional results to the Commission 87(10) The county returning officer SHALL on completion of the tallying of the results at the county level, electronically submit the tallied provisional results to the Commission If I understand these regulations correctly we could be looking at invalidation of the results because of the failure of ICT systems. Regards, Harry Karanja Sent from my iPad On Mar 6, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Mark,
The law requires that the results are transmitted electronically, so it’s not a PR exercise! I guess this was made a requirement to avoid rigging and disappearing returning officers like Kivuitu experienced – as these are transmitted in the presence of all party agents observers etc. I guess also a back-up to the actual signed paper copies.
So ICT was playing a very crucial role.
Edith
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: March 6, 2013 12:23 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
The way I understand the electronic system is that it was only meant to be a public facing results platform that would give a general feel of the winners and loosers before the official figures were declared.
The failure of the system thus does not affect the integrity of the elections but only the PR skills of IEBC. The official results are still on form 16a i presume.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote: Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well.
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Erik,
Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works.
The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`.
Hard to understand.
Why not use one integrated system?
____________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Erik Hersman [erik@zungu.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Agreed with Evans here.
Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/
* Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards » * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES » * Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN » * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) » * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke » * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke
You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies.
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com<mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com>> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Edith, If I send you a information in PDF format, JPG, as an SMS have I sent it electronically? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013, 19:48 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Mark, The law requires that the results are transmitted electronically, so it’s not a PR exercise! I guess this was made a requirement to avoid rigging and disappearing returning officers like Kivuitu experienced – as these are transmitted in the presence of all party agents observers etc. I guess also a back-up to the actual signed paper copies. So ICT was playing a very crucial role. Edith From:kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi Sent: March 6, 2013 12:23 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? The way I understand the electronic system is that it was only meant to be a public facing results platform that would give a general feel of the winners and loosers before the official figures were declared. The failure of the system thus does not affect the integrity of the elections but only the PR skills of IEBC. The official results are still on form 16a i presume. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote: Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Erik, Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works. The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`. Hard to understand. Why not use one integrated system? ____________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Erik Hersman [erik@zungu.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Agreed with Evans here. Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/ * Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards » * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES » * Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN » * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) » * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke » * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com<http://www.ushahidi.com/> | www.iHub.co.ke<http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com<http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com<mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com>> wrote: Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance. It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology. Evans On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers, It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY! what went wrong? Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ikua.evans%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Complete agreement with Mark. Please see http://www.ljean.com/files/ABPractices.pdf L. Jean Camp, Allan Friedman, & Warigia Bowman. "Electronic Voting<http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1065226.1065282> Best Practices" Summary and Report of the Voting, Vote Capture & Vote Counting Symposium <http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1065226.1065282>, June 2-4, 2004 (Cambridge, MA). On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The way I understand the electronic system is that it was only meant to be a public facing results platform that would give a general feel of the winners and loosers before the official figures were declared.
The failure of the system thus does not affect the integrity of the elections but only the PR skills of IEBC. The official results are still on form 16a i presume.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well.
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Erik,
Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works.
The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`.
Hard to understand.
Why not use one integrated system?
____________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Erik Hersman [erik@zungu.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Agreed with Evans here.
Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/
* Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards » * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES » * Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN » * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) » * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke » * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke
You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies.
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com< mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com <ikua.evans@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca< mailto:eadera@idrc.ca <eadera@idrc.ca>>> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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@Rigia, + Mark, For the Kenyan case, apart from PR, the electronic transmission system also had the additional, if not main role of solving the perennial problem of misreporting the tallied votes. Basically, in the old days, a Constituency would have say 50 Polling Stations from where votes have been counted and counter signed by agents. However, Returning officers were notorious for misreporting this polling station values when they converged at the Constituency tallying center(main towns). So the fix was that if the counted and verified tally at the root Polling station has ALREADY been provisionally and electronically transmitted at SOURCE to both the constituency and national level using the 3G network, then the temptation to tamper with these figures when manual paper work (form 34/36) is submitted is highly reduced. One would really need to have a good reason why what the values transmitted electronically significantly differs with what is received manually. Ofcourse the electronically transmission system failed and has triggered wild speculations about integrity. IEBC will have to look for a way to prove that despite this failure all went well - but perhaps the burden of proof is on the other side. For them to show that indeed things did not go well :-) walu. ________________________________ From: Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Complete agreement with Mark. Please see http://www.ljean.com/files/ABPractices.pdf L. Jean Camp, Allan Friedman, & Warigia Bowman. "Electronic Voting Best Practices" Summary and Report of the Voting, Vote Capture & Vote Counting Symposium, June 2-4, 2004 (Cambridge, MA). On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: The way I understand the electronic system is that it was only meant to be a public facing results platform that would give a general feel of the winners and loosers before the official figures were declared.
The failure of the system thus does not affect the integrity of the elections but only the PR skills of IEBC. The official results are still on form 16a i presume.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well.
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Erik,
Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works.
The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`.
Hard to understand.
Why not use one integrated system?
____________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Erik Hersman [erik@zungu.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Agreed with Evans here.
Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/
* Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards » * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES » * Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN » * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) » * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke » * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke
You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies.
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com<mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com>> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Walu, I hear you, and am also dissapointed re the technological failures. However, I was an accredited election observer, thanks to assistance from three or more people on this list. :-) I agree that electronic transmission can reduce tampering. However, the vote tallying process I saw at both the polling station level and at the constiuency level was very difficult to rig, in my opinion. This is because political party agents had to sign off on the count at both the polling station level and at the constituency level. Victor Bwire? what did you see. Thanks, Rigia On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Rigia, + Mark,
For the Kenyan case, apart from PR, the electronic transmission system also had the additional, if not main role of solving the perennial problem of misreporting the tallied votes. Basically, in the old days, a Constituency would have say 50 Polling Stations from where votes have been counted and counter signed by agents.
However, Returning officers were notorious for misreporting this polling station values when they converged at the Constituency tallying center(main towns). So the fix was that if the counted and verified tally at the root Polling station has ALREADY been provisionally and electronically transmitted at SOURCE to both the constituency and national level using the 3G network, then the temptation to tamper with these figures when manual paper work (form 34/36) is submitted is highly reduced. One would really need to have a good reason why what the values transmitted electronically significantly differs with what is received manually.
Ofcourse the electronically transmission system failed and has triggered wild speculations about integrity. IEBC will have to look for a way to prove that despite this failure all went well - but perhaps the burden of proof is on the other side. For them to show that indeed things did not go well :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Warigia Bowman <warigia@gmail.com> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2013 6:55 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Complete agreement with Mark. Please see
http://www.ljean.com/files/ABPractices.pdf
L. Jean Camp, Allan Friedman, & Warigia Bowman. "Electronic Voting<http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1065226.1065282>
Best Practices" Summary and Report of the Voting, Vote Capture & Vote Counting Symposium<http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1065226.1065282>, June 2-4, 2004 (Cambridge, MA).
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
The way I understand the electronic system is that it was only meant to be a public facing results platform that would give a general feel of the winners and loosers before the official figures were declared.
The failure of the system thus does not affect the integrity of the elections but only the PR skills of IEBC. The official results are still on form 16a i presume.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well.
Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican>
On Mar 6, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Erik,
Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works.
The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`.
Hard to understand.
Why not use one integrated system?
____________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Erik Hersman [erik@zungu.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Agreed with Evans here.
Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/
* Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards » * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES » * Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN » * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) » * Google hosted website at http://vote.iebc.or.ke » * Google hosted API at http://api.iebc.or.ke
You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies.
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com< mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com <ikua.evans@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca< mailto:eadera@idrc.ca <eadera@idrc.ca>>> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Relax. IEBC has 5 days ?. Anyone who has worked with systems will tell you sometimes shit hits the fan ... and you fix it ... and you tell your boss/client to leave you alone as you fix took us 50 years to get this constitution ... did it mean Kenyans failed ? Maybe its time to get back to work ... ama COFEK will sue IEBC ? :) On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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about the RFP ... ---------------------------------------- THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP ---------------------------------------- On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Relax. IEBC has 5 days ?.
Anyone who has worked with systems will tell you sometimes shit hits the fan ... and you fix it ... and you tell your boss/client to leave you alone as you fix
took us 50 years to get this constitution ... did it mean Kenyans failed ?
Maybe its time to get back to work ... ama COFEK will sue IEBC ? :)
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
about the RFP ...
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THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
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Liko, The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on. The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document. We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not. D
Daudi My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover. Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !! There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc Maybe this will bring in more grants ..... Thanks On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------
THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
Agosta, I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong? That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought? Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote: about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------
THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin. Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------
THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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Interesting This is a typical discussion in most organisation when their is a "Technical Glitch" between Technical teams and Management teams, the Techies are extremely focused on solving the existing problem while Management is busy finding out what went wrong with the process. Management believes that if you have the process right then you are not going to experience any technical glitches.. you got all the bases covered right....? well that is a big lie because you cannot foresee all the variables despite all the scenario planning you do, which is why these two teams are unlikely to see eye to eye on this issue. On the other hand we have bloggers/Publishers (Yawe dont kill me, I know your also a techie :) ) Who want information, these are the marketing, PR, Sales teams that just wants answers for the customers - " We want to know what the problem is" , practically we dont expect to have the Tech Team answer that until they solve the problem because they might be wrong on their "prognosis" and honestly most times you use a process of elimination to solve this kind of problems. I believe that there is a lot of pressure on the Tech Teams at IEBC to solve this problem, a lot more mistakes are likely to be made under this kind of pressure. I have been on the end of one of these situations, if in the situation again (hopefully never) , I would definitely beg to be given time, as Liko put it to solve the problem and not to start worrying about procurement or process questions otherwise we can speculate all we want and being considered experts in technology cause alot more people to worry on the "social" interwebs or we can wait for a full ISA audit.. no.... demand for one after the process has been completed. In my opinion, No Technology, ICT Staff or process has not failed us.. at-least not yet, *hit happens when you least expect it to
Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC? Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.
Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote: Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote: about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------
THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
Are the results still being done electronically? I thought that system was abandoned for the manual that has started this morning with 3 constituencies? On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC?
*Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology*
As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican>
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.
Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican>
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------
THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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If he hasn't committed suicide already, then I don't know. What he's done (buck stops with him anyway for recruiting the minions) is an abomination - in Naija parlance! PS: I will never apologize for this. On 6 March 2013 15:02, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC?
*Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology*
As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican>
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.
Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican>
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------
THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of
@white african, Dismas Ongondi is on dongondi@iebc.or.ke- but obviously he is unlikely to have time to check his emails :-) @ Wash, I wouldn't blame Dismas on this hitch. We must appreciate that IT has moved beyond the cables and software and is now a really a Board Room issue. Blaming Dismas for this is similar to a bank(organisation) sacking the Finance Director because the Bank posted loses. Replacing the Bank's Finance Director does NOT mean you will avoid the loses the following year. In other words, making loses (or failures) is a manifestation of deeper systemic factors that include both Micro(internal) and Macro (external) issues. As someone who works in a "semi"-government institution, I can tell you that one may know what needs to be done, but getting it done requires so many chains of approval that most of time, you are always running on a crisis mode. I recall once I was trans-"fired" because the Web +email serever had crashed. And this was because the organisation had not bought the server hardware (procurement issues) and so we were keeping the eServices running on an old PC borrowed from somewhere. The hard-disk+memory simply got overwhelmed and the box eventually collapsed before the organisation could get its act together. Was I qualified? I hope so, Did I ask my organisation for the correct hardware at the right time, I definately think so. Was I creative (by making to do with what was available?) I believe so. But when it failed, the top had to look for a fall-down guy. Such reactions are cosmetic and not transformative since the underlying problem remains and will keep erupting, again and again. The best solution, is for organisations to appreciate that ICT is no longer a "support" function. It is now THE FUNCTION/DNA of an organisation. You switch it off, you kill the organisation. And unless and until ICT becomes a board/commissions' standing agenda the same way, Finance & Audit, or HR & Remuneration maybe, then we may today ask for Dismas Ongondi's head, and tomorrow, it will be Washington Odhiambo's neck...either the problem will stubbornly be still be here with us in 2017. walu. ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? If he hasn't committed suicide already, then I don't know. What he's done (buck stops with him anyway for recruiting the minions) is an abomination - in Naija parlance! PS: I will never apologize for this. On 6 March 2013 15:02, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote: Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC? the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically.
Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.
Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------
THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:-
First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Despite Safaricom's press release, they were involved in transmitting the results. Can they explain why the transmission via their VPN failed? Edith From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Erik Hersman Sent: March 6, 2013 3:02 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC? Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com<http://www.ushahidi.com/> | www.iHub.co.ke<http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com<http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com<mailto:dmuthoni@gmail.com>> wrote: I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin. Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com<mailto:erik@zungu.com>> wrote: Agosta, I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong? That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought? Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com<http://www.ushahidi.com/> | www.iHub.co.ke<http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com<http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com<mailto:agostal@gmail.com>> wrote: Daudi My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover. Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !! There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc Maybe this will bring in more grants ..... Thanks On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com<mailto:daudi.were@gmail.com>> wrote: On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com<mailto:agostal@gmail.com>> wrote: about the RFP ... ---------------------------------------- THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP ---------------------------------------- Liko, The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on. The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document. We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not. D _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/erik%40zungu.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:10:13 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I want to agree. It is not "failure" per see. Why should it fail on such a massive scale when all efforts were supposed to have been made to make it work. Oloo Janak ________________________________ From: "dmakali@yahoo.com" <dmakali@yahoo.com> To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:10:13 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/williamjanak%40yahoo.c... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:45:13 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:10:13 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Daktari, the possibility of sabotage in a highly contested and complex elections such as this cannot be ruled out until all the results are announced and all players agree there were no issues. Even in the case of the spoilt votes, you must have read or heard of various claims related to that. there is alot of apprehension over this election and we can only remain cautiously optimistic. Janak. ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: williamjanak@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:45:13 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:10:13 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/williamjanak%40yahoo.c... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
It may be water under the bridge in that its already done and decisions made but are we saying that the IEBC failed to plan for this eventuality? Is it Safaricom's fault that the server database crumbled under pressure? What of the money spent on the system? This is not a witch hunt but rather a concern on the waste that is being perpetuated by the independent body. Not least is the opacity around what exactly is going on and why the system was abandoned. Meanwhile the economy is hemorrhaging with people not going to work and trade and industry in the doldrums due to anxiety. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:50 PM, william janak <williamjanak@yahoo.com>wrote:
Daktari, the possibility of sabotage in a highly contested and complex elections such as this cannot be ruled out until all the results are announced and all players agree there were no issues. Even in the case of the spoilt votes, you must have read or heard of various claims related to that. there is alot of apprehension over this election and we can only remain cautiously optimistic.
Janak.
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David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage?
Ndemo.
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Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task.
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Daktari, we are not talking abt the human errors of the voting process. That was manual. Rather we are interested and reviewing what happened to the IT part of the exercise! The transmission of the results did not simply fail from overload or any technical hiccup. What exactly transpired that isaack is only referring to euphemistically as "technical challenges"? Am sure you know that the system did not just malfunction but suffered frm manipulation. I stand to be correcyted but Can a system trigger itself to generate results and alter its data transmission logs? Lets just say all of us are being patriotic and acting in the national interest at this time but sm1 should not think we are fooled. The truth will sooner than later become apparent. But i truly appreciate your contribution. - Makali Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:23:33 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Reply-To: bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:45:13 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:10:13 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
I think the fact that IEBC Chairman has clearly indicated that the tallying system was built in-house (despite a process to procure an external contractor) clarifies where the buck stops. Since IEBC is flat out working to get the results out manually - it is probably better for us to wait until they are done before we start asking them the tough questions that have been floated over here. It would actually make sense if there was to be a forensic audit of the entire operation, all the way from planning to execution, in order to identify the problem areas and be careful to avoid them in the future - yes, we can learn from our mistakes. Best regards, Brian On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:51 PM, <dmakali@yahoo.com> wrote:
Daktari, we are not talking abt the human errors of the voting process. That was manual. Rather we are interested and reviewing what happened to the IT part of the exercise! The transmission of the results did not simply fail from overload or any technical hiccup. What exactly transpired that isaack is only referring to euphemistically as "technical challenges"?
Am sure you know that the system did not just malfunction but suffered frm manipulation. I stand to be correcyted but Can a system trigger itself to generate results and alter its data transmission logs? Lets just say all of us are being patriotic and acting in the national interest at this time but sm1 should not think we are fooled. The truth will sooner than later become apparent.
But i truly appreciate your contribution. - Makali
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David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage?
Ndemo.
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-----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange= jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:45:13 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task.
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I Concur, a forensic audit is in order. Bwana Ndemo's shop should take the lead in making this happen or eGov, whatever the case, Kenyans need candid answers, Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Brian Munyao Longwe [blongwe@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 2:27 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? I think the fact that IEBC Chairman has clearly indicated that the tallying system was built in-house (despite a process to procure an external contractor) clarifies where the buck stops. Since IEBC is flat out working to get the results out manually - it is probably better for us to wait until they are done before we start asking them the tough questions that have been floated over here. It would actually make sense if there was to be a forensic audit of the entire operation, all the way from planning to execution, in order to identify the problem areas and be careful to avoid them in the future - yes, we can learn from our mistakes. Best regards, Brian On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:51 PM, <dmakali@yahoo.com<mailto:dmakali@yahoo.com>> wrote: Daktari, we are not talking abt the human errors of the voting process. That was manual. Rather we are interested and reviewing what happened to the IT part of the exercise! The transmission of the results did not simply fail from overload or any technical hiccup. What exactly transpired that isaack is only referring to euphemistically as "technical challenges"? Am sure you know that the system did not just malfunction but suffered frm manipulation. I stand to be correcyted but Can a system trigger itself to generate results and alter its data transmission logs? Lets just say all of us are being patriotic and acting in the national interest at this time but sm1 should not think we are fooled. The truth will sooner than later become apparent. But i truly appreciate your contribution. - Makali Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke<mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:23:33 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com<mailto:dmakali@yahoo.com>> Reply-To: bitange@jambo.co.ke<mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com<mailto:dmakali@yahoo.com> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:45:13 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke<mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke>> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com<mailto:dmakali@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:10:13 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com<mailto:dmakali@yahoo.com>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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David, The system was bound to crash if the server capacity was not able to process multiple transactions. This is what happened with KNEC twice. Had we outsourced processing to a large data centre like the Safaricom one, we could have finished the processing in a matter of hours. Further, someone should have informed Safaricom that the server processing capacity could not handle huge number of transactions in which case Safaricom would have slowed the feed to allow the number of transactions it could handle. This is like trying to pump water from a two inch pipe through a half inch pipe. Pressure increases and eventually the pipes snap. This is all water under the bridge now. We now must examine the problem and avoid the mistakes in the future. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:51:21 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Daktari, we are not talking abt the human errors of the voting process. That was manual. Rather we are interested and reviewing what happened to the IT part of the exercise! The transmission of the results did not simply fail from overload or any technical hiccup. What exactly transpired that isaack is only referring to euphemistically as "technical challenges"? Am sure you know that the system did not just malfunction but suffered frm manipulation. I stand to be correcyted but Can a system trigger itself to generate results and alter its data transmission logs? Lets just say all of us are being patriotic and acting in the national interest at this time but sm1 should not think we are fooled. The truth will sooner than later become apparent. But i truly appreciate your contribution. - Makali Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:23:33 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Reply-To: bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:45:13 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:10:13 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Dr. Ndemo, Safaricom's infrastructure handles over 107,000 transactions per day on MPesa only that does not include text messages therefore in terms of capacity the blame can not rest there, if you had been proactive then IEBC could have used the Safaricom CLOUD to handle the transactions as it was full hardy of IEBC to want to implement such a complex infrastructure that was only needed for 2 days and the same applies for KNEC. We had roughly 34,000 polling stations each sending roughly 1 kilobyte of data for each of the 6 categories so assuming that all the polling stations sent their data at exactly the same time we should have had a volume of 34,000 kilobytes or 34 megabytes Raila 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 Uhuru 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 Olekiyapi 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 Martha 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 Peter Kenneth 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 Dida 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 Muite 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 Mudavadi 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 99999999 mySQL can handle over 3,000 transactions per second using 12 threads which would mean the entire 34,000 transactions would take 12 seconds and I am sure that the machine being used by the IEBC has a cache of at least 512 megabytes therefore there would be no need for Safaricom to slow down transmission. I will leave the calculation of the required bandwidth to transmit 34 megabytes to the geeks on the forum, it is a clear indication that the problem was elsewhere and not on the infrastructure. This was the math that I would have expected to be going on but instead we are speculating about legal issues, please note that there is a very big difference between and electronic transmission and a machine readable transmission but what do lawyers know about IT? Which explains why a one can only be called a learned friend if he has two degrees of which law is one which is why in India, the USA and many other countries law cannot be done as a first degree. But in Kenya not only is that the norm but we have also gone to the level of offering journalism as a first degree. The fall back to a manual systems is a clear reflection of where Kenya really stands as a technology enabled country. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: "bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013, 22:28 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? David, The system was bound to crash if the server capacity was not able to process multiple transactions. This is what happened with KNEC twice. Had we outsourced processing to a large data centre like the Safaricom one, we could have finished the processing in a matter of hours. Further, someone should have informed Safaricom that the server processing capacity could not handle huge number of transactions in which case Safaricom would have slowed the feed to allow the number of transactions it could handle. This is like trying to pump water from a two inch pipe through a half inch pipe. Pressure increases and eventually the pipes snap. This is all water under the bridge now. We now must examine the problem and avoid the mistakes in the future. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:51:21 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Daktari, we are not talking abt the human errors of the voting process. That was manual. Rather we are interested and reviewing what happened to the IT part of the exercise! The transmission of the results did not simply fail from overload or any technical hiccup. What exactly transpired that isaack is only referring to euphemistically as "technical challenges"? Am sure you know that the system did not just malfunction but suffered frm manipulation. I stand to be correcyted but Can a system trigger itself to generate results and alter its data transmission logs? Lets just say all of us are being patriotic and acting in the national interest at this time but sm1 should not think we are fooled. The truth will sooner than later become apparent. But i truly appreciate your contribution. - Makali Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:23:33 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Reply-To: bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:45:13 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task. 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Listers do We recall this!? Electronic Voting Systems in Africa ICT Africa Writer February 26, 2013 With the help of Google and mobile phone companies in Kenya, the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission is implementing an electronic voting system. The commission has come up with a plan that will guarantee election transparency and quick delivery of election results. "Results from each of the polling stations will be transmitted to three counting centres, using the Electronic Results Transmission (ERT) platform. With rapid delivery of results, suspicion of results tempering will hopefully be put to rest." After Kenya has pioneered this form of voting system in Africa, we hope other countries in Africa, including Zimbabwe, will follow their steps....??? And this why we need to investigate what happened. This will provide the much neeed lessons for others The objective was "election transparency and quick transmission of results to rid kenyans of tampering suspicion " .who is fooling who? Nancy Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+n_macharia=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 19:28:35 To: <n_macharia@yahoo.co.uk> Reply-To: bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? David, The system was bound to crash if the server capacity was not able to process multiple transactions. This is what happened with KNEC twice. Had we outsourced processing to a large data centre like the Safaricom one, we could have finished the processing in a matter of hours. Further, someone should have informed Safaricom that the server processing capacity could not handle huge number of transactions in which case Safaricom would have slowed the feed to allow the number of transactions it could handle. This is like trying to pump water from a two inch pipe through a half inch pipe. Pressure increases and eventually the pipes snap. This is all water under the bridge now. We now must examine the problem and avoid the mistakes in the future. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:51:21 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Daktari, we are not talking abt the human errors of the voting process. That was manual. Rather we are interested and reviewing what happened to the IT part of the exercise! The transmission of the results did not simply fail from overload or any technical hiccup. What exactly transpired that isaack is only referring to euphemistically as "technical challenges"? Am sure you know that the system did not just malfunction but suffered frm manipulation. I stand to be correcyted but Can a system trigger itself to generate results and alter its data transmission logs? Lets just say all of us are being patriotic and acting in the national interest at this time but sm1 should not think we are fooled. The truth will sooner than later become apparent. But i truly appreciate your contribution. - Makali Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:23:33 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Reply-To: bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:45:13 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:10:13 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Bwana Ndemo The first article that Muthoni shared which exposed the failure of the system at demo stage asked very fundamental questions. Those questions must be answered as we try to unearth what happened. in this day and age of cloud computing, why would you be talking of a server unable to cope? It seems hacking the system was not difficult from the layers described by Erik and managed by 4-5 different companies not under one management structure. Finally, as an industry, we should have had more interest in interogating and auditing this system. Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of dmakali@yahoo.com [dmakali@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:51 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Daktari, we are not talking abt the human errors of the voting process. That was manual. Rather we are interested and reviewing what happened to the IT part of the exercise! The transmission of the results did not simply fail from overload or any technical hiccup. What exactly transpired that isaack is only referring to euphemistically as "technical challenges"? Am sure you know that the system did not just malfunction but suffered frm manipulation. I stand to be correcyted but Can a system trigger itself to generate results and alter its data transmission logs? Lets just say all of us are being patriotic and acting in the national interest at this time but sm1 should not think we are fooled. The truth will sooner than later become apparent. But i truly appreciate your contribution. - Makali Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: bitange@jambo.co.ke Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 18:23:33 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Reply-To: bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:45:13 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+dmakali=yahoo.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:10:13 To: <dmakali@yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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Edith, As Walubengo has said, working in Government is like trying to solve a giant jigsaw puzzle. Our new governance structures have made it even more complex. We have several independent organizations that literraly want to be independent from government. My interpretation of the constitution is that independent organizations are only functionally independent. If for example we had made an effort to have Muthoni's concerns addressed, we could have landed into problems with calls of interverance with an independent organization. As I have always argued in this forum, we as people lack moral standards that are essential to mutual trust. We have spent fifty years since independence mistrusting one another. As we we begin the next fifty years, let us build a new Kenya where values and trust are the key connerstones of our development. Ndemo.
Bwana Ndemo
The first article that Muthoni shared which exposed the failure of the system at demo stage asked very fundamental questions. Those questions must be answered as we try to unearth what happened.
in this day and age of cloud computing, why would you be talking of a server unable to cope? It seems hacking the system was not difficult from the layers described by Erik and managed by 4-5 different companies not under one management structure.
Finally, as an industry, we should have had more interest in interogating and auditing this system.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of dmakali@yahoo.com [dmakali@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:51 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Daktari, we are not talking abt the human errors of the voting process. That was manual. Rather we are interested and reviewing what happened to the IT part of the exercise! The transmission of the results did not simply fail from overload or any technical hiccup. What exactly transpired that isaack is only referring to euphemistically as "technical challenges"?
Am sure you know that the system did not just malfunction but suffered frm manipulation. I stand to be correcyted but Can a system trigger itself to generate results and alter its data transmission logs? Lets just say all of us are being patriotic and acting in the national interest at this time but sm1 should not think we are fooled. The truth will sooner than later become apparent.
But i truly appreciate your contribution. - Makali
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David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage?
Ndemo.
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-----Original Message----- From: dmakali@yahoo.com Sender: "kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 17:45:13 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: dmakali@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task.
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Dr. Ndemo, You are very right. I have worked on many government software projects and i know that many times providing unsolicited professional assistance or advice can land you in many problems due to mistrust. Even adding a nice-to-have feature to a software solution can give you worse problems. What i think we need to learn from this experience is that an institution within government needs to be mandated to lead quality assurance and IS audit process for all agencies. This "independent organisation/commission" mindset and attitude may lead to lots of problems due to omissions, inexperience and incompetence. Regards, Muthoni On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:15 AM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Edith, As Walubengo has said, working in Government is like trying to solve a giant jigsaw puzzle. Our new governance structures have made it even more complex. We have several independent organizations that literraly want to be independent from government. My interpretation of the constitution is that independent organizations are only functionally independent. If for example we had made an effort to have Muthoni's concerns addressed, we could have landed into problems with calls of interverance with an independent organization.
As I have always argued in this forum, we as people lack moral standards that are essential to mutual trust. We have spent fifty years since independence mistrusting one another. As we we begin the next fifty years, let us build a new Kenya where values and trust are the key connerstones of our development.
Ndemo.
Bwana Ndemo
The first article that Muthoni shared which exposed the failure of the system at demo stage asked very fundamental questions. Those questions must be answered as we try to unearth what happened.
in this day and age of cloud computing, why would you be talking of a server unable to cope? It seems hacking the system was not difficult from the layers described by Erik and managed by 4-5 different companies not under one management structure.
Finally, as an industry, we should have had more interest in interogating and auditing this system.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of dmakali@yahoo.com [dmakali@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:51 PM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Daktari, we are not talking abt the human errors of the voting process. That was manual. Rather we are interested and reviewing what happened to the IT part of the exercise! The transmission of the results did not simply fail from overload or any technical hiccup. What exactly transpired that isaack is only referring to euphemistically as "technical challenges"?
Am sure you know that the system did not just malfunction but suffered frm manipulation. I stand to be correcyted but Can a system trigger itself to generate results and alter its data transmission logs? Lets just say all of us are being patriotic and acting in the national interest at this time but sm1 should not think we are fooled. The truth will sooner than later become apparent.
But i truly appreciate your contribution. - Makali
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David, A lot has been said in the social media trying to advance different theories of. Why the systems failed but what will matter are the final vote count. These were just provisional results that were to be verified before announcing the winner and were to be transmitted within a given time. Electronic results were to be like exit polls. There were human errors that should not have happened. Look at the number of spoilt votes. Can we say it was sabotage?
Ndemo.
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Why is this being addressed as IT "failure" and not "sabotage"?. I would think failure is when a system "fails" to function according to its intended or programmed purpose and not when its "functioning" is interfered with so as to derail it from performing the set task.
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@Edith, Safaricom cannot explain anything to do with IEBC Servers and laptops and even the Nokia phones IEBC used! I'll try to elaborate slightly: 1. Safaricom gives connectivity, much like a highway to drive on at a certain maximum speed. They ensured that IEBC got this and I must emphasize I was a witness to this, having sat with Bob Collymore and other Safaricom's top Manager at the Safaricom Network Monitoring Centre (NMC) from 6.30pm on Monday to about 8am on Tuesday. During this time, myself and other representatives of political parties and representative from IEBC had unfettered access to the NMC and the Engineers on duty to ensure there were no issues affecting the "highway". I don't remember seeing any failures on the highway, and besides there was enough redundancy in place to mitigate that. 2. Safaricom DID NOT have access to IEBC servers - which form the "backend" of the transmission system. Neither did Safaricom have access to the mobile phones that were used as "frontend". These two were communicating via a VPN. The encryption within this VPN was IEBCs business. IEBC was responsible for configuring the frontend-backend communication. When IEBCs Server disk filled up (ran out of space) it was IEBCs business to fix, not Safaricoms. I remember when results stopped trickling in, I did raise the question and CORD's representative at the NMC went to Bomas, where he got the information that there had been issues with HDD storage. I also recall Safaricom's Nzioka Waita rushing to Bomas to get to establish what the real problem was. Of course it was beyond his mandate to manage IEBC's Server. This whole s*^t is IEBCs to answer for, NOT Safaricom. Look at the failure as being on the "Submission System" (frontend-backend) and not on the highway. I am not speaking on behalf of Safaricom, but as one person who has first hand information from Safaricom's NMC while representing a political coalition's interests. Oh, and Jubilee Coalition did not send a representative. I also don't recall seeing someone representing Amani coalition, but they all had invitation to attend. On 6 March 2013 20:10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Despite Safaricom’s press release, they were involved in transmitting the results. Can they explain why the transmission via their VPN failed?** **
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Erik Hersman *Sent:* March 6, 2013 3:02 PM
*To:* Edith Adera *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?****
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Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC?****
*Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology*****
As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. ****
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www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/>****
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:****
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I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.****
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Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.****
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On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:****
Agosta,****
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I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?****
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That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?****
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My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks****
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:* ***
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about the RFP ...
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THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
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The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. ****
We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. ****
Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on. ****
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The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document. ****
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Time to mutually agree that those whom voted electronically continue indulging in ICT nitpicking while those whom voted manually concentrate on manual results announced by electoral authority? ________________________________ From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: ict.researcher@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? @Edith, Safaricom cannot explain anything to do with IEBC Servers and laptops and even the Nokia phones IEBC used! I'll try to elaborate slightly: 1. Safaricom gives connectivity, much like a highway to drive on at a certain maximum speed. They ensured that IEBC got this and I must emphasize I was a witness to this, having sat with Bob Collymore and other Safaricom's top Manager at the Safaricom Network Monitoring Centre (NMC) from 6.30pm on Monday to about 8am on Tuesday. During this time, myself and other representatives of political parties and representative from IEBC had unfettered access to the NMC and the Engineers on duty to ensure there were no issues affecting the "highway". I don't remember seeing any failures on the highway, and besides there was enough redundancy in place to mitigate that. 2. Safaricom DID NOT have access to IEBC servers - which form the "backend" of the transmission system. Neither did Safaricom have access to the mobile phones that were used as "frontend". These two were communicating via a VPN. The encryption within this VPN was IEBCs business. IEBC was responsible for configuring the frontend-backend communication. When IEBCs Server disk filled up (ran out of space) it was IEBCs business to fix, not Safaricoms. I remember when results stopped trickling in, I did raise the question and CORD's representative at the NMC went to Bomas, where he got the information that there had been issues with HDD storage. I also recall Safaricom's Nzioka Waita rushing to Bomas to get to establish what the real problem was. Of course it was beyond his mandate to manage IEBC's Server. This whole s*^t is IEBCs to answer for, NOT Safaricom. Look at the failure as being on the "Submission System" (frontend-backend) and not on the highway. I am not speaking on behalf of Safaricom, but as one person who has first hand information from Safaricom's NMC while representing a political coalition's interests. Oh, and Jubilee Coalition did not send a representative. I also don't recall seeing someone representing Amani coalition, but they all had invitation to attend. On 6 March 2013 20:10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Despite Safaricom’s press release, they were involved in transmitting the results. Can they explain why the transmission via their VPN failed?
Edith From:kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Erik Hersman Sent: March 6, 2013 3:02 PM
To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC? Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin. Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote: Agosta, I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong? That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought? Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote: Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote: On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote: about the RFP ...
---------------------------------------- THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
---------------------------------------- Liko, The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on. The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document. We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not. D _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/erik%40zungu.com
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Folks: Whiles this post-motem is relevant, i think the timing is out of sync. In my view the most relevant "to do" now is "how do we get the RESULTS out PEACEFULLY and below is what i suggest members of this list consider; 1. Lets calm tempers and do our best to reduce the tension, 2. Lets find ways of helping the IEBC to deliver on it's mandate of collating and declaring the results, 3. Let all parties be ready to accept the results and if they are not satisfied, approach the law courts instead of the media and streets. Unfortunately, distance wont allow me to help in this exercise but i trust it can be done, peacefully. Then we can do the post-motem properly. Eric here On 7 Mar 2013, at 18:31, ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> wrote:
Time to mutually agree that those whom voted electronically continue indulging in ICT nitpicking while those whom voted manually concentrate on manual results announced by electoral authority?
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: ict.researcher@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
@Edith,
Safaricom cannot explain anything to do with IEBC Servers and laptops and even the Nokia phones IEBC used! I'll try to elaborate slightly:
1. Safaricom gives connectivity, much like a highway to drive on at a certain maximum speed. They ensured that IEBC got this and I must emphasize I was a witness to this, having sat with Bob Collymore and other Safaricom's top Manager at the Safaricom Network Monitoring Centre (NMC) from 6.30pm on Monday to about 8am on Tuesday. During this time, myself and other representatives of political parties and representative from IEBC had unfettered access to the NMC and the Engineers on duty to ensure there were no issues affecting the "highway". I don't remember seeing any failures on the highway, and besides there was enough redundancy in place to mitigate that.
2. Safaricom DID NOT have access to IEBC servers - which form the "backend" of the transmission system. Neither did Safaricom have access to the mobile phones that were used as "frontend". These two were communicating via a VPN. The encryption within this VPN was IEBCs business. IEBC was responsible for configuring the frontend-backend communication. When IEBCs Server disk filled up (ran out of space) it was IEBCs business to fix, not Safaricoms. I remember when results stopped trickling in, I did raise the question and CORD's representative at the NMC went to Bomas, where he got the information that there had been issues with HDD storage. I also recall Safaricom's Nzioka Waita rushing to Bomas to get to establish what the real problem was. Of course it was beyond his mandate to manage IEBC's Server.
This whole s*^t is IEBCs to answer for, NOT Safaricom. Look at the failure as being on the "Submission System" (frontend-backend) and not on the highway.
I am not speaking on behalf of Safaricom, but as one person who has first hand information from Safaricom's NMC while representing a political coalition's interests. Oh, and Jubilee Coalition did not send a representative. I also don't recall seeing someone representing Amani coalition, but they all had invitation to attend.
On 6 March 2013 20:10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Despite Safaricom’s press release, they were involved in transmitting the results. Can they explain why the transmission via their VPN failed?
Edith
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Erik Hersman Sent: March 6, 2013 3:02 PM
To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC? Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.
Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote: Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote: about the RFP ...
---------------------------------------- THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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We have set up a widget online through which people can send a text message to friends encouraging them to keep the peace and remain patient. The text message is free. You can use it at www.GotToVote.co.ke and the gadget can be embedded on other websites or blogs as well. Simply copy the code below and paste in a blogpost or on your website. <iframe src="http://gottovote.co.ke/smswidget" height="523px" width="560px"></iframe> We can do our part by urging people to be patient. Kind regards, Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:58 PM, <ericosiakwan@me.com> wrote:
Folks:
Whiles this post-motem is relevant, i think the timing is out of sync. In my view the most relevant "to do" now is "how do we get the RESULTS out PEACEFULLY and below is what i suggest members of this list consider;
1. Lets calm tempers and do our best to reduce the tension, 2. Lets find ways of helping the IEBC to deliver on it's mandate of collating and declaring the results, 3. Let all parties be ready to accept the results and if they are not satisfied, approach the law courts instead of the media and streets.
Unfortunately, distance wont allow me to help in this exercise but i trust it can be done, peacefully. Then we can do the post-motem properly.
Eric here
On 7 Mar 2013, at 18:31, ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> wrote:
Time to mutually agree that those whom voted electronically continue indulging in ICT nitpicking while those whom voted manually concentrate on manual results announced by electoral authority?
------------------------------ *From:* Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> *To:* ict.researcher@yahoo.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2013 9:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
@Edith,
Safaricom cannot explain anything to do with IEBC Servers and laptops and even the Nokia phones IEBC used! I'll try to elaborate slightly:
1. Safaricom gives connectivity, much like a highway to drive on at a certain maximum speed. They ensured that IEBC got this and I must emphasize I was a witness to this, having sat with Bob Collymore and other Safaricom's top Manager at the Safaricom Network Monitoring Centre (NMC) from 6.30pm on Monday to about 8am on Tuesday. During this time, myself and other representatives of political parties and representative from IEBC had unfettered access to the NMC and the Engineers on duty to ensure there were no issues affecting the "highway". I don't remember seeing any failures on the highway, and besides there was enough redundancy in place to mitigate that.
2. Safaricom DID NOT have access to IEBC servers - which form the "backend" of the transmission system. Neither did Safaricom have access to the mobile phones that were used as "frontend". These two were communicating via a VPN. The encryption within this VPN was IEBCs business. IEBC was responsible for configuring the frontend-backend communication. When IEBCs Server disk filled up (ran out of space) it was IEBCs business to fix, not Safaricoms. I remember when results stopped trickling in, I did raise the question and CORD's representative at the NMC went to Bomas, where he got the information that there had been issues with HDD storage. I also recall Safaricom's Nzioka Waita rushing to Bomas to get to establish what the real problem was. Of course it was beyond his mandate to manage IEBC's Server.
This whole s*^t is IEBCs to answer for, NOT Safaricom. Look at the failure as being on the "Submission System" (frontend-backend) and not on the highway.
I am not speaking on behalf of Safaricom, but as one person who has first hand information from Safaricom's NMC while representing a political coalition's interests. Oh, and Jubilee Coalition did not send a representative. I also don't recall seeing someone representing Amani coalition, but they all had invitation to attend.
On 6 March 2013 20:10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Despite Safaricom’s press release, they were involved in transmitting the results. Can they explain why the transmission via their VPN failed?** ** ** ** Edith**** ** ** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Erik Hersman *Sent:* March 6, 2013 3:02 PM
*To:* Edith Adera *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?**** ** ** Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC?**** *Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology***** As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. **** Erik Hersman**** ** ** www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/>**** www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> **** ** ** ** ** On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:* ***
**** I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.**** ** ** Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.**** ** ** ** ** On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:**** Agosta,**** ** ** I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?**** ** ** That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought? **** ** ** Erik Hersman**** ** ** www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/>**** www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> **** ** ** On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:**** ** **
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks**** On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote: **** ** ** ** ** On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:**** about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------**** THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------**** ** ** Liko,**** ** ** The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. **** We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. **** Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on. **** ** ** The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document. **** ** ** We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not. ** ** ** ** D**** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet**** Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/erik%40zungu.com****
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.....very loud applause. Good weekend ya all and let's keep the peace, we are almost there so no matter what, let there be peace..... Eric here Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2013, at 20:35, Muchiri Nyaggah <muchiri@semacraft.com> wrote:
We have set up a widget online through which people can send a text message to friends encouraging them to keep the peace and remain patient. The text message is free.
You can use it at www.GotToVote.co.ke and the gadget can be embedded on other websites or blogs as well. Simply copy the code below and paste in a blogpost or on your website.
<iframe src="http://gottovote.co.ke/smswidget" height="523px" width="560px"></iframe>
We can do our part by urging people to be patient.
Kind regards,
Muchiri Nyaggah | LEAD FELLOW, CODE4KENYA @muchiri Cell: +254 722 506400 Skype: mrmuchiri WWW.CODE4KENYA.ORG
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:58 PM, <ericosiakwan@me.com> wrote:
Folks:
Whiles this post-motem is relevant, i think the timing is out of sync. In my view the most relevant "to do" now is "how do we get the RESULTS out PEACEFULLY and below is what i suggest members of this list consider;
1. Lets calm tempers and do our best to reduce the tension, 2. Lets find ways of helping the IEBC to deliver on it's mandate of collating and declaring the results, 3. Let all parties be ready to accept the results and if they are not satisfied, approach the law courts instead of the media and streets.
Unfortunately, distance wont allow me to help in this exercise but i trust it can be done, peacefully. Then we can do the post-motem properly.
Eric here
On 7 Mar 2013, at 18:31, ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> wrote:
Time to mutually agree that those whom voted electronically continue indulging in ICT nitpicking while those whom voted manually concentrate on manual results announced by electoral authority?
From: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> To: ict.researcher@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
@Edith,
Safaricom cannot explain anything to do with IEBC Servers and laptops and even the Nokia phones IEBC used! I'll try to elaborate slightly:
1. Safaricom gives connectivity, much like a highway to drive on at a certain maximum speed. They ensured that IEBC got this and I must emphasize I was a witness to this, having sat with Bob Collymore and other Safaricom's top Manager at the Safaricom Network Monitoring Centre (NMC) from 6.30pm on Monday to about 8am on Tuesday. During this time, myself and other representatives of political parties and representative from IEBC had unfettered access to the NMC and the Engineers on duty to ensure there were no issues affecting the "highway". I don't remember seeing any failures on the highway, and besides there was enough redundancy in place to mitigate that.
2. Safaricom DID NOT have access to IEBC servers - which form the "backend" of the transmission system. Neither did Safaricom have access to the mobile phones that were used as "frontend". These two were communicating via a VPN. The encryption within this VPN was IEBCs business. IEBC was responsible for configuring the frontend-backend communication. When IEBCs Server disk filled up (ran out of space) it was IEBCs business to fix, not Safaricoms. I remember when results stopped trickling in, I did raise the question and CORD's representative at the NMC went to Bomas, where he got the information that there had been issues with HDD storage. I also recall Safaricom's Nzioka Waita rushing to Bomas to get to establish what the real problem was. Of course it was beyond his mandate to manage IEBC's Server.
This whole s*^t is IEBCs to answer for, NOT Safaricom. Look at the failure as being on the "Submission System" (frontend-backend) and not on the highway.
I am not speaking on behalf of Safaricom, but as one person who has first hand information from Safaricom's NMC while representing a political coalition's interests. Oh, and Jubilee Coalition did not send a representative. I also don't recall seeing someone representing Amani coalition, but they all had invitation to attend.
On 6 March 2013 20:10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Despite Safaricom’s press release, they were involved in transmitting the results. Can they explain why the transmission via their VPN failed?
Edith
From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Erik Hersman Sent: March 6, 2013 3:02 PM
To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC? Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.
Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote: Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote: about the RFP ...
---------------------------------------- THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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Hi Eric, Thanks for your good wishes: On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:58 PM, <ericosiakwan@me.com> wrote:
Folks:
Whiles this post-motem is relevant, i think the timing is out of sync. In my view the most relevant "to do" now is "how do we get the RESULTS out PEACEFULLY and below is what i suggest members of this list consider;
1. Lets calm tempers and do our best to reduce the tension,
This has been the spirit before, during and after the voting
2. Lets find ways of helping the IEBC to deliver on it's mandate of collating and declaring the results,
The IEBC has the task well at hand and are handling the tallying and reporting of official/final results very well. The RTS system was merely a way of rapidly displaying provisional results.
3. Let all parties be ready to accept the results and if they are not satisfied, approach the law courts instead of the media and streets.
We are all praying for this. So far, all interested parties have contracted/committed to a code of conduct
Unfortunately, distance wont allow me to help in this exercise but i trust it can be done, peacefully. Then we can do the post-motem properly.
Eric here
On 7 Mar 2013, at 18:31, ICT Researcher <ict.researcher@yahoo.com> wrote:
Time to mutually agree that those whom voted electronically continue indulging in ICT nitpicking while those whom voted manually concentrate on manual results announced by electoral authority?
------------------------------ *From:* Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> *To:* ict.researcher@yahoo.com *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2013 9:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
@Edith,
Safaricom cannot explain anything to do with IEBC Servers and laptops and even the Nokia phones IEBC used! I'll try to elaborate slightly:
1. Safaricom gives connectivity, much like a highway to drive on at a certain maximum speed. They ensured that IEBC got this and I must emphasize I was a witness to this, having sat with Bob Collymore and other Safaricom's top Manager at the Safaricom Network Monitoring Centre (NMC) from 6.30pm on Monday to about 8am on Tuesday. During this time, myself and other representatives of political parties and representative from IEBC had unfettered access to the NMC and the Engineers on duty to ensure there were no issues affecting the "highway". I don't remember seeing any failures on the highway, and besides there was enough redundancy in place to mitigate that.
2. Safaricom DID NOT have access to IEBC servers - which form the "backend" of the transmission system. Neither did Safaricom have access to the mobile phones that were used as "frontend". These two were communicating via a VPN. The encryption within this VPN was IEBCs business. IEBC was responsible for configuring the frontend-backend communication. When IEBCs Server disk filled up (ran out of space) it was IEBCs business to fix, not Safaricoms. I remember when results stopped trickling in, I did raise the question and CORD's representative at the NMC went to Bomas, where he got the information that there had been issues with HDD storage. I also recall Safaricom's Nzioka Waita rushing to Bomas to get to establish what the real problem was. Of course it was beyond his mandate to manage IEBC's Server.
This whole s*^t is IEBCs to answer for, NOT Safaricom. Look at the failure as being on the "Submission System" (frontend-backend) and not on the highway.
I am not speaking on behalf of Safaricom, but as one person who has first hand information from Safaricom's NMC while representing a political coalition's interests. Oh, and Jubilee Coalition did not send a representative. I also don't recall seeing someone representing Amani coalition, but they all had invitation to attend.
On 6 March 2013 20:10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Despite Safaricom’s press release, they were involved in transmitting the results. Can they explain why the transmission via their VPN failed?** ** ** ** Edith**** ** ** *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Erik Hersman *Sent:* March 6, 2013 3:02 PM
*To:* Edith Adera *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?**** ** ** Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC?**** *Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology***** As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. **** Erik Hersman**** ** ** www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/>**** www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> **** ** ** ** ** On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:* ***
**** I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.**** ** ** Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.**** ** ** ** ** On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:**** Agosta,**** ** ** I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?**** ** ** That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought? **** ** ** Erik Hersman**** ** ** www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/>**** www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> **** ** ** On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:**** ** **
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks**** On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote: **** ** ** ** ** On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:**** about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------**** THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------**** ** ** Liko,**** ** ** The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. **** We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. **** Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on. **** ** ** The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document. **** ** ** We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not. ** ** ** ** D**** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet**** Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/erik%40zungu.com****
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Wash, Could the mobile handsets really have been communicating via a VPN? I don't think that the features and specification of the handsets could support a VPN client? Could it be that they were using a private/dedicated APN configured by Safaricom? Best regards, Brian On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Edith,
Safaricom cannot explain anything to do with IEBC Servers and laptops and even the Nokia phones IEBC used! I'll try to elaborate slightly:
1. Safaricom gives connectivity, much like a highway to drive on at a certain maximum speed. They ensured that IEBC got this and I must emphasize I was a witness to this, having sat with Bob Collymore and other Safaricom's top Manager at the Safaricom Network Monitoring Centre (NMC) from 6.30pm on Monday to about 8am on Tuesday. During this time, myself and other representatives of political parties and representative from IEBC had unfettered access to the NMC and the Engineers on duty to ensure there were no issues affecting the "highway". I don't remember seeing any failures on the highway, and besides there was enough redundancy in place to mitigate that.
2. Safaricom DID NOT have access to IEBC servers - which form the "backend" of the transmission system. Neither did Safaricom have access to the mobile phones that were used as "frontend". These two were communicating via a VPN. The encryption within this VPN was IEBCs business. IEBC was responsible for configuring the frontend-backend communication. When IEBCs Server disk filled up (ran out of space) it was IEBCs business to fix, not Safaricoms. I remember when results stopped trickling in, I did raise the question and CORD's representative at the NMC went to Bomas, where he got the information that there had been issues with HDD storage. I also recall Safaricom's Nzioka Waita rushing to Bomas to get to establish what the real problem was. Of course it was beyond his mandate to manage IEBC's Server.
This whole s*^t is IEBCs to answer for, NOT Safaricom. Look at the failure as being on the "Submission System" (frontend-backend) and not on the highway.
I am not speaking on behalf of Safaricom, but as one person who has first hand information from Safaricom's NMC while representing a political coalition's interests. Oh, and Jubilee Coalition did not send a representative. I also don't recall seeing someone representing Amani coalition, but they all had invitation to attend.
On 6 March 2013 20:10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Despite Safaricom’s press release, they were involved in transmitting the results. Can they explain why the transmission via their VPN failed?* ***
** **
Edith****
** **
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Erik Hersman *Sent:* March 6, 2013 3:02 PM
*To:* Edith Adera *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?****
** **
Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC?****
*Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology*****
As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. ****
Erik Hersman****
** **
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/>****
www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> ****
** **
** **
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:*** *
****
I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.****
** **
Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.****
** **
** **
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:****
Agosta,****
** **
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?****
** **
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought? ****
** **
Erik Hersman****
** **
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/>****
www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> ****
** **
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:****
** **
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks****
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote: ****
** **
** **
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:****
about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------****
THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------****
** **
Liko,****
** **
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. ****
We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. ****
Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on. ****
** **
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document. ****
** **
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not. * ***
** **
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Brian, We did not inspect any equipment that was being used by IEBC - be it phones or any termination equipment and as such I am not in a position to answer to this. On 7 March 2013 21:53, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Wash,
Could the mobile handsets really have been communicating via a VPN? I don't think that the features and specification of the handsets could support a VPN client? Could it be that they were using a private/dedicated APN configured by Safaricom?
Best regards,
Brian
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Edith,
Safaricom cannot explain anything to do with IEBC Servers and laptops and even the Nokia phones IEBC used! I'll try to elaborate slightly:
1. Safaricom gives connectivity, much like a highway to drive on at a certain maximum speed. They ensured that IEBC got this and I must emphasize I was a witness to this, having sat with Bob Collymore and other Safaricom's top Manager at the Safaricom Network Monitoring Centre (NMC) from 6.30pm on Monday to about 8am on Tuesday. During this time, myself and other representatives of political parties and representative from IEBC had unfettered access to the NMC and the Engineers on duty to ensure there were no issues affecting the "highway". I don't remember seeing any failures on the highway, and besides there was enough redundancy in place to mitigate that.
2. Safaricom DID NOT have access to IEBC servers - which form the "backend" of the transmission system. Neither did Safaricom have access to the mobile phones that were used as "frontend". These two were communicating via a VPN. The encryption within this VPN was IEBCs business. IEBC was responsible for configuring the frontend-backend communication. When IEBCs Server disk filled up (ran out of space) it was IEBCs business to fix, not Safaricoms. I remember when results stopped trickling in, I did raise the question and CORD's representative at the NMC went to Bomas, where he got the information that there had been issues with HDD storage. I also recall Safaricom's Nzioka Waita rushing to Bomas to get to establish what the real problem was. Of course it was beyond his mandate to manage IEBC's Server.
This whole s*^t is IEBCs to answer for, NOT Safaricom. Look at the failure as being on the "Submission System" (frontend-backend) and not on the highway.
I am not speaking on behalf of Safaricom, but as one person who has first hand information from Safaricom's NMC while representing a political coalition's interests. Oh, and Jubilee Coalition did not send a representative. I also don't recall seeing someone representing Amani coalition, but they all had invitation to attend.
On 6 March 2013 20:10, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Despite Safaricom’s press release, they were involved in transmitting the results. Can they explain why the transmission via their VPN failed? ****
** **
Edith****
** **
*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera= idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Erik Hersman *Sent:* March 6, 2013 3:02 PM
*To:* Edith Adera *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?****
** **
Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC?****
*Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology*****
As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. ****
Erik Hersman****
** **
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/>****
www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> ****
** **
** **
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:** **
****
I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.****
** **
Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.****
** **
** **
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:****
Agosta,****
** **
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?****
** **
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought? ****
** **
Erik Hersman****
** **
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/>****
www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> ****
** **
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:****
** **
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks****
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:****
** **
** **
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:****
about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------****
THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------****
** **
Liko,****
** **
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. ****
We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. ****
Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on. ****
** **
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document. ****
** **
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not. ****
** **
D****
** **
** **
** **
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brian, vpn in this case is synonymous with a private apn. the client in this case the IEBC is responsible for whatever they put on that link. they can encrypt it, they can have local servers, they can have the data relayed to some remote server, they dictate who gets access etc. Most customers like financial institutions will add another security layer lets say for an atm. so yes a phone/client device could for instance have a vpn client that terminates to a remote vpn server. jgitau On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Wash,
Could the mobile handsets really have been communicating via a VPN? I don't think that the features and specification of the handsets could support a VPN client? Could it be that they were using a private/dedicated APN configured by Safaricom?
Best regards,
Brian
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Edith,
Safaricom cannot explain anything to do with IEBC Servers and laptops and even the Nokia phones IEBC used! I'll try to elaborate slightly:
1. Safaricom gives connectivity, much like a highway to drive on at a certain maximum speed. They ensured that IEBC got this and I must emphasize I was a witness to this, having sat with Bob Collymore and other Safaricom's top Manager at the Safaricom Network Monitoring Centre (NMC) from 6.30pm on Monday to about 8am on Tuesday. During this time, myself and other representatives of political parties and representative from IEBC had unfettered access to the NMC and the Engineers on duty to ensure there were no issues affecting the "highway". I don't remember seeing any failures on the highway, and besides there was enough redundancy in place to mitigate that.
2. Safaricom DID NOT have access to IEBC servers - which form the "backend" of the transmission system. Neither did Safaricom have access to the mobile phones that were used as "frontend". These two were communicating via a VPN. The encryption within this VPN was IEBCs business. IEBC was responsible for configuring the frontend-backend communication. When IEBCs Server disk filled up (ran out of space) it was IEBCs business to fix, not Safaricoms. I remember when results stopped trickling in, I did raise the question and CORD's representative at the NMC went to Bomas, where he got the information that there had been issues with HDD storage. I also recall Safaricom's Nzioka Waita rushing to Bomas to get to establish what the real problem was. Of course it was beyond his mandate to manage IEBC's Server.
This whole s*^t is IEBCs to answer for, NOT Safaricom. Look at the failure as being on the "Submission System" (frontend-backend) and not on the highway.
I am not speaking on behalf of Safaricom, but as one person who has first hand information from Safaricom's NMC while representing a political coalition's interests. Oh, and Jubilee Coalition did not send a representative. I also don't recall seeing someone representing Amani coalition, but they all had invitation to attend.
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Despite Safaricom’s press release, they were involved in transmitting the results. Can they explain why the transmission via their VPN failed? ****
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:** **
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I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.****
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Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.****
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I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?****
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That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought? ****
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:****
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My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks****
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about the RFP ...
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THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
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The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. ****
We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. ****
Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on. ****
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The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document. ****
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We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not. ****
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Dear Listers, Is this the right time to be asking Dismas to answer questions or getting him to get the results out? Let's focus on the BIG issue at the moment, the results are not out yet and this is the number one priority for IEBC and the staff and the country. After the results are out, we can call an open public forum that will give everyone time to respond. Right now political parties, candidates and the country are waiting for results and it would be unfair to expect IEBC to be answering questions on the systems right now. my two cents On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Does anyone on the list have the contact information for Dismas Ongondi at IEBC?
*Dismas Ongondi - Director of Information Communication Technology*
As head of the ICT department, he has been in charge of the technological revolution at the commission. The implementation of the an electronic results transmission technology and biometric voter registration has been under his docket. He is the man Kenyans will be focusing on tomorrow when Presidential results are relayed electronically. Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be curious to know when the selected vendor actually indeed receive their contract for the work to begin. My experience with public procurement (GoK, USAID, etc), once the bids are closed, it will usually take more than 30 days to get everything finalized internal to the buying organisation for a contract to be issued and hence works to begin.
Considering this was a software project for custom tool and several integration requirements with several third party applications. The problems were are seeing are really a manifestation of how the preparedness process went.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
about the RFP ...
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THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
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Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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On 7 March 2013 08:53, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote:
Dear Listers,
Is this the right time to be asking Dismas to answer questions or getting him to get the results out? Let's focus on the BIG issue at the moment, the results are not out yet and this is the number one priority for IEBC and the staff and the country. After the results are out, we can call an open public forum that will give everyone time to respond. Right now political parties, candidates and the country are waiting for results and it would be unfair to expect IEBC to be answering questions on the systems right now.
my two cents
Listers, A couple of things I find significant, 1. Our PS has come to this list to start addressing some of the concerns. The information the PS shares begins to explain the challenges we have all seen. Unlike others who have claimed that even asking questions is unpatriotic it is refreshing to see Daktari engage. 2. This is NOT just a technology problem, we have seen, even on this email chain, that conspiracy theories have fertile minds - one poster on this thread even implied that lives are in danger (extremely inflammatory speech). This is much more an integrity/credibility issue than a technology issue. 3. The credibility of the IEBC is crucial for the process to be successful. Before the election approval ratings of the IEBC were around 85%. This high credibility of the IEBC would be maintained if it was explained widely that what we saw a technology problem and not a results manipulation problem. So while it is important that results are processed quickly, it is equally important that the credibility of the institution releasing those results is maintained. D
+1 @ Erik, There is a lot of speculation on what the problems and nobody seems to be in the know of what the problem is. Another issue is it possible that nobody on this list was asked to go witness the demo or none of you really knew what was going on. Granted systems do fail and the best thing we can do now is just to get the results out and then we can get the inside story of what went wrong and learn from there. A case study On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
about the RFP ...
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THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
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Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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With a BBC journalist tweeting " "@ggatehouse: Deputy chair of IEBC told me cannot rule out the theory their system was hacked. At the moment they simply don't know. #Kenyadecides" and a local media house running a story alleging hacking yesterday, we do need facts. There are people out there peddling info claiming a certain group hacked into the servers, complete with provisional results "analysis" to show the same. This really doesn't put us in a pretty information where we can afford to sit and wait.
My thoughts exactly Dennis. Having the facts on how, who and what allows us to understand the situation. I'm not sure why it's an issue to try and gather that information, especially when no one at the IEBC is openly sharing it. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican US: 407.427.0412 | Kenya: +254 729.157.257 | Skype: ezungu On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
With a BBC journalist tweeting " "@ggatehouse: Deputy chair of IEBC told me cannot rule out the theory their system was hacked. At the moment they simply don't know. #Kenyadecides" and a local media house running a story alleging hacking yesterday, we do need facts.
There are people out there peddling info claiming a certain group hacked into the servers, complete with provisional results "analysis" to show the same.
This really doesn't put us in a pretty information where we can afford to sit and wait.
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Erik, I think this is where Kictanet Secretariat can kick in and show relevance in such a critical moment, where the nation seems to find itself waiting with abated breath, or can we mandate Erik to do this on behalf..? Does the IT team there understand the system deployed and now operational under their watch..? If so, can the ICT fraternity through our Secretariat write officially to get an understanding on what is happening, how it works? The flowchart on the system that guarantees integrity of the process despite these happenings..? Oh by the way, could the PS have some input.....? The days when we could spend time groping around in pitch darkness are so long gone, or is it ...? Harry From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Erik Hersman Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? My thoughts exactly Dennis. Having the facts on how, who and what allows us to understand the situation. I'm not sure why it's an issue to try and gather that information, especially when no one at the IEBC is openly sharing it. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com <http://www.ushahidi.com/> | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican <http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> US: 407.427.0412 | Kenya: +254 729.157.257 <tel:%2B254%20729.157.257> | Skype: ezungu On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: With a BBC journalist tweeting " "@ggatehouse: Deputy chair of IEBC told me cannot rule out the theory their system was hacked. At the moment they simply don't know. #Kenyadecides" and a local media house running a story alleging hacking yesterday, we do need facts. There are people out there peddling info claiming a certain group hacked into the servers, complete with provisional results "analysis" to show the same. This really doesn't put us in a pretty information where we can afford to sit and wait. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/erik%40zungu.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Secretariat...?? Harry From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:04 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Erik, I think this is where Kictanet Secretariat can kick in and show relevance in such a critical moment, where the nation seems to find itself waiting with abated breath, or can we mandate Erik to do this on behalf..? Does the IT team there understand the system deployed and now operational under their watch..? If so, can the ICT fraternity through our Secretariat write officially to get an understanding on what is happening, how it works? The flowchart on the system that guarantees integrity of the process despite these happenings..? Oh by the way, could the PS have some input.....? The days when we could spend time groping around in pitch darkness are so long gone, or is it ...? Harry From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Erik Hersman Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:32 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? My thoughts exactly Dennis. Having the facts on how, who and what allows us to understand the situation. I'm not sure why it's an issue to try and gather that information, especially when no one at the IEBC is openly sharing it. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com <http://www.ushahidi.com/> | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican <http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> US: 407.427.0412 | Kenya: +254 729.157.257 <tel:%2B254%20729.157.257> | Skype: ezungu On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: With a BBC journalist tweeting " "@ggatehouse: Deputy chair of IEBC told me cannot rule out the theory their system was hacked. At the moment they simply don't know. #Kenyadecides" and a local media house running a story alleging hacking yesterday, we do need facts. There are people out there peddling info claiming a certain group hacked into the servers, complete with provisional results "analysis" to show the same. This really doesn't put us in a pretty information where we can afford to sit and wait. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/erik%40zungu.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Gilda, I agree with you, systems should be created to be functional and that would probably to some extent define a perfect system, the number of times we have seen, linkedIN, dropbox, MS products or twitter crash goes to say a lot about having a perfect system. (twitter has 1300 people mostly tech crew and total Funding of over $1.5 Billion way more than the IEBC systems) We recently had ATMS being "hacked" in december yet ATMS have existed way longer than whatever system the IEBC is working with, so lets agree that getting a perfect system, one that absolutely cannot fail is next to impossible, a functional system is possible and even that comes with its own challenges. Mr Were, *"If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on."* we cannot demand the same kind of transparency as when we have lost a data bundle with safaricom or some emails from the server , this particular piece of information is too critical and in the past if anything is to go by its has been a matter of life and death, all the public needs to know (and we are the public, not technology practitioner as far as this issue goes) is that the problem is being fixed and data integrity will be maintained, electronically or manually and later given proof that due process was followed. David, this might not be a witch hunt but the minute we start asking which companies are involved the feedback we are likely to get can be used for a witch hunt, companies are run by people, people are from tribes or institutions that might be construed to be politically biased, so that line of questions is very unlikely to produce any useful or positive results. A full audit will be required of what happened with this IEBC system and when the time for that comes lets demand for it. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Secretariat...??****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Harry Delano *Sent:* Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:04 PM
*To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?****
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Erik,****
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I think this is where Kictanet Secretariat can kick in and show relevance in such a critical moment, where the****
nation seems to find itself waiting with abated breath, or can we mandate Erik to do this on behalf..?****
** **
Does the IT team there understand the system deployed and now operational under their watch..? If so, can ****
the ICT fraternity through our Secretariat write officially to get an understanding on what is happening, how ****
it works? The flowchart on the system that guarantees integrity of the process despite these happenings..?****
** **
Oh by the way, could the PS have some input.....? The days when we could spend time groping around in pitch ****
darkness are so long gone, or is it ...?****
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Harry****
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*From:* kictanet [ mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke<kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] *On Behalf Of *Erik Hersman *Sent:* Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:32 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?****
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My thoughts exactly Dennis. Having the facts on how, who and what allows us to understand the situation.****
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I'm not sure why it's an issue to try and gather that information, especially when no one at the IEBC is openly sharing it. ****
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Erik Hersman****
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www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> US: 407.427.0412 | Kenya: +254 729.157.257 | Skype: ezungu****
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:****
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With a BBC journalist tweeting " "@ggatehouse: Deputy chair of IEBC told me cannot rule out the theory their system was hacked. At the moment they simply don't know. #Kenyadecides" and a local media house running a story alleging hacking yesterday, we do need facts. ****
There are people out there peddling info claiming a certain group hacked into the servers, complete with provisional results "analysis" to show the same. ****
This really doesn't put us in a pretty information where we can afford to sit and wait. ****
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A much needed conversation. Whether we like it or not, many people on this list in many ways represent the intellectual capital of the Kenyan ICT sector and the question should probably be 'Where have *WE* failed at ICT' instead of 'Has the ICT Sector Failed'. The problem has been kicked as upstairs as it can go, and this is the top floor. It is our problem to own. This is the place where we shouldn't be afraid to ask each other the tough questions -- and today the question Edith posed is 'what went wrong?'. As Gilda says, accepting failure is simply unacceptable. This is not a witch hunt or schadenfreude, and I reject the notion that we should just call or txt someone to ask if help is needed. We're not pushing a car, this is a national election. So lets figure out where we dropped the ball and keep it moving. Onward. David. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
Erik,****
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I think this is where Kictanet Secretariat can kick in and show relevance in such a critical moment, where the****
nation seems to find itself waiting with abated breath, or can we mandate Erik to do this on behalf..?****
** **
Does the IT team there understand the system deployed and now operational under their watch..? If so, can ****
the ICT fraternity through our Secretariat write officially to get an understanding on what is happening, how ****
it works? The flowchart on the system that guarantees integrity of the process despite these happenings..?****
** **
Oh by the way, could the PS have some input.....? The days when we could spend time groping around in pitch ****
darkness are so long gone, or is it ...?****
** **
Harry****
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Erik Hersman *Sent:* Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:32 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?****
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My thoughts exactly Dennis. Having the facts on how, who and what allows us to understand the situation.****
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I'm not sure why it's an issue to try and gather that information, especially when no one at the IEBC is openly sharing it. ****
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Erik Hersman****
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www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/>****
www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> US: 407.427.0412 | Kenya: +254 729.157.257 | Skype: ezungu****
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:****
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With a BBC journalist tweeting " "@ggatehouse: Deputy chair of IEBC told me cannot rule out the theory their system was hacked. At the moment they simply don't know. #Kenyadecides" and a local media house running a story alleging hacking yesterday, we do need facts. ****
There are people out there peddling info claiming a certain group hacked into the servers, complete with provisional results "analysis" to show the same. ****
This really doesn't put us in a pretty information where we can afford to sit and wait. ****
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+ 1 .. Sam Gichuru Secretariat with spokesmen is exactly what we are against ... Let the IEBC Chief be the spokesman On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:45 PM, David Kobia <david@kobia.net> wrote:
A much needed conversation.
Whether we like it or not, many people on this list in many ways represent the intellectual capital of the Kenyan ICT sector and the question should probably be 'Where have *WE* failed at ICT' instead of 'Has the ICT Sector Failed'. The problem has been kicked as upstairs as it can go, and this is the top floor. It is our problem to own. This is the place where we shouldn't be afraid to ask each other the tough questions -- and today the question Edith posed is 'what went wrong?'. As Gilda says, accepting failure is simply unacceptable. This is not a witch hunt or schadenfreude, and I reject the notion that we should just call or txt someone to ask if help is needed. We're not pushing a car, this is a national election.
So lets figure out where we dropped the ball and keep it moving. Onward.
David.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke>wrote:
Erik,****
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I think this is where Kictanet Secretariat can kick in and show relevance in such a critical moment, where the****
nation seems to find itself waiting with abated breath, or can we mandate Erik to do this on behalf..?****
** **
Does the IT team there understand the system deployed and now operational under their watch..? If so, can ****
the ICT fraternity through our Secretariat write officially to get an understanding on what is happening, how ****
it works? The flowchart on the system that guarantees integrity of the process despite these happenings..?****
** **
Oh by the way, could the PS have some input.....? The days when we could spend time groping around in pitch ****
darkness are so long gone, or is it ...?****
** **
Harry****
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*From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry= comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Erik Hersman *Sent:* Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:32 PM *To:* harry@comtelsys.co.ke
*Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?****
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My thoughts exactly Dennis. Having the facts on how, who and what allows us to understand the situation.****
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I'm not sure why it's an issue to try and gather that information, especially when no one at the IEBC is openly sharing it. ****
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Erik Hersman****
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www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/>****
www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican> US: 407.427.0412 | Kenya: +254 729.157.257 | Skype: ezungu****
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:****
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With a BBC journalist tweeting " "@ggatehouse: Deputy chair of IEBC told me cannot rule out the theory their system was hacked. At the moment they simply don't know. #Kenyadecides" and a local media house running a story alleging hacking yesterday, we do need facts. ****
There are people out there peddling info claiming a certain group hacked into the servers, complete with provisional results "analysis" to show the same. ****
This really doesn't put us in a pretty information where we can afford to sit and wait. ****
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Erik There is helping then there is show business. As I said, we all know people in IEBC, if we needed information or to help ... a call or sms does the trick Unless someone actually contacted IEBC with an offer to help. Even and email On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
Erik Hersman
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On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
about the RFP ...
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THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
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Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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Agosta, When you say "we all know people in IEBC", who is "we"? Are you saying that just because I see Izaak and Oswago on TV, I can walk to IEBC offices (where are they? Anniversary) and introduce myself as Washington, an ICT practitioner, and offer to help them? Why are you taking suggestions being made on this list as that cheaply/pedestrian? Surely, some of us have given out our ideas publicly on forums without asking fo "consultation fees". We are not all like "there is show business". On 6 March 2013 14:04, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Erik
There is helping then there is show business.
As I said, we all know people in IEBC, if we needed information or to help ... a call or sms does the trick
Unless someone actually contacted IEBC with an offer to help. Even and email
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote:
Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke <http://www.ihub.co.ke/> www.whiteafrican.com <http://www.afrigadget.com/> | @whiteafrican<http://twitter.com/whiteafrican>
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
about the RFP ...
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THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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A couple more updates: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/post/44706681378/updates-going-manual-clarif... Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican US: 407.427.0412 | Kenya: +254 729.157.257 | Skype: ezungu On Mar 6, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Agosta,
When you say "we all know people in IEBC", who is "we"?
Are you saying that just because I see Izaak and Oswago on TV, I can walk to IEBC offices (where are they? Anniversary) and introduce myself as Washington, an ICT practitioner, and offer to help them?
Why are you taking suggestions being made on this list as that cheaply/pedestrian?
Surely, some of us have given out our ideas publicly on forums without asking fo "consultation fees". We are not all like "there is show business".
On 6 March 2013 14:04, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote: Erik
There is helping then there is show business.
As I said, we all know people in IEBC, if we needed information or to help ... a call or sms does the trick
Unless someone actually contacted IEBC with an offer to help. Even and email
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Erik Hersman <erik@zungu.com> wrote: Agosta,
I think it's clear that we all understand that tech issues happen, on this list we understand that better than most. However, how are you supposed to help if you don't know what's wrong?
That's really what's at issue here. It's about understanding how it works first, then who's involved, then what's wrong, then what (if anything) we can do. Do you find something wrong in that train of thought?
Erik Hersman
www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican
On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote: about the RFP ...
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THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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Liko, Your eloquent response missed my questions so let me highlight it for you again: Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
You constantly advise us to speak from a position of evidence. On this I will hold you to the same high standards that you, rightly, expect from us. If you have any information on who is receiving grants for questioning the IEBC then please share it with all of us here publicly. (But please answer my question first so that we do not get distracted into side shows!)
My point is simple. ....... IEBC ... call, walk there ... sms Ory or our many qualified peers who are in the shit of things there We cannot say that we dont know and make a cottage industry of it On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
Liko,
Your eloquent response missed my questions so let me highlight it for you again:
Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
You constantly advise us to speak from a position of evidence. On this I will hold you to the same high standards that you, rightly, expect from us. If you have any information on who is receiving grants for questioning the IEBC then please share it with all of us here publicly. (But please answer my question first so that we do not get distracted into side shows!)
Agosta, I did exactly that in order to get the info you find now on the Tumblr: http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/ (well, all except walk there, I hear Bomas isn't taking walk-ins at the moment). :) Most people actually in Bomas who know what is going on all answer that they feel uncomfortable commenting. The responses are coming by the way of their press/media relations now (see Safaricom release on the above link or me chatting with Dorothy from Google). That's not a problem, it's just to point out that it took us directly querying to start opening up some of the information. We still don't have all of it. I fail to see the problem with trying to find out facts and make them open to find and read. I actually care a lot less about appointing blame, I want to know how it's built, who's doing what, and what went wrong. Erik Hersman www.ushahidi.com | www.iHub.co.ke www.afrigadget.com | www.whiteafrican.com | @whiteafrican On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Agosta Liko wrote:
My point is simple.
....... IEBC ... call, walk there ... sms Ory or our many qualified peers who are in the shit of things there
We cannot say that we dont know and make a cottage industry of it
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote: Liko,
Your eloquent response missed my questions so let me highlight it for you again:
Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
You constantly advise us to speak from a position of evidence. On this I will hold you to the same high standards that you, rightly, expect from us. If you have any information on who is receiving grants for questioning the IEBC then please share it with all of us here publicly. (But please answer my question first so that we do not get distracted into side shows!)
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Hi Liko, You are lucky you know the ICT staff at IEBC. It would be equally interesting to know what help you offered them when they experienced this - http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-108148/iebc-must-fix-results-transmis... . Can you tell us how to offer help to IEBC - how does one go about it? Write a letter? I am interested in knowing this because it may also help us figure out how to offer help to KNEC. We've offered this in other discussion forums - where we hoped they'd pick up the clues from, but that did not happen.. I also don't see the position you are taking on defending their system as it manifests the worst failures of all times when you are not part of them. Are you saying they should not be blamed for the failures we are seeing? On 6 March 2013 13:01, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
Daudi
My point is when people work on complex systems ... like the election system, things fail and most times they recover.
Lets not have a public hazing exercise -- Unless we say we know for a fact what the problem is
and in that case, first step would be to offer help to IEBC - or the staff there. We know them !!
There are too many of us who are now offering solutions on blogs, websites etc etc
Maybe this will bring in more grants .....
Thanks
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Daudi Were <daudi.were@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 March 2013 09:56, Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
about the RFP ...
----------------------------------------
THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL (RFP) IS THE EXCLUSIVE, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE INTERNATIONAL FOUNDATION FOR ELECTORAL SYSTEMS (IFES). IT MAY NOT BE COPIED, TRANSMITTED, OR DISCLOSED BY ANY MEANS WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN CONSENT OF IFES . BY ACCEPTING A COPY HEREOF, RECIPIENT AGREES TO (I) BE BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN (INCLUDING BUT NO T LIMITED TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISONS), (II) USE THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) SOLE LY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES AND FOR RESPONDING TO THIS RFP, AND (III) RETURN OR DESTROY THE RFP (AND ANY RELATED DOCUMENTS) UPON IFES REQUEST OR UPON YOUR DECISION NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS RFP
----------------------------------------
Liko,
The RFP maybe belong to IFES (and that can be disputed), the election and the electoral process belongs to Kenyans. We not only have the right, we have the RESPONSIBILITY to question what is going on with the ICT systems at Bomas. Since you keep telling us to expect things to fail and then expect them to be fixed why don't you tell us WHAT failed and WHAT is being fixed. Simple enough. If you don't want to tell us what is failing and what is being fixed then tell us WHY you can not tell us. Is it that you don't know, in which case you should join is trying to find out WHAT is going on.
The integrity of our election is much more important that a warning IN CAPS about which obscure company owns which document.
We ask these questions are patriots, as concerned citizens who want our electoral commission to succeed. Obscure confidentially clauses or not.
D
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Evans, If you see the article shared by Muthoni, it points to major technical hitches even at demo stage which in most cases usually is spick and span. The question in that article are critical. Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Evans Ikua [ikua.evans@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:42 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance. It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology. Evans On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers, It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY! what went wrong? Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ikua.evans%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Kind Regards, Evans Ikua, lanetconsulting.com<http://lanetconsulting.com>, lpi-eastafrica.org<http://lpi-eastafrica.org>, ict-innovation.fossfa.net<http://ict-innovation.fossfa.net>, Skype: @ikuae Cell: +254-722-955831
Evans, If u read article just shared by Muthoni, the technical system did not work even during demos, which is when things are meant to be soick and span. The questions posed are critical. Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Evans Ikua [ikua.evans@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:42 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance. It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology. Evans On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto:eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers, It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY! what went wrong? Edith _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ikua.evans%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Kind Regards, Evans Ikua, lanetconsulting.com<http://lanetconsulting.com>, lpi-eastafrica.org<http://lpi-eastafrica.org>, ict-innovation.fossfa.net<http://ict-innovation.fossfa.net>, Skype: @ikuae Cell: +254-722-955831
Edith This is normal, stuff fails, you fix it. Am sure the results will come out ... This does not make a whole sector "fail" On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Evans,
If u read article just shared by Muthoni, the technical system did not work even during demos, which is when things are meant to be soick and span.
The questions posed are critical.
Edith ________________________________________ From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of Evans Ikua [ikua.evans@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:42 AM To: Edith Adera Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca<mailto: eadera@idrc.ca>> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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@Liko, there's an article http://www.cio.co.ke/news/main-stories/it-issues-leave-kenya-presidential-el...
@Evans, I disagree. Your perspective of this perhaps suits the level at which you're comfortable looking at it from - Management. I however would like to inform you that this particular failure we are witnessing is nothing where the management would poke their noses and understand. The best they can do is just watch! The failure here is the ICT staff and not ICTs - well, that term as used by Edith does confuse me a lot. Look at this from the following brief comments, attributed accordingly: Mbugua Njihia: (http://www.mbuguanjihia.com/iebc-rfp.html)*:* " The choice of system design by the IEBC has been on the lips of many. The techies among us are wondering how and why the system seems to be having so many glitches while the functions of the said system are “simple”. Simple used in quotes, not to belittle system design, but to mean we have at our disposal tools to test all manner of scenarios that may arise in a system such as this and build the relevant use cases. What I would like to see is the User Acceptance Test document to see what parameters and scenarios were taken for a proper workout. Building mobile application front ends is the least of the tasks, ensuring secure communication via VPN is neither here nor there. The design of the back-end is what matters…the scalability, redundancy, data integrity etc. For the amount of money put down for this system, I would say that I am disappointed, mostly because I know what could be. " This being a technical failure, we are having a technical perspective of what-is and what-is-not on skunkworks: http://orion.my.co.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2013-March/075988.html The failure at IEBC cannot in any way be attributed to the ICT Sector, but to the dumb/incompetent ICT staff employed at IEBC. On 6 March 2013 09:42, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Ikua, I have always wondered why we as ICT practitioners never make it to the C-Suites from your answer it is now clear it is because we assume that IT is a separate animal from the rest of the organisation yet this cannot be any further from the truth. As you might know I write for the the CIO magazine, but do I say, and over the years my articles have tried to understand why we do not have CIOs (chief information officer) in organisations but more IT managers masquerading as CIOs which explains why over the past few years many organisations have scraped the position and relegated the department to a section within either finance or operations. ICT is at the core of any modern business therefore we cannot pass the buck on the IEBC issue with frivolous statements as that is was an operations issue. I raised this issue over 3 weeks ago but as is normally the case on most forums the village madman was written off and instead the issue has been regurgitated as if it was a new by the milliard of undertakers, tech has failed the Nation all because we think that technology is about buildings and grasslands. The issue of the system failing when it was being tested a week before the elections was highlighted in the print media but since we did not see the same on social media the issue was deemed irrelevant. Dr. Ndemo, Mr. Kukubo and the rest of the ilk never raised an issue but instead retracted into their cocoons to come back after the fiasco to carry out a postmortem. To avoid being treated as an outcast let me also regurgitated an old issue, we are a lose collection of social media noise makers with no platform to stand on, the only person with the mandate to castigate the IEBC is Dr. Waudo of the Computer Society of Kenya or maybe also Mr. Mutoro of COFEK as they lead formally constituted organisations, the rest of you are no different from me, village mad people. On a lighter note: IEBC were advised by the society for prevention of cruelty to cows to turn off the live feed as the nation had come to a standstill with citizens glued to their TV and phone screens trying to analyse and make outcome decisions based on 20% of the cast votes. This has resulted in cows not being milked for the past 3 days causing them untold pain and agony. This will further cause a drop in milk being delivered to the dairies and thus no milk in the urban areas which might be misconstrued as sabotage by the newly elected governors by the urbanites who have been busy populating social media server hard drives. Nenda ukakamue ngombe Google Image Result for http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PWO5775.jpg Regards PS. IEBC said they will give us provisional results at least 48 hours after the closing of the last polling station which was at 9 pm on the 4th of March do the math, the constitution allows them 7 days within which to make the final results available so lets stop creating a mountain out of a skin mole. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013, 9:42 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance. It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology. Evans On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Robert, I am not sure you understood my argument. So I will paraphrase. But before I do, I disagree with you about organizations doing away with IT departments, and IT guys never making it to the board room. I know many IT guys who are successfully running major companies, not just in the boards, but also as the main leaders of those organizations. As far as I know, IT is now gaining more prominence in organizations, as opposed to being downgraded. The reason being that technology is a critical part of any organization's corporate strategy. But the trophy will only go to the organization that understands exactly how to align technology to its corporate strategy, while adequately managing the risks. My point was this, some organizations depend only on what the IT guys say, which is ok ONLY if the Directors have a way of verifying if what their IT expert is proposing makes business sense in relation to their corporate strategy. They need to understand what is being done by IT and what the options are. Most importantly, they need to understand the risks, and mitigate the same adequately. Do you who the Sys admin for IEBC is? I dont, and I dont care. But if the IEBC fails to deliver on its mandate for whatever reason, its the commissioners, led by the Chairman, who will take the flak. Evans On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:38 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Ikua,
I have always wondered why we as ICT practitioners never make it to the C-Suites from your answer it is now clear it is because we assume that IT is a separate animal from the rest of the organisation yet this cannot be any further from the truth.
As you might know I write for the the CIO magazine, but do I say, and over the years my articles have tried to understand why we do not have CIOs (chief information officer) in organisations but more IT managers masquerading as CIOs which explains why over the past few years many organisations have scraped the position and relegated the department to a section within either finance or operations. ICT is at the core of any modern business therefore we cannot pass the buck on the IEBC issue with frivolous statements as that is was an operations issue.
I raised this issue over 3 weeks ago but as is normally the case on most forums the village madman was written off and instead the issue has been regurgitated as if it was a new by the milliard of undertakers, tech has failed the Nation all because we think that technology is about buildings and grasslands.
The issue of the system failing when it was being tested a week before the elections was highlighted in the print media but since we did not see the same on social media the issue was deemed irrelevant. Dr. Ndemo, Mr. Kukubo and the rest of the ilk never raised an issue but instead retracted into their cocoons to come back after the fiasco to carry out a postmortem.
To avoid being treated as an outcast let me also regurgitated an old issue, we are a lose collection of social media noise makers with no platform to stand on, the only person with the mandate to castigate the IEBC is Dr. Waudo of the Computer Society of Kenya or maybe also Mr. Mutoro of COFEK as they lead formally constituted organisations, the rest of you are no different from me, village mad people.
On a lighter note:
IEBC were advised by the society for prevention of cruelty to cows to turn off the live feed as the nation had come to a standstill with citizens glued to their TV and phone screens trying to analyse and make outcome decisions based on 20% of the cast votes.
This has resulted in cows not being milked for the past 3 days causing them untold pain and agony. This will further cause a drop in milk being delivered to the dairies and thus no milk in the urban areas which might be misconstrued as sabotage by the newly elected governors by the urbanites who have been busy populating social media server hard drives.
Nenda ukakamue ngombe
Google Image Result for http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PWO5775.jpg
Regards
PS. IEBC said they will give us provisional results at least 48 hours after the closing of the last polling station which was at 9 pm on the 4th of March do the math, the constitution allows them 7 days within which to make the final results available so lets stop creating a mountain out of a skin mole.
Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ------------------------------ *From:* Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 March 2013, 9:42 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Listers I have always wondered why we as ICT practitioners never make it to the C-Suites from your answer it is now clear it is because we assume that IT is a separate animal from the rest of the organisation yet this cannot be any further from the truth. As you might know I write for the the CIO magazine, but do I say, and over the years my articles have tried to understand why we do not have CIOs (chief information officer) in organisations but more IT managers masquerading as CIOs which explains why over the past few years many organisations have scraped the position and relegated the department to a section within either finance or operations. ICT is at the core of any modern business therefore we cannot pass the buck on the IEBC issue with frivolous statements as that is was an operations issue. I raised this issue over 3 weeks ago but as is normally the case on most forums the village madman was written off and instead the issue has been regurgitated as if it was a new by the milliard of undertakers, tech has failed the Nation all because we think that technology is about buildings and grasslands. The issue of the system failing when it was being tested a week before the elections was highlighted in the print media but since we did not see the same on social media the issue was deemed irrelevant. Dr. Ndemo, Mr. Kukubo and the rest of the ilk never raised an issue but instead retracted into their cocoons to come back after the fiasco to carry out a postmortem. To avoid being treated as an outcast let me also regurgitated an old issue, we are a lose collection of social media noise makers with no platform to stand on, the only person with the mandate to castigate the IEBC is Dr. Waudo of the Computer Society of Kenya or maybe also Mr. Mutoro of COFEK as they lead formally constituted organisations, the rest of you are no different from me, village mad people. On a lighter note: IEBC were advised by the society for prevention of cruelty to cows to turn off the live feed as the nation had come to a standstill with citizens glued to their TV and phone screens trying to analyse and make outcome decisions based on 20% of the cast votes. This has resulted in cows not being milked for the past 3 days causing them untold pain and agony. This will further cause a drop in milk being delivered to the dairies and thus no milk in the urban areas which might be misconstrued as sabotage by the newly elected governors by the urbanites who have been busy populating social media server hard drives. Nenda ukakamue ngombe Google Image Result for http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PWO5775.jpg Regards PS. IEBC said they will give us provisional results at least 48 hours after the closing of the last polling station which was at 9 pm on the 4th of March do the math, the constitution allows them 7 days within which to make the final results available so lets stop creating a mountain out of a skin mole. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013, 9:42 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance. It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology. Evans On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Evans Totally agree. As the saying goes GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out). The issue of IEBC and how they have handled the vote counting is in my opinion a shame. I have heard stories and rumors of how servers have crashed, bandwidth slow etc. And before we blame other government agencies who are ostensibly supposed to be there to help with different aspects of the IEBC operations we need to remember that IEBC stands for *Independent *Electoral and Boundaries Commission (emphasis on Independent). If a returning officer finds himself without a vehicle do we blame the Ministry of Transport? My point is that the Leadership of the IEBC has failed miserably in this arguably the most important election. We should be told exactly what the problem is and I do hope that this group will do a thorough post mortem of what happened, what were the preparations, who were the vendors, systems etc. Let's not blame technology when we were unable to harness its power in the simplest way possible. Vote counting doesn't require rocket science. By the way I can bet you my next pay check that the main proponents of this election already know who has won the election by now if their Strategists are worth any salt. I think one of the greatest issues that we face in this country is the move from theory to practice. Most of us talk about Big Data, Business Intelligence etc but how many of us actually practice it? It is time that we really embrace the power of Technology in the right way. *Ali Hussein* *CEO, 3mice interactive media ltd* *Partner, Telemedia Africa Ltd * Tel: +254713601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> Blog: www.alyhussein.com On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.
It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology.
Evans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote:
Listers,
It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!
what went wrong?
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Hello, fellow countrymen... Why I'm I loving this discussion; because it's open and interactive, rather than a muffled one . Just a little matter I would like to point out.. If we have or can give 100% assurance that INTEGRITY here in this whole process has, is and will never be in doubt, then whatever system failures, incompetencies, etcetra - can be addressed and fixed. A post-audit would undoubtedly achieve this. For now, let's all work to promote integrity, in the current manual and computerized systems at IEBC. Regards, Harry From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Ali Hussein Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:49 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed? Evans Totally agree. As the saying goes GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out). The issue of IEBC and how they have handled the vote counting is in my opinion a shame. I have heard stories and rumors of how servers have crashed, bandwidth slow etc. And before we blame other government agencies who are ostensibly supposed to be there to help with different aspects of the IEBC operations we need to remember that IEBC stands for Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (emphasis on Independent). If a returning officer finds himself without a vehicle do we blame the Ministry of Transport? My point is that the Leadership of the IEBC has failed miserably in this arguably the most important election. We should be told exactly what the problem is and I do hope that this group will do a thorough post mortem of what happened, what were the preparations, who were the vendors, systems etc. Let's not blame technology when we were unable to harness its power in the simplest way possible. Vote counting doesn't require rocket science. By the way I can bet you my next pay check that the main proponents of this election already know who has won the election by now if their Strategists are worth any salt. I think one of the greatest issues that we face in this country is the move from theory to practice. Most of us talk about Big Data, Business Intelligence etc but how many of us actually practice it? It is time that we really embrace the power of Technology in the right way. Ali Hussein CEO, 3mice interactive media ltd Partner, Telemedia Africa Ltd Tel: +254713601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim Blog: www.alyhussein.com On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote: Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance. It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on. Let us not blame the technology. Evans On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <eadera@idrc.ca> wrote: Listers, It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY! what went wrong? 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
How long will government agencies continue to be dumbfounded by IT systems? The same way we have a CIRT, it's time to have a group of revolving IT experts that can help troubleshoot government agencies when in technical trouble, from KNEC servers to IEBC servers. Seems IT officers hired here are usually not that skilled or experienced in such challenges. I'm sure they would learn if they had experts and skilled guys seconded to them.
Dennis You are speculating ... about skills etc etc Unless you have insider information from IEBC ... and in that case am sure you would publish On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
How long will government agencies continue to be dumbfounded by IT systems? The same way we have a CIRT, it's time to have a group of revolving IT experts that can help troubleshoot government agencies when in technical trouble, from KNEC servers to IEBC servers.
Seems IT officers hired here are usually not that skilled or experienced in such challenges. I'm sure they would learn if they had experts and skilled guys seconded to them.
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participants (28)
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Agosta Liko -
Ali Hussein -
bitange＠jambo.co.ke -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Daudi Were -
David Kobia -
Dennis Kioko -
dmakali＠yahoo.com -
Dorcas Muthoni -
Edith Adera -
ericosiakwan＠me.com -
Erik Hersman -
Evans Ikua -
Harry Delano -
Harry Karanja -
ICT Researcher -
John Gitau -
Joseph Mucheru -
kris njoroge -
Mark Mwangi -
Muchiri Nyaggah -
n_macharia＠yahoo.co.uk -
Odhiambo Washington -
robert yawe -
Sam Gichuru -
Walubengo J -
Warigia Bowman -
william janak