Re: [kictanet] A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com>wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would *ever* have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com
wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our
clothes. We
must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not producing more clothing.
-- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic economic that any country can master. India went that way through the leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
*We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment*
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We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group) Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta). The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-) On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'oloo.khisa@googlemail.com');>
wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would *ever* have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'oloo.khisa@googlemail.com');>> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our
clothes. We
must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: producing
cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not producing more clothing.
-- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic economic that any country can master. India went that way through the leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
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That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).
The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would *ever* have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where
one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import
clothes
from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for
cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not producing more clothing.
-- Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io Musings: twitter.com/varud About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com
wrote: > > Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list > countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you > cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our > streets and estates!" > > His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic > economic that any country can master. India went that way through
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: products from producing the
> leadership of Mahatma. > > But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so > ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works > that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive > infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That > capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was > utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, > buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same > argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own > garments. > > We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm > implementing the PKI? > > My cent-less > > On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: > > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
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Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad. There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive. Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy. I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening. [image: Inline images 3][image: Inline images 4][image: Inline images 2][image: Inline images 1] ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).
The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would *ever* have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under
no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where
one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote: > > The first sentence does not lead to the second and third: > > "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes > from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We > must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we > deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce > caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow > our economy." > > Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing > productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, > digitizing land records, etc... > > However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative > Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka > (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for
> cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the
> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) > doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess > at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily). > > Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in > more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an > amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not > producing more clothing. > > -- > Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io > Musings: twitter.com/varud > About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva < Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> > wrote: >> >> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list >> countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you >> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our >> streets and estates!" >> >> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic >> economic that any country can master. India went that way through
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: the sun is products from producing port of the
>> leadership of Mahatma. >> >> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so >> ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works >> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive >> infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That >> capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was >> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, >> buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same >> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own >> garments. >> >> We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm >> implementing the PKI? >> >> My cent-less >> >> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: >> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
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The Thika Highway is a supermess. At Pangani from Ngara, the intersection there is a bit confusing, even the footbridge is a total mess. And places where the footbridge ought to be, there is none. Instead pedestrians cross where they think it's safe.... On 19 November 2013 15:15, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad.
There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive.
Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy.
I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
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On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).
The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would *ever* have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is > no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from > one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be > encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example. > > A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make > stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones > etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export > physical goods. > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote: >> >> The first sentence does not lead to the second and third: >> >> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes >> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We >> must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we >> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce >> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow >> our economy." >> >> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing >> productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, >> digitizing land records, etc... >> >> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative >> Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka >> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing >> cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of >> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) >> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess >> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily). >> >> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in >> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an >> amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not >> producing more clothing. >> >> -- >> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io >> Musings: twitter.com/varud >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva < Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list >>> countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you >>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our >>> streets and estates!" >>> >>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic >>> economic that any country can master. India went that way through the >>> leadership of Mahatma. >>> >>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so >>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works >>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive >>> infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That >>> capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was >>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, >>> buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same >>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own >>> garments. >>> >>> We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm >>> implementing the PKI? >>> >>> My cent-less >>> >>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/oloo.khisa%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death? Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall health http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad.
There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive.
Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy.
I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
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On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).
The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would *ever* have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is > no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from > one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be > encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example. > > A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make > stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones > etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export > physical goods. > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote: >> >> The first sentence does not lead to the second and third: >> >> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes >> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We >> must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we >> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce >> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow >> our economy." >> >> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing >> productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, >> digitizing land records, etc... >> >> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative >> Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka >> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing >> cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of >> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) >> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess >> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily). >> >> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in >> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an >> amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not >> producing more clothing. >> >> -- >> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io >> Musings: twitter.com/varud >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva < Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list >>> countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you >>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our >>> streets and estates!" >>> >>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic >>> economic that any country can master. India went that way through the >>> leadership of Mahatma. >>> >>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so >>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works >>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive >>> infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That >>> capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was >>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, >>> buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same >>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own >>> garments. >>> >>> We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm >>> implementing the PKI? >>> >>> My cent-less >>> >>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/oloo.khisa%40gmail.com > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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For the Chinese guys putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right? Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The contractor would not do that without being allowed by the council, govt or whichever body is incharge. The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will start to change. Till then none of our noise making is making sense to the guy seated in a Govt Mercedes. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death?
Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall health
http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad.
There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive.
Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy.
I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
[image: Inline images 3][image: Inline images 4][image: Inline images 2][image: Inline images 1]
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh
On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).
The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would *ever* have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
> @ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever > we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we > got > during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road > for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I > would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that > they actually did up the game... > > I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under > the sun is > > no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where > products from > > one industry feed another and by products are the base of another > shoulfd be > > encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example. > > > > A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to > build and make > > stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, > Chinese iPhones > > etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and > export > > physical goods. > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> > wrote: > >> > >> The first sentence does not lead to the second and third: > >> > >> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import > clothes > >> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our > clothes. We > >> must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not > work. If we > >> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would > reduce > >> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more > wealth to grow > >> our economy." > >> > >> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing > >> productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building > railroads, > >> digitizing land records, etc... > >> > >> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of > Comparative > >> Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). > Sri Lanka > >> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for > producing > >> cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the > port of > >> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person > economy (Kenya) > >> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person > economy (a guess > >> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to > easily). > >> > >> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to > bring in > >> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around > creating an > >> amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work > - not > >> producing more clothing. > >> > >> -- > >> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io > >> Musings: twitter.com/varud > >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva < > Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list > >>> countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread > "you > >>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage > lining our > >>> streets and estates!" > >>> > >>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is > basic > >>> economic that any country can master. India went that way > through the > >>> leadership of Mahatma. > >>> > >>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so > >>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on > works > >>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive > >>> infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. > That > >>> capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it > was > >>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, > brides, > >>> buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the > same > >>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing > our own > >>> garments. > >>> > >>> We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm > >>> implementing the PKI? > >>> > >>> My cent-less > >>> > >>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo > > > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/oloo.khisa%40gmail.com > > > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder > platform for > > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in > the ICT > > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and > development. > > > > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable > behaviors > > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and > bandwidth, > > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect > privacy, do > > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. > > > > -- > "Service to Mankind is the greatest form of service"... > > > > Oloo Khisa > P.O. Box 24324-00100 > Nairobi > 0721321086/0731849128 > http://ke.linkedin.com/in/olookhisa >
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Did somebody mention SS Mehta? Why this cowboy has never been permanently blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing much when he isn't. He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he has abandoned previous ones unfinished. James On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
For the Chinese guys putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right? Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The contractor would not do that without being allowed by the council, govt or whichever body is incharge.
The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will start to change. Till then none of our noise making is making sense to the guy seated in a Govt Mercedes.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death?
Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall health
http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad.
There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive.
Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy.
I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
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On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).
The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
> @ Mark, I do think that we would *ever* have heard roads done if > ever > > we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we > got > during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road > for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I > would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that > they actually did up the game... > > I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < > oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> @ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever >> we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we >> got >> during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road >> for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I >> would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that >> they actually did up the game... >> >> I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. >> >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under >> the sun is >> > no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where >> products from >> > one industry feed another and by products are the base of another >> shoulfd be >> > encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example. >> > >> > A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to >> build and make >> > stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, >> Chinese iPhones >> > etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and >> export >> > physical goods. >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> The first sentence does not lead to the second and third: >> >> >> >> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import >> clothes >> >> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our >> clothes. We >> >> must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not >> work. If we >> >> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would >> reduce >> >> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more >> wealth to grow >> >> our economy." >> >> >> >> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth >> doing >> >> productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building >> railroads, >> >> digitizing land records, etc... >> >> >> >> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of >> Comparative >> >> Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). >> Sri Lanka >> >> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for >> producing >> >> cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the >> port of >> >> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person >> economy (Kenya) >> >> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person >> economy (a guess >> >> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to >> easily). >> >> >> >> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to >> bring in >> >> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around >> creating an >> >> amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work >> - not >> >> producing more clothing. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io >> >> Musings: twitter.com/varud >> >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva < >> Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list >> >>> countless times before. I remember him saying in another >> thread "you >> >>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage >> lining our >> >>> streets and estates!" >> >>> >> >>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is >> basic >> >>> economic that any country can master. India went that way >> through the >> >>> leadership of Mahatma. >> >>> >> >>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so >> >>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on >> works >> >>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive >> >>> infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. >> That >> >>> capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it >> was >> >>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, >> brides, >> >>> buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the >> same >> >>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing >> our own >> >>> garments. >> >>> >> >>> We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm >> >>> implementing the PKI? >> >>> >> >>> My cent-less >> >>> >> >>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo >> > >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/oloo.khisa%40gmail.com >> > >> > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >> platform for >> > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in >> the ICT >> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >> development. >> > >> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >> behaviors >> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >> bandwidth, >> > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >> privacy, do >> > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> >> >> >> -- >> "Service to Mankind is the greatest form of service"... >> >> >> >> Oloo Khisa >> P.O. Box 24324-00100 >> Nairobi >> 0721321086/0731849128 >> http://ke.linkedin.com/in/olookhisa >> > > > > -- > "Service to Mankind is the greatest form of service"... > > > > > > *Oloo KhisaP.O. Box 24324-00100Nairobi0721321086 > <0721321086>/0731849128 <0731849128>http://ke.linkedin.com/in/olookhisa > <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/olookhisa>* >
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The list is producing good citizen feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into government. Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof. Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly correlated to the performance of state projects should borrow from the list, even if he's a silent listener. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 19 November 2013 13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Did somebody mention SS Mehta?
Why this cowboy has never been permanently blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing much when he isn't.
He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he has abandoned previous ones unfinished.
James
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
For the Chinese guys putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right? Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The contractor would not do that without being allowed by the council, govt or whichever body is incharge.
The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will start to change. Till then none of our noise making is making sense to the guy seated in a Govt Mercedes.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death?
Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall health
http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>wrote:
Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad.
There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive.
Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy.
I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
[image: Inline images 3][image: Inline images 4][image: Inline images 2][image: Inline images 1]
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On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).
The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
> We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led > by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity > but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones > right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years > if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion. > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < > oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> @ Mark, I do think that we would *ever* have heard roads done if >> ever >> >> we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we >> got >> during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road >> for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I >> would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that >> they actually did up the game... >> >> I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa < >> oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> @ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if >>> ever >>> we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we >>> got >>> during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a >>> road >>> for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I >>> would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that >>> they actually did up the game... >>> >>> I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything >>> under the sun is >>> > no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where >>> products from >>> > one industry feed another and by products are the base of >>> another shoulfd be >>> > encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example. >>> > >>> > A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to >>> build and make >>> > stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, >>> Chinese iPhones >>> > etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and >>> export >>> > physical goods. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> The first sentence does not lead to the second and third: >>> >> >>> >> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import >>> clothes >>> >> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our >>> clothes. We >>> >> must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not >>> work. If we >>> >> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would >>> reduce >>> >> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more >>> wealth to grow >>> >> our economy." >>> >> >>> >> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth >>> doing >>> >> productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building >>> railroads, >>> >> digitizing land records, etc... >>> >> >>> >> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of >>> Comparative >>> >> Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). >>> Sri Lanka >>> >> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for >>> producing >>> >> cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the >>> port of >>> >> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person >>> economy (Kenya) >>> >> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person >>> economy (a guess >>> >> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to >>> easily). >>> >> >>> >> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to >>> bring in >>> >> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around >>> creating an >>> >> amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge >>> work - not >>> >> producing more clothing. >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io >>> >> Musings: twitter.com/varud >>> >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva < >>> Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list >>> >>> countless times before. I remember him saying in another >>> thread "you >>> >>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage >>> lining our >>> >>> streets and estates!" >>> >>> >>> >>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is >>> basic >>> >>> economic that any country can master. India went that way >>> through the >>> >>> leadership of Mahatma. >>> >>> >>> >>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served >>> so >>> >>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on >>> works >>> >>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive >>> >>> infrastructure development that took place in the last >>> 10years. That >>> >>> capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if >>> it was >>> >>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, >>> brides, >>> >>> buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the >>> same >>> >>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing >>> our own >>> >>> garments. >>> >>> >>> >>> We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm >>> >>> implementing the PKI? >>> >>> >>> >>> My cent-less >>> >>> >>> >>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo >>> > >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/oloo.khisa%40gmail.com >>> > >>> > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>> platform for >>> > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>> > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in >>> the ICT >>> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and >>> development. >>> > >>> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>> behaviors >>> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>> bandwidth, >>> > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>> privacy, do >>> > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Service to Mankind is the greatest form of service"... >>> >>> >>> >>> Oloo Khisa >>> P.O. Box 24324-00100 >>> Nairobi >>> 0721321086/0731849128 >>> http://ke.linkedin.com/in/olookhisa >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "Service to Mankind is the greatest form of service"... >> >> >> >> >> >> *Oloo KhisaP.O. Box 24324-00100Nairobi0721321086 >> <0721321086>/0731849128 <0731849128>http://ke.linkedin.com/in/olookhisa >> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/olookhisa>* >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mark Mwangi > > markmwangi.me.ke > > > > >
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Hi guy and selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already there if interested get in touch with. Prices are negotiable. Yours truly Kamire Thomas 0722483253 Sent from my iKamire network. On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: The list is producing good citizen feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into government. Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof. Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly correlated to the performance of state projects should borrow from the list, even if he's a silent listener. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 19 November 2013 13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Did somebody mention SS Mehta?
Why this cowboy has never been permanently blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing much when he isn't.
He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he has abandoned previous ones unfinished.
James
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
For the Chinese guys putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right? Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The contractor would not do that without being allowed by the council, govt or whichever body is incharge.
The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will start to change. Till then none of our noise making is making sense to the guy seated in a Govt Mercedes.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death?
Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall health
http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad.
There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive.
Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy.
I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
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On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).
The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote: > We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion. > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote: >> @ Mark, I do think that we would ever have heard roads done if ever >> >> we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got >> during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road >> for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I >> would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that >> they actually did up the game... >> >> I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> @ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever >>> we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got >>> during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road >>> for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I >>> would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that >>> they actually did up the game... >>> >>> I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is >>> > no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from >>> > one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be >>> > encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example. >>> > >>> > A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make >>> > stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones >>> > etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export >>> > physical goods. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> The first sentence does not lead to the second and third: >>> >> >>> >> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes >>> >> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We >>> >> must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we >>> >> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce >>> >> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow >>> >> our economy." >>> >> >>> >> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing >>> >> productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads, >>> >> digitizing land records, etc... >>> >> >>> >> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative >>> >> Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka >>> >> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing >>> >> cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of >>> >> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya) >>> >> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess >>> >> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily). >>> >> >>> >> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in >>> >> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an >>> >> amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not >>> >> producing more clothing. >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io >>> >> Musings: twitter.com/varud >>> >> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list >>> >>> countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you >>> >>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our >>> >>> streets and estates!" >>> >>> >>> >>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic >>> >>> economic that any country can master. India went that way through the >>> >>> leadership of Mahatma. >>> >>> >>> >>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so >>> >>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works >>> >>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive >>> >>> infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That >>> >>> capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was >>> >>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides, >>> >>> buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same >>> >>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own >>> >>> garments. >>> >>> >>> >>> We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm >>> >>> implementing the PKI? >>> >>> >>> >>> My cent-less >>> >>> >>> >>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo >>> > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/oloo.khisa%40gmail.com >>> > >>> > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for >>> > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>> > regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>> > sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>> > >>> > KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>> > online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>> > share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>> > not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Service to Mankind is the greatest form of service"... >>> >>> >>> >>> Oloo Khisa >>> P.O. Box 24324-00100 >>> Nairobi >>> 0721321086/0731849128 >>> http://ke.linkedin.com/in/olookhisa >> >> >> >> >> -- >> "Service to Mankind is the greatest form of service"... >> >> >> >> >> Oloo Khisa >> P.O. Box 24324-00100 >> Nairobi >> 0721321086/0731849128 >> http://ke.linkedin.com/in/olookhisa > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mark Mwangi > > markmwangi.me.ke > > > >
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@Kamire, where is the ICT connection here? unless you mean we can find your plots on OLX :-) walu. jst fear you setting a precedent for everyone else to start selling anything and everything on this ICT platform and then folks will begin to un-subscribe enmasse. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/21/13, Thomas Kamire <tkamire@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: [kictanet] Plots for sale To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM Hi guy and selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already there if interested get in touch with. Prices are negotiable. Yours truly Kamire Thomas 0722483253 Sent from my iKamire network. On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: The list is producing good citizen feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into government. Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof. Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly correlated to the performance of state projects should borrow from the list, even if he's a silent listener. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 19 November 2013 13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: Did somebody mention SS Mehta? Why this cowboy has never been permanently blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing much when he isn't. He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he has abandoned previous ones unfinished. James On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: For the Chinese guys putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right? Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The contractor would not do that without being allowed by the council, govt or whichever body is incharge. The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will start to change. Till then none of our noise making is making sense to the guy seated in a Govt Mercedes. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death? Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall health http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad. There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive. Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy. I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening. <15112013(001).jpg><15112013.jpg><15112013(003).jpg><15112013(002).jpg> ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group) Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta). The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-) On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote: We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote: @ Mark, I do think that we would ever have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game... I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote: @ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game... I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is
no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from
one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be
encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make
stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones
etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export
physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes
from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We
must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we
deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce
caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow
our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing
productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads,
digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative
Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka
(or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing
cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of
Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya)
doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess
at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in
more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an
amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not
producing more clothing.
--
Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io
Musings: twitter.com/varud
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list
countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you
cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our
streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic
economic that any country can master. India went that way through the
leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so
ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works
that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive
infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That
capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was
utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides,
buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same
argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own
garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm
implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/tkamire%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Walu if ur list is on youngpressionals all mail will come ur way. Am an IT so I cannot even send on kictanet so check if u guys have subscribed to the listing. Sent from my iKamire network. On Nov 21, 2013, at 14:27, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Kamire, where is the ICT connection here? unless you mean we can find your plots on OLX :-) walu. jst fear you setting a precedent for everyone else to start selling anything and everything on this ICT platform and then folks will begin to un-subscribe enmasse. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/21/13, Thomas Kamire <tkamire@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: [kictanet] Plots for sale To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM Hi guy and selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already there if interested get in touch with. Prices are negotiable. Yours truly Kamire Thomas 0722483253 Sent from my iKamire network. On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: The list is producing good citizen feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into government. Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof. Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly correlated to the performance of state projects should borrow from the list, even if he's a silent listener. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 19 November 2013 13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: Did somebody mention SS Mehta? Why this cowboy has never been permanently blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing much when he isn't. He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he has abandoned previous ones unfinished. James On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: For the Chinese guys putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right? Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The contractor would not do that without being allowed by the council, govt or whichever body is incharge. The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will start to change. Till then none of our noise making is making sense to the guy seated in a Govt Mercedes. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death? Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall health http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad. There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive. Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy. I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening. <15112013(001).jpg><15112013.jpg><15112013(003).jpg><15112013(002).jpg> ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group) Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta). The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-) On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote: We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote: @ Mark, I do think that we would ever have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game... I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote: @ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game... I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is
no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from
one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be
encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make
stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones
etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export
physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes
from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We
must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we
deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce
caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow
our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing
productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads,
digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative
Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka
(or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing
cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of
Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya)
doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess
at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in
more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an
amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not
producing more clothing.
--
Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io
Musings: twitter.com/varud
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list
countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you
cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our
streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic
economic that any country can master. India went that way through the
leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so
ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works
that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive
infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That
capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was
utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides,
buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same
argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own
garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm
implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/oloo.khisa%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for
people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mwangy%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. -- Regards, Mark Mwangi markmwangi.me.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jgmbugua%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Are u on this listing group. youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com Sent from my iKamire network. On Nov 21, 2013, at 14:27, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote: @Kamire, where is the ICT connection here? unless you mean we can find your plots on OLX :-) walu. jst fear you setting a precedent for everyone else to start selling anything and everything on this ICT platform and then folks will begin to un-subscribe enmasse. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/21/13, Thomas Kamire <tkamire@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: [kictanet] Plots for sale To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM Hi guy and selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already there if interested get in touch with. Prices are negotiable. Yours truly Kamire Thomas 0722483253 Sent from my iKamire network. On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: The list is producing good citizen feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into government. Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof. Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly correlated to the performance of state projects should borrow from the list, even if he's a silent listener. ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 19 November 2013 13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: Did somebody mention SS Mehta? Why this cowboy has never been permanently blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing much when he isn't. He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he has abandoned previous ones unfinished. James On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote: For the Chinese guys putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right? Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The contractor would not do that without being allowed by the council, govt or whichever body is incharge. The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will start to change. Till then none of our noise making is making sense to the guy seated in a Govt Mercedes. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death? Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall health http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad. There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive. Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy. I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening. <15112013(001).jpg><15112013.jpg><15112013(003).jpg><15112013(002).jpg> ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group) Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta). The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-) On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote: We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote: @ Mark, I do think that we would ever have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game... I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote: @ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game... I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above. On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is
no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from
one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be
encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make
stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones
etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export
physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes
from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We
must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we
deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce
caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow
our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing
productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads,
digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative
Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka
(or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing
cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of
Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya)
doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess
at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in
more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an
amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not
producing more clothing.
--
Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: kili.io
Musings: twitter.com/varud
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list
countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you
cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our
streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic
economic that any country can master. India went that way through the
leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so
ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works
that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive
infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That
capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was
utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides,
buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same
argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own
garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm
implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/oloo.khisa%40gmail.com
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for
people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and
regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT
sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors
online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,
share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do
not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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...He could easily find himself kicked out for deliberate abuse of forum. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Kamire,
where is the ICT connection here?
unless you mean we can find your plots on OLX :-)
walu. jst fear you setting a precedent for everyone else to start selling anything and everything on this ICT platform and then folks will begin to un-subscribe enmasse.
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Subject: [kictanet] Plots for sale To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM
Hi guy and selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already there if interested get in touch with. Prices are negotiable. Yours truly Kamire Thomas 0722483253
Sent from my iKamire network. On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
The list is producing good citizen feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into government. Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof. Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly correlated to the performance of state projects should borrow from the list, even if he's a silent listener.
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On 19 November 2013 13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Did somebody mention SS Mehta? Why this cowboy has never been permanently blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing much when he isn't.
He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he has abandoned previous ones unfinished.
James
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
For the Chinese guys putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right? Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The contractor would not do that without being allowed by the council, govt or whichever body is incharge.
The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will start to change. Till then none of our noise making is making sense to the guy seated in a Govt Mercedes.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death?
Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall health
http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad. There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive.
Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy.
I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
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On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).
The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would ever have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I
would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that
they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is
no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from
one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be
encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make
stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones
etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export
physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes
from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We
must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we
deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce
caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow
our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing
productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads,
digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative
Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka
(or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing
cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of
Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya)
doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess
at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in
more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an
amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not
producing more clothing.
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On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list
countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you
cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our
streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic
economic that any country can master. India went that way through the
leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so
ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works
that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive
infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That
capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was
utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides,
buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same
argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own
garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm
implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
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No one has done that I only sent to the youngpressionals list. Sent from my iKamire network. On Nov 21, 2013, at 14:51, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote: ...He could easily find himself kicked out for deliberate abuse of forum. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Kamire,
where is the ICT connection here?
unless you mean we can find your plots on OLX :-)
walu. jst fear you setting a precedent for everyone else to start selling anything and everything on this ICT platform and then folks will begin to un-subscribe enmasse.
-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/21/13, Thomas Kamire <tkamire@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] Plots for sale To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM
Hi guy and selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already there if interested get in touch with. Prices are negotiable. Yours truly Kamire Thomas 0722483253
Sent from my iKamire network. On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
The list is producing good citizen feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into government. Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof. Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly correlated to the performance of state projects should borrow from the list, even if he's a silent listener.
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On 19 November 2013 13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Did somebody mention SS Mehta? Why this cowboy has never been permanently blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing much when he isn't.
He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he has abandoned previous ones unfinished.
James
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
For the Chinese guys putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right? Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The contractor would not do that without being allowed by the council, govt or whichever body is incharge.
The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will start to change. Till then none of our noise making is making sense to the guy seated in a Govt Mercedes.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death?
Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall health
http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad. There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive.
Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy.
I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
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On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).
The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would ever have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I
would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that
they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is
no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from
one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be
encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make
stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones
etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export
physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes
from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We
must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we
deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce
caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow
our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing
productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads,
digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative
Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka
(or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing
cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of
Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya)
doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess
at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in
more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an
amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not
producing more clothing.
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On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list
countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you
cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our
streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic
economic that any country can master. India went that way through the
leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so
ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works
that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive
infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That
capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was
utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides,
buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same
argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own
garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm
implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
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++1; On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Kamire,
where is the ICT connection here?
unless you mean we can find your plots on OLX :-)
walu. jst fear you setting a precedent for everyone else to start selling anything and everything on this ICT platform and then folks will begin to un-subscribe enmasse.
-------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/21/13, Thomas Kamire <tkamire@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: [kictanet] Plots for sale To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thursday, November 21, 2013, 12:21 PM
Hi guy and selling 2 of my many plots at lukenya with title deeds. They are serviced plots with sewage, piped and and power already there if interested get in touch with. Prices are negotiable. Yours truly Kamire Thomas 0722483253
Sent from my iKamire network. On Nov 19, 2013, at 21:16, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
The list is producing good citizen feedback. There should be a way to feed the input into government. Any technocrats in the list? Probably Prof. Wainaina, the DG of Vision 2030, whose KPIs are directly correlated to the performance of state projects should borrow from the list, even if he's a silent listener.
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On 19 November 2013 13:36, James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> wrote:
Did somebody mention SS Mehta? Why this cowboy has never been permanently blacklisted I don't know. What in the hell is he doing on Waiyaki Way? And he doesn't even go past Gitaru yet he is supposed to go all the way to Rironi? He is always coming back over the same sections pretending to be doing much when he isn't.
He is a relic from the Moi days and belongs in the same class with Kirinyaga, Nyoro, Mugoya and all those other cowboy contractors including the equally inept Kudhan Sigh who miraculously keeps getting new contracts after he has abandoned previous ones unfinished.
James
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
For the Chinese guys putting CCTVs on the cycle lane, someone approved it right? Some govt official decided that the design was a waste of space and it was a perfect space to put a post right? The contractor would not do that without being allowed by the council, govt or whichever body is incharge.
The day Uhuru will cycle to work and his ministers get on a matatu headed home then something will start to change. Till then none of our noise making is making sense to the guy seated in a Govt Mercedes.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death?
Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall health
http://www.visitdenmark.co.uk/en-gb/denmark/nature/cycling-denmark
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad. There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive.
Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy.
I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
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On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
That would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stage
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)
Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).
The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:
We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would ever have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I
would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that
they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is
no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from
one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be
encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make
stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones
etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export
physical goods.
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
"We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes
from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We
must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we
deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce
caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow
our economy."
Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing
productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads,
digitizing land records, etc...
However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative
Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka
(or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing
cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of
Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya)
doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess
at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in
more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an
amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not
producing more clothing.
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On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
wrote:
Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list
countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you
cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our
streets and estates!"
His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic
economic that any country can master. India went that way through the
leadership of Mahatma.
But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so
ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works
that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive
infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That
capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was
utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides,
buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same
argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own
garments.
We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm
implementing the PKI?
My cent-less
On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
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