Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2)
Thanks Bwana Kibati for your well articulated responses. As you can see, your responses have raised further queries on energy from Brainiac and we look forward to your responses. A great point you raise on the fact that changing our value systems must be a national collective effort if we are going to have social transformation. We can have all the infrastructure but if we do not have values, then there might not be much meaning to Kenyans. Barrack, Solomon and Harry, you now have it from Mr. Kibati. Harry, I do hope that you will take on the challenge to present the Vision 2030 secretariat with a concept on energy distribution. This will be a great outcome of this debate and I am sure Brainiac and other listers may want to join you. Barrack, i think this is your opportunity to influence. Is it possible to suggest how Vision 2030 can influence national values using ICTs? Tusingojee serikali...:) As we reflect on the responses, we also move on to Day 2. The focus is on the three pillars of Vision 2030. The vision is grounded on three piilars and we will look at the first one which is the economic pillar. The Economic pillar seeks to improve the prosperity of all regions of the country and all Kenyans by achieving Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth rate by 2012. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars The Medium Term Plan (2008-2012 identifies six targetted priority sectors namely tourism, agriculture, wholesale and retail trade, manufacturing, IT enabled services and financial services. Over to you listers. Please feel free to still raise concerns on the vision or on Mr. Kibati's responses too. Sasa basi wakilisheni!. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!
My queries are below: When it comes to Economics, we are lagging behind. We had a projected growth rate of 10%, however the World Bank estimates that we will (on the upside) have economic growth of 5% in 2012. http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/AFRICAEXT/KENYAEXTN/0,,co..., not sure how the 2030 secretariat is handling this. On the economic pillar, I have some issues with the BPO sector. As we approach 2030, our competitiveness will depend on either a weaker currency or somehow reducing our cost of labour (China currently artificially prevents it's currency from weakening to remain competitive in exports). How do we ensure that our growth does not kill the very sector we are trying to grow? We also need to ingrain a culture of eating our own dogfood, growing Kenya as a market for Kenyan produce (e.g. What we have done with tea). How can we spur production of GSM Infrastructure, have policy that supports local software as opposed to imported software (use of open platforms would save this country a few billion USD every year) e.g. It may cost more to maintain an Open Source software platform (e.g. Ubuntu), but it actually is cheaper than buying MS (basically, the money is kept in our local ecosystem, creating more employment for our IT graduates who maintain the system anyway), Belgium has actually implemented the model... We also have a model being piloted in the EU, the Living Labs concept, http://www.openlivinglabs.eu/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_lab, which can be used for community level innovation. The latest report by the ICT Board estimates total ICT expenditure at 700M. If we can prevent the outflow of a lot of this spend (in open information systems that have equivalent standards) we have the double edged sword of perfecting our developer ecosystem whilst saving the country in general a fortune... On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Thanks Bwana Kibati for your well articulated responses. As you can see, your responses have raised further queries on energy from Brainiac and we look forward to your responses.
A great point you raise on the fact that changing our value systems must be a national collective effort if we are going to have social transformation. We can have all the infrastructure but if we do not have values, then there might not be much meaning to Kenyans.
Barrack, Solomon and Harry, you now have it from Mr. Kibati.
Harry, I do hope that you will take on the challenge to present the Vision 2030 secretariat with a concept on energy distribution. This will be a great outcome of this debate and I am sure Brainiac and other listers may want to join you.
Barrack, i think this is your opportunity to influence. Is it possible to suggest how Vision 2030 can influence national values using ICTs? Tusingojee serikali...:)
As we reflect on the responses, *we also move on to Day 2. * ** *The focus is on the three pillars of Vision 2030. The vision is grounded on three piilars and we will look at the first one which is the economic pillar.*
The Economic pillar seeks to improve the prosperity of all regions of the country and all Kenyans by achieving Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth rate by 2012. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars
The Medium Term Plan (2008-2012 identifies six targetted priority sectors namely tourism, agriculture, wholesale and retail trade, manufacturing, IT enabled services and financial services.
Over to you listers. Please feel free to still raise concerns on the vision or on Mr. Kibati's responses too.
Sasa basi wakilisheni!.
Rgds Grace
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Thank you Bw. Kibati for your responses. Thank you Grace too, for this forum. To Bw. Kibati, I'm looking at the abridged version of Vision 2030, Chapter 5 "The Social Strategy: Investing in the People of Kenya", which points out various sectors that will be invested in, in the realization of the Vision. My interest here is the Education and Training, specifically on the flagship projects for this sector. Reading through, I notice that the projects pointed out are directed towards primary and secondary education. Beyond there, it remains in the oblivion. However, my major concern is the adult education sub-sector. About a year ago, the Directorate of Adult and Continuing Education hired a paltry 880 adult education teachers against a shortfall of about 20,000. Since they were not trained or inducted in handling adult learners, the number of adult illiterates has not decreased much. The Vision 2030, in my view, focusses on Basic Primary and Secondary Education. Where are the adult learners ( youth and adults) fitting? My flagship projects for the sub-sector would be: 1. Establish one adult education centre of excellence per sub-location by 2012 2. Equip existing adult education centres with computers, books and electronic gadgets (kindles for example) by 2012 3. Finalize and implement the National Qualification Framework by 2012 4. Hire qualified personnel to handle adult learners by 2012. All these can be done through PPP model. The reason as to why I'm generally concerned with this population is two-fold. Adult learners are the voters in Kenya, thus in a position to determine the course Kenya will take in the next few years. If they are not informed, then they end up making wrong social, political and economic decisions. Secondly, in most of the documents that are reform-oriented, specifically Education reforms, adult education has been neglected. In the Task Force on Aligning Education Reforms to the New Constitution, adult Education has been put on the periphery - it's only mentioned a few times, while much emphasis is on Primary and Secondary Education. Regards Solomon On 14/12/2011, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
My queries are below:
When it comes to Economics, we are lagging behind. We had a projected growth rate of 10%, however the World Bank estimates that we will (on the upside) have economic growth of 5% in 2012. http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/AFRICAEXT/KENYAEXTN/0,,co..., not sure how the 2030 secretariat is handling this.
On the economic pillar, I have some issues with the BPO sector. As we approach 2030, our competitiveness will depend on either a weaker currency or somehow reducing our cost of labour (China currently artificially prevents it's currency from weakening to remain competitive in exports). How do we ensure that our growth does not kill the very sector we are trying to grow?
We also need to ingrain a culture of eating our own dogfood, growing Kenya as a market for Kenyan produce (e.g. What we have done with tea). How can we spur production of GSM Infrastructure, have policy that supports local software as opposed to imported software (use of open platforms would save this country a few billion USD every year) e.g. It may cost more to maintain an Open Source software platform (e.g. Ubuntu), but it actually is cheaper than buying MS (basically, the money is kept in our local ecosystem, creating more employment for our IT graduates who maintain the system anyway), Belgium has actually implemented the model... We also have a model being piloted in the EU, the Living Labs concept, http://www.openlivinglabs.eu/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_lab, which can be used for community level innovation.
The latest report by the ICT Board estimates total ICT expenditure at 700M. If we can prevent the outflow of a lot of this spend (in open information systems that have equivalent standards) we have the double edged sword of perfecting our developer ecosystem whilst saving the country in general a fortune...
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Thanks Bwana Kibati for your well articulated responses. As you can see, your responses have raised further queries on energy from Brainiac and we look forward to your responses.
A great point you raise on the fact that changing our value systems must be a national collective effort if we are going to have social transformation. We can have all the infrastructure but if we do not have values, then there might not be much meaning to Kenyans.
Barrack, Solomon and Harry, you now have it from Mr. Kibati.
Harry, I do hope that you will take on the challenge to present the Vision 2030 secretariat with a concept on energy distribution. This will be a great outcome of this debate and I am sure Brainiac and other listers may want to join you.
Barrack, i think this is your opportunity to influence. Is it possible to suggest how Vision 2030 can influence national values using ICTs? Tusingojee serikali...:)
As we reflect on the responses, *we also move on to Day 2. * ** *The focus is on the three pillars of Vision 2030. The vision is grounded on three piilars and we will look at the first one which is the economic pillar.*
The Economic pillar seeks to improve the prosperity of all regions of the country and all Kenyans by achieving Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth rate by 2012. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars
The Medium Term Plan (2008-2012 identifies six targetted priority sectors namely tourism, agriculture, wholesale and retail trade, manufacturing, IT enabled services and financial services.
Over to you listers. Please feel free to still raise concerns on the vision or on Mr. Kibati's responses too.
Sasa basi wakilisheni!.
Rgds Grace
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Asanteni Phares, Solomon, Harry, Kioko, Barrack and Karanja kwa kuwakilisha. Great points you all raise. I am sure the vision 2030 secretariat will benefit from this interrogation of the document and hopefully incorporate the critical issues being raised. Obviously Bwana Kibati has alot of responses to make today and we once again look forward to understanding how the secretariat is handling some of these concerns. Solomon, good point on where do you situate adult learners in the Vision. Lets hope your recommendations will be taken on board. Phares, a good ICT concern: how do we spur production of GSM infrastructure and supportive policies for local software? Harry, you are right. It is time for us to reflect as Kenyans. What lessons can we draw on turning 48 and what can we learn from the Asian Tigers? Kioko, pls do not be afraid to engage since you might be keeping useful information for this country to yourself. You do realize you have raised concerns that the Vision 2030 must address in particular the issue of security and gangs, which can undermine its success. Barrack, critical point on monitoring performance in the different regions will be undertaken. Karanaja, yes, how do we strengthen our training institutions? Plenty of good information you have all generated. Lets keep the debate live even as we wait for Bwana Mugo's reaction to the issues raised. Have a great evening. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: pkariuki@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:35:42 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com My queries are below: When it comes to Economics, we are lagging behind. We had a projected growth rate of 10%, however the World Bank estimates that we will (on the upside) have economic growth of 5% in 2012. http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/AFRICAEXT/KENYAEXTN/0,,co..., not sure how the 2030 secretariat is handling this. On the economic pillar, I have some issues with the BPO sector. As we approach 2030, our competitiveness will depend on either a weaker currency or somehow reducing our cost of labour (China currently artificially prevents it's currency from weakening to remain competitive in exports). How do we ensure that our growth does not kill the very sector we are trying to grow? We also need to ingrain a culture of eating our own dogfood, growing Kenya as a market for Kenyan produce (e.g. What we have done with tea). How can we spur production of GSM Infrastructure, have policy that supports local software as opposed to imported software (use of open platforms would save this country a few billion USD every year) e.g. It may cost more to maintain an Open Source software platform (e.g. Ubuntu), but it actually is cheaper than buying MS (basically, the money is kept in our local ecosystem, creating more employment for our IT graduates who maintain the system anyway), Belgium has actually implemented the model... We also have a model being piloted in the EU, the Living Labs concept, http://www.openlivinglabs.eu/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_lab, which can be used for community level innovation. The latest report by the ICT Board estimates total ICT expenditure at 700M. If we can prevent the outflow of a lot of this spend (in open information systems that have equivalent standards) we have the double edged sword of perfecting our developer ecosystem whilst saving the country in general a fortune...
Hi all, I just got home after a rather hectic day. I have seen your numerous questions and hope you will indulge my responding to the various questions and comments over the next 48 in no particular order. Regards, Mugo Sent from my iPad On 14 Dec 2011, at 20:16, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
Asanteni Phares, Solomon, Harry, Kioko, Barrack and Karanja kwa kuwakilisha. Great points you all raise. I am sure the vision 2030 secretariat will benefit from this interrogation of the document and hopefully incorporate the critical issues being raised. Obviously Bwana Kibati has alot of responses to make today and we once again look forward to understanding how the secretariat is handling some of these concerns.
Solomon, good point on where do you situate adult learners in the Vision. Lets hope your recommendations will be taken on board.
Phares, a good ICT concern: how do we spur production of GSM infrastructure and supportive policies for local software?
Harry, you are right. It is time for us to reflect as Kenyans. What lessons can we draw on turning 48 and what can we learn from the Asian Tigers?
Kioko, pls do not be afraid to engage since you might be keeping useful information for this country to yourself. You do realize you have raised concerns that the Vision 2030 must address in particular the issue of security and gangs, which can undermine its success.
Barrack, critical point on monitoring performance in the different regions will be undertaken.
Karanaja, yes, how do we strengthen our training institutions?
Plenty of good information you have all generated. Lets keep the debate live even as we wait for Bwana Mugo's reaction to the issues raised.
Have a great evening. Rgds Grace
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!
From: pkariuki@gmail.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:35:42 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
My queries are below:
When it comes to Economics, we are lagging behind. We had a projected growth rate of 10%, however the World Bank estimates that we will (on the upside) have economic growth of 5% in 2012. http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/AFRICAEXT/KENYAEXTN/0,,co..., not sure how the 2030 secretariat is handling this.
On the economic pillar, I have some issues with the BPO sector. As we approach 2030, our competitiveness will depend on either a weaker currency or somehow reducing our cost of labour (China currently artificially prevents it's currency from weakening to remain competitive in exports). How do we ensure that our growth does not kill the very sector we are trying to grow?
We also need to ingrain a culture of eating our own dogfood, growing Kenya as a market for Kenyan produce (e.g. What we have done with tea). How can we spur production of GSM Infrastructure, have policy that supports local software as opposed to imported software (use of open platforms would save this country a few billion USD every year) e.g. It may cost more to maintain an Open Source software platform (e.g. Ubuntu), but it actually is cheaper than buying MS (basically, the money is kept in our local ecosystem, creating more employment for our IT graduates who maintain the system anyway), Belgium has actually implemented the model... We also have a model being piloted in the EU, the Living Labs concept, http://www.openlivinglabs.eu/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_lab, which can be used for community level innovation.
The latest report by the ICT Board estimates total ICT expenditure at 700M. If we can prevent the outflow of a lot of this spend (in open information systems that have equivalent standards) we have the double edged sword of perfecting our developer ecosystem whilst saving the country in general a fortune...
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Bwana Kibati No problem at all and thanks informing us of when we are likely to hear from you. We understand that some days can just be too hectic. Please do respond to the various questions in whichever order you feel comfortable. After all, they are all interlinked, and I bet will still generate further debate. We will therefore continue with the discussion as we wait. Aguyo, critical question you raise. How will Vision 2030 use ICTs to inform the public on the status of flagship projects and their linkage to open data? Matunda the point you make that ICTs can be used by government for real time financial management to reduce leakage (kickbacks and price inflation) is interesting. We move on to Day 3 of this debate. We move onto the second pillar which is the Social Pillar. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars/index/social The objective of the Social Pillar is to invest in the people of Kenya in order to improve the quality of life for all Kenyans by targeting a cross-section of human and social welfare projects and programmes, specifically: Education and training, Health, Environment, Housing and urbanisation, Gender, children and social development, Youth and sports. Listers, tuendelee kuwakilisha. You can still raise your concerns on the vision, the foundations and the economic pillar (Day 1 and 2). Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke From: mugo@vision2030.go.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:19:14 +0300 To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Hi all, I just got home after a rather hectic day. I have seen your numerous questions and hope you will indulge my responding to the various questions and comments over the next 48 in no particular order. Regards, Mugo Sent from my iPad .
Dear Phares, Thanks for your comments. Artificial currency manipulation is not the way to go nor can we prevent cost of labour rising with increasing standards of living and a growing middle class. What we have to do for the IT Enabled Sector is to constantly move up the value chain (i.e. higher end IT services such as software development) which is already beginning to happen. Additionally, we will need to leverage the various advantages we have in location and preferred hub in Africa. The name of the game has got to be productivity and competitiveness. I also concur that we need to support and promote our own but that will require a concerted effort to elevate our quality levels to global standards across the board and also for us to develop a resilient innovative culture. One of the things we are trying to do is to encourage the government to source local software products and BPO services, while also ensuring we engage global standards consultancy to ascertain we keep up with global developments. It's a delicate balancing act which Dr. Ndemo is undertaking! Mugo <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/> logo.jpg Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: mugo@vision2030.go.ke www.vision2030.go.ke From: kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Phares Kariuki Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:36 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) My queries are below: When it comes to Economics, we are lagging behind. We had a projected growth rate of 10%, however the World Bank estimates that we will (on the upside) have economic growth of 5% in 2012. http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/AFRICAEXT/KENYAEXTN/0,,co ntentMDK:22600594~pagePK:141137~piPK:141127~theSitePK:356509,00.html, not sure how the 2030 secretariat is handling this. On the economic pillar, I have some issues with the BPO sector. As we approach 2030, our competitiveness will depend on either a weaker currency or somehow reducing our cost of labour (China currently artificially prevents it's currency from weakening to remain competitive in exports). How do we ensure that our growth does not kill the very sector we are trying to grow? We also need to ingrain a culture of eating our own dogfood, growing Kenya as a market for Kenyan produce (e.g. What we have done with tea). How can we spur production of GSM Infrastructure, have policy that supports local software as opposed to imported software (use of open platforms would save this country a few billion USD every year) e.g. It may cost more to maintain an Open Source software platform (e.g. Ubuntu), but it actually is cheaper than buying MS (basically, the money is kept in our local ecosystem, creating more employment for our IT graduates who maintain the system anyway), Belgium has actually implemented the model... We also have a model being piloted in the EU, the Living Labs concept, http://www.openlivinglabs.eu/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_lab, which can be used for community level innovation. The latest report by the ICT Board estimates total ICT expenditure at 700M. If we can prevent the outflow of a lot of this spend (in open information systems that have equivalent standards) we have the double edged sword of perfecting our developer ecosystem whilst saving the country in general a fortune... On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: Thanks Bwana Kibati for your well articulated responses. As you can see, your responses have raised further queries on energy from Brainiac and we look forward to your responses. A great point you raise on the fact that changing our value systems must be a national collective effort if we are going to have social transformation. We can have all the infrastructure but if we do not have values, then there might not be much meaning to Kenyans. Barrack, Solomon and Harry, you now have it from Mr. Kibati. Harry, I do hope that you will take on the challenge to present the Vision 2030 secretariat with a concept on energy distribution. This will be a great outcome of this debate and I am sure Brainiac and other listers may want to join you. Barrack, i think this is your opportunity to influence. Is it possible to suggest how Vision 2030 can influence national values using ICTs? Tusingojee serikali...:) As we reflect on the responses, we also move on to Day 2. The focus is on the three pillars of Vision 2030. The vision is grounded on three piilars and we will look at the first one which is the economic pillar. The Economic pillar seeks to improve the prosperity of all regions of the country and all Kenyans by achieving Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth rate by 2012. <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars> http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars The Medium Term Plan (2008-2012 identifies six targetted priority sectors namely tourism, agriculture, wholesale and retail trade, manufacturing, IT enabled services and financial services. Over to you listers. Please feel free to still raise concerns on the vision or on Mr. Kibati's responses too. Sasa basi wakilisheni!. Rgds Grace ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkariuki%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Grace. Na hii list imenyamazeko saana..! Ladies and gentlemen, we now have Mr. Kibati with us. Could I please urge all to engage with him.. Mr. Kibati, many thanks again for your time, and for the candid response - especially on the benchmarks. Honestly speaking, a lot of the flagship projects being rolled out within the Vision2030 epitomize some "uncharted" territory for us. However I believe let's not fear to be bold since, there are a lot of successful case study stories that we can continue to learn from, especially those of the South-East "Asian Tigers", as they are popularly called- where they have failed and where they have succeeded. As we are constantly reminded, we purportedly at some point in the 60's or 70's were on the same footing, if not ahead of some of them before they overtook us at some lightning speed. Let's quickly work to catch up. But again it would be really important to look inwards as Team Vision 2030 ( I really would love to hear from you on this). We have had a solid 48 years ( we just celebrated an anniversary). What poignant lessons do we draw..? Why have we failed to make most of the opportunities we had? How do we address this, and include it in the vision2030.? I suppose this would be the best point to look at ourselves, and consider the reasons why others succeeded and we failed - badly. I'm glad to note that again as you've mentioned, there is inbuilt flexibility to refine models, targets ,goals/objectives etc as this ship sails on since this is very important, to incorporate new ideas/realities on the ground. On "Energy distribution", if you'd allow me to go back to this, you've mentioned about "unbundling" it. I might not be certain what this means, but does it indicate stripping away monopoly, or are there various distribution packages that will need to be decentralized.? Then on the Rural electrification programme, - I will check this out, however does it mean it's now an independent entity that does its own electricity distribution to consumers..? If this is a success model, then let's liberalize the entire sector.. Grace, it's quite an honor on the concept paper.. I'd need some experts on the list, in this area to come on board. But I will take up the challenge.. Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Grace Githaiga Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:01 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Thanks Bwana Kibati for your well articulated responses. As you can see, your responses have raised further queries on energy from Brainiac and we look forward to your responses. A great point you raise on the fact that changing our value systems must be a national collective effort if we are going to have social transformation. We can have all the infrastructure but if we do not have values, then there might not be much meaning to Kenyans. Barrack, Solomon and Harry, you now have it from Mr. Kibati. Harry, I do hope that you will take on the challenge to present the Vision 2030 secretariat with a concept on energy distribution. This will be a great outcome of this debate and I am sure Brainiac and other listers may want to join you. Barrack, i think this is your opportunity to influence. Is it possible to suggest how Vision 2030 can influence national values using ICTs? Tusingojee serikali...:) As we reflect on the responses, we also move on to Day 2. The focus is on the three pillars of Vision 2030. The vision is grounded on three piilars and we will look at the first one which is the economic pillar. The Economic pillar seeks to improve the prosperity of all regions of the country and all Kenyans by achieving Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth rate by 2012. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars The Medium Term Plan (2008-2012 identifies six targetted priority sectors namely tourism, agriculture, wholesale and retail trade, manufacturing, IT enabled services and financial services. Over to you listers. Please feel free to still raise concerns on the vision or on Mr. Kibati's responses too. Sasa basi wakilisheni!. Rgds Grace ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!
I am quite afraid to engage, as like majority of the population and politicians, I am yet to read up on Vision 2030 and its many pillars (though civil servants are required to have knowledge of it before promotion). However , I am keen on a few issues, and not sure how Vision 2030 touches on them - Ease of doing business - almost 50 years since independence, government and especially local government are biggest hindrances when it comes to doing business. Are there plans to make it easy to start a business, like even make it free (free licenses) and guarantee site security (for small kiosks, like allocated areas) with the aim that the business will be taxed later on . Free licensing with penalties for those without means we have an idea of number of businesses, which we can tax after 1 year and so on. More businesses means more tax and more employment. - Agriculture - our agriculture is still primitive, and for all intents we may still be using stone age tools. How do we move to mass production and economies of scale, mechanize agriculture for small scale holders? - Research & manufacturing - we do almost 0 research in this country, meaning we import what is often referred to as "superior technology" from Europe (Germany) and other countries. Why not have universities especially tackle the issue of processing agricultural produce. We also need agricultural produce processing industries to serve our hinterland. Kenya is a small agricultural nation compared to Tanzania, Uganda, South Sudan which have more arable land (we can outdo them if we take irrigation seriously) - Security - there is virtually no security in this country, seeing that a gang can comfortably set up a toll point on the countries most modern highway (Thika road) and "tax" every motorist Kshs 1,000 , unperturbed. The scenario is repeated across the country where it becomes almost impossible to conduct any activity past dusk.
On the economic pillar bwana Kibati, it is said wealth is in what you keep as opposed to what you spend, in Europe i see deliberate efforts to close down towns during the weekend and open up the space for small scale traders, considering the fact that our market is 70% Kadogo are arrangements like this envisaged, the Maasai Markets in Hurligham and behind the Supreme Court, can we see more of this in Kinungi (Vegetables) Kiserian (Goats), just a wild thought i wonder the implication of this on the economy? On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am quite afraid to engage, as like majority of the population and politicians, I am yet to read up on Vision 2030 and its many pillars (though civil servants are required to have knowledge of it before promotion). However , I am keen on a few issues, and not sure how Vision 2030 touches on them
Ease of doing business - almost 50 years since independence, government and especially local government are biggest hindrances when it comes to doing business. Are there plans to make it easy to start a business, like even make it free (free licenses) and guarantee site security (for small kiosks, like allocated areas) with the aim that the business will be taxed later on . Free licensing with penalties for those without means we have an idea of number of businesses, which we can tax after 1 year and so on. More businesses means more tax and more employment. Agriculture - our agriculture is still primitive, and for all intents we may still be using stone age tools. How do we move to mass production and economies of scale, mechanize agriculture for small scale holders? Research & manufacturing - we do almost 0 research in this country, meaning we import what is often referred to as "superior technology" from Europe (Germany) and other countries. Why not have universities especially tackle the issue of processing agricultural produce. We also need agricultural produce processing industries to serve our hinterland. Kenya is a small agricultural nation compared to Tanzania, Uganda, South Sudan which have more arable land (we can outdo them if we take irrigation seriously) Security - there is virtually no security in this country, seeing that a gang can comfortably set up a toll point on the countries most modern highway (Thika road) and "tax" every motorist Kshs 1,000 , unperturbed. The scenario is repeated across the country where it becomes almost impossible to conduct any activity past dusk.
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Mr. Kibati, I base my questions on the paragraph below how will be be able to monitor how each region is perfoming?, i think the recently launched Open Data platform would be an ideal tool to help with this. I look forwad to your thoughts on the same Thank you The Economic Pillar of Vision 2030 seeks to improve the prosperity of all regions of the country and all Kenyans by achieving a 10% Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth rate by 2012. Within the Medium Term Plan 2008-2012, six priority sectors that make up the larger part of Kenya’s GDP (57%) and provide for nearly half of the country’s total formal employment were targeted. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
On the economic pillar bwana Kibati, it is said wealth is in what you keep as opposed to what you spend, in Europe i see deliberate efforts to close down towns during the weekend and open up the space for small scale traders, considering the fact that our market is 70% Kadogo are arrangements like this envisaged, the Maasai Markets in Hurligham and behind the Supreme Court, can we see more of this in Kinungi (Vegetables) Kiserian (Goats), just a wild thought i wonder the implication of this on the economy?
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am quite afraid to engage, as like majority of the population and politicians, I am yet to read up on Vision 2030 and its many pillars (though civil servants are required to have knowledge of it before promotion). However , I am keen on a few issues, and not sure how Vision 2030 touches on them
Ease of doing business - almost 50 years since independence, government and especially local government are biggest hindrances when it comes to doing business. Are there plans to make it easy to start a business, like even make it free (free licenses) and guarantee site security (for small kiosks, like allocated areas) with the aim that the business will be taxed later on . Free licensing with penalties for those without means we have an idea of number of businesses, which we can tax after 1 year and so on. More businesses means more tax and more employment. Agriculture - our agriculture is still primitive, and for all intents we may still be using stone age tools. How do we move to mass production and economies of scale, mechanize agriculture for small scale holders? Research & manufacturing - we do almost 0 research in this country, meaning we import what is often referred to as "superior technology" from Europe (Germany) and other countries. Why not have universities especially tackle the issue of processing agricultural produce. We also need agricultural produce processing industries to serve our hinterland. Kenya is a small agricultural nation compared to Tanzania, Uganda, South Sudan which have more arable land (we can outdo them if we take irrigation seriously) Security - there is virtually no security in this country, seeing that a gang can comfortably set up a toll point on the countries most modern highway (Thika road) and "tax" every motorist Kshs 1,000 , unperturbed. The scenario is repeated across the country where it becomes almost impossible to conduct any activity past dusk.
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If it is true that promotion of civil servants depends on reading Vision 2030, then that strikes me as quite illiberal. Vision 2030 is a fairly ideological document, as well as one far more closely identified with one of the coalition partners than with the other. Promotion in what is supposed to be a neutral civil service should not depend on mastering ideological, or apparently partisan, documents. Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion. On 14 December 2011 10:26, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am quite afraid to engage, as like majority of the population and politicians, I am yet to read up on Vision 2030 and its many pillars (though civil servants are required to have knowledge of it before promotion). However , I am keen on a few issues, and not sure how Vision 2030 touches on them
- Ease of doing business - almost 50 years since independence, government and especially local government are biggest hindrances when it comes to doing business. Are there plans to make it easy to start a business, like even make it free (free licenses) and guarantee site security (for small kiosks, like allocated areas) with the aim that the business will be taxed later on . Free licensing with penalties for those without means we have an idea of number of businesses, which we can tax after 1 year and so on. More businesses means more tax and more employment. - Agriculture - our agriculture is still primitive, and for all intents we may still be using stone age tools. How do we move to mass production and economies of scale, mechanize agriculture for small scale holders? - Research & manufacturing - we do almost 0 research in this country, meaning we import what is often referred to as "superior technology" from Europe (Germany) and other countries. Why not have universities especially tackle the issue of processing agricultural produce. We also need agricultural produce processing industries to serve our hinterland. Kenya is a small agricultural nation compared to Tanzania, Uganda, South Sudan which have more arable land (we can outdo them if we take irrigation seriously) - Security - there is virtually no security in this country, seeing that a gang can comfortably set up a toll point on the countries most modern highway (Thika road) and "tax" every motorist Kshs 1,000 , unperturbed. The scenario is repeated across the country where it becomes almost impossible to conduct any activity past dusk.
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Waweru, Thanks for your comments. To conclude that Vision 2030 is "fairly ideological" is misguided. Vision 2030 was launched in June 2008 by the Grand Coalition Government after extensive deliberations by the three key coalition partners. Indeed one of the great benefits of the Grand Coalition Government is that it allowed us to launch a long term national development plan absent an official opposition which ensured wide-ranging political consensus. Going forward, it is important we secure this for posterity hence the determination to take Vision 2030 to parliament for official sanction by the people's representatives. As far as public servants go, they serve the government of the day, currently the Grand Coalition Government and it's policies. When a new government come in, they will also expect public servants to implement their policies. Regards, Mugo <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/> logo.jpg Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: mugo@vision2030.go.ke www.vision2030.go.ke From: kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Daniel Waweru Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:29 PM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) If it is true that promotion of civil servants depends on reading Vision 2030, then that strikes me as quite illiberal. Vision 2030 is a fairly ideological document, as well as one far more closely identified with one of the coalition partners than with the other. Promotion in what is supposed to be a neutral civil service should not depend on mastering ideological, or apparently partisan, documents. Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion. On 14 December 2011 10:26, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: I am quite afraid to engage, as like majority of the population and politicians, I am yet to read up on Vision 2030 and its many pillars (though civil servants are required to have knowledge of it before promotion). However , I am keen on a few issues, and not sure how Vision 2030 touches on them * Ease of doing business - almost 50 years since independence, government and especially local government are biggest hindrances when it comes to doing business. Are there plans to make it easy to start a business, like even make it free (free licenses) and guarantee site security (for small kiosks, like allocated areas) with the aim that the business will be taxed later on . Free licensing with penalties for those without means we have an idea of number of businesses, which we can tax after 1 year and so on. More businesses means more tax and more employment. * Agriculture - our agriculture is still primitive, and for all intents we may still be using stone age tools. How do we move to mass production and economies of scale, mechanize agriculture for small scale holders? * Research & manufacturing - we do almost 0 research in this country, meaning we import what is often referred to as "superior technology" from Europe (Germany) and other countries. Why not have universities especially tackle the issue of processing agricultural produce. We also need agricultural produce processing industries to serve our hinterland. Kenya is a small agricultural nation compared to Tanzania, Uganda, South Sudan which have more arable land (we can outdo them if we take irrigation seriously) * Security - there is virtually no security in this country, seeing that a gang can comfortably set up a toll point on the countries most modern highway (Thika road) and "tax" every motorist Kshs 1,000 , unperturbed. The scenario is repeated across the country where it becomes almost impossible to conduct any activity past dusk. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/daniel.waweru%40gmail.c om The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
Waweru,
Thanks for your comments. To conclude that Vision 2030 is “fairly ideological” is misguided. Vision 2030 was launched in June 2008 by the Grand Coalition Government after extensive deliberations by the three key coalition partners. Indeed one of the great benefits of the Grand Coalition Government is that it allowed us to launch a long term national development
Is vision 2030 a legal document ,is it binding? If 2017 a new regime comes in and decides this is not our vision what happens to all the flagship projects that are pending? On Tuesday, December 20, 2011, Mugo Kibati <mugo@vision2030.go.ke> wrote: plan absent an official opposition which ensured wide-ranging political consensus. Going forward, it is important we secure this for posterity hence the determination to take Vision 2030 to parliament for official sanction by the people’s representatives.
As far as public servants go, they serve the government of the day,
currently the Grand Coalition Government and it’s policies. When a new government come in, they will also expect public servants to implement their policies.
Regards,
Mugo
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If it is true that promotion of civil servants depends on reading Vision
2030, then that strikes me as quite illiberal. Vision 2030 is a fairly ideological document, as well as one far more closely identified with one of the coalition partners than with the other. Promotion in what is supposed to be a neutral civil service should not depend on mastering ideological, or apparently partisan, documents.
Daniel Waweru www.kenyaimagine.com Art and analysis; debate and opinion.
On 14 December 2011 10:26, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am quite afraid to engage, as like majority of the population and
politicians, I am yet to read up on Vision 2030 and its many pillars (though civil servants are required to have knowledge of it before promotion). However , I am keen on a few issues, and not sure how Vision 2030 touches on them
Ease of doing business - almost 50 years since independence, government
and especially local government are biggest hindrances when it comes to doing business. Are there plans to make it easy to start a business, like even make it free (free licenses) and guarantee site security (for small kiosks, like allocated areas) with the aim that the business will be taxed later on . Free licensing with penalties for those without means we have an idea of number of businesses, which we can tax after 1 year and so on. More businesses means more tax and more employment.
Agriculture - our agriculture is still primitive, and for all intents we may still be using stone age tools. How do we move to mass production and economies of scale, mechanize agriculture for small scale holders? Research & manufacturing - we do almost 0 research in this country, meaning we import what is often referred to as "superior technology" from Europe (Germany) and other countries. Why not have universities especially tackle the issue of processing agricultural produce. We also need agricultural produce processing industries to serve our hinterland. Kenya is a small agricultural nation compared to Tanzania, Uganda, South Sudan which have more arable land (we can outdo them if we take irrigation seriously) Security - there is virtually no security in this country, seeing that a gang can comfortably set up a toll point on the countries most modern highway (Thika road) and "tax" every motorist Kshs 1,000 , unperturbed. The scenario is repeated across the country where it becomes almost impossible to conduct any activity past dusk.
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Dear Dennis, Thanks for your questions and please see my responses interspersed in your email below. I hope they go some way into assuaging your concerns. Regards, Mugo <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/> logo.jpg Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: mugo@vision2030.go.ke www.vision2030.go.ke From: kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Dennis Kioko Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:27 PM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) I am quite afraid to engage, as like majority of the population and politicians, I am yet to read up on Vision 2030 and its many pillars (though civil servants are required to have knowledge of it before promotion). However , I am keen on a few issues, and not sure how Vision 2030 touches on them * Ease of doing business - almost 50 years since independence, government and especially local government are biggest hindrances when it comes to doing business. Are there plans to make it easy to start a business, like even make it free (free licenses) and guarantee site security (for small kiosks, like allocated areas) with the aim that the business will be taxed later on . Free licensing with penalties for those without means we have an idea of number of businesses, which we can tax after 1 year and so on. More businesses means more tax and more employment. . You are very right. Ease of doing business in Kenya has been impeded by government silos and corrupt practices. The Vision 2030 Delivery Board has recognized this challenge and is intervening with all the leading agencies to expeditiously install a One-Stop-Shop under the leadership of Kenya Investment Authority. Indeed that has been the subject of the last 2 board meetings and will be a focus of ours in January. Additionally, we are working with the Ministry of Finance to look at the business regulatory environment with a view to simplifying and modernizing it. This will involve legal reforms such as the proposed new Company' Act (now in its third reading in parliament), the Partnership and Liability Act, administrative reforms which include eliminating unnecessary processes and procedures at the company registry, KRA, etc, and also e-government at the all registries, judiciary, the port and airport, etc. We will keep you posted on progress. * Agriculture - our agriculture is still primitive, and for all intents we may still be using stone age tools. How do we move to mass production and economies of scale, mechanize agriculture for small scale holders . Agriculture - Very well said. Modern large scale farming for food security and export is a major priority in the agriculture sector. Setting stage for this undertaking has been the Agricultural sector reform bill which has been drafted in line with the new constitution, streamlining the numerous agricultural acts into just 3. In addition to streamlining regulation, the bill will also set up industry development funds and dispute resolutions mechanisms. We are also working on modernized large scale irrigation and the toughest part, introducing entrepreneurial (as opposed to subsistence) farming. * Research & manufacturing - we do almost 0 research in this country, meaning we import what is often referred to as "superior technology" from Europe (Germany) and other countries. Why not have universities especially tackle the issue of processing agricultural produce. We also need agricultural produce processing industries to serve our hinterland. Kenya is a small agricultural nation compared to Tanzania, Uganda, South Sudan which have more arable land (we can outdo them if we take irrigation seriously) . Research and Manufacturing - This is industrialization - a major component of Vision 2030. The immediate focus is to harness international commerce opportunities by establishing processing parks in five strategic locations with rich raw materials hinterlands. A concept note has been developed for five SME parks. Upcoming projects include a pilot metal SME park in Nairobi, a pilot agro-processing SME park in Eldoret and Kisumu - for vegetables, fruits, fish, meat, horticulture; and a meat processing and tannery SME park in Nakuru. An SME park in Mombasa is to target processing of food, juices and vegetable oil. Additionally, the most successful five (5) Industrial Constituency Development Centers (ICDCs) shall be transformed to SME parks. Eventually, we will need to have an SME park project for each of the 47 counties during the 2nd MTP. Additionally, an industrialization policy is being developed which looks at the various resources required - human, energy, infrastructure and aligns policy across various sectors towards ensuring increased value addition and processing within Kenya. * Security - there is virtually no security in this country, seeing that a gang can comfortably set up a toll point on the countries most modern highway (Thika road) and "tax" every motorist Kshs 1,000 , unperturbed. The scenario is repeated across the country where it becomes almost impossible to conduct any activity past dusk. * The question of security is a vexing one that has eluded us for decades. We must now all collectively focus on the whole gamut of jurisprudential reforms under the new constitution. These reforms are far reaching and if well executed should address the security problem. What am I talking about? Judicial reforms under Chief Justice Willy Mutunga - a more transparent, more efficient, better resourced, quicker and automated judiciary (the numbers and compensation of judges and magistrates at every level are being increased dramatically. Police reforms are underway with the civilian oversight body about to be put in place and a newly structures police service under a new inspector general in the next 2 months. The Directorate of Public Prosecution is also undergoing tremendous reforms. All these reforms combined are critically important and we should all focus on them and ensure pressure to have them properly brought to completion is constantly brought to bear.
Mr. Kibati, Much appreciation to the responses provided more specifically on adult education. I understand the efforts made by the government and other non-state actors cannot go unnoticed. However, in order to demystify the understanding of adult education, there is a need to harmonize it as part of our blue prints so as to bring back its relevance since the gradual decline in the 1980s. The Kenya National Adult Literacy Survey, pointd out that about 7.8 millions Kenyans are illiterate, and there are various avenues which have been identified to improve the sub-sector. My only fear is how we shall rate ourselves in 2015 at the end of UN Decade on Education for All. Asante sana. Regards, Solomon On 18/12/2011, Mugo Kibati <mugo@vision2030.go.ke> wrote:
Dear Dennis,
Thanks for your questions and please see my responses interspersed in your email below. I hope they go some way into assuaging your concerns.
Regards,
Mugo
<http://www.vision2030.go.ke/> logo.jpg
Mugo Kibati
Director General
Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat
KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill
PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi
Email: mugo@vision2030.go.ke
www.vision2030.go.ke
From: kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Dennis Kioko Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:27 PM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2)
I am quite afraid to engage, as like majority of the population and politicians, I am yet to read up on Vision 2030 and its many pillars (though civil servants are required to have knowledge of it before promotion). However , I am keen on a few issues, and not sure how Vision 2030 touches on them
* Ease of doing business - almost 50 years since independence, government and especially local government are biggest hindrances when it comes to doing business. Are there plans to make it easy to start a business, like even make it free (free licenses) and guarantee site security (for small kiosks, like allocated areas) with the aim that the business will be taxed later on . Free licensing with penalties for those without means we have an idea of number of businesses, which we can tax after 1 year and so on. More businesses means more tax and more employment.
. You are very right. Ease of doing business in Kenya has been impeded by government silos and corrupt practices. The Vision 2030 Delivery Board has recognized this challenge and is intervening with all the leading agencies to expeditiously install a One-Stop-Shop under the leadership of Kenya Investment Authority. Indeed that has been the subject of the last 2 board meetings and will be a focus of ours in January. Additionally, we are working with the Ministry of Finance to look at the business regulatory environment with a view to simplifying and modernizing it. This will involve legal reforms such as the proposed new Company' Act (now in its third reading in parliament), the Partnership and Liability Act, administrative reforms which include eliminating unnecessary processes and procedures at the company registry, KRA, etc, and also e-government at the all registries, judiciary, the port and airport, etc. We will keep you posted on progress.
* Agriculture - our agriculture is still primitive, and for all intents we may still be using stone age tools. How do we move to mass production and economies of scale, mechanize agriculture for small scale holders
. Agriculture - Very well said. Modern large scale farming for food security and export is a major priority in the agriculture sector. Setting stage for this undertaking has been the Agricultural sector reform bill which has been drafted in line with the new constitution, streamlining the numerous agricultural acts into just 3. In addition to streamlining regulation, the bill will also set up industry development funds and dispute resolutions mechanisms. We are also working on modernized large scale irrigation and the toughest part, introducing entrepreneurial (as opposed to subsistence) farming.
* Research & manufacturing - we do almost 0 research in this country, meaning we import what is often referred to as "superior technology" from Europe (Germany) and other countries. Why not have universities especially tackle the issue of processing agricultural produce. We also need agricultural produce processing industries to serve our hinterland. Kenya is a small agricultural nation compared to Tanzania, Uganda, South Sudan which have more arable land (we can outdo them if we take irrigation seriously)
. Research and Manufacturing - This is industrialization - a major component of Vision 2030. The immediate focus is to harness international commerce opportunities by establishing processing parks in five strategic locations with rich raw materials hinterlands. A concept note has been developed for five SME parks. Upcoming projects include a pilot metal SME park in Nairobi, a pilot agro-processing SME park in Eldoret and Kisumu - for vegetables, fruits, fish, meat, horticulture; and a meat processing and tannery SME park in Nakuru. An SME park in Mombasa is to target processing of food, juices and vegetable oil. Additionally, the most successful five (5) Industrial Constituency Development Centers (ICDCs) shall be transformed to SME parks. Eventually, we will need to have an SME park project for each of the 47 counties during the 2nd MTP. Additionally, an industrialization policy is being developed which looks at the various resources required - human, energy, infrastructure and aligns policy across various sectors towards ensuring increased value addition and processing within Kenya.
* Security - there is virtually no security in this country, seeing that a gang can comfortably set up a toll point on the countries most modern highway (Thika road) and "tax" every motorist Kshs 1,000 , unperturbed. The scenario is repeated across the country where it becomes almost impossible to conduct any activity past dusk.
* The question of security is a vexing one that has eluded us for decades. We must now all collectively focus on the whole gamut of jurisprudential reforms under the new constitution. These reforms are far reaching and if well executed should address the security problem. What am I talking about? Judicial reforms under Chief Justice Willy Mutunga - a more transparent, more efficient, better resourced, quicker and automated judiciary (the numbers and compensation of judges and magistrates at every level are being increased dramatically. Police reforms are underway with the civilian oversight body about to be put in place and a newly structures police service under a new inspector general in the next 2 months. The Directorate of Public Prosecution is also undergoing tremendous reforms. All these reforms combined are critically important and we should all focus on them and ensure pressure to have them properly brought to completion is constantly brought to bear.
Thanks a lot Mugo, for your responses. Looking forward to 2030 , especially with the infrastructure projects such as LAPSSET and the light rail project from Embakasi/Athi River
Dear Solomon, Thank for your comments and suggestions. Although adult education is not one of the V2030 Flagship Projects, it is well covered under the Medium Term Plan (MTP) 2008-12. Indeed the last Kenya National Adult Literacy Survey, indicates that 61.5% of adult population has attained minimum literacy level. Specifically, 29.9% of youth aged 15-19 years and 49% of adults aged 45-49 years are illiterate and reflecting high regional and gender disparities. So it is a major issue of concern. This is why (although not a flagship project) one of the MTP projects is on Adult Basic Education and aims to achieve 80% adult literacy by 2012. The challenge with flagship projects identification is that we do actually have to prioritize and sometimes omit crucial programmes from the flagship level (while ensuring they are still being undertaken). If we didn't do that we would have over a thousand flagship projects and hence spread very scarce resources and attention very thin! In the case of education and Vision 2030, we had to focus on primary, secondary school and university education flagships. However, your suggestions can certainly be included in the development of the next MTP. Mugo <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/> logo.jpg Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: mugo@vision2030.go.ke www.vision2030.go.ke -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Solomon Mburu Kamau Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:08 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Thank you Bw. Kibati for your responses. Thank you Grace too, for this forum. To Bw. Kibati, I'm looking at the abridged version of Vision 2030, Chapter 5 "The Social Strategy: Investing in the People of Kenya", which points out various sectors that will be invested in, in the realization of the Vision. My interest here is the Education and Training, specifically on the flagship projects for this sector. Reading through, I notice that the projects pointed out are directed towards primary and secondary education. Beyond there, it remains in the oblivion. However, my major concern is the adult education sub-sector. About a year ago, the Directorate of Adult and Continuing Education hired a paltry 880 adult education teachers against a shortfall of about 20,000. Since they were not trained or inducted in handling adult learners, the number of adult illiterates has not decreased much. The Vision 2030, in my view, focusses on Basic Primary and Secondary Education. Where are the adult learners ( youth and adults) fitting? My flagship projects for the sub-sector would be: 1. Establish one adult education centre of excellence per sub-location by 2012 2. Equip existing adult education centres with computers, books and electronic gadgets (kindles for example) by 2012 3. Finalize and implement the National Qualification Framework by 2012 4. Hire qualified personnel to handle adult learners by 2012. All these can be done through PPP model. The reason as to why I'm generally concerned with this population is two-fold. Adult learners are the voters in Kenya, thus in a position to determine the course Kenya will take in the next few years. If they are not informed, then they end up making wrong social, political and economic decisions. Secondly, in most of the documents that are reform-oriented, specifically Education reforms, adult education has been neglected. In the Task Force on Aligning Education Reforms to the New Constitution, adult Education has been put on the periphery - it's only mentioned a few times, while much emphasis is on Primary and Secondary Education. Regards Solomon On 14/12/2011, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
My queries are below:
When it comes to Economics, we are lagging behind. We had a projected
growth rate of 10%, however the World Bank estimates that we will (on the
upside) have economic growth of 5% in 2012.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/AFRICAEXT/KENYAEXTN/0,,co ntentMDK:22600594~pagePK:141137~piPK:141127~theSitePK:356509,00.html,
not sure how the 2030 secretariat is handling this.
On the economic pillar, I have some issues with the BPO sector. As we
approach 2030, our competitiveness will depend on either a weaker currency
or somehow reducing our cost of labour (China currently artificially
prevents it's currency from weakening to remain competitive in exports).
How do we ensure that our growth does not kill the very sector we are
trying to grow?
We also need to ingrain a culture of eating our own dogfood, growing Kenya
as a market for Kenyan produce (e.g. What we have done with tea). How can
we spur production of GSM Infrastructure, have policy that supports local
software as opposed to imported software (use of open platforms would save
this country a few billion USD every year) e.g. It may cost more to
maintain an Open Source software platform (e.g. Ubuntu), but it actually is
cheaper than buying MS (basically, the money is kept in our local
ecosystem, creating more employment for our IT graduates who maintain the
system anyway), Belgium has actually implemented the model... We also have
a model being piloted in the EU, the Living Labs concept,
http://www.openlivinglabs.eu/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_lab,
which can be used for community level innovation.
The latest report by the ICT Board estimates total ICT expenditure at 700M.
If we can prevent the outflow of a lot of this spend (in open information
systems that have equivalent standards) we have the double edged sword of
perfecting our developer ecosystem whilst saving the country in general a
fortune...
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Grace Githaiga
<ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Thanks Bwana Kibati for your well articulated responses. As you can see,
your responses have raised further queries on energy from Brainiac and we
look forward to your responses.
A great point you raise on the fact that changing our value systems must
be a national collective effort if we are going to have social
transformation. We can have all the infrastructure but if we do not have
values, then there might not be much meaning to Kenyans.
Barrack, Solomon and Harry, you now have it from Mr. Kibati.
Harry, I do hope that you will take on the challenge to present the Vision
2030 secretariat with a concept on energy distribution. This will be a
great outcome of this debate and I am sure Brainiac and other listers may
want to join you.
Barrack, i think this is your opportunity to influence. Is it possible to
suggest how Vision 2030 can influence national values using ICTs?
Tusingojee serikali...:)
As we reflect on the responses, *we also move on to Day 2. *
**
*The focus is on the three pillars of Vision 2030. The vision is
grounded on three piilars and we will look at the first one which is the
economic pillar.*
The Economic pillar seeks to improve the prosperity of all regions of the
country and all Kenyans by achieving Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth
rate by 2012. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars
The Medium Term Plan (2008-2012 identifies six targetted priority sectors
namely tourism, agriculture, wholesale and retail trade, manufacturing, IT
enabled services and financial services.
Over to you listers. Please feel free to still raise concerns on the
vision or on Mr. Kibati's responses too.
Sasa basi wakilisheni!.
Rgds
Grace
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Thanks Harry, Please see my comment in [brackets] below once again interspersed in your email. Regards, Mugo <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/> logo.jpg Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: mugo@vision2030.go.ke www.vision2030.go.ke From: kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:40 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Grace. Na hii list imenyamazeko saana..! Ladies and gentlemen, we now have Mr. Kibati with us. Could I please urge all to engage with him.. Mr. Kibati, many thanks again for your time, and for the candid response - especially on the benchmarks. Honestly speaking, a lot of the flagship projects being rolled out within the Vision2030 epitomize some "uncharted" territory for us. However I believe let's not fear to be bold since, there are a lot of successful case study stories that we can continue to learn from, especially those of the South-East "Asian Tigers", as they are popularly called- where they have failed and where they have succeeded. As we are constantly reminded, we purportedly at some point in the 60's or 70's were on the same footing, if not ahead of some of them before they overtook us at some lightning speed. Let's quickly work to catch up. [Hear hear. I couldn't agree more] But again it would be really important to look inwards as Team Vision 2030 ( I really would love to hear from you on this). We have had a solid 48 years ( we just celebrated an anniversary). What poignant lessons do we draw..? Why have we failed to make most of the opportunities we had? How do we address this, and include it in the vision2030.? I suppose this would be the best point to look at ourselves, and consider the reasons why others succeeded and we failed - badly. [Forgive me for saying this but we did not have long term visioning to focus our thinking, strategizing and policies. We also "wasted" our dictatorships with a narrow focus on retention of power. When the dictatorships ended, we moved on to a narrow focus on politics for its own sake without attaching clear developmental leadership criteria to our political debating. Vision 2030 tries to address this in the political pillar which calls for issue-based, results-oriented, people-centred democratic leadership over and above accountability and transparency (the latter two we are finally getting right, it's the first three we must now address).] I'm glad to note that again as you've mentioned, there is inbuilt flexibility to refine models, targets ,goals/objectives etc as this ship sails on since this is very important, to incorporate new ideas/realities on the ground. [a dynamic vision is absolutely necessary] On "Energy distribution", if you'd allow me to go back to this, you've mentioned about "unbundling" it. I might not be certain what this means, but does it indicate stripping away monopoly, or are there various distribution packages that will need to be decentralized.? Then on the Rural electrification programme, - I will check this out, however does it mean it's now an independent entity that does its own electricity distribution to consumers..? If this is a success model, then let's liberalize the entire sector.. [Unbundling refers to the disaggregation of generation (KENGEN), transmission (KETRACO) and distribution (KPLC). KPLC previously did everything and unbundling had to happen first. Further to this, GDC (Geothermal Development Corporation) was set up to focus on geothermal energy generation and attract private sector investment that way. REA (Rural Electrification Energy) was set up to connect rural areas but the distributor of power remains KPLC. Further liberalization can now be contemplated but with extreme caution learning from the experiences of other jurisdictions as per my last email.] Grace, it's quite an honor on the concept paper.. I'd need some experts on the list, in this area to come on board. But I will take up the challenge.. [Looking forward] Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Grace Githaiga Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:01 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Thanks Bwana Kibati for your well articulated responses. As you can see, your responses have raised further queries on energy from Brainiac and we look forward to your responses. A great point you raise on the fact that changing our value systems must be a national collective effort if we are going to have social transformation. We can have all the infrastructure but if we do not have values, then there might not be much meaning to Kenyans. Barrack, Solomon and Harry, you now have it from Mr. Kibati. Harry, I do hope that you will take on the challenge to present the Vision 2030 secretariat with a concept on energy distribution. This will be a great outcome of this debate and I am sure Brainiac and other listers may want to join you. Barrack, i think this is your opportunity to influence. Is it possible to suggest how Vision 2030 can influence national values using ICTs? Tusingojee serikali...:) As we reflect on the responses, we also move on to Day 2. The focus is on the three pillars of Vision 2030. The vision is grounded on three piilars and we will look at the first one which is the economic pillar. The Economic pillar seeks to improve the prosperity of all regions of the country and all Kenyans by achieving Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth rate by 2012. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars The Medium Term Plan (2008-2012 identifies six targetted priority sectors namely tourism, agriculture, wholesale and retail trade, manufacturing, IT enabled services and financial services. Over to you listers. Please feel free to still raise concerns on the vision or on Mr. Kibati's responses too. Sasa basi wakilisheni!. Rgds Grace ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!
Dear Mr.Kibati, Many thanks for your well articulated responses. Now that we all acknowledge how much opportunity we've lost for possibly up to a third of a century that's just gone by, I'd suggest as much as possible we work to put safeguards in place to insulate projected vision frameworks from being derailed. This is particularly necessary, because we have had numerous "visions" before, that fell flat.. Do we already have these safeguards in place..? My first impression is that this is very much a project full embraced by our current Government as a steward. How do we ensure successful governments carry on the vision..? Or do we just delink completely, and have this institutionalized and steered by technocrats instead ( Limited Govt involvement), ..? I recall you mentioning in an interview yesterday that 70-80% implementation of this vision lies squarely in the hands of the private sector. To insure these real-time investors in such a long-term vision/dream as this, we may need to relook at the structural framework that ensures it remains sustainable and on course with an inbuilt capacity to outlive successive administrations till we achieve our stated goals and more. Last but not least, could we have at the heart of Vision 2030 the "Sleeping Economic giant" - that is the African continent..? Let's look East, West, North and South - continentally, and position ourselves strategically to become the African powerhouse in every sphere. Thanks, Harry From: Mugo Kibati [mailto:mugo@vision2030.go.ke] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:12 PM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: RE: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Thanks Harry, Please see my comment in [brackets] below once again interspersed in your email. Regards, Mugo <http://www.vision2030.go.ke/> logo.jpg Mugo Kibati Director General Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat KUSCCO Centre, 2nd Floor - Upper Hill PO Box 52301 - 00200, Nairobi Email: mugo@vision2030.go.ke www.vision2030.go.ke From: kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mugo=vision2030.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:40 AM To: Mugo Kibati Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Grace. Na hii list imenyamazeko saana..! Ladies and gentlemen, we now have Mr. Kibati with us. Could I please urge all to engage with him.. Mr. Kibati, many thanks again for your time, and for the candid response - especially on the benchmarks. Honestly speaking, a lot of the flagship projects being rolled out within the Vision2030 epitomize some "uncharted" territory for us. However I believe let's not fear to be bold since, there are a lot of successful case study stories that we can continue to learn from, especially those of the South-East "Asian Tigers", as they are popularly called- where they have failed and where they have succeeded. As we are constantly reminded, we purportedly at some point in the 60's or 70's were on the same footing, if not ahead of some of them before they overtook us at some lightning speed. Let's quickly work to catch up. [Hear hear. I couldn't agree more] But again it would be really important to look inwards as Team Vision 2030 ( I really would love to hear from you on this). We have had a solid 48 years ( we just celebrated an anniversary). What poignant lessons do we draw..? Why have we failed to make most of the opportunities we had? How do we address this, and include it in the vision2030.? I suppose this would be the best point to look at ourselves, and consider the reasons why others succeeded and we failed - badly. [Forgive me for saying this but we did not have long term visioning to focus our thinking, strategizing and policies. We also "wasted" our dictatorships with a narrow focus on retention of power. When the dictatorships ended, we moved on to a narrow focus on politics for its own sake without attaching clear developmental leadership criteria to our political debating. Vision 2030 tries to address this in the political pillar which calls for issue-based, results-oriented, people-centred democratic leadership over and above accountability and transparency (the latter two we are finally getting right, it's the first three we must now address).] I'm glad to note that again as you've mentioned, there is inbuilt flexibility to refine models, targets ,goals/objectives etc as this ship sails on since this is very important, to incorporate new ideas/realities on the ground. [a dynamic vision is absolutely necessary] On "Energy distribution", if you'd allow me to go back to this, you've mentioned about "unbundling" it. I might not be certain what this means, but does it indicate stripping away monopoly, or are there various distribution packages that will need to be decentralized.? Then on the Rural electrification programme, - I will check this out, however does it mean it's now an independent entity that does its own electricity distribution to consumers..? If this is a success model, then let's liberalize the entire sector.. [Unbundling refers to the disaggregation of generation (KENGEN), transmission (KETRACO) and distribution (KPLC). KPLC previously did everything and unbundling had to happen first. Further to this, GDC (Geothermal Development Corporation) was set up to focus on geothermal energy generation and attract private sector investment that way. REA (Rural Electrification Energy) was set up to connect rural areas but the distributor of power remains KPLC. Further liberalization can now be contemplated but with extreme caution learning from the experiences of other jurisdictions as per my last email.] Grace, it's quite an honor on the concept paper.. I'd need some experts on the list, in this area to come on board. But I will take up the challenge.. [Looking forward] Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Grace Githaiga Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:01 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] Vision 2030: ICT and Other Sectors Converged (Day 2) Thanks Bwana Kibati for your well articulated responses. As you can see, your responses have raised further queries on energy from Brainiac and we look forward to your responses. A great point you raise on the fact that changing our value systems must be a national collective effort if we are going to have social transformation. We can have all the infrastructure but if we do not have values, then there might not be much meaning to Kenyans. Barrack, Solomon and Harry, you now have it from Mr. Kibati. Harry, I do hope that you will take on the challenge to present the Vision 2030 secretariat with a concept on energy distribution. This will be a great outcome of this debate and I am sure Brainiac and other listers may want to join you. Barrack, i think this is your opportunity to influence. Is it possible to suggest how Vision 2030 can influence national values using ICTs? Tusingojee serikali...:) As we reflect on the responses, we also move on to Day 2. The focus is on the three pillars of Vision 2030. The vision is grounded on three piilars and we will look at the first one which is the economic pillar. The Economic pillar seeks to improve the prosperity of all regions of the country and all Kenyans by achieving Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth rate by 2012. http://www.vision2030.go.ke/index.php/pillars The Medium Term Plan (2008-2012 identifies six targetted priority sectors namely tourism, agriculture, wholesale and retail trade, manufacturing, IT enabled services and financial services. Over to you listers. Please feel free to still raise concerns on the vision or on Mr. Kibati's responses too. Sasa basi wakilisheni!. Rgds Grace ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!
participants (9)
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Barrack Otieno -
Daniel Waweru -
Dennis Kioko -
Grace Githaiga -
Harry Delano -
Joseph McDonald -
Mugo Kibati -
Phares Kariuki -
Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau