The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10 yr safari and his-tory - day 3
Listers, I first met Michael in early 2005 while researching on backward and forward linkages between Large and Small Enterprises. After several attempts to secure an appointment, Michael agreed that I meet him after hours around 5.30 pm. He seemed busy but nevertheless he accepted that I interview him. We moved to a mall waiting room with his usual impatience written all over his face. I got want I wanted and bid him goodbye. Months later I was to be PS in the Ministry and later Safaricom Board member. Here I got to know Michael better. Many a time he thought of my ideas as wacky and impossible but this was him. Never rushed at decision making. In short I concluded that he is a reflective person and uses that practice to manage a complex situation. It is almost practically impossible to wiggle around Kenyan Politicians and remain relevant in modern world. How Michael managed to stay sane and move Safaricom forward, it requires a whole book-- Reflections of Kenyan Politicians. Reflective practice in management is referred to an active process which involves examination of past experiences and gaining some conclusions that can inform future activities. In my most desperate moment Michael applied this theory to change how things are in Kenya now. As we planned for Teams Cable, Michael hired the services of one prominent caucasian lawyer. In one of the meeting, the Lawyer said that this cable can never be built and only if Safaricom pays for it. He insintuated that we (Kenyans) were not cabable of doing such a huge project. I felt for once to do something I had never done in my life, to punch the guy and knock out his teeth and then resign the following hour but I decided to take a deep breath and said perhaps this would be the end of the project. I called the meeting off and decided to write a strong letter to Michael protesting the unwarranted attack by the lawyer. Michael appologised and later brought the issue of Teams to the Board. Although he too may have not believed that Teams would succeed, he surely reflected on the impact of the investment and decided to invest. On another significant project, Malili now Konza Technology City I asked Michael to put up a Safaricom Towers. He quickly said never . How do you buy just a plain piece of land out of nowhere I dont know how you think. Later he had different views on Malili ..he may have reflected once again.
From my interview to Teams and Malili, it is evident Michael indeed reflects on what he does and possibly we should all emulate that. In the field of reflective practice in Management, one only needs to ask him/herselve the following four simple questions: What should have happened? What actually happened? What were the differences? What did we learn?
I am looking forward to a book from Michael. On my part, I shall at least have a chapter. As a student of Management, I urge Michael to take up a start up and apply the same principals he did on Safaricom. This is what will create new theories of Management. We shall miss you from the Safaricom pinacle and hopefully not from our sector. Ndemo.
Hi Listers
I like the comments that are coming through and the theories behind MJ tenure - Sam for example offer scientific proof that MJ is not the first born in his family a key contributory factor. Do you agree?
Edith points out what the successor to MJ should do. This is our opportunity to shape that transition the successor and the destiny of Safaricom going forward
MJ has been around for 10 yrs and know the ICT terrain well and has largely shaped it . as he hands-over the reins of power and glory , what advice should he tell the successor?
What should MJ tell the successor in your view to maintain the momentum of ICT development ?
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi
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True that. MJ took a struggling mobile phone depart of the then government utility, Kenya Posts and Telcomms and in less than just 5rs, he had turned it into the the largest company (by Revenue) in East and Central Africa. Whereas competition looked at making money at the top of the pyramid (high income earners) he focused on reaching out at the bottom of the pyramid (the so called "Kadogo" economy, and that was so "Kenyan" and resonated perfectly with the community).Indeed this story should be a case study in our local business schools at the Universities (UoN? Strath? MMU? USIU? any takers?) Otherwise, MJ must write his memoirs - and tell us everything, the good, the bad and the ugly. Some of the Ugly was indeed beyond his control (e.g. the so called MOBITELA saga purportedly executed during the dark days of KANU??) but it would be good to one day get the true story out as well...Parliament tried and hit a deadwall ;-) MJ leaves a huge challenge to the incoming CEO. But if he did set the foundation right, the change should be smooth as well. Someone said, the success of a CEO is measured by his legacy - i.e. if Safcom is still tops 10yrs from now, then it will be true that MJ was indeed the ultimate CEO we think he is. Otherwise, he probably wasn't... walu. --- On Wed, 10/13/10, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote: From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10 yr safari and his-tory - day 3 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 3:00 AM Listers, I first met Michael in early 2005 while researching on backward and forward linkages between Large and Small Enterprises. After several attempts to secure an appointment, Michael agreed that I meet him after hours around 5.30 pm. He seemed busy but nevertheless he accepted that I interview him. We moved to a mall waiting room with his usual impatience written all over his face. I got want I wanted and bid him goodbye. Months later I was to be PS in the Ministry and later Safaricom Board member. Here I got to know Michael better. Many a time he thought of my ideas as wacky and impossible but this was him. Never rushed at decision making. In short I concluded that he is a reflective person and uses that practice to manage a complex situation. It is almost practically impossible to wiggle around Kenyan Politicians and remain relevant in modern world. How Michael managed to stay sane and move Safaricom forward, it requires a whole book-- Reflections of Kenyan Politicians. Reflective practice in management is referred to an active process which involves examination of past experiences and gaining some conclusions that can inform future activities. In my most desperate moment Michael applied this theory to change how things are in Kenya now. As we planned for Teams Cable, Michael hired the services of one prominent caucasian lawyer. In one of the meeting, the Lawyer said that this cable can never be built and only if Safaricom pays for it. He insintuated that we (Kenyans) were not cabable of doing such a huge project. I felt for once to do something I had never done in my life, to punch the guy and knock out his teeth and then resign the following hour but I decided to take a deep breath and said perhaps this would be the end of the project. I called the meeting off and decided to write a strong letter to Michael protesting the unwarranted attack by the lawyer. Michael appologised and later brought the issue of Teams to the Board. Although he too may have not believed that Teams would succeed, he surely reflected on the impact of the investment and decided to invest. On another significant project, Malili now Konza Technology City I asked Michael to put up a Safaricom Towers. He quickly said “never…. How do you buy just a plain piece of land out of nowhere…I don’t know how you think”. Later he had different views on Malili ..he may have reflected once again.
From my interview to Teams and Malili, it is evident Michael indeed reflects on what he does and possibly we should all emulate that. In the field of reflective practice in Management, one only needs to ask him/herselve the following four simple questions: • What should have happened? • What actually happened? • What were the differences? • What did we learn?
I am looking forward to a book from Michael. On my part, I shall at least have a chapter. As a student of Management, I urge Michael to take up a start up and apply the same principals he did on Safaricom. This is what will create new theories of Management. We shall miss you from the Safaricom pinacle and hopefully not from our sector. Ndemo.
Hi Listers
I like the comments that are coming through and the theories behind MJ tenure - Sam for example offer scientific proof that MJ is not the first born in his family a key contributory factor. Do you agree?
Edith points out what the successor to MJ should do. This is our opportunity to shape that transition the successor and the destiny of Safaricom going forward
MJ has been around for 10 yrs and know the ICT terrain well and has largely shaped it . as he hands-over the reins of power and glory , what advice should he tell the successor?
What should MJ tell the successor in your view to maintain the momentum of ICT development ?
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi
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Interesting opinions from eminent academics, i totally agree with every bit, the fact that MJ managed to build a company based on what the people (the market) wanted might provide an answer to the success of the company, for some reason, i have been stuck to the better option since the new government came in in 2003, the company has always evolved to meet my needs , i agree MJ should write a book or memoirs detailing his experience i am more interested in learning how he managed to juggle the stakeholder expectations, built a formidable Human resource system (Not to forget that a good number of the staff had come from TKL, i stand to be corrected) and a cash machine, i would be interested in such a book. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
True that. MJ took a struggling mobile phone depart of the then government utility, Kenya Posts and Telcomms and in less than just 5rs, he had turned it into the the largest company (by Revenue) in East and Central Africa. Whereas competition looked at making money at the top of the pyramid (high income earners) he focused on reaching out at the bottom of the pyramid (the so called "Kadogo" economy, and that was so "Kenyan" and resonated perfectly with the community).Indeed this story should be a case study in our local business schools at the Universities (UoN? Strath? MMU? USIU? any takers?)
Otherwise, MJ must write his memoirs - and tell us everything, the good, the bad and the ugly. Some of the Ugly was indeed beyond his control (e.g. the so called MOBITELA saga purportedly executed during the dark days of KANU??) but it would be good to one day get the true story out as well...Parliament tried and hit a deadwall ;-)
MJ leaves a huge challenge to the incoming CEO. But if he did set the foundation right, the change should be smooth as well. Someone said, the success of a CEO is measured by his legacy - i.e. if Safcom is still tops 10yrs from now, then it will be true that MJ was indeed the ultimate CEO we think he is. Otherwise, he probably wasn't...
walu.
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From: bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10 yr safari and his-tory - day 3 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 3:00 AM
Listers, I first met Michael in early 2005 while researching on backward and forward linkages between Large and Small Enterprises. After several attempts to secure an appointment, Michael agreed that I meet him after hours around 5.30 pm. He seemed busy but nevertheless he accepted that I interview him. We moved to a mall waiting room with his usual impatience written all over his face. I got want I wanted and bid him goodbye. Months later I was to be PS in the Ministry and later Safaricom Board member. Here I got to know Michael better. Many a time he thought of my ideas as wacky and impossible but this was him. Never rushed at decision making. In short I concluded that he is a reflective person and uses that practice to manage a complex situation. It is almost practically impossible to wiggle around Kenyan Politicians and remain relevant in modern world. How Michael managed to stay sane and move Safaricom forward, it requires a whole book-- Reflections of Kenyan Politicians.
Reflective practice in management is referred to an active process which involves examination of past experiences and gaining some conclusions that can inform future activities. In my most desperate moment Michael applied this theory to change how things are in Kenya now. As we planned for Teams Cable, Michael hired the services of one prominent caucasian lawyer. In one of the meeting, the Lawyer said that this cable can never be built and only if Safaricom pays for it. He insintuated that we (Kenyans) were not cabable of doing such a huge project.
I felt for once to do something I had never done in my life, to punch the guy and knock out his teeth and then resign the following hour but I decided to take a deep breath and said perhaps this would be the end of the project. I called the meeting off and decided to write a strong letter to Michael protesting the unwarranted attack by the lawyer. Michael appologised and later brought the issue of Teams to the Board. Although he too may have not believed that Teams would succeed, he surely reflected on the impact of the investment and decided to invest.
On another significant project, Malili now Konza Technology City I asked Michael to put up a Safaricom Towers. He quickly said “never…. How do you buy just a plain piece of land out of nowhere…I don’t know how you think”. Later he had different views on Malili ..he may have reflected once again.
From my interview to Teams and Malili, it is evident Michael indeed reflects on what he does and possibly we should all emulate that. In the field of reflective practice in Management, one only needs to ask him/herselve the following four simple questions: • What should have happened? • What actually happened? • What were the differences? • What did we learn?
I am looking forward to a book from Michael. On my part, I shall at least have a chapter. As a student of Management, I urge Michael to take up a start up and apply the same principals he did on Safaricom. This is what will create new theories of Management. We shall miss you from the Safaricom pinacle and hopefully not from our sector.
Ndemo.
Hi Listers
I like the comments that are coming through and the theories behind MJ tenure - Sam for example offer scientific proof that MJ is not the first born in his family a key contributory factor. Do you agree?
Edith points out what the successor to MJ should do. This is our opportunity to shape that transition the successor and the destiny of Safaricom going forward
MJ has been around for 10 yrs and know the ICT terrain well and has largely shaped it . as he hands-over the reins of power and glory , what advice should he tell the successor?
What should MJ tell the successor in your view to maintain the momentum of ICT development ?
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi
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Listers It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view of MJ and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help as here? But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October 31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like ...................... cheers Muriuki Mureithi
Hi listners, To build a strong case for our Case study, i would implore MJ to take over a laggard in the mobile telephony sector and drive it through. It would be interesting to evaluate the performance after a year or so. A smart university must be at MJ's door knocking asking him to accept a teaching job in Strategy and Entreprenuership. I imagine him teach Michael Porter's five forces - Threat of new entrants, Threat of substitute products, competitive rivalry and Bargaining power of suppliers and relating each to Safaricom! Prof Porter is in the same lecture room and nodding his head because it is indeed very real. I also see MJ in an economics class teaching students on the fundamentals of profits. One of which is to enable the company sustain price wars. Regards, sam Listers It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view of MJ and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help as here? But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October 31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like ...................... cheers Muriuki Mureithi
Well said Muriuki, I think the biggest need in Kenya today and Africa as a whole is jobs. One of the challenges of this is managing the very young teams with so much energy and it is clear MJ was able to do this well in Safaricom. Can he now take up a challenge of setting up or taking over a business that can scale to employ over 100,000 full time workers within 5 years. I know you are probably asking what they will be doing. This can be the subject of another forum. He has been able to show he can generate US$ 1billion+ this is a great milestone for Kenya and Africa. Hiring 100,000 Staff in an institution will be another. Wal-Mart for example has a workforce of over 2.2 million (see below). I would propose that we as lister come up with potential businesses we can acquire and get MJ to run and create these number of jobs. Hope this is not too utopian Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT<http://www.dailyfinance.com/quotes/wal-mart-stores-inc/wmt/nys>) will increase its workforce by 36% in the next five years to take advantage of growing international demand. The new hires will take the company's headcount to 3 million, from 2.2 million now, Susan Chambers, executive vice president for human resources, said at a conference in India. See full article from DailyFinance:http://srph.it/cyTEHp Regards Joe Mucheru On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, muriuki mureithi < mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view of MJ and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help as here?
But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October 31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like ......................
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi
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Joe, thinking about what else MJ can do for this nation I honestly believe he can be a very good candidate for the GOVERNOR OF NAIROBI, reason being he is known by all Nairobi-ans, he is trusted by many because more people bank with MJ through Mpesa than they do with banks and if we can agree the governor of Nairobi is not a political seat then MJ would have me vote..can he be asked to seriously consider that proposal. kanja --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote: From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 To: kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 8:07 AM Well said Muriuki, I think the biggest need in Kenya today and Africa as a whole is jobs. One of the challenges of this is managing the very young teams with so much energy and it is clear MJ was able to do this well in Safaricom. Can he now take up a challenge of setting up or taking over a business that can scale to employ over 100,000 full time workers within 5 years. I know you are probably asking what they will be doing. This can be the subject of another forum. He has been able to show he can generate US$ 1billion+ this is a great milestone for Kenya and Africa. Hiring 100,000 Staff in an institution will be another. Wal-Mart for example has a workforce of over 2.2 million (see below). I would propose that we as lister come up with potential businesses we can acquire and get MJ to run and create these number of jobs. Hope this is not too utopian Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT) will increase its workforce by 36% in the next five years to take advantage of growing international demand. The new hires will take the company's headcount to 3 million, from 2.2 million now, Susan Chambers, executive vice president for human resources, said at a conference in India. See full article from DailyFinance:http://srph.it/cyTEHp Regards Joe Mucheru On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote: Listers It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view of MJ and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help as here? But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October 31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like ...................... cheers Muriuki Mureithi _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: mucheru@google.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mucheru%40google.com -- Joe Mũcherũ Regional Lead, Sub-Saharan Africa Google Kenya 7th Floor, Purshottam Place Westlands Road P O Box 66217 - 00800 Westlands Nairobi, KENYA +254 20 360 1701 Office +254 20 360 1100 Fax +254 20 360 1000 Switch Board (Regus) +254 722522135 Mobile http://www.google.com This email may be confidential or privileged. If you received this communication by mistake, please don't forward it to anyone else, please erase all copies and attachments, and please let me know that it went to the wrong person. Thanks. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kanjawaruru%40yahoo.com
Listers, I have kept up with your many interesting observations and comments/compliments etc. Maybe we should now hear from the horse's mouth, is he ready to run another race as suggested by yourselves in this interesting discussion? Regards, Gilda Quoting Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com>:
Joe, thinking about what else MJ can do for this nation I honestly believe he can be a very good candidate for the GOVERNOR OF NAIROBI, reason being he is known by all Nairobi-ans, he is trusted by many because more people bank with MJ through Mpesa than they do with banks and if we can agree the governor of Nairobi is not a political seat then MJ would have me vote..can he be asked to seriously consider that proposal. kanja
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 To: kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 8:07 AM
Well said Muriuki, I think the biggest need in Kenya today and Africa as a whole is jobs. One of the challenges of this is managing the very young teams with so much energy and it is clear MJ was able to do this well in Safaricom. Can he now take up a challenge of setting up or taking over a business that can scale to employ over 100,000 full time workers within 5 years. I know you are probably asking what they will be doing. This can be the subject of another forum. He has been able to show he can generate US$ 1billion+ this is a great milestone for Kenya and Africa. Hiring 100,000 Staff in an institution will be another. Wal-Mart for example has a workforce of over 2.2 million (see below).
I would propose that we as lister come up with potential businesses we can acquire and get MJ to run and create these number of jobs. Hope this is not too utopian
Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT) will increase its workforce by 36% in the next five years to take advantage of growing international demand. The new hires will take the company's headcount to 3 million, from 2.2 million now, Susan Chambers, executive vice president for human resources, said at a conference in India.
See full article from DailyFinance:http://srph.it/cyTEHp
Regards Joe Mucheru
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
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Hi Gilda We have reserved a day for MJ on 9th day So share your thoughts as he prepares his response notes!! cheers Muriuki Mureithi -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of godera@skyweb.co.ke Sent: 14 October 2010 11:13 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Listers, I have kept up with your many interesting observations and comments/compliments etc. Maybe we should now hear from the horse's mouth, is he ready to run another race as suggested by yourselves in this interesting discussion? Regards, Gilda Quoting Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com>:
Joe, thinking about what else MJ can do for this nation I honestly believe he can be a very good candidate for the GOVERNOR OF NAIROBI, reason being he is known by all Nairobi-ans, he is trusted by many because more people bank with MJ through Mpesa than they do with banks and if we can agree the governor of Nairobi is not a political seat then MJ would have me vote..can he be asked to seriously consider that proposal. kanja
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 To: kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 8:07 AM
Well said Muriuki, I think the biggest need in Kenya today and Africa as a whole is jobs. One of the challenges of this is managing the very young teams with so much energy and it is clear MJ was able to do this well in Safaricom. Can he now take up a challenge of setting up or taking over a business that can scale to employ over 100,000 full time workers within 5 years. I know you are probably asking what they will be doing. This can be the subject of another forum. He has been able to show he can generate US$ 1billion+ this is a great milestone for Kenya and Africa. Hiring 100,000 Staff in an institution will be another. Wal-Mart for example has a workforce of over 2.2 million (see below).
I would propose that we as lister come up with potential businesses we can acquire and get MJ to run and create these number of jobs. Hope this is not too utopian
Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT) will increase its workforce by 36% in the next five years to take advantage of growing international demand. The new hires will take the company's headcount to 3 million, from 2.2 million now, Susan Chambers, executive vice president for human resources, said at a conference in India.
See full article from DailyFinance:http://srph.it/cyTEHp
Regards Joe Mucheru
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view    of   MJ  and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help    as here?
Â
Â
But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October  31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover  one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like  ......................
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Â
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Â
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Gilda, On the contrary I do not think MJ should answer at this stage. Research of this nature can take a life of its own and be the beginnings of a great book. I think we should allow Muriuki time to gather views (without input from MJ at this stage), collate them and maybe share with him for feedback...ama? Nyaki ________________________________ From: "godera@skyweb.co.ke" <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 11:12:54 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Listers, I have kept up with your many interesting observations and comments/compliments etc. Maybe we should now hear from the horse's mouth, is he ready to run another race as suggested by yourselves in this interesting discussion? Regards, Gilda Quoting Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com>:
Joe, thinking about what else MJ can do for this nation I honestly believe he can be a very good candidate for the GOVERNOR OF NAIROBI, reason being he is known by all Nairobi-ans, he is trusted by many because more people bank with MJ through Mpesa than they do with banks and if we can agree the governor of Nairobi is not a political seat then MJ would have me vote..can he be asked to seriously consider that proposal. kanja
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 To: kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 8:07 AM
Well said Muriuki, I think the biggest need in Kenya today and Africa as a whole is jobs. One of the challenges of this is managing the very young teams with so much energy and it is clear MJ was able to do this well in Safaricom. Can he now take up a challenge of setting up or taking over a business that can scale to employ over 100,000 full time workers within 5 years. I know you are probably asking what they will be doing. This can be the subject of another forum. He has been able to show he can generate US$ 1billion+ this is a great milestone for Kenya and Africa. Hiring 100,000 Staff in an institution will be another. Wal-Mart for example has a workforce of over 2.2 million (see below).
I would propose that we as lister come up with potential businesses we can acquire and get MJ to run and create these number of jobs. Hope this is not too utopian
Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT) will increase its workforce by 36% in the next five years to take advantage of growing international demand. The new hires will take the company's headcount to 3 million, from 2.2 million now, Susan Chambers, executive vice president for human resources, said at a conference in India.
See full article from DailyFinance:http://srph.it/cyTEHp
Regards Joe Mucheru
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view    of   MJ  and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help    as here?
Â
Â
But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October  31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover  one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like  ......................
Â
Â
cheers
Â
Muriuki Mureithi
Â
Â
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True Nyaki , MJ touched many people in different ways – We each know only a small part of MJ but we all know the impact of his actions over the last 10 yrs. We expect that the discussion can help unravel and give us a 360 degree view and what drives MJ and whether this can be replicated so that we see other corporates entering the market and revitalizing it like MJ did . While this is our view which we are researching – perhaps it could be beneficial for some clarification from MJ at some point towards the tail end of the debate but certainly not now. An early contribution will influence the course of the rich discussion – ama ? cheers Muriuki Mureithi From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Catherine Adeya Sent: 14 October 2010 18:39 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Gilda, On the contrary I do not think MJ should answer at this stage. Research of this nature can take a life of its own and be the beginnings of a great book. I think we should allow Muriuki time to gather views (without input from MJ at this stage), collate them and maybe share with him for feedback...ama? Nyaki _____ From: "godera@skyweb.co.ke" <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 11:12:54 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Listers, I have kept up with your many interesting observations and comments/compliments etc. Maybe we should now hear from the horse's mouth, is he ready to run another race as suggested by yourselves in this interesting discussion? Regards, Gilda Quoting Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com>:
Joe, thinking about what else MJ can do for this nation I honestly believe he can be a very good candidate for the GOVERNOR OF NAIROBI, reason being he is known by all Nairobi-ans, he is trusted by many because more people bank with MJ through Mpesa than they do with banks and if we can agree the governor of Nairobi is not a political seat then MJ would have me vote..can he be asked to seriously consider that proposal. kanja
--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote:
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 To: kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 8:07 AM
Well said Muriuki, I think the biggest need in Kenya today and Africa as a whole is jobs. One of the challenges of this is managing the very young teams with so much energy and it is clear MJ was able to do this well in Safaricom. Can he now take up a challenge of setting up or taking over a business that can scale to employ over 100,000 full time workers within 5 years. I know you are probably asking what they will be doing. This can be the subject of another forum. He has been able to show he can generate US$ 1billion+ this is a great milestone for Kenya and Africa. Hiring 100,000 Staff in an institution will be another. Wal-Mart for example has a workforce of over 2.2 million (see below).
I would propose that we as lister come up with potential businesses we can acquire and get MJ to run and create these number of jobs. Hope this is not too utopian
Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT) will increase its workforce by 36% in the next five years to take advantage of growing international demand. The new hires will take the company's headcount to 3 million, from 2.2 million now, Susan Chambers, executive vice president for human resources, said at a conference in India.
See full article from DailyFinance:http://srph.it/cyTEHp
Regards Joe Mucheru
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view    of   MJ  and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help    as here?
Â
Â
But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October  31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover  one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like  ......................
Â
Â
cheers
Â
Muriuki Mureithi
Â
Â
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Muriuki, My point exactly, if he responds now it would be too soon. He can clarify some stuff at the tail-end.What is the lifespan of this discussion so we know what the tail-end means? Nyaki ________________________________ From: muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 8:24:26 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 True Nyaki , MJ touched many people in different ways – We each know only a small part of MJ but we all know the impact of his actions over the last 10 yrs. We expect that the discussion can help unravel and give us a 360 degree view and what drives MJ and whether this can be replicated so that we see other corporates entering the market and revitalizing it like MJ did . While this is our view which we are researching – perhaps it could be beneficial for some clarification from MJ at some point towards the tail end of the debate but certainly not now. An early contribution will influence the course of the rich discussion – ama ? cheers Muriuki Mureithi From:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Catherine Adeya Sent: 14 October 2010 18:39 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Gilda, On the contrary I do not think MJ should answer at this stage. Research of this nature can take a life of its own and be the beginnings of a great book. I think we should allow Muriuki time to gather views (without input from MJ at this stage), collate them and maybe share with him for feedback...ama? Nyaki ________________________________ From:"godera@skyweb.co.ke" <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 11:12:54 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Listers, I have kept up with your many interesting observations and comments/compliments etc. Maybe we should now hear from the horse's mouth, is he ready to run another race as suggested by yourselves in this interesting discussion? Regards, Gilda Quoting Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com>:
Joe, thinking about what else MJ can do for this nation I honestly believe he can be a very good candidate for the GOVERNOR OF NAIROBI, reason being he is known by all Nairobi-ans, he is trusted by many because more people bank with MJ through Mpesa than they do with banks and if we can agree the governor of Nairobi is not a political seat then MJ would have me vote..can he be asked to seriously consider that proposal. kanja
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From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 To: kanjawaruru@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 8:07 AM
Well said Muriuki, I think the biggest need in Kenya today and Africa as a whole is jobs. One of the challenges of this is managing the very young teams with so much energy and it is clear MJ was able to do this well in Safaricom. Can he now take up a challenge of setting up or taking over a business that can scale to employ over 100,000 full time workers within 5 years. I know you are probably asking what they will be doing. This can be the subject of another forum. He has been able to show he can generate US$ 1billion+ this is a great milestone for Kenya and Africa. Hiring 100,000 Staff in an institution will be another. Wal-Mart for example has a workforce of over 2.2 million (see below).
I would propose that we as lister come up with potential businesses we can acquire and get MJ to run and create these number of jobs. Hope this is not too utopian
Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT) will increase its workforce by 36% in the next five years to take advantage of growing international demand. The new hires will take the company's headcount to 3 million, from 2.2 million now, Susan Chambers, executive vice president for human resources, said at a conference in India.
See full article from DailyFinance:http://srph.it/cyTEHp
Regards Joe Mucheru
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view    of   MJ  and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help    as here?
Â
Â
But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October  31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover  one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like  ......................
Â
Â
cheers
Â
Muriuki Mureithi
Â
Â
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Nyaki, 10days as usual. Maybe MM should adopt the format Day x of 10, on the subject line to remind listers... walu. --- On Fri, 10/15/10, Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 5:25 PM Muriuki, My point exactly, if he responds now it would be too soon. He can clarify some stuff at the tail-end.What is the lifespan of this discussion so we know what the tail-end means? Nyaki From: muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 8:24:26 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 True Nyaki , MJ touched many people in different ways – We each know only a small part of MJ but we all know the impact of his actions over the last 10 yrs. We expect that the discussion can help unravel and give us a 360 degree view and what drives MJ and whether this can be replicated so that we see other corporates entering the market and revitalizing it like MJ did . While this is our view which we are researching – perhaps it could be beneficial for some clarification from MJ at some point towards the tail end of the debate but certainly not now. An early contribution will influence the course of the rich discussion – ama ? cheers Muriuki Mureithi From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Catherine Adeya Sent: 14 October 2010 18:39 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Gilda, On the contrary I do not think MJ should answer at this stage. Research of this nature can take a life of its own and be the beginnings of a great book. I think we should allow Muriuki time to gather views (without input from MJ at this stage), collate them and maybe share with him for feedback...ama? Nyaki From: "godera@skyweb.co.ke" <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 11:12:54 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Listers, I have kept up with your many interesting observations and comments/compliments etc. Maybe we should now hear from the horse's mouth, is he ready to run another race as suggested by yourselves in this interesting discussion? Regards, Gilda Quoting Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com>:
Joe,
thinking about what else MJ can do for this nation I honestly believe he can
be a very good candidate for the GOVERNOR OF NAIROBI, reason being he is
known by all Nairobi-ans, he is trusted by many because more people bank with
MJ through Mpesa than they do with banks and if we can agree the governor of
Nairobi is not a political seat then MJ would have me vote..can he be asked
to seriously consider that proposal.
kanja
--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com> wrote:
From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru@google.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ
10yr safari and his-tory - day 4
To: kanjawaruru@yahoo.com
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 8:07 AM
Well said Muriuki,
I think the biggest need in Kenya today and Africa as a whole is jobs. One of
the challenges of this is managing the very young teams with so much energy
and it is clear MJ was able to do this well in Safaricom. Can he now take up
a challenge of setting up or taking over a business that can scale to employ
over 100,000 full time workers within 5 years. I know you are probably asking
what they will be doing. This can be the subject of another forum. He has
been able to show he can generate US$ 1billion+ this is a great milestone for
Kenya and Africa. Hiring 100,000 Staff in an institution will be
another. Wal-Mart for example has a workforce of over 2.2 million (see
below).
I would propose that we as lister come up with potential businesses we can
acquire and get MJ to run and create these number of jobs. Hope this is not
too utopian
Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT) will increase its workforce by 36% in the next five
years to take advantage of growing international demand. The new hires will
take the company's headcount to 3 million, from 2.2 million now, Susan
Chambers, executive vice president for human resources, said at a conference
in India.
See full article from DailyFinance:http://srph.it/cyTEHp
Regards
Joe Mucheru
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, muriuki mureithi
<mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view
of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view    of   MJ  and
how he
develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also
noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely
slippery
but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through
KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a
student
of politics to help us help    as here?
Â
Â
But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it
to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the
theories
work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from
October
 31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run
for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover  one of the
smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like
 ......................
Â
Â
cheers
Â
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Thanks Nyaki Just to quote the basis of the forum ‘– from 10 hrs today the 10th day of the 10th month of the 10 year of the new century we wish to take just 10 days to reflect on the MJ’s 10 year safari ---- ‘ We started at 10 am on 10th day of 10th month of the 10th year of the new century to reflect on 10 yrs of MJ at safari for only 10 days ---- thus the last day is 20th next week . cheers Muriuki Mureithi From: Catherine Adeya [mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com] Sent: 15 October 2010 16:26 To: muriuki mureithi Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Muriuki, My point exactly, if he responds now it would be too soon. He can clarify some stuff at the tail-end.What is the lifespan of this discussion so we know what the tail-end means? Nyaki _____ From: muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 8:24:26 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 True Nyaki , MJ touched many people in different ways – We each know only a small part of MJ but we all know the impact of his actions over the last 10 yrs. We expect that the discussion can help unravel and give us a 360 degree view and what drives MJ and whether this can be replicated so that we see other corporates entering the market and revitalizing it like MJ did . While this is our view which we are researching – perhaps it could be beneficial for some clarification from MJ at some point towards the tail end of the debate but certainly not now. An early contribution will influence the course of the rich discussion – ama ? cheers Muriuki Mureithi From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Catherine Adeya Sent: 14 October 2010 18:39 To: mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Gilda, On the contrary I do not think MJ should answer at this stage. Research of this nature can take a life of its own and be the beginnings of a great book. I think we should allow Muriuki time to gather views (without input from MJ at this stage), collate them and maybe share with him for feedback...ama? Nyaki _____ From: "godera@skyweb.co.ke" <godera@skyweb.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 11:12:54 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Listers, I have kept up with your many interesting observations and comments/compliments etc. Maybe we should now hear from the horse's mouth, is he ready to run another race as suggested by yourselves in this interesting discussion? Regards, Gilda Quoting Kanja Waruru <kanjawaruru@yahoo.com>:
Joe, thinking about what else MJ can do for this nation I honestly believe he can be a very good candidate for the GOVERNOR OF NAIROBI, reason being he is known by all Nairobi-ans, he is trusted by many because more people bank with MJ through Mpesa than they do with banks and if we can agree the governor of Nairobi is not a political seat then MJ would have me vote..can he be asked to seriously consider that proposal. kanja
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Well said Muriuki, I think the biggest need in Kenya today and Africa as a whole is jobs. One of the challenges of this is managing the very young teams with so much energy and it is clear MJ was able to do this well in Safaricom. Can he now take up a challenge of setting up or taking over a business that can scale to employ over 100,000 full time workers within 5 years. I know you are probably asking what they will be doing. This can be the subject of another forum. He has been able to show he can generate US$ 1billion+ this is a great milestone for Kenya and Africa. Hiring 100,000 Staff in an institution will be another. Wal-Mart for example has a workforce of over 2.2 million (see below).
I would propose that we as lister come up with potential businesses we can acquire and get MJ to run and create these number of jobs. Hope this is not too utopian
Wal-Mart Stores Inc (WMT) will increase its workforce by 36% in the next five years to take advantage of growing international demand. The new hires will take the company's headcount to 3 million, from 2.2 million now, Susan Chambers, executive vice president for human resources, said at a conference in India.
See full article from DailyFinance:http://srph.it/cyTEHp
Regards Joe Mucheru
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Listers
It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view    of   MJ  and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help    as here?
Â
Â
But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October  31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover  one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like  ......................
Â
Â
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Â
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Listers I like the spirit and the balanced issue based discussion which continues with an underlying theme of how MJ acted on prevailing environment or as Gilda posited on day 2 that – ‘he was smart enough to take advantage of the situation during his tenure’ ... to create the results we see We all have one common resource which is an equalisation factor – time . MJ has 24 hrs in a day like you and me ( Kanja suggested that MJ works for 10 hrs!!). Within those 24 hrs I have seen him respond to my emails within 2 hrs. That of course must be one among many other emails he answered, letters he read, calls he answered or originated, people he talked to etc. Of course there must be many people wanting his time - customers, government , suppliers, friends, great upcoming events like Classical music etc. Could the management of this resource be the defining factor? What formula did he use? Can we port the formula to other budding CEOs with similar results? Any lessons for others? In short when you last saw his diary even an old one, how did it look it.......? cheers Muriuki Mureithi
Host of Kenya's version of 'The Apprentice'? What of MJ as a sort of 'Donald Trump' albeit in Kenya's ICT sector. A venture capitalist who budding entrepreneurs with the next big idea can run to hoping to hear 'you're hired'... Victor ________________________________ From: kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+v-gathara=dfid.gov.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of muriuki mureithi Sent: 13 October 2010 16:12 To: Victor Gathara Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yrsafari and his-tory - day 4 Listers It can't be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird's eye view of MJ and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help as here? But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October 31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like ...................... cheers Muriuki Mureithi ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ DFID, the Department for International Development: leading the UK Government's fight against world poverty. Find out more at http://www.dfid.gov.uk.
I have felt uncomfortable, as a consumer, praising Michael Joseph for services already paid for in hundreds of thousands of shillings. The accolades are heartwarming to read but I still feel this praise is best given by the govt (for taxes paid and various investments), staff (for jobs) and suppliers/consultants (for tenders). This is not to show rudeness to a successful CEO but to recognise that the richest company in Kenya may be riding on our backs. Here is an example from my Safaricom internet line. I received an exciting message a while back clearly saying I could receive unlimited service for Kshs 1000 for a month. Today, after happily paying for the service (twice), I get a more nuanced cunning message "unlimited 300MB etc". I have not applied for the cheap SMS because, unlike some listers here, I dont understand the deal. The customer care 100 & 200 no.s are impossible to get through. So...Safaricom gets another shs 7000 (total shs 9000) in a day, from me, to get longer term 5GB internet. Well...I think Mpesa is great and thank M Joseph and crew for that. But beyond that, I think it is we consumers, paying through our teeth, who need to be thanked. regards, Wamuyu --- On Wed, 13/10/10, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote: From: muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010, 14:12 Listers It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view of MJ and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help as here? But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October 31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like ...................... cheers Muriuki Mureithi -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wamuyulearn%40yahoo.co....
In a number of cases we pay for services and get service. For instance i leave in Nairobi work in town and have to travel everyday to work using matatus. I feel quite unsafe since the matatus that i use does not guarantee me that they will reach the destination even though i have paid for the service. Where we consider developed, one would pay more but guaranteed the service and we feel happy about it and talk about it and when we seek visas to those places sometimes we seek the intervention of our Priests, Pastors and Sheiks to pray for us to get a visa. What is the difference between those places and Kenya, simple services are guaranteed. I think the government is you and me since the taxes collected are use to pave roads, build hospitals... and sometimes pay high salaries to some people. When a service does not work, let us address the specific service with the relevant people. How many places do we pay for services that we do not get and do not dare complain? I think as a scholar i can learn and draw inspiration from such people. Anything for free is worth nothing Have a nice day Sam I have felt uncomfortable, as a consumer, praising Michael Joseph for services already paid for in hundreds of thousands of shillings. The accolades are heartwarming to read but I still feel this praise is best given by the govt (for taxes paid and various investments), staff (for jobs) and suppliers/consultants (for tenders). This is not to show rudeness to a successful CEO but to recognise that the richest company in Kenya may be riding on our backs. Here is an example from my Safaricom internet line. I received an exciting message a while back clearly saying I could receive unlimited service for Kshs 1000 for a month. Today, after happily paying for the service (twice), I get a more nuanced cunning message "unlimited 300MB etc". I have not applied for the cheap SMS because, unlike some listers here, I dont understand the deal. The customer care 100 & 200 no.s are impossible to get through. So...Safaricom gets another shs 7000 (total shs 9000) in a day, from me, to get longer term 5GB internet. Well...I think Mpesa is great and thank M Joseph and crew for that. But beyond that, I think it is we consumers, paying through our teeth, who need to be thanked. regards, Wamuyu --- On Wed, 13/10/10, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
From: muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010, 14:12
Listers It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view of MJ and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help as here?
But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October 31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like ......................
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Fellow listers This is getting very close from the heart ------ keep them coming --- Joe Mucheru put out a very interesting hypothesis and most likely a fact that ...’ Safaricom ecosystem has created thousands of millionaires ‘ as MJ created a US$1 Billion + company in 10 yrs ..... One thing one may want to understand from your own experience is whether Safaricom generated new wealth and then redistributed to create the millionaires cited above, or did the system suck resources from bamba 5’s and concentrate to a few? Were there losers in the process? Were the bottom of the pyramid part of the equation or lost out? Think of that guy who was selling airtime in the streets some years ago, did the system develop a channel for upward mobility in the value chain? In other words where is the guy who was selling airtime 10 yrs ago in the streets? If you think so – what should MJ have done to address the situation ...... cheers Muriuki Mureithi
Muriuki, I think MPESA has helped distribute wealth to the bottom of the pyramid. There are thousands of people in the rural remote areas now who are able to receive money from more fortunate relatives etc. simply because the channel to send the money exists and is accessible. Imagine trying to send 300/= to a villager 5 years ago and the bank charges plus transport to the "nearest" town where the bank has a branch, plus bank restricted opening hours,plus queues in the bank, plus possible lodging costs, plus other compexities that would have involved! Economists also say ([1]http://blog.icresource.com/2008/03/01/principles-of-economic- circulation/) that wealth is not just having money, but also how FAST that m oney circulates in the economy. One person having 1000/= in a week is not the same as 7 people handling that same 1000/= through 7 separate transactions in the same week. In this way I think MPESA has revolutionarised the lives of Kenyans beyond doubt, created new wealth, inreased GDP by improving CIRCULATION of money and helped to redistribute wealth, especially to the bottom of the pyramid. A person in the village able to receive money in an easier way from more fortunate realtives is also able to invest, e.g. in agriculture, education, health, etc. at the grassroots. To mis-quote a certain obscure philospher of yore, MPESA is the mother of all killer applications! Kind Waudo On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:09 +0300, "muriuki mureithi" <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote: Fellow listers This is getting very close from the heart ------ keep them coming --- Joe Mucheru put out a very interesting hypothesis and most likely a fact that ...’ Safaricom ecosystem has created thousands of millionaires ‘ as MJ created a US$1 Billion + company in 10 yrs ..... One thing one may want to understand from your own experience is whether Safaricom generated new wealth and then redistributed to create the millionaires cited above, or did the system suck resources from bamba 5’s and concentrate to a few? Were there losers in the process? Were the bottom of the pyramid part of the equation or lost out? Think of that guy who was selling airtime in the streets some years ago, did the system develop a channel for upward mobility in the value chain? In other words where is the guy who was selling airtime 10 yrs ago in the streets? If you think so – what should MJ have done to address the situation ...... cheers Muriuki Mureithi _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: emailsignet@mailcan.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman /options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.com References 1. http://blog.icresource.com/2008/03/01/principles-of-economic-circulation/
Dear all, Muriuki invited me to join the list and contribute to this discussion. I am a PhD researcher from Manchester UK, currently researching the reach of mobile, focusing on mobile entrepreneurs in Nairobi. So I am very happy to be able to follow these interesting discussions on a subject close to my heart. I'm not sure I can add anything specific about the Kenyan context, in which you have far more knowledge than me, but perhaps I can present some insight on some wider debates in mobile, where similar processes are happening around the world. I'd like to expand on Muriuki's previous point, about those employed in the mobile industry. In my view what may be most significant about Safaricom, is that it seems to be one of the first enterprises in Kenya to truly reach the poorest and successfully provide ICT goods. But in the rush to celebrate, we may have forgotten to consider the mobile entrepreneurs who have been crucial to providing this new reach. Here's two quotes about these mobile entrepreneurs from recent research:
From a study of mobile entrepreneurs in India - “A general store began a mobile phone re-charge service, moving to selling handsets, accessories and repair services phasing out the original business.....Similarly, several mobile recharge start-ups graduated to stocking the entire range of mobile re-charge options, handsets, accessories and hardware repair.”
A quote from a Telco employee in Peru - "[Referring to top-up and handset sellers]..those people, even telephone thieves, are working for us, only they don’t know it......They are employees of [the company], they are only lacking the vest; they work for us for free" I really like these quotes as they show the two sides of these forgotten mobile entrepreneurs. They seem to illustrate a fine line between mobile employment being a positive learning process for the information age, and vendors who induce spending and pass the profits upward to their bosses. Is it fine to praise the effective business model of Safaricom and forget about these entrepreneurs? How do we see the role of these often marginal entrepreneurs, is employment the most they can expect? What are there things that Safaricom has done to help those employed in the mobile industry? Best Regards Chris ---- Christopher Foster PhD Candidate, Centre for Development Informatics (CDI) University of Manchester, UK On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
Muriuki, I think MPESA has helped distribute wealth to the bottom of the pyramid. There are thousands of people in the rural remote areas now who are able to receive money from more fortunate relatives etc. simply because the channel to send the money exists and is accessible. Imagine trying to send 300/= to a villager 5 years ago and the bank charges plus transport to the "nearest" town where the bank has a branch, plus bank restricted opening hours,plus queues in the bank, plus possible lodging costs, plus other compexities that would have involved! Economists also say ( http://blog.icresource.com/2008/03/01/principles-of-economic-circulation/) that wealth is not just having money, but also how FAST that m oney circulates in the economy. One person having 1000/= in a week is not the same as 7 people handling that same 1000/= through 7 separate transactions in the same week. In this way I think MPESA has revolutionarised the lives of Kenyans beyond doubt, created new wealth, inreased GDP by improving CIRCULATION of money and helped to redistribute wealth, especially to the bottom of the pyramid. A person in the village able to receive money in an easier way from more fortunate realtives is also able to invest, e.g. in agriculture, education, health, etc. at the grassroots. To mis-quote a certain obscure philospher of yore, MPESA is the mother of all killer applications!
Kind Waudo On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:09 +0300, "muriuki mureithi" < mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Fellow listers
This is getting very close from the heart ------ keep them coming ---
Joe Mucheru put out a very interesting hypothesis and most likely a fact that ...’ Safaricom ecosystem has created thousands of millionaires ‘ as MJ created a US$1 Billion + company in 10 yrs .....
One thing one may want to understand from your own experience is whether Safaricom generated new wealth and then redistributed to create the millionaires cited above, or did the system suck resources from bamba 5’s and concentrate to a few? Were there losers in the process? Were the bottom of the pyramid part of the equation or lost out? Think of that guy who was selling airtime in the streets some years ago, did the system develop a channel for upward mobility in the value chain? In other words where is the guy who was selling airtime 10 yrs ago in the streets?
If you think so – what should MJ have done to address the situation ......
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi
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In an attempt to reduce the digital divide between our rural and urban folks, the Government through funds borrowed from the World Bank (WB) came up with the Digital Village (DV)idea. WB had an implementation framework that did not match the Government's ambition. Impatient with WB framework, GoK approached Telcos to assit with the DV project. Within one month Safaricom had upgraded 500 of its Mpesa agencies into DVs in the process changing the value proposition of DVs. The opportunity created for these entrepreneurs is limitless. From e-learning to e-health rural Kenya may never be the same. I am confident that Safaricom will see value in Rural Kenya and scale up the number of its partners. We may be busy that we have not fully exposed much of what has happened with the growth of mobile telephony but there is need for an economist to explain the Mpesa phenomenon. For a start Mpesa has increased the money supply in the economy thus increasing the liquidity in the banks. Greater liquidity means the supply of money exceeds demand. This is what has impacted on the level of interest rates. Muriuki, perhaps we should try to skew the debate a long something that explains the circumstances we are in and how Michael contributed. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Chris Foster <cgfoster@gmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:50:53 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 5 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
This is a great quote MPESA is the mother of all killer applications! - Waudo Siganga Regards Mwendwa Kivuva ______________________ twitter.com/lordmwesh transworldAfrica.com <http://transworldafrica.com/> | Fluent in computing kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know
Chris, Well said. May I ask, are there any entrepreneurs out there who developed any applications that Safaricom adapted and what is their input in this discussion? It would be nice to hear from them too...... Gilda Quoting Chris Foster <cgfoster@gmail.com>:
Dear all,
Muriuki invited me to join the list and contribute to this discussion. I am a PhD researcher from Manchester UK, currently researching the reach of mobile, focusing on mobile entrepreneurs in Nairobi. So I am very happy to be able to follow these interesting discussions on a subject close to my heart.
I'm not sure I can add anything specific about the Kenyan context, in which you have far more knowledge than me, but perhaps I can present some insight on some wider debates in mobile, where similar processes are happening around the world.
I'd like to expand on Muriuki's previous point, about those employed in the mobile industry. In my view what may be most significant about Safaricom, is that it seems to be one of the first enterprises in Kenya to truly reach the poorest and successfully provide ICT goods. But in the rush to celebrate, we may have forgotten to consider the mobile entrepreneurs who have been crucial to providing this new reach.
Here's two quotes about these mobile entrepreneurs from recent research:
From a study of mobile entrepreneurs in India - A general store began a mobile phone re-charge service, moving to selling handsets, accessories and repair services phasing out the original business.....Similarly, several mobile recharge start-ups graduated to stocking the entire range of mobile re-charge options, handsets, accessories and hardware repair.
A quote from a Telco employee in Peru - "[Referring to top-up and handset sellers]..those people, even telephone thieves, are working for us, only they dont know it......They are employees of [the company], they are only lacking the vest; they work for us for free"
I really like these quotes as they show the two sides of these forgotten mobile entrepreneurs. They seem to illustrate a fine line between mobile employment being a positive learning process for the information age, and vendors who induce spending and pass the profits upward to their bosses.
Is it fine to praise the effective business model of Safaricom and forget about these entrepreneurs? How do we see the role of these often marginal entrepreneurs, is employment the most they can expect? What are there things that Safaricom has done to help those employed in the mobile industry?
Best Regards Chris
---- Christopher Foster PhD Candidate, Centre for Development Informatics (CDI) University of Manchester, UK
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
Muriuki, I think MPESA has helped distribute wealth to the bottom of the pyramid. There are thousands of people in the rural remote areas now who are able to receive money from more fortunate relatives etc. simply because the channel to send the money exists and is accessible. Imagine trying to send 300/= to a villager 5 years ago and the bank charges plus transport to the "nearest" town where the bank has a branch, plus bank restricted opening hours,plus queues in the bank, plus possible lodging costs, plus other compexities that would have involved! Economists also say ( http://blog.icresource.com/2008/03/01/principles-of-economic-circulation/) that wealth is not just having money, but also how FAST that m oney circulates in the economy. One person having 1000/= in a week is not the same as 7 people handling that same 1000/= through 7 separate transactions in the same week. In this way I think MPESA has revolutionarised the lives of Kenyans beyond doubt, created new wealth, inreased GDP by improving CIRCULATION of money and helped to redistribute wealth, especially to the bottom of the pyramid. A person in the village able to receive money in an easier way from more fortunate realtives is also able to invest, e.g. in agriculture, education, health, etc. at the grassroots. To mis-quote a certain obscure philospher of yore, MPESA is the mother of all killer applications!
Kind Waudo On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:09 +0300, "muriuki mureithi" < mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Fellow listers
This is getting very close from the heart ------ keep them coming ---
Joe Mucheru put out a very interesting hypothesis and most likely a fact that ... Safaricom ecosystem has created thousands of millionaires as MJ created a US$1 Billion + company in 10 yrs .....
One thing one may want to understand from your own experience is whether Safaricom generated new wealth and then redistributed to create the millionaires cited above, or did the system suck resources from bamba 5s and concentrate to a few? Were there losers in the process? Were the bottom of the pyramid part of the equation or lost out? Think of that guy who was selling airtime in the streets some years ago, did the system develop a channel for upward mobility in the value chain? In other words where is the guy who was selling airtime 10 yrs ago in the streets?
If you think so what should MJ have done to address the situation ......
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi
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@Gilda, good qtn that reminds me about the software behind MPESA is apparently claimed by both Vodafone (UK) and Kenya. Ofcourse Vodafone owns the copyrights - but was it created in Kenya, by a Kenyan? If MJ will in due course clear the air on this and the MOBITELEA saga, then we shall all be happier... walu. --- On Fri, 10/15/10, godera@skyweb.co.ke <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote: From: godera@skyweb.co.ke <godera@skyweb.co.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 5 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 10:30 AM Chris, Well said. May I ask, are there any entrepreneurs out there who developed any applications that Safaricom adapted and what is their input in this discussion? It would be nice to hear from them too...... Gilda Quoting Chris Foster <cgfoster@gmail.com>:
Dear all,
Muriuki invited me to join the list and contribute to this discussion. I am a PhD researcher from Manchester UK, currently researching the reach of mobile, focusing on mobile entrepreneurs in Nairobi. So I am very happy to be able to follow these interesting discussions on a subject close to my heart.
I'm not sure I can add anything specific about the Kenyan context, in which you have far more knowledge than me, but perhaps I can present some insight on some wider debates in mobile, where similar processes are happening around the world.
I'd like to expand on Muriuki's previous point, about those employed in the mobile industry. In my view what may be most significant about Safaricom, is that it seems to be one of the first enterprises in Kenya to truly reach the poorest and successfully provide ICT goods. But in the rush to celebrate, we may have forgotten to consider the mobile entrepreneurs who have been crucial to providing this new reach.
Here's two quotes about these mobile entrepreneurs from recent research:
From a study of mobile entrepreneurs in India - “A general store began a mobile phone re-charge service, moving to selling handsets, accessories and repair services phasing out the original business.....Similarly, several mobile recharge start-ups graduated to stocking the entire range of mobile re-charge options, handsets, accessories and hardware repair.”
A quote from a Telco employee in Peru - "[Referring to top-up and handset sellers]..those people, even telephone thieves, are working for us, only they don’t know it......They are employees of [the company], they are only lacking the vest; they work for us for free"
I really like these quotes as they show the two sides of these forgotten mobile entrepreneurs. They seem to illustrate a fine line between mobile employment being a positive learning process for the information age, and vendors who induce spending and pass the profits upward to their bosses.
Is it fine to praise the effective business model of Safaricom and forget about these entrepreneurs? How do we see the role of these often marginal entrepreneurs, is employment the most they can expect? What are there things that Safaricom has done to help those employed in the mobile industry?
Best Regards Chris
---- Christopher Foster PhD Candidate, Centre for Development Informatics (CDI) University of Manchester, UK
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
Muriuki, I think MPESA has helped distribute wealth to the bottom of the pyramid. There are thousands of people in the rural remote areas now who are able to receive money from more fortunate relatives etc. simply because the channel to send the money exists and is accessible. Imagine trying to send 300/= to a villager 5 years ago and the bank charges plus transport to the "nearest" town where the bank has a branch, plus bank restricted opening hours,plus queues in the bank, plus possible lodging costs, plus other compexities that would have involved! Economists also say ( http://blog.icresource.com/2008/03/01/principles-of-economic-circulation/) that wealth is not just having money, but also how FAST that m oney circulates in the economy. One person having 1000/= in a week is not the same as 7 people handling that same 1000/= through 7 separate transactions in the same week. In this way I think MPESA has revolutionarised the lives of Kenyans beyond doubt, created new wealth, inreased GDP by improving CIRCULATION of money and helped to redistribute wealth, especially to the bottom of the pyramid. A person in the village able to receive money in an easier way from more fortunate realtives is also able to invest, e.g. in agriculture, education, health, etc. at the grassroots. To mis-quote a certain obscure philospher of yore, MPESA is the mother of all killer applications!
Kind Waudo On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:09 +0300, "muriuki mureithi" < mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Fellow listers
This is getting very close from the heart ------ keep them coming ---
Joe Mucheru put out a very interesting hypothesis and most likely a fact that ...’ Safaricom ecosystem has created thousands of millionaires ‘ as MJ created a US$1 Billion + company in 10 yrs .....
One thing one may want to understand from your own experience is whether Safaricom generated new wealth and then redistributed to create the millionaires cited above, or did the system suck resources from bamba 5’s and concentrate to a few? Were there losers in the process? Were the bottom of the pyramid part of the equation or lost out? Think of that guy who was selling airtime in the streets some years ago, did the system develop a channel for upward mobility in the value chain? In other words where is the guy who was selling airtime 10 yrs ago in the streets?
If you think so – what should MJ have done to address the situation ......
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi
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Will remember MJ mostly for the interview aired by NTV the night before last. The clip NTV aired focused on MJ's exasperation at impunity in Kenya. In that clip there was no MJ talk about Safaricom successes or profits but about how Kenya will remain on the brink of success if we do not deal with impunity as a nation. He said crooks in Kenya are not made to suffer for their corruption and as such impunity just grows in Kenya. In his 10 years in Kenya he has never witnessed anyone prosecuted for grand corruption. (Maybe he was thinking.. "Mobitelea" ) He spoke of how fraudsters within Safaricom have been caught, taken to court for prosecution but walk free without even appearing in court. The world is watching to see if we change our culture of impunity while we wait for the constitution to change Kenya. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Gilda,
good qtn that reminds me about the software behind MPESA is apparently claimed by both Vodafone (UK) and Kenya. Ofcourse Vodafone owns the copyrights - but was it created in Kenya, by a Kenyan? If MJ will in due course clear the air on this and the MOBITELEA saga, then we shall all be happier...
walu.
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From: godera@skyweb.co.ke <godera@skyweb.co.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 5 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 10:30 AM
Chris,
Well said. May I ask, are there any entrepreneurs out there who developed any applications that Safaricom adapted and what is their input in this discussion? It would be nice to hear from them too......
Gilda Quoting Chris Foster <cgfoster@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=cgfoster@gmail.com>
:
Dear all,
Muriuki invited me to join the list and contribute to this discussion. I am a PhD researcher from Manchester UK, currently researching the reach of mobile, focusing on mobile entrepreneurs in Nairobi. So I am very happy to be able to follow these interesting discussions on a subject close to my heart.
I'm not sure I can add anything specific about the Kenyan context, in which you have far more knowledge than me, but perhaps I can present some insight on some wider debates in mobile, where similar processes are happening around the world.
I'd like to expand on Muriuki's previous point, about those employed in the mobile industry. In my view what may be most significant about Safaricom, is that it seems to be one of the first enterprises in Kenya to truly reach the poorest and successfully provide ICT goods. But in the rush to celebrate, we may have forgotten to consider the mobile entrepreneurs who have been crucial to providing this new reach.
Here's two quotes about these mobile entrepreneurs from recent research:
From a study of mobile entrepreneurs in India - “A general store began a mobile phone re-charge service, moving to selling handsets, accessories and repair services phasing out the original business.....Similarly, several mobile recharge start-ups graduated to stocking the entire range of mobile re-charge options, handsets, accessories and hardware repair.”
A quote from a Telco employee in Peru - "[Referring to top-up and handset sellers]..those people, even telephone thieves, are working for us, only they don’t know it......They are employees of [the company], they are only lacking the vest; they work for us for free"
I really like these quotes as they show the two sides of these forgotten mobile entrepreneurs. They seem to illustrate a fine line between mobile employment being a positive learning process for the information age, and vendors who induce spending and pass the profits upward to their bosses.
Is it fine to praise the effective business model of Safaricom and forget about these entrepreneurs? How do we see the role of these often marginal entrepreneurs, is employment the most they can expect? What are there things that Safaricom has done to help those employed in the mobile industry?
Best Regards Chris
---- Christopher Foster PhD Candidate, Centre for Development Informatics (CDI) University of Manchester, UK
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com <http://mc/compose?to=emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Muriuki, I think MPESA has helped distribute wealth to the bottom of the pyramid. There are thousands of people in the rural remote areas now who are able to receive money from more fortunate relatives etc. simply because the channel to send the money exists and is accessible. Imagine trying to send 300/= to a villager 5 years ago and the bank charges plus transport to the "nearest" town where the bank has a branch, plus bank restricted opening hours,plus queues in the bank, plus possible lodging costs, plus other compexities that would have involved! Economists also say (
wealth is not just having money, but also how FAST that m oney circulates in the economy. One person having 1000/= in a week is not the same as 7
handling that same 1000/= through 7 separate transactions in the same week. In this way I think MPESA has revolutionarised the lives of Kenyans beyond doubt, created new wealth, inreased GDP by improving CIRCULATION of money and helped to redistribute wealth, especially to the bottom of the
A person in the village able to receive money in an easier way from more fortunate realtives is also able to invest, e.g. in agriculture, education, health, etc. at the grassroots. To mis-quote a certain obscure
http://blog.icresource.com/2008/03/01/principles-of-economic-circulation/) that people pyramid. philospher
of yore, MPESA is the mother of all killer applications!
Kind Waudo On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:09 +0300, "muriuki mureithi" < mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke>> wrote:
Fellow listers
This is getting very close from the heart ------ keep them coming ---
Joe Mucheru put out a very interesting hypothesis and most likely a fact that ...’ Safaricom ecosystem has created thousands of millionaires ‘
as
MJ created a US$1 Billion + company in 10 yrs .....
One thing one may want to understand from your own experience is whether Safaricom generated new wealth and then redistributed to create the millionaires cited above, or did the system suck resources from bamba 5’s and concentrate to a few? Were there losers in the process? Were the bottom of the pyramid part of the equation or lost out? Think of that guy who was selling airtime in the streets some years ago, did the system develop a channel for upward mobility in the value chain? In other words where is the guy who was selling airtime 10 yrs ago in the streets?
If you think so – what should MJ have done to address the situation ......
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi
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*The clip NTV aired focused on MJ's exasperation at impunity in Kenya. * I also watched this interview and MJ's statement regarding corruption and the greater ill of impunity that allows grand corruption (and other ills) to thrive in Kenya, and that Kenya is always on the brink of greatness but will be at that point unless impunity is dealt with.. Regards, -- Josiah Mugambi 2010/10/15 S.Murigi Muraya <murigi.muraya@gmail.com>
Will remember MJ mostly for the interview aired by NTV the night before last.
The clip NTV aired focused on MJ's exasperation at impunity in Kenya.
In that clip there was no MJ talk about Safaricom successes or profits but about how Kenya will remain on the brink of success if we do not deal with impunity as a nation.
He said crooks in Kenya are not made to suffer for their corruption and as such impunity just grows in Kenya.
In his 10 years in Kenya he has never witnessed anyone prosecuted for grand corruption. (Maybe he was thinking.. "Mobitelea" )
He spoke of how fraudsters within Safaricom have been caught, taken to court for prosecution but walk free without even appearing in court.
The world is watching to see if we change our culture of impunity while we wait for the constitution to change Kenya.
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
@Gilda,
good qtn that reminds me about the software behind MPESA is apparently claimed by both Vodafone (UK) and Kenya. Ofcourse Vodafone owns the copyrights - but was it created in Kenya, by a Kenyan? If MJ will in due course clear the air on this and the MOBITELEA saga, then we shall all be happier...
walu.
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 5 To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 10:30 AM
Chris,
Well said. May I ask, are there any entrepreneurs out there who developed any applications that Safaricom adapted and what is their input in this discussion? It would be nice to hear from them too......
Gilda Quoting Chris Foster <cgfoster@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=cgfoster@gmail.com>
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Dear all,
Muriuki invited me to join the list and contribute to this discussion. I am a PhD researcher from Manchester UK, currently researching the reach of mobile, focusing on mobile entrepreneurs in Nairobi. So I am very happy to be able to follow these interesting discussions on a subject close to my heart.
I'm not sure I can add anything specific about the Kenyan context, in which you have far more knowledge than me, but perhaps I can present some insight on some wider debates in mobile, where similar processes are happening around the world.
I'd like to expand on Muriuki's previous point, about those employed in the mobile industry. In my view what may be most significant about Safaricom, is that it seems to be one of the first enterprises in Kenya to truly reach the poorest and successfully provide ICT goods. But in the rush to celebrate, we may have forgotten to consider the mobile entrepreneurs who have been crucial to providing this new reach.
Here's two quotes about these mobile entrepreneurs from recent research:
From a study of mobile entrepreneurs in India - “A general store began a mobile phone re-charge service, moving to selling handsets, accessories and repair services phasing out the original business.....Similarly, several mobile recharge start-ups graduated to stocking the entire range of mobile re-charge options, handsets, accessories and hardware repair.”
A quote from a Telco employee in Peru - "[Referring to top-up and handset sellers]..those people, even telephone thieves, are working for us, only they don’t know it......They are employees of [the company], they are only lacking the vest; they work for us for free"
I really like these quotes as they show the two sides of these forgotten mobile entrepreneurs. They seem to illustrate a fine line between mobile employment being a positive learning process for the information age, and vendors who induce spending and pass the profits upward to their bosses.
Is it fine to praise the effective business model of Safaricom and forget about these entrepreneurs? How do we see the role of these often marginal entrepreneurs, is employment the most they can expect? What are there things that Safaricom has done to help those employed in the mobile industry?
Best Regards Chris
---- Christopher Foster PhD Candidate, Centre for Development Informatics (CDI) University of Manchester, UK
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com <http://mc/compose?to=emailsignet@mailcan.com> wrote:
Muriuki, I think MPESA has helped distribute wealth to the bottom of the pyramid. There are thousands of people in the rural remote areas now who are able to receive money from more fortunate relatives etc. simply because the channel to send the money exists and is accessible. Imagine trying to send 300/= to a villager 5 years ago and the bank charges plus transport to the "nearest" town where the bank has a branch, plus bank restricted opening hours,plus queues in the bank, plus possible lodging costs, plus other compexities that would have involved! Economists also say (
wealth is not just having money, but also how FAST that m oney circulates in the economy. One person having 1000/= in a week is not the same as 7
handling that same 1000/= through 7 separate transactions in the same week. In this way I think MPESA has revolutionarised the lives of Kenyans beyond doubt, created new wealth, inreased GDP by improving CIRCULATION of money and helped to redistribute wealth, especially to the bottom of the
A person in the village able to receive money in an easier way from more fortunate realtives is also able to invest, e.g. in agriculture, education, health, etc. at the grassroots. To mis-quote a certain obscure
http://blog.icresource.com/2008/03/01/principles-of-economic-circulation/ ) that people pyramid. philospher
of yore, MPESA is the mother of all killer applications!
Kind Waudo On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:09 +0300, "muriuki mureithi" < mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke<http://mc/compose?to=mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke>> wrote:
Fellow listers
This is getting very close from the heart ------ keep them coming ---
Joe Mucheru put out a very interesting hypothesis and most likely a fact that ...’ Safaricom ecosystem has created thousands of millionaires ‘ as MJ created a US$1 Billion + company in 10 yrs .....
One thing one may want to understand from your own experience is whether Safaricom generated new wealth and then redistributed to create the millionaires cited above, or did the system suck resources from bamba 5’s and concentrate to a few? Were there losers in the process? Were the bottom of the pyramid part of the equation or lost out? Think of that guy who was selling airtime in the streets some years ago, did the system develop a channel for upward mobility in the value chain? In other words where is the guy who was selling airtime 10 yrs ago in the streets?
If you think so – what should MJ have done to address the situation ......
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi
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Dear Gilda, I'm not familiar with any applications, but certainly a number of services have been inspired by the way such entrepreneurs act and innovate with their customers. For example, some have noted that the business models of M-Pesa have been influenced by the way that mobile entrepreneurs would previously transfer money more informally through sharing top-up cards. Simu ya Jamii phone services, are also clearly shaped by the ways that phone sharing was being done informally. Similarly, Safaricom's Okoa Jahazi service is clearly inspired by how informal entrepreneurs provide small credit to loyal customers. What seems to make Safaricom standout, is that it tracks the innovations that such mobile entrepreneurs are making, and then manages to turn them into commercial services, and likely this is a crucial part of their differentiation and success. Best Chris On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 9:30 AM, <godera@skyweb.co.ke> wrote:
Chris,
Well said. May I ask, are there any entrepreneurs out there who developed any applications that Safaricom adapted and what is their input in this discussion? It would be nice to hear from them too......
Gilda Quoting Chris Foster <cgfoster@gmail.com>:
Dear all,
Muriuki invited me to join the list and contribute to this discussion. I am a PhD researcher from Manchester UK, currently researching the reach of mobile, focusing on mobile entrepreneurs in Nairobi. So I am very happy to be able to follow these interesting discussions on a subject close to my heart.
I'm not sure I can add anything specific about the Kenyan context, in which you have far more knowledge than me, but perhaps I can present some insight on some wider debates in mobile, where similar processes are happening around the world.
I'd like to expand on Muriuki's previous point, about those employed in the mobile industry. In my view what may be most significant about Safaricom, is that it seems to be one of the first enterprises in Kenya to truly reach the poorest and successfully provide ICT goods. But in the rush to celebrate, we may have forgotten to consider the mobile entrepreneurs who have been crucial to providing this new reach.
Here's two quotes about these mobile entrepreneurs from recent research:
From a study of mobile entrepreneurs in India - “A general store began a mobile phone re-charge service, moving to selling handsets, accessories and repair services phasing out the original business.....Similarly, several mobile recharge start-ups graduated to stocking the entire range of mobile re-charge options, handsets, accessories and hardware repair.”
A quote from a Telco employee in Peru - "[Referring to top-up and handset sellers]..those people, even telephone thieves, are working for us, only they don’t know it......They are employees of [the company], they are only lacking the vest; they work for us for free"
I really like these quotes as they show the two sides of these forgotten mobile entrepreneurs. They seem to illustrate a fine line between mobile employment being a positive learning process for the information age, and vendors who induce spending and pass the profits upward to their bosses.
Is it fine to praise the effective business model of Safaricom and forget about these entrepreneurs? How do we see the role of these often marginal entrepreneurs, is employment the most they can expect? What are there things that Safaricom has done to help those employed in the mobile industry?
Best Regards Chris
---- Christopher Foster PhD Candidate, Centre for Development Informatics (CDI) University of Manchester, UK
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM, waudo siganga <emailsignet@mailcan.com>wrote:
Muriuki, I think MPESA has helped distribute wealth to the bottom of the pyramid. There are thousands of people in the rural remote areas now who are able to receive money from more fortunate relatives etc. simply because the channel to send the money exists and is accessible. Imagine trying to send 300/= to a villager 5 years ago and the bank charges plus transport to the "nearest" town where the bank has a branch, plus bank restricted opening hours,plus queues in the bank, plus possible lodging costs, plus other compexities that would have involved! Economists also say (
wealth is not just having money, but also how FAST that m oney circulates in the economy. One person having 1000/= in a week is not the same as 7
handling that same 1000/= through 7 separate transactions in the same week. In this way I think MPESA has revolutionarised the lives of Kenyans beyond doubt, created new wealth, inreased GDP by improving CIRCULATION of money and helped to redistribute wealth, especially to the bottom of the
A person in the village able to receive money in an easier way from more fortunate realtives is also able to invest, e.g. in agriculture, education, health, etc. at the grassroots. To mis-quote a certain obscure
of yore, MPESA is the mother of all killer applications!
Kind Waudo On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:09 +0300, "muriuki mureithi" < mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
Fellow listers
This is getting very close from the heart ------ keep them coming ---
Joe Mucheru put out a very interesting hypothesis and most likely a fact that ...’ Safaricom ecosystem has created thousands of millionaires ‘ as MJ created a US$1 Billion + company in 10 yrs .....
One thing one may want to understand from your own experience is whether Safaricom generated new wealth and then redistributed to create the millionaires cited above, or did the system suck resources from bamba 5’s and concentrate to a few? Were there losers in the process? Were
http://blog.icresource.com/2008/03/01/principles-of-economic-circulation/) that people pyramid. philospher the
bottom of the pyramid part of the equation or lost out? Think of that guy who was selling airtime in the streets some years ago, did the system develop a channel for upward mobility in the value chain? In other words where is the guy who was selling airtime 10 yrs ago in the streets?
If you think so – what should MJ have done to address the situation ......
cheers
Muriuki Mureithi
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MJ has accomplished a lot in a relatively short time: from generating enormous wealth for Safaricom’s shareholders to creating employment directly and indirectly for hundreds of thousands of Kenyans, Safaricom has left an indelible mark in Kenya’s economy. Sadly I believe that MJ had the resources, political clout, and stamina to do so much more at Safaricom and I rue the missed opportunities. 1. Promoting Kenya’s software developers community. MPESA is definitely Safaricom’s best ever product but it is disappointing that MJ did not ensure that the intellectual property for this product remained in Kenya and contributed to Kenya’s budding developers’ community. I do not know who developed MPESA but I know there existed sufficient technology expertise in Kenya to do it but currently Safaricom must pay license fees to Vodafone to use MPESA and woe unto us the day someone decides to stop paying the license fees. It was also telling that the aborted Safaricom Innovation Forum seemed to perpetuate this thinking, so more MPESA-like ideas would still have been lost to Vodafone. See the disturbing clauses below of the Innovation Forum’s terms and conditions [the forum has since been taken down] “(a) That the submissions and its contents will automatically become the property of Safaricom, without any compensation whatsoever to you; (b) That Safaricom may use or redistribute the submissions and their contents for any purpose and in any way;” 2. Breaking the culture of impunity. As our region’s largest and most respected company, I would have wished that Safaricom used its prominence as a bully pulpit to encourage the changing of business ethics in East Africa for the better. As it is however, Safaricom’s own business ethics were questionable as it stood accused of unethical business practices (remember Riftberry saga) , overcharging its customers (and only giving refunds when challenged) and talking down to its’ customers (peculiar calling habits), agents (ignoring phone calls, agent visits), competitors(Bharti’s pricing strategy is unsustainable and Safaricom has no intention of getting engaged in similar pricing) and partners (Barclays & other banks - Work with us or we take over Kenya's retail banking). MJ had a great opportunity to show how private sector could change the culture of arrogance and impunity that is engraved in the Kenyan psyche, but sadly this never happened. 3. Promoting an open society. As the largest provider of communication and information services, Safaricom was best placed to agitate for freedom of access to public information and privacy of individuals. However it chose to send out SMS at the request of the government during Kenya’s darkest hour instead of remaining neutral and meekly supported the registration of SIM cards which has no backing in law, and no justifiable use apart from privacy invasion by the government/Safaricom. So as we celebrate what has been accomplished in 10 years by MJ, I feel we should also point out to him what more he could have done; and hopefully can do in his next venture for which I wish him the very best. Harry Karanja From: kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Sam Aguyo Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:35 PM To: kairo@softlaw.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 In a number of cases we pay for services and get service. For instance i leave in Nairobi work in town and have to travel everyday to work using matatus. I feel quite unsafe since the matatus that i use does not guarantee me that they will reach the destination even though i have paid for the service. Where we consider developed, one would pay more but guaranteed the service and we feel happy about it and talk about it and when we seek visas to those places sometimes we seek the intervention of our Priests, Pastors and Sheiks to pray for us to get a visa. What is the difference between those places and Kenya, simple services are guaranteed. I think the government is you and me since the taxes collected are use to pave roads, build hospitals... and sometimes pay high salaries to some people. When a service does not work, let us address the specific service with the relevant people. How many places do we pay for services that we do not get and do not dare complain? I think as a scholar i can learn and draw inspiration from such people. Anything for free is worth nothing Have a nice day Sam I have felt uncomfortable, as a consumer, praising Michael Joseph for services already paid for in hundreds of thousands of shillings. The accolades are heartwarming to read but I still feel this praise is best given by the govt (for taxes paid and various investments), staff (for jobs) and suppliers/consultants (for tenders). This is not to show rudeness to a successful CEO but to recognise that the richest company in Kenya may be riding on our backs. Here is an example from my Safaricom internet line. I received an exciting message a while back clearly saying I could receive unlimited service for Kshs 1000 for a month. Today, after happily paying for the service (twice), I get a more nuanced cunning message "unlimited 300MB etc". I have not applied for the cheap SMS because, unlike some listers here, I dont understand the deal. The customer care 100 & 200 no.s are impossible to get through. So...Safaricom gets another shs 7000 (total shs 9000) in a day, from me, to get longer term 5GB internet. Well...I think Mpesa is great and thank M Joseph and crew for that. But beyond that, I think it is we consumers, paying through our teeth, who need to be thanked. regards, Wamuyu --- On Wed, 13/10/10, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote: From: muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010, 14:12 Listers It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view of MJ and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help as here? But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October 31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like ...................... cheers Muriuki Mureithi -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke <http://uk.mc280.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk <http://uk.mc280.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk> Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wamuyulearn%40yahoo.co....
I disagree that the directive on SIM does not have the legal backing. Indeed the law since the days of KPTC obligates the operator to maintain a directory of its subscribers. This is clearly stated in section 23 of the current Communications Act. Further the new constitution has a bill of rights which limits individual rights that contravene rights of the majority. More than 90 percent of subscribers have registered on voluntary basis. You cannot have the rights of a small group of people jeopadise rights of the majority. We shall have legal scholars enterpret this while we revise the law to make clearly mandatory for every subscriber to register. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Karanja" <kairo@softlaw.co.ke> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:58:03 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 5 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange@jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke
Thanks Harry, I dont agree with all your comments but I like your balanced input. I think this MJ history effort helps the company & us more if it provides both acheivements and weaknesses. Feedback that is all about greatness and goodness is sychophantic (like 'Kanu ni mama na baba'). I have a feeling, having received a suprise MJ email once on an issue I commented on here, that he will appreciate some balance. regards, Wamuyu P/S We are peculiar! Which country hogs political news like us, maintains English conservertivism like us, runs like us and forgets quickly to move on to the future...? I think he likes us ... ________________________________ From: Harry Karanja <kairo@softlaw.co.ke> To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Fri, 15 October, 2010 12:58:03 Subject: Re: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 5 MJ has accomplished a lot in a relatively short time: from generating enormous wealth for Safaricom’s shareholders to creating employment directly and indirectly for hundreds of thousands of Kenyans, Safaricom has left an indelible mark in Kenya’s economy. Sadly I believe that MJ had the resources, political clout, and stamina to do so much more at Safaricom and I rue the missed opportunities. 1. Promoting Kenya’s software developers community. MPESA is definitely Safaricom’s best ever product but it is disappointing that MJ did not ensure that the intellectual property for this product remained in Kenya and contributed to Kenya’s budding developers’ community. I do not know who developed MPESA but I know there existed sufficient technology expertise in Kenya to do it but currently Safaricom must pay license fees to Vodafone to use MPESA and woe unto us the day someone decides to stop paying the license fees. It was also telling that the aborted Safaricom Innovation Forum seemed to perpetuate this thinking, so more MPESA-like ideas would still have been lost to Vodafone. See the disturbing clauses below of the Innovation Forum’s terms and conditions [the forum has since been taken down] “(a) That the submissions and its contents will automatically become the property of Safaricom, without any compensation whatsoever to you; (b) That Safaricom may use or redistribute the submissions and their contents for any purpose and in any way;” 2. Breaking the culture of impunity. As our region’s largest and most respected company, I would have wished that Safaricom used its prominence as a bully pulpit to encourage the changing of business ethics in East Africa for the better. As it is however, Safaricom’s own business ethics were questionable as it stood accused of unethical business practices (remember Riftberry saga) , overcharging its customers (and only giving refunds when challenged) and talking down to its’ customers (peculiar calling habits), agents (ignoring phone calls, agent visits), competitors(Bharti’s pricing strategy is unsustainable and Safaricom has no intention of getting engaged in similar pricing) and partners (Barclays & other banks - Work with us or we take over Kenya's retail banking). MJ had a great opportunity to show how private sector could change the culture of arrogance and impunity that is engraved in the Kenyan psyche, but sadly this never happened. 3. Promoting an open society. As the largest provider of communication and information services, Safaricom was best placed to agitate for freedom of access to public information and privacy of individuals. However it chose to send out SMS at the request of the government during Kenya’s darkest hour instead of remaining neutral and meekly supported the registration of SIM cards which has no backing in law, and no justifiable use apart from privacy invasion by the government/Safaricom. So as we celebrate what has been accomplished in 10 years by MJ, I feel we should also point out to him what more he could have done; and hopefully can do in his next venture for which I wish him the very best. Harry Karanja From:kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kairo=softlaw.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Sam Aguyo Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:35 PM To: kairo@softlaw.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 In a number of cases we pay for services and get service. For instance i leave in Nairobi work in town and have to travel everyday to work using matatus. I feel quite unsafe since the matatus that i use does not guarantee me that they will reach the destination even though i have paid for the service. Where we consider developed, one would pay more but guaranteed the service and we feel happy about it and talk about it and when we seek visas to those places sometimes we seek the intervention of our Priests, Pastors and Sheiks to pray for us to get a visa. What is the difference between those places and Kenya, simple services are guaranteed. I think the government is you and me since the taxes collected are use to pave roads, build hospitals... and sometimes pay high salaries to some people. When a service does not work, let us address the specific service with the relevant people. How many places do we pay for services that we do not get and do not dare complain? I think as a scholar i can learn and draw inspiration from such people. Anything for free is worth nothing Have a nice day Sam I have felt uncomfortable, as a consumer, praising Michael Joseph for services already paid for in hundreds of thousands of shillings. The accolades are heartwarming to read but I still feel this praise is best given by the govt (for taxes paid and various investments), staff (for jobs) and suppliers/consultants (for tenders). This is not to show rudeness to a successful CEO but to recognise that the richest company in Kenya may be riding on our backs. Here is an example from my Safaricom internet line. I received an exciting message a while back clearly saying I could receive unlimited service for Kshs 1000 for a month. Today, after happily paying for the service (twice), I get a more nuanced cunning message "unlimited 300MB etc". I have not applied for the cheap SMS because, unlike some listers here, I dont understand the deal. The customer care 100 & 200 no.s are impossible to get through. So...Safaricom gets another shs 7000 (total shs 9000) in a day, from me, to get longer term 5GB internet. Well...I think Mpesa is great and thank M Joseph and crew for that. But beyond that, I think it is we consumers, paying through our teeth, who need to be thanked. regards, Wamuyu --- On Wed, 13/10/10, muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> wrote:
From: muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 To: wamuyulearn@yahoo.co.uk Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010, 14:12 Listers It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view of MJ and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help as here?
But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October 31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like ......................
cheers Muriuki Mureithi -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
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Muriuki, Write Books = YES Lecture = Part-time or inaugural lectures Start a start-up company = PERHAPS (but not run it himself) Take over a small operator = NO Preach = Hmmmmm...... Go into Politics = NO! NO! NO! NO! Promote Classical Music in Kenya = YES! YES! YES! YES! Best, Nyaki ________________________________ From: muriuki mureithi <mureithi@summitstrategies.co.ke> To: elizaslider@yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 4:12:07 PM Subject: [kictanet] The big Kwaheri: reflecting on 10 years on the MJ 10yr safari and his-tory - day 4 Listers It can’t be more exciting . we set out to get a 360 degree view of MJ and now Dr Ndemo has given as a bird’s eye view of MJ and how he develops and executes strategy for Safaricom machine at the board. It is also noteworthy as Dr Ndemo mentions that the political terrain is extremely slippery but one must wiggle through to remain relevant . How MJ has done it through KANU , NARC and now PNU/ODM is a mystery we need to unravel. Is there a student of politics to help us help as here? But what should MJ do after hanging the boots at Safaricom is it to write books, lecture, start a start-up company to test whether the theories work in a different setting etc .... what do you recommend MJ should do from October 31st ? should he stay in or out of ICT sector , go politics ( run for president as suggested by Charles) , preach, or takeover one of the smaller operators and build it to be a mega company like ...................... cheers Muriuki Mureithi
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Victor Gathara -
Walubengo J -
Wamuyu Gatheru -
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