Re: [kictanet] Just a thought
Excellent take daktari. It really shows the depravity of this society that a grownup woman would choose to lie shame facedly just to avoid responsibility. It's almost like a venal need we have to to do injury to our fellow Kenyans, I mean what changed from her insistence that you hit her to now wanting to cover your costs? Couldn't she have come to that conclusion immediately she realized her mistake? No, she'd rather go for your jugular first unless you show an upper hand. I support technology fully to instill behavior change. Until people begin to get penalties from their insurance after being caught running lights and this goes to a database that other insurance companies can access, we won't be able to reign in these idiots. James Sent from my Windows Phone From: Bitange Ndemo Sent: 1/4/2014 8:15 AM To: jgmbugua@gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Just a thought Yesterday morning as I drove to the city, my trip was disrupted by a woman driving ahead of me. She was most likely driving a stick shift Toyota when at Muthaiga Market (has a small hill as you join on to Parklands) her car slowly sled backwards resting on the front of my VW bug. She realized her mistake too late but when she came out, she said to me "Mheshimiwa umenigonga kutoka nyuma" (Honorable you just hit me from behind). I just had to smile as I opened my door. The vehicles behind us sped off. I knew I had no witness. Her car had minor damage and as she prepared to call the police, I encouraged her to do it quick since this is a simple matter. She then says to me "a simple matter". I said yes. What do you mean she retorted. It is simple because my car is digital, I said. Digital! what do exactly mean she says. My car has digital cameras all round and when the police arrive, I just will show them exactly what went on. She stops making her call and started to look at my car carefully. This time I tell her that I am calling the police. She then turns to me as says "this digital business is not good, can we just agree that we just cover our costs". I said no. This is the very reason why I mounted a digicam on my car. She starts to plead with me. She offers to cover my cost. I said no but asked her to put it in writing that she was on the wrong. Lesson 1: Technology will help us correct our values. Lesson 2: If all our PSV vehicles are mounted with cameras, we shall gather good data to hep us deal with road carnage Lesson 3: There are other benefits that will accrue if car manufacturers were to in-build cameras just like mobile phones. Ndemo. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Some of us first fight a new idea, but when it becomes prevalent, we swallow our pride and embrace it. I remember when MPESA was introduced people saying it cannot work. Remember the files that used to disappear at the High Court? How did technology solve that problem? Do we now trust the court system more than we did 10 years ago? Of course data protection and privacy issues have to be tackled as some listers have correctly pointed out. But freaking out from innovation and technology is no panacea for our problems. On 04/01/2014, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Excellent take daktari.
It really shows the depravity of this society that a grownup woman would choose to lie shame facedly just to avoid responsibility.
It's almost like a venal need we have to to do injury to our fellow Kenyans, I mean what changed from her insistence that you hit her to now wanting to cover your costs?
Couldn't she have come to that conclusion immediately she realized her mistake? No, she'd rather go for your jugular first unless you show an upper hand.
I support technology fully to instill behavior change. Until people begin to get penalties from their insurance after being caught running lights and this goes to a database that other insurance companies can access, we won't be able to reign in these idiots.
James
Sent from my Windows Phone From: Bitange Ndemo Sent: 1/4/2014 8:15 AM To: jgmbugua@gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Just a thought Yesterday morning as I drove to the city, my trip was disrupted by a woman driving ahead of me. She was most likely driving a stick shift Toyota when at Muthaiga Market (has a small hill as you join on to Parklands) her car slowly sled backwards resting on the front of my VW bug. She realized her mistake too late but when she came out, she said to me "Mheshimiwa umenigonga kutoka nyuma" (Honorable you just hit me from behind). I just had to smile as I opened my door. The vehicles behind us sped off. I knew I had no witness.
Her car had minor damage and as she prepared to call the police, I encouraged her to do it quick since this is a simple matter. She then says to me "a simple matter". I said yes. What do you mean she retorted. It is simple because my car is digital, I said. Digital! what do exactly mean she says. My car has digital cameras all round and when the police arrive, I just will show them exactly what went on. She stops making her call and started to look at my car carefully. This time I tell her that I am calling the police. She then turns to me as says "this digital business is not good, can we just agree that we just cover our costs". I said no. This is the very reason why I mounted a digicam on my car.
She starts to plead with me. She offers to cover my cost. I said no but asked her to put it in writing that she was on the wrong.
Lesson 1: Technology will help us correct our values. Lesson 2: If all our PSV vehicles are mounted with cameras, we shall gather good data to hep us deal with road carnage Lesson 3: There are other benefits that will accrue if car manufacturers were to in-build cameras just like mobile phones.
Ndemo.
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Dashboard-mounted Video Cameras (dash cams) are very popular in Russia for the same reasons that motivated Bw. Daktari to install one in his vehicle : http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/02/russian-dash-cams/ As a champion of local innovation/customisation, the good doc will be pleased to hear that some enterprising young lads recently showcased a similar local solution on a national TV station : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pCuQNgENQ8<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pCuQNgENQ8> Tony.
A lot of these responses seem like a cheer match for Dactari. That's not how people are supposed to engage in a productive argument, that the merits n demerits of a point are not truthfully explored just because the originator is held in high esteem. Technology alone is not the solution, why do we have more deaths from accidents on our roads than even before the speed governors were made a prerequisite for PSVs to get their licenses?? Dactari's idea is good, but it does have a lot of demerits as well, swallowing it wholesome like has mostly been proposed here is a recipe for a technological tyranny... JB... On 04 Jan 2014 7:43 PM, "Tony Likhanga" <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
Dashboard-mounted Video Cameras (dash cams) are very popular in Russia for the same reasons that motivated Bw. Daktari to install one in his vehicle : http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/02/russian-dash-cams/
As a champion of local innovation/customisation, the good doc will be pleased to hear that some enterprising young lads recently showcased a similar local solution on a national TV station : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pCuQNgENQ8<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pCuQNgENQ8>
Tony.
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Ohaga, Michuki rules reduced PSV accidents by 80%. We all know what happened to the rules after the demise of Michuki. A bus can overtake you while you are travelling at 100KPH On 05/01/2014, Ohaga JB <durojb@gmail.com> wrote:
A lot of these responses seem like a cheer match for Dactari. That's not how people are supposed to engage in a productive argument, that the merits n demerits of a point are not truthfully explored just because the originator is held in high esteem. Technology alone is not the solution, why do we have more deaths from accidents on our roads than even before the speed governors were made a prerequisite for PSVs to get their licenses??
Dactari's idea is good, but it does have a lot of demerits as well, swallowing it wholesome like has mostly been proposed here is a recipe for a technological tyranny...
JB... On 04 Jan 2014 7:43 PM, "Tony Likhanga" <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
Dashboard-mounted Video Cameras (dash cams) are very popular in Russia for the same reasons that motivated Bw. Daktari to install one in his vehicle : http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/02/russian-dash-cams/
As a champion of local innovation/customisation, the good doc will be pleased to hear that some enterprising young lads recently showcased a similar local solution on a national TV station :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pCuQNgENQ8<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pCuQNgENQ8>
Tony.
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Michuki Rules is a good example of what you need to do. Good policy and subsequent execution. The really important parts were No overloading/standing, Seat Belts, Regular Checks, Speed Governors and more importantly citizens resolve to push through and walk if need be. We, as a nation then, had believed. The problem I see with our current approach is where every problem has to be nailed in with our 'Digital Hammer' as its possibly the only tool we have. Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io On 5 Jan 2014 10:29, "Kivuva" <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Ohaga, Michuki rules reduced PSV accidents by 80%. We all know what happened to the rules after the demise of Michuki. A bus can overtake you while you are travelling at 100KPH
A lot of these responses seem like a cheer match for Dactari. That's not how people are supposed to engage in a productive argument, that the merits n demerits of a point are not truthfully explored just because the originator is held in high esteem. Technology alone is not the solution, why do we have more deaths from accidents on our roads than even before
On 05/01/2014, Ohaga JB <durojb@gmail.com> wrote: the
speed governors were made a prerequisite for PSVs to get their licenses??
Dactari's idea is good, but it does have a lot of demerits as well, swallowing it wholesome like has mostly been proposed here is a recipe for a technological tyranny...
JB... On 04 Jan 2014 7:43 PM, "Tony Likhanga" <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
Dashboard-mounted Video Cameras (dash cams) are very popular in Russia for the same reasons that motivated Bw. Daktari to install one in his vehicle : http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/02/russian-dash-cams/
As a champion of local innovation/customisation, the good doc will be pleased to hear that some enterprising young lads recently showcased a similar local solution on a national TV station :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pCuQNgENQ8<; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pCuQNgENQ8>
Tony.
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Waithaka, you would be jobless if you were not solving digital problems :-) To follow up on Dr. Ndemo's timely observation, a new law has been put in place and will take effect by June where 1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare 2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras 3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings and petty crimes. This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The commuter on the other hand will dig dipper in his pockets to pay for the services. And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh 250Billion industry http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-s... This development deserves a new thread, which I'm starting. -- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
How is a speed governor not technology ? On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Waithaka, you would be jobless if you were not solving digital problems :-)
To follow up on Dr. Ndemo's timely observation, a new law has been put in place and will take effect by June where 1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare 2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras 3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings and petty crimes.
This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The commuter on the other hand will dig dipper in his pockets to pay for the services.
And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh 250Billion industry
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-s...
This development deserves a new thread, which I'm starting.
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Forcing matatus to implement a cashless system may not be such a good idea. What happens when the system is down or has delays? You break the law by paying in cash? How many cards will I need for seamless use of matatus, what if there are 5 different cashless systems? The cashless system may also mean the end of KSh. 10 fares. There are many low income people who wait hours for fares to reach such levels (even though you'll question the wisdom of waiting hours for a small fare change) The cost of all this will be passed on to consumers in fare hikes, which will esp impact low income earners. I feel we have regulated the matatu industry too much. The government should have opted for incentives for better ran matatus and disincentives for the rest. We should also work on a rail system as an alternative, which might spur behaviour change in matatus. Our love for regulation (I see Kenyans demanding to have fares, oil prices, sugar prices, salaries, TV, news and everything else to be regulated) might see us ending up with unintended consequences. Regulated rent prices out houses from the poor, while Obama Care has unintentionally resulted in cancer patients losing insurance. If we enforced minimum wage in Kenya, thousands will lose their jobs. While regulation is often well intended, the negative consequences are often unseen and far reaching. On 5 Jan 2014 13:12, "Agosta Liko" <agostal@gmail.com> wrote:
How is a speed governor not technology ?
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Waithaka, you would be jobless if you were not solving digital problems :-)
To follow up on Dr. Ndemo's timely observation, a new law has been put in place and will take effect by June where 1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare 2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras 3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings and petty crimes.
This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The commuter on the other hand will dig dipper in his pockets to pay for the services.
And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh 250Billion industry
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-s...
This development deserves a new thread, which I'm starting.
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I think you are getting me wrong on this one. Technology is important and indeed required for our development. If you look at my earlier post, I wrote that technology mostly easens that which we want to do. Thats why we use cars and planes for instance to travel large distances as opposed to walking. However, IMO, there is a tendency to use technology as the answer to everything. As an example, we want to fight corruption, we rush off to use technology by ensuring that payments are digital, but we forget that the crooks will still use those same platforms as well. I am told there are cartels in GoK with paybill Nos, as an example. I also gave the Michuki rules as an example of committed leadership working hand-in-hand with technology (Speed Governors) The recomendations I now see are akin to saying we've got 3000 Kenyans dieing by road accidents, let slap speed governors everywhere. No much thought on what else would be required, enforcement and no committed leadership and in no time we back at square 0. Mwakwele showed us that! On corruption, what difference would it make if we automated/digitised all the GoKs payments while key GoK officials are operating multiple accounts in Cayman Islands and we can't do any realistic wealth & lifestyle audits? That to me is fighting corruption for the show or digitizing corruption! Kivuva, you're right without technology I'd probably be out of a job, but, like a good doctor I would tell you medicine is not your solution to lung cancer, you've got to give up that cigarette. Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io On 5 Jan 2014 13:02, "Kivuva" <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Waithaka, you would be jobless if you were not solving digital problems :-)
To follow up on Dr. Ndemo's timely observation, a new law has been put in place and will take effect by June where 1. All PSVs must implement cashless paymeny system for bus fare 2. All PSVs to be fit with fleet management systems where overspeeding will be checked from system logs, not on speed cameras 3. All PSVs to have surveillance cameras to reduce carjackings and petty crimes.
This will see Beba Pay and Mpesa fight for supremacy. I'm keen to see what card Safaricom has on it's deck. This is a great opportunity for payment system innovators to comeup with exciting products, and also for fleet management system companies to have regular work. The commuter on the other hand will dig dipper in his pockets to pay for the services.
And finally, the government has a way of collecting taxes on the Ksh 250Billion industry
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/New-law-on-technology-to-transform-PSV-s...
This development deserves a new thread, which I'm starting.
-- ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
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