Google's Antics on Mocality
I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty tricks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info@aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation…" - Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote:
I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty tricks.
Their initial reaction was : 'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the people involved.' Am sure we will hear more soon. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Clearly, Stefan and his team turned out to be a bit more sophisticated than Google would have expected. The "Sting code" was a master stroke. Inevitably, the spot light will now turn to Google EA and Kenic who are responsible for assigning country level domain names here. Google is an advertising firm not a collector of annual fees and Sh2000 per year seems like way out of its core business. So I suspect, a third party with possibly an agreement with Kenic, who actually collect the registration fees, is responsible. To pre-empt the inevitable, Kenic should also come out with a definite statement on this issue! James Mbugua On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama@aganoconsulting.com> wrote:
I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty tricks.
Their initial reaction was :
'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the people involved.'
Am sure we will hear more soon.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: <snipped>
To pre-empt the inevitable, Kenic should also come out with a definite statement on this issue!
I'm wondering what KENIC would have to do with this, kindly explain..... Regards, Steve
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: <snipped>
To pre-empt the inevitable, Kenic should also come out with a definite statement on this issue!
I'm wondering what KENIC would have to do with this, kindly explain.....
KENIC is a partner with safcom, google, Equity bank in kbo.co.ke. I think that part of the effort involved upselling from mctim.kbo.co.ke to mctim.co.ke for example. Interestingly, http://www.kbo.co.ke/termsandconditions says, inter alia; "10. Governing Law These terms and conditions are governed by English law and the parties submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts in relation to any dispute concerning these terms of service save that either party may apply to any court for an injunction or other relief to protect its Intellectual Property Rights." -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Tim You answered it better than I would have. Additionally, perhaps as I should remind Steve that it is to Kenic that domain registration fees are paid and if companies are being persuaded to upgrade to their own domain names from the .kbo.ke, it is only right to query who stands to benefit from such a money. In this case, agency seems implied. So, can Kenic tell us if they have an Agency contract with these people? Otherwise, they are charging registration fees as who yet Kenic is in charge of the country's Top Level Domain registry? James On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: <snipped>
To pre-empt the inevitable, Kenic should also come out with a definite statement on this issue!
I'm wondering what KENIC would have to do with this, kindly explain.....
KENIC is a partner with safcom, google, Equity bank in kbo.co.ke.
I think that part of the effort involved upselling from mctim.kbo.co.ke to mctim.co.ke for example.
Interestingly, http://www.kbo.co.ke/termsandconditions says, inter alia;
"10. Governing Law
These terms and conditions are governed by English law and the parties submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts in relation to any dispute concerning these terms of service save that either party may apply to any court for an injunction or other relief to protect its Intellectual Property Rights."
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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But I thought KENIC does not register domains/collect money directly from domain name owners...it is registrars who do so...so maybe Google is a registrar? 2012/1/16 James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com>
Tim
You answered it better than I would have.
Additionally, perhaps as I should remind Steve that it is to Kenic that domain registration fees are paid and if companies are being persuaded to upgrade to their own domain names from the .kbo.ke, it is only right to query who stands to benefit from such a money.
In this case, agency seems implied. So, can Kenic tell us if they have an Agency contract with these people? Otherwise, they are charging registration fees as who yet Kenic is in charge of the country's Top Level Domain registry?
James
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: <snipped>
To pre-empt the inevitable, Kenic should also come out with a definite statement on this issue!
I'm wondering what KENIC would have to do with this, kindly explain.....
KENIC is a partner with safcom, google, Equity bank in kbo.co.ke.
I think that part of the effort involved upselling from mctim.kbo.co.ke to mctim.co.ke for example.
Interestingly, http://www.kbo.co.ke/termsandconditions says, inter alia;
"10. Governing Law
These terms and conditions are governed by English law and the parties submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts in relation to any dispute concerning these terms of service save that either party may apply to any court for an injunction or other relief to protect its Intellectual Property Rights."
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Grace, The key word is "perhaps." What we want is Kenic to be definitive and distance itself from the episode. That's all. James On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <nmutungu@gmail.com> wrote:
But I thought KENIC does not register domains/collect money directly from domain name owners...it is registrars who do so...so maybe Google is a registrar?
2012/1/16 James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com>
Tim
You answered it better than I would have.
Additionally, perhaps as I should remind Steve that it is to Kenic
that domain registration fees are paid and if companies are being persuaded to upgrade to their own domain names from the .kbo.ke, it is only right to query who stands to benefit from such a money.
In this case, agency seems implied. So, can Kenic tell us if they have an Agency contract with these people? Otherwise, they are charging registration fees as who yet Kenic is in charge of the country's Top Level Domain registry?
James
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: <snipped>
To pre-empt the inevitable, Kenic should also come out with a definite statement on this issue!
I'm wondering what KENIC would have to do with this, kindly explain.....
KENIC is a partner with safcom, google, Equity bank in kbo.co.ke.
I think that part of the effort involved upselling from mctim.kbo.co.ke to mctim.co.ke for example.
Interestingly, http://www.kbo.co.ke/termsandconditions says, inter alia;
"10. Governing Law
These terms and conditions are governed by English law and the parties submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts in relation to any dispute concerning these terms of service save that either party may apply to any court for an injunction or other relief to protect its Intellectual Property Rights."
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Dear James/Grace Allow me to clarify that it is true that KeNIC does not deal directly with Registrants (end users) but does so through our accredited registrars which Google is not a part of. Following the recent events, KeNIC will also be preparing a comprehensive statement that will shed more light to the issues that you have requested clarification on in the course of this week. [W] www.kenic.or.ke dot KE for Every Name in Kenya! On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) wrote:
But I thought KENIC does not register domains/collect money directly from domain name owners...it is registrars who do so...so maybe Google is a registrar?
2012/1/16 James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> Tim
You answered it better than I would have.
Additionally, perhaps as I should remind Steve that it is to Kenic that domain registration fees are paid and if companies are being persuaded to upgrade to their own domain names from the .kbo.ke, it is only right to query who stands to benefit from such a money.
In this case, agency seems implied. So, can Kenic tell us if they have an Agency contract with these people? Otherwise, they are charging registration fees as who yet Kenic is in charge of the country's Top Level Domain registry?
James
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: <snipped>
To pre-empt the inevitable, Kenic should also come out with a definite statement on this issue!
I'm wondering what KENIC would have to do with this, kindly explain.....
KENIC is a partner with safcom, google, Equity bank in kbo.co.ke.
I think that part of the effort involved upselling from mctim.kbo.co.ke to mctim.co.ke for example.
Interestingly, http://www.kbo.co.ke/termsandconditions says, inter alia;
"10. Governing Law
These terms and conditions are governed by English law and the parties submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts in relation to any dispute concerning these terms of service save that either party may apply to any court for an injunction or other relief to protect its Intellectual Property Rights."
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Tim You answered it better than I would have. Additionally, perhaps as I should remind Steve that it is to Kenic that domain registration fees are paid and if companies are being persuaded to upgrade to their own domain names from the .kbo.ke, it is only right to query who stands to benefit from such money. In this case, agency seems implied. So, can Kenic tell us if they have an Agency contract with these people? Otherwise, they are charging registration fees as who yet Kenic is in charge of the country's Top Level Domain registry? On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: <snipped>
To pre-empt the inevitable, Kenic should also come out with a definite statement on this issue!
I'm wondering what KENIC would have to do with this, kindly explain.....
KENIC is a partner with safcom, google, Equity bank in kbo.co.ke.
I think that part of the effort involved upselling from mctim.kbo.co.ke to mctim.co.ke for example.
Interestingly, http://www.kbo.co.ke/termsandconditions says, inter alia;
"10. Governing Law
These terms and conditions are governed by English law and the parties submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts in relation to any dispute concerning these terms of service save that either party may apply to any court for an injunction or other relief to protect its Intellectual Property Rights."
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Tim You answered it better than I would have. Additionally, perhaps I should remind Steve that it is to Kenic that domain registration fees are paid and if companies are being persuaded to upgrade to their own domain names from the .kbo.ke, it is only right to query who stands to benefit from such a money. In this case, agency seems implied. So, can Kenic tell us if they have an Agency contract with these people? Otherwise, they are charging registration fees as who yet Kenic is in charge of the country's Top Level Domain registry? James Mbugua On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:40 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: <snipped>
To pre-empt the inevitable, Kenic should also come out with a definite statement on this issue!
I'm wondering what KENIC would have to do with this, kindly explain.....
KENIC is a partner with safcom, google, Equity bank in kbo.co.ke.
I think that part of the effort involved upselling from mctim.kbo.co.ke to mctim.co.ke for example.
Interestingly, http://www.kbo.co.ke/termsandconditions says, inter alia;
"10. Governing Law
These terms and conditions are governed by English law and the parties submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts in relation to any dispute concerning these terms of service save that either party may apply to any court for an injunction or other relief to protect its Intellectual Property Rights."
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty tricks.
Their initial reaction was :
'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the people involved.'
Am sure we will hear more soon.
-- Cheers,
Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines. -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty tricks.
Their initial reaction was :
'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the people involved.'
Am sure we will hear more soon.
-- Cheers,
Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR. Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe you can fill us in on what you infer? Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these shenanigans were approved by them. I think that James was right when he suggested it was a sub-contractor who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all tarnished by this misbehavior. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from Google about setting up a free web site. Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google employee so I asked questions including whether she was working for a Google Partner / Agent. She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one point in my drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with answers. Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control. On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty tricks.
Their initial reaction was :
'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the people involved.'
Am sure we will hear more soon.
-- Cheers,
Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.
Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe you can fill us in on what you infer?
Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these shenanigans were approved by them.
I think that James was right when he suggested it was a sub-contractor who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all tarnished by this misbehavior.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make similar allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on Google's part? On 16/01/2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from Google about setting up a free web site.
Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google employee so I asked questions including whether she was working for a Google Partner / Agent.
She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one point in my drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with answers.
Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control. On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty tricks.
Their initial reaction was :
'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the people involved.'
Am sure we will hear more soon.
-- Cheers,
Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.
Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe you can fill us in on what you infer?
Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these shenanigans were approved by them.
I think that James was right when he suggested it was a sub-contractor who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all tarnished by this misbehavior.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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So I'm still trying to understand how, after Googles admission, listers here are somehow still trying to exonerate.... #puzzled On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make similar allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on Google's part?
On 16/01/2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from Google about setting up a free web site.
Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google employee so I asked questions including whether she was working for a Google Partner / Agent.
She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one point in my drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with answers.
Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control. On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty tricks.
Their initial reaction was :
'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the people involved.'
Am sure we will hear more soon.
-- Cheers,
Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.
Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe you can fill us in on what you infer?
Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these shenanigans were approved by them.
I think that James was right when he suggested it was a sub-contractor who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all tarnished by this misbehavior.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate" On 16/01/2012, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm still trying to understand how, after Googles admission, listers here are somehow still trying to exonerate.... #puzzled
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make similar allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on Google's part?
On 16/01/2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from Google about setting up a free web site.
Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google employee so I asked questions including whether she was working for a Google Partner / Agent.
She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one point in my drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with answers.
Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control. On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty > tricks.
Their initial reaction was :
'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the people involved.'
Am sure we will hear more soon.
-- Cheers,
Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.
Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe you can fill us in on what you infer?
Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these shenanigans were approved by them.
I think that James was right when he suggested it was a sub-contractor who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all tarnished by this misbehavior.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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Oh dear - this has taken quite a tangential course! What I meant is that the buck must stop somewhere - and the statement by Google is implicit that it has stopped somewhere high up and we should await details and not preclude action on their part. If we start blamestorming and offering up Google agents and supposed 'agent provocatuer's on the list into the mix, then we'll lose sight of the shore. The aggrieved party is Mocality (and somewhere at the periphery Kenya). Let them receive a response. On 16/01/2012, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate"
On 16/01/2012, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm still trying to understand how, after Googles admission, listers here are somehow still trying to exonerate.... #puzzled
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make similar allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on Google's part?
On 16/01/2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote:
Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from Google about setting up a free web site.
Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google employee so I asked questions including whether she was working for a Google Partner / Agent.
She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one point in my drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with answers.
Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control. On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty > > tricks. > > > > > Their initial reaction was : > > 'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a > Google > project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our > relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new > websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re > still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we > have > all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the > people > involved.' > > Am sure we will hear more soon. > > -- > Cheers, >
Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.
Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe you can fill us in on what you infer?
Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these shenanigans were approved by them.
I think that James was right when he suggested it was a sub-contractor who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all tarnished by this misbehavior.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate"
@Mwendwa There are multiple Googlers on this list. So far, none of them have replied, I'm guessing it's out of their hands now. @Brian, explanation!=exoneration. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
For those who did not read it clearly.... This is a very smart statement..... implicating "people" not Google... of doing evil.... Not for some of us to spin it into a Google admission of guilt. https://plus.google.com/u/0/115264064268941645500/posts/WfALKwfmCGJ "We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the people involved." ......................... On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:31 PM, McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
Probably some listers are on the payroll of big brother. Google has tentatively admitted error, and even apologized as they "investigate"
@Mwendwa There are multiple Googlers on this list. So far, none of them have replied, I'm guessing it's out of their hands now.
@Brian, explanation!=exoneration.
-- Cheers,
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@Brian, I'd like to believe that Google doesn't retain Sales Agents who are given unrealistic targets, because that is the only way I think this could happen from their end. Like some others elsewhere, I want to believe that this stunt was being pulled by Agents other than Google's. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 20:09, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
So I'm still trying to understand how, after Googles admission, listers here are somehow still trying to exonerate.... #puzzled
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make similar allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on Google's part?
Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from Google about setting up a free web site.
Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google employee so I asked questions including whether she was working for a Google Partner / Agent.
She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one point in my drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with answers.
Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control. On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty > tricks.
Their initial reaction was :
'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the
On 16/01/2012, S.M. Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com> wrote: people
involved.'
Am sure we will hear more soon.
-- Cheers,
Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.
Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe you can fill us in on what you infer?
Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these shenanigans were approved by them.
I think that James was right when he suggested it was a sub-contractor who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all tarnished by this misbehavior.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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@Wash, I hear you, I would just like to fully understand what might have gone so wrong that Google's spokesperson chose to take responsibility, apologise and offer 'further investigation' Obviously, till then all we have is speculation - nevertheless I feel that it would be inappropriate for myself or anyone else to condemn or exonerate Google until more info is available about exactly what happened. As Magdali put it: "who knew "or should have known" what was going on.... Best regards, Brian On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
@Brian,
I'd like to believe that Google doesn't retain Sales Agents who are given unrealistic targets, because that is the only way I think this could happen from their end. Like some others elsewhere, I want to believe that this stunt was being pulled by Agents other than Google's.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 20:09, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
So I'm still trying to understand how, after Googles admission, listers here are somehow still trying to exonerate.... #puzzled
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Francis Hook <francis.hook@gmail.com>wrote:
Should we then infer that Google, just like Mocality, can make similar allegations that their name was dropped alongside Mocality's by this unknown party? Even after a Google VP has acknowledged impropriety on Google's part?
Some weeks / months ago was called by a person claiming to be from Google about setting up a free web site.
Could tell from the presentation this could not be a Google employee so I asked questions including whether she was working for a Google Partner / Agent.
She affirmed herself to be working for a Google Partner. At one point in my drilling, she had to revert to someone else and call me back with answers.
Have no doubt this debacle was out of Google' s control. On Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/16/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am wondering what Google's aswer is to this clear case of dirty > > tricks. > > > > > Their initial reaction was : > > 'We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google > project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our > relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new > websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re > still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have > all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the
> involved.' > > Am sure we will hear more soon. > > -- > Cheers, >
Google PR team are misjudging our intelligence with such a flimsy statement. Even a kid can read in between the lines.
It was from nelson mattos, who I think is VP for EMEA, not from PR.
Not being a child, I can't read in between any of these lines, maybe you can fill us in on what you infer?
Knowing what I know about google, the folks in charge of Google KE (and the region), I am quite confident that none of these shenanigans were approved by them.
I think that James was right when he suggested it was a sub-contractor who was responsible and not Google folks themselves. Still, Google needs to make this right, as they (and their partners) are all tarnished by this misbehavior.
-- Cheers,
McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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This article here could give more insight into what could be happening. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_osm_vandalism.php On 17 January 2012 13:12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
A simple principle goes "When you *transfer* risk, you still own the * liability"*
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So apparently Google fired 2 contractors in India because of the vandalism to Open Street Maps, the IP addresses involved coincide with those used during the Mocality saga.... Brian On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
This article here could give more insight into what could be happening. http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_osm_vandalism.php
On 17 January 2012 13:12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
A simple principle goes "When you *transfer* risk, you still own the * liability"*
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Lord Mwesh When you get a contractor to whom you outsource part of a process, you have plausible deniability You can say they went rogue :) On 1/17/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
A simple principle goes "When you *transfer* risk, you still own the * liability"*
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Agosta, But then there is a stronger case for plausible admissibility where an implied agency relationship is established that gives rise to a presumption of permissive use, especially in this instance. Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Agosta Liko Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:41 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Google's Antics on Mocality Lord Mwesh When you get a contractor to whom you outsource part of a process, you have plausible deniability You can say they went rogue :) On 1/17/12, lordmwesh <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
A simple principle goes "When you *transfer* risk, you still own the * liability"*
-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva For Business Development Transworld Computer Channels Cel: 0722402248 twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
-- Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/harry%40comtelsys.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
participants (14)
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Agosta Liko -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
David Wambua -
Francis Hook -
Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) -
Harry Delano -
James Mbugua -
lordmwesh -
Matunda Nyanchama -
McTim -
Moses Muya -
Odhiambo Washington -
S.M. Muraya -
Steve Muchai