On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
What i find saddening in that in Kenya road users automatically means motorists. Zero consideration for cyclists and pedestrians. For instance if you are walking from town and want to go to Purshottam on foot, how do you do it without cheating death?Compare and contrast Denmark where there is a very strong cycling culture. I see no reason why we can't have the same here, reducing pressure on both infrastructure, the environment and improving overall healthOn Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:Interesting revelations coming through. Nice observation Conrad.There are these very good widen roads that have been build in Nairobi, Thika road, University Way, Ngara ring road, Pangani road, e.t.c. with pedestrian walks and cyclists ways. Just like what we see in developed countries. Very impressive.Interestingly, the Chinese guys installing CCTVs on the highways have seen it fit to fix the CCTV poles in the center of these cyclists and pedestrian walks as shown in these pictures. Total crap they are doing. I wonder if that can be accepted where they come from, or they consider us standard-less and shoddy.I had nowhere to rant but the CCTV is an ICT issue, and the process should be done correctly. I hope somebody somewhere in authority is listening.
On 19 November 2013 09:54, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kivuva%40transworldafrica.comThat would explain the ludicrous design of a single lane that is also a bus stageOn Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
We also have a Kenyan company doing flyovers and bridges for China Wu Yi (Lot 1) as a sub contractor and hired by the Japanese funder to do Yaya - Westlands Link (Motorways Construction Group)Then we also have the Kenyan firms behind Upperhill roads(if there is such a thing) (Mattan contractors) and re-carpeting of Waiyaki Way (SS Mehta).The quality of the works is a matter of why you know and who is funding the project. It is easier to spend taxes :-)
On Tuesday, 19 November 2013, Mark Mwangi wrote:We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion.On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would ever have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I
would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that
they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <oloo.khisa@googlemail.com> wrote:
@ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I
would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that
they actually did up the game...
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is
> no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from
> one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be
> encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.
>
> A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make
> stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones
> etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export
> physical goods.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <adam@varud.com> wrote:
>>
>> The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:
>>
>> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes
>> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We
>> must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we
>> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce
>> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow
>> our economy."
>>
>> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing
>> productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads,
>> digitizing land records, etc...
>>
>> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative
>> Advantage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage). Sri Lanka
>> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing
>> cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of
>> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya)
>> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess
>> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).
>>
>> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in
>> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an
>> amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not
>> producing more clothing.
>>
>> --
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>> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list
>>> countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you
>>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our
>>> streets and estates!"
>>>
>>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic
>>> economic that any country can master. India went that way through the
>>> leadership of Mahatma.
>>>
>>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so
>>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works
>>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive
>>> infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That
>>> capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was
>>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides,
>>> buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same
>>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own
>>> garments.
>>>
>>> We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm
>>> implementing the PKI?
>>>
>>> My cent-less
>>>
>>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo
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