Sidney et al. Since we all seem to agree that this is a real concern, may I ask how differently you would deliver news. It cannot be that we are complaining about Facebook and we are not offering what we would do differently. What became of our agency as individuals to source for our own news in the Internet age that we depend on Facebook exclusively to solve such a critical component of our lives? ---- Moses
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My two cents Fake news is less a problem than the fact that Facebook is very very good at insuring that you stay inside your own bubble.
As the liberals and Democrats look for someone, anyone, to blame for the election result they don't like they seem to have settled on Facebook. Anyone who knows how the newsfeed algorithm works knows that it shows you what it thinks you'll engage most with. I suspect that fake news only reinforced people's belief but did nothing to change their minds.
Meanwhile I shudder to think what will happen when FB has the power to decide what is fake news and what isn't. The ability for this to scale outside the US is dubious to say the least but I suspect what ever solution is created would be scaled globally. Other thoughts on why this is not a great thing can be found here: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/the-cure-for-fake-news-is-wor... <http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/the-cure-for-fake-news-is-worse-than-the-disease-214477>
Far more nefarious is the filter bubble, it's the same filter bubble that made so many sure that Hillary was going to win, the same bubble that makes it easy to stay within your "tribe" and stay unexposed other people's opinions. That's the real issue here and the way the incentives are set up makes it very unlikely that FB will do anything to fix it, even if they can.
On 22 November 2016 at 14:20, Mose Karanja via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Andrew, I agree with you on personal responsibility.
However, my post yesterday was more about the personalization of online experiences while isolating contrary opinion. That is very different from 'Fake News'.
It is easier for individuals to blame Facebook or Google for issues that are practically beyond them. Fake news is one of them. As it relates to Fake News, what happens to content hosted outside Facebook? Will we expect Facebook or Twitter or whatever platform there is to verify that for us? Remember Free Basics? There was so much heat generated from that debate with much much less progress on how to get people connected through public resources. I hope organizations that invested millions of dollars to fight Free Basics can also direct such kind of funding to engage government and communities to bring about more connectivity.
-Moses
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Hi All,
I’ve been following this thread with some interest and figured I’d add some comments to it.
Moses, you pose an interesting hypothesis below, and one I tend to agree with – we do tend to group with others that share our common ideas and beliefs, and it does tend to lead to a closed minded approach on alternative views. This is certainly a danger that I believe needs to be thought about.
At the same time, if I look at the uproar around the fake news, and I look at the impact of social media, I also believe that we must not discount the concept of personal responsibility. So often we rely on the platforms we use to verify information, to protect us from fake news, to protect us from what we see. But at the end of the day, each of us has a responsibility to verify what we read and make informed decisions. That is the nature of personal responsibility, and I hesitate to blame the providers of a platform for how we, as users, choose to use it.
In a recent interview with one of the guys who writes a lot of satire and so called fake news – he was asked why he did it, and what he felt about the fact that some of his articles may have actually helped Donald Trump assume the presidency in the states. He said that personally, he hated everything Trump stood for, and he regrets that, but in the past, people would have fact checked the stuff he wrote and discounted it, while Trump himself would have been spreading it around, and hence, his intention was actually to hurt the Trump campaign rather than help it, through writing satire. Unfortunately, people choose to actually believe verbatim what was written. Now – that raises a question – is he responsible for what was believed verbatim, or do you hold accountable the people who should have actually verified something before spreading it? I tend to lean towards the latter.
One of the advantages of the internet is that there are loads of sources of information – fact checking things is easy – we just have to choose to do it. We also have to be very wary of implementing controls and acting out of fears that are unsubstantiated and unfounded. I have seen similar in AfriNIC recently, where there is a policy proposal coming before the Mauritian meeting that has horrific implications. The basis behind it is that people are scared that someone MIGHT be abusing resources to we should implement something to cater for a hypothetical – irrespective of the damage that our risk mitigation may do – based on a fear that is unsubstantiated.
So guard against that – verify what we read – act from a position of knowledge rather than fear – and take personal responsibility rather than blame a platform for how we use it.
In the same way you cannot blame a computer if you commit an illegal act using it – because the computer is just the tool, it was you who used it in that manner.
Just my thoughts
Andrew
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I think the biggest tragedy we face, not just as Kenyans but as humans, is the behavior of teaming with only those we agree with.
This takes two levels.
Consciously: Some shares a news item on your timeline about a topic you find disgusting. You unfriend or unfollow them.
Unconsciously: Social network algorithms study your behavior and show you those things they think you 'like'.
The end result is you have a busy social media life but you are only interacting with those who look like you.
We end up with very weak social genes thanks to 'digital in-breeding'.
Individuals can work on the first one - a very steep socialization process though.
The issue is the second level; can social networks rewrite their algorithms to bring diversity to their subscribers at the cost of weakened business models that depend on engagement and personalization of online experiences.
This is not a simple problem and even if Facebook fixes the 'Fake News' problem, this 'digital in-breeding' will still lurk with us, not forgetting that other social media platforms have a responsibility too.
-Moses
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Mose et al., Yep. In fact my own view is that Facebook ought to be commended for making obvious a reality in online life that is often blurred offline. The algorithm just tells us who we are, what we want to associate with or be associated with. Even in offline life we surround ourselves in echo chambers. In Kenya the chambers are largely around social class and politics and their connectedness to ethno-nationalism, perhaps also religious beliefs. As such FB has only delivered to Americans the raw data about who they are in totality. I am amused that a Nation that touts its diversity as a strong suite is now shocked that there are such deep and divergent views about the American project! The solution seems to me to be in an active wanting to exit the safe spaces of your known or experienced reality. Your online feedback will quickly follow. Regards, -- *Note: *All emails sent from Strathmore University are subject to Strathmore’s Email Terms & Conditions. Please click here <http://www.strathmore.edu/en/email-policy> to read the policy. "Visit our Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/StrathmoreUniversity>Page and Twitter <https://twitter.com/StrathU>Account".
Moses, I've got a carefully curate set of news sources on feedly. I don't really know how this is fixed. Facebook, like everything else online is competing for our attention, which is finite, when we aren't on it we're on Twitter, Snapchat, IG, Whatsapp. If facebook doesn't stay as sticky as possible they lose out to one of their competitors... On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news. As for the bubble, I don't know if it's really Facebook's fault, it's human nature and I think the best we can do is make people aware of it and hope that they want to experience things outside it. On 23 November 2016 at 14:40, Mose Karanja <mosekaranja@gmail.com> wrote:
Sidney et al.
Since we all seem to agree that this is a real concern, may I ask how differently you would deliver news. It cannot be that we are complaining about Facebook and we are not offering what we would do differently. What became of our agency as individuals to source for our own news in the Internet age that we depend on Facebook exclusively to solve such a critical component of our lives?
---- Moses
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My two cents Fake news is less a problem than the fact that Facebook is very very good at insuring that you stay inside your own bubble.
As the liberals and Democrats look for someone, anyone, to blame for the election result they don't like they seem to have settled on Facebook. Anyone who knows how the newsfeed algorithm works knows that it shows you what it thinks you'll engage most with. I suspect that fake news only reinforced people's belief but did nothing to change their minds.
Meanwhile I shudder to think what will happen when FB has the power to decide what is fake news and what isn't. The ability for this to scale outside the US is dubious to say the least but I suspect what ever solution is created would be scaled globally. Other thoughts on why this is not a great thing can be found here: http://www.politico.com/ magazine/story/2016/11/the-cure-for-fake-news-is-worse- than-the-disease-214477
Far more nefarious is the filter bubble, it's the same filter bubble that made so many sure that Hillary was going to win, the same bubble that makes it easy to stay within your "tribe" and stay unexposed other people's opinions. That's the real issue here and the way the incentives are set up makes it very unlikely that FB will do anything to fix it, even if they can.
On 22 November 2016 at 14:20, Mose Karanja via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Andrew, I agree with you on personal responsibility.
However, my post yesterday was more about the personalization of online experiences while isolating contrary opinion. That is very different from 'Fake News'.
It is easier for individuals to blame Facebook or Google for issues that are practically beyond them. Fake news is one of them. As it relates to Fake News, what happens to content hosted outside Facebook? Will we expect Facebook or Twitter or whatever platform there is to verify that for us? Remember Free Basics? There was so much heat generated from that debate with much much less progress on how to get people connected through public resources. I hope organizations that invested millions of dollars to fight Free Basics can also direct such kind of funding to engage government and communities to bring about more connectivity.
-Moses
On 22 Nov 2016, at 14:09, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I’ve been following this thread with some interest and figured I’d add some comments to it.
Moses, you pose an interesting hypothesis below, and one I tend to agree with – we do tend to group with others that share our common ideas and beliefs, and it does tend to lead to a closed minded approach on alternative views. This is certainly a danger that I believe needs to be thought about.
At the same time, if I look at the uproar around the fake news, and I look at the impact of social media, I also believe that we must not discount the concept of personal responsibility. So often we rely on the platforms we use to verify information, to protect us from fake news, to protect us from what we see. But at the end of the day, each of us has a responsibility to verify what we read and make informed decisions. That is the nature of personal responsibility, and I hesitate to blame the providers of a platform for how we, as users, choose to use it.
In a recent interview with one of the guys who writes a lot of satire and so called fake news – he was asked why he did it, and what he felt about the fact that some of his articles may have actually helped Donald Trump assume the presidency in the states. He said that personally, he hated everything Trump stood for, and he regrets that, but in the past, people would have fact checked the stuff he wrote and discounted it, while Trump himself would have been spreading it around, and hence, his intention was actually to hurt the Trump campaign rather than help it, through writing satire. Unfortunately, people choose to actually believe verbatim what was written. Now – that raises a question – is he responsible for what was believed verbatim, or do you hold accountable the people who should have actually verified something before spreading it? I tend to lean towards the latter.
One of the advantages of the internet is that there are loads of sources of information – fact checking things is easy – we just have to choose to do it. We also have to be very wary of implementing controls and acting out of fears that are unsubstantiated and unfounded. I have seen similar in AfriNIC recently, where there is a policy proposal coming before the Mauritian meeting that has horrific implications. The basis behind it is that people are scared that someone MIGHT be abusing resources to we should implement something to cater for a hypothetical – irrespective of the damage that our risk mitigation may do – based on a fear that is unsubstantiated.
So guard against that – verify what we read – act from a position of knowledge rather than fear – and take personal responsibility rather than blame a platform for how we use it.
In the same way you cannot blame a computer if you commit an illegal act using it – because the computer is just the tool, it was you who used it in that manner.
Just my thoughts
Andrew
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I think the biggest tragedy we face, not just as Kenyans but as humans, is the behavior of teaming with only those we agree with.
This takes two levels.
*Consciously:* Some shares a news item on your timeline about a topic you find disgusting. You unfriend or unfollow them.
*Unconsciously:* Social network algorithms study your behavior and show you those things they think you 'like'.
The end result is you have a busy social media life but you are only interacting with those who look like you.
We end up with very weak social genes thanks to 'digital in-breeding'.
Individuals can work on the first one - a very steep socialization process though.
The issue is the second level; can social networks rewrite their algorithms to bring diversity to their subscribers at the cost of weakened business models that depend on engagement and personalization of online experiences.
This is not a simple problem and even if Facebook fixes the 'Fake News' problem, this 'digital in-breeding' will still lurk with us, not forgetting that other social media platforms have a responsibility too.
-Moses
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Most honest line I have heard in a long time: "On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.” I don’t think there is an algorithm for that - yet. Feedly as an aggregator is great. I was toying with the idea of ‘peeping’ into other people’s feeds so that if you have aggregated news on tech, hate speech, Kenya… and I am a Burkinabe who would want to know what is happening in Kenya on hate speech, I can ‘peep’ into your feed and get authentic verified news from the source. Most RSS feeds don’t have this feature and I think it is what ‘follow’ / ‘like’ concepts on most Social Media platforms work on. -M
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On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.
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In my opinion, as long as you are a news delivery channel, you are expected to uphold high standards. Locally, we make choices on whether to read gutter press or news from mainstream media houses. However the delivery channel is expected to at least sift through the content shared using intelligent algorithms in order to guard against misinformation. We can’t change what people’s perceptions but we as techies can come up with more open and intelligent algorithms that would at least minimize such issues. R.O
On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mose Karanja via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Most honest line I have heard in a long time:
"On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.”
I don’t think there is an algorithm for that - yet.
Feedly as an aggregator is great. I was toying with the idea of ‘peeping’ into other people’s feeds so that if you have aggregated news on tech, hate speech, Kenya… and I am a Burkinabe who would want to know what is happening in Kenya on hate speech, I can ‘peep’ into your feed and get authentic verified news from the source.
Most RSS feeds don’t have this feature and I think it is what ‘follow’ / ‘like’ concepts on most Social Media platforms work on.
-M
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On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.
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China Uses US Concern Over Fake News To Push For More Control Of The Internet | Techdirt https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161122/11501136116/china-uses-us-concern... This is some what predictable but still worrying On 23 November 2016 at 17:50, Ronald Ojino via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In my opinion, as long as you are a news delivery channel, you are expected to uphold high standards. Locally, we make choices on whether to read gutter press or news from mainstream media houses. However the delivery channel is expected to at least sift through the content shared using intelligent algorithms in order to guard against misinformation. We can’t change what people’s perceptions but we as techies can come up with more open and intelligent algorithms that would at least minimize such issues. R.O
On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mose Karanja via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Most honest line I have heard in a long time:
"On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.”
I don’t think there is an algorithm for that - yet.
Feedly as an aggregator is great. I was toying with the idea of ‘peeping’ into other people’s feeds so that if you have aggregated news on tech, hate speech, Kenya… and I am a Burkinabe who would want to know what is happening in Kenya on hate speech, I can ‘peep’ into your feed and get authentic verified news from the source.
Most RSS feeds don’t have this feature and I think it is what ‘follow’ / ‘like’ concepts on most Social Media platforms work on.
-M
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On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.
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Bruce Schneier has pointed these problems out repeatedly, most recently saying: "As the chairman pointed out, there are now computers in everything. But I want to suggest another way of thinking about it in that everything is now a computer: This is not a phone. It’s a computer that makes phone calls. A refrigerator is a computer that keeps things cold. ATM machine is a computer with money inside. Your car is not a mechanical device with a computer. It’s a computer with four wheels and an engine… And this is the Internet of Things, and this is what caused the DDoS attack we’re talking about." Source: http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/bruce-schneier-internet-of-things/ On Thu, 24 Nov 2016, 12:50 Sidney Ochieng via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
China Uses US Concern Over Fake News To Push For More Control Of The Internet | Techdirt https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161122/11501136116/china-uses-us-concern... This is some what predictable but still worrying
On 23 November 2016 at 17:50, Ronald Ojino via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In my opinion, as long as you are a news delivery channel, you are expected to uphold high standards. Locally, we make choices on whether to read gutter press or news from mainstream media houses. However the delivery channel is expected to at least sift through the content shared using intelligent algorithms in order to guard against misinformation. We can’t change what people’s perceptions but we as techies can come up with more open and intelligent algorithms that would at least minimize such issues. R.O
On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mose Karanja via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Most honest line I have heard in a long time:
"On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.”
I don’t think there is an algorithm for that - yet.
Feedly as an aggregator is great. I was toying with the idea of ‘peeping’ into other people’s feeds so that if you have aggregated news on tech, hate speech, Kenya… and I am a Burkinabe who would want to know what is happening in Kenya on hate speech, I can ‘peep’ into your feed and get authentic verified news from the source.
Most RSS feeds don’t have this feature and I think it is what ‘follow’ / ‘like’ concepts on most Social Media platforms work on.
-M
On 23 Nov 2016, at 15:41, Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com> wrote:
On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.
www.moseskaranja.com
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Facebook’s Content Blocking Sends Some Very Mixed Messages https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602974/facebooks-content-blocking-sends-s... They have the power, the question becomes do you want them to use it? On 24 November 2016 at 12:49, Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com> wrote:
China Uses US Concern Over Fake News To Push For More Control Of The Internet | Techdirt https://www.techdirt.com/ articles/20161122/11501136116/china-uses-us-concern-over- fake-news-to-push-more-control-internet.shtml This is some what predictable but still worrying
On 23 November 2016 at 17:50, Ronald Ojino via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In my opinion, as long as you are a news delivery channel, you are expected to uphold high standards. Locally, we make choices on whether to read gutter press or news from mainstream media houses. However the delivery channel is expected to at least sift through the content shared using intelligent algorithms in order to guard against misinformation. We can’t change what people’s perceptions but we as techies can come up with more open and intelligent algorithms that would at least minimize such issues. R.O
On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mose Karanja via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Most honest line I have heard in a long time:
"On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.”
I don’t think there is an algorithm for that - yet.
Feedly as an aggregator is great. I was toying with the idea of ‘peeping’ into other people’s feeds so that if you have aggregated news on tech, hate speech, Kenya… and I am a Burkinabe who would want to know what is happening in Kenya on hate speech, I can ‘peep’ into your feed and get authentic verified news from the source.
Most RSS feeds don’t have this feature and I think it is what ‘follow’ / ‘like’ concepts on most Social Media platforms work on.
-M
On 23 Nov 2016, at 15:41, Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com> wrote:
On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.
www.moseskaranja.com
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A more fundamental problem is metrics that Facebook uses, that are aligned with its business goals, which are simple, and aren't aligned with user needs, which are complex. A recent presentation discussed these issues here: "Is Anything Worth Maximising?" http://nxhx.org/maximizing/ On Thu, 24 Nov 2016, 13:00 Sidney Ochieng via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Facebook’s Content Blocking Sends Some Very Mixed Messages https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602974/facebooks-content-blocking-sends-s...
They have the power, the question becomes do you want them to use it?
On 24 November 2016 at 12:49, Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com> wrote:
China Uses US Concern Over Fake News To Push For More Control Of The Internet | Techdirt https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161122/11501136116/china-uses-us-concern... This is some what predictable but still worrying
On 23 November 2016 at 17:50, Ronald Ojino via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In my opinion, as long as you are a news delivery channel, you are expected to uphold high standards. Locally, we make choices on whether to read gutter press or news from mainstream media houses. However the delivery channel is expected to at least sift through the content shared using intelligent algorithms in order to guard against misinformation. We can’t change what people’s perceptions but we as techies can come up with more open and intelligent algorithms that would at least minimize such issues. R.O
On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mose Karanja via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Most honest line I have heard in a long time:
"On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.”
I don’t think there is an algorithm for that - yet.
Feedly as an aggregator is great. I was toying with the idea of ‘peeping’ into other people’s feeds so that if you have aggregated news on tech, hate speech, Kenya… and I am a Burkinabe who would want to know what is happening in Kenya on hate speech, I can ‘peep’ into your feed and get authentic verified news from the source.
Most RSS feeds don’t have this feature and I think it is what ‘follow’ / ‘like’ concepts on most Social Media platforms work on.
-M
On 23 Nov 2016, at 15:41, Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com> wrote:
On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.
www.moseskaranja.com
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@Brian , thanks for sharing, thats what i have been advocating for all along...more open and intelligent metrics to alleviate this emerging issue. On 24-Nov-2016 1:07 PM, "Brian Muhia via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
A more fundamental problem is metrics that Facebook uses, that are aligned with its business goals, which are simple, and aren't aligned with user needs, which are complex. A recent presentation discussed these issues here: "Is Anything Worth Maximising?" http://nxhx.org/maximizing/
On Thu, 24 Nov 2016, 13:00 Sidney Ochieng via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Facebook’s Content Blocking Sends Some Very Mixed Messages https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602974/facebooks- content-blocking-sends-some-very-mixed-messages/amp/
They have the power, the question becomes do you want them to use it?
On 24 November 2016 at 12:49, Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com> wrote:
China Uses US Concern Over Fake News To Push For More Control Of The Internet | Techdirt https://www.techdirt.com/ articles/20161122/11501136116/china-uses-us-concern-over- fake-news-to-push-more-control-internet.shtml This is some what predictable but still worrying
On 23 November 2016 at 17:50, Ronald Ojino via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
In my opinion, as long as you are a news delivery channel, you are expected to uphold high standards. Locally, we make choices on whether to read gutter press or news from mainstream media houses. However the delivery channel is expected to at least sift through the content shared using intelligent algorithms in order to guard against misinformation. We can’t change what people’s perceptions but we as techies can come up with more open and intelligent algorithms that would at least minimize such issues. R.O
On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Mose Karanja via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Most honest line I have heard in a long time:
"On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.”
I don’t think there is an algorithm for that - yet.
Feedly as an aggregator is great. I was toying with the idea of ‘peeping’ into other people’s feeds so that if you have aggregated news on tech, hate speech, Kenya… and I am a Burkinabe who would want to know what is happening in Kenya on hate speech, I can ‘peep’ into your feed and get authentic verified news from the source.
Most RSS feeds don’t have this feature and I think it is what ‘follow’ / ‘like’ concepts on most Social Media platforms work on.
-M
On 23 Nov 2016, at 15:41, Sidney Ochieng <sidney.ochieng@gmail.com> wrote:
On fake news I think it's pretty sanctimonious of us to assume people are idiots and don't know that they are reading fake news.
www.moseskaranja.com
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