Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world
John Asante sana. Will do. Regards Ali Hussein On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Omo, John <Omo@cck.go.ke> wrote:
Thanks a lot Ndugu Ali. Awaiting from substative comments. Feel free to even drop by and discuss them before. Planned meeting. Apologies to others for X but the foregoing invitation is also extended. Rgds. Omo, j
------------------------------ *From*: Ali Hussein ** *To*: Omo, John *Cc*: Wambua, Christopher; World Conference on International Telecommunications; ** **; info; isoc@orion.my.co.ke ** *Sent*: Tue Sep 25 03:59:04 2012
*Subject*: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world
Apologies for cross-listing
John
Thanks for your candid answer. Indeed we must find time to read the proposals and give our input.
Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Sep 24, 2012, at 11:16 PM, "Omo, John" <Omo@cck.go.ke> wrote:
Ali.
Thanks to you and others who have come through on this subject and uplouded the CCK initiative.
Let me say that there cannot be a clear-cut answer to your querry. One has to carefully study the Proposals and consider the merits behind every of them. In general, however, the philosophy behind the AfCPs gravitate around the 2nd and 3rd Schools/'Synopsis.'
Let's please study the Proposals and offer substantive comments noting to cf with Proposals from the other ITU Regions. Such will assist in conducting a face-to-face national consultative process, enriching the AfCPs and during Treaty negotiations in Dubai.
Omo, john. Chair, Nat. Prep. Com.
------------------------------ *From*: Ali Hussein ** *To*: Wambua, Christopher *Cc*: World Conference on International Telecommunications; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions **; info *Sent*: Mon Sep 24 20:16:24 2012 *Subject*: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world ****
Wambua
That's a good synopsis of the 3 schools of thought. I haven't had a chance of reading our position (Kenya & Africa) so would appreciate if you could tell us in which of these 3 schools do we fall in?
I will definitely find time to read the position. Thanks once again for the work put it on this.
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 24, 2012, at 3:39 PM, "Wambua, Christopher" <Wambua@cck.go.ke> wrote:
Walu****
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It is important to note that all the regions of the world have different positions on the ITRs. There are those who are of the view that the ITRs should remain as they are. Another school of thought argues that a review is necessary but should be minimal, only addressing those provisions that have been overtaken by technological and market developments. The third school argues that review should be extensive as the global telecoms industry has changed enormously since 1988. ****
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The outcome of WCIT-12 will be a product of negotiations/trade-off between these three schools of thought. And that why all regions of the world are developing regional positions so that they can have higher leverage in the negotiations. What Kenya, or Africa for that matter, will take to Dubai will therefore have to be subjected to this process. I believe the ITU shall publish the final ITRs (Final Acts) after the conference. ****
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I hope this is helpful. ****
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Wambua****
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*From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com <jwalu@yahoo.com>] *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2012 3:07 PM *To:* Ali Hussein *Cc:* World Conference on International Telecommunications; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; info *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world****
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Mich/Ali,****
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I must also commend CCK on this process of vigorous engagement with Stakeholders. I think it is either the new broom (read DG) sweeps better syndrome or the new constitution in action - but perhaps a mixture of both factors...****
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walu.****
nb: I do hope eventually they share what they will present at WCIT. They ofcourse are not compelled to take in everything from stakeholders but stakeholders have a right to know what was picked/ignored from their input. **** ------------------------------
*From:* Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* World Conference on International Telecommunications < WCIT-12@cck.go.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; info <info@cck.go.ke> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2012 11:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world****
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Michuki
I would have to agree with you on this.
Ali Hussein****
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:****
Hi Everyone,
I have to say that am impressed with the process that the GoK and CCK has taken on the WCIT-12 debate. IMHO this is a proudly Kenyan moment.
Regards,
Michuki.****
On 9/24/12 7:55 AM, Wambua, Christopher wrote:
TIM and Listers,
The African Common Proposals (which Kenya through CCK has been involved in their development)are available on the CCK website at http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/Public_Consultation.html
CCK is inviting comments on the review to the ITRs to enrich the African Common Proposals (ACPs), and where necessary, to develop national positions ahead of the WCIT-12.
The African region is meeting in Accra, Ghana, this week for third African region preparatory meeting for the World Telecommunications Standardization Assembly and the WCIT-12.
The revised ACPs that will come out the Ghana meeting shall be uploaded on the CCK website to keep the local ICT community and stakeholders fully apprised on what is happening in this space.
CCK is planning to convene a stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12 after the Ghana meeting (and after compiling comments on the African proposals to the review of ITRs) to discuss the final proposals that Kenya shall be taking to WCIT-12 in Dubai.
I hope this sheds light on this matter.
Christopher Wambua Manager/Communications Consumer and Public Affairs Division Communications Commission of Kenya P.O. Box 14448, NAIROBI 00800 KENYA
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Greetings Omo, May i also suggest that to avoid reinventing the wheel we may want to pick the reports of the Kenya IGF 2012 and the East African IGF where the subject was discussed, ATU was also an active participant. There was a good discussion around the same topic. Thank you Best Regards On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
John
Asante sana. Will do.
Regards
Ali Hussein
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Omo, John <Omo@cck.go.ke> wrote:
Thanks a lot Ndugu Ali. Awaiting from substative comments. Feel free to even drop by and discuss them before. Planned meeting. Apologies to others for X but the foregoing invitation is also extended. Rgds. Omo, j
------------------------------ *From*: Ali Hussein ** *To*: Omo, John *Cc*: Wambua, Christopher; World Conference on International Telecommunications; ** **; info; isoc@orion.my.co.ke ** *Sent*: Tue Sep 25 03:59:04 2012
*Subject*: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world
Apologies for cross-listing
John
Thanks for your candid answer. Indeed we must find time to read the proposals and give our input.
Regards
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPhone®
On Sep 24, 2012, at 11:16 PM, "Omo, John" <Omo@cck.go.ke> wrote:
Ali.
Thanks to you and others who have come through on this subject and uplouded the CCK initiative.
Let me say that there cannot be a clear-cut answer to your querry. One has to carefully study the Proposals and consider the merits behind every of them. In general, however, the philosophy behind the AfCPs gravitate around the 2nd and 3rd Schools/'Synopsis.'
Let's please study the Proposals and offer substantive comments noting to cf with Proposals from the other ITU Regions. Such will assist in conducting a face-to-face national consultative process, enriching the AfCPs and during Treaty negotiations in Dubai.
Omo, john. Chair, Nat. Prep. Com.
------------------------------ *From*: Ali Hussein ** *To*: Wambua, Christopher *Cc*: World Conference on International Telecommunications; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions **; info *Sent*: Mon Sep 24 20:16:24 2012 *Subject*: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world ****
Wambua
That's a good synopsis of the 3 schools of thought. I haven't had a chance of reading our position (Kenya & Africa) so would appreciate if you could tell us in which of these 3 schools do we fall in?
I will definitely find time to read the position. Thanks once again for the work put it on this.
Ali Hussein
+254 773/713 601113
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 24, 2012, at 3:39 PM, "Wambua, Christopher" <Wambua@cck.go.ke> wrote:
Walu****
** **
It is important to note that all the regions of the world have different positions on the ITRs. There are those who are of the view that the ITRs should remain as they are. Another school of thought argues that a review is necessary but should be minimal, only addressing those provisions that have been overtaken by technological and market developments. The third school argues that review should be extensive as the global telecoms industry has changed enormously since 1988. ****
** **
The outcome of WCIT-12 will be a product of negotiations/trade-off between these three schools of thought. And that why all regions of the world are developing regional positions so that they can have higher leverage in the negotiations. What Kenya, or Africa for that matter, will take to Dubai will therefore have to be subjected to this process. I believe the ITU shall publish the final ITRs (Final Acts) after the conference. ****
** **
I hope this is helpful. ****
** **
Wambua****
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*From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com <jwalu@yahoo.com>] *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2012 3:07 PM *To:* Ali Hussein *Cc:* World Conference on International Telecommunications; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; info *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world****
** **
Mich/Ali,****
** **
I must also commend CCK on this process of vigorous engagement with Stakeholders. I think it is either the new broom (read DG) sweeps better syndrome or the new constitution in action - but perhaps a mixture of both factors...****
** **
walu.****
nb: I do hope eventually they share what they will present at WCIT. They ofcourse are not compelled to take in everything from stakeholders but stakeholders have a right to know what was picked/ignored from their input. **** ------------------------------
*From:* Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* World Conference on International Telecommunications < WCIT-12@cck.go.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; info <info@cck.go.ke> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2012 11:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world****
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Michuki
I would have to agree with you on this.
Ali Hussein****
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:****
Hi Everyone,
I have to say that am impressed with the process that the GoK and CCK has taken on the WCIT-12 debate. IMHO this is a proudly Kenyan moment.
Regards,
Michuki.****
On 9/24/12 7:55 AM, Wambua, Christopher wrote:
TIM and Listers,
The African Common Proposals (which Kenya through CCK has been involved in their development)are available on the CCK website at http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/Public_Consultation.html
CCK is inviting comments on the review to the ITRs to enrich the African Common Proposals (ACPs), and where necessary, to develop national positions ahead of the WCIT-12.
The African region is meeting in Accra, Ghana, this week for third African region preparatory meeting for the World Telecommunications Standardization Assembly and the WCIT-12.
The revised ACPs that will come out the Ghana meeting shall be uploaded on the CCK website to keep the local ICT community and stakeholders fully apprised on what is happening in this space.
CCK is planning to convene a stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12 after the Ghana meeting (and after compiling comments on the African proposals to the review of ITRs) to discuss the final proposals that Kenya shall be taking to WCIT-12 in Dubai.
I hope this sheds light on this matter.
Christopher Wambua Manager/Communications Consumer and Public Affairs Division Communications Commission of Kenya P.O. Box 14448, NAIROBI 00800 KENYA
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Barrack You make a good point. Day 2 of the EAIGF focused on ITR's consultations. All the presentations including the one of ATU can be found on http://www.eaigf.or.ke/ RgdsGG Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 05:49:24 +0300 From: otieno.barrack@gmail.com Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world CC: info@cck.go.ke; isoc@orion.my.co.ke; WCIT-12@cck.go.ke; kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Greetings Omo, May i also suggest that to avoid reinventing the wheel we may want to pick the reports of the Kenya IGF 2012 and the East African IGF where the subject was discussed, ATU was also an active participant. There was a good discussion around the same topic. Thank you Best Regards On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: John Asante sana. Will do. Regards Ali Hussein On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Omo, John <Omo@cck.go.ke> wrote: Thanks a lot Ndugu Ali. Awaiting from substative comments. Feel free to even drop by and discuss them before. Planned meeting. Apologies to others for X but the foregoing invitation is also extended. Rgds. Omo, j From: Ali Hussein To: Omo, John Cc: Wambua, Christopher; World Conference on International Telecommunications; ; info; isoc@orion.my.co.ke Sent: Tue Sep 25 03:59:04 2012 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world Apologies for cross-listing John Thanks for your candid answer. Indeed we must find time to read the proposals and give our input. Regards Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPhone® On Sep 24, 2012, at 11:16 PM, "Omo, John" <Omo@cck.go.ke> wrote: Ali. Thanks to you and others who have come through on this subject and uplouded the CCK initiative. Let me say that there cannot be a clear-cut answer to your querry. One has to carefully study the Proposals and consider the merits behind every of them. In general, however, the philosophy behind the AfCPs gravitate around the 2nd and 3rd Schools/'Synopsis.' Let's please study the Proposals and offer substantive comments noting to cf with Proposals from the other ITU Regions. Such will assist in conducting a face-to-face national consultative process, enriching the AfCPs and during Treaty negotiations in Dubai. Omo, john. Chair, Nat. Prep. Com. From: Ali Hussein To: Wambua, Christopher Cc: World Conference on International Telecommunications; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions ; info Sent: Mon Sep 24 20:16:24 2012 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world Wambua That's a good synopsis of the 3 schools of thought. I haven't had a chance of reading our position (Kenya & Africa) so would appreciate if you could tell us in which of these 3 schools do we fall in? I will definitely find time to read the position. Thanks once again for the work put it on this. Ali Hussein +254 773/713 601113 Sent from my iPad On Sep 24, 2012, at 3:39 PM, "Wambua, Christopher" <Wambua@cck.go.ke> wrote: Walu It is important to note that all the regions of the world have different positions on the ITRs. There are those who are of the view that the ITRs should remain as they are. Another school of thought argues that a review is necessary but should be minimal, only addressing those provisions that have been overtaken by technological and market developments. The third school argues that review should be extensive as the global telecoms industry has changed enormously since 1988. The outcome of WCIT-12 will be a product of negotiations/trade-off between these three schools of thought. And that why all regions of the world are developing regional positions so that they can have higher leverage in the negotiations. What Kenya, or Africa for that matter, will take to Dubai will therefore have to be subjected to this process. I believe the ITU shall publish the final ITRs (Final Acts) after the conference. I hope this is helpful. Wambua From: Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 3:07 PM To: Ali Hussein Cc: World Conference on International Telecommunications; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; info Subject: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world Mich/Ali, I must also commend CCK on this process of vigorous engagement with Stakeholders. I think it is either the new broom (read DG) sweeps better syndrome or the new constitution in action - but perhaps a mixture of both factors... walu. nb: I do hope eventually they share what they will present at WCIT. They ofcourse are not compelled to take in everything from stakeholders but stakeholders have a right to know what was picked/ignored from their input. From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: World Conference on International Telecommunications <WCIT-12@cck.go.ke>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; info <info@cck.go.ke> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Harm caused by ill-thought out WCIT proposals to developing world Michuki I would have to agree with you on this. Ali Hussein On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote: Hi Everyone, I have to say that am impressed with the process that the GoK and CCK has taken on the WCIT-12 debate. IMHO this is a proudly Kenyan moment. Regards, Michuki. On 9/24/12 7:55 AM, Wambua, Christopher wrote:
TIM and Listers,
The African Common Proposals (which Kenya through CCK has been involved
in their development)are available on the CCK website at
http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/Public_Consultation.html
CCK is inviting comments on the review to the ITRs to enrich the African
Common Proposals (ACPs), and where necessary, to develop national
positions ahead of the WCIT-12.
The African region is meeting in Accra, Ghana, this week for third
African region preparatory meeting for the World Telecommunications
Standardization Assembly and the WCIT-12.
The revised ACPs that will come out the Ghana meeting shall be uploaded
on the CCK website to keep the local ICT community and stakeholders
fully apprised on what is happening in this space.
CCK is planning to convene a stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12 after the
Ghana meeting (and after compiling comments on the African proposals to
the review of ITRs) to discuss the final proposals that Kenya shall be
taking to WCIT-12 in Dubai.
I hope this sheds light on this matter.
Christopher Wambua
Manager/Communications
Consumer and Public Affairs Division
Communications Commission of Kenya
P.O. Box 14448, NAIROBI 00800
KENYA
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