Companies registry website cost 62 million, cant even search….
GG, I have read the article and lost network, may i suggest that we do a stock take of major ICT undertakings on this list to see whether they have achieved their purpose, it might be better to stop digging while the surface is still visible. Best Regards On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
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Without mincing words, I would like to see a comprehensive audit of the Kenya ICT Board and what it has actually achieved especially with funds loaned to us from World Bank (IDA) which tax payers are meant to repay. There have been too many complaints about favouritism and opaqueness in giving of grants and perhaps it is time that rather than give grants the aardees get "financing" which they have to pay back once their business picks and the ICT Board guarantees the loans so that it is ultimately responsible. THis Board needs clearly spelt out mandates and its positions must be competitively filled from the top. Instead of the CEO, his deputy and aides globe trotting apparently to market Kenya they need to bring techpreneurs from Silicon Valley to Ke nya. There is too much money wasted on these foreign trips yet it takes an eternity to award a grant equivalent to one return ticket to local entrepreneurs. Something needs to be done! On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
GG,
I have read the article and lost network, may i suggest that we do a stock take of major ICT undertakings on this list to see whether they have achieved their purpose, it might be better to stop digging while the surface is still visible.
Best Regards
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James/ listers We had a forum yesterday at the Nailab on Bishop Magua Buidling on the grant award process. We had used twitter and Facebook to invite comments and an open forum on this process. We had some successful grant applicants and others who were not so successful in attendance. We took in many views from those present, many who were quite vocal about how we might improve the process. The critical suggestions were about how to improve the grant process. We detailed the grant process as we have always done. Grant winners shared their experiences. We recorded the entire session. A few months ago when we took the 150 odd shortlisted candidates through training at Strathmore Business School in preparation for the grant. Prior to that we had visited Kakamega, Mombasa, Nairobi, Garrissa Nakuru where more views were sought. We acknowledge that it is while it is not a perfect process, it is dome with the highest level of professionalism. Website www.tandaa.co.ke to see update. On bringing in investors, this continuous to be part of the mandate we have. just a few weeks ago, we hosted a visiting investor delegation from Singapore, www.ict.go.ke I host visitors often at our offices every week. Most of them are usually clear what they are looking for and have done their homework and shorlist before they fly here. We work with the hub communities and the upcoming KITOS to channel this interest. And we have partnered in many local investor events. Indeed during the grant award process, one of our keynote guests was IBM's head of venture capital who toured the tandaa grants exhibition prior to the awards ceremony. Right now, we have just given out 100millioms KShs in grant commitments. This money is not given in straight upfront cash but is instead disbursed against pre agreed milestones. See website for process www.tandaa.co.ke and www.ict.go.ke. There was always bound to be some murmuring around this. We remain committed to keeping stakeholders appraised fully. Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board. On Friday, May 11, 2012, James Mbugua wrote:
Without mincing words, I would like to see a comprehensive audit of the Kenya ICT Board and what it has actually achieved especially with funds loaned to us from World Bank (IDA) which tax payers are meant to repay.
There have been too many complaints about favouritism and opaqueness in giving of grants and perhaps it is time that rather than give grants the aardees get "financing" which they have to pay back once their business picks and the ICT Board guarantees the loans so that it is ultimately responsible.
THis Board needs clearly spelt out mandates and its positions must be competitively filled from the top.
Instead of the CEO, his deputy and aides globe trotting apparently to market Kenya they need to bring techpreneurs from Silicon Valley to Ke nya. There is too much money wasted on these foreign trips yet it takes an eternity to award a grant equivalent to one return ticket to local entrepreneurs.
Something needs to be done!
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
GG,
I have read the article and lost network, may i suggest that we do a stock take of major ICT undertakings on this list to see whether they have achieved their purpose, it might be better to stop digging while the surface is still visible.
Best Regards
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In the meantime, one of the Kenyan developers offered to do it free of charge but he was ignored! Please note this is one of the top developers around with a good number of achievements from what I have heard. Even with all the I.T talk going on in Kenya, I'm beginning to think no one takes these things seriously! Picture this, a normal name search takes 1 - 60 days depending on your level of corruption. Assuming you are the most corrupt and you manage to do it in a day, can you even compare that with doing that search from the comfort of your home in a matter of seconds? So why isn't that happening yet? Why are we spending Ksh.62 M on something that would cost a few thousands? When did we become this 'rich' ? On 11 May 2012 18:15, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
GG,
I have read the article and lost network, may i suggest that we do a stock take of major ICT undertakings on this list to see whether they have achieved their purpose, it might be better to stop digging while the surface is still visible.
Best Regards
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How would under the surface obstruction of transparency promoting IT projects be proven? Serious question (to which there should be real answers)... How would we know which public officers cooperated in the project, and which ones opposed it by not cooperating? On May 11, 2012 6:07 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
GG,
I have read the article and lost network, may i suggest that we do a stock take of major ICT undertakings on this list to see whether they have achieved their purpose, it might be better to stop digging while the surface is still visible.
Best Regards
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Listers Please visit the Kenya ICT Board website and the World Bank's website detailing the projects under procurement to get a better understanding. We promote this heavily via social networks to get those who are not on this list to be aware. http://www.devex.com/en/projects/transparency-communications-infrastructure-... . The details of the recently tendered ebusiness transactions project. Also the details of the above project for the http://www.devex.com/en/projects/kenya-transparency-and-communications-infra... Once this has been reviewed you have a stronger basis for dialogue. Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board On Friday, May 11, 2012, S.M. Muraya wrote:
How would under the surface obstruction of transparency promoting IT projects be proven?
Serious question (to which there should be real answers)...
How would we know which public officers cooperated in the project, and which ones opposed it by not cooperating? On May 11, 2012 6:07 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'otieno.barrack@gmail.com');>> wrote:
GG,
I have read the article and lost network, may i suggest that we do a stock take of major ICT undertakings on this list to see whether they have achieved their purpose, it might be better to stop digging while the surface is still visible.
Best Regards
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Paul Thanks for the response. however, it does seem to me then that you need to hire a corporate communications person because the message seems not to be coming out especially to as crucial a public as this ICT list. Secondly, you are taking a beating from bloggers who you also need to have a strategy to deal with. Essentially, it comes down to communication because a lot of these things come out if media people feel they are not getting proper information. Grievances should be dealt with promptly and satisfactorily. Consider getting yourself a Comms person. On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
Listers
Please visit the Kenya ICT Board website and the World Bank's website detailing the projects under procurement to get a better understanding. We promote this heavily via social networks to get those who are not on this list to be aware.
http://www.devex.com/en/projects/transparency-communications-infrastructure-.... The details of the recently tendered ebusiness transactions project.
Also the details of the above project for the http://www.devex.com/en/projects/kenya-transparency-and-communications-infra...
Once this has been reviewed you have a stronger basis for dialogue.
Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board
On Friday, May 11, 2012, S.M. Muraya wrote:
How would under the surface obstruction of transparency promoting IT projects be proven?
Serious question (to which there should be real answers)...
How would we know which public officers cooperated in the project, and which ones opposed it by not cooperating?
On May 11, 2012 6:07 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
GG,
I have read the article and lost network, may i suggest that we do a stock take of major ICT undertakings on this list to see whether they have achieved their purpose, it might be better to stop digging while the surface is still visible.
Best Regards
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...
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James. We have a corporate communication team. Thanks. The challenge is not communication. The challenge is that in a twitter and Facebook world heresay Is very powerful. One thing I note is that the story originators never publish the clarifications they seek. The role of any CEO is to be accountable. The issues are important and taking a beating Is not a problem. If we have to get praise sometimes, we must accept criticism as well. Social Networks are powerful and they cannot be dealt with by simple corporate glossing over. People can make any sorts of comments. You can either ignore it all. Or choose to engage. We choose to engage. Lack of fact based reporting in blogging and social networking can undermine good goverance. Bloggers can create fear on the basis that it turns drives accountability. Some of them use it as a commercial tool to drive traffic to blogs that make money through advertising. No problem with that. Very exciting and the burden of proof is on the accused. Another model is you pose questions on a matter after digging through facts and ask for a response and have a debate with the view to inform. Very boring. On Monday, May 14, 2012, James Mbugua wrote:
Paul
Thanks for the response. however, it does seem to me then that you need to hire a corporate communications person because the message seems not to be coming out especially to as crucial a public as this ICT list.
Secondly, you are taking a beating from bloggers who you also need to have a strategy to deal with.
Essentially, it comes down to communication because a lot of these things come out if media people feel they are not getting proper information.
Grievances should be dealt with promptly and satisfactorily.
Consider getting yourself a Comms person.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
Listers
Please visit the Kenya ICT Board website and the World Bank's website detailing the projects under procurement to get a better understanding. We promote this heavily via social networks to get those who are not on this list to be aware.
details of the recently tendered ebusiness transactions project.
Also the details of the above project for the http://www.devex.com/en/projects/kenya-transparency-and-communications-infra...
Once this has been reviewed you have a stronger basis for dialogue.
Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board
On Friday, May 11, 2012, S.M. Muraya wrote:
How would under the surface obstruction of transparency promoting IT projects be proven?
Serious question (to which there should be real answers)...
How would we know which public officers cooperated in the project, and which ones opposed it by not cooperating?
On May 11, 2012 6:07 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
GG,
I have read the article and lost network, may i suggest that we do a stock take of major ICT undertakings on this list to see whether they
have
achieved their purpose, it might be better to stop digging while the surface is still visible.
Best Regards
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wrote:
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This is baffling to me. I'm not a tech person, so it's well possibly that I'm not tech literate enough, but I checked out the website ( http://www.attorney-general.go.ke/data/) and ... umm, does the 'company registry' actually do anything? Also, has the ownership of 3Mice changed or is there a conflict of interest? On 11 May 2012 01:08, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
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The search function on the tenders website doesn't work either. It's like putting out a great deal of information but making it only 'browseable' not searchable. Surely we have firms here that can deliver these projects on budget, on time and to specifications, don't we? Kind regards, Muchiri Nyaggah On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt < andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote:
This is baffling to me. I'm not a tech person, so it's well possibly that I'm not tech literate enough, but I checked out the website ( http://www.attorney-general.go.ke/data/) and ... umm, does the 'company registry' actually do anything?
Also, has the ownership of 3Mice changed or is there a conflict of interest?
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Listers/ Andrea The Company registry project in question refers to the work the Kenya ICT Board contracted out for the conversion of paper records into digital files. There is another process taking place now to create a system to search and display records. Eventually this will be linked to the website and SMS. The website existed prior to that and was cotracted out through a 2006 or 2007 tender by GJLOS program. Kenya ICT Board was not involved in the web development project. Regards Paul Kukubo Kenya ICT Board. On Friday, May 11, 2012, Andrea Bohnstedt wrote:
This is baffling to me. I'm not a tech person, so it's well possibly that I'm not tech literate enough, but I checked out the website ( http://www.attorney-general.go.ke/data/) and ... umm, does the 'company registry' actually do anything?
Also, has the ownership of 3Mice changed or is there a conflict of interest?
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So, what was the *purpose* of these menu options 1. http://www.attorney-general.go.ke/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=387 2. http://www.attorney-general.go.ke/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=386 when you worked on the GJLOS project in 2006 or 2007. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
Listers/ Andrea
The Company registry project in question refers to the work the Kenya ICT Board contracted out for the conversion of paper records into digital files. There is another process taking place now to create a system to search and display records. Eventually this will be linked to the website and SMS.
The website existed prior to that and was cotracted out through a 2006 or 2007 tender by GJLOS program. Kenya ICT Board was not involved in the web development project.
Regards Paul Kukubo Kenya ICT Board.
On Friday, May 11, 2012, Andrea Bohnstedt wrote:
This is baffling to me. I'm not a tech person, so it's well possibly that I'm not tech literate enough, but I checked out the website ( http://www.attorney-general.go.ke/data/) and ... umm, does the 'company registry' actually do anything?
Also, has the ownership of 3Mice changed or is there a conflict of interest?
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http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...
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Dorcas/listers I am not on this forum in my capacity as a shareholder in 3mice. In any case this is duly declared. What I will do is give a general perspective about how website development as I have experienced it. we tend to see many website projects where once the original deployment is done, there is no contractual engagement on maintenance. Often times the team approach of the original website agency is lost when the site is left to just one technical maintenance chap within the website owner organization. Too much emphasis on getting the original website well designed, little emphasis on keeping it well maintained. I have now come to appreciate that with the public sector, in particular, the challenge may be with the budgeting process and procurement process. We certainly face the same challenges at the ICT Board with our own website maintainance. Ideally one needs to retain a team who can maintain both design and technology aspects as technology evolves. Some companies do it well other struggle and therefore certain design aspects struggle. Website development has generally been seen as a simple low cost end of the technology business. This is changing as this discussion thread indicates. How is it that Facebook is worth 100Bn USD? Asante Paul Kukubo CEO. On Monday, May 14, 2012, Dorcas Muthoni wrote:
So, what was the *purpose* of these menu options
1. http://www.attorney-general.go.ke/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=387 2. http://www.attorney-general.go.ke/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=386
when you worked on the GJLOS project in 2006 or 2007.
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'pkukubo@ict.go.ke');>
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Listers/ Andrea
The Company registry project in question refers to the work the Kenya ICT Board contracted out for the conversion of paper records into digital files. There is another process taking place now to create a system to search and display records. Eventually this will be linked to the website and SMS.
The website existed prior to that and was cotracted out through a 2006 or 2007 tender by GJLOS program. Kenya ICT Board was not involved in the web development project.
Regards Paul Kukubo Kenya ICT Board.
On Friday, May 11, 2012, Andrea Bohnstedt wrote:
This is baffling to me. I'm not a tech person, so it's well possibly that I'm not tech literate enough, but I checked out the website ( http://www.attorney-general.go.ke/data/) and ... umm, does the 'company registry' actually do anything?
Also, has the ownership of 3Mice changed or is there a conflict of interest?
On 11 May 2012 01:08, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...
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Website development has generally been seen as a simple low cost end of the technology business. This is changing as this discussion thread indicates. How is it that Facebook is worth 100Bn USD?
Methinks it is because it was not made for and by government or a government agency. More importantly, it was made for real people with the knowledge of what real people expect of such a website. Of course, there was some imagination on what the real people would need in the future, and therefore there was anticipation and planning for the changing needs of real people. This made it more responsive to the real people. What we are not seeing from most if not all Government websites is anything made for real people. Real people need to do realtime information searches to make quick and informed decisions. This will make the real people more responsive to other real people so that they can remain relevant and in business. By having dysfunctional systems like these websites, what we end up is a cascade of problems that will lead real people to a lot of frustrations. --James
All I am getting from this exchange is shifting of blame from the contractor (3mice) to the owner of the project (AG's Office) So how much has changed between 2007 till now? Were the menu options working in 2007 when the project was commissioned? So who is going to fix it? 3mice or a fresh 60 million bob tender will be issued to sort this out? On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:15 PM, James Kariuki <jkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Website development has generally been seen as a simple low cost end of the technology business. This is changing as this discussion thread indicates. How is it that Facebook is worth 100Bn USD?
Methinks it is because it was not made for and by government or a government agency. More importantly, it was made for real people with the knowledge of what real people expect of such a website. Of course, there was some imagination on what the real people would need in the future, and therefore there was anticipation and planning for the changing needs of real people. This made it more responsive to the real people. What we are not seeing from most if not all Government websites is anything made for real people. Real people need to do realtime information searches to make quick and informed decisions. This will make the real people more responsive to other real people so that they can remain relevant and in business. By having dysfunctional systems like these websites, what we end up is a cascade of problems that will lead real people to a lot of frustrations.
--James
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Thanks for the clarification, Paul. The online company registry struck me as a particularly useful idea, so I was baffled by the fact that a contract carried out in 2007 yielded such a seemingly useless website. So what I'd like to know - and maybe this is for more people than just Paul to answer since this wasn't all done by the ICT Board, if I understand correctly: If this 'simple website' was contracted out in 2007, was there any awareness that the company registry records would not be available in digital format (since the contract to digitise the content is only being worked on now)? I.e. was a website contracted that would have no content for .... well, for how long? Why is a project structured this way in the first place? When you say that another process is taking place now to search and display content, then this is a complete duplication, no? Any idea when this very-useful-if-it-works website will be up and running? Thanks, Andrea On 12 May 2012 22:31, Paul Kukubo <pkukubo@ict.go.ke> wrote:
Listers/ Andrea
The Company registry project in question refers to the work the Kenya ICT Board contracted out for the conversion of paper records into digital files. There is another process taking place now to create a system to search and display records. Eventually this will be linked to the website and SMS.
The website existed prior to that and was cotracted out through a 2006 or 2007 tender by GJLOS program. Kenya ICT Board was not involved in the web development project.
Regards Paul Kukubo Kenya ICT Board.
On Friday, May 11, 2012, Andrea Bohnstedt wrote:
This is baffling to me. I'm not a tech person, so it's well possibly that I'm not tech literate enough, but I checked out the website ( http://www.attorney-general.go.ke/data/) and ... umm, does the 'company registry' actually do anything?
Also, has the ownership of 3Mice changed or is there a conflict of interest?
On 11 May 2012 01:08, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...
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after alot of noise on my side.... I surrender I think we need a local software certification On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
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Agosta Liko -
Andrea Bohnstedt -
Barrack Otieno -
Dorcas Muthoni -
Grace Githaiga -
James Kariuki -
James Mbugua -
Mark Mwangi -
Moses Muya -
Muchiri Nyaggah -
Paul Kukubo -
S.M. Muraya